NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Free Agency Day 4 Recap and Teams We Want to See More From

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon to react to all of the news from around the NFL on day four of free agency. The guys break down Mason Rudolph heading back to the Steelers (01:40), Mac Jon...es signing with the 49ers (06:30), what Brandon Allen signing with the Titans means for the team (08:25), an update on Cooper Kupp (10:44) and Trey Hendrickson (12:29), and more! Plus, some of the quotes that stood out from players in new places including Sam Darnold (25:11), Kenny Pickett (27:15), Joey Bosa (29:15), and Davante Adams (30:39) and why want to see more from teams like the Packers, Browns, and Falcons this offseason (34:04). Note: time does approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:34 It's the phase where Aaron Rogers' ears start to perk up. It's like, okay, now it's my time. There's too much attention going to other people, but when Mason Rudolph is leading the show, Aaron's like, okay, maybe it's time. That's not a great tease for this show, and yet this show is going to be fantastic because we're going to hit.
Starting point is 00:01:50 There's a decent amount of news. I just find that Steelers quarterback situation interesting. So I decided. Or hilarious. Yeah. hilarious would be another. Depressing would be another way to describe it. Embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:02:03 A lot of different ways you could describe it. So we're going to hit the news. There's definitely less of it here. And we're going to listen to some sound of some players in new places. And then we're going to get you out of here by telling some teams we want a little more from them. They've just been a little too quiet that feel like some holes are out there. It's almost the converse of because you debuted, you better be right. On Insiders this week
Starting point is 00:02:29 where we chided decisions that you better be right about. You better be right. You better be right about Sam Darnold. Yeah. You better do something. Yes. What we're doing today.
Starting point is 00:02:37 We don't even have something to say you better be right to these teams. They haven't done anything. Do something. At least the Seahawks are, they were bold. Yeah. Like you can,
Starting point is 00:02:47 I don't remember who else I said, they better be right. The, the Cowboys for just kind of not really doing a lot. They would fit in this segment as well. But let's start the news. with Mason Rudolph. I just think it's funny.
Starting point is 00:03:00 We're at the backup quarterback situation. And he signed on Thursday for two years, $8 million. He played pretty well whenever he got the chance for the Steelers over a long stretch of being their second and third receiver, I mean, third quarterback, and has carved out himself a nice little career. It was definitely better than Will Levis in Tennessee for what it's worth last year, although it didn't look as good the longer that he played,
Starting point is 00:03:24 which happens with Mason Rudolph. But the reason I'm leading is just like, what does this mean, Patrick? Does this mean there's less of a chance in there of Aaron Rogers? Is Russell Wilson potentially competing with Mason Rudolph? What are the chances of Mason Rudolph week one starter? I would have to think that maybe Russ coming back would supersede Mason Rudolph week one. I think Mason Rudolph is a signing that you can do either way. But the ultimate thing it's a sign of is how being in the Aaron Rogers game can set your season development.
Starting point is 00:03:55 development back purely because you're having to wait and make decisions with this big unknown that and you don't know what he's going to want to do once he decides to sign right so if you're in that game you put yourself in this situation where like yeah you got to sign mason rudolph for an x amount of money which i guess we get the backup quarterback value like so daniel jones is worth mason rudolph plus johnny hecker or something that's that's how you get into the backup quarterback range um but yeah it's it's mason rudolph on february i mean on March 13th. Yeah, it's not a big deal. And yet, while they wait for Rogers, it just, it just strikes me. How did, how did they get into this position? And I do think there is
Starting point is 00:04:37 absolutely fair criticism that Mike Tomlin and their GM now, Omar Khan, and going back to their last GM, Kevin Colbert, don't know how to build an offense that's consistently productive enough. It's just, I mean, you have a Hall of Fame quarterback you do. And, And this is true of a lot of franchises, but they just haven't had a clear idea for them to be sitting here just waiting for Rogers to throw up the bat signal. Yeah, eventually it would happen on accident, right?
Starting point is 00:05:06 Like, we have the hot Joe Flacco stretch in Cleveland. Sure. Like, what period of Steelers' offense these past four years have we really seen an offensive explosion? Yeah, you can go all the way back to 2019. I would say when it was sort of the end of Big Ben, when Mason Rudolph actually played quite a bit for them. Kevin Stavansky, I think, does know how to build an offense.
Starting point is 00:05:29 Actually, I don't know if the entire organization does. They've brought in the wrong personnel, not just that quarterback, but like if you put Kevin Stavansky as the offensive coordinator for Pittsburgh, I think you could fly. And we'll see. I think the chances of Mason Rudolph starting week one are 37%. I think it's higher than people. That's a dangerous number.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Maybe that's if Aaron Rogers doesn't come back. I mean, doesn't choose Pittsburgh, which I have to think the longer this goes on, he is just seeing if there's any chance that Minnesota will take him. Because we keep seeing these national reporters saying, well, Minnesota's, they've talked about it a little. They're kind of considering it. And clearly, it's the best option if he was given a chance to start in Minnesota between Pittsburgh, New York, and Minnesota. There is reporting that offers are on the table for Rogers from Pittsburgh and New York. So it's not the team's waiting around.
