NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Free agency frenzy!

Episode Date: March 9, 2015

A room filled with heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler – analyze early free agency news including Ndamukong Suh to Miami, Devin McCourty’s new deal and much m...ore. The guys also discuss Patrick Willis' surprising decision to retire and what's next for Andre Johnson.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is all football, no narrative. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Here we are. It's freezing in here, by the way.
Starting point is 00:00:28 It's very cold. I don't know what I'm talking like Oprah. It's cold. You got a little of the free agency frenzy. Because free agency started. It's started this past weekend. It's Monday afternoon. They were taping this right now.
Starting point is 00:00:43 And this past weekend, Mark, I knew you were in on Saturday. Sunday I came in. Daylight savings time, no less. Banged there. And come in, you know, it starts out okay Sunday. And then all of a sudden the wave. It starts getting bigger and bigger. and bigger and all of a sudden it's crashing down
Starting point is 00:01:01 and Greg's online and we're hammering our posts on a Sunday I go home and then as it's crashing down Dan goes home perfect timing Greg keeps hammering away Mark jumps on West somewhere by the sea during all this that's accurate escaped escape but that was the big storyline
Starting point is 00:01:19 I guess so far of free agency is that yes it technically starts Tuesday at 1pm but this this time where you're allowed to talk to players and agents now turned into a monster that the NFL needs to somehow control or put down, which is all these deals are getting done and getting leaked to the press. So there's several dozens of players that we already know where they're headed. Well, just since Saturday alone, I think the number was 12 players from our 101 have re-signed with teams.
Starting point is 00:01:51 So those are legal. And then another eight or nine, ten, I'm losing track of the numbers, have agreed to deal. or something close to an agreement, which that's a mockery of the process. The NFL sends out a memo today. They're not happy with teams doing this. I don't know what they can really do. It's one of those problems that there's no good solution for.
Starting point is 00:02:12 One of the reasons... Open it up, let people do it. We only had one or two people on because the last two years, the only other years they've had this legal tampering scenario, nothing happened. It was like a big sit-around and wait, and then nothing would happen.
Starting point is 00:02:24 This year, like, it was a cavalcade. How come they can't just make Tuesday, 1 p.m. That's when these players become eligible to 31 other teams. Why do we need to have this period? Well, they added it because so many deals were getting done anyways in the few days before it. And so they tried to create something where, okay, you guys can talk and we won't get made fun of for all this tampering. But I think it doesn't matter. No matter what you do, you're going to have to set a deadline and teams are going to cheat and just do it ahead of time.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Isn't this all about... Who cares anyways? The unspoken agreement between NFL insiders that they'll wait a little bit and a couple of A couple of them broke the protocol? That's part of it too. Although, you know, guys like Byron Maxwell, who, again, was talking to an NFL insider, you know, he announced it publicly. Tori Smith put something on his personal blog about where he's going, you know.
Starting point is 00:03:14 You know, who cares? I care because people in our business, when you're writing up these posts, you've got to hedge them a little bit. You can't be definitive with it because nothing is official and anything could happen, I guess, technically, since this is all being done kind of under the table in a way. So, let's just get above the table. Get above the table. Stand on the table for change, Dan.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Standing on the shoulder. Trying to take Wes seriously, but in this cold room, he's got like an undersized hooded sweat. You look like a robber in the park. That's what you look like. Or like Sorko. I have a much easier time taking Wes seriously than Mark, who looks like he had to wear his dad's sport coat?
Starting point is 00:03:53 Well, I went downstairs, and I'm wearing Wes's sports coat, because if I wear my own, I have to go back and to the newsroom and deliver it to my death. I'm just giving this to Wes. You take it back from it. You kind of look like you're on makeout point with the varsity letterman's jacket draped them over your shoulders.
Starting point is 00:04:08 I wouldn't have guessed that that Wes's arms would be so much longer than yours. I'm not sure they are. I think I just have like more bulk that takes up room like Omar the tent maker. That sounds like you're bragging a little bit.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I don't think you're much bulkier than I am. We have got a long run down here. Look at this that Dan's got. It's the most news we've ever You're doing one show. Oh, my goodness. This is, this is going to be a show. Usually the structure of our show is we do some news up top and then we get into some other stuff.
Starting point is 00:04:37 We throw up and some mirth. There's still going to be some mirth. Don't get me wrong. But this is going to be news heavy. We have, God, 25 different items, I would say, I would guess they get to. So I don't think we should even waste any more time. And we got TD behind the glass. I'll tell you what, TD.
Starting point is 00:04:52 Number one, first show without Dressler. I'm sure you're dealing with that the best you. can. I'm hanging in there, guys. Don't good. It's not also the best that my soccer team match United is losing the arsenal right now and F-A-C-up, and that's pretty tough to deal. That doesn't matter. Why, he plugged in?
Starting point is 00:05:11 Whatever you just said, we weren't listening. Z-Drizzle no longer with us. However, T-D, you do have a great responsibility, other than watching your soccer game right now, is with all this news, we need your best news drop ever. And I didn't give you a heads up to pull out the best one. So really it's just now fate. Will you
Starting point is 00:05:29 I knew it was coming, though. You did? I was ready. He was confident. I was going to get to go. All right. TD, let's do some news. What the hell's going on out here?
Starting point is 00:05:39 Clearly did not even get a drop done and just went to the soundboard. Incorrect. That is the prelude to the NFL free agency right now. It's a lot going on, a lot of craziness. So my man Lombardi is like, what the hell's going on out here? That's fair. Mark, not impressed, though. You know, we're all looking at a sheet of paper that Dan emailed to everyone with
Starting point is 00:05:59 this enormous list of topics. Everyone's in the two line. TD's in the CC, the carbon copy line. I think that's telling and that's accurate. Oh, man. Hey, hey, hey, hate, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. All right, let's start with the biggest news of the weekend, and it is involving, as you might imagine, in Domican Sue, the Miami Dolphins,
Starting point is 00:06:22 who, when we did our sandwich propositions, Greg, and Wes, both predicted he would land with Miami. It looks like that's going to happen, NFL media insider Ian Rappaport reports that the Dolphins are the clear frontrunner for Sue and it will be a deal that will eclipse 110 million make Sue the highest paid defensive player in the NFL we're hearing in other other news outlets that this is a done deal there's nothing else to talk about so barring something crazy sue is going to be a Miami Dolphin I'll open it up with the boss Greg your initial thoughts of the move well I don't like the fact that a lot of people are making fun of the dolphins for this and thinking Sue is another
Starting point is 00:07:00 Albert Haynesworth. That's ridiculous. Or Stephen Ross just spends crazy money. This is Indomicon Sue. It's different. He's been one of the most consistent players in the NFL, top five player at his position. He's in the middle of his prime. If you're going to spend a lot of money, at least get Indomacan Sue. I'd much rather have Indomacan Sue than two Byron Maxwell's or two Mike Wallace's, other guys in free agency that get $10 million. The Sue Haynesworth comparisons are as lazy as comparisons get. I don't see, just because they both
Starting point is 00:07:29 stomped a player, and they both play defensive tackle. Sue is one of the most self-motivated players in the NFL, and Haynesworth was motivated purely by boats. And this is the classic time of year to get, to have guys pumped up and be overpaid way more money than they ever should. But with Sue, I don't,
Starting point is 00:07:45 I think that this is one total game plan record type guy that he can change what Miami can accomplish on defense for years to come. With that said, it does change the structure of salaries if you're in to that sort of thing. I mean, he's making $4 million more than Peyton Manning is this year. It's a new bar for defensive players, and it makes sense with all the cap space and the money that's out there now with the cap going higher. It's just different to see a guy like Sue making
Starting point is 00:08:09 Joe Flacco almost that. Let me just throw a little cold water, I guess, on the Sue signing, in my opinion. And I'm not saying it's a bad move by the Dolphins as a jet span. I'm not thrilled that he's in my division now. I have to see him twice a year, obviously. But everybody goes nuts about age all the time. He's 20. He's not a spring chicken. He's not like he's 25 years old. He's a little older. He's getting paid like a quarterback for three years.
