NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - #FORTNITE

Episode Date: May 25, 2018

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Oh, my goodness. It's Steve Weish. What's up, boys and girls? I'm going to say, oh, my goodness, I got invited back. You're back. That's a sign. Back by popular demand. I came into the office today. I told someone that Weish was on the show, and they were like, oh, he killed it the first time. You've got to have Weish back. That's a true story.

An executive said that. If you're listening and you've only been on the show once and you weren't asked back, I wouldn't read into it, but maybe read into it a little bit because sometimes you do get that one shot and if you don't hit, you don't make it back.

But Steve, I mean, did we ever doubt that Weish would come in and hit bombs? No, yeah. That was like when I went on good morning football, I think, in the first couple of weeks. That was it. That was it? One and done?

One and done. It was like three in the morning. Three between the lines there. Even pepper mill came back. back spice rack for milk uh Connie what's up back for another hey I'm back look at this twice in one week you guys are lucky read between the lines hey read between the lines episode what else is it today uh Erica behind the glass it is the hugest show of the entire year oh my god whoa it is hashtag fortnight oh it's the fortnight special we're gonna get into it oh yeah

fortnight baby well we had some I'm weak in the knees right now we did some testing you know the NFL's got a lot of money to just throw around they're like get a little younger get a little more on trend a little more hip and we thought that's a good idea what are the kids into what are the kids into what are the millennials into Steve you have three sons that all love it right yes he do and this is the episode where we really dig in on fortnight so this is our fortnight special we're going to save it for the very end of the show that okay don't skip ahead promises you won't but I know it's such a popular game that you might want to be or you're tempted to don't do it got to do the news first got to do the news first and there's a lot to get to today we are going to you know continue to dig in on the national anthem controversy that the NFL is caught up in also an update on a former first round pick for the san francisco 49ers a little qB talk rookie QB talk and then oh yeah trust it's an important thing we have it in this room so yeah even though it's just your second show we're all brothers and sisters basically here already oh no i know

if i if i jumped out of a window someone would throw me the sheet with a knots in it to climb back oh yeah no question like kim dche if you pull the kemdche that's right i would jump out to save you here's a great kemdice story real quick oh my son played against him in high school and held his own wow wow he went to grace in high school my son went to archer high school really there in guineette County Jordan as he played against Robert Camdice and he did a good job. Since a couple of years older, Camdice wasn't quite the man he was by the time he graduated. But Bruce Wech held his own against Robert. Okay, Bruce.

Was Camdice a singer back then? Because he ended up developing kind of like a big vocal. We do. All right. Kim Dice. I was going to do a live performance. I just grabbed him like a thought. But this is better.

Well produced. Yeah. Kim Dice. Now your draft stock is falling. to Kim B. J. Kim B.J. Why did you crash out that window? Kim Biche. This is your last chance to prove yourself. Don't fall once more. I can't believe we dusted that off today. It's like the rock opera. I'm forgetting Sarah Marshall. It's been a few years, but it holds up. This second visit is definitely a keeper. Yeah. It's probably the favorite thing I've ever done in my career.

to it again with a little bit of distance um all right so so much to get to we're going to do uh oh yeah that's what i was talking about trust who do you still trust as we uh look back on 2017 and spin forward into 2018 so we'll go around the horn and talk about that uh but before we get to that and of course before we get to fortnight let us do some news hey this is mark susser reporting from the streets of los angeles uh where i am currently engaged on a lengthy staycation and here's what i have achieved this week literally nothing listen to his voice by the way sounds like a wild man in rare

form did timposi get that or was that pulled off of something yeah I texted him special and I said good work you got to send me something you know what Mark's staycation his latest staycation I don't know if you know this Steve Mark takes a week where he disappears within Los Angeles from his family

from his friends from everyone and you'll get an occasional more than occasional text dispatches maybe an Instagram photo or a tweet castigating the entire social media industry. This has been a particularly interesting Mark Sessler's staycation. And you could hear it in his voice that he's been on an adventure. It's been wild for him. We've got some wild reports.

It feels like a mixture of like a crime noir detective and Hunter S. Thompson. He's out with Frank Signetti. Yes, he is. Frank Signetti, private eye. You think he's staying at the Econology right down the street, which he's out of been known to do as well. Yeah, he's been known. Wait, what?

Right down the street. He does seem to have that kind of 48 hours, Forensic Files Hotel vibe about it. Yes, he does. Wait, you're serious? He stays at the Ocano Lodge? He's been known to do it, across from the cozy. Oh, my God.

Oh, gee. I was talking. There's the lure. I was talking to Henry about it today, handsome Hank. Usually, if you're staying at the Econa Lodge, you either have a falling out with your wife, and it's sad, unfortunate,

or you're in some type of, you know, Trist. Trist. Trist. All right. I like to say trice. Me and Mrs. Jones. Got a thing going on.

But Mark is unique in so many ways. Mark's just there. He's at the Econolodge. Probably. Sometimes he just goes. Sometimes it just goes. The one in Hollywood. Sometimes Hollywood, but sometimes right across.

He's got an expansive list. All right. He's like the norm of a Connollage. He walks in. Mark! That's so sad. we'll start yes where you have to start right now the biggest story in the NFL this week changes approved by team owners at the spring league meeting players who don't want to stand

during the anthem will be allowed to stay off the field the clubs have the power to set their own policies to ensure that the anthem is being respected so you could stay in the locker room but if you're on the field you have to kneel or else which has led to a lot of consternation and controversy and may not be surprised but donald Trump the president of the United States had something to say about this. He said the NFL, quote, did the right thing by implementing this new policy. And here's more from Trump. I think that's good, he said on Fox News.

