NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Free Agency Frenzy Day 2: Boston TE Party, Bears and Texans New QBs

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news from the second day of Free Agency Week. Big news dump: The Patriots grab some other big ...Free Agents (4:18), Odell Beckham sends some eerie tweets (19:20) and Ryan Fitzpatrick has a new team (20:21). The Jets get involved in the FA action with some new moves (22:43), the Bears get a new quarterback (35:05) and a new QB IN HOUSTON! (51:02). We round out the show with 8 o'clock delight (56:32) and Dan refuses to sign off.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:33 Some heroes, that was Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. I'll tell you what. The initial plan for me and the lady, me wife, was, oh, this is our, you know, five-year home. It's not our forever home. Plans have changed. I'm never leaving because I'm never moving, ever again. because today was actually worse than yesterday. I thought actually moving from the old house to the new house
Starting point is 00:02:02 was a pain in the ass. And it was. But today, my wife, my wife, had to drive my youngest to preschool. And then that left me alone with my oldest. And then in that time, while I'm trying to set him up with Zoom class, I get a knock on the door. It's the guy that's come to mount the TV. Then I get another knock on the door.
Starting point is 00:02:23 It's the guy in the back. He's the pool guy. I have to learn how to deal with a pool because I have a pool now. He's trying to show me things. I get another knock on the door. It's the locksmith to change all the keys. I get another knock on the door. I'm not making this up.
Starting point is 00:02:35 It's the neighbor saying Tuesday at 10 a.m. A street cleaning and you got to get all these cars off the road. I almost had a meltdown. In fact, I did have one with my wife. And I feel bad and I will apologize when she gets home if she comes home. This is all very stressful. And I just want to say that this podcast, it really is, as it's been in the past, is a calm amid the storm.
Starting point is 00:02:57 I feel comfortable and safe here, and I don't really want to leave this little spot because once I do, chaos will once again reign supreme. I would say that you absolutely, I mean, your guys, and I know you couldn't time it out perfectly, but to have this land right during the thick of free agency was a master stroke by the hands of family. So stupid.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Moving is the worst. I'm with you. And it's tricky. Like you think about, you know, our ancestors. and the frontiers men who, you know, were first in this country, and, like, all the pool men and TV setter uppers that they had to deal with when they were just moving all the time. It was, it's tough. Forget about those people.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Think about me. Think about what I'm going through, Greg. No, it is the absolute worst. It's one reason I have stayed away right at least so far from this moving. Hey, you, Greg? This moving bonanza going on. I haven't moved in seven years. First time since high school.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I think I've made it past three years in a place that's great. Well, it was hard enough to get your wife to even move to Los Angeles. So that's, you know, one thing in the time. I mean, I do think that I was the winner here, though, because we had a lovely time with young Jack and Harrison over at the house. And I will, these guys remind me a lot of my own sons. But it was a lot. I had a great time.
Starting point is 00:04:17 They were wonderful. And I, like, the one thing I forgot about that little, when they're little, like when Harrison is, he's four. And it kept telling me, I'm for I was like really that's awesome but they are obsessed with Godzilla and like we were watching some movie that they had pinpointed and Harry kept going
Starting point is 00:04:33 Godzilla's already big has already big person I was like you're right he is mad relative to the objects around him he's huge it was an absolutely wonderful time I'm glad yeah children go through fads and things that they become obsessed with and then forget about and some hang around longer than others with this Godzilla versus Kong movie
Starting point is 00:04:53 coming out. There has been a ramp up that is really unrivaled in my house in terms of the obsession. Like they devour all the YouTube video. And all of this, of course, ties in again to them being stuck at home and all this stuff. So they're more plugged in to screens while mom and dad are busy. And they just know everything about Godzilla and the history of the franchise and all the other monsters within the Godzilla universe. I mean, the movie, when that comes out at the end of the month is going to be a bonanza in this house, so a lot going on. A lot going on in the NFL. How about that? We're going to get to it all. Everything that's happened in the last 24 hours. And Greg, I was thinking about this because again, the Patriots have won free agency. I mean, that's, that's the headline.
Starting point is 00:05:41 And that's it is. No, I'm saying that. Only you're projecting that. Well, then call me a seer because I've doing this long enough when they're writing the pieces at the end of the week. The Patriots are back. Bill doesn't want to, he doesn't want to deal with seven or nine ever again. And I get it. And he doesn't. I'm sure he doesn't. I'm wondering if, though, like this super aggressive spending spree by the Patriots, and your take yesterday, which was they were so talent poor in so many areas, of course, they've had to go
Starting point is 00:06:09 this route, which obviously that makes sense. But I wonder if there's maybe a just like a twins of desperation involved here, that he was so used to being the man. and being unchallenged in his greatness, that the sour taste of 2020 has caused him to be aggressive in a way he wouldn't have been years ago when he was more confident in his standing amidst the NFL universe.
Starting point is 00:06:37 How about that, Greg? I don't think it's a tinge of desperation. That it's, I think it was born out in November and December. People saying like, well, he watched Brady and now it's like he's jealous. It's like, no, he watched his team. He watched such a lousy, passing game and then front seven so those would be the two things I would identify most
Starting point is 00:06:57 which are among the worst in the NFL and there was no coaching around that they just didn't have talent so I think it's a ton of desperation I don't think the whole like the league's talking about how he's fallen or this or that is necessary like his prime motivation but he's a prideful guy who doesn't want like who doesn't want such a lousy team I do think one thing that's been missed though is that they were setting up for this a little bit I mean I don't think They've never gone into an offseason with this amount of cap space. And I do think they were setting up a little bit for this off season to do so. Don't you think a little bit there?
Starting point is 00:07:30 I mean, the Patriots draft record has been somewhat spotty forever. Right. They're making up for their – had they been like 40% more successful with some of their draft picks? Like, I don't know. They wouldn't be in this situation. I'd say the last three years. People get on him as a drafter. It's like I would say he'd be average or better for.