Starting point is 00:06:25 They've offered him a contract. I just think he looks at Minnesota and is like, is there any way I can get in there? Maybe that's it. Or you just think he wants to dominate the news cycle. Well, he wants to dominate the news cycle regardless. Right. As you pointed out this week,
Starting point is 00:06:38 he starred in a reality show about himself titled Enigma. This is a person. And again, like, I'm on TV. Like, I'm okay with things I say and do being disseminated. I like attention. I think Aaron Rogers likes it a little bit more than I do. And so it doesn't hurt. I don't know if it's basing his entire process off it.
Starting point is 00:06:55 He may just not care about the implications it means for other people, right? Right. And I thought, look, I live in Santa Monica. PCH is closed for the most part to non-residents above Entrada, which is just about a mile from my house. I go running down there. So I don't know if I have access to go up to PCH. But I could, if Rogers is just walking back and forth on the beach in Malibu,
Starting point is 00:07:23 boo. I could probably find them. It's what? It says 27 miles of of unencumbered beach or whatever. Like, that's not that long. You can see it all from the road. Yeah, I don't, I don't really think he'd be out there very long. Oh, he's not just hanging. Because, you know, those familiar with the, you know, the Bay of Los Angeles, you can almost see every spot from the other spot. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I could go find him. Maybe he's, he's lower. Most of the people don't live way up there, but maybe he does. Who really knows? Let's stick with the quarterbacks. even though these aren't the biggest stories,
Starting point is 00:07:53 I just like, for the sake of the show, keeping them together. Kyle Shanahan finally got his guy. Mac Jones is a San Francisco 49er. Destiny. I saw Ian ask like what the universe would be like and the butterfly effect where he did get Mac Jones and not Trey Lance.
Starting point is 00:08:07 It's pretty interesting. I think we'd be in the same exact scenario except Mac Jones would currently be like a former Cowboys quarterback. I don't think anything would have changed. Wait. Mac Jones drafted by the 49ers. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead and flip-flop both of them.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Okay. I don't think anything changes. I think because Kyle Shanahan is incapable of not helping his quarterback get seven yards per attempt, like that's the baseline, maybe even 7.4, that they would have had a modicum of success and he would have had a better career overall. But he would be an ex-49er by this point because he would have shown himself to be Mac Jones. Yeah, he would have been far more successful because that 49ers team was very good. good. I think the reason that Brock Purdy
Starting point is 00:08:53 is about to get this money is because we would finally not see somebody have that success with this addition of the 49ers. Yes. I don't think you can just plug any old person in and have seven yards per attempt anymore. Right, but maybe Brock Purdy doesn't get signed or maybe it's still
Starting point is 00:09:10 all happens. Look, I'm out there having said when Mack Jones had that rookie season after that year I would take him long term at that point over Russell Wilson, which for like minute looked like a pretty good take and then went back to a bad take and now it's just kind of an irrelevant take. But if Mack Jones is ever going to fulfill his destiny and get
Starting point is 00:09:31 back to the player he was as a rookie, which was like pretty solid. It was pretty solid. It was a guy who was going to have a long career, which after his last year in Jacksonville, I was not convinced was going to happen. So Kyle Shanahan can try to help him out. The Titans also signed a quarterback. It's Brandon Allen. But I put this in the news because it supports my growing suspicion based on nothing other than logic that they will take Cam Ward number one overall.
Starting point is 00:09:58 And I think if you're taking Cam Ward number one overall, what are the types of moves you might make in free agency? How about at quarterback, where you have no one? How about nothing except signing Brandon Allen? Isn't that what you would do? Yeah, probably, you know, get Kevin Sightler in, right? Sure.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Operate things such that, you know, Dan Moore is a body. that plays a position, right? You got $50 million guarantee because other teams are trying to sign them. The Titans weren't the only one. So if we say, hey, paying $15 million to a player on the offensive line, these are all moves that I would make. If I was going to
Starting point is 00:10:35 draft Cam Ward number one, I'd probably do some more stuff, but why, you know, why push it? I think Brandon Allen is actually the biggest signifier of any moves they've made. Because I really believe you would have either brought back Rudolph or you would have been aggressive in the James, Mariotta,
Starting point is 00:10:53 like someone that would be a real bridge option, and they just didn't go that route. They went with a guy who's a career number three who would kind of make sense as a backup if they end up dumping Will Levis.
Starting point is 00:11:05 And that to me, I really think Kim Ward is by far the best quarterback in this draft. Why would the Titans not take that quarterback? And I think it's heading that. Yeah. You have a two in place.
