NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Franchise Tag Primer & Connie Fox Sweepstakes

Episode Date: February 18, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler & Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news around the NFL including Drew Brees coming back to the Saints for 2020 (9:02), rumors that t...he Raiders are willing to pay Tom Brady big (19:06) and go over some releases and reports that Lev Bell isn't in shape in some 8 o'clock delight. (26:52). The heroes go through a Franchise Tag primer (34:51) before sampling 5 of the best **so far** Connie Fox sweepstakes songs. (47:30).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:32 What is that, boys? Well, Wes is not here, so we have no one to fill the voice. And I'm, by the way. I'm going to wait at another hour. Nobody said anything. I thought it would have been fun to really, after we had a second or two of it, I thought this might be fun to just see how long it goes. But, you know, oh, Mark, look at me.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Well, no, that is not. I'm the one that, you know, I moved out of my normal seat for the first time. in, what, 1,200 shows? What a selfless move. Terrible sitting here. I don't feel comfortable at all. You really don't have to. This is an audio program today.
Starting point is 00:02:06 We're not taking anything. No, it's not, though, because I always discover that, you know, and because we have a very creative producer and Erica, that, you know, an hour later, if someone does anything unsettling, it's going to be, it will be, as it should be. Our last episode of the Thursday episode, I had no idea it was on camera, and then I see a link, and an hour and seven minute podcast was uploading. it onto the internet.
Starting point is 00:02:28 I didn't know that. You never know. You always have to be prepared. I didn't know that either. Well, you're wearing a, you have a very fashionable jacket on Greg. So you had some inkling that this could happen. It's like, if Greg's cut back to 1941, December 10th,
Starting point is 00:02:40 Greg's like, get me into this war. I got to defend. Greg's clothing budget is probably worth a seg of its own this off season. Really? There's constantly like, I'm loving this. Like a $140 sneakers appearing left and right that no one's ever worn before. This, I've been told. Jacket.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Was it $27? on clearance at Zara. Who are you told by? By Emica, who bought it for me? See, that's the missing link. Is anyone buying you clothing? Do you have a significant other buying you? My wife would like to do it for me,
Starting point is 00:03:09 but it just feels personal to me. It's not happening to my house. Not that I would like to actually see what would be purchased on it. The money drop said that we are not injury prone. I went to Big Bear Mountain, which is a great getaway if you're a Southern California person.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I'm a great, you know, scenic family-type vibe. We went there for Wes's bachelor party once in time. Was this a bachelor party? No, what was it? It was just a getaway. It was a getaway. I don't recall a family vibe that time. And I drove past the very log cabin resort that we stayed across from a microbrewery.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And I just remembered, it gave me fond memories of Mr. Sessler and I carrying Wes back to the lodge, putting him in bed, giving him a glass of water, and then going into this little mini kitchen and listening to the county crows at like 3 a.m. And then... Since Wes isn't here, I'll play his part of it. That's not how it happened at all. Well, it is exactly how it happened. You guys are exaggerating.
Starting point is 00:04:16 It's a forgiving retelling. And then after probably like midway through recovering the satellites, maybe this desert life, the crow's 99 offering, we went. to check on Wes, is he breathing, is he sleeping on his side? And he had at some point picked up the water, glass of water that we had given him, and then spilled it over his entire body. And we were like, did West, did he urinate on himself? That was the first concern.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Right. Well, first we're like, is that blood? No. What is the dampness? Oh, it's, is it urine? No. Oh, it's the water. And then he just, he remained passed out for the rest of the night.
Starting point is 00:04:49 And he lived. And now he's married and he's got a kid on the way. It's a different time. He's in Hawaii right now on a baby moon that seems. to be going very well according to the Graham. Everyone's got a friend that pisses themselves. Well, in this case, he did not, though. No, he did not.
Starting point is 00:05:05 I'm saying that's why he had to check. Right, right. It was an immense amount of water. Had that come out of his body, I would have been impressed from a whole different side of things. That's true. But I was going to say that I went snow tubing with my boys and some friends and the shoulders barking at the old Zeus right now.
Starting point is 00:05:24 And it's not because I took a spill or anything. It's just it was rotated in a way that for a man that's nearing 40 years old, it's the shoulder saying, hey, I'm barking at you because I'm going to need a few days. You're trying to hold on to two tubes on a snow hill at once. Right. I'm hooking maybe Jack's arm as we're going down on the tube. And it's barking. That's life.
Starting point is 00:05:45 We're checking all the dad boxes here. Counting crows, barking shoulders. Today's show, Greg wrote a banger, didn't get a chance to, read it. So it's going to be a real-time situation. I think it went up 15 minutes before the show started. Right. It's fresh in email right now. It would have been tough. Good. I'm covered. So it's essentially a franchise tag
Starting point is 00:06:05 primer. That's right. That's perfect. Because I have found, and I've been told for the algorithm on the dot-com side as writers for this website, the more teams that you could write about in a piece, the more eyeballs and clicks. And Mark, you know Greg is plugged in on
Starting point is 00:06:22 this stuff. So I'm sure you were excited to write this piece, knowing that your numbers would spike. That's something. I'm all about the numbers right now. There was a time. There was a time when I was, when it was part of my job. Now I'm blissfully unaware. Well, there was a time when the shadowy leaguers were observing it too.
Starting point is 00:06:40 I was one of those shadowy league figures on some level. It always made me slightly uneasy getting like the eighth most attractive writing assignment in the room. That probably you're not going to dominate metrics. It's, you know, be concerned. So we're going to take a look at it. that and also as I teased last week the Connie Fox sweepstakes it's a theme song we're looking to get it out there get one that that really defines the essence of Colleen Wolfe
Starting point is 00:07:10 and it will become essentially tied to her for the rest of her time on this earth and I am excited to tell you guys that when I checked in at the submission site which is the ATM podcast at gmail.com over 30 submissions in less than a week. Some great, some not so great, some okay. You listen to them all. I listened to every single one this morning. And Erica did as well.
Starting point is 00:07:37 And we'll get to that later playing just a few of the ones that stood out to us. Erica had the power here to choose the ones that maybe advanced to the next time. We're going to do this for the rest of the week is you're this in terms to get your submission in 30 seconds or less Colleen will theme song and then we'll close it on Friday after Friday and then who decides the people right I don't know if we trust I don't know I think we
Starting point is 00:08:05 should put them on our Instagram page we'll let people vote or maybe Twitter and I think they they will be they get a vote yeah I feel like a pro bowl scenario they will be taken into consideration but if if we all feel strongly another way but it's it does seem clear that Colleen has no choice and should probably should not have a choice. She doesn't get a choice, but she does get to hear it, I think. Well, that's fine. Yeah, and in fact, we're going to get her on the phone a little bit later for that. But before any of that, let's do some news.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Matt, what does this team need to do on offense to get something going here? We need to change the whole entire game plan at halftime. What do you need to change about the game plan? What are you frustrated about? There's just a lot going on right out now. It's embarrassing for us here as an offense, so a lot of things we want to fix and correct. Thanks. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:49 This will be the full of our XFL coverage for today's show. But I just want to know where was this Matt McGloin in the NFL? Because I love this guy. He's leaning into it. And this caused quite a stir. And I think it is one of the XFL's advantages because I watched a little bit this past weekend. And they're just grabbing guys like two seconds after they throw like an awful interception and getting like the raw emotion of their commentary.