Starting point is 00:07:51 the 15 years he's been there. But the last three years have been terrible. They just drafted two, you know, two tight ends in the third round last year before signing Johnny Smith and Henry who were about to get there. So, so they traded up for one of them. So that is an immediate like, whoops, you know, they have, they have not done well in the draft the last couple of years. So what are you going to do on Friday when our features editor, Ali Bunpuri, connects with you and says, hey, we need somebody to write the Patriots, our back article. column and he says, I think you're the guy to do it. Do you say, no, I'm not doing it because I don't believe in the narrative. I, you know, you can go to NFL.com right now. I wrote a big thing on
Starting point is 00:08:32 the Patriots last night, essentially saying what I just did. It was born out of desperation that he knows how bad his roster is. And so he's just throwing it against the wall. Some of these will work. Some of them won't. The only thing I'm pushing back on is your narrative, Dan, because I think they're getting a lot of criticism. I think everyone's saying, look, at the Patriots being desperate in a way that they never, excuse me, that they never were before. I think it's a, it would be a prime spot to bring back the celebrated, I mean, this would be Ali's territory that he said, he said column from way back when. You could have Dan on the left side doing his Patriots of one thing and Greg on the right. You know, we all have an occasional
Starting point is 00:09:14 like a frog in our throat. It happens to all of us. So Greg, I'm not like, you know, pointing you out. But every once in a while, they're really good ones, and that was a good one. That was a bad one. Good one, bad one. Mine's happened on NFL Network, like the worst possible time. I like Marx, because there is, speaking of tinge, there's a tinge of panic, and you can see him hitting the mute button and guzzling down some water and it just won't go away. That snuck up on me or else I would have hit the mute button. Didn't see it coming. So, yes, human. It was vulnerable and human.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Again, my world is spinning. So I know the Patriots yesterday. came to terms with Johnny Smith. What was the other big move they made? They made a couple, obviously, multiple moves. Matt Judon was the other one. Matt Judon was the biggest one. And then also Jalen Mills and Devon Godchow, we talked about. I mean, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:06 They might have six or seven new starters. Whether it works or not, they will be playing on this team. So that was Monday. Then Tuesday rolls around and overnight into Tuesday. The Patriots weren't done. They didn't just want the best tight end on the market or the one that most people were hot about. They wanted the other guy
Starting point is 00:10:22 that people were talking about Hunter Henry. So the Patriots lock up Henry. Let's get a little thrown at ease because I know Erica's pumped up. She's still sour about this Cam Newton situation and she's still suffering because she, you know, maybe Greg is saying he didn't care that Tom Brady won another Super Bowl somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:10:39 But you know it killed Ricky. You know it killed Erica. So Erica, give me some throne of ease. And now you have Hunter Henry and Janu Smith, Johnny Smith, and of course, now you're going to have, hey, this is Gronk and Aaron Hernandez all over again. Could it be Greg? Do you think that, or is there one thing missing here?
Starting point is 00:10:58 And it's like 34-year-old Tom Brady. Well, yeah, that's the biggest thing still missing. But it gives them a chance, whether it's Cam Newton or a rookie to be named later or some other veteran that's thrown in this mix. You have to admit, it's ridiculous that Demir Bird led the team in snaps last year and that Jacoby Myers was by far the best receiver on the team, including their tight ends. That's among the worst receiving groups in the last decade. And so now you have Hunter Henry and John Newsmith two top 10 tight ends, who you can do a lot with. They were last in the league according to next gen stats and two tight end sets over the last
Starting point is 00:11:36 two years. And they used to be first in the league every year with Gronk and Hernandez. There's not like neither one of them is Hernandez on the field or off the field, thankfully, I hope. free Henry I wanted to like say you know Johnny Smith is the grong because I kind of called him
Starting point is 00:11:55 a poor man's grong but Henry is really not like he's more like another gronk but just not that sort of blocker but it just makes them so much more versatile
Starting point is 00:12:05 and then you sign Nelson Aguilar too and you think okay between him and Kendrick Bourne who's more of a slot guy you have a lot of guys who can move inside it out
Starting point is 00:12:14 you have a lot of versatility you can play fast I mean they have guys Is this even an above average receiving group? Maybe not still. Like this gets them from like 32nd to 18th or something, but that's a big jump. But Greg, I think you pointed one thing out that they just lay had no versatility last year.
Starting point is 00:12:33 They were shipwrecked in terms of what they could do. You mentioned that they used two tight end sets at 3.2% of the time, which is by far the lowest in the league. And they averaged one yard per play when they had two tight ends on. the field. So, I mean, that is counter and completely opposite for what Belichick tried to do on offense for a long time. I think if you're Cam Newton as a starter too, you're getting stronger right up the middle. I like it a lot. It is like 56 million and guaranteed money, but I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care about that part of it as a human being if it works. They got the two best tight ends available and it opens up what they can do. And I do think that someone like
Starting point is 00:13:14 Kendrick Bourne got better each year in San Francisco. He's not a star. Nelson Agilore had a best year after a really rough career in Philadelphia. If you get those versions of those guys, you're looking up. You're a completely different offense. And you're probably a run first offense, too, still. Well, especially if Cam's going to be your guy, but I don't think he will be, that's all. And, you know, that gets to my point. I like all these moves.
Starting point is 00:13:36 I think Smith and Henry, that's great. That's going to make them so much more dynamic and be able to have guys that can make plays, whether it's down the seam or just in general just have more talented players on the field. Nelson Aguilar, I've talked about him and the ramp up toward free agency that I thought he could be somebody's bargain because he really did flash with the Raiders. I'm not sure why they didn't try harder to keep him around. But it all kind of goes back to Cam. And can Cam Newton coming off a season where he had, what, eight touchdown passes?
Starting point is 00:14:06 And I know he ran for double digit scores. But, you know, that's pretty remarkable the number of touchdown passes he had. And a lot of that played into his supporting cast, of course. But Nelson Aguilar is a guy that did all his damage or a lot of his damage as a deep threat. Can Cam deliver throws like that anymore? Can he be accurate enough to take advantage of these great tight ends? And then you could say, well, maybe it's not going to be Cam. Maybe it's going to be somebody else.
Starting point is 00:14:30 All right, maybe it is. But then you've got to think about what we've been talking about, like all these deals where it's like four-year deal, 50 million dollars. And then we're like, well, it's actually just a two-year deal for all these guys. A bunch of two-year deals, basically, yeah. And what that to me says, it's like there's more urgency than you realize with this. You can't necessarily kick away a year if Cam can't really play because you're basically paying these guys on two-year deals. So there is always urgency, especially the way contracts are structured. Cam has to be able to play unless there is.
Starting point is 00:15:03 And Belchick seems like he's, I don't know, whether he's on tilt or whether he's being extremely savvy and we'll find out. but he's going to want results this year and you wonder how patient he'll be with Cam or if he feels like he needs to make another splash. There's reports out there that they're in on Chris Carson and Leonard Fornett as well. They're just looking to do a complete makeover
Starting point is 00:15:23 via free agency, which usually does not work, but since it's Belichick, you get the benefit of the doubt and you get things like the Patriots are back and again, Greg's saying I'm the only one that's saying it. Maybe right now I'm the only one that's saying it. There's some people. I would say it's like 50-50. It is.
Starting point is 00:15:39 It's definitely out there as a narrative. I've just seen sort of the counter narrative just as hardcore because that is the logical one. If you look at the highest spending teams in guaranteeing money in the history of free agency, the Jets 2018 and 2019 are both in the top four. That didn't work. The Dolphins last year is number one. That did work to a degree, although two of the biggest signings they had, Shaq Lawson and Kyle Van Nuoy are no longer on that team.
Starting point is 00:16:09 even though the team did better some of those signings didn't work. The Patriots are going to pass those teams and they'll be the most. So this, it is unprecedented. It is out of desperation. It does make them more fun to watch. I do think, though,
Starting point is 00:16:23 Belichick's in it to win it every year. I believe he was last, I believe they maybe took a little bit of a step back last year, but even then he thought they would be better than they were. I mean, I think he thinks they're playing to win a title every year. Don't send me down this road, right? Then I'm going to ask you why Tom Brady's not on the team anymore if he's really in it to win it every year.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Because he, I think the reason is at some point you're going to have to take your medicine with the dead money and you kept kicking the can. And they decided clearly too early based on how well Brady can still play with a good surrounding talent that last year was the year to do it. And that Brady wasn't going to succeed with last year's Patriots team, which by the way, I agree. They kind of ate a lot of cap space last year to open it up this year. They wouldn't be spending all this money if they had Tom Brady.