Starting point is 00:08:32 And, you know, quarterbacks are expected to win. Now, I know he's a defense tackle, a whole different ballgame. He never won a playoff game in five years in Detroit. So as big as a game plan record as he is, and I'm not saying he's not. It's not like it turned Detroit into a deep playoff run team every year. So is he worth this much money considering what we've seen from him or from his team? He's not. And I see the dolphins going 8 and 8 or 7 and 9 like they do every other year.
Starting point is 00:08:58 This doesn't change. But then it's a terrible signing. No, I don't mind. I don't mind. That's just football. I mean, you could put Tom Brady on the Jaguars, and they're not necessarily going to make the playoffs. It's just that's football. Oh, I think they will.
Starting point is 00:09:09 That was maybe a bad example. And I don't think they would. We talk all the time about NFL teams realize the good teams, the good franchises, realize you build through the draft, and it's always like, well, who are these stupid teams that are always just wasting money in free agency? And people say the redskins. but it's the dolphins. Every single year, the dolphins do this. Two years ago, they spent by far the most amount.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Last year, Brandon Albert was the second highest paid player in free agency. This year, Sue is going to be. But you put Sue next to Cameron Wake. I just like thinking of those guys. You signed Sue. You signed Sue. You cut Hartline. You cut Gibson.
Starting point is 00:09:42 You cut Cortland Finnegan. Dinell Ellerby. I mean, this is what they do. Well, you're cutting guys that made this big free agent splash a couple years ago in Miami already. That's not how you build teams. I totally agree with all of that. And yet, at least they're investing in a great player. And all those players that you just added up, they pretty much added up to Sue.
Starting point is 00:10:01 I mean, that's how free agency works. I think you lose more by signing all these guys at $6, $7, $8, $9, $10 million. This is a guy, he's not Reggie White, but he's one of the best defensive players that's ever reached free agency. So that's why with the cap going up year after year after year, I don't mind it. The Dolphins, they always have a really good defensive line, and the rest of the roster is mediocre. they're still going to be the same way.
Starting point is 00:10:25 There will be more pressure than ever on Ryan Tannahill this year. Obviously, Joe Philbin, we know he's coaching for his job, but they need to be a playoff this year, playoff team, or it's going to be viewed as a mess of disappointment. Really? You don't think there's any chance? Not any chance, but I don't, one thing that I agree with with Wes in general, and I know we have 27 more topics to get to. But it's like, Dan, like you said before,
Starting point is 00:10:48 it's a defensive tackle, and I think any defensive coach could sit down in three hours, four or five tell you how important he is and the lions might have to change their entire scheme now because he's not there they could go to a three four potentially that's how much of a difference he makes but is he going to generate three separate
Starting point is 00:11:04 additional wins for the dolphins? Not when you don't have that quarterback or that everything else. I mean they've been right on the precipice of sneaking in the playoffs these last couple years so one of these years when they're eight and six going into the last two weeks maybe this is the move that gets them over the top they get a wild card they maybe
Starting point is 00:11:21 even push the Patriots. They might grow up to be the Cincinnati bangle Sunday. What a tough division it's going to be to have an offensive line. You've got to play the bills four times a year. We'll talk about them in a sec, bringing Jerry Hughes back. You've got to play the Jets with Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon. A great snack, a great-looking defensive line. And then now you have to play Wake and Sue next to each other with little Randy
Starting point is 00:11:45 Stark's thrown in. Patriots are the worst one of the group, and they're not that bad. Speaking of the Patriots, big news out of New England on Monday, NFL media insider Ian Rappaport going forward he'll be known as rap sheet on the show this episode anyway the Pats are not picking up
Starting point is 00:12:02 Revis's $20 million option for 2015 that according to a source informed of the team's thinking that will mean that Revis will become a free agent which will make him fair game for any team but what we keep hearing is that
Starting point is 00:12:16 the Pats will still be in the mix for this but it seems like it's going to be another classic Jets Patriots arms race situation with those two teams and then right now no other team materializing but something could go down in the future but Jets Pats it's looking like. Well, in Rapsheet mentioned that New England right now
Starting point is 00:12:33 is still trying to sign them before 4 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday that it's not like they're rejecting the concept of that and they don't want them around anymore. They haven't officially not picked up the option so legally the Jets can't be negotiating yet but I'm sure the Patriots have a 24 hour window here where they can exclusively negotiate? with him? Right, because he's still, it's basically, they haven't officially done anything.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Well, the Jets tampered like five times when they weren't allowed to, so now that you're an illegal tampering window, they're going to go crazy. Let's not be naive here. Dorel Rivas doesn't make any decisions without knowing exactly what he can make elsewhere, whether it's legal to find that out or not. That's just how it works. And I thought then you put it well downstairs. This even made it into the old Dorel Rivas landing spots, which only has two teams and then the field. You said this is kind of like, this is the contract that Dorel Rivas has always wanted. Like, this is the one that he's going to get this year.
Starting point is 00:13:28 He never got it with the Jets and his two dances with them. One was a Band-Aid. Then the second time it came around and it forced the trade to the bucks, who then didn't give him a really deeply guaranteed contract because he was coming off the knee injury. He gets cut. He ends up with the Pats on a one-year deal, essentially. But now he's going to get paid. I mean, he's probably going to get, he's not going to get sue money, obviously,
Starting point is 00:13:48 but he's going to get probably three guaranteed years, a ton of dough. This is the contract he's been trying to get all this time, and it might even come from the Jets, which is highly ironic. And Dan, you mentioned downstairs the idea that maybe there's an interest in Revis's mind and heart to go back to New York to put a cap on one who's the greatest Jets career of any player for that team that they've ever had. But what if the New England Patriots and the Jets offer something very, very comparable, Where do you think he would want to be, all things being equal money-wise?
Starting point is 00:14:20 I don't know. He's impossible to judge because he's motivated by money. I would think he would stay in New England if the money was the same unless there's something that we don't know. But what I was saying that downstairs about, I was thinking more from the Jets fans, from the Jets ownership, that they want Revis to be a jet, even though now he has a ring with the patch. I guess that's my point.
Starting point is 00:14:40 I don't think Revis has this same Jets thing lower attached to him. I think he wants to be, I think he'd stay in New England. if it was equal. I think it fails the common sense test for both Jets and Revis. They didn't want him a couple of years ago when they were supposed to be contenders. Now they're rebuilding and they want Revis. They're going to overpay for him. And Revis, why would you leave the Super Bowl champions to go to the Jets?
Starting point is 00:15:02 I don't get that. I think he would like to go back to New York. And here's why, because he's entertaining it. I mean, Ian has reported. That's a way to get more money to bring them back into the minute. Maybe that's how he's trying to get more money. But I think he'd be all about. it, and it's not that the Jets didn't want him back, for instance, last year.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Rex Ryan and Woody Johnson did, and they felt like it was a missed opportunity. They didn't get him back. A few years ago when they traded him, it was driven by the owner. But it was driven not over whether they wanted him. It was things that got really ugly financially. It was beyond just him how they viewed him as a player. A lot went into that, and I think it's a different spot now. When ownership gets involved, that's when you start seeing some crazy contracts,
Starting point is 00:15:43 and that's when it happens. and that's why Revis has to be thrilled because not only ownership getting involved on the Jets side, Belichick is practically ownership on the Patriot side, and you know he does not want to lose Revis to the Jets of all teams, and I feel like that would make the Patriots spend a little extra dough too.
