NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Franchise Tags and Tom Curran on Tom Brady's Tough Sitch

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling bring you all of the latest news around the NFL including Ngakoue wanting out of Jacksonville (9:00), the Bengals plan with A.J. Green (13:29), and the Edelman and Brady courtside drama(35:33) . Patriots Insider Tom Curran comes on the show to discuss Tom Brady's future. (38:31)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wessling, and Greg Roosevelt. What is up, please? Hey, Dan. Intermitt investing. I.F. People speak highly of it. They do. Kind of a tough sit for the old Zeus, the old giving up a whole meal and all that stuff.

I struggle with that. I've got to be honest with you. Well, we know Greg would never do that. He's on a firm time schedule for eating. I mean, we only have so many days left, so many meals left. We're just going to miss them? Miss those opportunities? It gets to be like 642 and Greg starts twitching.

I wouldn't peg Greg as needing it either. It's a weight loss and health management scenario overall. They seem extremely balanced and healthy. Love you, bro. What was that? Oh, here we go. I could be in better shape, that's for sure. We all could.

Hey, that's the season. What are we calling it? It's body quest season. Body quest. Absolutely. We're all on the body quest. Yep. What do we got coming up?

Already involved in it. Sign up for a gym membership. Gym membership. Yeah. Nice. Wes, you have a baby on the way and you have sawpaw season coming, which I know, I hope that you'll be a part of. Got to get the bod right. Got to get the bod tight.

All of this is true. Yes. I do. I have some work to do in the bod tightening department. Greg, you're deeper into your 40s now. If you want to continue to do your runs, you just got. I am looking to mix it up because I don't know if you've heard about this. Runs are the most boring thing I ever made.

And not good for you, they say. The pounding on the pave. Yeah, too much of it. Tough stitch on the joints after a while. Depends on the surface. You could go to a track with a more spongy surface. You're right. Too much of it's bad.

A couple things. Obviously, we are back. Well, not obviously. I mean, there's nothing as a listener that you could tell the difference. We are back from Indianapolis. We're in Los Angeles. And it was a great time of the combine. I thought I got the vibe, and Mark, you and I went out with some colleagues on Wednesday night before we flew out on Thursday, and we were out the night before Tuesday as well.

I had never seen Indies so on fire, and I mean, without, again, putting anybody's name out there, the coaches are flying, you got scouts, you got some GMs hanging around. People were out and looking to get at it. I talked to one person in the know, little Peter King, that this is the coach's favorite week of the year, is that indie week? Well, at the owner's meetings, and I'm sure this is enjoyable for them, too, but they often bring their entire families. And so there's a lot of extra stuff to do and probably some boundaries put around them on some level. At the combine, I sense to what you're saying, no boundaries on anyone.

And it's one of those, it was one combine. I don't really remember one like this, where afterwards we were on a, a text thread multiple investigative texts of our own and what we all got up stories on top of stories and actually happened try to unpack it all it was pretty dense with memorable moments let's put it that way i had a lot of favorite memories from the wednesday night but the one that stands out to me the most vivid is we're at the famous bar hangout area prime in indie and Mark's next to me and I think I'm kind of in the middle of a conversation or maybe looking down at my phone and then I hear Marco and there's an exact quote

because I wrote it my phone exactly at the moment let's make some way for my man and then Mark lands his hand on this guy's shoulder in a really familiar way it's a very crowded room so I was doing him a favor and then Sean Peyton swings his head up and then looks over at Mark and me expecting to see someone he knows very well but it's my man What I did was, and we didn't stop him. We didn't stop him. I mean, you were helping him. I formed a corridor for him to get through it.

If you've been in prime, it is highly annoying. And Sean Peyton is not six foot 10, like some of these people roaming around the room. So it was like, let's make a corridor for the guy. I would call it a smile, but it was kind of like a little bit surprised, a little bewildered. He's like, am I your man? Well, I've had three or four interactions with Sean Payton, and they're all about that way in various settings. I think one more, yeah, that could be a problem. Next time you see you might even say,

love you, bro. I've seen several coaches give Mark that look. Well, listen, you only have a short amount. As Greg says, there's only so many days left to eat yogurt at a certain time and talk to coaches. Not into yogurt. John Lynch gave you that look. I thought for very fair reason.

While you were wearing a bathrobe walking through the whole. talk about Mark, Mark and I had, Greg, you were out with some other friends. Wes, I think you took it easy on Wednesday night. At this point in my life, I'm like a veteran NBA player. You just can't expect back-to-back. Back-to-backs is that. I'm on lobe management. Yeah, no, I get that.

I totally get that. But Mark maybe is on the same age as you, performance enhancers perhaps, that he's able to do these back-to-back. Well, Mark has taken quite a bit of time off lately, so he may be, like, rested and ready to go. What does that mean? Well, you're like Jordan after he went away from the game. Right.

You had your dalliance with baseball for like the last eight months. I've been going at it. Yeah, I think it's true. And I also think, Wes, you were an all-star one of the nights. I had quite a time with you. That was the major factor for why I could deliver. I could not make it the second night. But that, yeah, the night out, we ended up at a party that was a more kind of exclusive affair.

There were in-depth conversations with certain head coaches, which you can't be shared here. But it was a good one. Combine week, fun week. It was. Got out just in time, I feel like. All right. A lot coming to you guys, the listeners. Tom Kern, who is super plugged in,

great New England sports guy. He works for NBC Sports Boston. With all this Tom Brady stuff swirling, we wanted to get somebody in the know just to have a conversation about what's going on this weekend and throughout Combine Week, brought some reports.

ESPN's Jeff Darlington, our former colleague comes to mind that I think Darlington's wording was pretty strong that he'd be surprised if Tom Brady's back with the Patriots. Shocked, even stronger than I remembered. And Tom Brady's agent was an indie doing the rounds, meeting with teams.

So, you know, I remember kind of throwing it out there to you, Greg, back in early November, and you dismissed it, and that's not saying that you were wrong or right or whatever. But even then, I said it more just to kind of, you know, get you fired up a little bit. But are you surprised where we are now that the kind of tenor of...