Starting point is 00:17:08 It doesn't mean they made the right decision. Brady would have made that team much better last year. Well, yeah, but he wouldn't have been in the same situation. He was in Tampa Bay. And back to Dan's thing, I do think that there is an enormous amount of people that think this is sort of a Bill Belichick revenge toward. Now, I'm not trying to be like some sort of talk radio person saying that. But if you go on Twitter, how many people yesterday in Twitter is extremely annoying this week?
Starting point is 00:17:31 It is burning me up. It is eating me up. But, like, it's how many individuals, it's like everything the people, do it's a gift of someone being like Bill Belichick to the football world and it's like someone slapping a man in the face. I don't know. It's just like a lot of creativity. Everyone sort of saying the same thing. So I appreciate the fact that we have two people here saying different things. Well, Riddick, Lewis Riddick stands out to me. There's a couple of Belichick guys in the media and to give Riddick some credit, he forecasted this a month ago. He said, you got to be kidding me
Starting point is 00:18:05 if you think Belichick is just going to sit by. He's going to go. nuts. And I think Casario leaving, this is why I want to make one final point, is a huge deal. You have heard rumors in New England that the front office guys were all getting frustrated because more than ever the last couple of years, Belichick's showing up on drafting and saying, oh, that's nice you did all this work. I'm going to do whatever I want to do. And it hasn't really worked that well necessarily. And now in free agency, maybe you get to feel that like everyone that's usually kind of a little more calm when free agency is out the window. Belichick's just doing whatever he wants to do.
Starting point is 00:18:40 We'll see if it works. I don't want to, yeah, and I don't want to be reductive here, but it's, they have an ugly seven and nine season. Kind of amazing. They won seven and nine. Yeah, it was an ugly seven and nine. The first game, first place schedule. It's an ugly seven and nine in the first year without Tom.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Tom goes and wins the Super Bowl, and then the Patriots a month later spend more money than anyone in the history of the sport and free agency. Again, I don't want to oversimplify it, but you can connect the dots there. or the bill is like, okay, I want to build a team here. I can't, I can't go through that again. He's also not 48 years old. I mean, it's like, you know, he can't go into a six-year rebuild mode. And I think that he simply refuses to do that.
Starting point is 00:19:22 But most of the teams that do that are poorly run, poorly led, and can't figure out their own problems. I think the Patriots are saying, we're going to figure this out quicker than some of these other clown shows. On the subject of the Hunter Henry signing, let's hear from the voice, the conscience. of Patriots fans, Scott Zolak. We got breaking news? Oh, jeez. Oh, jeez. No.
Starting point is 00:19:45 No way. No way. That was not really for the radio audience, but that was Zolak's radio show. They were just all standing up and going crazy, I guess. Going crazy over Hunter Henry signing. All right. Okay, so there we go. They also took one of your jets, Henry Anderson.
Starting point is 00:20:06 How about that? I saw that. Well, an X-Jet. He was about that. It was a nice trade by the Jets a couple years ago from the Colts. They got him for a litre-round pick. He blew up and had a nice little season and then did nothing for two years after getting paid.
Starting point is 00:20:16 I don't think they're done, by the way. I'm sure it would be a pro ball. Glazer put out a tweet saying like, watch out. Wouldn't surprise me if they're in the mix for more or more. They need an offensive lineman. They've lost Joe Tunney and their center, David Andrews is a free agent too.
Starting point is 00:20:31 So they're not done. I would say also, this may mean nothing because these things usually are nothing, but O'Dell Beckham tweeted a few things right before we start. that have people freaking out. Act two, he wrote. And then thanking God and other stuff. So, you know, that could be, he had a nice day at the gym, but it could be something else.
Starting point is 00:20:48 I'm not sure. Isn't Cleveland Act two? I mean, the Giants were Act I mean, the Giants were Act I mean, people were wondering if what it meant was that he's going back to New York for an Act 2, which could be the Jets, could be the Giants, who knows, or the Bills, certainly not the bills, but New York, I mean, I can't, I can't lie. I mean, if the Jets pulled off a trade where they didn't give up a lot, And I mean, first round picks to get O'Dell Beckham.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I'd be excited, but it's like... What we wouldn't be hearing about O'Dell Beckham is a distraction anymore if he went to the Jets. It would be... No, he would be great. Those side plots and conversations would vanish. Listen, he puts his head down and he does the work. That's it, yeah. In other news, Ryan Fitzpatrick, I guess he's not retiring.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Not only is Ryan Fitzpatrick not retiring. The Amish rifle. See, everybody calls him Fitzmagic, but if you go back long enough, you could say the Amish rifle. Ryan Fitzpatrick has found a landing spot where he's finally going to get a starting job, I think, out of this. The Washington football team signed the veteran to a one-year $10 million contract. Shefter reported that Fitzpatrick is expected to head to camp as the starter with competition from Tyler Heineke, which I know everybody was over the moon about Tyler Heineke in that playoff game against Tampa. It was fine. It was good. But I think Ryan Fitzpatrick,
Starting point is 00:22:07 the idea of him getting a shot here after really Greg the last three or four years he's played as well as he's ever played and he's really earned a starting job and I hope the rug doesn't get pulled out from under him here yeah I would expect him to start because you know Heinecke's making less than half as much I think the contracts are always instructive you know when you look at cam newton's money and james Winston's money who will get to they're making almost half as much as Fitzpatrick And Heineke's making less than half as much as Fitzpatrick. I think he used that retirement as a little bit of leverage. And there was probably some competition. Maybe it was from Chicago. Most likely it was from Chicago based on reports. And that, you know, it's not like primetime starter money. They might still draft a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:22:56 But if I'm a Washington fan, like your season just got more fun. If you're a fantasy football owner of McLaurin or Logan Thomas or Antonio Gibson, you're probably going to get more yard. I mean, they won seven games coaching around their quarterbacks last year. Fitzpatrick's an upgrade. Mark's not feeling it. No, I love Ryan Fitzpatrick, but I guess I'm just wondering if this is sort of the Ron Rivera experience to some degree that you're always going to tilt towards a veteran who's been
Starting point is 00:23:25 around the block that you trust versus what I really think Washington should do, which is aggressively find the quarterback of the future. They tried to do that with Dwayne Haskins that obviously didn't work out. They made the playoffs. They kind of ruined their pick. You know, they had the same record as the Patriots, but they're going to be picking pretty late because they made the playoffs. That's true, but I mean, there are always ways.
