NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Go get my lunch & Team of ATL deliberation

Episode Date: November 9, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling & Gregg Rosenthal – break down all the latest news from around the NFL including newfound heat between Bills head coach Rex Ryan and with Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll after Seattle’s victory on Monday night. Then, Marc Sessler has an announcement that could shake up the entire foundation of the Team of ATL. Plus, the heroes throw out a few midseason sandwich props before recapping the Thursday night matchup between the Browns and the Ravens.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, boys? Hey, dear. Oh, yeah, Election Day. It's the Election Day podcast. Is this the political podcast? This is our politics podcast? We're going to save that for the politics podcast. Let's save it.

Yeah. Wes is right. Put it in a drug. It feels like, though, if we ever were going to have one, today would be a logical day. Why? Why do you say that in the election? Well, it is a big day. That's your only factor.

I'm up with more, Greg. Well, it's a big day for America, too. Kevin Patrick's birthday today. It's a fork in the road game. Oh, yeah, Patra. Patra's birthday. Wow, that's a big one. I wonder if he takes this day off from lifting on his birthday.

No, you never do that. You don't want to start off a new year of your life by losing yourself discipline. Well, he fell in love in his prior year. So, I mean, I feel like things are going on a good trajectory. This is my last show until Sunday. I won't be doing the Thursday show because, boys, I got a boy on the way tomorrow. It's going down.

Hand's part two. We're fired up for you. Ha-sa! Hans is part two? That's what you're naming him? We have a name in mind. Because you already have a son, Jack, for a new listener. So Jack would be the part one.

Jack's my two-year-old. Part zero, I suppose. I have a name. Emily and I have a name picked out. My wife said she wants to wait until she sees the baby before she decides that is the name to go with, which, again, to me, almost all babies look exactly the same when they're born, so I don't quite get that,

but that's a mom thing, that's a mother thing. Got to let her have that space. At the same time, I still have a brief window of about 24 hours or inside 24 hours to come up with some other names, if you guys have any in this room. I think we do. Go ahead. Why don't we save it?

We want to save it for a little later? I mean, you think we wouldn't have suggestions. We do. Why were the kissing cousins looking at each other? Did you guys, like, figure this out together? No, I didn't think that my suggestion should go first. Okay. Why?

It's not a lead-off hitter. You want it to close with yours? No, it's more of a two-hole hitter. Move the runners along. I came with a handful, and I mean, I'm assuming you're going to pick the one you like most, and Emily will just slide in and agree with whatever we come up with. You never know. Things can get crazy in the hospital.

Now, if it's a bit, like for instance, because of the election, I've heard 700, oh, you should name your baby Trump Hansis bits. You know, I'm a little over that bit. So no political bits. Didn't come with that. Wasn't a good bit to begin with it. No, not a good bit. Didn't come with that.

All right. Today's around the NFL podcast, sponsored, of course, by Mr. Flames' economics class in the Hague, the Netherlands. Big show to get to dig into today, the Monday night football game, between the Seahawks and Bills, one of the best of the season. If not dare I say, the best primetime game all year. So we'll break down everything in that game. We'll hit up some news. We will also, you know, we're at the mid-season point.

Now, all teams have played at least half their schedule, so we will make some more sandwich props. Two props each at the mid-season point as we look ahead to the second half of the season. and then the play, hmm, tasty. Gross. And hit up the TNF preview, Browns versus Ravens.

And of course, and we can, of course, we're not going to forget this. Mark Sessler, like a true broadcaster, teased on Sunday's podcast that he had a big announcement

to make on the team of ATL. So that's coming. Oh. I mean, we are where we are. We'll find out where we'll be. new, we'll be next.

Yeah. It's what it is. All right, but let's start with a little Monday night football. From the link in Seattle, just a tremendous primetime game, a game, as Greg, you noted, in your excellent debrief column. The NFL really needed in terms of a shot in the arm. The Seattle Seahawks and Buffalo Bills played a game that went right down to the wire.

Russell Wilson playing tremendous football. Jimmy Graham, looking like the Jimmy Graham, we remember two first half touchdown passes, both one-handed. And then Tyrod Teller looking like he was every bit worth the investment. The Bills made in him. And then some keeping the Bills within striking distance late into the game, even after the bills got jobbed at the end of the first half, which we'll get to some referee errors.

But this is how the game ended with the bills facing a fourth in goal from, I believe, the 20-yard line or they're about. Taylor empties the backfield. They got to go for broke. Takes the shotgun snap, three-man rush. He's going to slide left. He looks. He fires to the end zone.

It's incomplete. It's incomplete. No flags. The Seahawks. defense holds and Seattle is going to win. Holy catfish. What a game. What a stand by the Seattle D.