Starting point is 00:09:12 And that one, he just, you know, took the offensive coordinator and just like flung him under a moving bus. And then he got, you know, benched, I believe. He paid the price. And the head coach of the team that Matt McGloin plays where I believe it's the New York audience, my hometown team, is Kevin Gilbride. So for the second time in 25 years, Kevin Gilbride was sucker punched on television. Oh, good one. You brought it all back together. Super Bowl champion Kevin Gilbride.
Starting point is 00:09:38 A lot of Spaggs love. Wasn't he nice? You don't hear a lot of Kevin Gilbride love. He was the OC of the Giants to beat the Patriots. The 2011 Giants team. that beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Didn't we interview him and wasn't he a super nice guy, Gilbride? Or was he not nice?
Starting point is 00:09:54 He is, no, he is very nice guy. I don't want to make it up. It's all a haze. I don't remember anything. He was in 2012 at this point. Sat down at a table, interviewed him, and you kind of wanted him to be a jerk because Buddy Ryan fought him
Starting point is 00:10:04 and everybody wanted to decide with Buddy Ryan. But Gilbride seemed like a great dude. So I'm team Gilbride again. I pick like the ornery, more ornery aspect of that fight. I'd go Buddy Ryan, who I'm not sure was ever in a good mood. All right, let's get into it. Drew Breeze is coming back. The Saints quarterback, the NFL's career passing leader.
Starting point is 00:10:21 He will return for a 20th season after an Instagram post today, Tuesday. Classic Sessler move just posted a photo of a horizon and a beautiful, some type of a beautiful location. Hike. A hike at the top of a mountain. And he said, he's going to make another run at it. He turned 41 last month, scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on March 18th. but he wants to stay with the Saints or stay nowhere.
Starting point is 00:10:52 So now it's just a matter of getting the money side of it done. And I don't think that's quite as simple as probably everyone just reading the coverage of this. It's just like, okay, Drew Breeze is back with the Saints. Yes, he will be back with the Saints. I'm not doubting that. But it's just complicated. His previous contract negotiations have been very protracted and complicated. And this one is especially complicated because of all this money that he signed on his last deal.
Starting point is 00:11:16 It was these voids that. push kind of your salary cap pain into the future. And now they're probably going to have to do it again. But whatever he plays for, add $15 million to that. And that's what the cap it's going to be. So there's no like, ooh, he's going to help the Saints out this year and take a little less money. I mean, maybe he'll figure out as best he can.
Starting point is 00:11:36 But he's probably going to have one of the highest cap figures, if not the highest, of any player in the entire NFL. Saints have 9 million in Cap room right now. Only five teams have less. I know that that will change drastically. you can make some moves, but they don't, they're not going to be able to change it that drastically. Yeah, they don't have as much flexibility as some other teams out there. And there are some moves that can make Janoris Jenkins. They'll probably figure out there's some guys that
Starting point is 00:12:01 they can cut. But they have a lot of pretty good free agents, Von Bell, being one of them. And they're a team you would think would want to be loading up this offseason. I don't think it's going to happen. You basically got to bring back what you have. And especially on defense, there's some holes there. But why bring, I mean, you bring Breeze back because he's true Breeze, but it feels like if you're not going to make the biggest push possible. Oh, yeah. But they already have, like the roster, it's pretty damn good. They do this whole thing where they push all this pain into the future.
Starting point is 00:12:27 It's kind of the old Cowboys move and the cap keeps going up. So it's not even that bad. But they're going to have to do it even more this year. The whole uncap situation is confusing. And it also spells the end of Teddy Bridgewater. Not that we thought he was going to be back. But I think the odds are you have Breeze and you have Tassum Hill who will be back on a one-year restricted free agent contract, most likely, and away you go.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Yeah, and Tom Pelliserro, who, you know, Roto World described as NFL.com's Tom Pelliser. I feel like he does work there, but I constantly see him on an NFL network, so it feels... More of a network guy. A little bit of a slight on there. I think it was just an error. I'll clean that up, please. Yeah, you could go back into the content management system. Roto Pat, Pat Dardy, if you're out there.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Let's go, Rodopat. You are the man now. Is he... Well, we don't know that officially, but he is one of the men. I mean, he's been there the longest. He's one of the greatest fantasy writers in the game. Great at Twitter. And he writes the rankings.
Starting point is 00:13:23 So that, to me, who does the rankings? That's kind of how you know, Dan. The power ranking, yes. No, like the fantasy. No, I do the power rankings at the time here. So that's where it starts, the chain going on down. Yeah, it's a similar thing in the Rotarworld. I agree.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Okay. Well, that floated away. Let's move on. I'm not at all surprised we got to that point, but we got there quickly. And I just want my final thought on Drew Brees is, is good job by everybody involved, assuming the deal gets done. It's smart from a business perspective in the NFL or any sport to get out a year too soon rather than a year too late.
Starting point is 00:13:57 But Drew Brees, like Tom Brady, these are special cases, I think. And if they showed anything in the most recent season and you still think you can get one more year out of this amazing player, just do it. And push all your chips into the center and then figure things out later. I kind of, that's where I said of this. I would be very disappointed if I was a Saints fan and they kind of got cute and said,
Starting point is 00:14:19 all right, Taysam, you're our man or whoever else it would have been. Bring back. Well, I'd also argue, yeah. 20th season for- Totally agree. I'd argue that two of the best three or two of the best four Saints teams
Starting point is 00:14:32 of the entire Breeze era are the last two years. They've had some bad playoff losses, but those teams have been great. And one thing, Pelliserro noted, though, with Taysam Hill, first or second round tender seems to be what they're going to do with him. So you're not, I just don't see another team coming in again
Starting point is 00:14:46 so you're going to get them both and both quarterbacks have talked about using on game days that Taysam Hill would be used a lot more than last year that's one of the only things I care about in free agency is what happens to Taysam Hill the rest of it is just a big flood of non-essential information
Starting point is 00:15:03 Well it depends To me. To what prison? Shots fired at our programming over the next month and a half Tason Hills 85% of these players will fail. Deasem Hill's free agency
Starting point is 00:15:15 is the only thing that matters to you in the NFL right now? It's like you have to come over 10 things I'm excited about but it's like that's number one and then it's a deep. Nothing about the Browns
Starting point is 00:15:24 your favorite team? It's just only whether or not Taysa Mill. Well, if anything I have extra armor up after last off season to not even look at what they do and I hope they do nothing. I would like to see them do literally nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I saw Steve Weish Day and he was kind of grumbling. It's like, well, just talking about Taysam Hill. It's like we can't talk about Taysam Hill enough but it's because of people like you out there.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I am hardly behind generating more hoopla in the off-season. That is the new Steve Young, Tason Hill. Teddy Bridgewater, by the way, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported, Bridgewater, expected to have a, quote, strong market in free agency, which I guess makes sense. But even then, I'm just like, is it? Is it going to be that strong for Teddy? And he could land a multi-year deal paying it, and this is where it gets crazy, paying him around $30 million per year.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Now, just to put that in perspective, Drew, Breeze, the last contract he signed with the Saints and maybe slightly below value, but two years, 50 million. That's 25 doing the math, nailed it. So Teddy Bridgewater, what have I seen? What have you seen? Was anybody seen that this guy should be paid like a star quarterback? Because 30 million star money.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Tough situation. Tough situation. For Fowler, the reporter and Bridgewater, because the second this came out, immediately everyone's response was just like, don't believe it. Stop it. Don't believe it. Well, I mean, Fowler's nailed, like, one thing after the now. He's been right about a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:16:46 He's getting this information. Put the nail on his foot on this one. He's getting the information from somewhere. So maybe he does, maybe there is one team out there. And the price seems awfully high. But maybe there's one team out there that is truly very interested in Teddy. Some mystery team out there. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:05 I think it's got to be like the strong market does not mean eight teams because there's a supply and demand issue. And I think the best case thing for him is, the Breeze and Brady stay home with their current teams and then Rivers goes somewhere that had no interest in Teddy Bridgewater and then there's... Let's say the Colts.