Starting point is 00:23:44 There are always ways to get, to get up. And is it a safer plan than you'd want if you're a Washington fan thinking beyond this next season? In other news, you've heard it before, and I'm praying to God, you never hear it again. The Jets haven't had a premium pass rusher. since John Abraham left in 2005. It is the lead of a million notebooks by Jets beat writers over the past decade and a half.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And if Carl Lawson is able to take his game in the direction that some people think he can, maybe at long last the curse of John Abraham will be lifted. The Jets signed Lawson formally of the Bengals to a three-year, $45 million contract, and includes 30 million guaranteed. He hasn't had huge numbers, 20 sacks and four seasons. But when you read about it, and obviously when you're a fan of a team, you start just ingesting all this content. Everybody seems to love him and sees him as an ascendant player
Starting point is 00:24:51 and the fact that he's in terms of QB rushes and hits, he's way up there in terms of his positional group, that Lawson is a guy who can make the next step mark and become a star pass rusher. And especially with Robert Sala there, who his defense thrives off that. And he had it in Nick Bosa, a guy in the edge that could go get a quarterback. And it all hinged on that. It's supposed to be Carl Lawson.
Starting point is 00:25:17 I trust Robert Sala. I can tell you that. So, hallelujah, soliloia, soliloia, solelujah. So I ask you this, Mark Sessler. Do you like this move? I would say this, that we're all pro-Roberts Sala and the whole situation happening. I wonder if things could get a bit tiresome down the road. But Carl Lawson and me, what you're getting is like...
Starting point is 00:25:43 It sounds like you've already gotten there, Mr. Suss. No, no, no, I honestly think... You mean with that sound... The sound of the draft. Like, you know, I would like to think that when the Browns made the playoffs for the first time ever on our show, I took a rather quiet, hushed, humble approach to it. I don't think that's the approach we'll take at the Jets. start off eight and one. But you deserve it. And I think the Jets are in a completely different
Starting point is 00:26:06 place than they bid. You're conflicted in the way you're speaking right now. No, no, no. This is a Jets team that I can buy into more than these past incarnations. I think Carl Lawson is like, if anything, if you just get what he's sort of been every year, I like it much more than like going after Trey Hendrickson, who I, you know, had a great season last year and we'll get to him. But that is, that's more of a gamble. I think Carl Austin is going to give you production like he did in Cincinnati right away. They know that. They trust him. He's been super consistent. And I think it's a great person to pair alongside, you know, Quinn and Williams on that
Starting point is 00:26:41 line. It's crazy. They've not had like a reliable pass rush since 2005. That's absurd. And quickly, this leadership has come in and changed that. So you have to look at the Jets in general with some of the other stuff that they've done, which we can discuss. Like, this is a different Jets team. It just is. And I trust the leadership. And I haven't there for as long as I've known you, Dan, so this is different. I love Lawson. I mean, he was number five on the final 101 list after you took away the franchise tags and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:27:13 And initially, it was really hard to separate all these passengers. Hendrickson and Gacquay, Judon, Dupree. You could even throw Shaq Barrett in there. It's funny because they all got very similar contracts. Barrett was like a little higher than the rest, and Gacquay was a little lower. The rest were almost identical. And Lawson was my first.
Starting point is 00:27:32 favorite, just sort of my personal favorite, because I've watched them the last two years, and to me he's pass rush in a bottle. He wasn't getting a lot of attention, but a lot of juice, every snap, effort, speed, it's what you want. Now, he's not going to play like a thousand snaps. At least the Bengals didn't use him that way. But, man, he was fourth among Ed Rushers and pressures and second and hits. And when you watch them snap after snap, he just seems like he's always there. And I really liked him because he's the type of free agent. I think you got a chance that he gets better. Now you're upgrading the coaching staff,
Starting point is 00:28:06 maybe upgrading the surroundings with Quinn and Williams next to him, and he's gotten better each year. Like, I don't love the other two Jets signings that they've made. I love the loss in one and think, like, he might go to another level and be a total star. Yeah, I think it's CJ Mosley back, too. I mean, barring something else happening there.
Starting point is 00:28:25 We'll see. Maybe. He might be on the trade block. Back is tough because he's never played for them, essentially. But, you know. Yeah, I think that's what feels different, and I think that's what you're alluding to, Mark, and for me, for sure, like, if the Jets, with their decision makers, target a guy like Lawson, I believe that that is going to work because I believe Sala has an eye for defensive talent and he knows who's going to work in his system. And I think Joe Douglas is a smart guy who knows how to make good football decisions. So I think the brain trust there is sound.
Starting point is 00:28:59 So you have Corey Davis added as well at wide receiver. This one I was a little bit more on the fence about Because I think the Jets What I want them to come out of this offseason with Is a number one wide receiver, a true number one And then it feels like then Denzel Mims Who's a promising second round pick Can develop as like a number two guy
Starting point is 00:29:20 And I like Jameson Crowder in the slot I want to keep him there With Corey Davis I know he was a first round bus for the Titans Who came out of nowhere kind of last year And had nearly a thousand yards in 14 games and people like his intangibles and his size. He's big like Mims is.
Starting point is 00:29:36 But now you're kind of betting here that you need Corey Davis or Denzel Mims for this really to fly and work to develop into a true number one. And we just don't have track record for any of those guys. So when you factor in the money that was spent three years, 37 and a half, 27 guaranteed and Davis's pedigree and background and lack of success before 2020, this one feels like more of a gamble, and I'm not so sure about it. Well, it may, they may not be done. It's, there are some really intriguing wide receivers in the draft, too.
Starting point is 00:30:08 And I would also just say with Mike LaFlor, if you look at like a Kyle Shanahan type offense, this is going to be a run-based team that, you know, do you need a star number one wide receiver in those Niners offenses never hurts, but it doesn't have to be that way. And I, like, the pairing of Mims and you've got Davis and you've got, you know, there's, who else they have they have uh jameson crowder i mean that's i don't dislike that group in the in a rookie draft someone else solid davis was the guy we we sort of had on those you know be careful this you know because because he was injured and he was i don't know if he was a bus he was just sort of not what you expect that of a top five pick he was just kind of like a solid number two and that's
Starting point is 00:30:52 you know he he got a lot of money it's very interesting to me that nelson agelar and cori davis are the two receivers that are off the board quickly and not at not really at discounts. At a little, maybe I expected Davis to get, no, I didn't. I didn't expect either one of them to make $12, $13 million a year, but Aguilar to the Patriots and Davis to the Jets kind of at premium signing quickly, whereas Juju and Ghaladay and Will Fuller and Curtis Samuel are all kind of waiting out there. Presumably they want more money than Davis and Aguilar took. I don't know if they're going to get it. Like that's usually what happens and the Jets valued Davis. It's a little bit of a risk. Are those other wide outs waiting for Galladay, or is it like a Curtis Samuel situation?
Starting point is 00:31:35 It just seems like it's frozen, and there are reports that wide receivers are saying the market is utter crap right now, and there's no movement. In other Jets news, they signed linebacker Jared Davis, a former first round pick as well, who didn't get his option picked up, him with the Detroit Lions. So Sala has, like something he sees, he also primarily plays the same position as C.J. Mosley. So NFL Network's Tom Belsaro reports the Jets are receiving trade calls on Mosley who got, you know, grossly overpaid on the free agency market a couple of years ago. But he was a great player. And then he just hasn't played with the Jets. He got hurt in the first, in the third quarter of the season open in 2019, essentially missed
Starting point is 00:32:15 the rest of the year, more or less, and then opted out in 2020. So I don't know whether he's on the S list with the Jets, who are quietly unhappy with the opt out after he missed all of the first year or what. But that could be a move to keep an eye on if they could find. a willing partner. One of the most surprising markets for any point, maybe the most was Jared Davis. I was shocked by that contract.