Starting point is 00:15:59 He's in a great spot. I'd love to see the Bills enter his sneaky team. Not Belichick. Yeah. To me, like the Jets aren't one high-end quarterback away from being a contender. I just don't think it makes sense for them. Yeah, I mean, the way I look at it with the NFL
Starting point is 00:16:12 is that the Jets could, to me, like anything, team, if you hit on the draft and you do well in free industry, they could be 10 and six next year and be playing in the playoffs. And then if you're in the playoffs, you're in the dance, and then you have Revis on your team. You might not be seen as a Super Bowl contender, but that makes sense that now we have Revis who are in the playoffs. That's why the NFL is. Well, right, but we just... I did this months ago. Come on. Well, and you, and it's fair, you have an emotional attachment to the whole idea of Revis as well. But if we're going to look at the dolphins and say you've added Sue, but you're no
Starting point is 00:16:42 different to us than with all the holes that the Jets have, I'm not sure what adding Revis does to suddenly turn them into a playoff team either. I mean, that might be true. Yeah, really. They also don't have a quarterback. Their biggest hole is that. One of their biggest holes is that cornerback, though. It's not like he's not fit. It does fill a need. He fills a need. He fits what Todd Bowles does with physical kind of man corners. I mean, I don't know. If I was a Jets fan, I'd be loving this. I'm floating with it just over the possibility. We move on. Let's stick with the AFCs and the Patriots. So Revis, who knows if he ends up coming back to the Patriots,
Starting point is 00:17:15 but one guy we know is staying in New England. Devin McCordy, he will, a rap sheet reports that he has signed a five-year, 47-5 million-dollar contract, according to two sources. That's a lot of money. He had moved all the way up through guys coming or going on our 101 list. He was the number two option at the time of his signing. So Devin McCordy, we wondered if, if the Patriots valued McCordy
Starting point is 00:17:42 over Revis. I still don't know if this tells you necessarily, but it also tells you how much they adore Devin McCordy in that secondary. It shows you they value him over Asante Samuel back in 2006 or whatever year that was. Or Richard Seymour, when he was having his problem,
Starting point is 00:17:58 I mean, his contract issues, they stepped up to give McCordy a Jaris Bird type contract. I mean, there was a report from ESPN Boston how McCordy got on the phone with Belichick to basically say thanks for a great five years
Starting point is 00:18:13 I'm going to go with this other team and then it was at that point that Belichick and the Patriots stepped up their offer significantly apparently not quite to the level that it was either the Eagles or the Giants had but close enough and he got it done and Jai Russe Bayard
Starting point is 00:18:28 there aren't many players that they've ever done it I kind of think now McCordy's stays and Revis does not but we'll see. Oh, wow, really? I don't know. I mean, I'm 50-50.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Can't they just cut Brandon Browner and keep Revis before? I think they're going to be cutting Brandon Browner either way. They've allowed him to go look for a trade, so I'm fine with that. It doesn't feel like a Patriots business to be keeping them both. I don't know. It feels like in the past they... Still trying to talk yourself in the Revis and the Jets. I'm not...
Starting point is 00:19:00 Listen, I'm not saying whether that has anything to do with the Jets, but I don't know. We haven't seen the Patriots go all out to retain guys in the past. Well, you're exactly right. New England is not. not a team that responds off of pure emotion. They have learned how to team build for more than a decade. The Jets in this situation do feel emotional to me. All right, we got it, Mark.
Starting point is 00:19:19 We got it. You're on the other side of the fence. Listen, I know it's going to be the worst day of your life if he signs with the Jets. No, it's not. I just think that it seems to me like an owner-dipped scenario that isn't really, like, is this what the GM wants to do? I know. The GM definitely doesn't want Derell Revis in the secondary.
Starting point is 00:19:35 That's not the point. I think the Patriots, what if Bill Belichick has it in his head? This is probably ridiculous. But wouldn't you, if you were Bill Belichick, wouldn't you be thinking, I've got Tom Brady for another year or two? I'm only going to be around for X amount of years. Just like, go for it. Let's go for it, finally.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Absolutely. And that's a double move. Not finally, but, you know, they've always been a team that thinks ahead, not in the short term, not spending a lot of money. But if ever they were going to, it's now. And two years in a row, the salary cap raises by $10 million. If not now, I mean, when? Go get Revis.
Starting point is 00:20:11 You're a contender. That'd be interesting, not to get too off topic. We've got a lot more to get to. But if you're Bill Belichick, yeah, why would you even stick around in the NFL once Brady retires? Just get out at that point and just go on for whatever time is left. Probably to prove you can win without him. Exactly. You did that with Matt Castle.
Starting point is 00:20:28 That's enough. NFL. That's the one year they didn't make the playoffs. They won 11 games. All right, here we go. Let's move on to another AFC East team. We're kind of going to go division by division because there's so many great stories.
Starting point is 00:20:40 We'll just keep moving on. LaShawn McCoy, after his big blockbuster trade from the Eagles to the bills, there were some whispers out there that the bills were going to have some problems because McCoy maybe wasn't happy with about going up to Orchard Park. Well, not anymore. Rapsheet reports that he gets a five-year deal worth $50,000, excuse me, 40 million with 26.5 million guaranteed. Straight cash, homie.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Including 16 million in his first year. So, yes, he's probably an outlier, barring Adrian Peterson or DeMarco Murray getting a massive deal. But that is some straight cash, homie, for a running back in an era where running backs don't get paid. That's some crazy scratch. 16 million for a guy who, Greg, stat from our stats department, had the fewest yards per touch of any running back with 250 touches.
Starting point is 00:21:31 last year doesn't look like he's about to hit another prime in his career i don't know i would seems like a crazy amount of money to pay a running back what's the best case scenario that he's he's awesome for another year maybe maybe two he kind of goes back to the 2013 level and then he's in decline but i guess maybe he's like 27 years old right now he could have three four more so maybe it happened two years younger than marie jones drew right or he has like a frank gore career that would be the five years younger than, you know, Frank Gore, four or five. The thing is with running back, you just never know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Right. It's a crazy, they paid a Buffalo tax. That's what it was. That was the, we're Buffalo, and we're players don't want to come here, and we're going to just give you extra money for that. It's a little crazy. I mean, that is what it was. I've been to Western New York, by the way, lovely, lovely area.
Starting point is 00:22:18 No, I like, I wouldn't. But I see what you're saying. I've actually never been to Western. It seemed a little, it seems a little desperate. With that said, he gets $26 million guaranteed. I wouldn't be surprised if that's just basically his first. three years so he's guaranteed there the next three years and no other team would have done that though it is a little crazy another another deal for the bills jerry hughes agreed to they spent
Starting point is 00:22:40 a lot of money jerry hughes agrees to a five-year deal worth at least 45 million according to rap sheet 20 million in guarantees uh chris wessling your thoughts on jerry hughes this is a signing they needed to make i don't think they needed to make it i think that mario williams is one of the Best pass. Bills on fire. I mean, I don't know. This is a good deal, though. This is like, I like Greg's use of the word Buffalo tax. Jerry Hughes isn't worth $20 million guaranteed, but he's going to get, I'd rather have
Starting point is 00:23:07 Brandon Graham for $14 million. This is a good Rex Ryan type of player to build your defense around, though, wouldn't you say? I like it. I would not build my defense around Jerry Hughes, but I get with a thing. Well, no, but he's a good piece for. Rex Ryan will be able to unleash it. When we're evaluating the money, we kind of got to wait to see the deal, the details. I mean, Hughes was a great.
Starting point is 00:23:27 part of a defensive line that I said all year was the best in the league. So I like keeping your strength, like building strength on strength. And that's going to be a scary group for a while. It's less than Everson Griffin made. It's not that great. I give the rest of the AFC's credit. This is the Patriots effect of wanting to finally have someone else win that division. These teams are throwing some dough around this offseason.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Right. And to your point, as long as... They won't be able to throw the ball around. I was going to say the bills and the Jets until they figure out the quarterback problems. And then we figure out what Ryan Tannenhill is still waiting on that, Greg's boy, Ryan Tannen. Well, he's coming off a very nice year. They're letting him run the personnel department there, too, down. Smart guy.