Steve Rabel, K-I-R-O, final score 31-25, Chris Wessling. Steve Rable from K-I-R-O, his voice sounds eerily similar to Connor or his K-pounding voice. Maybe he should take a job with the Panthers next year. Chris Wessling, you wrote up our what we learned. What did you learn from this game? Well, you already said it was the best primetime game of the year, and that's because it featured some of the league's best players in their finest moments of the season.

Russell Wilson's first half was as well as he's throwing the ball all year. Jimmy Graham, I was just thinking about this as I was recalling the highlights. One of the best games I've ever seen a tight end half. Whoa. It was phenomenal the degree of difficulty on these catches with Bill's defenders trying to hold his left hand the whole time. They literally were holding his left hand in the two touchdowns. The hurdle over Stefan Gilmore to get his team fired up

and show that he's back from his knee injury, it might not be Kellynne-Winslow in the overtime game against the Dolphins, but one of the best tight-end games you'll see. And yet the Bill's defense responded in the second half. The Seahawks after, I believe, that first drive of the second half, didn't get as much going on offense. We kind of thought, I was here watching it with you, Wes. This game might end up being a blowout,

but what was fun about it was Tyra. Taylor matched Wilson. I mean, he had that one interception, which was a miscommunication, but other than that, Tyrod had his best game of the year, and they play a fun style. I mean, when he is shaking Cliff Avril, who's a great pass rusher, like it's nothing. Like, just, okay, sorry, I'll go see you over there. I'll just run right past you and whiz one right down the sideline. It's fun to watch. You guys, I watched this game and agree with you. needed a primetime game like this and it delivered in full in a matchup that if you looked at the season back in week one you would not it's an odd matchup and it's intriguing but you would

not have pinpointed this as that game and it delivered in every possible way and I don't typically I don't want to just pat you guys on the back all the time but the write-ups when you look at Wes is what we learned and it goes nine points deep it's because this game had so many things happening. You mentioned Lashon McCoy rising up as a potential MVP name. Jimmy Graham and also the officiating. That was buried in this thing because

there were so many other things happening. But Greg, you wrote a right up on the insanity before the half. Let's get into because it was 2817. The Seahawks were really going nuts on offense. The bills were in Seattle territory and attempting to get a late field goal to cut it to one

score before the half. 53-yard attempt for Dan Carpenter. Richard Sherman blazes off-sides and rams into Carpenter who gets, you know, knocked to the turf, writhes around to pain for a couple seconds. Looks like he was hamming it up to get a call. And because the sideline trainer for the bills, it was a chain reaction. So Carpenter feigns a serious injury. The sideline trainer sees him writhing, sprints on the field,

only the bills don't have another timeout. So the officials make their first mistake by only calling it off sides and not a personal foul on Richard Sherman, which means that then they're in play is a penalty on the bills for sending someone onto the field when they didn't have a timeout.

So the end game is that the kicker had to leave the field for one play with three seconds, and they only got five yards out of it. And to Rex's credit and his coaching staff, they had these smarts to then say, okay, let's spike the ball. Not enough smarts to bring the offense back on the field

to spike the ball. Got a little dicey there with having some... That was confusing. But anyway, they spiked the ball down to one second that allows their kicker to come back on the field. Then the refs blow it a second time, as Dino Blandino would tell us, by not getting away from the ball in time and not giving them a full game clock

to get a kickoff. And the bills get flagged again. Maron! Well, for the first time, this time for a delay of game back to the 54 yard mark and then he misses wide right and just an absolute mess of a situation. Do I get all that right? It was tough to write that post.

I was wondering. I had to start just numbering it to say here's what happened in order because it was very confusing what happened. But what's not confusing is that every time there's a Monday night game in Seattle, it seems like Dean Blandino is apologizing for some officials error afterwards last year you remember the bat out of the end of the end zone against the lions kj right that was a big mistake and then fail mary of course back in 2012 and everything goes the seahawks way everything seems to work out for the seahawks and the seahawks fans were irate on twitter that that they were trying to

defend the richard sherman penalty it's like come on i did a radio segment today and the question they asked me was whether refs are making these huge mistakes in seattle because the crowd is a factor and I laughed the guy off the air I was like what are you talking this is why I was fired this is why I bury the refereeing against at number nine and nine points I know maybe this might be annoying if you're my boss but I can't stand these the griping the next day over the calls just get over it a football game happened so then Sherman has an interception early in the third quarter starts jawing at Rex and then Rex had this to say after the game well no he's mean mugging like he's doing and

You know, whatever, but, you know, guys are a great player. It was a ridiculous play. You know, no question. Then he's over on the sideline basically taunting us. So I had some words. I mean, I think I said that, you know, you're too good a player to act like an ass. To which Pete Carroll responded with this. I just wish he coach his own team.