It dismissed what? That he would ever leave, that he was leaving. Like, oh, stop it. It was one of those Greg responses. It was more that we didn't know anything then. I've kind of been open that I think it'd be interesting to start a new chapter with him. I don't know.

I don't think anyone knows. I don't have a hard... Well, Tom Curran is plugged in up there. So we're going to talk to Tom all about it. But before we do that, how about some news? You hear about Carl? That's terrible. Why would somebody do something like that?

Well, it was the Jets. My God. He just couldn't take it. It ate him up inside. What a catastrophe. I know last year started with such promise than Donald gets Mato. Season's over by game three. I'm talking about his widow Veronica, his family.

That's a catastrophe. Oh, of course. The latest episode of Curb, Your Enthusiasm, I got about 47 tweets this morning. Did you see Curb last night? I hadn't, but I went back and watched it. it. And basically the hook of the episode is that one of his golfing buddies, who, like Larry David in real life, Larry on the show is also a big Jets fan. And the guy, because of the Jets dysfunction and struggles, ends his life. And Larry knew this, knew why he actually did it. And the hole. How deep does it go and how far does it show Larry David's jet fan bona fides? A big part of the end of the episode revolves around Austin Savarian Jenkins' Jenkins' touchdown. fumble controversy against the Patriots about four years ago. Wow.

And a fury about that. So check it out if you're a Jetsman or an NFL fan because it's very funny. Somehow that show is still incredible. I think it's the best season in half a decade, although I cannot get my HBO device to load. And so I could not watch it. I tried to start it 47 times last night and finally gave up. Tough sitch. Wi-Fi issue.

Maybe. Let's get to some NFL news. We'll start with the Jacksonville. Jaguars, who have a decision to make it, it appears. Yannick and Gakwe, he doesn't want to play with the Jags anymore. And he tweeted Monday morning that he has no interest in a long-term deal in Jacksonville. He wrote that the Jaguars are aware of this. Duval, I love you and gave you guys everything I got.

I'm thankful for the journey and look forward to continuing my career elsewhere. Now, that doesn't mean he's gone, though, Chris Wesleyan, because the team. team, according to Rapsheet, plans to use the franchise tag on Ingaquay. So he might not want to be around, but it doesn't mean the Jaguars have to trade him. Or do they? They just went through this with a Star Defender with Jalen Ramsey. Do they hold the cards or do they not hold the cards? Anytime you can wield the franchise tag, you hold the cards.

But this is a franchise with cap issues. This may be one of the three or four worst. they're in maybe worse shape than all but three or four franchises in the NFL, maybe even worse than that. They don't have that much talent on their roster, and yet they're up against the cap, even though they have a quarterback making peanuts. How does that happen?

Well, because they have another quarterback not making peanuts who isn't going to play for them probably much this year. Nick Foles, who knows maybe they trade him away for nothing. But to your point, Wes, how do you draft in Gokwe and Jalen Ramsey and who am I forgetting about that was a good Jaguars draft pick that they've lost over the last couple of years. I mean, they've won about at the lowest rate of any team in the NFL except for one year for seven years.

And they haven't developed their homegrown players. And it's very rare you see like such an obvious response from sources that Ngakwe tweeted this out this morning. And literally three minutes later, Adam Schefter had a team source from the Jaguar saying they were going to train him. That was the timeline. It was like, oh, that's okay. You know, he's saying that, but every team out there know that we're going to use

this tag because we want to at least trade them. They also lost Telvin Smith to a somewhat surprising retirement. And, you know, their core is gone. Their defense, remember, it seemed like every preview show we were tracking this abominable run defense down the stretch that was giving up like 219 yards a game. And, you know, they got rid of some of the people making the decisions. And they kept Doug Maroon. and I have to wonder when you...

Dave Caldwell, it's been in a whole time. But when you hear Naguqwe say, I just don't want to be part of this organization. There's a lot of vestiges of old issues. And Mike Yarfellow talked about, you know, Nagu Knaugue and the Jaguars, the contract talks, if they've ever even been around, have been contentious.

So, you know, I don't know what you do unless you're going to keep for one year. You sign and trade him if you can. But if you're him, you're stuck playing in a contract year, again, where you want to go, you're making good money. What is it, 195? But any sort of injury late season mess is. up your future. Alan Robinson was the guy I was trying to think of,

who was a true number one receiver who they developed. They can open up some more money by cutting A.J. Boyer, which might happen, but they've had a lot of swing and misses like Andrew Norwell. And I don't think he'll be that hard to trade. He'll be expensive to get, but if you can trade Frank Clark on the tag, which is the case what happened last year, right? If you can trade D. Ford and both of those guys, whether they were on the tag or not, Ford's timing was different, costs a pick.

and a big contract. In Gakway, to me, seems almost exactly in their tier of player, and someone's going to give up, I think, a second or third round pick, whatever it's going to be, and a big contract. Or more than that. I think he could get a first maybe, considering his age, he's not yet 25 years old. It's just tricky because you've got to give, what, 60 million guaranteed in 20 plus a year, too. So it's just, like, really expensive.

But some team, there's too much cap space. I'm going to say it a million times. Like, you've got to spend the cap space. Use it. I think the one thing that Greg has said about the Jaguars, that is the seed of so many of these issues is when they took Leonard Fournett a running back over their choice of quarterback X, Y, or Z who could have changed the organization.

Third round pick in Gacquay, they've had some swings and misses, but he was not one of them. He's actually at 37 and a half sacks in four seasons with the Jaguars. He's actually closing in on the team's sack record all time. Wow. And you know what? He ain't going to be around much longer, sounds like. In other news, speaking of guys and the franchise tag and what's their future, I don't know.

A.J. Green and the Cincinnati Bengals seem to be at an impasse. The Bengals currently plan to use the franchise tag on the wide receiver. Sources tell ESPN's Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler. The Bengals want Green in Cincinnati in 2020. And the tag, again, is good scratch. People saying scratch anymore? I don't know. First I've heard scratch in a long time.

He would be getting that bag. Is that good? That's nice. Greg, you listen to the hip-hop. Give me a good term. I mean, getting that bag just doesn't really. Get that bag, young man. Just confusing, too.