Starting point is 00:11:16 There's no reason, like the value for him elsewhere, unless somebody's really taking a flyer on the potential of Levis at this point, yeah, you go ahead, sign a three, you draft your one, problem solved. And I would guess if that scenario happens, Will Levis is traded for a fifth round pick in August, like something like that. I mean, fifth, fifth would be nice. They'd take a five right now. I mean, Will Levis isn't, you got a chance with Will Levis at least to have a career. I mean, if Blaine Gabbard lasted 10 plus years, there are guys who figure it out a little bit that
Starting point is 00:11:47 have physical talent that, that, you know. I just mean relative to the value of other trades. It's fair. Five feels like, like they'd run up to be like, yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, okay, you're probably right. Here's our Cooper Cup date of the show. We didn't mention on Wednesday show with Nick Shook that officially Cooper Cup is a free agent. He is on my top 101.
Starting point is 00:12:07 He's in the 70s. I think he's a role player. I have him ahead of Keenan Allen, for instance. I had him behind Mike Williams, who will get to in a second. his market, according to our insider, Ian Rappaport, is about $11, $12 million a year. So I think that supports what I'm saying. Like, that's a little above where Diami Brown and Tutu Atwell got.
Starting point is 00:12:27 That's a number three receiver type of guy. Ian mentioned three teams specifically. He said the Seahawks, which there's been a lot of buzz about. It feels like they might be the favorites. The Texans, who have a former Rams staffer Nick Cayley, taken over the offense and the Jaguars who have a former Ram staffer as the head coach
Starting point is 00:12:49 and as the GM is there anywhere you would like to see Cooper Cup? Well initially when the story first dropped I'm thinking Baltimore Raven Cooper Cup where and I know the idea that people see of Cooper Cup is him in motion and it's shocking a defensive end
Starting point is 00:13:07 before like coming back into the route I want to see less of that from Cooper Cup at this stage of his career just out wide running routes getting open just being able to do the traditional things which is why I kind of want him out of the McVeigh tree and like
Starting point is 00:13:23 The Ravens aren't happen after that Hopkins move Yeah that's like you're only have one of those Probably I guess you never know there hasn't been any buzz But just feels like you have one of those slots And they filled it with DeAndre Hopkins Arizona would be fun Yeah they could use another receiver I've been surprised how quiet they've been on offense
Starting point is 00:13:40 So that's a big name. So is Trey Hendrickson, a report from Dianne Rossini of the Athletic, from other teams saying that the Bengals asking price for Trey Hendrickson is, quote, ridiculous, which if you know how the Bengals have done business in the past is not surprising to me at all. Because I think their end game here is to be like, yeah, we tried to trade you. But you know, it would be great if you just kept playing for the Bengals, and we have you under contract, and we have shown the willingness to stare our players down if they don't want to come to terms with the contract we are willing
Starting point is 00:14:14 to give them. So it's not surprising to me that they're probably, and by ridiculous, they're probably asking for a first is what I would guess, would be classified as ridiculous. Would a first be ridiculous? Maybe some team thinks so if they were in the top half of the draft. Maybe it's not ridiculous, but he is an aging passfisher. Plus the contract you have to give him. If D.K. Metcalf can't get more than a first. I don't think Trey Hendon can. Yeah, that's true. I just, Gino got a late third. Whether it's whispers of like who's interested in Rogers
Starting point is 00:14:46 or a trade being ridiculous. I know I'm old fashioned. I could just go for some quotes these days. I'd like to know what ridiculous is. I don't know. This was my attempt of sprinkling in a little spice with a big name into the news rundown.
Starting point is 00:15:02 You know, going with this ridiculous story. No, is it spice? It's a little spicy. Just to talk about Hendrickson, just to say where he's at, might remind the people. It's been quiet on the Hendrickson's front this week. And yes,
Starting point is 00:15:15 I think the Bengals showed their hands where when at the Combine, I believe, certainly it was to the media. They said, look, we want to give Trey Hendrickson a new contract, but it takes two sides to agree on that contract. But we'd be happy to give him a new contract. And I was like, okay, this is going to take a while. Like, they're just going to, they're just going to stare him down.
Starting point is 00:15:38 They'll say they'll try to trade him. Yeah. we'll see. And I know it's improper because nobody, you know, it seems like nobody would ever do it. But Duke Tobin, like, tell us what the price is. Like, what's the gap? Okay. Like, Trey, let us know what you're asking for. And Duke, let us know what you would like to pay him. And then we'll try, we'll try to meet in the middle. That feels like, you know, um, sometimes it seems like these things are nebulous and like, oh, it's hard to do. Is it? Like, the player wants a price. Right. And the team wants a price. And let's just, let's figure that out. Because I don't, I don't, I don't
Starting point is 00:16:09 necessarily think it's that complicated. I would love nothing less than the Bengals starting training camp with T. Higgins, Jemar Chase, and T. Hendrickson all holding out. I just don't want that future. And yet it seems on the table. I'm going to actually make a prediction here on March 13th. Jamar Chase will have signed and will be there, but T. Higgins and T. Hedgans and T. Hendrickson will not. That's my very, very early prediction. You know who's going to be back in a familiar training camp? How about Mike Williams coming back to L.A.? There's a new facility now, Mike. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Was Mike Williams ever in San Diego? No, he's not that. No. There's not many San Diego chargers left. Yeah. In fact, I think they're all gone. I think they're all gone now. I like that.