That's it. Just coach your own guys. Hey, I'm a Rex guy kind of, but I'm on Rex's side on this. I think everything that everything, he was wronged on this next. Yes, Sherman, there was a dirty hit. I've killed Rex, you know, 10,000 times, but I completely vived with his frustration. And you listen, Richard Sherman is a provocatory,

knows what he is, and he's certainly in that moment, after what they dealt with before halftime, Rex Ryan did a great coaching job to get this team to come into Seattle and play with this kind of energy. It was a fascinating game because they were prepared. And I was one of the people that laughed at the coordinator switch earlier in the year. This offense is exciting to watch. They're hard to deal with. Exactly. Some of the drives that they put together were Rex

Ryan Dreams. And so I give the bills a lot of credit. The same way that the Falcons went into Seattle lost a game, but it made you think almost more of the Falcons. I feel that way about the bills to some degree. And then one last thing, I think it's a lesson that sometimes these trades that go down, you can't judge them after one season. LaShawn McCoy, Jimmy Graham, we're starting to see incredible production from both guys. And maybe you've got to be a little bit more patient with some of these swaps. It's a promising showing for the Bill's offense, certainly. But then you balance that out with the loss of Eric Wood,

whom their center, whom Rex Ryan said he believes is the best center in football. And one of the big keys to their running game, which is so successful. And I think you have to be a little concerned if you're the Seahawks in terms of their defense. I think they're going to get it together. But there was a point in this game. They had given up, I think, 10 or 11. scoring drives out of 14. I mean, the Saints scored

six straight times on them. That's not heard of in the Seahawks in the last five. And the bills went up and down the field on them. Now, they made the big plays in the end, and I think it helps, you know, point out how valuable Michael Bennett is. I know Cam Chancellor's gone, too. They've played without Cam Chancellor before.

It's not just that they're missing Bennett, but I think Bennett's their most valuable player and is probably one of the five or six most valuable defensive players in the entire league. And you've seen that show up. I did forget, though, as we were talking about all the insanity. Yes. We forgot about my favorite quote of the year.

It was a rough night for Walt Anderson. Oh, Walt. But old Walt, I mean, I'm going to... He was a dentist, by the way. Or full-time reps. I'm going to remember what Walt said as he was like a parent trying to, you know, heard a bunch of class kids going to school. The half is not over.

There's three seconds on the clock. I look like, Greg says, like, go to school and then points to the glass. And he had to say it again. He had to say it again because no one listened to the first time. What a scene. It was annoying in a way because it was such a great game. And this was the big takeaway, immediate takeaway of everyone was what a mess the end of the first half was.

But the big picture was, what a fun game to watch. I like West putting that down bottom in the, low in the story because so much more happened than just that. If you add someone from, let's say, England asked you, why doesn't the NFL have full-time referees because they're absolutely astounded by this fact? What would your answer be? Just because they never have? It seems like when you're now like a $10 billion year

business. Eleven. It's time to have full-time referee. I couldn't agree more. Let's make Sydney full-time while we're at it. Now we're getting in trouble. Hashtag make Sydney full-time. All right, let's move on, guys. Good talk and do some news. Leave Tom Brady

alone. him alone he's a great guy oh that's a perfect place to start because let's start at the throne of sleeves uh-oh oh no not this one we know we come in peace they seem friendly i say we trust them how great for our planet Yes, today is election day. We will know by the time you're listening to this, you will know most likely who the next president of the United States of America will be. How great for our planet. How great for our planet.

And on Tuesday before the election, or Monday night I should say, Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump read aloud a note, he said, was from Patriots head coach Bill Belichick during a late-night rally in New Hampshire, here is what the Donald had to say. Congratulations on a tremendous campaign. You have dealt with an unbelievable, slanted and negative media and have come out beautifully.

I have always had tremendous respect for you, but the toughness and perseverance you have displayed over the past year is remarkable. Best wishes for great results tomorrow, Bill Belichick. The letter led to a lot of people, oh, this is disbelief. There's no way that Belichick is sending letters. He sent letters to Mark Sessler, and that was cool. NFL.com slash Belichick letter.

Yeah, everything was cool then. It was even endearing for the old coach, but sending him to Trump, terrible. But Tom Kern of CSN, New England, reports that the letters did indeed. come from the Donald. Greg, this must be a great hit to you personally. Why is that? Tom Brady also in the tank for Trump in a big spot. Has not declared who he voted for.

He voted, but he did not declare. His wife, his wife put a barrier ahead in the same. His wife denied it on social media. What are you Trump's press secretary? What's going on here? Your thoughts, Greg, as a Patriots fan. Love the art, not the artist. You know, I'm in, I'm in on.

Belichick. I'm not giving it up because of his political leanings. Who cares? I mean, I care. I don't care. Think of all the great novelists that you read that are creeps or that treated their family poorly or who knows. Think of the former presidents that were racist. They're all sorts of like things. They're drug at my day. This makes my day that Greg's only defense is to go down this road to try to rationalize what's happening. I'm just saying, I appreciate Bill because of what he does in the football realm. I don't care what he thinks about anything else. Right.