Starting point is 00:24:05 By the way, I tweeted yesterday and I stand by it after this sue move. Mike Tannenbaum, former Jets GM. Now, I don't know what the Hickster's deal is in Miami, but it seems like potentially Mr. T is pulling the strings. You know, you don't know where the ride's going when Tannenbaum's running the show, but it's fun. It's an adventure when he's there. I mean, Far have you got Farby, got Tebow, San Antonio. Oh, Holmes plucked Plaxico out of prison. Now he gets Sue.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Hickster is operating as a short-order cook in the Dolphins cafeteria the last I heard. You liked that TiVo Adventure, did you? No, I don't like it. But it's, you know, it's exciting in the moment. And then sometimes it doesn't work out. And then it brought your whole franchise down for a couple of years. Other than that. All right.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Speaking of the Jets, one more note or a former jet, Chris Johnson, this was bummer news that came out Sunday morning. Bummer. was out in Orlando after 4 a.m. And involved in a drive-by shooting in which he gets shot in the shoulder. Another man, the driver, gets shot to death. Another guy gets shot in the car. So he was in the hospital, Johnson, with the injury released, I believe.
Starting point is 00:25:08 On Monday, yeah. On Monday, it doesn't need any surgery. The recovery is a positive outlook. It seems like he's going to be okay. So free agent running back involved in some. And I don't know what's going on with Chris Johnson, because last month he got arrested in Orlando for having two guns in his car
Starting point is 00:25:25 and now he's involved in a shooting incident form an orderly cue interested teams I was going to say to bring him into free agency maybe a little weird but at the same time for a guy that's been in decline on the field and going down this road off the field I don't know it's not going to be a very hot market I would imagine for Chris Johnson
Starting point is 00:25:45 yeah you saw I saw this news and you know immediately there it was reported he's okay the driver passed away but you know one of the other things i thought it's because of what we do is yeah this is this is this is probably or possibly the end of his career too i mean i i kind of expected the end of his career anyways this off right i mean it seems like that could have come without this event right one way or the other next topic yeah i think it's a good point to move on let's move on now to the afc south uh and we'll start with the euston texans a lot cooking with them andre johnson first of all officially
Starting point is 00:26:20 released. We're all over this. I think we had three posts up in a matter of an hour on the around the NFL. Spark some debate. Which you should. People, if you're listening to our podcast and we love you as listeners, but if you really want to be plugged in, you've got to be reading the content on the site
Starting point is 00:26:36 because none of us are considered great orators, yet with the pen, very mighty. Poults are winners. All of us. Don't look that up. But we all I wish you weren't a liar. We do all this writing on it, and we We talked about the Houston Texans and Andrei Johnson and West. I think you wrote the landing spots, potential landing spots.
Starting point is 00:26:56 You did not. Who wrote that? I thought you wrote it, Dan. Did I write the potential landing spots? Wow. Doing a lot of writing lately. Let's see what I thought. No points.
Starting point is 00:27:07 And may God have mercy on your soul. You did a good job with it. I do have some feelings on this. Okay. Well, whatever I wrote, which I assume was a home run. Yep, there it is. You wrote it last week in fairness. Yeah, so there are teams that would make sense.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I have Seattle, New England, Indies, San Diego, Denver. All these places could use Andre Johnson even in some level of decline. But, Wes, I'll throw it to you now after you read my piece closely, I imagine. I don't want to stomp all over your piece. Go ahead. I see him connected to Seattle the most, and I think it's a poor fit. I think what they need, if you watch their games from last year, in my notes, every single game in my notes, their number one weakness is they need a red zone.
Starting point is 00:27:49 zone receiver, a big-bodied guy to fight for the ball. They don't have that. Andre Johnson's strength has never been red zone guy. He's a big-bodied guy. Never had 10 touchdowns in a scene. He's never been like a big leaper. He doesn't get that physical in the end zone. To me, that's not what the Seahawks need. I think he fits well with the Colts as the replacement for Reggie Wayne. Pete Carroll does have some history of going after these veterans to give him a shot. He did that with T.O. There were others down in the past. I mean, and they didn't play out. Yeah, it's not a red zone. threat, but what if they found someone like that in the draft and put Andre
Starting point is 00:28:23 Johnson into the mix? I think part of the motivation with Andre Johnson, if it's actually true versus just he wants more money, is he wants to go to a contender, right? We hear that. I don't know if we're creating that on our own, but it's like Seattle is an absolute hotspot. I know what his motivation should be is the fact you just compared him to Seattle era Terrell Owens. I mean, that's an insult. Well, I wasn't aiming to insult him just to say that Pete Carroll has a history of bringing those old... I think it was falling out of the league at that.
Starting point is 00:28:55 I think... I think the assumption that's been made by a lot of people, including myself, that he wants to sign with the contender is based on some of his belly aching in the last couple years with Houston was because he felt like they weren't going in the right direction as a franchise.
Starting point is 00:29:09 But I don't think he's come out and said anything. We're just assuming. What did you want to go to a good team? Why would you go to a crappy team at this stage in your career? That's how Dorel Revis should feel too. I like your team. options. Jets are going to be really good this year, Wes. Mark my words. Wait until we do sandwich
Starting point is 00:29:24 propositions in August. You got to get me all set up. I know. I'm trying to get you round up. You already got me. I like that you're so big. I mean, it didn't take you long to flush that jet season off your mind. You're ready. You're ready to go. I admire that. I like your pick of the Broncos, by the way. Don't even remember writing. I could see that. I could see the Broncos. Well, he's in his whole career with Gary Kubiak. Right. He was with Kubiak. I could see the Broncos still investing at wide receiver? Absolutely. Also, in Houston news, Thad Lewis was just released. So just, you know, Thad's on the market, so everyone knows.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Also, Ryan Mallet is going to be back with the Texans, as we all expected after the Combine where the Houston Brain Trust was just like falling over themselves over Ryan Mallet, the greatest quarterback of all time. He signed a two-year deal worth $7 million to stay in Houston. And then you also have Brian Hoyer were getting a report from Albert Breer, that the great Brian Hoyer will also be signing with Houston. So it seems like they are moving forward with Ryan Mallet, little Cleveland Springsteen in the mix, too, is a backup, and they're moving forward.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Your thoughts, Mark. It's like a Mike Lombardi fever dream because Lombardi spent years in Cleveland or months, whatever, trying to get Ryan Mallet into the mix, and he went and got Brian Hoyer. That's the only reason they ever had Brian Hoyer, and now they're both in Houston. I still don't, I'm not convinced they have a starter. Hoyer could still end up elsewhere, but our boy Breer is reporting that it's done. Well, it sounds like the Jets right down to the end. New York has shown some interest in them.
Starting point is 00:30:53 You can't give up on Brian Hoyer. I like the first edition of this competition when they were competing for a backup job in New England. Now they're competing for a starting job and he used it. Yeah, there is something distasteful if you were a Texans fan about this, that you're getting rid of Andre Johnson on the same day that you're signing Hoyer and Mallet to compete for a starting quarterback job. It's like, I don't know about renewing the season tickets, honey. You know, after that one.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Well, what's out there? I mean... I know, but I'm just saying, imagine if the Browns did this. If they just, you know, imagine if they just cut, like, the best guy that they've had of the last 15 years on the same day they're signing Hoyer. Oh, how about do that and just go Josh McCown. Disastrous. But, I mean, you know, there's all this oversold business about, oh, Hoyer and Mallet,
Starting point is 00:31:37 no Bill O'Brien's system, and that's going to make a tangible... It's still Hoyer and Mallet. No, I agree totally. Right, and it's still been... Bill O'Brien system. I'm not going to give him the Chip Kelly or anything else that Bill O'Brien's setting the entire world on fire. Are we ready to talk about the Eagles for like 20 minutes straight?