I don't think people should be staying in locker rooms, but I still think it's good. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem, or you shouldn't be playing. You shouldn't be there. Maybe you shouldn't be in the country. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem and the NFL owners did the right thing, if that's what they've done. Steve Weiss, you were at the spring meetings when all of this went down

your thoughts on the situation. Well, look, it's just so funny because in speaking, and this is speaking to people in the league office and some owners, the one thing that kind of almost drove this while the owners felt they had to do something is they wanted to keep the NFL out of the Donald Trump's Trumposphere.

And what several people told me is that leading up to the midterm elections, because this is going to be a contested election statewide, nationwide, is they did not want the Trump base to be talking about what those players and what those owners and the NFL were doing during the lead up to the midterms, which is basically the start of the NFL season. And we saw what happened when Donald Trump called those players,

SOBs for not standing for the national anthem, it chinned up the base. And he did not, again, want that, the owners, I should say, did not want that again to be the kind of the spark having the NFL's name out there, which is crazy because you can do anything. You can placate him as much as he want. And if he needs something to divert or to get things going, he can drop your name in there. So it's just funny how the next day he came out and said on Fox Infraints, the NFL did the right thing.

Now, as much, I'll say this, as much as we've seen blowback from players, some, you know, Steve Kerr in the NBA, the Golden State Warriors, the NFL, expected this and expected it it's may so they're figuring by the time the season starts this will die down we'll be talking about will baker mayfield take over tyrod taylor you know you heard jerry jones come out and say hey maybe we can start talking about football and football only um but we'll we'll see we'll see how all of this and it's all going to come down to because now they're giving these clubs states rights 32 teams get to make their own rules on what they call workplace rules it's going to affect us guys believe it or not i mean all of this if

affects, anybody who's involved with the NFL. So, you know, it looks like Jed York and Chris Johnson, they might not do anything. They might just say, okay, if a player kneels, we'll pay the fine. We heard Chris Johnson say that. Jed York told me, hey, look, if I, if the club gets fined, you know, if a player does something, maybe I can say, okay, that money you're going to find me? How about if I just give this to the player's coalition cause instead of going the NFL's charities?

So there's a lot of things that have to be done, but the most important part of this is these owners, they better get these meeting rooms of players because the trust that had been built over the past few months, I mean, a lot of owners, Robert Kraft, Jeffrey Lurie, Jimmy Haslam, they have been with their players in the communities, going to prisons, doing a lot of things to help social justice reform. A lot of that trust now has been broken because the players, some players, not all players, some players felt that they were kind of hoodwinked by this. So we'll see how the reaction is, but the biggest thing we're talking about the player reaction,

the owners listen to the fan and sponsor reaction by doing something. And those are the voices clearly that matter the most of them by making this decision. So, again, there's a lot of time to see how this plays out. But the league expected this blowback. They'd rather have it in May that, again, like I said, at the start of the season. But don't you think it'll be just reset when the first preseason, the first week of preseason games, the first week in the regular season, everybody's going to be watching? I don't think it's going to happen in the preseason.

There's too many guys, you know, who need to make the team, you know, and starters don't play. Most starters don't dress. So I don't think you're going to see much in the priest. It would be week one, you know, if something happens. All eyes are going to be on that. Week one, though. When I really not sure that it would have been as much. It wasn't by week 15, 16, 17 last year.

There was only a few different players demonstrating. Everyone just kind of accepted that this is part of it. So if the intent, and we, you know, we mentioned it last time, was to make it. less political. I just kind of can't imagine it not being a topic with the midterm elections. And I think that's partly because football is one of the only things that brings the country together. Even if everyone disagrees, there's a reason why it's been a popular issue, I think, for Trump and in general, is because it's something that gets people going. It gets a reaction, a response from both sides.

There's two sides to every story, and Doug Baldwin and his media availability this week called Donald Trump an idiot after Trump's comments on Fox. Brandon Marshall used the word disgusting to describe Trump's remarks, saying it's an abuse of First Amendment rights on the other side of a Drew Brees, who's made himself clear during this entire saga involving the anthem. but he was on the Dan Patrick show. And he said, I think, that the national anthem is a way to unify everyone, I think, by some people kneeling and some people standing and all that. I think it's very divisive for our country. So there are two sides of the story, but there is a very vocal contingent that is upset about what the situation is right now. And it's going to continue to be that way.

And it's hard for me to imagine, Wes, that come week one, like we're saying, that this won't be the biggest story in the NFL. Yeah, I can't imagine, like Greg said, that it would have been near as many eyeballs if they just left it alone and didn't do anything. I'm sort of thrown off by the whole issue that it's become so absurd. I just don't understand. Like, if you, it wanted to, I can't even say what I want to say. Like, if you wanted to make it all about football, why do you have flyovers?

Yeah. Right. And there's just so many, I think it opens up a lot of questions. because Chris Johnson, you know, the Jets chairman right now who's running the team, whose brother is a political ambassador for the United States. Works for the president, said that he would pay any fines that any players incurred because he previously had said he doesn't think anything needs to be changed. So he made it clear he doesn't really agree with this.

Jed York, you know, the 49ers owner at least entertained the idea that maybe he would hold off on concession sales. during the anthem because there's kind of a disconnect of well if we really you know respect the anthem in quotes that much why are we selling beer during it and actually that that is a policy that some teams like in baseball they don't sell during how is that even a controversial statement i don't mean that's common sense right everyone is supposed to respect the anthem then the rules should apply to everyone right but we've obviously all been at sporting events i've been at urinals during the anthem that's just that's just the reality is that everyone you're also a

communist but that should be stated guys we've been in stadiums a kickoff you tell me one stadium maybe pittsburgh maybe greenby where it's filled to capacity during the playing of the national anthem the majority of the time this happens the stadium is half full television cameras do not televise the playing of the national anthem except for the super bowl and except week three last year right after trump dropped the sobby bomb about nfo players and everyone got to got bent out of shape, and everyone gave this false, hey, we're going to be united, which was, to me, a bad reaction by players, owners, and everything because they got butt hurt because the president's interjected them into this.