Starting point is 00:32:38 He got five guaranteed because there were multiple teams that wanted him. I mean, Lions fans are scratching their heads just because he was a bust. He couldn't even get on the field last year, but even before that, he was really struggling. Maybe that's all on Patricia,
Starting point is 00:32:52 because there were multiple coaches who loved him coming out of the draft that ended up bidding up his price. I was sort of stalked. by that one. Like, he seemed like a guy who would maybe struggle to get anything. We talked about Drew Brees' retirement on Monday's show, and then shortly after we unplugged for the day, the Saints made it official that James Winston was under contract.
Starting point is 00:33:17 One year, 12 million, I believe it's less than that guaranteed, and Winston will enter into the training camp in a competition. according to Sean Payton, who said on the Dan Patrick show that the two quarterbacks are going to be competing for QB1 status. Greg, your thoughts. I want to see who else is added to this room. I think the contract's instructive again. It's really more like five and a half, six million, almost identical to Cam Newton's contract. So Taysam Hill technically makes more money. You would think James Winston has the upper hand just logically, but I believe Sean Payton when he says the competition. I just
Starting point is 00:34:01 was seeing the little whispers out there that they might be in on Trubisky if the price falls low enough. So Sean Payton might just be down to get weird here. I don't know. And if they're thinking about Trubisky, they must be thinking about like a pick too, a second or third
Starting point is 00:34:17 down pick. It doesn't seem so crazy to me because I think Trubisky is not anybody's idea of a superstar, but if you're interested in James Winston and rehabilitating his career, Trubisky to me they're very similar in that, you know, they're disappointments looking for a fresh start,
Starting point is 00:34:34 and maybe Peyton just likes his skill set better or his ability to protect the ball a little bit more. Yeah, I don't need to see it. That's going one step too far. I like the idea that Sean Payton can fix Player X, especially in the same division where James was. I'm cool with that. The Trubisky thing.
Starting point is 00:34:49 First of all, if you have three of these people, what are we doing here? Who's getting shot? It just seems completely absurd to me. And I got to be honest, I'm rooting for this. I like the whole thing, but the whole Saints quarterback storyline is starting to wear on me. It's like if I had like a bag of bricks on my head walking around town.
Starting point is 00:35:10 That's how it feels. It's just like figure it out. Have a competition. Let's talk in August. Yeah, wait until August. Yeah, Winston's, he's the ultimate. He's only 27 years old guy ever. He is still somehow only 27 or 28.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Wait, that's still Sammy Watkins' title. Let's slow down here. But if it doesn't happen, if he doesn't get the chance or it doesn't happen with Sean Payton, I mean, this is it. This is his year to change the course of the rest of his career and make himself a starter for the next 10 years. If he can't do it with this Saints team and Sean Payton, it's not going to happen. And I finally give up the ghost. I do. I enjoy, there are certain players or coaches over the years of doing this that really Mark can't hate more.
Starting point is 00:35:57 and then anytime they get brought up you know they're about to take some sniper fire Tribisky at quarterback and Nagy at head coach those guys are in the Sessler crosshairs like not too many guys I can remember in the history of this podcast Well I think the one thing that gets misunderstood
Starting point is 00:36:13 and you know I thought that Wes felt this way about certain teams and scenarios too where it's like I'm not against the Bears or Bears fans I'm wanting more for them and I get annoyed when I hear anyone kind of just tell you hey this will be fine, you know. Hold that thought because speaking of the Chicago Bears, we have
Starting point is 00:36:31 breaking news. This is from Adam Schaefter. Former Cowboys quarterback Andy Dalton is signing a one year $10 million deal with the Chicago Bears. He has a chance to earn another $3 million in incentive. So the bears who, it always felt like a total pipe dream,
Starting point is 00:36:47 but there are the reports that they were all in for Russell Wilson and hell, maybe they still are trying to make that happen. But Dalton feels like now the fallback option or just their move going forward. Andy Dalton and Chicago doesn't sound overly exciting for anybody involved.
Starting point is 00:37:05 I have to be honest of you. Isn't this exactly what I was just talking about? Yeah, I mean, it's like... You were right about Chubisky. To Mark's point, he never stopped banging on him during that good season they had where people tried to convince him such in Chubisky. He never stopped. This is all victory lap. It's not a victory lap.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Yeah, I see. It makes a lot more sense. But no, you're right. Good job. Andy Dalton, though, I like Dalton. I've always liked Dalton. I've always supported him on the show and thought he was a little better than he got credit for. So I don't like this, though.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I feel like Chicago's in a kind of a weird place in the NFL. They're in a bit of a funk. And Nagy enters the season on shaky ground, obviously. Andy Dalton going to the Bears. We'll see how that goes, and we'll see if he's the starter. But all right, good for him. You got paid. Who's bidding against them?
Starting point is 00:37:54 For real. because someone was, I got to imagine. They just gave him $10 million. Dallas doesn't at this point. Maybe Denver? Maybe Jacksonville, but it was probably Denver. Dallas? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:07 He is their starter. Get ready, Bears fans. Oh, man, I feel bad for them. Unwatchable. Take them out of prime time this year. Mike North. Whoever's making the schedule, they haven't done it yet. What is his name?
Starting point is 00:38:21 Is it Mike North? Something like that. That's the problem that Mark. and I both have. Well, seriously. Too much bears in prime time. That's the problem. It's Chicago.
Starting point is 00:38:32 It's the market. Yes, don't include me in that. I can't get enough of the Chicago Bears in primetime. Please keep me out of that conversation. The Cincinnati Bengals, they lost Carl Lawson to the Jets. They signed Trey Hendrickson, formerly of the Saints, four-year 60 million. Hendry's kind of interesting because they're the same age. and it's just basically replacing one guy with the other.
Starting point is 00:38:58 And they're both seen as guys that are ascendant or late bloomers. Trey Hendrickson didn't do much at all in his first three seasons. In fact, he had six and a half sacks in his first three seasons and then blew up with New Orleans for 13 and a half. So great job by you, Trey Hendrickson, in your contract year. And you could see what it does for a player and a person's life. to have a truly big breakout season in that final year before you go free agent. Good for him.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Four for 60. 32 million guaranteed. It is a little weird. I'd be a little worried that the Saints kind of valued keeping Marcus Williams, their safety over Hendrickson. And the Bengals are just, they're kind of like basic in some ways in everything they do. If you look at the three free agents they signed so far, it's like exactly replacing someone leaving the roster.
Starting point is 00:39:49 So they signed Mike Hilton, like Mike Hilton a lot. Wes, for instance, a huge fan. Okay, he's, you lost McKenzie Alexander? Okay, we'll replace him with Mike Hilton. We're going to lose William Jackson, one of the best cornerbacks in the market. We're going to sign Awuzier from Dallas. Okay, we replace him. We lose Lawson, and we replace him with Hendrickson.
Starting point is 00:40:08 It's just like, this is the Bengals way. They're not going to, even when they're making some moves, which I like all three of these players on some level, it's like, it doesn't get you jazzed them. If you do get last year's version of Hendricksing, though, he just seemed to me, like a figure that arrived from like 50 years ago. He was disruptive. He's fun to watch. He blew a few people up. I just, I liked the player a lot.