Starting point is 00:17:21 There's still three or four teams out there. Not really, though. Not really. But what about the Chargers? Unless someone wanted to replace a guy that's there. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's like if Tampa just for,
Starting point is 00:17:32 you know, for some reason they love Teddy Bridgewater and no one knows it. Maybe that's possible. The Patriots, I thought he would be the perfect guy. You know, Foxborough fans would be tough on him, but I thought he would make sense if Brady actually left. But this number is so high. He was a free agent last year, and no one really wanted him.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Everyone's all like, whoa, he got one of the highest backup. Yeah, that was for $7 million. It's like no one really wanted him last year. Now they're going to want him. I don't get it. He did a good job with the Saints, but what they asked him to do in that offense doesn't suddenly tell me he's worth five more than he was last off season. He's possibly the new Alex Smith,
Starting point is 00:18:06 and Alex Smith eventually did get some big contracts. But I feel like Teddy's not there where he would. What if the Panthers moved on from Cam Newton and had nothing under center? Go ahead. I mean, my point from last week, it's like, so you're going to, you're so anxious to get rid of Cam Newton and Charlotte that I'm going to now give Teddy Bridgewater two years for $50 million or something. I think it hit us all the same way. I think Teddy is a very good NFL quarterback in the sense that it's hard to find guys who hit guys that are open and don't make mistakes. You could squint and you could see at worst he's Andy Dalton and Andy Dalton's gotten paid.
Starting point is 00:18:41 But 30 million seems outrageous. All right. Speaking of $30 million contracts, Larry Fitzgerald Senior. We know Larry Sr. Run into him a few times. Remember the Super Bowls? I've seen him just sitting on a chair, folding chair, in the middle of the winning team locker room.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Yep. Waiting for the story to come to him because Larry, maybe that's... He's been in the game for a long time. He pops up. It's like every nine months, there's like a late... You know they have the Woge bombs. Yeah. You got a Fitz Senior bomb.
Starting point is 00:19:10 I mean, it's more like... Do the bombs land? Like once a year. Because Woj bombs always land. And I don't know. You know apparently the background of Larry Fitch senior. We've been covering this sport for a long time, all of us. And I feel like there's about one Larry Fitzbaum a year.
Starting point is 00:19:27 He does have someone. I haven't checked on the trajectory. There's definitely a mouthpiece somewhere coming to him. Because if I sat or you sat in the middle of the Super Bowl winning locker room on a folding chair, no one's coming to me with a game breaking story. seems to happen to him. I feel like we all have to do a little more research, Greg. You need to find out if these bombs hit.
Starting point is 00:19:46 I need to go read some of these gamers from these Super Bowls where he was just sitting in the middle of the locker. Maybe he ended up with an amazing piece out of it. I wouldn't doubt that at all. Anyway, Lyra Fitz Sr., he has been, quote, told the Raiders are prepared to offer Tom Brady a two-year $60 million contract. So Teddy Bridgewater money for Tom Brady potentially from the Raiders. But again, Larry Fitz, not known as senior, not known as a newsbreaker.
Starting point is 00:20:21 But like Mark said, maybe somebody's getting something out there through the old man. I don't know. Am I buying this at all? Well, ESPN, who, you know, you try to save your best stuff for like Super Bowl morning if you've got any good, you know, kernels out there. What was that old? Comeback Colonels. We did Comeback Colonels with Mark Sessler.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Wish we had that on the board. Do we have that on the board by any chance? All right, let's add that in pose. Come back Colonels with Mark Sessler. Come back Colonels with Mark Sessler. Come back Colonels with Mark Sessler. Come back colonels with Mark Sessler. Come back colonels with Mark Sessler.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Come back colonels. with Mark Sessler Come back, Colonel with Marksessler. You know, Adam Schaefter reported Super Bowl Morning that the Raiders would be the team that would go in on Tom Brady. So it's not totally out of left field.
Starting point is 00:21:23 But the Patriots, I think, one thing that's been lost, and Tom Kern wrote a good piece this weekend about it, they're not worried about other teams kind of dipping in on Tom Brady. Because if he reaches free agency, I think it's already over. And I think they're not going to get
Starting point is 00:21:36 in some crazy bidding war. with any team out there, no matter what these floating reports are. I buy the Raiders thing whenever it seems to trickle up into the news because it makes, if you're at any team shifting to new locations, and Derrick Carr is perfectly serviceable and works, but it's hard to market around a bunch of the NFL quarterbacks out there. Derrick Carr, I would say, is just tough to market around to a new Las Vegas fan base. Brady, if you're an owner, Tom Brady,
Starting point is 00:22:03 Gruden seems like he dig Tom Brady in the experience of coaching him, number one. and it just automatically guarantees nonstop sellouts and endless attention in a new market, which the Raiders probably will get anyways because that fan base will go anywhere. I always, anytime these pop up, I just think of Derek Carr's reaction to them. Because he didn't event, I think one week after the Super Bowl, just a couple days. It was sort of under the radar, but I'm going to remember this, where he spoke with a bunch of other Raiders players and Mark Davis at the opening of the stadium.
Starting point is 00:22:41 And he was very open about how annoyed he was and was blaming the media, being like, you know, what more do you got to do basically to have this stuff stop coming out? And like every time this comes out, he's getting more and more annoyed. Sounds like a great opportunity for a The Players Tribune column just blasting the media.
Starting point is 00:22:59 This is me speaking to you, the fans. The real story. The real story. from me, you know, who could assign that associate editor, Derek Jeter. I thought he sold that. You think he's doling out stories to be told me? He's like, get on this. He's in there at the nine o'clock media.
Starting point is 00:23:17 All right, what's our plan today for the car story? Nine o'clock, no, he's in at 6 a.m., the big cup of coffee. All right, speaking, all right, so those are some quarterbacks in the end of their careers, Brady and Breeze, Teddy, not so much, but one guy just starting. is Joe Burrow, the LSU star, the coming off the undefeated season, the national championship, the Heisman Trophy. Well, he was receiving another award, the Davey O'Brien Award, Davey O'Brien Award in Texas, and was asked about what's happening with the draft.