So the fact, here's the thing, so many owners went into this. I would probably say a third of the owners went into this saying, we don't need to do anything. The narrative we heard over the past few league meetings is we don't need to touch it. But for some reason, they felt now was the time because they didn't want to get caught flat-footed. That was what it was said. I don't know what they meant about getting caught flat-footed, but they felt they needed to do something. Again, I mean, I know we're worked up about this. Now, I'm just very interested to see how this is going to be two or three months from now because, frankly, we've heard from a handful of players. We haven't heard from. There's

not, remember, there's 1,700 players in the NFL. There's a lot of other personnel that we haven't heard from. So is this really bending the noses of everybody in the NFL? Right. Is there going to be an organized reaction? like there was a year ago. I guess I just would think that the chance of that are more likely because they just feel like they're getting back to the new corner. We'll see. We'll see.

I mean, I know if I was a player and I hear Donald Trump saying that kneeling and exercising my right to a peaceful protest, I should be kicked out of the country, I shouldn't even be here. I would not react well to that. And it goes against what Roger Goodell even said in his statement, which is part of what the whole disconnect is, which is in his statement announcing this policy,

Roger Goodell said it was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic. So he is saying he doesn't believe that kneeling is unpatriotic, the commissioner, and yet, yet it. I wonder if you said that to some of the people in that room because trust me, the people who cast that vote, there are plenty of them who feel that is unpatriotic.

some of them who took a staged phony in week three to try to say, I support my players. Very interesting. Continue to track this story as it develops, and it will. In other NFL news, Ruben Foster, a first round pick for the 49ers last year who had some major off-the-field issues. But some of that's getting cleared up in the courts. A judge dismissed domestic violence charges against the linebacker,

and he took part in the team's off-season program for the first time since being charged in mid-April and this just came across right before we started taping that the Tuscaloosa District Attorney's Office has dropped a marijuana possession charge against Foster. So now he's at a place where it's down to a court date, June 6th, to face a misdemeanor charge for possession of a weapon. Of course, the NFL, and this is another thorny issue, that the league is. had issues with in recent years has its own jurisdiction in terms of whether or not Foster faces league discipline, but in the courts, things are clearing up for Foster. Yeah, and it goes to show, I guess, why John Lynch and the 49ers decided not to make any transaction with Rubin Foster when this all popped up.

And they caught a lot of heat. A lot of people are calling for him to me. And they did. And they did, and that's fine. But one thing that's really bothered me this week, seeing from some media in San Francisco and definitely some fans in San Francisco, is people kind of celebrating this as like...

It's not a time for victory. As like, hey, you guys were all wrong. How dare you report on this? How dare you say anything? I'm not going to make any judgment. You know, we can't make any judgment one way or another. The reality is the district attorney released a statement even after this

that they believe there was significant. evidence demonstrated that he seriously hurt his girlfriend. Whatever choice that she decided to make to say that she had lied before and that they take the process away, that's fine. That's out of it. The legal process played out. They also said some may have wondered why we think, you know, Mr. Foster heard his girlfriend when she said she didn't.

Recantation is common among domestic violence. Victims, some are scared. Some feel guilty. Some need money. Some are, of course. There's no judgment to it. but this has happened in a lot of cases I've noticed in sports lately. And the legal process plays out, and that's kind of how the teams have to operate.

But the spiking the football and like kind of going after and celebrating this as if it's some sort of like win for the 49ers or that the media was somehow irresponsible or that even the district attorney was irresponsible for pursuing this, like has really rubbed me the wrong way this week I've noticed. Well, as it should. I mean, you know, look, the one thing and Ann Killian, a column list, there who was highly critical of the 49ers for not cutting Foster. She wrote a column saying, look, if this woman's, you know, recantation is true,

then she kind of hurt more women coming forward domestic violence cause. And you have to kind of agree with this because now people are going to say, well, look, she could. Yeah, but you don't know. You don't know. Like it's so incredibly common that deals are worked out. And that's, you can make whatever choices that you want to make. That's not a judgment, but to make some sort of moral thing after the fact.

There's no victory lapse here for anyone. I can tell you this, because I've spoken to the 49th officials throughout this whole process. And one, they clearly had information, which made them think that Ruben Foster might be cleared of these charges. Two, they always wanted to have a plan in place. And I reported this a while ago. Even when he was told to stay away from OTAs, they were in contact. with him almost daily, keeping him on a plan because even they were concerned. If he were to have football taken away from him and kind of just pushed out there in the ether

while he was waiting for things to happen, there could be some problems there. I mean, they're still concerned that Ruben Foster needs structure in his life right now. And so the gravitas that Lynch and Jed York and Kyle Shanahan have gathered now in their locker him by saying from players, you know, Richard Sherman said something called Jim Trotter about Jed York. By not bailing on Ruben Foster immediately, by letting this play out, by establishing some type of support system during this, players in the locker, and I'm like, okay, our leadership, they've got our backs. And then Jed York coming out saying he abstained from this national anthem vote because players were not involved in the conversation. He said he was texting

with Richard Sherman saying, this is how I think it's going to go. Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts. So he was trying to incorporate players. Of course, Richard Sherman was one of the highest-ranking players in the Players' Association. So the gravitas that that leadership has shown, while also saying if any of our players, if we find out put hands on a woman, they're gone. Okay? So they've at least built, in the short term, going into the season, a type of trust with their players throughout this whole process

that could bode well for them on and off the field. Yeah, and it's tough because, I mean, I, I, I can't sit here and judge, you know, what actually happened from either side. I mean, I think, Steve, to your point, like, yeah, if the fact that if she was really lying about all this happening, yeah, all the skeptics can point to her and be like, look, like, these women who come after athletes, like, you know, they're all liars. And it waters down the situations when it actually does happen. But, you know, if it did in fact happen and then she recanted, I mean, that that's an awful. situation for everybody. She needs to face some type of punishment because people talk about how this could ruin his

career. What would the first press release in this attorney say? He faces 11 years in prison. That ruins his life. Wow. That ruins his life. And his reputation, too. Absolutely.