Starting point is 00:31:54 Okay. Love it or hate it. That's what we got to do because there's so much stuff going on with the genius. Chip Kelly, who is infallible, as we know, and every move he's going to do here is going to work out perfectly. Let's start going down the line. Starting with Jeremy Macklin, who I personally, I thought and wrote several posts in the last month or so,
Starting point is 00:32:14 and it always seemed to me like he was going to end up staying with the Eagles, but it's not going to happen that way. Rapsheet reports that Macklin plans to head to the Chiefs on Tuesday to sign with Kansas City, according to a source of formed of his thinking, informed of his thinking. This comes after talks between McLean and the Eagles broke down. So we'll start there. Jeremy McLean leaving the Eagles for the Chiefs,
Starting point is 00:32:37 and Wes, you're shaking your head. Well, you wrote all these articles saying it made sense to stay in Philly. I wrote a bunch of articles saying he would end up in Kansas City. But when it came time for sandwiches to be involved, I didn't throw it out there. So you would have had me on the hook. You just took a shot at Dan, but then admitted you didn't take advantage of it. I wrote it a few times. I put it in our online content, but it was not, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Wes can disagree with, like, my football takes. He is the scientist, but he just can't laugh at me. That's fair. For the Eagles fan hot take, I'm going to go to our old producer, K. Rich, not in the studio with us, but I will quote her Twitter account, I, period, cannot period, stand period, chip Kelly, period, hashtag, I want my Eagles back. It's funny because I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Three emoticon, angry alien characters. And then... She's also an author now, guys, not just a funny. That's true. Ambivalent Hope on Amazon. I mean, she's upset. There's a lot of Eagles fans upset with the people leaving. I think she's feeling some ambivalent hope for the team,
Starting point is 00:33:38 and I think if you go to Philadelphia, I mean, that's a, that's gotta be. First ambivalent hope pop culture records. I just meshed it right in there. Marksessler. We can stop the entire show to, you know, judge it and find out if you like that or not. Let's keep going. But listen, if you're an Eagles fan, they're very, I think they have a right to be angry.
Starting point is 00:33:58 I mean, because, yes, we have to wait and see what happens with Chip Kelly's multiple decisions here that stripped a lot of starts and star power out of this roster. But what do you fill in these holes with? That's the question. I mean, Macklin, for months and months. sounds to sound like he was going to come back. Your wide receiver position isn't shambles right now. You still got your boy, though.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Big country music fan likes to get to as many concerts as possible, Riley Cooper. I like him as a third option. Jordan Matthews and Josh have... I think you can call Chip Kelly egotistical or whatever for some of the decisions or even gutsy, but I don't think failing to pay Jeremy Macklin more than $10 million a year is in any way gutsy or like egotistical. Well, it's a little crazy to pay Jeremy Maclin that much money, and that's what we're expecting it to be more than Randall Cobb made.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Well, what we've seen from Chip Kelly is that he's unwilling to overpay for offensive players. Deshawn Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LaShawn McCoy, but he's willing to overpay for defensive backs because that's what he thinks he can develop offensive players. They'll fit his system. Well, in Macklin's case, he has proof. Jeremy Maclin had, this was his sixth season in the NFL. He never had a thousand yards before Chip Kelly arrived. He's banged up a lot and he's not a real number one.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Right. So we're talking about someone who's getting paid to be a number one. It's just that you, LaShaul McCoy is gone, Deshawn Jackson, and Macklin. And it's the accumulation of all of this talent levy, not whether. We can sit around and say, oh, yes, it wasn't right to pay Macklin X amount of dollars. And that's logical. But to the Eagles fan, number one, thousands of jerseys across the city are now rendered utterly meaningless. And it's players that are playing in other cities, which, again, doesn't matter to us.
Starting point is 00:35:36 But for the people in that city, you're wondering. I've got a message for the Maclin jersey owners. Think about the jerseys people. Do better. At no point was Maclin ever a good idea to buy that jersey? West, there was always better option. You said that you thought on some level Macklin is a kind of a scheme player.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Going and reuniting with Andy Reed, will he be good in Kansas City? He'll be good, but he's being paid to be great. When I say he's not a number one receiver, a number one receiver moves the chains, stays healthy, and is a threat in the red zone. he doesn't stay healthy and he's not a great red zone threat he's not that physical he's not that fast he doesn't box out in the end zone he's pretty fast he's i feel like he got something
Starting point is 00:36:18 after he came back from acel surgery was he like even faster i'm gonna i'm actually volunteering to have my ACLs replaced uh later this year just because these guys come back so well dwayne bow also we assume now history in kansas city if that happens what kind of market do you think he has it's a long way away from 15 touchdown similar to the same market same market that Michael Crabtree has. No, we're saying. Formerly good wide receivers who don't make plays anymore. And it's a locker room, you know, potential nightmare.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Maybe I'm crazy. I still think Crabtree has a chance to have a nice, long stretch of his career where he's a difference maker. I don't think Bo has a chance. Outside of an eight-game stretch to close out the 2012 season, what has he ever done? All right, science. We've got a lot of news.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I mean, he's only had one stretch in his career that's been, like, all right. He's a great holdout with Dion Sanders as his agent or whatever. That was cool. All right, more Eagles news. This time a player coming to the Eagles. It looks like Frank Gore is going to be the new number one running back in Philadelphia. Frank Gore, that is Greg's boy, the inconvenient truth. Bert Breer reporting that a contract, which again, nothing is official
Starting point is 00:37:27 because this is all supposed to be, you know, just a talking period. But a contract that will guarantee the 31-year-old running back 7.5 million over the first two years. It's a three-year deal overall. So I'll start with you, Greg, because it is your boy, Frank Gore. Number one, are you surprised he didn't last his entire career in San Francisco? And number two, will he still have something in the tank for this Eagles team? Well, I'm not surprised about the 49er because as Wes wrote on the page today, yeah, the 49ers are saying goodbye to everyone that's ever made a Pro Bowl or done anything for them,
Starting point is 00:38:00 all their best players ever. They don't want them on the team anymore. What a fit for Frank Gore. I mean, if you wanted Frank Gore to make the Hall of Fame someday, like I do, you could not have picked a better team than the Eagles to rack up some stats at the end of his career. I love it. Well, and for all of the – we heard when they traded McCoy that McCoy ran east of west and danced too much. If you want a North-South runner who's patient and hits the hole,
Starting point is 00:38:25 Frank Gore's the definition of that. I mean, he's averaged more yards per year since he was 27 than – I think – or no, since he was 28 for the five years before that. hasn't really shown much aging and i don't think he's going to get the ball 300 times you know they're going to give it therein sproes they'll probably draft someone too you know though they'll split it up chip kelly's found a little portion of the market here that he can exploit older running backs darren sprules and frank gore both undervalued and they're going to be a good tag team this year both 32 years old that you don't see that too often no having a thunder a lot he'll definitely draft someone yeah uh more philly news mark sanchez has surveyed the market and said this
Starting point is 00:39:05 sucks i'm not going to tennessee are you kidding me and he reups with the philadelphia philly oh that's breaking news mark sanchez now a baseball player uh that was stupid uh he's with the eagles it's a two-year deal five and a half million guaranteed could make up to 16 million if he hits all those incentives according to rap sheet so pretty good backup money uh for mark sanchez and but the only thing i'm curious about with him uh is that this is a to me still a position of unrest in Philadelphia because you have Foles in the mix, you have Sanchez now under contract again, and you have Marcus Marriota hanging over everything, Mark Sessler.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Well, NFL media's Gil Brandt says he knows who Philadelphia is going to take in the first round, and it is not Marcus Marietta. Oh, who? Well, that was not revealed to us. So I guess when that happens, you can just say, listen, I was going to tell you this all the time. Well, we have Gil's phone number. Let's call him up. TD, get on that?
Starting point is 00:40:00 Wake him up. I'm not convinced that Nick Foles will be on this roster, week one. We keep hearing little whispers about potential teams interested in him. He could maybe be up for a trade if the right offer came along. I just, I don't know if this is, I don't think Sanchez is the answer, but it's insurance for what else might happen at the position. He's not the answer, but after five starts with the Eagles and Chip Kelly's offense, it was him, luck, Brady, Rogers, Manning, the only quarterbacks overseeing an offense averaging 350 yards per game. So Chip Kelly
Starting point is 00:40:33 knows that worst case scenario he stays, his offense can still move the chains with him options. I think the Sanchez Eagles experiment started to tail off a little bit as the weeks crept on. I mean, it was a very hot starter. Yeah, I gave rap sheet some grief for saying
Starting point is 00:40:49 on Twitter, noting on Twitter that Sanchez had a career low in interceptions. Well, he only played eight games. He had 11 interceptions. Right. He's still that same guy. That's a lot of interceptions. You know what's funny about Sanchez, though? It was like, yeah, 11, that's too many picks. But the rest of his stats are pretty good.