Well, we're just too old for that. I know. It's fine. It's fine. You can say. The tag is estimated to be worth around 18 and a half million. Yeah, there's got to be a middle ground. You're in a weird purgatory.

Too young for scratch, too old for a bag. I'm a man without a country. 18 and a half million would be his franchise number The sides have until July 15th To reach a long-term deal You can start tagging dudes on Thursday So this is all happening right now Anyway, Green turns 32 in July

He hasn't played much in two years, Greg Makes sense as a short-term guy For Cincinnati with a new quarterback coming in But again, will he use his leverage To try to make a deal to get out of there? It sounds like he won't because he did say publicly He would be fine with the franchise tag earlier I mean, how much leverage does he have a 32 coming off and completely missing?

Yeah, I think that's part of it too. And I don't, he's never been someone who's complained about being on the Bengals or said that he's been treated poorly or says that ownership is a problem. He's always said he's liked his experience there, to be fair. And that offense, I feel like we've overhyped some Bengals' offenses over the year. No. But Joe Burrow, Mixing, Green, Bull. Royd, Ross.

Well, if Joe Burrow can play. Isn't that everything just hinges on that? Yeah, but I'm in on wanting to watch them week one. You know, it can be fun. Now, an offensive line that gave up that was responsible for more sacks than any line in the league? That's a problem. They're getting a little healthier along the line, too. I'm assuming the coaching staff is talented.

I didn't see a hint of that last year. And they have, they, they, sorry. No, you're right. Why are you assuming it then? Well, because it's like, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, because it seemed like, A, it's the Bengals, and you're not getting a lot of support hitting the ground as a first year staff to begin with.

You lost AJ Green all year. You got stuck in an Andy Dalton scenario where you benched him for someone even more milk toast. So it's like I, they didn't. Well, it's a young coaching staff of guys with not a pedigree of winning, so it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. He showed a little something very late, but man, they were.

Just not writing them off yet. They were so big. What am I? What am I? You want to see them week one? Go ahead. I will allow you to do that. Might be Bengals Browns. Browns aren't getting that, you know, nice week one on CBS treatment. I don't need. I don't need last year.

They might have Don Cricky with the CBS 5th team. Beasley Reese. Give me Cricky. Mark, welcome back. Welcome back to my corner from last year. You're back in the 10 a.m. Sunday window on the West Coast over and over again. But I think you know that I don't. I am fine with this. Yeah, yeah. Back to let's prove something before we're, you know, much Ballyhooed and thrown in front of like Tony Romo getting massacred.

week one. It's called the total night. The Spirodetus zone. That's fine. Speaking of Andy Dalton, you know, this is a crazy year. We will never, we can work here another 10 years. I don't know if the offseason will ever feature this many name brand quarterbacks just completely kind of even a twisting in the wind or there being some

type of, you know, doubt about their future with their current team. It's pretty wild. And Dalton is one of those names out there. He's obviously not long for Cincinnati. where will he go? Well, according to Rapsheet, three potential suitors for the long-time starting QB have emerged, including the Chicago Bears,

the Indianapolis Colts, and the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots! Of course, the Bears, on that topic, they put their faith behind Mitch Trubisky at the end of the season. But as Combine Week rolled on, you started to hear the expected whispers that, yeah, we're not cutting Mitch Trubisky, but we'll be damned if he's going to be the guy that we live and die with in 2020.

By the way, I asked directly Matt Nagy this last week. I said, are you going to go the Tannahill route? What was his response? I don't think he answered me, as I recall. Probably smart. Didn't get an answer. I was the enemy. We're only a couple years away from Shaq's annual.

Why can't we find out of 7 billion people on earth 32 to play quarterback? And now for the first time, since I remember following football, we've got more quarterbacks than chairs in the game of musical chairs. There are too many starting quarterbacks in the NFL now. I mean, if this list of teams that Ian threw out there, and it's early, I don't think Dalton is any of these teams first choice. If he was in Chicago, he'd obviously be the backup. If it was with the Colts or the Patriots,

maybe he's kind of a fallback plan depending on what else happens. But it's still great news. Randy Dalton. I mean, these are great, these are good, these are upgrades from the Bengals. His chances of starting, you know, meaningful December games are in the playoffs, it has gone up because I think he's going to have a chance to be either a backup or on a team that's competitive. The Patriots thing is weird that's been thrown out there by a number of people. I don't know if this is wishful thinking from Dalton. I don't think it's coming from the Patriots side at this point. But I don't know. There's something

counterintuitive about me, though. I would like a little like Andy Dalton starting the playoff game. I could kind of see Dalton fitting with the Patriots. I really could. I could just see, not I'm not saying like it's a four-year relationship, but that that's a possibility. Did you say that you felt like he would be a backup in Chicago? To start the year, yes.

Because they keep saying week one. You think we're going to get through training camp where that would be the case? Yeah, I do. If he was with Chicago, I think they would give Chubisky that two, they would give him like three weeks to mess it up. at the beginning of the season. I just, my head is filled with visions of, like, that critical week three preseason game where Dalton goes, you know, 10 for 12, 198 with a touchdown,

and Mitchell Trebisky throws two ugly interceptions and fumbles the ball. I don't know if we need to wait until mid-September to make the switch there. Yeah, I don't know how you feel strongly either way. If they go into camp and Trubisky plays like he has the last two years, I think you'd have to go into the season with Dalton as your career. It would be, I would be excited. to see, it would be like Andy Dalton carrying the hopes of Cincinnati on his back. It's like if they can't win a playoff game, at least Andy Dalton,

at least someone from those Marvin Lewis teams could do it. Great job. You know? Chopping it up just now for 97 seconds because it allowed me to go through the whole league and figure out every quarterback that either has some uncertainty or, you know, doesn't have a job right now. There's only one division by my quick scanning that is unaffected. by this whole situation right now. It's the NFC West.

Grappolo, Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, and Kyler Murray. And pro football, that keeps throwing out headlines like that Jimmy G. Tom Brady buzz will not die down. So they, they, you want me to put them on the list? No. All right, I'll have those clicks. All right. Here's the list. Tom Brady, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannahill, Jake Brisket, Nick Foles,

Joe Flacco, Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Dwayne Haskins, Mitch Trubisky, Matthew Stafford? Teddy Bridgewater, James Winston, Cam Newton. All guys with some level of doubt slash indecision. I mean, you know, we don't know where they could be. That's crazy. It's crazy. And we've got this extra week here.