Starting point is 00:16:55 $6 million. Betty on a bounce back from a guy that didn't look 100% recovered from his torn ACL last year. Makes sense for a guy who never built his game off speed anyways, that he could be in a better sense. spot at less money he's obviously familiar and i'm sure got a good referral from one justin herbert who loved thrown to that man and um he comes from like it was nathaniel hackett mode jet's offense to like the falling apart steelers offense he was also coming back off of an injury yeah there's there's cause to believe that this could be like a similar version to the mic at the end
Starting point is 00:17:35 of the los angeles run the first time the one that was playing very very good before he got hurt yeah He's not that old. He started his career in 2017, has certainly had a lot of injuries, but they needed to add another receiver. They didn't get Emin Engram signed, which was something I was looking forward to, maybe for the Chargers.
Starting point is 00:17:53 They don't have, like, a ton of firepower still on offense. They had in Najee Harris. We'll see what else they do. Speaking of firepower, I think if you look at the rundown, it'll probably give it away, but I'm going to give a test here. Don't look.
Starting point is 00:18:08 Okay. What receives? led the NFL in EPA per route run last year. Route run. I believe. EPA per route. Is that even a stat? I might be messing this up.
Starting point is 00:18:25 No. Adam Thielen? It's Adam Thieland. Wait, I got it right? Yeah. Are you kidding? Well, you've looked at the rundown. I didn't look at the rundown.
Starting point is 00:18:34 That was legit. Oh, my God. Well, then I'm really impressed. Patrick is so happy. I don't think he's a good enough. actor or his eyes were up the whole time. The second he said, don't look, he looked straight up.
Starting point is 00:18:45 But you could have looked at it earlier in the day and Thielen's there, but I'll give you, I'll give you some credit. That's good job, man. That's amazing. They actually gave Adam Thielen a race. I was wondering when I saw that they were restructuring, I was like, what? Like, they're giving this man a pay cut after what he did it. No, it was the opposite. He has been so good at such a low price there that he was like, yeah, I'll continue to play
Starting point is 00:19:09 football. But can you just give me a raise? And so they gave him a rare one year raise and he'll be a free agent if he chooses to keep playing football. He did say publicly. He was kind of thinking about whether to walk away or not. And so they gave him a nice raise. What a great signing. A raise in this year? Yes. Yeah. A rare one where. So it's not like it's hurting the cap. Yes. Wow. Yeah. Well, they have nothing but cap space. Yeah, they did the, the gronk move, the Patriots did a couple times the Edelman like where they were the guy was had was on such a bad contract every once in while they would just like give him a raise max crosbie got one of these last year and it was like five million dollars just hey you deserve more money say one it's not the same thing because
Starting point is 00:19:52 they extended take one out they moved the money around this is just like I we don't know what the terms are but he he has more in his pocket he deserves it I think it's indicative of like a value and shout out to them for rewarding Adam Thielen for uh his contributions because I think there's a viability that people see with Bryce that might not have ever happened if it's not for Adam Thielen. Fair. We really might not have ever seen that run last year. I can't find the stat that I'm looking for,
Starting point is 00:20:23 but I'm really going to try. I just probably made it up. The cards right after we taped last night's show, after I castigated them for not spending enough money, they signed Dalvin Tomlinson, in two years, $29 million. So they spent some more money. They do it.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Haven't done a lot on offense. I think they've swung and missed on a lot of free agents where they were second or third in the bidding. But Dalvin Tomlinson was one of those guys that got cut by the Browns. He's making a lot of money and then got picked up within a second and was playing at a very high level last season. Yeah, a nice finish to the season.
Starting point is 00:20:58 And it's a guy that we're not necessarily going to have to Google. And so this is not that name value is what the Cardinals were missing. they really need a playmaker honestly out on the edge which is something that they go out and sign Josh Sweat I'm sure they're going to draft you know
Starting point is 00:21:14 draft an edge as well but it's still a need brought back Baron Browning he was going to be in our segment later where we listen to some players in new places but he's not in a new place he's actually been in Arizona so why don't we listen to
Starting point is 00:21:28 Baron Browning about why he decided to stay in Arizona why signed before for agency had to see what you're value what's in the open market. I mean, if you got a girlfriend who's the team, why play around? It's true. And honestly, in terms of answering the question, right, you satisfy a couple of things.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Baron Browning's significant other feels a little more secure after hearing that. So that's job number one. And yeah, it shows that you can be faithful to a thing. There's a lot of people out there that that doesn't necessarily fly forward. I liked your take before the show, which was, you know, there's more than just physical appearance to consider. yeah, you have to evaluate the whole thing. And I think that's what he's saying. Okay, that's what was 10. You know, you can find somebody that that uplifts you, that you enjoy being around, that you like that their smile. And it's not just an outward physical appearance.