Starting point is 00:41:04 They're 14. That chance is completion percentage is like almost 65%. So, yeah, that's pretty good for him. I think Foles now is a piece to trade to your jets to go get Marcus Marriota. I mean, it doesn't make a lot of sense. You might have to get past Tennessee at number two, though.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Sure. And more Eagles news. Byron, this is my favorite quote of Sunday or the weekend because, you know, nothing's supposed to be official right now. I'm just some talking, exchanging ideas, thoughts. Are you interested in me? Am I interested in you? Byron Maxwell, quote to ESPN, I'm going to Philly.
Starting point is 00:41:38 The cornerback is signing with the Eagles, leaving the Legion of Boom, where he's obviously found success playing with some all-pro-type players. And now he's being asked in the type of money, I don't know if we have any money figures out there yet right now on Maxwell, but we imagine for the type of money that a star cornerback gets paid. Greg, are the Eagles buying at a premium for a guy that maybe doesn't deserve that type of... Yeah, they probably are. I mean, I like Maxwell in Seattle, but you're right.
Starting point is 00:42:09 The money report so far is $25 million guaranteed. Maxwell was my pick for the most guaranteed money other than Sue that was one of our propositions. And I saw that $25 million, and I thought, ooh, that might win me some sandwiches. I don't know if anyone's going to top that, but Devin McCordy has, and I think now none of us are getting sandwiches. So screw you, Brian Maxwell. I think I had Randolph Cobb who didn't do it. I always wonder how big of a factor is it when a player has the best game of his career against that team. Best game Byron Maxwell ever played was against Seattle or against Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:42:42 when the Seahawks shut down the Eagles offense late in the season, and Maxwell was all over the field. I guess Chip saw that up. I think it matters to Chip Kelly because when they talk about why they drafted Zach Ertz, for instance. It was because of the impression at Stanford he left when he fried. Oregon. So certain coach is probably, if you can beat me, you can take me on. Maybe that has more weight. If that's the only thing, though, that's concerning. That's one of the concerning things of having your head coach run your personnel department. And look, that is a lot of money for
Starting point is 00:43:13 Byron Maxwell. I mean, who knows? But I don't know. I would rather pay Dorel Revis whatever he's going to cost, even if it's $17 million, then whatever Maxwell's making. Moving on, Randall Cobb, who I think was my pick for the most guaranteed money. That's not going to happen, but cooler heads did prevail. He's going back. Julius Thumbes. Oh, was it? Okay, so I'm feeling good still. Randall Cobb is staying with the Packers in a
Starting point is 00:43:39 four-year, $40 million deal in a case in Wes, you were stumping for this to be the reality last week on the podcast. Everything makes sense. He gets paid what seems like fair money for a guy of his level $17 million guaranteed, according to Rapsheet. Wes, everything worked out here. Yeah, I had a lot of debates with the crowd on Twitter that there's a group of people
Starting point is 00:44:03 where there's a mindset that believes that money is the only thing that matters in life. And I always think that happiness should be first. Money can be a big part of happiness. Well-being should be first. It always made the most sense for Randall Cobb to stay in Green Bay. You know, to get 40 million versus 45 million, take the 40, stay with the best quarterback, stay with the coaching staff that knows how to use you, stay with a front office that values you as a human being
Starting point is 00:44:26 and go compute for Super Bowls every year. Then when you're 28, hit the market again and cash in as the best slot receiver in the game, he might end up in the Hall of Fame as the best slot receiver in history. Whoa. He could. Well, with that quarterback, if he's playing alongside Rogers, that's what helps it.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I get concerned about any of these free agents that come from the Green Bay offense or like Julius Thomas with Denver, and they go to a three-win team with questions a quarterback, and you never hear about him again. Talking about Greg Jennings? well there's that example but i think it's going to happen to julius thomas jones deion branch to me is the most similar to randle cobb went and chased the money in seattle never heard from him again
Starting point is 00:45:02 patriots get him back when he's broken as a player and he never does anything again how awesome if you're a packers fan to know that you have randle cobb jordy nelson and aaron rogers through 2018 together and you've had they can put up numbers better than the colts triplets by the way going back to nineteen ninety two you've had at any given time one of the best quarterbacks ever running your team and you've had all the weapons around them so but that's that's the same continuity who what other situation is even similar to them why are you so I agree with Packers fans don't seem like they complain ever to me but you're always they have nothing to complain it what are they going to come complain you about what's what are they possibly upset about here's what
Starting point is 00:45:40 they don't get a Super Bowl another title for Rogers here during this Cobb contract with all them staying together that'd be a disappointment they are a wonderful fan base got to get a lot to you know, moan about, please. I'd get one more. Before we move on to the next subject. Wes, anything else to say about the money and happiness dichotomy in life?
Starting point is 00:46:03 I think I said it. I do think that, well, I mean, you're playing this up a little too much, but I do, I've turned down money a couple of times in my life for happiness, and I don't think I'd be where I am right now if I didn't do that. I think that well-being is more important than money.
Starting point is 00:46:19 But then again, I'm also broke as a joke, so... But not broken as a man. You're a happy guy overall. Yeah, I'm pretty happy. All right. And to keep you happy, we're going to talk about some Mark Ingram, your boy, the Saints, and Mark Ingram,
Starting point is 00:46:32 the running back, agreed to a four-year, $16 million deal, according to Rapsheet. And this, again, goes back to, you know, we talk about it all the time, you know, leading up to free agency. Oh, this team, there's no way they can sign anybody. The Saints were $6 trillion over the salary cap. Oh, here we got, $16 million deal for Mark Ingram.
Starting point is 00:46:50 So I guess they did have some money, figured out a way to get under the cap. Wes, Mark Ingram's staying with the Saints. Do you think that's a wise move for his career? Yeah, I do. I think it's a good fit for both sides. I honestly believe Ingram could have made more money on the open market. But I think he had said a month ago he'd prefer to stay with the Saints.
Starting point is 00:47:09 That's where he's going to be. And I think the Saints realized last year how important he is to their offense. He's a good example of someone that a year ago, when Greg and I went to the owner's meetings, basically it was we're not going to go fifth-year option with this guy. and we're going to challenge him to even prove that he deserves to be on this roster. In one season, he changed the organization's mind completely and made a lot of money for himself. There's been a few of those. Kareem Jackson, Brandon Graham, and Ingram all got second contracts, big ones from their teams.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Wes is smiling over there. I mean, they would have been called bus a couple years ago. Yeah, I asked you, does that mean you're going to buy stock in Trent Richardson this year? That's right. I have no memory anymore. Yeah, no. Well, I do agree with that mindset in the NFL. you can't write off first-round guys
Starting point is 00:47:52 who don't live up the expectations right away. You know they're talented, could be a scheme fit. The Saints switch to a, Mark was talking about this, they switched to a zone blocking scheme last year and it fit Ingram perfectly. And they got rid of Pierre, which we haven't had a chance to mention on the show. We just got to say, pour one out for Pierre Thomas,
Starting point is 00:48:08 one of the all-time New Orleans Saints. We're going to miss you. Best screen pass back of his generation. I get Schills thinking about it. Let's move on to the NFC West, finally. Patrick Willis. This, this, listen, structure of the show. I'm responsible for it, and maybe this should have been higher.