Starting point is 00:23:53 He's widely expected to be the number one overall pick, Cincinnati Bengals pick number one. Burrough said this, I do have leverage per the first. Fort Worth Star Telegram. They have their process and I have my process. We haven't even gotten to the Combine yet. There's a lot of things that happen leading up to the draft and a lot of information gathered. Right now I'm focused on being the best football player I can be. I'm in this unique spot.
Starting point is 00:24:20 You can go watch my film. I don't have to prove myself a pro day and at the Combine. So I'm in a unique spot where I can focus on getting ready for the year. We have not, this has not happened, a player that was expected to go number one. forcing his way out of that destination since Eli Manning and the Chargers 17 years ago. It feels like we're a little overdue for something like this. And if I'm a Bengals fan, and it's unfortunate Wes is in Hawaii right now because I'd be interested of what he would say, but I kind of do, I feel like I know what he would say, is if I'm a
Starting point is 00:24:56 Bengals fan, I am terrified right now because just the fact that Burrow would put this out there, that starts the media machine going nuts now. Then you got a guy like Carson Palmer even predates us at the Super Bowl. He did the media tour just basically warning Joe Burrow to watch out about going to Cincinnati. Sally Wilcox comes in,
Starting point is 00:25:15 another former Bengals great, doubles down, says the same thing that Carson Palmer was done dirty and Joe Burrow needs to be careful with this. I'm nervous if I'm a Cincinnati fan right now. Well, I think the minute that Joe Burrow was attached to Jordan Paul, Palmer as his, you know, pre-draft quarterback guru.
Starting point is 00:25:35 And obviously, Jordan Palmer has feelings. And Carson Palmer has probably been in conversations with them. And Carson Palmer's... Jordan Palmer is with the Bengals too back. Right. And Carson Palmer's end with the Bengals was about as negative and, you know, antagonistic as... That he was going to retire if you don't trade. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:51 He's like, I'm willing to put my career into, you know, the Dead Box, whatever that means, like to not play for the Bengals anymore. Say Dead Box? Well, it's like you're throwing away millions of dollars to simply not be part of an organization. When you spin words like, Mark, you got to just throw some crazy ones out there so they don't all end.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Haven't you ever, I've had a job or two where I thought I'm making okay money at this hideous corporation, but not making money and having to start all over again is preferable because it's so dreary and so awful here and there's no future that you can feel that way sometimes.
Starting point is 00:26:25 It feels like you're in a dead box. You are, you're getting closer, you feel it. And I think if you're burrow, though, like, it is weird to me that we haven't seen another player do as much as they can with draftable number one talent and power, like more Eli Manning situations. Because it just seems like players have more leverage and power than they have before. He could just simply say, I'm not going to play for you. And so what did the Bengals do? Yeah, and even Eli, you went into draft days still not knowing how it was going to work out. And the Chargers did a good job, I think, of handling that.
Starting point is 00:26:57 but you weren't even sure if Eli had the leverage when that draft started. You still thought they might take them. They end up getting, you know, a fair compensation for that number one pick. But it's a nightmare. And it's different because, yeah, Burrow, I mean, the fact that Jordan Palmer's in there in his ears and has all this institutional knowledge is kind of a worst-case scenario. And these comments were eye-opening. It doesn't seem like it's so far-fetched that this could be something.
Starting point is 00:27:27 we're talking about for months now. And while he's from Ohio and stuff, and people want to link him to the Bengals as a... He grew up a Saints fan, Joe Burrow. I don't think there's any... There is no shared DNA with the Bengals. It's anti-D-Na. Just so we have this cover.
Starting point is 00:27:44 This is what Carson Palmer said during one of his media stops during Super Bowl week. That's why I wanted out. I never felt like the Bengals organization was really trying to win a Super Bowl and really chasing the Super Bowl. He told CBS Sports Radio. And a lot has changed.
Starting point is 00:27:57 A lot of people have come and gone in Cincinnati since Palmer was there. But Mike Brown is still the owner. And there's a lot of bad blood there, obviously. All right. Let's do a little 8 o'clock the light. The Detroit Lions were reportedly trying to trade Darius Slay, the cornerback. This is not the first time it's popped up, but he's entering the final year of his deal, Greg.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Pretty tasty trade market, I think we're going to have in the next couple weeks. And Slay is a good one. The Redskins have formerly released cornerback Josh Norman after four seasons. He was once the highest paid cornerback in football but didn't play like it, especially last year, Mark. I hate when bad teams sign like one star player in the secondary and you're expecting a lot to pivot around that.
Starting point is 00:28:44 No, it didn't work out. You didn't say that to him to his face when you did Sky Sports. I like the man personally. Seems delightful, but, you know. Couldn't play last year. Paul Richardson. Come up in conversation. A high-paid wide receiver signed a five-year, $40 million contract in 2018.
Starting point is 00:28:58 He gone as well. So some of these Redskins signings had that worked out. Jordan Reed, I think, could be the next one to go, your old buddy, George. Still in Concussion Protocol. Tyrod Taylor could be the starter. The Charger says Anthony Lynn. That's a BS, right, Craig? Nobody believes this.
Starting point is 00:29:13 I think he could be if things don't work out. Oh, that will fill up the stadium. All right, you draft the guy number six, and Tyrod's like the week one starter, and he's not a week three starter. It's exactly. what happened in Cleveland. Talk about Tyrod Taylor all offseason. He'll be a nice one and a half game plays sold until the rookie begins his career. Oh no! Rich Samini reports that
Starting point is 00:29:30 LeBel got fat last season and the Cardinals give big money to... No, we can't start the music over when there's only two left. Just ran out of time. But I want... We're going to move out. Yeah, Lev Bell got fat and lost explosiveness as the season wore on, Rich Samini
Starting point is 00:29:47 said, according to the Jets and Rich Semeni is plugged into the Jets. So good contract there. speaking of good contracts. Make him tougher to trade. He was already... He's already tough to trade. And I just want to throw this out there about Lev Bell.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Remember when he sat out a whole year of his prime and said, I'm doing this for all the running backs? Then he got an okay contract with the Jets, not a great contract. But actually playing well after you signed the contract, that's how you would have helped out the other running backs. You killed other running backs with this whole thing. Not exactly a visionary approach.
Starting point is 00:30:19 And the Cardinals, yes, agreed to a three-year deal with offensive tax. DJ Humphreys, three years, $45 million, Mike Garifolo reported. $29 million guaranteed. This is just something to note if you're looking for a tackle. It is impossible to get tackles on the free agent market when DJ Humphreys is making 15 a year. It's just like the hardest position to fill. All right.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Let's get into it. Franchise tag. That's what's happening in the news. The headline is 2020 NFL franchise slash transition tag, Primer. and no-brainer candidates? I don't do the headlines. I don't even worry. What the hell is that?