Starting point is 00:22:18 There are folks who, you know, like to branch out. They may see more than one 10 out there. And, you know, shout out to them as well. But Baron Browning is a faithful person. I just hope the cardals will be faithful to him. Well, they gave him $15 million over two years that that's solid uh who is the guy you know daniel you know from from love is buying i thought you just were saying like you know there's more than appearances there not that he has a bad appearance but he was a little worried about it and he got it done in the end he won that season he overcame the barrier and shout out to all the short kings out there if you were on reality tv do not mention that you're short because they will play it because other people don't see being short
Starting point is 00:23:00 the way that short he he led with it he did he could have not led with it yeah but the love as blind producers were like, oh, he's insecure because he's short because we don't like short people. So we'll make him say. Damn, wow, Patrick. Always sticking up for the groups
Starting point is 00:23:15 that are unfairly treated. And we appreciate your support, Patrick. Thank you for being a speaker for the shorts. The Raiders signed Rahim Moster. Man, their backfield does not look great on paper. He didn't look 100% for most of the last year. Definitely a red flag that the dolphins let him go. The commanders signed another former patriot Dietrich.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Wise. They also had brought in Jonathan Jones. K.J. Osborne is on that team, by the way, too. They brought him back. Speaking of Patriots, former Patriots, the Patriots released David Andrews, one of the few guys left from a few Super Bowl winning teams. He was a rookie, I think the year before they, they had the 28 to 3 comeback. A great longtime Patriots, sounds like he's going to retire. They got a lot of people to put into that Patriots Hall of Fame, but I suspect David Andrews will be there. eventually a team captain from very early in his run. And then the Eagles, they keep picking at the margins. They got a lot of dead
Starting point is 00:24:11 cap money. They got a lot of contracts to worry about. I thought they'd be a little more aggressive in free agency. We'll see if there's a trade. They did sign former Patriot Josh Uche. Just getting value. We got to find out where the meat of this comes. But yeah, Josh Uche is your dude. I just...
Starting point is 00:24:29 Well, when he did, you know... Needle not necessarily moved by you. No, not moved, but it's similar to A.J. Dillon landing in Philadelphia, which is that if these guys are ever going to get it done again at the NFL level, they found the perfect spot. I mean, if, if Uche can't be a situational pass rusher with the Eagles, he's not going to be able to get it done. He's had a very strange career, reportedly turned down a lot of guaranteed money last year to stay with the Patriots and then couldn't get on the field that consistently, which was a theme of his time in New England,
Starting point is 00:25:02 but he did have that one year. And if you look at pass rush, you know, production per snap over the course of his career. It's outstanding. And yet teams haven't really trusted him. He went to the chiefs and couldn't get out on the field for them. Well, this is the spot for it. This is the rotational spot in that Fangio defense where, you know, they're cycling guys in and out of the line. And if you have to deliver on eight pass rushes, and he's a very efficient pass rusher, you know, you go. Here's your eight snaps. Yep, maybe taking that Bryce Huff spot, although he's still there making like $20 million a year. I think That's one of those contracts.
Starting point is 00:25:36 It's just not worth even cutting. Just see how he shows up to camp and see if he's better because he's shown a level that made them give him that money and see if he can get better. And if camp really doesn't go well, maybe he doesn't make that team. Alexander Madison, the running back helps to replace Rahim Moster in Miami
Starting point is 00:25:53 and the Titans who have been making a decent amount of moves. They signed Dremont Jones, the defensive lineman, who's a bit of a free agent bust for the Seahawks for $10 million. We're going to take a quick break. break. And when we come back, we're going to listen to a little sound from some of the players in new spots. And we're going to go back and forth and choose some teams we'd like to see a little more for me. Just like, show me something. A little more.
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Starting point is 00:28:46 I ask what phase of free agency this is. It's the one where the big names who were signed are now showing up and you got four or five different Patriots holding up jerseys. Robert Spillane's got a 14. Milton Williams I liked was just like. kind of wearing an old polo, you know, don't get dressed up. My father. It's a nice polo.
Starting point is 00:29:11 It was fine. Let's listen to some of the comments that we heard with players showing up in their new spot. And we'll start in Seattle, where they obviously made the big move that they got to be right about. Sam Darnold, but let's hear from him. Yeah, I think, you know, first and foremost, I think maybe Clint could talk a little bit more about that in detail. But I know it foundation is the run game. And we're going to run the rock. I know Clint's big on running the rock and you've got to do that
Starting point is 00:29:39 and building that off of play action keepers and drop them back when you have to. Well, yeah, that's what you want to hear from the guy you just gave $55 million guaranteed to. What do you do? Well, Sam, well, we got to run the football. I think the issue is because it was asked about how he is going to excel in the offense. Sure. He still said like, oh, yeah, the running game's got to be good. Sam quickly provided the correction like, hey, you should ask the office of coordinator.