This is what's happening this week. We got three shows. If there's no new CBA and who knows what we're going to talk. It keeps being the same topics over and over because the NFL added a week here this offseason. Very quietly, Dan. You've been on top of this. You've been talking about pushing that you wanted to keep pushing the off season out, like get in the way of other sports. I didn't say I was.

But like that's a, this is like a purgatory week here that we normally didn't have. We still have two weeks left till free agency. Way back, free agency would happen right after the combine. Then they added one week. And now it's two full weeks of just kind of build up. And especially because there's no CBA, I think teams are just kind of waiting to see what happens with that. From another angle could have done, you know, with a, with a. lower level of news to discuss and kind of, you know, scurrying around to figure out

what to do with the extra fill in time. Could have done two shows. Could have been at the sea today or the ocean. Could have been. And I'll throw this out of here again. We've talked about it before. Why not have the draft next week and then free agency last week, April? Doesn't that just make more sense?

Or just do free agency the week after. Well, that goes against, Bill. You know, they want to own the whole calendar. If anything, I think they'd push the draft back further. It is interesting. NBA fans always want their free agency and draft flipped because they go the way that you're suggesting where the draft is before free agency, whereas NFL fans often want it flipped the other way. So maybe just people just aren't going to be happy no matter what.

NBA heads, they just, they will not shut up. They're like, oh, there is no offseason in the NBA. Look how they're owning the sports world. It's like, all right, calm down. Nobody's watching your games. Calm down. Whoa. Have you seen their ratings?

They do have a long season. They do have a long season, followed immediately by the draft and free agency. They do have, like, just a long calendar. Let's work on developing a regular season of any meaning at all. We have a... The NBA is struggling on that. We have an anchorman-style street fight scheduled with the starters, those guys from NBA. They're just going to, like, whoever wins, you know, we'll decide what's better.

And then we have to, are we suddenly covering the NBA? If we were to thoroughly beat them down and remove them from... What, to the point where they couldn't function anymore? I mean, what are we, that sounds just like a lot more work in a second. That's not what I was thinking. Okay. No, it wasn't like an invasion of Poland type thing, like where we would take over the whole. No, that's not what I was saying.

Just in an old school fight. Okay. Tony Romo, that's the big domino. Forget about all that other stuff. He is staying at CBS and he is making some loot. That's good. Works. Give me the loot.

Do? Greenbacks? Greenbacks? Sawbuck. Whompum? Saubbuck. Womp? Scratch.

I don't even get sawbucks. I'm sure someone will tweet me. I looked it up in a dictionary and this is what it means. Is that your Greg voice? No, it's like, you know, it's like whenever you have any open questions, you're going to get, like, people. It was his Greg voice, too. People tweeting at you. It's like, I figured out what the word is.

It's just like the annoying voice. It's not. It was not. name to Greg at all. Yes, CBS and Tony Romo have agreed to a multi-year contract worth approximately, wait for it, $17 million per season. Rap Sheep reported a bunch of other people had it, including the New York Post, which was first to report the news.

The deal, okay, a couple things. First of all, it like triples his previous salary. It is more money than I think he ever made any time as a player. I think he averaged $9 million a year in his time of the Cowboys. Now he's making $17. The thing that you could, in terms of a comparison point, similar situation with John Madden back in 93 when he signed with Fox and he was making more than any player in the league,

that's not Romo here. But $17 million is astronomical and it will have fallout on that entire industry. You'd imagine, you know, Troy Aikman's probably going to be looking for some money now. Like if Troy, what's Troy Aikman making right now? $7 million a year, $6 million a year? Is Tony Romo $11 million dollars better than Troy Aikman, Wes? He's in a category by himself. You're worth what people are, the market's willing to pay you.

Well, that's for sure. And I've read a lot about this just because the whole thing has been interesting to me. And one of the things that worked out for him beautifully, timing-wise, was, first of all, the brevity of the previous contract. And then the fact that they are, you know, they have the rights negotiations coming up for the net. networks to decide who's going to cover NFL games. And CBS is a broadcast network, as anybody that's following media knows, and just, you know, if you're alive, the broadcast is no longer king, broadcast channels. They don't have the carry and the wealth they used to have compared to some of these cable and Netflix and Disney and all that stuff. And what CBS does here is they make an investment saying, listen, we might not be the powerhouse we used to be in terms of.

of as a network. But we have Tony Romo. So the deal goes through three years at the minimum, and then the rights deal comes. And if they do re-up and CBS keeps football, it ends up lasting, I believe, 10 years in total, at which point, I don't know, 17 times 10.

You're a man, carrying 170 million. I mean, I don't know if it's a bargain, but it's fine. It's not, it's more than worth it. Well, that's true, too. But, like, if you found out that Tom Selleck was making, you know, $5, $6 million a year on Blue Bloods on CBS, people would be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense for Selleck.

People love Blue Bloods. Yeah. It's like, it's the number one show on TV by far. Blue Bloods is buried. You know, it's like if you wouldn't, you wouldn't comment. Blue Bloods does well. I think they're like in season seven. That's what I'm saying.

They're doing a nice job over there. But it's like CBS. You know, football dwarfs it. It's the number one show, so you pay your number one... You're number one actor. If there's even like a half of 1% scenario where CBS doesn't get football, though, and then we have lost Tony Romo to essentially like two or three months of golf a year, that would be problematic.

Friends actors made, what, a million an episode? You're telling me Romo's not worth a million a game? Yeah, I'm not arguing with you. Michael Thomas is arguing with it. You know, what did Michael Thomas say with? Michael Thomas basically said nobody who's calling the game should make more than anybody who's playing, the games to which I would say give me a break. You're chasing a bag

of wind around the park. Why can't a guy talking about you chasing a bag of wind around the park make as much money as you? Whatever the market will bear is what happened. Mike, what are we doing? None of you are brain surgeons. The person announcing the game has the ability to take a very dull boring game and add some life and interest

to it. That's not something like... Plus there's only one Romo. There's another 50 players probably that are making between what Romo makes and whatever the number two guy makes. So it's not like that. There's a lot of Romo. Mikey Thomas, come back to us.