Like he's a Bon Jovi fan. You don't hold that against him. Exactly. That's almost as embarrassing. Do these guys have more time than we assumed? Who the coaches? He's rattling off, you know, long-winded letters to presidential candidates.

I thought that when that whole suck-for-luck thing happened and there was a Dolphins coach around week 12 acknowledged he had never heard of the phrase or anything, that there was this narrative created. They're such a bunker mentality. They don't even read a newspaper. But Bill Belichick very plugged in on the media coverage of Trump, the so-called media bias out there.

I mean, a lot of hot takes from BB. Mark, how about the idea that for a period of, I would say, four weeks or so, you were the most famous recipient of a Trump of a Belichick letter. And now, after just a four-week rain, you've been wiped away from it. Yeah, it quickly. Right out of the history. Quickly came to a close. And then I saw other people tweeting about the letters they got from Belichick to everyone everywhere's got.

It's like, why didn't I even write this thing? What a waste of my time. What a waste of time. How many tweets did you have? There's just all sorts of people. Oh, he wrote me too. He wrote me as well. It's like the same exact letter.

I didn't even know that. When did that pop up? Well, I don't, you know. I feel badly for you. You have to feel slightly less special now. Listen, I actually, I find it interesting that I sat on that for 20-something years, and then had I sat on for 20 years and five more weeks, it would have been non-news. So Trump is right to take it down.

Well, I don't want him. I'm not associated with either of these people. Good luck to these candidates. I have a theory on why Belichick likes Trump. I mean, this is a little payback for Trump single-handedly sabotaging the NFL's biggest competitor of all time in the 1980s, the U.S.FL, which Trump sunk from the inside. Come down, Wes. That's an interesting theory.

That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard Wes get pumped up about. Belichick, such an NFL loyalist. How can he run a country when he can't run a football league? Maybe more immediately, the whole like Tom Brady's a great guy, save Tom Brady, could have had some impact too. I mean, I should be wanting to move on past this because it's an embarrassment. But it is interesting that he, wanted to even put this out there that he well he's in new hampshire he's in the heart of new

england no no no i mean it's interesting that belichick he writes that letter knowing okay maybe he's going to ask if i you know knowing it might become public trump said he asked for permission he confirmed the story so now we're believing trump well he confirmed the story to tom curran and i'm always trusted i don't think bellichick is probably one of the bigger i don't give an f what anyone thinks guys out there that's fair let's move on to a different embarrassment shall we? The New York Jets are dealing with more issues. Mohamed Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson,

their two first round stars on their defensive line, were benched in the first quarter of Sundays lost to Miami, of course. And then we learned a little more context. Both players had been repeatedly late to meetings. And this from NFL Network's Mike Garifolo. It's Garofalo? Garofalo. Careful. Mike G.

According to Mike G., Wilkerson had missed the team's walkthrough before a week seven game against the Ravens, and as well as a planned gathering in the defensive meeting room in which the Jets, players, or coaches, or someone within the company, had purchased a birthday cake for Wilkerson to celebrate his 27th birthday. So he missed both the walkthrough and his own birthday party. and only the Jets, my friends. Only the Jets. The circus is in town. I like that you said that should be on the tombstone of the Jets' lost season.

You can't even show up for his own birthday cake. Yeah, this, yeah, Grafalo's quote, Garfolo's quote, Mr. G's quote. I'm told they even had a cake ready to go for him and he didn't show up. Very big time concerns on my end as a Jets fans about the character of both Richardson and Wilkerson. If you follow the team closely, you know obviously that Richardson has had his troubles with the law, but you also know that Wilkerson is one of those guys that you will hear more than any other player. Wilkerson left the locker room without making comment. Things like that, which some people put more stock into it than others.

I think it's an accountability issue, especially when you're one of the biggest stars on the team, and especially after you sign a mega contract that makes you one of the highest paid defensive players in the league. Can't be pulling that. It's not so much a circus or a charade as it is downright depressing that your kind teammates got together, bought you a cake. Probably someone had to decide what was written on that cake. Sure.

What flavor would Mo like? It's a lot of letters, Mohamed Wilkerson, for someone to have to write out at the cake shop. A lot of work. Probably just went Mo. But you're right. It could have been full name. And you don't show up.

This team is floating on multiple levels and this is one of the more ghastly indications of that. By the way, not on the show plan today is our stick in the fork, stick a fork in them segment. Yeah. We've got too much, it's a big show, got too much show to get to. But I'm going to just stick a fork in the Jets. Just because we didn't all meet, let's fork them. Fork them right now.