Starting point is 00:30:04 these questions, I'm Sam Darnold, but if you're asking me about the offense, Clint likes to run the ball, but I'm saying today that I'm Sam, I go out there and I execute whatever, because I'm a hundred million dollar Sam Darnock. I'm the type of quarterback that you got to build a great running game for, or else I'm not going to work. Oh, no. Sorry. The hive has destroyed Greg. Yeah. Greg is going to rip Sam Donald apart. It's not an inspiring way to answer a question, Although Darnold was beloved in Minnesota and never strikes you as a guy who's going to have inspiring quotes or speeches,
Starting point is 00:30:40 but beloved by his teammates throughout the NFL. I think that was inspiring. I think it was fine. Kenny Pickett is a Cleveland Brown. I kind of slipped under the radar. And this quote from him caught my eye. I just think it's a great opportunity to go compete again. That's really all you can ask for.
Starting point is 00:30:58 and that's what I was told here, you know, coming in here, I'm having an opportunity to compete again, so I'm very excited for that. I do view myself as a start. You know, I'm sure they're going to bring in another veteran and who knows what else, but, you know, I'm just excited to be here and compete with whoever.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Hmm. Who is it going to be, Kirk? I don't like the idea that he, if Kenny Pickett's competing to start. I don't know if that's going to happen, but he thinks it's going to happen. Yeah, he's a competitor. I like that out of Kenny Pickett.
Starting point is 00:31:27 I do feel, because I felt strongly that it was going to be Kirk Cousins early on, the longer it takes, the less likely I feel it is. I feel like if a trade were to happen, we're going to, we're kind of losing the momentum on that. Yeah, it could happen after the draft or something like that, though. That's what the insiders are saying. Kirk wants to make sure that they're not going to draft a quarterback over the top of him. I think he's lost that. He has no trade class. He's a no trade clause.
Starting point is 00:31:58 He kind of does have that privilege. It's crazy, but it's true. I guess. I mean, right, he could exercise that and they could say, well, we're not going to wait around for you. That's a potential way that a team like the Browns
Starting point is 00:32:12 could push him on that, but he does have a no trade clause. I did see his strategic move where he wanted to talk to Mr. Blank, right? And then that didn't pan out. And then he was in the Oval Office, what felt like moments later, like posing up with Don.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Wait, really? Oh, I didn't know that. It was like one story immediately to another. It's like, okay, there's a strategy, I guess. We'll see. We'll see what Kirkochains comes up with. I guess masquerading all that culture only meant so much to some people. That is funny.
Starting point is 00:32:41 You're breaking news to me. I love that. Joey Bosa, speaking of guys from political families, let's listen to him in Buffalo. I really enjoyed my ears in L.A., but coming to a team, back like, you know, the Ohio State days where you're really living in a football town with an unbelievable fan base. It's really got me excited.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Did that have a shot at Los Angeles, Greg? Maybe a little one. A little one. I get it. I mean, the Chargers, you shouldn't be taking any shots at their fans. And I don't think that's what he meant. But Joey Bosa, if nothing else,
Starting point is 00:33:23 he's a football guy. Yeah. And so maybe he wasn't feeling that love. Up there with real football people, unlike the people here that are fake. No, we're, there's a, I mean, look, Chargers fans, they're real ones. And a lot of them, I think so. I think Joey Bosa is the person who needs to have that conversation. He was a San Diego Charger.
Starting point is 00:33:41 And so he knows the heartbreak that those fans had. And a lot of them have traveled up to the games and whatnot. But it's not, I wouldn't say the Chargers have overtaken the city in the sense that, like, you know, the city that you feel that you feel the buzz around L.A. about the Chargers as much as maybe Joey Bosa wants. That's all. Well, he's... He'll feel it in Buffalo. He's found his place, he says. They will love him there.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Devante Adams spoke to the Rams, and as of this taping, for some reason, the video is not available literally anywhere. It's true. I can't believe it. I'm sure it will be later. But we will show a beautiful picture that our colleague, Jordan Rodriguez, took herself very professional.
Starting point is 00:34:27 And I like the item of news that she put out there on blue sky. Not a great look for Eric who put this together that he's not following Jordan on blue sky. It's asking. I'm not on blue sky. I actually get a little annoyed when you send me blue sky stuff because I'm like, I have to go like, it's a weird crop. Well, then just sign up for it at least to help your job. I do have your blue sky up on a permanent tab on my computer.
Starting point is 00:34:51 I'll give you that. I don't need another app. Now you're going out of your way to not. It doesn't matter. What's the last app? app you put on your phone, Eric? What's the last app you put on? Monopoly Go. Monopoly. Yeah. Monopoly go is taking the mental space. Right. It's part of the job. Sometimes I'm going to be asking. Well, the links where Jordan is tweeting. Here, open your settings. How much storage do you have?
Starting point is 00:35:11 The links work, Greg. It works. It just, I don't need the app on my phone. But it hurts my eyes to see plus follow in the corner of the, of the graphic, which people can check out, by the way. iPhone storage. I have 24 gigs open. Okay, you guys, I think 25. All right. Can we have the graphic up and you check your settings at the same time? So she told a great story, or Devante told a great story that Jordan relayed about how Sean McVeigh narrated and detailed highlight cutups of Devante's game as he was recruiting him about 10 minutes worth of highlights in McVeigh content. I want that content.