Starting point is 00:30:59 There's a lot happening. Hey, take it to, I'm going to go straight to slack our, I'm not supposed to say the claim that we do. You can beep that out. You can beep that out, Erica. I'll go straight to our editor, who you have a good relationship with
Starting point is 00:31:14 and say you took some shots on our podcast. Well, could you also ask why they make the headline in that fashion? I think that it's a fair question. It's very fair. All right. Franchise tag. Greg, you know, and this is just Greg.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Flex in here because he knows he's going to have a lot of eyeballs on this one because there's going to be a lot of players. This is one of your offices and narratives that I'm like fishing for hits in the off season. I don't know if this one is technically a banger in terms of like people like the cuts, people like the trades. I'm not sure people are super into the tags. Yeah, but this is the one that gets you like when like Peter Schragger's like, I respect Greg the most like on our summertime.
Starting point is 00:31:51 It's like this is the article that he's like, Yeah, Dan Mark and Wes, yeah. He probably respects Wes second, but he's like, Dan and Mark probably aren't writing franchise tag posts. Going deeper into Mark's mind as the sentence continues. I respect Greg the most, Jan. Way to go, Pete. Way to be honest.
Starting point is 00:32:10 I'd take the bait, you know. Teams can first designate franchise or transition players on February 25th. That's next week and must do so by March 10th. So that's the window. And as I was saying in the intro, which Greg knew that Schrager is going to read this. So he's like, oh, I must be professional and make it clear what these things are. Franchise tag, a one-year guaranteed contract that prevents a player from hitting unrestricted free agency. The salary is based on the five-year average cap percentage for the tag at each position,
Starting point is 00:32:42 stemming from the top five salariesy position at each position. Do you switch up that language each year? Because you've done this like seven-rate time. It feels like I cut and paste. Spice it up a little? They add that. They add that. This is interesting.
Starting point is 00:32:52 The transition tag, it's also a one-year guaranteed contract based on the five-year average cap percentage for the tag at each position. But the transition tag stems from the top 10, not the top five salaries at each position. It's like slightly. The only thing. It's a bit cheaper. Well, the thing that's really interesting this year, and I don't think a lot of people know it because it's never happened before is teams can use a franchise tag and a transition
Starting point is 00:33:17 tag. They made up these strange rules for this final year of the collective bargaining agreement, which is right now. And these rules could even change if the NFL and the players agree in the next couple weeks. I'm not holding my breath for that. So right now, there's three teams in particular. To me, that's like the headline with this whole season. But can I just, before you go on, because Schrager might be listening right now.
Starting point is 00:33:40 And he's like, whoa, Greg has that whole intro setup, but he didn't clearly lay out what the biggest difference is with the transition tag. That's up there. The tag allows players to sign offer sheets with other teams, but the original club has five days to match. So, Pete, hadn't read this yet, but it was listening now. I'm like, how did Greg leave that out? I'm losing respect. Here's Mark coming up the power rankings.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Well, what to be, to be clear, I think Shreger understands the rules on his own. But if Greg didn't, Pete would lose respect for Greg. Why is Mark moving up? But I'd love to do. Well, just by, because you're leaving a void. Like, we're just, you know, it's like Greg suddenly has lost his edge,
Starting point is 00:34:15 so Mark is rising up. Well, let's go through it. Let's just go through it then, the Peter Schrager power rankings. Greg, he's stated, number one, West of football head. So he's probably number two. I would think through my weekly Good Morning football interactions with him and some direct messaging, me and him have gotten to know each other better. So I'm going to put myself in the bronze medal.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Yeah, I don't. What about Erica? Because he's worked with him. He loves Erica. I'm fit. He's stated constantly how she does such great work on the video side of things. and he's a champion of women, Pete. So I would say Eric is four.
Starting point is 00:34:51 And the lone thing that I created for NFL Network Operation Dirtnap confused him on an airplane trip and probably lowered me below fifth. There's probably some other handler behind the glass that he got. Well, he has interacted with some of our shadowy league figures like Mark Brady. Number five, Brady. You know, sometimes because everything I think about him, I seem like a wonderful guy,
Starting point is 00:35:11 but sometimes like when you have, I don't know if I'd call it a friendship, someone that you work with that you just can't get it right every time you interact like you kind of do something wrong that's sort of how the position that I'm in it's going to take a long way to dig out from this I'm on the bottom of an ant hill at this point right you know maybe we can get him out at the company settle this if we can work this out get Peter uh at yeah but it's not worked out until he respects me the most oh you want number one I don't care about third place because you appeared on a morning show I don't think you need to get on the podium dude well it's going to that's what I'm saying there's a lot of work that needs to be done here
Starting point is 00:35:45 Probably my entire career. Getting to number one is too much of a ask, I think. I don't think he's ever going to like you the best. Well, that's the goal, though. I'm just saying I don't care about... You should try to get my spot. If you can get third, you'll be okay. That's not a challenge.
Starting point is 00:35:58 We should have every guest come on, Power Rank us. That'll be great content. All right. Let's get into it. The no-brainers, Greg. Well, I'm going to throw out one idea here. Okay. Kind of an overarching thing that I wish I talked about, you know, when we've,
Starting point is 00:36:14 when we've talked about it elsewhere. It's like there's three teams and they've got some of the biggest names out there that I think this whole using the double tag scenario comes up with and it's pretty fascinating if you just think about how they're going to use it and that's the Titans with Ryan Tannahill and Derek Henry.
Starting point is 00:36:32 That's the Bucks with Shaq Barrett and James Winston and then that's the Cowboys with Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper and all these fans out there, especially the Cowboys fans, probably the Titans too, thinking, oh, we're going to keep these guys, it's not going to be that simple. At this point, it's almost impossible to get these guys signed to a long-term deal.
Starting point is 00:36:50 It happens, but it's really hard. And so then you've got to start making choices. The Cowboys' choice is obvious. You're going to franchise DAC, but that might mean that Amari Cooper's bye-bye. You can't count on the fact that some team out there is not going to just front-load a crazy huge contract for Amari Cooper. And then I think Jerry Jones should be facing some heat from not getting this DAC thing done earlier. I think that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:37:14 And I think Amari Cooper, if he was given the transition tag and left that, that door was open, there will be a team because there's a lot of money to be spent and the cap keeps getting higher. And if you look at the teams that are willing to spend and the teams that need playmakers, he would almost certainly fetch a huge offer. Right. Not almost certainly. He certainly would fetch a huge offer. And then that would put the Cowboys in a spot where we might not even have the option. and you basically then will have chosen DAC over Amari when these guys should have been tied together.
Starting point is 00:37:47 So I'm totally with you that Dallas potentially has put themselves in a position. And Ezekiel Elliott over all of them when they got that done. You basically have until March 10th to try to get a deal done with one of those. And I kind of subscribe to the theory. You should almost, if you're a free agent at this point,
Starting point is 00:38:04 why, you know, and you're actually interested in leaving town? Go to market. Yeah, why not let all these teams bid on you? Like with the Titans, you know, Jerry Jones, deserves critique if that unfolds in that fashion. So I put DAC as a no-brainer, and then I put Amari below, just to be clear and say they'd probably use the transition tag in that scenario. I think the Titans, though, all of this happened to them in the last couple of months.