In other news, the Arizona Cardinals took Josh Rosen in the first round of the draft in April and San Bradford, of course, is in the house. The immortal Mike Glennon is in the house. A lot of thought is that Bradford would be the guy, but Rosen was the most, quote, pro-ready quarterback. But Steve Wilkes had this to say this week about the possibility that Josh Rosen starts the season in week one. No, it's not a long shot. I talked about it from day one. The best 11 are going to play.

Sam is the starter, and when he's healthy, he's great. But everybody is competing to be out there on the field. Competition is a great thing. It makes us all better. Wes, translate that. Every coach in the NFL, to one degree or another, believes in the competition mantra. What you did last year doesn't matter. What your reputation is, doesn't matter.

When we get the practice, when we get the training camp, the best guy wins. I'd say Pete Carroll is number one on the list. Whoever does the most in training camp will get the job. 32 might be Hugh Jackson, who is just going to give the job to Tyrod Taylor. Baker Mayfield doesn't have a chance. I'm not believing that one. Steve Wilkes, I think Steve Wilkes is closer to the peak carol model. I also think whoever wins the job wins the job.

I also think these quotes aren't made in a vacuum. He's seen Josh, first of all, I think they love Josh Rosen. That's why they moved up to draft him. But he's seen Josh Rosen now for two, three weeks, four weeks in the building. He's seen him operate. So he has some more information to make a statement like that that, all right, I've seen some things that I like. Like, I'm not, I don't think it's just kind of said willy-nilly. I think he's seen what Josh Rosen has to offer.

And he's like, this guy might be playing for us this year. Yeah, but Greg, does he love the game, Josh Rosen? That's what I want to know. And that's what America wants to know. This is such a May headline. Josh Rosen starting the season isn't a long shot. A little bit. It could be a trooperator.

Look. Yeah. There it is. Tropolat. Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, just. I mean, she's actually on the rest of the show. This is so solid right here.

We don't know how to turn it off. Look, first year head coaches like to align themselves with their rookie quarterbacks. Should they take one of the first round? That's how they're either going to make it or break. So let's look at that fact. Let's also look at the fact that everything the Cardinals have said sets it up for Josh Rosen to win the starting job. And by that, I mean, we're going to manage Sam Bradford in practice. He's going to do some individual drills and some team.

But when he's not, Josh Rosen is getting those number ones. Yeah. You know, we want to make sure Sam Bradford can make it to week one. We're not necessarily going to wear him out. Oh, and Josh Rosen is going to get those reps with the first team offense when Sam's not there. So it is all set up that if Josh Rosen can learn Mike McCoy's system, and Mike McCoy likes high IQ quarterbacks, not saying Sam Bradford isn't, but that's one thing you do hear about Josh Rosen.

I think I'm fully expecting Josh Rosen to win this job, and I'm fully expecting the guy who has been the DB Cooper of fantastic, Fantastic contracts, Sam Bradford, be holding that clipboard for $15 million on the side of the week one. Did you just drop D.B. Cooper, the guy that jumped out of the plane? Oh, my God. That's amazing. I got to tweet that whole quote after the show.

I also saw the subtext at the beginning of it, which is you called Sam Bradford a dummy compared to the pastros. That's going to be my headline way. A lot of different headlines to take out of that commentary. D.B. Cooper. Oh, he's smart. Who's gotten paid more than Sad Bradford? The answer is nobody. Well, let's not give him on the credit.

I think it's probably Tom Condon, who's his agent, who's done a nice job for him. Look, and again, we consider to talk about how much the Cardinals loved Josh Rosen come to draft. He fell to 10. That's why they love him. They weren't expecting to get. That's why they gave Sam Bradford $15 million. So that's a good point. You know, that's all part of it, too.

If Josh Rosen would have gone at 7, we might have been talking about Josh Allen or somebody else being in Arizona. And for people who do not know, D.B. Cooper was, well, we don't know who it was. That was the assumed identity or the fake name that a man that hijacked a plane, demanded money, and then landed the plane, got the money he asked for, and also a parachute, and then got the plane back in the air, and then skydived out of the plane. It's amazing. It's one of my favorites. It was never found.

It was never seen again. Never seen again. Give it multiple heist in, like, burglary, robbery, history. I always... What about Brock Osweather's contract? Rock hasn't done it with as many teams for as much money. I always confused D.B. Cooper with D.B. Sweeney, another legend who is the cutting edge.

The cutting edge? A hockey movie? Ice skating rom-com. That's what I thought you were referring to. Wow. That is a good move. Now let's make another connection. Let's go dabble Swinney right now.

There you go. Might as all do it. Michael Jordan, Deshawn Watson, the same person. All right, that's what's happening in the news. Actually, one more bit of news. You may remember David Tepper. Is that the name? Dave Tepper?

David Tepper, he's the new owner of the Carolina Panthers. The owners made it official this week during a Q&A that involved our NFL media insider, Ian Rappaport. Teper asked this of Mr. Rappaport. What's your name again? Ian Rappaport. Do you color that hair or is that a real haircut? It's real.

And to Ian's credit, he followed it by asking a question of Teper as well, right? The whole thing. Oh, no. He said, you know, that's pretty good for someone who doesn't have much hair. That's a nice job by Ian. Yes. It was great. Also a predictable answer by Ian.

Well, you know, it was a good save. So I thought this was a story that maybe. the ATN Media Insider needed to dig into. Okay. AT&A Media Insider, Insider, Inside, dead. Hands, hands, hand,

for the truth, go to the zoos. Get him. Seusser in the morning. All right. So, I reached out, I knew Ian's on vacation. Ian is actually... He's with Sessler at the Akada Lodge?