Are you paying attention to the most lucrative route for a post-playing career? It's going into the booth or going to a studio and being an analyst. Tony Romo just reset the entire market. You should be celebrating the man.

When he's 40, Michael Thomas won't feel this way. Greg Olson. He's 34. Mark Ingram was on our coverage all weekend. I mean, it's like they're planning their post careers. There was this one report

from Andrew Marchan at the New York Post that before signing Romo to the full deal, CBS offered Peyton Manning Romo's job. Have you seen this? CBS did that preemptively? That they were concerned that they weren't going to get it or have to pay too much because of the stuff you're talking about money-wise that I'm not, this is coming from New York Post.

They thought he might leave for ESPN. If he left, they needed to have somebody because the number two guy, and we love him, the bird in the beard. But Dan Fouts, he's not bringing what Romo brings. So they would have had to find someone to make a splash to again make them enticing come re-up time. Also, ESPN, people have to be happy about this. Yeah, if you're on Monday Night Football too and you're part of that production, it is disquieting and, you know, not that this would become as a huge shock.

There were some issues with that production we know. But that, you know, your own company is just went all out to try to get someone other than you to headline your show. It's just not a great feeling in any job, any industry, any industry, any relationship. I can't imagine why you'd want that. Did you say you think ESPN is happy about this? No, I'm saying some people that work at ESPN. That maybe are thinking they would have

incumbents, if you will. Yeah, to have the job. At that job, yeah. And yet, well, you know, like Mark's saying, that's a tough situation, though, tough sitch. Because now they know you actively were trying to replace them. Like, at what point? But they'd have to know that anyone would be going up to Tony Romo's in a

Bruce Aryan situation where they're like openly, you know, talking trash about. about James Winston or talking about other people. But we're all, we've documented this almost weekly on this show since the end of the season. We're all very happy that Tony is at CBS. You stay together for the kids and you stay with your boy, Jimmy Nance. Good news for football. I'm happy for Jim.

He's one of the biggest winners. Jim Nance finally catches a break. 50% off everything at Vineyard Vines to celebrate Tony Romo's extension. Um, oh, this is, I just want to hit on this quickly just because it's, it's funny to me. And it does everyone take everything with a grain of salt when you hit all these reports about where people could be going, who's talking to who, where someone's likely to land in free agency. Because we're still a bit off. How long until free agency kicks off? Three weeks.

Two weeks. It's a lot of time. That's forever in football terms. So yesterday, good example. Jack Conklin, former first round pick, right tackle of the Titans. he's hitting the market, and Mike Floreo, PFT reported that Conklin is expected to sign with the Jets. The Jets's obviously a team that need. Although he didn't say expected, to be fair to Mike, wrote a world.

This is happening now with like a game of, you know, telephone. They wrote his expected. They just, he said that he had one source that one team expected that thought, you know, Conklin was going to the Jets. Okay. So Floreo had a source saying one team thought Conklin. who's going to New York. That sits out there for about three or four hours.

It gets aggregated across the land. Everyone now assuming that Conklin's locked in as the Jets' right tackle as they begin their rebuild there. And then ESPN's Adam Schaefter at about, yeah, about two and a half hours later reports that impending free agent, a right tackle Jack Conklin is not expected to sign with the Jets. And not only is he, so we had the Florio kind of report that said he was going to sign with the Jets.

Yeah, it said one NFL team has been informed that Conklin plans to sign with the Jets. Right. That was his report. Shepters wasn't just like actually Conklin's market is still fluid. Nobody didn't know. It was actually the report that Conklin has going to have many suitors, but the Jets are not on his list.

Wait, really? Yeah, I read that yesterday. So it was like the exact opposite spectrum, and it all happened within three hours. Grain of salt, keep that in mind. Keep your head on a swivel. He is not expected to land with the offensive line-needed jets. that's what was in Schefter's tweet.

I mean, that feels like also when you're at that last day of the combine, and I know you can just text everyone, no problem, but there was a lot of information passing to and fro just because all these people were sort of in the same room and corridors, some wild stuff. And especially at night, I mean, Dan, I think we heard some people say some things that were slightly jaw-dropping, but you can't go do anything with it.

Well, Schaefter, I think, is doing a good job covering bases. Okay. You know what I mean? like, if you're Conklin's agent, you cannot have that out there now, no matter what, whether he signs with the Jets or not. And of course, whoever that is doesn't want it out there anyways because they want to see what, it's still too early for that, even if the expectation is, I'm saying if you are getting really excited about the Conklin. I mean, it couldn't sleep last time. Don't get too disappointed. He's like, I want that B minus guard for $15 million a year.

He was a great right tackle last year. I don't, I did some. deep dive. He's a very good running the O-line tape. Yeah, he's a very good pass blocker or a very good run blocker but not a very good pass blocker. That's what they say. PFF says. Big mistake by the Titans not giving him a fifth year option, which basically

has no risk to it. Well, and it's easy to say now. But he came off an ACL injury and didn't play well in 2018. Right. My lukewarm take. They go more than we do. Let's be honest. My lukewarm take, which I don't, won't think matters anymore,

because they're changing the fifth-year option quite a bit, is that every single player that's ever shown a pulse should just get the fifth-year option. Because it's not guaranteed anyways, you might as well just do it. I feel like three out of four guys, or maybe four out of five guys get it, right? Some are just such depressing first-round bus that you don't do that.

I said if you've shown a pulse. Conklin was a pro-bowler or his rookie year. You know who's a great example? Your boy, David & Djoku, where it looks like he could go either way, probably will. But he's a perfect example. He has shown something, but really not much. If he gets a tag, anybody can get it.