I mean, considering we forked them three weeks ago. Did we forked them? Yeah, we did. I like it, though. Greg is just a dead corpse, a dead green corpse and Greg is sticking another fork in that. The fork that should have been going into the cake. You want to just stick it back in jets? Dan has disgusted at me. Just like, you know, plug in on our own podcast. That's all. I was, I was there. Mark and I didn't know it either. Sometimes we're wrong. Yeah, we were talking about this separate. None of us knew. I thought I thought Greg might be going somewhere along the lines that if you're going to kill Bill Belichick and Tom Brady for voting for a certain political candidate, well, we know.

know who the Jets owner is voting for. Oh, interesting. You were attacking ownership. I did not attack. I simply pointed out a very obvious fact. That is Mark Sessler, NFL.com, cubicle 17B. Not attacking, simply pointing out facts. See, I would think, Dan, you would, you put together a lot of the ideas on this show.

You would see this thing I just did as an opportunity. You know, because sometimes we forked teams and they end up coming back to Haunted. They come back to life. Reforking should be something. Hey, a team we were right about, let's kill them dead. Double fork. Yeah. Double fork.

You could also just kind of move on from this part of the show. You got it wrong. We kind of made a little bit of a bit out of it. And then we can actually just move to the next portion of the show. Fair point. Jets are forked. I never fought it. First time Dan's ever wanted to move on from Jets talk.

Oh. Yeah, that's true. Let it be stated also that I never hide. from any of the Jets' misery either. It is part of our show. I don't try to, you know, sugarcoat what's going. Who's made that claim? I have some people on the show that probably think that.

One's wearing a brown sweater, his girlfriend bought him. Wow. I have never. Look, we talk about the Jets entirely too much, but I've never said that you're not willing to face the music. Yeah, thank you, Wes. And we talk about the Jets a lot because, you know, the host of the podcast, it's a Jets fan, just like the Browns.

part of the show. So everybody that comes at me and says you talk about the Jets or the Browns too much or whatever, go get your own podcast. And maybe you can talk about your team a little bit more. I got your back on that. Let's move on. Falcons General Manager, Thomas

Demetrov, has signed a three-year extension with the Falcons that runs through the 2019 season. It now mirrors the same deal that Dan Quinn got. He also has signed a through the 2019 season. That is how you do business in the NFL.

Demetroff has been with the Falcons for nine years, Mark Sessler, two-time NFL executive of the year. And while I won't call it a Howie Roseman comeback, he didn't crawl through two football fields of smelling foulness and come out clean the other side. He did make a nice little run after he seemed like he was headed toward obscurity. He did. It looks good for the Falcons.

a similar way that the Eagles looked good for, although Howie Roseman was hidden in a shed somewhere in Deep Philadelphia then brought back, that they are, these are two patient owners. That they, with Thomas Dimitrov, you know, I linked to a story, I think, writing that piece where it was just less than two seasons ago where his role was downsized to make more powerful opportunities for Scott Pioly, the assistant GM, and that maybe Dimitroff was really in hot water, which was deserved, I think, after a lot of really wanting season in Atlanta. But it goes to show you that if you get along with the new coach, you know, he's hired multiple coaches, and then your quarterback starts to play at an MVP level and the offense starts

to sing. People get paid. Also, like, it's okay to be in hot water when you're on hard knocks going bike riding with Lance Armstrong. That's okay. He's a nice presence in the NFL. It's good to have Thomas to Mitchell. I agree, totally. And Dan Quinn's got the power. That's one thing that happened when he got hired, he is the final say on the roster. Well, message to NFL media and the NFL at large, you don't fire high-profile vegans. You know what? Credit to Arthur Blank for this. Because they're about to embark on their second era of success under Thomas Dimitrov.

They had a five-year span when they averaged about 11 victories a season from 2008 to 2012, two sub-500 years. last year 500. This year, they're an obvious playoffender, and they have a bright future. Two losing seasons and eight with Dimitrov, and it's going to be nine now. I mean, that's pretty good for a franchise that's been lousy. Are the Falcons the biggest surprise in the NFL this year? Wow. I feel like they are.

No buzz. Zero buzz. We said in August. I did. This was going to be a really good offense. Yeah, West said exactly that. I don't know if we thought it was going to be, despite a great. offense, a team that was going to be dominating that division right now, the way they are.

Part of the surprise is how bad the rest of that division is. To me, the Cowboys being the best team in the NFC to this point is a bigger surprise. Most of us didn't even have them in the playoffs when we knew Romo. This Falcons team is not about to fade up. But no one was saying they're going to be that good of a team. Cardinals and Panthers are just as much as a surprise. Absolutely. Let's move on.

The Los Angeles Rams are going nowhere fast with Case Keenham as their quarterback. But that doesn't mean that Jeff Fisher is ready to turn away from the quarterback. He announced on Tuesday that the team, or he confirmed during Monday's press conference, I should say, that Keen will remain the starting quarterback, not Jared Goff, the first overall pick against the Jets in Week 10. And Rapsheet, or NFL Network Insider reported earlier Monday that the Rams have no plans to make a quarterback change as long as the postseason remains a possibility. Wes crank up the bit machine.