I think, no, on a more traditional vacation. In fact, when I reached out... He sees his family on his vacation. Yeah, when I reached out to Rapshie, about these allegations or the questions by the Panthers owner, Ian was running in the woods of Mississippi. But he said, I said, I want to give you the opportunity.

He brings his phone with him? He does. It's wrong with him. I guess that's the money. That's the burden. That's the burden. I got it. That's the burden.

That's what the money's for. So I said, Ian, I would love to follow up on the story and get really your side of it. This isn't gotcha journalism, not looking to, you know, lure you into a trap. although I have personally questioned him over the years about his hair as well I wanted him as an old friend

the opportunity in the platform because Ian doesn't have enough platforms so let us now dig a little deeper into this story Tamposi what's the truth real or fake Hairgate and I got a statement

from the Rappapap whoa nobody else's got this Greg so next is the triple source well you went straight to the source Yes, and I said, I said, Ian, you could come on the show or you could give me a statement. He said, listen, I'm on vacation. I can't come on the show.

But he threw his spokesman. And his spokesman is Leah Rappaport. Ian's wife had this to say, I have the monopoly on artificially colored hair in this household. While Ian does spend an enormous amount of time on his hair, it's mostly to make sure it's perfectly in place with a huge assist from SchwartzCopp, Flex wax Oh Norman Storm and Norman

I guess everybody's got to make money The color Who knew? Yeah The color is And always has been All his own So right there

That's a strong denial That's a categorical denial of anything That people are thrown out there Including myself Are you going to forward that To Dave Tepper Fred Thompson?

You should She should definitely release it on Twitter Fred Thompson Yeah I think I think we need to get this out there beyond, but I wanted to break it here on the podcast. I'm glad you did. It's the first thing this podcast has ever broken.

What's the hair wax, Schwartz called? So when you have a public statement, you don't need a triple source because I don't, is that just? This is, well, I guess it's a public statement, but I got it directly from in a private conversation. I'm making a public get. And the fact that you dropped some product label now is now Ian is going to get a lifetime supply of their movie. Norman's going to call them up tonight. Thanks for what you've done. I'm a hero, Stormin, Norman.

And, of course, I use Redkin. Of course. Anybody is the work-hard molding paste. I don't do wax. I don't do wax. Why? It's a little stiff for my liking. I like a little bit of control, and that's just my thing.

But anyway, there's your update. Coconut oil. Is that what you're using? Mm-hmm. Ah. Shine that head. Go shine it up. Looks nice.

Anybody else want to show you? share their product before we move on? Steve? I'm good. Okay. My product has a name that might offend. Oh. Now I'm really intrigued.

We could bleep it out. No, it's called mixed chicks. Oh. For biracial, by ethnicity, by whatever. It's a nice product for those of us with a short net. But it's kind of geared towards women, but you, but it works. I think that's where the chicks part of it comes in. I'm really glad you asked that question.

I want to do a whole podcast just on hair product. My favorite is triple sec. Triple sec? Yeah. Liquor? Nope. It's a hair product, but I like my hair products to also double as liquor. What's the truth?

Real or fake? Hairgate. All right, there you go. Now, let us move on. Who do you still trust after a tough 2017? We saw a lot of injuries, controversy. it tested, Wes, it tested the medal of the common football fan on some level. Well, I think a lot of people in this country,

and maybe around the world lost trust in other individuals and institutions, just in life. So, you know, in 2018, we need to spin it forward as who is left to trust? At this point in time, who gives us hope? So this has to be someone who you trusted before in the past. I think I messed this game up. Go ahead, Wes, answer the question, see if Colleen can be a part. It could be somebody totally new, but you have just found your, that's the rock upon which you're building your football church.

You're looking for someone to trust. Got it. It's going to be great, guys. That's who you are fixing yourself to survive 2018. There you go. All right. Oh, wow. That's a heck of an amendment there, Wes.

I mean, you guys can all, that's how I'm looking at it, but you guys can all approach it through your own viewpoint. A heck of an amendment. All right. Let's go around the room. and everyone is going to let us know who they are, like a trust fall. Like when you do the, do they still do that? We should do it, actually. Let's do that after.

Oh, I was also doing this as like a head-to-head battle. Okay. Why don't you get us started, Wes? You're the only one that understands this. I did sort of a who do you trust more scenario? Yeah, that's whatever you want it to be. It's all good. It's Friday.

It's a moment. To me, I'm throwing it out to the group. Oh, do you trust more in 2018? Yes. Right. Sean McVeigh or Tony Romo Wow that's deep You're saying two men who were inspirational

In their performances last season Who can stay at that level or even take it up a notch To me the most fascinating innovation going on in the NFL right now is what Sean McVey is whispering in Jared Goff's ear At the Line of Scrimmage And Tony Romo to me, as much as I always love John Madden and he has taken broadcasting to a whole new level. He's like a Choose Your Own Adventure tour guide for fourth quarter comebacks.

And I've never seen that before. Well, this one's easy for me. I'm going Tony Romo because while Sean McVeigh has to go up against the Vikings defense and the Eagles defense and the Seahawks, Pete Carroll a couple times, and like those are big-time competitors and the NFL's crazy, who's Tony Romo going up against? I mean, Jason Whitten. I mean, we'll see how that goes.

You know, Trent Green and whatnot. I think what you're getting at is like the idea that no one is actually scheming to take Tony Romo down either. In my thought with Tony Romo, and I totally am on board with you with your take on Tony Romo is he's just going to keep getting better. I think he was incredible. And I want to settle in for a nice five to 10 year minimum Tony Romo broadcasting. Look, I'm all on Sean McVeigh, because here's a thing. What can Sean McVeigh get that Tony Romo never can't? Oh, a Lombardy Troop.