Starting point is 00:38:25 They didn't know they were going to be in the situation with Ryan Tannahill or even, to some degree, Derek Henry. And Derek Henry, I think, is a tough one to figure out contract-wise as much as any free agent out there. Because do you pay him for what he's been or what you think he'll be three years from now? I agree with you that they just have to probably use both of these options on Tanna Hill and Henry and you also have Jack Conklin if you're them. I put Tana as a no-brainer because you just can't let him leave.
Starting point is 00:38:53 I mean, it's just he finished, you know, his top, you know, number one in yards per attempt, number one in completion percentage, number one in completion percentage over expected, like pretty high in Cuban. You just can't let him leave. So at this point, I think a one-year franchise tag makes sense for them. And then it makes it really interesting. A one-year $10 million contract for Henry, that's what it would be with a transition tag.
Starting point is 00:39:15 That sounds about right if you're the Titans. Sure. But it'd be a great test of, okay, how much are running backs, you know, this conversation we have too much about running back value. This would kind of be the ultimate test of it. Is Derek Henry just out there after the run that he had, will any team sign him to a Todd Gurley like try to deal?
Starting point is 00:39:35 I kind of doubt it. Has it early scared? like no matter what Derek Henry is but he'll get some sort of good deal you would think and then the Titans you know will they give him a monster contract now or are they just kind of happy to go on the one year I would like to see like the next wave
Starting point is 00:39:50 of forget this Levi-on-Bel you know campaign anti-campaign that went totally south like the way that pay them but give running backs like monster two-year deals because they all go bad like none of these things seem to work out and on the Ryan Tantanahill topic I would think I think it'd be equally crazy
Starting point is 00:40:08 he'd give him a long-term deal, making him one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league, or in the top five even. I'm with you. He makes perfect sense to hold it, give him the juicy one-year franchise tag deal. And if you do it again, and you now have nearly two seasons or a season and a half of evidence that he finally turned the corner, then you pay him. Yeah, I agree. And that sort of leaves the bucks as the toughest team to predict.
Starting point is 00:40:35 I think Ian, based on his reporting on air, would disagree with me that I put Shaq Barrett in as the no-brainer because Bruce Ariens is just saying he's not going anywhere. Here's the guy who got a vote or two for a defensive player of the year. I just don't see any scenario where they let him leave. Maybe they can figure out a contract. This is a guy who's been in the league a while and hasn't made a ton of money. Maybe they can actually figure out a long-term deal.
Starting point is 00:40:59 And then you use the franchise tag on James, and that just works out. but if it came down to one or the other I kind of think they may go the Shaq Barrett route and then you put the transition tag on James and you say, okay, is another team out there and just think of the timing of it all because if you put the transition tag out
Starting point is 00:41:18 he still has to wait until he gets into free agency has to wait until March 16th, 18th. Is our team's going to wait around that long and give James Winston a big offer? Come on. Ian seems to think that could happen but I don't know who... But again, what team?
Starting point is 00:41:32 Because we can say there's a huge market for Teddy Bridgewater. What team and what team is going to go down this James Winston trap door? I mean, the other thing about Shaq Barrett, he basically said he would be open to giving the bucks a discount. Now, I don't really believe any of that until it happens. But this stuck with me, he hates moving. He does not want to move. Wait, who is this? Jack Barrett, I read this whole article.
Starting point is 00:41:54 He went off out. He hates relocating. He has a family, all this stuff. He wants to stay in Florida. He wants the tax situation. Oh, yeah. No tax? situation and not be, you know, not taken down a notch.
Starting point is 00:42:04 He doesn't want to get in a caravan and have to move the whole family across the country. So a lot of this is sort of the stars aligning. They believe. Jack Barrett, who I believed in from the beginning, by the way, too. And they believed at him. I don't know if that's true. He fit well with Todd Bulls, the Todd Bowles. The Todd kept his job.
Starting point is 00:42:19 That was good because we were pumping them up pretty good. They finished them very strong. They finished very strong on defense. The bucks for the record, according to overthecap.com, of the fourth highest level of cap space entering the agency another Florida team arc since you're plugged in on this moving thing the dolphins at number one so it would make sense to me given they have a ton of money a ton of dough and given what arian said that shack is going ain't going nowhere just back up the brink's truck pay the dude for the next you know four years and then and then the franchise tag on james yeah that
Starting point is 00:42:54 would i think be the ideal scenario it would be interesting if james had the transition though that's one year $24 million. It's a good way to save some money because I think I agree with Mark that I don't know if he's going to have a robust market, a team that would be willing to give up. It's kind of like a stare down where it's like, you think you can really do better than me? No. And like, can the bucks really do better than James? Probably not.
Starting point is 00:43:14 It's like, you know, they ask us to do these, these hits on NFL now. And, you know, we've been wanting a bigger role, you know, maybe move up in the hour. It's like, no, it just seems like it's a good situation for both. We're the best that they can do. We're available. They're the best we can do You know, it's just fine What a setup it is
Starting point is 00:43:34 Rounding up your no-brainers list So you said Dack, Tannahill Chris Jones The defensive tackle of the Chiefs Justin Simmons Bronco Safety You mentioned Barrett And then AJ Green
Starting point is 00:43:46 I guess we'll see I feel like this is The Bengals are a team That are tough to figure out Now Green said He would be okay With staying with Cincinnati On the franchise tag
Starting point is 00:43:57 The Bengals probably don't want give him a multi-year deal, given his age and injury history. So this kind of makes sense that it would just be a situation where, you know, you do it, pull the trigger. Maybe I'm just like a Patriots fan that was hopeful he would be available. And I think there's a lot of fans out there, Ravens fans, Eagles fans, a lot of teams that need a big, wide receiver thing. Ooh, AJ, I've read these like free agent articles where other beat writers are always projecting. And they always are like, well, you can just sign AJ Green and Chris Jones. It's like, well, it doesn't really usually work that way.
Starting point is 00:44:32 I don't think he's going to be available. Ian really feels strongly. He basically says it's not happening. So I'm just trying to. That he's not getting them. That he's going to get the tag. That he's going to be tagged. He's not going to be available.
Starting point is 00:44:45 That the Bengals keep their guys and they're happy to just. And you know what? Maybe that acts as a preemptive olive branch to Mr. Joe Burrow. Yeah. He's one of the best wide receivers in the last 20 years. How about to your head coach, who didn't have AJ Green all last year in that total dog and pony show that you kept thinking he might come back, he's not coming back. It's like, if Jack Taylor has any power, you have to be able to
Starting point is 00:45:08 suggest that you don't, the Bengals who are allergic to signing anyone in free agency, can you at least keep your own player? Right. They keep their own players better than any team in the league. They are the most homegrown talent team year after year. It's a pretty nice group of players around Joe Burrow. If he gets there, Tyler Boyd, A.J. Green, Joe Mixing. He'll be worse. John Roth, maybe? I would like to see any of their draft picks work out on the offensive line. Their line is just simply not developed. Anything else want to hit on this, Greg, before we move on?