I think what the biggest takeaway here is that the Rams believe they still believe Case Keenom is their best quarterback and they think they're in the pennant race or in the playoff race. A rap sheet said they're not going to change until they fall out of contention. So I think you're going to continue to see this for a while. Well, the bit, yeah, the bit machine is that everyone that follows the NFL views them as out of contention. Oh, that bit machine.

Yeah. So Jeff, come on, buddy. You know, wake up. You're not going anywhere with this guy, get in the kid. But they're one loss behind. I mean, you can see why, in their minds, they're, of course, they got eight games to go. You get to sell their one lot. They're literally, well, one lost by, I guess four three and one would be.

You don't want your team giving up at this point. Yeah, you have to sell it to a locker room. They refuse to paint Goff as the white horse guy. Well, he's clearly not. Nobody you saw him in preseason could believe he's a white horse guy. Right. And I think this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to protect him from even anyone saying, oh, here is Jared Goff to save him. season, you know, it's a lot of worrisome, but I get it. I get that.

I think the folly of the Jeff Fisher-Rams era is always believing, you know, you're a few plays away because they're in all these games. He said it, you know, we're a couple plays away from being 10 and 6 last year. But that's the same every year. When you play this type of football, that's what's going to happen. For just about every team, you could say that. That's true, too. The question I have because I think you look at the Rams drafting record and then their ability to develop those high draft picks that they've made is, is there anyone inside the building? I don't have a problem with Goff not being ready if that's exactly where they sit with him, but you look around the league and there are multiple rookie quarterbacks playing at a high level.

Is it a developmental issue? And if not, if he really is not ready, is there anyone inside the building saying we took the wrong guy? Well, because Carson Wentz was ready in week one. You would hope not at this point, and I suspect not at this point. I think they have a bigger problem, though, that with these home games at the Coliseum for a couple years, and they've scored essentially no touchdowns in two of those games, I know they had a garbage time one last week,

and as this just continues on and they're going to be in the Coliseum for a couple years, it's tricky. You also kind of don't want to put golf out there, and if he's bad, then that really depresses interest going into next year. So they're in a, and they're thinking about these things. Of course they're thinking about these things in the future of their season ticket base and, you know, building up some fans here. A lot of buzz.

All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right. Mark, like one of the great broadcasters, Kronkite. You're Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Katie Couric. Bob Costis, anyone? Connie Chung. Connie.

On the day where we could have our first female president. Yes, Mark. Connie Chung, also a great broadcaster. Mark teased on Sunday that he had a big announcement to make regarding the 2016 team of around the NFL, or the team of the around the NFL, general, Mark, the stage is yours. Just going to read something that I tapped out before coming up here about this very subject.

Okay. All right. We are watching the Vikings die before our eyes. I will not abandon them as Dido sang in her somewhat annoying 2003 single white flag. Quote, I will go down with this ship, unquote. I sang that song as well. A Viking ship. Well, we would play this for you, but with a cadre of antsy lawyers and shadowy league types monitoring our every move, we can't play even a hint of licensed music.

on the show, so as to assure that Mr. Flames High School economics class, our sponsor, doesn't get taken to the cleaners by some massive corporate vampire. Anyways, my point is that I will not dump the Vikings, but from another angle, life is supposed to be fun. On a day where either a dangerously evil elitist or a cipher in a pantsuit will take over America, we need all the fun we can get. I am proposing a solution for the first time ever, two teams of ATL. The Raiders have proven that they deserve this. Why not add the Raiders to the ride with both teams?

This is our show. We can do whatever we want, except play even a note of licensed music, per the wishes of our massively money-obsessed overlords. We can't do that, but we can add the Raiders to our lives while not abandoning the Vikings. Everyone wins. Take this offer or deal with the consequences. Team of A.T.L. Well, that last line was a little bit fighting.

Well, the political one was also sobering. Listen, I refuse to simply just cast off the Vikings. From the very beginning, I said, this is my team. I don't care what anyone else does. When it comes to the Raiders, though, we're living by this rigid rule that we can only have one team. we've clearly, I advocated for the Vikings harder than anyone, I might have made a massive mistake. And if so, what boundaries do we have to live in?

Why can't we have fun? There are no rigid rules because we're beholden to no one. That's the key. And we've even got a sponsor in Mr. F, and that was part of the contract that we're beholden to no one. I don't hate it, Mark. In a way, the Raiders already are my team of ATL, even if I'm on board with the vacings,

only because I get 400 tweets every day now. As do I. So I'm linked to them for the rest of the season, regardless. Get zero. So it's just a matter of whether, you know, you guys want to... I like the concept. I don't know. It doesn't feel that genuine, though,

because are you really that excited about the Raiders? They're Wes and I that excited about the Raiders? I mean, I'm not not excited. They're on my teams that I like to watch, but they wouldn't be in my team. top four or five. So I feel like then why force the second team? Because are you really that excited about the Raiders?