You're right, you're damn right. So I'm in on Sean. Plus, Tony Romo. Playing the rings argument from Romo, poor God. Poor guy can't escape it. You're on the road on Sundays. You're not even watching. I hate looking.

And I love Tony Romo, but he's got freaking CP3 right next to him. Putting it at the cup. But he's kind of set up then to really succeed. All he has to do is just sit down, kick back, and talk. I'm not saying that. Tony puts in the work, but Sean, come on, he's got to rely on. You're giving Jim Nance a lot of credit here. Yeah, he's pretty good. He deserves so.

You know, and Nance is kind of a fascinating guy to talk about, too, because where Steve's coming from is that Nance is a legend. A lot of people say that, and I think he's very good. And then there are people like Greg that, you know, disrespecting the man. I'm not disrespecting them. I'm just saying Tony Romo is the star of that operation. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, just like James Harman. Martin is the star of the Rockets, but Chris.

Tony Romo is Don Hudson. Except from three. I'm not going to lie. Tony Romo is Don Hudson. He's doing things that are three generations ahead of what anybody else is doing. Did you guys answer it? Oh, yeah. No one's trying to take Romo down.

Everyone's trying to, how do we figure out and destroy Sean McVeigh? So who do I trust more? It's Romo continuing to grow as a broadcaster. I think Romo because he's not really facing any competition. Like he doesn't have to go in and game plan every week. He has to do his homework, but he already knows what he's doing. and he's already charmed everybody. He was like Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise level Comet in his first year.

We're just like, oh, that guy's a star, and now you're just going to watch for the next 20 years, 25 years, him continuing to be a star. But the ring argument is really good. Greg, there's a devil's advocate, to your point. Yeah. That he'll just continue to improve. A lot of people think, like, the further removed he is from playing quarterback

and seeing these defenses and what defensive coordinators are doing to quarterbacks or what trends are going on that he's going to lose a little bit of that. I hear that, but I think he's, I think you don't think so. Even if that was true, I think year two, year three would be like smack in his prime where he knows how to broadcast

and he's still very close to the game. You might have something eventually. And look, he's going to sit down with all these coaches and all the new technology and all this stuff. He's going to put in the work. He's not just going there to be excitable on Sunday. Did you have to take Wes or you were just putting the question? I feel like Wes should be asking,

All the questions, because none of us totally understood what was happening. Do you have a take, Wes? Ooh, on the spot. I'd say Steve really threw me with the, you know, who could possibly have more to gain. Romo can never have what McVeigh could have. That's fair. All right. I trust them both so much.

I'll throw one out there. Well, I had one that was kind of similar, so I don't want to make this the broadcasting show. So I was going to say Bruce Ariens in the booth or Jason Witten in the booth. I did Jason Witten or John Gruden on the field. So let me steal. We can, I would just say I trust Aryans more. Yeah. I guess there's no way to know, though,

until we actually get both of them in the booth. For any of this. I trust Arias with a cough button more. With the seven second delay. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Who do we trust more as an assumed savior? Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City.

Not that they need to be saved of the chiefs, but finally taking them to the next level. in the conference or John Gruden and right now I'm talking in 2018 not yeah Patrick Mahomes three years or not I'm saying fixing what ails the teams respective teams I'm going to I'm just going to say Patrick Mahomes because John Gruden has just absolutely overturned this roster there's such a wild card we have no idea what they're going to be whereas the chiefs you know I think defensively it's still have a long way to go but Mahombs has got a lot of toys to play with Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill.

You know, they just got a Kareem Hunt. Spencer Weir's coming back. So we're not concerned about the reports that Patrick Mahomes has struggled in OTAs. I'm not scared about any OTA struggling. No, when these two teams match up in its Mahomes versus Hackenberg in week 13, I'm sticking with Mahomes. I'm all aboard the Mahomes Express. I love this combination of him and Andy Reid.

I almost trust anybody more. than John Gruden at this point. Wow. I know. I know. Colleen's speaking, it's either a vocal minority or it is the majority of football fans who either, on some of them have it out for John Gruden a little bit.

They don't like his style. I think it's like residual too from when he was with the bucks and like what happened with the bucks and the Eagles. Like I just like, I just don't like. And the booth, which I think he was unfairly maligned. I like him a lot in the booth. But for whatever reason, it became cool to kind of dog on him. At some point, John Grubbush.

Gruden started rubbing people the wrong way, and I think that has really been an underlying fan experience, that people would not mind seeing John Gruden and his $100 million contract come flaming to the ground. I'm not rooting for that to happen, but I feel like it, I don't... I feel like you are, and it doesn't speak highly of you. No, I would never root for anybody to fail, but I just, I don't know, you're right. He just rubs me the wrong way, and I think just from everything that happened when he was with the bucks i can't i can't forgive it i can't let it go i think we've talked about this greg on the

podcast i because of all the gruden hate i'm going the other way i'm like let's go johnny let's fix the raiders let's go 12 and 4 he could i mean it's weird you look at what they've done this off season they look like they're going to be a very physical team but they can only do it for a year because everybody's on a r p other than i just want to be interesting because he a good raiders team makes the league more interesting and especially with grudon i'm going to holmes to steve's point about that offense. I'm not saying it's like the late 90s Vikings where you can just plug in Randall Cunningham and Jeff George and all these guys. But this is one of the best situations in the league from the offensive line to the running game to the receivers. And then Andy Reid is your coach. I mean,

he set up to succeed. Erica, did you have something to say on this? Yeah, on my flight to Oakland, actually on Tuesday, I sat next to an older gentleman, Chuck. And- Hi, Chuck. Yeah, Chuck. An old guy named Chuck. Was it Chuck or Chuck E? Chuck. Chuck. That's Chuck. Middle name could have been E, actually, so can't confirm. But he was, you would think that literally the second coming has happened. And the whole city of Oakland, like, he talked my ear off for the entire 58-minute flight. Like, I did not, you know, we were talking football, and, you know, he was making sort of Patriots digs and telling him, do you know the history? You know, I got the whole thing of the Raiders.