Starting point is 00:40:31 But it seemed to me like the Bengals in Carl Lawson had someone that had done it every year. Like, I think the jets of the two big pass rushers here got the guy. You're just going to, you're going to know what he's going to do. Trey Hendrickson, if he does what he, if he's, this is who he was, last year's version, cool. But if he was in a situation where that changes is a lot of money. And by the way, Cincinnati, and, you know, there's still a lot of time, and there are guys out there that have not been signed yet
Starting point is 00:40:57 that will be big-time players for teams next year. And there's the draft, of course, but they have to get that offensive line right. You know, I thought they would have made one of these splash offensive linemen signings, but not so far. Speaking of past rushers, Janik and Gakwe, he's on the move yet again, this time, to the Las Vegas Raiders who sign him to it.
Starting point is 00:41:20 See, this is the way it should be, Greg. We were talking about this yesterday. He got a two-year, $26 million contract. That's it. It's fully guaranteed. That's how many years he signed for. That's how much money he's going to make. Why can't that just be the standard?
Starting point is 00:41:33 Why do we have to... Is it because of the salary cap? And you have to have ways to be wiggly around the salary cap. Okay, salary cap's an important thing. But at the same time, I'm getting... You want to talk... Mark, you're sick of... What are you sick of again already?
Starting point is 00:41:45 Oh, the Saints quarterback battle? It's a long list of things. I have to tell you. I mean, where we're at with money, What was the new one yet, the guaranteed trigger or whatever, virtual guarantees? Someone tried to break out practical, practically guaranteed. I mean, how you're just making shit? Yonika and Gakway.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Why do we get into sports to avoid this? I don't want to work in an accounting firm. I have no idea. Like, I mean, it's a total blind spot for me. I'm a Raiders fan now. I love Mike Mayock, and I love John Gruden, and I want them to go 19 and O because Yonick and Gokwe signed for two years and $26 million. And I know exactly what that means. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:20 When you put the extra years, then you can just, like, spread it out and spend more this year. Raiders, weird spot. I know we were going to talk their center they cut later, but I do think it's kind of connected. You know, they cut Rodney Hudson, you know, one of the best centers. Rodney Hudson, 10 years, one of the best free agent signings, I think, of the last 10 years by the Raiders. Just 31 years old. Still playing at a high level, according to everyone that I trust. He's still a top 10 center at the very least.
Starting point is 00:42:53 And you cut him sort of make room for Ingaquay, who was a little bit of a bust last year. You know, we kind of saw him as a free agent last year. He was on two different teams, the Vikings and the Ravens. Didn't really work. You know, he only played 20 snaps a game in the playoffs for the Ravens. So I don't know. I feel like a year ago, he would have gotten Carl Lawson money.
Starting point is 00:43:14 And now you see where he is. You know, so maybe his market is cooled a little bit, With one of his old coaches, we should point out, with Gus Bradley, who was with him in Jacksonville. So that part of it makes sense. But Derrick Carr always had this great offensive line, and now they just traded Trent Brown. They lost Rodney Hudson. They supposedly were cutting Gabe Jackson, but they actually haven't done it. And so some people are thinking maybe they're actually keeping him.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Incognito? Incognia's gone. Right. Will the Raiders swing a trade for Russell Wilson, who's annoyed because in Seattle, the offensive line has issues? So why would you go to Las Vegas or okay, that kind of a deal where you have one offensive lineman from last year cemented into the lineup? Feels a tad shaky. I would love to see Joe Douglas pounce on Rodney Hudson. They missed that on Corey Lindley.
Starting point is 00:44:04 He, according to, I'm not sure who to cite here, but he's allowed three sacks across almost 3,500 pass blocking snaps over the last six seasons. That'll play. That's solid. That feels good. So Hudson is on the open market, and the Raiders have to eat a lot of dead cap on that. So maybe there's more to that story. I don't know. I know. That's weird. No one wanted to trade for him. It was a confusing. Well, he wanted out, too. I mean, it was partially his request. So Carr's lost four out of his five offensive linemen and his number one receiver.
Starting point is 00:44:37 You know, I know they drafted Henry Ruggs, but Aguilar was their number one receiver. It has turned into, I've noticed on Twitter, Mayok hit season. people are like starting to grumble about the free agents and the draft picks they've brought in to which I would mostly say it's gruden but either way they're a pattern together so if let's say and I don't I don't root against us not that we were close with the man but he was a colleague in one sense he used to working NFL network if the Raiders if let's say this season really goes sideways and they go four and 12 and he's out the door does he just does he get to slide back in and be like the draft expert after he spent four years putting the Raiders underground.
Starting point is 00:45:22 I mean, I guess I believe so. But I also, you're saying that Jeremiah is going to pull a power play and try to stop that from happening. Is that what you're saying? There's nothing that I wouldn't put past Daniel Jeremiah, who's got, you know, he's got that, the smile and the boyish charm and the wholesome sense of humor, but that man is a scorpion. Okay. He helped set up Mayak for that job, I think.
Starting point is 00:45:46 He was pushing some levers behind the scenes. The Jaguars keep on spending money. They signed cornerback Shaquille Griffin, formerly of the Seahawks. Three years, 44.5 million, 29 guaranteed. So what does that mean? It's really a two-year $29 million deal. Can we decode this? Is that what it means?
Starting point is 00:46:04 There you go. More or less. Anyway, so the Jaguars have all this cap space. Also, I'm going to blow this one. They also signed defensive tackle Tyson. Al-Alo-Alo. Al-Ale, yeah. Formerly of the Steelers, two years, $6 million.
Starting point is 00:46:22 He's a veteran, adds a little depth and gives them another player on their team. They've also signed Chris Manhurtz. I am Chris Manhartz, the tight end, formerly of the Panthers, the two-year $7.25 million deal. They're busy. Jihad Ward. Jihad Ward. Gihad, Ward.
Starting point is 00:46:43 That's a good name. I mean, yeah, if you're named Manhurt, you better become a football player. I'm glad you brought up the Jaguars because I just wanted to point out they have signed according to our tracker 12 players.
Starting point is 00:46:56 How about that? 12 players so far. So, you know, the Patriots are getting all this attention. That makes sense. Because all the Jaguars players are mostly like Dwayne Smoot and Philip Dorset and Jamal Agu and Jihad Ward.