I think what I'm trying to create here is a situation where... Are we going down the rabbit hole? Well, no. The Raiders are a constant sticking point and... Not with me. It's not really the problem. Not with us. Not so much the Raiders is the Vikings.

They got the stink on them once we named them the team of ATL and they've lost every game they've played. And the Raiders have won every game they've played since we named the Vikings. Now, I'm no football head. You guys know that. I'm just a regular Joe. I'm just a common man. Come from a common town in a realm of scientists.

And yes, I got this one right. Let's be honest. I got in back in August. You're saying this after two weeks. This could change completely in a couple of weeks. I got in on the Raiders in August. It turned out even they were exciting but not very good in the beginning. And now they're legitimately good.

And seven and two, I got this one right. You guys want to come on board? Come on board. I never have any issue with that. Here's the thing. You voted for the Vikings. It's a chance for the Vikings. It's a chance for you to correct what you did, I think, too.

Your ability to misremember key parts of this segment at your convenience is astonishing. The week before I jumped on board, you said, I'm all for the Vikings. I'll do it. I'll do it. So that was one of the key factors that enabled me to jump on board because I knew you were fine with it. And now you're painting this as you were never in the Vikings. No, I was. No, I did it.

Now he really got down. A little American history. Mark loves it. A little American history on the day of the election. Why did Gerald Ford part in Richard Nixon? Anybody didn't know the answer? So the country could heal. Yes.

That's why I went forward with the Vikings. Well, that's one narrative. That was absolutely. I didn't want this to go on forever. So I said, all right, I'll go with the Vikings. And then the S hit the fan. frankly, because then the Vikings lost every week and the Raiders won every week, and it caused

issues. But I was ready to move on with the Vikings. News flash. It's week nine. We got half of the season left. I think the Vikings could still be a playoff team, could still have a lot of fun. The point of Team of ATL is to pick the team that we're all

excited about anyways. The Raiders were never getting there. Maybe some people forced themselves to feel that way about the Vikings too, but I don't feel bad that the Raiders are doing well. We're not just predicting who's going to win. A wise man once told me, people flutter in the wind on everything.

There are no men anymore. Wow. And that is, those are wise words. You stick with the commitment you made. That's the Minnesota Vikings. Even if they lose games, who cares? I'm rooting for them. And we're not abandoning the Vikings.

My thing all along was, and I specifically said what I wanted was to support the Vikings, which I still do. And I don't want to hear about it from anyone else. which I have endlessly from this room. They're not going to be able to avoid that. Well, so point being, here is the chance for your Gerald Ford healing moment without leading too deeply into that political maneuver.

I have muted every single person who has sent me comments about the Vikings as team of ATL, and I would continue to mute them. If I don't answer you, that's why. I care less at this point about the Twitter side of it at all. It was annoying to me on that Monday night game. That was the one time it annoyed me. I'll tell you what, I could care. less about that. I stated on it, and I'm

sticking with the Vikings. This is a chance for the four of us to do what we want and not care about anyone else. That's where I'm coming from. I'm probably the only guy not involved in this discussion because I already do have two teams. The Vikings Raiders. Yeah, and I like

the Chargers to me are kind of, there's too many teams. I got the Patriots. I love the Chargers this year. I'm back in on the tights. Right, exactly. I kind of like the Saints. I like the Vikings too. I'm not giving up on them. All right. agree with both Greg and Mark here. I'm going down with the

ship, and I'm with Greg. Those words sound familiar because I could have sworn that came from one of Mark's texts. There are no men anymore. Be a man, stand by the Vikings. Tammy Wynette. Well, we all voted for them, so then we need to as a real. Got to do it.

Got to do it. So let's stick with the vikes. All right. Absolutely nothing was resolved here. We could erase that segment, and no one would be the lesser. Well, I'm glad you got it off your chest. That was Mark's official. It's not how I was opening the door.

No, it was all well-intentioned. It was doomed. It was a great thought. That may be true. It was an olive branch, but that's all right. It was a very well-written statement. It was an olive branch that just got flamed right there. It snapped over someone else's knee and handed back to you in two pieces.

That's fine with me. All right. All right. Oh, baby names. What are they? I got a few. I don't, how do you want to do this? Same for the end of the show. All right. All right. Let's move on to our mid-season sandwich props. And, yeah, we did a pre-season sandwich props. Let's not get into those now. Let's save those for after the season.

However, what we're going to do now because we love sandwich props. And if you're new to the show, each of us, us are going to now make a prediction, two, in fact, and then the rest of the group has a chance to either agree with that prediction or challenge the predictor on their prediction, and if they get it wrong, or whoever ends up on the wrong side of history, will owe that person, other person, a sandwich. And if you make a sandwich prop, you could owe up to three sandwiches if everyone else in the room goes against your prediction.