But that being said, it was literally terrible. And he literally gave me his email so I could go see. like the Raider Stadium. Like he had some sort of, he didn't have an... Chuck had some pole? Did he ask you to drinks that night too? Literally, literally. It was super weird.

What did he give you? Did he write his email on like a cocktail napkin? Yeah, and then he kept being like, you're not going to email me. I was like, oh God. But that's besides the point. Besides the point is that Oakland. Oakland is so excited for Grover Nation is all about Drew. Later Nation and the fact that it's going to Vegas, like these next two years, like the city is going to like

they're going to make their mark and do you know in the 70s and 80s in the right I hope this happened save it for the chuck puck this will be a great little clip to from the Oakland Coliseum this will be a great little clip to play and look back on at your wedding with this guy yeah no uh he's a little a little older than me tad uh who else got one all right I got one I'm going to throw one out um who well so I guess who do you trust more

that's how I sort of framed it that's it Deshawn Watson or Dalvin Cook Oh, the knee. The knee injury comeback. Yeah. I know I was thinking Deshawn Watson or Jimmy G. I like this. This is a good one.

I'm going to go Dalvin Cook because I just think for this season, we're talking about 2018. He's a second, the position is just so much harder, a second year quarterback without a great offensive line. That's hard enough if everything's perfect and you've only started five games and you're coming off a big injury. He just is going to be asked to do so much more by the nature of being to be discharging. John Watson. So I trust Dalvin Cook more. I'm going to say Dalvin Cook as well. I mean, he's got the rotation. He's got the most stacked team. Yeah. You know, in the NFL, they'll ask a lot of him, but not a significant amount. Whereas, you know, Deshawn, he's got Jacksonville, you know, that that defense, Tennessee

is going to be no freaking joke in that division. So I'll say Dalvin Cook as well. There's something about the Texans offensive line and the fact that they're changing their entire offense that makes me say Dalvin Cook. I just don't try. trust the Texans' offensive line this year. They might be the worst in the lead. Davo Sweeney. Davo Sweeney? Dabo Sweeney.

E.B. Sweeney. Sweeney. Sweeney. Sweeney. Sweeney. I'll stand with him, Watson. So transcendent talent. Sure. 16 games. Let's fly.

All right. And Cook, look great before he got hurt. Yeah. I'd go with Cook, too. I just feel like the expectations are so high for Deshawn. I mean, I was doing some research for something I wrote this week, and I was reading Greg's projected starters. And the way I was reading, I was like, oh, they might win three games this year.

The Texans? Yeah. Well, they're stacked. Their great players are great. Their defensive line, if they're healthy, might be the best in the league or right up there. It's very well written. They're built like a Cowboys team, right on them is what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't like those teams that seem like they have like eight or nine really good players.

And then the rest of the roster just kind of bunk. Like the Cowboys for most of the past 20 years. That's like a recipe for seven and nine, not O-N-60. Can I ask you who do you trust? I got one. Yeah. Okay. So these are teams.

that cleared out veteran starters for these people to be the man, Derek Henry or Devante Adams? Definitely Devante Adams. I mean, he's already, he's already there. Back to back good years, but does anybody talk about him? Nobody had more. He's the guy they lean on? No wide receiver had more touchdowns the last two years than Devante Adams.

Wow. I mean, he's already there. Derek Henry, there are some days that he looks like the next great big running back. He looks like a better LaGarrett Blunt. and there's some days where he gets like 12 yards. You've got to be more consistent than that. And I think his running style has something to do with it. And the Packers' receiver group is a little thinner than it's been.

Yeah. And Aaron Rogers is back. And so that makes me think he's going to rely on Adams more than ever. So that's why. Without Jority there, especially, and then you look at what they have at tight end and everything else. I mean, I know they brought in Jimmy Graham and stuff. But I just think that Devante Adams, it's kind of like the road has cleared for him to succeed. The biggest compliment I could pay Devante Adams.

is that when Aaron Rogers disappeared and Brett Hunley, who could not hit the ocean from a boat, came in, Devante Out has somehow stayed productive all throughout that Brett Hunley period, which was very shaky for their offense. So, yeah, he's going to eat this year. So I trust him. I'll throw one out. Thinking of two groups that were absolutely dominant in 2016

and then fell off last year, who do you trust more the Cowboys running game? which they certainly are trusting or the falcons passing game oh that's good get back that's a fantastic question and I'm going to go to the Dallas running game I'm still and this is a lot of folks in Atlanta Falcons fans there's still question marks all over Steve Sarkeesian they've got the talent adding and adding Ridley to that group I mean they could be just absolutely incredible in the factor in Coleman and Freeman is receiving running backs but people just don't know

if Sark, you know, with Kyle Shanahan setting the bar, they just don't know if he's the guys. I'll go with the Cowboys running game. Yeah, I would answer the same question for the same reasons. And Zeke, even in a down year last year, was still averaging 100 rushing yards a game. Right. He was, there were games last year where they stayed in games

because he keeps converting third downs over and over. He's that good in their offensive line. They had Connor Williams. They're even better. Yeah. How much of a passing game to help him out? Or potentially. I don't know.

So if they, like, they, passing game was terrible last year, and he still was fine. Cowboys run game for me. I mean, like, you look at what happened last year with Julio Jones, and it was like, where was he all year? And Steve Sarkeesian, just the plays that he was calling and all of those guys that he had to play with on offense. Like, imagine if Sean McVeigh was in there and what he was able to, what he would have been able to do with that offense.