Starting point is 00:45:39 No, I think that's good. Justin Simmons is a tricky one. He fit with what Vic Fangio did, and their defense got a little worse under Fongio. Well, that went to a place. And they're possibly losing Chris Harrier. Derek Wolf Shelby Harris It's like you got to build
Starting point is 00:46:04 Around some people So you should keep You know one of the one difference You know a few difference makers you got All right and I just I like this one because this usually means the guys Are moving on unlikely to be tagged Devin McCordy and Joe Tooney
Starting point is 00:46:17 From the Pats Yvonne Bell The Saints Austin Hooper Falcons tight end Jack Conklin We talked up Byron Jones Dallas cornerbacks
Starting point is 00:46:29 Those are all really good players And usually it means that there's something going on with the team And all of those teams The Falcons don't have a lot of cap room relatively So I think Hooper could actually be available And the Saints don't have a lot of cap room Especially after the Breeze thing So I think Bell could be...
Starting point is 00:46:46 And the Patriots, they just, they don't like using the tag And Joe Tooney, their guard, who's very good I mean, it would cost like $16 million. He's gotten better and better every year. He'll get paid a ton of money. Why aren't they paying him? I know he's going to be overpaid, but that's just the nature of the market. Especially if you're bringing back Tom Brady, you're going to take away one of his best
Starting point is 00:47:06 offensive linemen. That might not be a good match. I don't know. Oh, it's so tricky in New England right now. There's a lot. They have a lot of free. Conklin's kind of getting boxed out for the tags, possibly. I think they could work out a long-term deal.
Starting point is 00:47:19 With Tooney, though, with Conklin, rather. With Tooney, they already paid Shaq Mason, who's their guard. A lot of money. So do you want to be paying two guards? big time. But how do you get to Tom Brady? How do you get him out of whack? How do you cause him to struggle?
Starting point is 00:47:34 Especially this upcoming... Pressure up the middle. Every time. Santa. God, God. Bang. You got to be worried in the post-Dante Scarnetia world. No Dante either?
Starting point is 00:47:45 At the offensive line. Oh, there's so many questions marks. New England. Joe out of Tuney, more like it. Oh. I mean, he's going to make a lot of money. He's going to make a lot of money. Can you imagine Tom Brady trying to move
Starting point is 00:47:58 another nine months from now he's just going to keep getting slower you're not wrong you're loving this there it is Greg you did it 2020 NFL franchise
Starting point is 00:48:13 slash transition tag primer colon no brainer candidates check it out NFL.com slash Rosenthal all right we promised her we promised you
Starting point is 00:48:24 the listener that she would be here and sure enough Erica's on the phone right now connecting with Colleen and now Erica's moving over she seems to be connecting doing something
Starting point is 00:48:40 A lot of buttons They're talking I mean I don't think Nervous Hey Oh Hi We just heard you're nervous
Starting point is 00:48:46 What are you nervous about That was for the listeners Colleen Wolfe What's up? Hello What are you guys doing? Barnstorming another day off of yours Are you okay
Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah, I've just been, like, puzzling for the last five hours. I've got to get out of here. Yeah, the life of Connie in the off-season is a wild. Wait, explain that, please? Doing jigsaw puzzles? Yeah, I'm just puzzled, and I got to finish it. I can't leave before it's finished, so. That's where I am in life.
Starting point is 00:49:16 What's the puzzle image of? It's a bunch of weird, like, animals smiling. Are you okay? Sounds like something else is going on there. but uh all right let's just let's just move forward the connie fox theme song sweepstakes uh i laid it out last week send in a 30 second or less submission a theme song that will introduce colin whenever she's on the show the contest will run through this week so send in your submissions the at n podcast at gmail dot com and erika when i opened up uh the gmail account
Starting point is 00:49:51 this morning i was so happy to see uh incredible amount of entries people are excited about this We had a ton. It was actually pretty cool. A lot of them were really good. So we're going to play a few favorites right now. And Connie, just understand that you, I just thought you would like to be on the phone while we were playing these. Don't think you would need to pass judgment,
Starting point is 00:50:12 but you can if you want, or decide which one you would want it to be, though you can. I just want you to be part of the process. And we're going to figure out a part, the listeners will have a voice, and this room will have a voice, Erica will have a voice and perhaps you as well
Starting point is 00:50:28 but for now it's more just like absorbing some of the ones that stood out amongst the initial batch and if your song is not played today don't think you're out of the running this is more I starred some that I liked and then I said Erica why don't you pick a few that you like so
Starting point is 00:50:43 it's a good sign if you're played today but it doesn't mean you're out just understand that I feel like they're all from Erica did Erica make all of these yeah exactly no but Erica will be posting for our listeners, the puzzle you are putting together on the Around the NFL podcast, Instagram handle where these, these maniacal looking animals, it's frightening, frankly.
Starting point is 00:51:09 And so we'll put that up on it. There is also maybe 20 more pieces until you finish. I feel like you're going to achieve this based on the image. It's many years and decades away, Colleen, but you're going to be a fascinating old person, like an old lady. You're not the first person who told me that. Like you're going to have like wacky glasses
Starting point is 00:51:26 And there's going to be a lot going on Well I can't wait All right Let's hear the song All right Let's hear the first one That Erica selected For today's show
Starting point is 00:51:36 Let's listen in Who is it from I do not disclose that information Oh you don't Yes Okay that's a No that's good Yes
Starting point is 00:51:44 So it's from Erica Yeah essentially an Erica Creation Yeah Okay here we go Her hearts Is big ass Philly She likes to act so silly
Starting point is 00:51:56 We like to call her tiny box Tiny box, tiny box, tiny box I have four words to make your Cutty Box is here, cutty boxes here The history is rich for Cutty Box is here in under a 30 too. Really breaks down nice.
Starting point is 00:52:25 And it fades out on a guitar solo. It's like it's Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah, no involved. I love that one. Bouncy, melodic. That one is very strong. What else? Let's hear another one.
Starting point is 00:52:38 I'm lazy. I would hear that and just be like, okay, that's it. Here we go. Marks is ready to go Wow, Mark, your mood is The mood is different than I was expecting for most of these entries, but it feels like a lot of drug-induced inspiration there, a slow motion, more slow motion entry.
Starting point is 00:53:24 I enjoyed it. I liked the end when it went. Yeah, good production. I wanted another one of those. Good production. Lyricism, not as strong. Maybe not as strong. I agree with you, but it did take me somewhere as Mark is.
Starting point is 00:53:35 It had like some St. Lucia vibes. Yes, it did. Yep. That's good. I appreciate it. Erica, you like that one? Yeah, that one's good. Yeah, solid.