It's fair to say that maybe the regime, three regimes ago, which was only about three and a half years ago, might have felt differently, but he probably never knows how anyone feels about him. How could you? Finally, in the news, Tom Brady and his boy, Julian Edelman, were with Jimmy Fallon, the talk show host

at a Syracuse, North Carolina basketball game over the weekend. and we had a viral clip. Mark, why don't you set this up because I think Ricky has some sound as well. Take us through the process. Well, it's, you know, sideline, courtside seats, and you've got Julian Edelman, who looked to me to be roughly suddenly 17 years older

than the last time I saw him. To his left, Jimmy Fallon, and to his right, much closer to the camera, Tom Brady. And you'll hear Edelman basically when they kind of cut to these guys saying, you know, he's staying, he's staying, something along those lines. He's coming back.

He's coming back. And you really, like, you need to go seek this out online, too, because the look and the awkward said-in looks on Tom Brady's face over the next, like, 10, 12 seconds is... Bit of a death glare. It is. And there was a lot of, you know, even in some articles that set out there for 24 hours, people trying to figure out what he actually said. An NFL network came to the conclusion that what Tom Brady said at the end of all this, which initially was meant to be negative, like he's not or whatever, he said he's got it. Like, Edelman's got the news, but not in a way that would make you think, if you're a Patriots fan, Greg, you watch it, it would make you feel comfortable.

We have audio of this? Yeah, like to listen to it. But I think it's the visual you have to look at too. He's coming back. He's coming back. What did you tell Beheim? You got it. So Edelman, he's coming back, he's coming back.

Some random guy to Brady goes, what did you tell Beheim, who's the Syracuse coach? Is he still there? Yes, he has been there for. Brady goes, he's got it, it sound like. But some people said he said he's not. as in he's not coming back? He did say he's got it.

The NFL network guys did a good job boosting up his audio, isolating it. It's almost like a CIA operation. They led the show with this and it was great because the facial expression is very much. I interpreted it more as just why, you know, I'm on TV, I'm aware of it. I am trying to have no reaction,

but there's no way to have no reaction. He struggled though. And it's just like a grin with his teeth. Baird, and Edelman's reaction was funnier, because it was definitely the Tom Brady is the alpha in their relationship reaction and like, oh, did I go too far pushing the guy

who's like made my career? And a little sheepish, he like crosses his arms just, I might have got a little No Lamborghini for Christmas this year. And Jimmy Fallon typically knows what he's going to be say left. He just had no idea what to do at the moment either. So it's a nice bushel of awkwardness.

All right. I like this intrigue. Maybe that's rare among Patriots you're you're legitimately playing with house money even if this goes terribly sideways it's all fun for you and on i would rather tom brady and maybe we can talk about this with tom curran who's coming up but i'd rather have tom brady struggle in another uniform than struggle with the patriots all right i just don't want to see that let's that is a good way to get into it now let's get him on the phone mr tom currant tom are you there i'm right here yes i am there he is tom curran Tom current tom Dan Hans is here.

Whenever we talk about Tom Brady or the Patriots in general, you know, Greg's our right-hand man when it comes to New England stuff, and he will cite your name more than anyone else as a quote-unquote person he trusts to know the situation. And in these times, we need you, Tom Kern, to give us thoughts on the Tom Brady situation. We just finished breaking it down, Subruder film style, the Syracuse game. Where are we at right now? Give us a little insight.

Please, help us. Well, let's start right there because we now have enhanced audio. Yes, we just listened. Are you guys good with the enhanced audio? Yeah, we just listened. It was beautiful. Okay, so it's just a question about Beheim, and he said he's got it or whatever. Right.

So we're good on that. All right, we'll move on from that. Oh, so you're saying he was definitely responding to the Beheim question? 100%. And the deaths there he gave to Julian, we're not going to read into that. The death stare he gave to Julian was the kind of death stare you give to your little brother when you say, you know what, all right, I'll go to the game with you. It'll be good for your brand.

We still have some fun. And then you play it along, and the camera comes over, and the little brother can't help himself. He does something that makes him say, you know, I knew that you would do something that I regretted, and you just did. And that's not what I was looking for. So that's why I thought Brady said, let's not. As in, let's not be a dip in here. I got that. And by the way, so far, even, and Tom, you and I haven't really had a chance to really speak at length together.

We're not buddies yet. But you've already cleared up a major situation. So Greg's scouting of you is spot on through about 90 seconds. Oh, good. I mean, Tom and I go way back. We worked at multiple places together. And anyone that's followed the Tom Brady's career, they know Tom Curran. has been inextricably linked to him ever since Tom Curran.

It was a strategic move. He wouldn't say this. But early on in the Bledso Brady time together, he had called Drew Bledso a hood ornament in print. In the Boston Herald, he would call him Robert Crafts' hood ornament, a thing he put on his car to distract all the Patriots fans, his contract from everything going on. And Tom planted his flag in a sixth round pick out of Michigan

before anyone else did. And these players, they remember these things. I mean, I'm telling you, if you watched that training camp in 2001, what you would have seen, if you were watching closely, would have been inescapable to you, too. The skinny kid looked way better than the statue from Washington State. Wow. You've also...

Go ahead. It was an intervention that Beau Lewis formed at Bill O'Shea. Well, to this day, say, thank God because I was about a week from Benchonim anyway. You've also contributed one of my favorite words to Lexington him. the con of this podcast. Greg tells us that when he says somebody's honking, that's a Tom Curran original.

I did stand that. I think I grabbed that from the globe, but I actually think, Florio credited me for coining Swiss Army knife. I can't imagine that I was. That can't be true. That's nice level. I can't imagine that I was, he might have heard it from me first,

but you know how it is up there in West Virginia? Things wash ashore they're late. So, Tom. I go way back with Greg. And the great thing about covering this team, and this is where this coverage is different, is there are nuances to covering this team. It's hard to get in with individual people. It's hard to build the trust.

And it's hard to cover this team from afar. There are many folks around people who get very exercised when they get on the phone and start talking to folks. And I try and divide and take out a little bit of the stuff that I think is. emotional the people around Tom or around the team or around ownership might say. Like right now, what do you think is emotional that's maybe getting out there? Because this last week, we reached, and I'm sure it'll get even crazier, but we kind of reached peak Brady speculation, especially on ESPN with their old friend, you know, Jeff Darlington, saying he'd be shocked if Brady was back there. And I get along great with Jeff. and Jeff is very well plugged in, I believe, with everything Brady right now.