Starting point is 00:47:08 I like Roy. Jihad Manhirts. But, you know, they're kind of shopping at the bottom of the market here, but Urban Meyer is going wild on this. For 12, 12 players, that's a lot of players. There's also, Warren Sharp pointed out, that the Jaguar since 2011,
Starting point is 00:47:22 lead the league by a lot, having spent $1.4 billion in free agency. For what? One playoff win? More breaking news. Uh-oh. More manhirts? This from Rapshie,
Starting point is 00:47:37 the Jaguars, the Jaguars, are expected to sign, Lions wide receiver Marvin Jones, a source said. I've always been a Marvin Jones fan, and he's a very good player and has had good years in Cincinnati and then Detroit. Nice signing, especially when you have an incoming quarterback that everyone's in love with, give him a nice solid veteran option. So I like that signing.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah, he's like a number two or three at this point of his career, but you need one of those. solid guy to add to the mix. I don't mind the receiver group. I think if Urban Meyer is who he says he is and he's got Trevor Lawrence, I already think you got enough around Lauren and a decent offensive line, kind of an underrated offensive line. They played pretty well last year. I mean, if Gardner Minchu can put up stats,
Starting point is 00:48:27 the expectation should be that Lawrence does. DJ Shark, I love him, and you've got a great running back in James Robinson. Their offenses, you know, they can be spicy quickly. The New York Giants get a deal done with Leonard Williams. A three year, $63 million contract. 45 of that is guaranteed. So that is big time money for Leonard Williams, who the light finally went on in a big way in 2020,
Starting point is 00:48:55 and he was a star on New York's defensive line, and now he's getting paid. Yeah, I think Gettelman deserves some apologies because he's still getting banged for this Leonard Williams trade. I see, like, national guy and Giants fans being like, you know, they're still like moaning about this Leonard Williams trade. It was great last year. I was like, what more, at such, there has to be a level of play you hit that shuts you up about that. He was one of the best guys at his position.
Starting point is 00:49:24 So the Gettleman was right. It was great. I think probably just like average. Who are these national people? Who are they? Name names. Because I'm curious what they could be actually banging on about if they, if they watch the games. It's basically like, hey, you shouldn't have given up the second round pitch.
Starting point is 00:49:38 and you had to franchise tag him and like the process was bad. It's like, okay, but he got unlocked in that defense. He was awesome. Certain guys, and our podcast is not innocent of this, certain guys attract detractors. They attract attract, attract.
Starting point is 00:49:54 And people have it out for Gettelman. I have. I've been killing him for years, but this is one move. I'm going to give him a W. But he's got, if Daniel Jones can't play the guitar this year, it ain't going to matter.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Because he'll be out of ten. Leonard Williams is like item number five, I think, the people are annoyed with about Dave Gettelman. The Titans, they are taking another swing at fixing their pass rush issue. They signed Bud Dupree, formerly of the Steelers, to a multi-year deal. So you imagine he's going to get paid. I don't see the exact figures here yet. Maybe they're out there now.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Very similar where, like, it was 45 in the first three years. Another very similar contract to Matt Judon with the paper. $5 million guarantee. Right. And Lawson and Hendricks and they're all in the same ballpark. So there you go. And famously, John Robinson, big swings and misses on Jadavia and Clowney. And, oh, I hope.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Vic Beasley. Vic Beasley last year. Hopefully Dupree can do that. And Greg, you mentioned speaking of Clowny that on your free industry one-on-one, I believe you said, there's only one out of the top ten guys left and it's Clowny. Ten edge rushers, yeah. Ten edge rushers. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:06 I was going to say, how does clowny still, even as people disappear? How was he getting into the top 10 of anything at this point? But edge rushers, I'll give you that. Talk about guys, people have an axe to grind on. I still think, you know what? I still think you can do it. By low, this is the year to go get him. This is the year to go get him.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Let me say something. Because, Mark, you're right, that you point that out. I've always been, you know, keep an eye on this clowny stuff. People always going nuts about him. Let's keep track of what it actually does for a team. And I was right about that one. I'm not right a lot. It was right that one.
Starting point is 00:51:36 So I guess I'm more vocal about it as a result. That's you with Treviski. I think it's only natural. It is. I think DeNico Autry, though, A, you're taking him away from the cults. He's just solid. Like, that dude just, like, they got him for not a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Like, I love that because the Titans' defense needed help. And, like, you're taking it away from a division opponent. Yummy. They also cut Adori Jackson. So that was a surprise. He was injured and streaky. But when he's been good, he's been really good. And so he-
Starting point is 00:52:06 Erica. Oh, sorry, good. I was going to see. Eric is on fire right now. Finish your point, though, Greg. He is one of three guys who's been added to the top 100 list just in the last morning. Kareem Jackson at the bottom. He was let go by Denver.
Starting point is 00:52:22 And then Hudson and Adori Jackson are in the top 40. Hudson's in the top 20. And Trubisky's still 101, right? He's still 101, yeah. I love it. I love it. Hey, hit me again with the breaking news. I want it fresh.
Starting point is 00:52:33 I want it right off the hot off the presses, yeah. This one's a little on the borderline, but quarterbacks are fun. Tyrod Taylor reaches an agreement on a one-year deal worth up to $12.5 million with the Houston Texans, according to Shepter. So, and by the way, Erica Tamposi, you know, Erica, it does excellent work for us. She's all over right now. I'm getting these little pings in my, ooh, I won't say the name of the Chad agent. And we are on top of everything because of our producer, and I love her for it. She does a great job.
Starting point is 00:53:05 I have to tell you something, if you go, again, it's that AFC Free Agency Fits piece that I wrote at this point about 800 days ago. I had tie rod to the Texans. I think they said, this isn't spicy enough. I said, I'm about accuracy. This will happen, and I have nailed another one. They said that? I'm just creating a they. I think in general it was like, this isn't, you know, it's not going to make the little image that they tweet out like Tyrod to the Texans.
Starting point is 00:53:28 But this is the ground work to move to Sean out the building. I called Mark. The whole off season of Tyrod Taylor is. veteran starter we can believe in. Well, I guess he becomes the insurance policy here, right? If they do, maybe this is like an independence day when you see
Starting point is 00:53:45 the spaceships settling over the White House, settling over the Empire State building, over the tower. It's funny, I live in L.A., and I don't know the name of that building in downtown L.A. that it's settled over. That
Starting point is 00:54:00 speaks to the upcoming huge blockbuster is Deshaun Watson going to get moved in the next couple days is it going to well i i i want to i want to explode off this earth the phrase up to when it comes to contract you you don't like these partial guarantees and all this stuff let's get rid of the up to well yeah it's like you can you can make up to uh all the money in the world i guess that's possible but i want to see what the actual terms are for this it's probably it's probably similar to cam and james but that does indicate That was worth of breaking news because he's there likely week one starter at this point.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Well, it definitely means that he'll draft someone and he'll be replaced in the first quarter of game two. Right, because this is, it's ultimately the fate of guys like Tyrod and Andy Dalton, where he is at this point in his career, that you're too good to be like a backup on a good team, apparently, that you're going to be these bad teams and doing badly. All right. Here are the landmarks attacked in the initial alien strike in ID4. The White House and the Capitol building got popped. Okay. Empire State Building in New York City, of course, iconic. The U.S. Bank Tower is what it is in Los Angeles. I've eaten lunch in there. I wish our city had, we were better at branding. Like New York City, the Empire State building, the Chrysler building. You had the Twin Towers. Now you got the Freedom Tower. The U.S. bank tower, that doesn't quite. It's rough.
Starting point is 00:55:35 The best we have is like the Santa Monica Pier. They should have just done that. Right, because like downtown L.A. maybe one of the lower, lower wattage downtowns of any big city around. And of course, there was an attack on Area 51 as well, Mark. Any thoughts about Area 51 you want to share? Well, feel like, oh, I guess it's, is it one alien species attacking another alien discovery research zone? I don't think it feels a little, maybe a misfire.