Starting point is 00:35:54 And Adam said it was a big. factor just like how clear it was that that they really wanted him and have a vision for it. Like, I would love to watch that 10 minutes. And I bet that it wasn't something special that Sean McVeigh had to do. I bet he just had one. I bet he had a Devante Adams cut up that he had narrated already. Stop. I feel like that would be something.
Starting point is 00:36:15 He had narrating. I'm sure he has cutups, but why would he be narrating it? I think it was a cut up and he pulled it up on his phone, hit voice memo and was like right into it. I mean, that's your idea. I know there was negotiations between Sean McVeigh and Amazon. Reportedly, he could have made $10 million a year to have the job that ultimately went to,
Starting point is 00:36:38 why am I blanking on his name? Kirk, Herbtsch. Curbstreet. And that's how memorable Kirk's, you know, broadcasting for Amazon has been. McVeigh would have been amazing, but he would make more than $10 million if he just had his own YouTube channel,
Starting point is 00:36:55 of him narrating highlights. Yeah. You know what I mean? There would never be a question of if the video would make it long enough to get to profitability. Like, Sean McVeigh could yap. And it was not even yapping from Sean McVeigh.
Starting point is 00:37:10 No, it would just be dropping straight knowledge. You don't even need to go to the studios. You don't need to fly around the country. If you do a 10-minute video, McVeigh, on your own YouTube page three or four times a week, you saw what it did for Gruden. McVeigh would blow that out of the water. watch out Brett Coleman
Starting point is 00:37:27 trying to think of who else does that on YouTube watch out all right let's break down the teams that we would like to see a little more from so it's just
Starting point is 00:37:38 Freedency is not over there's going to be a lot of players that are signed and traded for between now and the season starting even now and the rest of the month that have big impacts on the 2025 season
Starting point is 00:37:49 so it's far from over but I think we are at the point there's not a lot of signings happening right now, not a lot of players left in the top 50 that there's a few teams out there that we can point to and say like, I want to see what, can you do a little more? We need a little more from you. Why don't you get us going, Patrick?
Starting point is 00:38:08 I would like to start with the team that we mentioned earlier. They decided to honor the contributions of Adam Thielen. I think the Carolina Panthers could do a little bit more, be a little bit more aggressive to the extent that they were last year. We saw the improvements that they made on the interior. And I know Adam Thielen's contributions have been great that youth, if you're talking about addressing other spots of receiver through the draft,
Starting point is 00:38:28 they're good there. Let's get Bryce another veteran target with the ones that are available. I just feel like it's an obvious move. The wide receiver market has been slow to materialize for a lot of these guys. So in terms of name value, they are the best players out there
Starting point is 00:38:44 in terms of Amari Cooper and Stefan Diggs and Keenan Allen, there's got to be some receivers that help team. So that's well said. They have been active. I will give them that. And I love RICO as a signing. I think that's great.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Mostly on the defensive side, but Tiron Mourag, they re-signed Mike Jackson. They brought in Christian Roseboom, the former Ram. They signed Bobby Brown, the former Ram, Tershan Warren.
Starting point is 00:39:06 So they have been spending a lot of money, most of it on defense. They gave Tommy Trembal a surprisingly good deal to come back. I'm going to go with the Bengals. They're outside free agents so far are Samajai P. Ryan, who they're familiar with.
Starting point is 00:39:19 T.J. Slayton, which is just kind of a lottery ticket from the Packers, just see what happens. Orrin Berks. Maybe they just thought, well, Oren Berks has been in the Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:39:28 the last... It's got championship DNA a couple of years. But that's like a rotational special teams guy. Not going to be starting for you. And then B.J. Hill, they brought back.