I just have seen this movie too many times here in New England where you think something is absolutely positively definitely going to happen and you get to a point where you walk a plank and it's hard to come back. I wouldn't be stunned if Tom Brady came back, Nick Casario's back, Josh McDaniels came back, Dionne Branch came back, Jamie Collins came back, There is a pitch, and I wrote this today, that will be made to Tom Brady, and it's not going to necessarily revolve around, we're going to get you this player and this player and this player. And we're going to pay you this much money, and we're going to commit to you for this long. The pitch is really going to consist of, in my estimation, from what I understand, what are you doing?

Where is it going to be better? Where are they going to understand what it's like with two minutes left? We're down for, and we need to manage it. Do these guys know the situational things? Do they know what you expect? Do they even have the same verbiage in their offense? Are you going to coach the coaches to coach the players? Because those are all the things, Tom, that you're going to encounter out there.

It's going to be very frustrating for you at 43. But can they have a conversation with him like that? I mean, is that how you would play that conversation? I mean, I feel like this guy. I don't think that would be the first thing I'd say when he's going to get there. I don't think that's the first thing I say is what are you thinking about. I think it would say, look, there were some mistakes we made. As you know, Tom.

There's things that didn't work out. There's injuries that arose. That's all in the past. I think it makes sense. I think it makes sense to pitch the competitive advantage of staying in an environment that knows him so well and vice versa. Versus, you know, shifting gears to a lesser team that you find out half these NFL teams are running away that would be completely unacceptable to Tom Brady. But do you think that Belichick and Robert Kraft are on the same page when it comes to the future? future of Tom Brady, the desire to even have that conversation and do whatever it takes

to keep him from getting out of the building? Yes, and I reported that, you know, in the story that I wrote today, that Bill Belichick and the Patriots and the coaching staff is very committed to trying to convince Tom Brady to stay in 2020. Do they make a two-year commitment? I mean, had they done the Drew Brees contract last year, we wouldn't be here now. Two years, $50 million, bam, done. We wouldn't be sitting here. They resisted the two years. They said we want to go year to year. That's not what Brady wanted.

That's why he asked for and was given the opportunity to not be franchised because Robert Kraft didn't want Brady to come back against his will. He didn't want him to feel tethered. He didn't think that was productive. So that's why we are where we are. But Robert Kraft also understands that he is running a risk. But he does want to emboldened Belichick to do what he's always done, which is run the football side of things.

The notion that Robert Kraft intervened on Jimmy Garoppel, is inaccurate. It grew legs, it grew wings, it grew tentacles, and it's run wild. It didn't happen. And I've been told that directly by craft, that it's a bleep and lie. I didn't do that. And I believe him. I see so much of what you're saying about the benefits of staying in New England,

and I really don't want to see him go somewhere else and fail because the coaching infrastructure isn't there and the players aren't there. But what about the idea? There are very few aspects. athletes in history, I'm thinking like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan, on the level of Tom Brady's career where there are multiple peaks once you think he's done, he just keeps peaking and peeking and peaking. There are only a handful of guys in the history of sports like that.

What about the idea of Tom Brady creating a new challenge for himself because there's no challenge left? 100% that exists. But the difference with those guys is they were either an individual sports or team sports in which it was much smaller. For Tom to orchestrate that in a different place to impart a culture on a 53-man roster when you get through all the people who come in and out and on a coaching staff is much more difficult to do.

That's why, to me, Tennessee makes the most sense because there's a culture in place and he's pre-sold in terms of what Mike Grable will say. Just listen to him and just watch what he does, and this is what we want. So I think that's an advantage, but I think it's much harder for him to do that. but I do think that he's enthused by that. In 2019, for a large part of 2018, he'd go to the line and say, what am I going to do on this play?

I don't know if he's going to be in the right spot. I don't know if he's going to be in the right spot. I have no tight end as far as last year. I don't know what's going to happen over there at left tackle. I'm probably going to end up having to throw this ball away. And he did that, a league leading by a large amount, 45 times. He doesn't want to go through that again this year. I was amazed at a part of the story.

know, at the Syracuse game that we didn't even mention, which is that he was FaceTiming with Vrable. Vrable in Indianapolis certainly did not hesitate to talk about Brady, to talk about his friendship, to talk about how many challenges he thought Brady presented as a playoff opponent. Like if he's trying to use that as a negotiating thing with Ryan Tannahill, I mean, to me, it's working. And they're like FaceTime, and these are 40-something-year-old men.

First of all, does anyone FaceTime with other men? Like, I don't know, like, with other people, with, like, all the time. I'd rather not discuss my private life. I'm just saying, who FaceTimes except for, like, with their kids or their wife? I didn't know that's a thing. The fact that he's FaceTiming with Braybill on a random February day with Julian Edelman. Who called who? That seems significant.

I don't know. They live a different life than we do, fellas. They live a different life. Right. But I do think one thing that you mentioned there in terms of the tampering and the notion that Mike Vrable is doing, a lot of eyebrows went up. My understanding is the Patriots are, quote, in a story I wrote recently, not going to be, quote, super vigilant about the tampering.

For two reasons. One, they don't feel their competition with other teams is financially based. They're selling a situation, not a paycheck. Even though Tom Brady doesn't want to get nickel and dined again because he feels he has been, they're more about what's the situation that you have here as opposed to other places. Secondarily, when they sit down with him to eventually talk about money,

they don't want him to be of a mind that I don't know what's out there yet. I have no idea what's going to go on. I need to go to free agency to find these things out. So there is an advantage to that. So while I think that it does raise eyebrows, I've been told the Patriots are not going to be chasing tampering charges all over the planet. All right, percent chance. By the way, I find that our employer is often selling a situation versus a paycheck as well.