Starting point is 00:48:25 I'm going to say it right now. How was that? How was this? Well, we're doing it in order of divisions, whatever. Come on. And that email I was ced on, as Mark pointed out, how was this this low? Oh, do you mean the email that you could have replied to? Right.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Maybe you get out of the carbon copy zone if you can respond to one of these with the good idea. We lost. Hey, you've ever watched a TV show, they always always, they just put the best 20 minutes up first. No, you save something big for the end. So Patrick Willis, who has been one of the best middle linebackers in the NFL of his era in eight years. This guy went to the Pro Bowl seven times, five first team all pro. This is Hall of Fame type production. 30 years old.
Starting point is 00:49:05 He's out. He's retiring. It's been reported first by Yahoo Sports and then rap sheet confirmed it. He's going to announce his retirement. He missed the end of last year with a toe injury. Apparently he has some stuff outside. the sport that he wants to get interested in. So Patrick Willis, and one of the more stunning news elements of the offseason so far,
Starting point is 00:49:25 walks away from the game at age 30, Mark. But you've got a feel for Jim Tom Sulla because just a month ago, we had Willis. He was at the Combine, you know, spinning his words around in various ways to say that Justin Smith might be back. He's called Frank Gore his type of player. He just loved Frank Gore. He wanted Michael Crabtree back. All four of these guys probably not going to be with the team next year.
Starting point is 00:49:47 And it's not what it's. It's reverse recruiting. I mean, you're losing so many starts and talent right out the door. This team potentially just sits at the bottom of this division next year. Justin Smith said he's not 100% sure he's going to retire, but most people expect him to. Gore, Crabtree, Upotty, Amad Brooks, Stevie Johnson, Chris Culliver, Parrish Cox. The whole list, they could all be gone.
Starting point is 00:50:12 21 Pro Bowls and 850 NFL starts could be walking out the door for the San Francisco 49ers. Doesn't bode well for Jim Tom Sola era. And, you know, Jed York decided that Trent Balke's player acquisition skills were more valuable than Jim Harbaugh's coaching skills. We're going to find out. Jim Harbaugh, to me, comes off like a demented genius. He's getting out right when the ship's going down. He goes, he's going to hang out with co-eds and selling out 150,000 seat stadiums.
Starting point is 00:50:43 A good spot for Jim Harbaugh, Jim Tom Sula, not so much. And Greg had an interesting point. point on Patrick Willis as far as the Hall of Fame discussion. Right. I mean, this is a weird story because in one hand, it's, I don't think it's going to hurt them on the field that much necessarily. You have Navarra Bowman and Chris Borland. That's a great inside linebacker duo if Bowman is healthy.
Starting point is 00:51:02 But it's a massive NFL story if it dropped at a different time of year because Patrick Willis is a Hall of Fame candidate. I mean, how many other five-time first-team all pros are not in the Hall of Fame? I'd love research to do that. Five in a row. I doubt very many. So he was on track to make it to Canton. I think there's no doubt.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Now that his career ends at 30, it'll be a weird case. I kind of think he won't make it now. He did the Jim Brown thing. I think Brown stepped away at 32, right? Obviously not at that level as a player, but kind of in the ballpark for his position, a dominant guy and was among the best in his position from the time he stepped on the field.
Starting point is 00:51:36 He's going to be right on the borderline. He wasn't like a defensive player of the year type of guy, though, either. I mean, he was really good. I saw comparisons to Jim Brown and Gail Sayers, both who were revolutionary talent. in the NFL. No, he wasn't that. And Patrick Willis was not a revolution.
Starting point is 00:51:50 He was all pro, which is, you know, as good as you can get. One of the two best at his position. But he wasn't a Ray Lewis. No. It'll be a tough one. See, TD, you're lucky we're even bringing it up. This guy, come on. He wasn't even Ray Lewis.
Starting point is 00:52:05 But wouldn't you say it was a year or two, he was the premier middle lineback in a league? About two, three years ago. I mean, Bowman really passed him on his own team. That was two years ago. I would say, yeah, three years ago. was like he was supposed to take over from Ray Lewis and then when he was supposed to take over he got hurt and then Bowman started coming in and I don't know
Starting point is 00:52:22 I remember back I think it was 2007 I conducted an interview with Patrick Willis while he was playing Madden against Lawrence Moroni. How about that? Lawrence Moroni Osol on that Hall of Fame fringe conversation Seen like a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:52:39 That's good. That sounds like a impact interview. I'm sure you got a lot of good stuff out of him. Was Moroni high? I think I was Super Bowl week So you'd hope not. Do we want to give any credence to this rumor at Niners' Jim, Trent Balke, shot down, that Colin Kaepernick was being shot by the team. That's not possible, right?
Starting point is 00:52:56 Unless they're just going to fold the franchise. It doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, for what? I mean, unless you're going to trade him for another quarterback. Maybe some team called about him. I mean, the fact that it was just one random radio guy's report, I'm surprised it kind of got to the national consciousness. We should do that.
Starting point is 00:53:12 We should just drop something and see if it takes off. I had no idea this was being talked about. I did a radio interview last night, and a guy asked me, he said that Brian Hoyer was going to San Francisco. That was a threat to Kaepernick's job, and I almost laughed him off the phone. Wes, not the right guy to ask that question. He said Brian Hoyer is an NFL backup. He's not a threat to Colin Kaepernick's job. Finally, this broke, I think, before the weekend, but let's just touch on it quickly.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Marshawn Lynch signs a two-year extension with the Seattle Seahawks. Contract is worth $24 million in new money and pays $31 million over the next three. years. That's some real scratch for Beast Mode. If you watched him in the playoffs, you know he's worth every penny. I mean, the one thing about Seattle that they had going for them a couple seasons ago up until through last year was that their quarterback was playing on a rookie contract. Now you're paying Lynch this kind of money. And what we've heard at the Combine and what was going to come Russell Wilson's way, which was what in the neighborhood of 16 million guaranteed a year potentially, that they've completely changed the way they deal with
Starting point is 00:54:12 success is forcing them to pay players in an outrageous manner. they're confident that they can that Russell Wilson's number against the cap in his first year will be about seven million which isn't which isn't bad compared to other high high end quarterbacks I don't see any any other team's roster as stronger than Seattle I mean Green Bay will be right there but no even with paying all these guys are still going to be really good um the most interesting thing here I thought was I think they guaranteed a money significant money into the second year so as long as Marshaun Lynch wants to play this issue is put to bed and it me of, you know, and we're guilty
Starting point is 00:54:48 of this too, all season long, it was just assumed he was gone. I mean, it was reported, he's gone. Well, they changed their tune, though. Yeah, but I know, but that just shows how... NIFL teams change their mind, too. Mark, what I take out of this, you should threaten to retire. I like that. Greg would give me very little resistance
Starting point is 00:55:01 and I'd be suddenly on Monster.com for, like, seven hours today. It's monster.com still up. I don't know. That's the last time I was looking. Hey, before we... So those are, like, the lead headlines that we just went through. We're going to do some quick hits, but before I'll just take a little
Starting point is 00:55:15 break. A little breather. First of all, give ourselves a round of applause. Really great job on the news, guys. Yeah. I know Mark's not giving himself a round of applause. He doesn't like it when we get on us. Very humble man. Who was the one that made? Someone got a rare laugh out of TV, TD during the show, too.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Yeah, I don't recall what it was. That doesn't happen to. It had nothing to do with what we were doing. It usually finds her show totally not amusing at all. Must have been right when the soccer game ended. All right, so let's do it right. So an update on our celebration music, TD, we're retired. the following song.
Starting point is 00:55:48 It's going to be at the top of his list. We need a new song just to celebrate the end of this one. All right, so my entry was This Is How We Do It by Montel Jordan. Great. Mark, by the way, a little fudging of the time element on Montel. You mentioned on the podcast that it was blasting
Starting point is 00:56:09 in high school dances for you. The song came out in like 96, I believe, 95. I think it was 94. You would have been in college. or ending your, unless you were going to high school dances as a 23-year-old man. I was not, but I mean, this sounds like a lot of songs are at my dances. Listen, I have no idea what happened back then. So now it's time Wes and Mark both are going to give up their submissions for their songs.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Again, we could have multiple songs. We'll start with Chris Wessling, who you mentioned it on the show, a previous show, that this is a song that you wanted to play. We got it set up. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, so you want to play it right now? Let's play it. Let's play it.