Starting point is 00:39:38 That was their biggest signing. If your whole offseason plan is just to save up the money for Hendrickson and T. and Chase, like if you can execute that, I'll accept it, but it's also not a route to get better. those guys who are already on the team.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Yeah. It's time to do more. A little more. It can't just all be arguing and fighting with the talent that you've been able to accrue. Little more. And I think they will. They are kind of a late in the game, free agency type of team. Baltimore is very often one of those teams, too.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Give me another one. A team that's back on this list after a great offseason in terms of splashy acquisitions, the Green Bay Packers. Oh, wow. Went out and got a guy close to leading the NFL in interceptions. a top five rusher and former rushing leader. And here we've got Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs. There's still this discussion
Starting point is 00:40:31 about the impending breakup with Jaira Alexander. They, you know, Miles Garrett got brought back to Cleveland. There's still need to add a big spot where they can create some sort of distance between the rest of the league and the best of the league. And they're just kind of there still. Okay. I like that you're focusing too on one side,
Starting point is 00:40:53 primarily the offense because I did think about that with a few teams like I guess you said Garrett the defense as well but like the Seahawks and the Patriots have mostly just got defense like they could go after offense but I didn't but since they've been aggressive you know the Packers they signed two players from my top 100 and a lot of people's probably top 50 in terms of you know Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs but you're not impressed no I'm going to go with the team that kept Miles Garrett okay I actually think trading Miles Garrett would have made sense if you could get good draft picks and if it somehow would have opened up space to fill more holes. Because at this point, it's keeping Miles Garrett. And then Joe Tryon, Chayanka,
Starting point is 00:41:35 you brought in for $5 million. Malik Collins keeps getting more and more money. Solid player, but a lot of guaranteed money for him. And then it's picket. It's bringing back Devin Bush, who hasn't been great. And that's it. Okay. So we talked about all of the moves they've made currently makes sense. Yeah. The Tennessee Titans have 72 million. dollars in cap space. I understand if you plan on drafting cam ward number one overall, that's not an excuse to not go out and try
Starting point is 00:42:01 to acquire talent. It's just not. They need to be in more of these discussions and more of these conversations to where, yeah, I know you get into a bidding war with Dan Moore. It's still $15 million. Like there's no the money needs to be spent.
Starting point is 00:42:17 That's why it's there. So go spend it. Okay. They've tried. They brought in. Zytler, these are some surprising picks from you and that's why I like having this exercise we came up with three different teams entirely they signed Dremont Jones and Spass and Joseph Dave just a couple. It just feels like no matter who's running the Titans
Starting point is 00:42:38 they all have the same sort of players that they bring in like Dremont Jones could have been a Mike Rable Titan he could have been a who is the GM that was with him John Robinson GM Titan and now he's here like two GMs later and they just sign the same sort of players. I'm going with the Falcons. You gave Leonard Floyd a bonus. Leonard Floyd at this point is diminishing returns. You gave pretty good money to Devon Diablo. You gave Jake Matthews huge money. I know he's never missed the game, but that was kind of a cap procedure.
Starting point is 00:43:11 They seem like they're paying the Piper for the Kirk Cousins deal. And they pushed hard last year to bring in players. And I get it. You can't every year. But I really think this. This is them edient because of the Kirk Cousins dead money that's going to be on there. Yeah, just trying to find gallery books. Like having to pay a premium for the bargain players where you still have to acquire the talent. But you don't know if you're going to be sitting there left at the end of this game of musical chair. So you got to, you feel like, oh, well, we got to go here for Leonard Floyd. And we have to do it now.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Because otherwise, we're still sitting here with the curse of John Abraham and having nobody at the end. Yeah. But he's not, he's not breaking the curse. Good player, not breaking that curse. So those are six teams. We just want to see a little more from. And I open the show saying if you wanted to know what phase of free agency, it is. It is the phase of free agency where we have Russell Wilson leaving the Cleveland Brown facility.
Starting point is 00:44:12 Oh, there it is. Facility in a big Chevy Suburban, it looks like. Is that what that is? What do you think? Let's see. Let's see if we get any logos there. He's not driving, which makes sense. I think it was a range rover.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I think it was too. So there we go. Congratulations for Russ. That's fun. I don't really see him as a fit in Kevin Spansky's offense, but no. And over the years I've developed
Starting point is 00:44:37 questions about Kevin Stefanski's offense. But this is the year. This is the year that we find out. And going through that exercise, I'm kind of wondering as draft evaluation, as player evaluation, has become more like centralized?
Starting point is 00:44:51 Yes. Did you think that's impact free agency a little bit where everybody has almost the same grades on everybody else and we're not seeing teams like reach for guys because it's pretty much common thought about how everybody feels
Starting point is 00:45:05 about everything. In terms of the draft and how that affects free agency? How they evaluated these guys in the first place and how they've evaluated them in the league. Just popped in my head. I like that. That is a topic honestly we could talk about on Friday on 40s in free agents. Yeah, that's
Starting point is 00:45:21 a you and DJ topic. Me and Daniel Jeremiah. I really appreciate all the feedback I got from NFL Daily listeners and some new listeners picked up. The reaction was awesome. And we are going to be airing that show every Thursday, except for this week. It is coming out on Friday afternoon. So stay tuned for that. I'm going to pose that to our draft guru. Yeah, because a lot of those, a lot of those common thoughts are because everybody listen to DJ, which they should, because DJ's a voice you should listen to. It's true. Is there more common thought? That's where I would interrogate him. Like, is that a thing? I don't feel. like I'm in a position to know, but I like that. I also like that Russell Wilson is trying to force the hand of the Giants and Steelers or whatever. Somebody should. Whatever he's doing in Cleveland. Because remember last year, he went and visited the Giants, but he invited himself there?
Starting point is 00:46:05 I've never heard of such a thing. Like, he was like, can I come visit? And it kind of spurred action with the Steelers. He was sick of waiting around for the Steelers to make their... Good. Somebody's being proactive. Yeah, it's true. At least Russell Wilson does want to work.
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