So I can understand. Very often. Very often. pour it in the storm uh percent chance that tom is wearing not tom current tom brady is wearing a different uniform week one oh you're gonna love this answer 50 all right well still i mean and i guess my my last question tom for you is since you have had you know a level-headed viewpoint on this i think we all think and uh are you at all surprised where it is right now compared to where you thought it would have been been, let's say, in October when there started to be some percolation about his struggles and his contract was up. Are you surprised that where we're here right now, where it feels 50-50 and you're getting these reports out there? Or is this something you kind of saw coming? It was always going to be a little messy this time of year with the contract coming up. No, I knew it was going

to look exactly like this. Probably actually worse. Because in August and late July, before they were able to get the contract done. Brady expected a longer commitment. When he didn't get it, he really, and the folks around him were like, okay, you know what? Fun's fun, but now we have no players around him. He's going to go out there. Things aren't going to look good. And then when the Antonio Brown situation came and went, I don't think Brady was psyched

about it. I really don't think Bill Belichick was psyched about the way that went down either. That became further agitation for Brady. And the season bore it out. ended up taking the brunt of the blame for it. Well, he's slipping. He is 42, you know. And so many of those games, yeah, he did show less pocket poison patience than in past years, but the arm strength's there. The pocket mobility is still there. I don't think I've seen a physical dip from him. So most people, if you asked 10 people, I think that 9 would say, yeah,

he's slipping. I think that as that season wore on, he wasn't that cycle. He wasn't that psyched about that, that he had to bear the brunt of it, and he had to stand there, and you could see that in his face. So I kind of felt that it was going to trend this way the whole time. What fascinates me is when push comes to shove over the next 10 days, 15 days, whether the Patriots will be able to exert upon him and convince him that, look, this is the best place for you. It always has been. It always will be. We want you here. Do you really think his pocket mobility hasn't slipped at all? Pocket mobility, no.

That's shocking to me. His ability to elude the rush, duck his shoulders, move around people? Yeah. Like, I think it's like slipped significantly. Ted Carris in front of him instead of David Andrews. You had Marshall Newhouse for a chunk of the season. Now that have Marshall Mathers. Instead of Trent Brown.

Jack Mason didn't have his good. this season. It was a circus. Right. I grant all of that. Save it for the pub guys. Yeah, I think Brady could be getting motivation from his old pal, Tom Curran. Because a lot of people in Tom Curran's spot, he's got his radio show, he's got his TV show weekly.

It's like they give up the writing part of it. We've seen it with our careers. Our writing has dropped off. But Curran's out there. He's still spinning gems. I'm just telling you. If you want to read about Patriots. Tom, you-

It's great. Do you get a Christmas card from Tom Brady? No. Okay. Just check. No, no, no. You could read Tom's latest column, the one that he's referenced on this show today, at NBC SportsBoston.com slash Patriots.

And you could also follow them on Twitter at Tom E. Curran, C-U-R-R-A. And I just did. I don't know. I fell through the cracks. I didn't have a follow. Now I bang a follow. Now, Tom, that's up to you. If you want to follow back, the old zoosur.

That's your call, totally. but this is the real off-season drama we're tracking the old suzer is dan hansis do you want to start facetiming on the regular absolutely um tom thanks for uh joining us and bringing some clarity to a unclear situation all right well thanks for having me guys take care thank you tom all right there he goes great you know sometimes you have a guest on for the first time and you get you immediately sense they you know get along with our style of, you know, our game.

A little mirth, a little fun, some analysis in there. Tom E. Kern. He's a legitimately funny guy. Like, there's a lot of sports writers that think they're, that try to be funny on Twitter. I can be guilty of this as well. But in the room, Tom Kern, it's a ball laughs. He's a funny guy.

He owns a room. I'm saying, yeah. If he's at a table of people, he's going to be, he's going to be owning it. Okay. Good stuff, guys. Good show. Two more shows this week. We'll have a Wednesday program where we are efforting.

That's a corbo term. We're efforting to have someone to talk a little combine and get a little breakdown from what happened in indie this past week. And then remember Friday, and I think I locked her in on the show, but there's no way Colleen remembers that by now. We will have the, we will name the Connie Fox theme song if Colleen is in the house. house and available on the show we will have our top five finalists and then we will select it. We have to actually, Ricky Hollywood, we have to

kind of get on this and figure out the whole voting process and which songs formally are the five finalists. We got to do some legwork ahead of Friday's show to do this right. I'm just thinking about this. It's been so long since we heard so. We might have to

go to six. I mean, we might have to just like break a rule or two. Maybe. All right. A couple of those early ones were gems. Absolutely, Mark. You want to be the last turn. I think we went out with a bang with that one song that everyone's tweeting about and then those early ones,

some of them were A-plus just forgotten. So you got to do this. We won't forget this. Yeah, I got to do this correctly. In fact, we'll, how about we... Or I'm out. When we re-listen to the ones that we saw as finalists, potentially, we'll listen to the latest ones first.

So the last one we hear is the first one we heard. It's going to be hard for Greg to maintain the energy he had for that last one. Never seen him so happy. And at first I think even I was saying that that wouldn't have been a finalist, but since it's not, let's listen to it again and again. But I think ultimately that's telling us something about this song that it needs to be part of the...

Oh, now I see your game. You want to get that in as the sixth finalist. Even though it has a little bit of a dig at the face. Oh, yeah, that was true. It also has... And Gonzo. It really was more a praiseworthy of Colleen, right? With all due respect to Gonzo,

a part of it was that he would be cast aside and an NFL player would then marry Connie. I think, yeah, it was a caste system scenario where Gonzo was being viewed as not really worthy of what Colleen has flowered into. It feels like a deal play. I don't agree with, by the first. It was fun word play that happens in...

But it is a little funny to me that remember you got on your horse and you were like, how dare that one man say a joke at Colleen's expense in his song from the first round of songs? And then this guy, he is causing trouble within Colleen. family structure and you're like, it's cool. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, Colleen's the star here. It's an inconsistency there.

Even Gonzo knows that. Well, I mean, you're making declarative statements about someone else's family again. I did ask Colleen if Gonzo was aware of this competition. She said he has no idea, which is kind of funny the more you think about it, because John is in so many of these songs. Better for him not to know what's happening.

I would suggest. All right, let's go. Thanks for listening to the Around the NFL podcast presented by Intuit QuickBooks's official sponsor. of the NFL. Stan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, the old boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the glass,

and thank you again to Tom Curran for joining us. To Wednesday. Hey, what's going on, guys. Hey, what's going on, guys? Yo, Tom. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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