It's crazy to think about. I want to mix it up, but I can't. Same issues of the offensive coordinator in Atlanta. And also, I thought, I think. think last year for Elliott was probably a sobering season the game was taken away from him with the suspension he came in he's a little out of shape and then he saw how the game is harder when you're not at peak condition he got he got fit as the season went along I wouldn't be surprised if and I'm sorry there's no trope siren running that we've heard that Zeke Elliott's in the best shape of

his life I'm sure that's coming soon uh but all that he's motivated okay I'm not surprised so I have I would not be surprised if he's 1500 plus yards and carrying that off of yeah sleeping on the falcons well riddley if he hits forget it but you know i mean rookie wide receiver who knows and i think i ranked the falcons third or four yeah two on offense two great groups potentially yeah i mean you want us to diss the cowboys running game i can't do that one more west do you have another one that we can go out on who do you trust more 2017 breakout stars jimmy garoplo or Doug Peterson. Ooh.

That's a great question. Because Doug Peterson, he's missing a couple of his guys now on that coaching staff. He lost Frank Reich. He lost. DiPilippo. Didn't have his quarterback for the Super Bowl. Right, right, right. Look, I'm done doubting that guy.

That is a great one. Even Michael Lombardi got out of the daddy game. Yeah. Well, he didn't have much choice. That was like, has a hot take ever gone more wrong than Michael O'Bardi on Doug Peterson? Wow. I'm riding, I'm riding, though, with Jimmy G.

Because, you know, this is tough and talk with the Niners. They said they had their playbook base skied on to about 10 pages. I'm exaggerating a little. But just to kind of go week to week with Jimmy G. And now he's had a whole offseason to get with Kyle Shanahan. They go on to get Jerich McKinnon on offense. They're going to pair him with Matt Brita. I mean, you have two guys.

Georgia Southern, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Two guys who can skate. Are they the Golden Eagles? I believe so. Oh, yeah. So they've got, they said they don't have a running back that runs slower than a four or five flats.

So they have game players. You know, we don't, they don't have necessarily a great group of wide receivers, but a good enough group. So let's go Jimmy G. It's kind of hard to repeat is the Super Bowl champs. Doug Peterson all day. That is the least surprising development of this podcast. I'm with you, though. I'm with you.

I'm going to go Peterson verily. Jimmy G has the edge that he has a great coach with him. And, you know, we'll see. but in terms of the Eagles but I feel like the Eagles offense is going to be very good almost no matter what we've seen that with Nick Foles taking over it

there is a scenario where Jimmy G has some second year struggles or maybe he doesn't even it doesn't bomb out or anything but he's not near that level that they were at last year whereas I'd be shocked if the Eagles offense isn't humming along nicely yeah I think the Eagles and Peterson

are going to be fine but Jimmy G special you love Jimmy G Scott I like Jimmy G a lot. Actually, I'm not the biggest fan of this room, I don't think, but he still has a lot to prove, but he just has the look. He had the results at the end of last year. He's got the look, Dan. What does that mean? Just saying. Are you objectifying him? No. She's trying to get him a Schwartz. He looks like a quarterback. Hair gel. Yeah, a little short, Storm and Norman hair gel. You know that legendary dream team practice that they always talk about? Oh, yeah. What, Leitner just got

destroyed that one? Yeah. Jordan beats Magic's team and they're trash talking. They say it's the highest level basketball's ever been played. Yes. I feel like the Jimmy G. practices in New England are starting to take on that legendary status. Cassius Marsh, who plays for the 49ers now who played for New England at the time, they asked him about Jimmy G because he arrived late in the season to the 49ers and didn't get to see a lot of it. And he said, oh, I saw this every day in practice.

All the Patriots did where Brady would come out and then Garoppolo would just trash the first team defense over and over again. So add him to the list. Basically, Belichick has said the same thing. I love Garopla because I take Brady out and you don't miss anything. Mike Lombardi has said that, you know, glowing reports that if you saw him in practice, you would have no doubts about it. Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan.

These guys have all basically said Jimmy G is Tom Brady. Oh, yeah, Tom Brady had nothing to do with Jimmy G being sent right out of town. Keep in mind, Blake Bordel's trash to Patriots defense, too. That is true. That's true. Just kidding, I love Jimmy G. All right. As did Nick Fools.

Good stuff. Good stuff, everybody. Steve, you were... Brilliant. Like Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise. Oh, man. Gosh, at least I thought you were going to go Todd Bridges. What was the hair care?

Mixed chicks. Mixed chicks. Mixed chicks. Mixed chicks. So check that out if it's something you think would be good for your follicle situation. And Colleen. Yeah. A great weekend.

Thanks. You coming over to my house? I'll see you on Saturday. Are you buying a heat lamp? I'm working on it. Cool. I actually spoke with, Steve, I'm having a barbecue on Saturday. You're welcome, of course.

Thank you. How could you live in LA and not have a heat lamp? Right? Listen, I put it off for a while, but now I understand that this is the time. So I'm looking into it. I want to get the right value by, but I'm willing to spend some money for it, too. Now it's about, is it going to be the standing one or is it going to be the one that goes on a desk? I've been doing a lot of research.

Just don't go cheap because these things do burn. Yeah. Flammable. aspect to it, so spend a little coin. Oh, not to burn down my house. Dan rolls out a $500 heat lamp. It's gold. It's like wearing pajamas next to the Christmas tree in the 1930s.

It was from like MC Hammer's house foreclosure. I got his heat lamp. All right. A little MC Hammer bit. Now, as promised, Fortnite, it is the game that we all love. It's the game America loves. It's the game the world loves. All right.

Has anyone here played Fortnite before? Wait, we're talking about a game. I thought we were talking about two weeks, like a fortnight. I thought it was like Shakespeare in the park. It's a fortnight, right? Right. But no, this is the game. Who has experience with the game?

No. Nah, not the kid. I seriously thought it was a Shakespeare bit. I got nothing. Okay. Well. Good topic. Then Hed is signing up for Steve Weish, the mailman.

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