Starting point is 00:56:03 They got the wrong target. I feel like that would be like a mecca for you to get there if you could. A couple of years ago, wasn't there a plan to rate it, an online petition or something was being planned behind the scenes? There was. I mean, Gonzo and I tried to get there ourselves when we did that road trip, and we were totally unsuccessful. Well, there has been some talk, and it might be tough to get the schedules all to work out,
Starting point is 00:56:25 but behind the scenes, our friend Colleen Wolfe has suggested this area somewhere in California, California, that has some sort of alien life form connection that we were thinking, take, do a podcast from there. Take it on the road. Right. In Joshua Tree, I think somewhere around. Is it in Joshua Tree? Okay, well, we should keep it quiet, but it'll be a surprise episode.
Starting point is 00:56:48 But I think we need to make this happen. I like that. We're basically doing stunt locations to juice the listenership. I'm into it. The Rams are keeping Leonard. I wonder if Deshaun Watson is going to get traded soon. I think it's going to happen. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Leonard Floyd is staying with the Rams. Four years, $64 million. Don't know what's guaranteed there or practically guaranteed or up to. But he had 10 and a half sacks last season playing on a one-year deal. And I guess, I don't know, I guess once you hit double-digit sacks, you become a total gem. And that leads to getting paid in a massive way. this is one where I want to see the details I haven't on it
Starting point is 00:57:35 but the giants were in on him pretty aggressively supposedly that really drove the price up shows you how much they love Leonard Floyd because they've really valued him ultimately over John Johnson or over some other people they've had to this off season and finally
Starting point is 00:57:54 8 o'clock delight the Denver Broncos edition perk up Broncos fans Vaughn Miller's sticking around His legal problems didn't amount to anything No charges So with that hurdle No longer in front of the team The Broncos exercised the 7 million guarantee option
Starting point is 00:58:13 On his 18 million salary In 2021 Von Miller missed all of last year With an ankle foot injury And you know Greg is he still the same guy anymore Who knows
Starting point is 00:58:25 This was a little bit of a sentimental pick I think by the Broncos him wrong with that, but he is one of the highest paid defensive players in the leagues still. Broncos also signed cornerback Ronald Darby, formerly of the Washington football team, three years 30, 19 and a half million
Starting point is 00:58:41 in guarantees. Ficangio going to be tooling it up with Ronald Darby. I like Ronald Darby, but I like that they signed Shelby Harris more. I think he's someone that stood out a lot to them. He's smart because you didn't really have anything to say on
Starting point is 00:58:59 Ronald Darby's fine. He's been injured. He's been on the 101, like, four straight years, Darby. So that's, I don't know if that's a good thing. He finally got paid now. He finally got paid. Three years, $27 million. Played on a one-year deal last year. So they keep them around. And, you know, good for the Broncos who are looking to get saucy.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Still have a bit of a quarterback problem if you ask me. But speaking of things that you bang on because you're right about, Drew Locke's still the guy. Well, our guy James Palmer, though, was saying on NFL Network before this show that they are interested in bringing in competition. I don't know if it's going to be a draft. Maybe that was the Dalton and Tyra price tag.
Starting point is 00:59:42 That's why I thought maybe the Dalton thing was happening there a little bit. That's someone that they can come in to push him a little. He's inconsistent General George Patton, the GM says. I like the idea. Chibisky there? Oh, my gosh. Forget it. No.
Starting point is 00:59:54 See, what this kind of, I'm happy for Ryan Fitzpatrick because he's getting that job in Washington. and I really wanted him in Denver. That felt like it would have been nice and you would have had a ton of weapons. But, you know, whatever. Anyway, the Denver Broncos. Got your own 5 o'clock to light.
Starting point is 01:00:11 The music's still going. If you have anything else to add on the Denver Broncos, this is the time. Now I feel good, personally. All right. Eric could just cut the music out. Well, not a shining moment for Denver. I feel like, oh, it's called 5.
Starting point is 01:00:29 o'clock delight or eight o'clock delight what is it i call it you called the five o'clock it's eight o'clock delight well it was afternoon delight was like a song back in the day right all right good stuff good stuff tomorrow is the official start of the league year uh who's still out there who Kenny golladay that's why receivers Curtis samuel juju smith schuster samuel yeah juju Chris Carson Chris Carson Patriots have inquired about Chris Carson
Starting point is 01:01:05 apparently Let's see these Odell tweets that Mark's talking about You're right I think I think trades are what we could hope Trent Williams
Starting point is 01:01:14 The number one player Still hasn't signed People kind of think He's going back to San Francisco But hasn't happened yet I think trade Tomorrow would be the day for trades Because it's the day
Starting point is 01:01:24 That you have to get Your salary cap Officially in order All the voodoo that the Rams theoretically still need to do, for instance, that you have to have it done by tomorrow at 4 p.m. So if there's going to be some trades with O'Dell or whoever, tomorrow's the day to do it.
Starting point is 01:01:39 So the tweet was, as Mark said, it just happened when we started. Second act, okay, and then a follow-up tweet, God, period, thank you for clarity. Which could mean one of a billion life scenarios, so I'm not going to overreact to it. But second act, to Greg's point, is inaccurate. either unless it's a New York team, because that would be a third act. So, holding off on the panic button.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Also, if they trade them, I'm not going to panic. There's too many other things to be panicking over. It could just mean, like, his local dispensary got, like, a new shipment or something. Who really knows? Exactly. Fun news strain. Yeah, how's everything else, guys? I literally don't want to stop the podcast because then I got to go back into my house.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I know. I hear you. Continue unpackings. But you said you were going to apologize to Emily about your spat. I have to do that. No, I just think if you've said it here on the show, you know she listens to every, you're good. You don't need to have a one-on-one apology. We've done probably about 1,100 to 1,200 shows. My wife has yet to listen to an episode. So I wish I could say that. Same. Meanwhile, the entire Sessler family has like a 5 o'clock evening date every
Starting point is 01:02:53 Friday. So it's like, gather around, young Sesslers. We're going to watch three hours of our week 17 show from 2016. Daddy made a great point. They've seen a lot of content. Daddy, why do you always wear that shirt? Why are you nice on this show? Hey, Mark, and again, as I said on text, and now I'll say it here, I'll take those boys off your hands once I get settled, and you and Simone could have a nice little night together.
Starting point is 01:03:23 Well, I mean, I'll take you up on it. A nice little night. I think that ours offer some organizational challenges that would be new to you and challenging, interesting. So, but yes, I'll just drop them off without a notice. Years are older. I mean, going from two to four is problematic no matter what. But if I'm judging the degree of difficulty, Mark taking on the young hands eye, it's going to be even harder because they're younger. Yeah, the hands eye tree.
Starting point is 01:03:54 Well, they were compliant, though. Like, what I'm learning is they get to an age now where they're not willing to, their choice is not first to listen to what you're asking them to do. All right. I guess I should go. All right. Erica, is there anything new with you? Okay, cool.
Starting point is 01:04:15 We want to take some phone calls? Oh, I feel bad for Dan. That's it. All right, good. That's it. This Dan Hed's signing off. for Ricky Hollywood and jump in anytime here
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