Starting point is 00:53:42 All right. Let's hear another one. you're in a tough city the tiniest box that you ever did see starring on every show on your TV Highing at the moon She'll be rich a famous soon
Starting point is 00:54:10 She's in a 40 All-A Miss Connie Furn I like how that one ended Like an 80s sitcom theme good strong lyrics i love the she'll be rich or famous soon in that lyric right that could get out of date you know which one she preferred right that could get out of date quick i would say it already has um but you know in three four years that will that hold up you know when she is one thing i did
Starting point is 00:54:38 notice gregg makes a good point there that so colline famously on last week's shows she'd rather be famous than rich and i did happen to notice a lot of the entries worked that into the lyrics and that is a risk and I think the people that win this contest or the person that wins the contest it might be someone that takes a look at it from a broader viewpoint of her seven years on the show yeah not just on the pet it not the newest information available and have it be timeless right right right that that's what colin cares about is just fame uh I don't know maybe we don't know it's too soon to say all right we got two left here we go let's hear another one oh I like
Starting point is 00:55:20 that's good said you wanted a theme song so I made you a rap at least I know that Greg will like this even if it is crap let's get serious now because we talk in Colleen host of Thursday night football Philadelphia Queen you say the history is rich
Starting point is 00:55:36 but you'd rather be famous ever since TNF you think this podcast is heinous but don't worry Colleen because I still wish you well but you ain't a hero no more just upon a gad Oh, that one turned into a disc track. Dropping a hammer. Well, that's definitely going to be played again at some point.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Well, I'm glad that went full heel so that we could summarily dismiss that terrible rapping. I mean, we're not going to listen to that ever on repeat. Greg was so disappointed when the vocal came in. No, I don't like that he's coming after Colleen, so now we can just speak the truth that this does not speak well for our listeners that someone would have that poor of a flow.
Starting point is 00:56:20 I did not feel that strongly against this person. That's not mean. He's coming after her. I think it was all in fun, first of all. Did it hurt your feelings? It said a pond of Godell. It said a pawn of Godell. I kind of feel like this person really knows me
Starting point is 00:56:34 because they know that I'm a masochist and they know that I would actually like that in a weird way. I mean, there's no way he finished taping that and was like nailed it. You know, that really can wrap. I think I wouldn't say he's gifted in terms of the flow as a rapper. But I will say that in the history and the rich, the history is rich of hip-hop culture,
Starting point is 00:56:59 the disc track is sometimes a sign of respect. And that's why I think that was a nod to. Came out of left field in a good way. That's how I'm taking it, respect. Tell that to cannabis and L.L. Cooge. Not a lot of respect between those two. All right. Last one.
Starting point is 00:57:15 I think Cannabis said that L.L. Coolj, 95% of his fans wore high heels. And then L.L. CoolJay comes back and says 95% of your fans don't exist, which is pretty good. Ladies love Cool J. Should never take it the Grammys away from him. All right, here we go. All right, last one. Mm, like that.
Starting point is 00:57:39 6.6.6 buried this baby. Yeah. Tell this up, man, for a wolf, there's a wolf, there's a wolf, can't blow your house down. There's a wolf, there's a wolf, there's a wolf, can't blow your house down. Don't mess with her. Don't do it, nah, don't do it, nah, don't do it stupid. That's pretty good That's pretty good And I would love
Starting point is 00:58:23 If that was taking a totally different angle on I love it The title of that is There's a wolf parenthesis stupid I kind of like Although it's not in this gentleman's version I like just hearing Colleen cackling Over the
Starting point is 00:58:38 Yeah, we should work that in I don't know if you're allowed to use the mother goose lyrics as freely as he does but I'm assuming that's past copyright at this point. You know, and that does remind me, we did get a bunch of submissions that were either taking the melody of a different song
Starting point is 00:58:53 or just using the beat outright. No, no, they all have to be original compositions. The way he did it, though, was good. You can do that. Yeah, I feel like there could be different calling songs at, like, one in the morning. She's, like, roaming down the street. Like, that's plain.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Not one of the first more... That's nighttime, sugar and sweet one. That's the puzzle is built, and now Connie's got... She's built that puzzle. I know we're not choosing today, I think we had two particularly strong. The first and the last entries we heard today were both fantastic. Yeah, the bookends were my favorite.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Like, I might add those to my airport playlist, so then when I'm walking through TSA, they know what's up. Okay, I'm on board with you on the first and last as maybe the early favorites. Note a bit. And, Erica, we'll figure this out how we want to work it out, but we can whittle the list down essentially to maybe five choices. Cool. But let's move the first song and the fifth song.
Starting point is 00:59:45 into the voting process and maybe we're not sure yet maybe one of those other songs will make the finals as well for a voting process but that's good to know Colleen. You think the distraction had been
Starting point is 00:59:57 I'm with you I'm with Colleen. I am too. I'm with Colleen. But we have to listen to it and it just was unfeeled. I know but Greg you have a particular issue with it that I don't think the rest of the group necessarily feels.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Not even Colleen. That's fine. But you want the person killed. I'm not sure I feel that strongly. It doesn't. speak well for our listenership if that's what we choose. All right. We'll speak privately about this.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Something so unmusical. It was set up with like a rap thing. You want to have it be good music, right? I think Greg likes rap and he's hitting out a little bit against that as well. If it's going to be a rap song, it's got to be better than that. Immediately I thought, oh, let's just quietly bury this. But then he buried Colleen and it was open season for me to just. I just posted the photo of your puzzle, Colleen,
Starting point is 01:00:45 Instagram, and I made the caption, only diehard fans will get it, but the podcast hasn't gone out yet, so I'm interested to see people's comments being like, ha ha, like, it should be interesting. Oh, it's almost done. I've almost finished it during this call. I hope so. You had like 12 pieces left. What a life, the life of Connie. Again, if you had a submission, if you have a submission, you want to send in. You have to do it by close the business Friday. It has to be 30 seconds or less. It has to be an original composition. And as we said, having the history is rich with Colleen. and if you want to lyrically work in some different elements from her past, don't just focus it all on what's happened in the past week.
Starting point is 01:01:22 But that's really up to you. No mention of Gonzo in any of those. But then again, it feels like a miss-op. Right. But it also doesn't have to be like a history of her. The last one went on a totally esoteric level, and it worked beautifully. That's true. That's very true.
Starting point is 01:01:36 This is a really strong first round. The ATN podcast at gmail.com if you want to submit us up. Are you getting other letters in that? I mean, other people. We are there people that are using this to connect with us in other ways. And with all due respect, that's not what this is about. So maybe we'll keep, we're going to keep that Gmail open in perpetuity. And if you want to connect with us, Erica will comb through that on a daily basis.
Starting point is 01:01:58 I'm going to add that to her workflow. Great. But for now, we're only focusing on songs. All right. Colleen, thank you for your time. I know you're very busy. So the fact that you can carve out these 10 minutes is it really, once again, tells us a lot about you as a woman.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Anything for you guys. The fact that you're rich and famous enough now to call in to our show is a big step. Will we get her back in the studio? Will we get her back in the studio? Well, that's, see again, Greg, you're connecting on the, uh, this track. Yeah. That she's no longer a hero. She's a, what is a, a pawn of Godell.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Yeah. I think you can't handle the truth of that's, that song. Are we sure Greg didn't make that one? Yeah. Yeah. The man doth protest too much. All right, let's get out of here. Thank you, Connie.
Starting point is 01:02:48 All right. Bye, guys. Bye. All right. We'll be back on Thursday. I think Wes will be back with us too, right? That's right. Excellent.
Starting point is 01:02:57 And then starting next week, well, we're heading to the combine next week. Right. Unbelievable. It just happens. The wheel keeps turning. There is an extra week this year between the end of the Super Bowl and the start of free agency. Good. I wish there were an extra 12.
Starting point is 01:03:15 It's a little more stretched out. That's what they're going for. Before our time of this company is through, that dead period in June into July, that won't exist. They'll figure something out. That could be a deal breaker in my world. All right.
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