Starting point is 00:56:43 T. That's good Wes doing some type of Raise the roof I like this song This is great That is a school dance song
Starting point is 00:56:58 Right there You were trying to make the case downstairs That it was the greatest song of all time In the history of music Well that seems Well I mean I might be a little bit A little hyperbolic But that's great
Starting point is 00:57:08 That's another great one Who's the artist again? Rob bass and DJ Easy Rock They're on the fringe for the Hall of Fame as well Rock and Hall Hall of Fame. And now Mark Sessler, also, he had been in communication with T.D. shaking his head. I'm really looking forward to this. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:57:24 None of us know. This is Mark's submission for a celebration song. I know this song. Be honest. I can tell you. Is that Orinoco flow? No, I can tell exactly what this is because my mother, Deb, who's an Irish-American woman, loves Enya.
Starting point is 00:57:49 And Enya played often in my dining room as a child. This is Enya. Listen, I don't think I need to even put a hard sell on this. You guys are giving me a bunch of mid-90s, you know, dance halls, mid-level songs. I'm giving you an anthem that probably at any age in human history could have made people feel something. Since it's your song, we can definitely use it. I would say, though, next time West gets philosophical, we could also drop an Enya behind it, too. Oh, it's very versatile.
Starting point is 00:58:18 You could use it in multiple ways. It's like Brandon Graham. It makes a lot of sense, too, because Mark doesn't like food, and I feel like Enya is the type of musician for people who don't really like music. Because she's tasteless. They listen to Enya. I don't think that was a fair summary on your car. I don't agree with this. They had their songs on.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Let's just play my song. Let's do it. Snake Attack. Ooh. You got to top this one? Stop. I like Greg doing some production work behind the scenes. I like this development.
Starting point is 00:58:52 It's a solid third place, Mike. You didn't play the words. No. You got to get to that. You can beep it out. If you would have lute me in, I would have told you, you got to give Tid a little more instruction. No, I didn't know about it.
Starting point is 00:59:03 No, we decided to get to playing the words. Oh, it is obscene, according to the FCC. Where we are not governed by, are we? Get the F up. Farrow Mons. and look it up on YouTube. That's a great song, too. Good example by our supervisor.
Starting point is 00:59:16 I mean, that's going to get you excited. So those are our celebration submissions. And, TD, if you could just work them all in, potentially just keep them on the board. It'll be good. There's a limited space here, guys. You know, we don't have the whole world. I feel like I didn't even get a fair shot there.
Starting point is 00:59:37 I mean, you've got to bleep it out and use the words next time. You don't have anything to apologize for, Greg. That's good stuff. All right. Finally, let's go through some quick hits. We're going to do this quickly. In fact Titty, let's lay under
Starting point is 00:59:50 some zany, like, you know, fast moving type music as we go through these. And let's start... Farnie Hill? Yes, what's... Is that what it? Benny Hill. Let's get some Benny Hill music. The Brit Funnyman. Yes. Area Brit funnyman.
Starting point is 01:00:06 We'll start with Todd Harriman's, who signs a deal with the cults released by the Eagles. One comment each on these gentlemen added now to the Colts offensive line. We'll start with you. Chris Wesleyan, Todd Herman. Makes a lot of sense. Colts need guards.
Starting point is 01:00:23 All right. Great Twitter account. Oh, wait, one each. Well, that's okay. I could use a little more heat. The Jets have re-signed David Harris through a three-year $21. A half million deal, including $15 million guaranteed. I think it was a good move.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Overpaid a little bit for a guy on the wrong side of 30. However, keeps him out of Rex Ryan's neighborhood. I think that was part of the A. F.C. East War that you're going to overpay Harris because you don't want Rex to get him. They're all about overpaying for players that around three years ago were peaking. All right. Good job. Your team is horrible forever, Mark. Brandon Flowers is staying with the Chargers, our boy, Brandon Flowers, who came into the studio and seemed confident of a deal getting done with the Chargers.
Starting point is 01:01:01 He does get a four-year deal. Also, Orlando Franklin, leaving the Broncos, we're told, we're hearing to go to the Chargers. Helps them out. Interior alignment, but they desperately need. so they're making some smart moves right now. Mark. Mike McCoy knows Franklin very well from their time together in Denver. Good fit. I mean, it just shows.
Starting point is 01:01:20 You show up on the podcast. You get paid. You get millions of dollars days later. Well, unless you're us. Harim Jackson said last month he would love to re-sign with the Texans. Guess what? He was signed with the Texans. Four years, $34 million.
Starting point is 01:01:34 20 million guarantees. The cornerbacks flying off the board and free agency before free agent even begins. That's why Revis, I think, is going to get so much money. The top three cornerbacks, they're all gone. Stephen Pia, Paya, Piaia, says he's going to the Redskins, Chris Wessling. Stephen Piaia. Well, they dumped Barry Cofield and Stephen Bowen. They were desperately in need of an interior pocketbook.
Starting point is 01:01:59 The Jaguars are lighting the world on fire right now. What? Was that fast enough for you? Faster? Oh, my God. Jared Odrick and Jermie. Come on, Jeremy. Let's be serious.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Parnell. to the Jaguars we're hearing. Julius Thomas may be to the Jaguars, but right now, Jeremy and Jared. Double J. Chris Wesley. Well, Greg mentioned the Buffalo tax. Jacksonville has to pay a tax as well.
Starting point is 01:02:23 That's why they shell out outrageous money for Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy, obviously, vastly overpaid, but is that not a birth certificate spelling mistake that's just carried on? That's all that is. I was just at the DMV. You can afford a vowel now. The state of California refers to me as Daniel Hangus,
Starting point is 01:02:39 so I'm working on that myself. if I understand what it's like. Fastly. Faster. Remind me sometime to tell you the Fennist Dembo story. All right. Chief Center, Rodney Hudson, signed a big deal. That's all I wrote, and I don't know anything about him or his deal.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Someone, jump in on Rodney Hudson. Hey, Oakland save up all this cap space to sign the Chief Center. All along, he was Dwight Stevenson, and we never knew it. And Brett Kiesel, released by the Steelers every media day. He's walking around with the head and shoulders, people. It's really cute. We might not see him this year. Next year, because he's not in the league, potentially.
Starting point is 01:03:09 No, he'll be on the team in mid-October, along with James Harrison, and they'll both be on the team for the next seven years somehow because they're robots. Finally, Tori Smith says, bye to the Ravens. Looks like he's going to the Niners. Not a done deal, but it's probably going to happen. Wes. Colin Kaepernick can overthrow him on Deephole. That's it.
Starting point is 01:03:26 Stop the clock. Awesome. Good work, guys. All right, that's it. That's it for today's edition in the Round the NFL podcast, a supersized edition because we had so much to get to. Real quick, Greg, not too quick. We just went so fast.
Starting point is 01:03:38 We don't want the audience to recover. What are you looking forward to on Tuesday when the actual free agency starts? Shoot, I don't know. We got the whole rest of the day. I want to see where Revis lands. Start there. A lot of the big names are taken off. How about Percy Harvin?
Starting point is 01:03:52 That's kind of the name out there we don't know anything about. I'm going to see the Patriots, real Revis back in, sign Percy Harvin, along with six other Pro Bowl-Bull type players, go 12 and 4, another Super Bowl Jets, 6 and 10. I want to see more of Mark taking out his Brown's frustration on the Jets, which seems like a weird thing to do. Put it on a good team if you're going to be frustrated with someone. Leave my guys alone.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Wes, final words on life. L-I-N. Living. All right, we will be back on Wednesday to discuss the first full day of actual free agency. And, you know, I'm sure it will be excellent. There will be a lot of talk, a lot of mirth. And it's hopefully some celebration music. This is Dan Hansis, signing off for The Sizzler, the Mailman,
Starting point is 01:04:37 the boss and T.D. behind the glass till Wednesday.

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