That is an onion hanger in a big spot. some onions. Walla Walla is a big onion. Giant sweet Spanish onions are good. And a red Zeppelin is a big red onion. So here we go. I want some onion hangers, fellas. Mark, get us going, baby.

Here we go. The Seahawks will not win a playoff game. So we're going into the playoffs. I will take that. It will not. So that means, okay, so you don't. I don't know. What do you think?

It means they won't win a playoff game. Yeah. I'm definitely taking a home game. Are you going to have a home game? I'm always going to pick them in an early round home game. Are they going to win their division? A good chance on that right now. I mean, they're up a game and a half or two games.

I will take you on that. Tie. Tie ruins everything. If they get it, it almost works to Mark's advantage if the Seahawks finish well, get a buy, and then you get a tougher first round, a first playoff opponent. Oh, I've not. it all out in mind. No, I like that. I like where you're coming from on this. But I will take you on that. I think Seattle is battle tested. Some issues in their defense as we talked about earlier.

Offense coming together. Russell Wilson getting healthier. Yeah, I think they got at least one playoff winner. Oh, yeah. I would take it if you had said they get a playoff by too. Well, I didn't need to go that far. No, it's not even necessary. We're going to be paying me. So did we all take it? We all took it. We all took it. Nice one. Way to get us going, Mark, in a big spot. Sid, are we tracking these? Or we also have go get my lunch.org. Nick Fortier's great site that not only has the overall standings for both the season all time and our current standing prop bets, but also our soundboard.

Wes. Tony Romo starts at least one game before the end of the playoffs. I'm just going to do the same exact one. Interesting. Do you mean a playoff game or it can just be a regular game? Any game, regular season or playoffs, before the Cowboys season is over. Why does it feel like to see him at some point? I honestly think if I was setting odds on that,

that there's about an 80, 90% chance of that happening. I'm not taking that. I think that's going to fall on his face? I don't think. Something weird could happen to. Yeah, it's football. First of all, it's a contact sport so you could get hurt. But more than that, I don't think the Cowboys would have patience.

if he has a couple bad weeks and things happen. What if you seal up the number one spot in week 16 and Romo? I'm with Greg. I see Romo playing this season. I don't have any question about it. I just feel like the NFL season has the ups and downs. And I looked at their schedule. Not facing a lot of great defenses.

So that could help you out. But if he just had about two bad games, I feel like they give Romo a chance. Did you say start or appear in a game? Start. I feel like up here would be pretty Yeah, there's a difference Right, if he was healthier

He would have played in that Browns game, I think Even if the Cowboys have the NFC East Wrapped up in week 17 You don't think they would send Prescott out For a quarter or a series or something? I think they'll start Tony Romo I would throw it out there And this isn't my prop, but I think he'll start

their playoff games when they make the playoffs If I had to guess between him and Dak I would guess Romo Wow, I don't see it. playing out that way. Really? But I just see Romo getting a start. I don't see that you go 16 games with Dak Prescott,

then you start Romo in the playoffs. Well, no, I mean by then he'll be the starter, is what I'm saying. Okay. I think Dak's going to go all the way through unless there's an injury, but there could be an injury, but I don't want to get involved with that. It's like your third prop and you're not even up yet. Think it out loud. That's what we do. All right.

I'll throw it out. Might are kind of onion-y. I don't feel comfortable because I feel like I'm going to lose them both, but what the hell you only live once. You want big onions, you've got to get on your big onion plant. That's true. I will talk about the NFC North and I will declare a team that I've enjoyed all season and coming off one of their best wins.

You don't want to get too recency biases in here. I'll take it. I'm where I'm at right now. The Detroit Lions. win the NFC North. I will take that one. I will too. I'll take it.

Don't like the Packers, too inconsistent. Who knows what happens with them? Feels like sort of a crap division, so it's not impossible. The Vikings, I feel like, are a 9 or 10-win team. And the Lions have a little bit of a mojo. Where are the Vikings getting five more wins? See, I thought about throwing out, again, I'm throwing out another bad. I take my chances with the Vikings win.

I don't want us rooting against the Vikings. So I wouldn't want anyone taking that sort of problem. I think the Vikings are probably a 10-win team, and I won't be rooting against them for the sake of this. But I'm saying I think they can be in the same realm, Lions and Vikings 10, 11 wins. Some good mojo around the Lions right now. I'm not discounting the Packers either,

which I think they're a better team than the Lions who could easily be 0 and 9 right now. I think the Packers and Vikings. Easily 0-9. They have been losing every single game with a minute left in the game. Mojo. I mean, Dan, you do have the Packers scoring, what is it, 580 points this season in a previous sandwich bet. So they're going to catch fire according to your findings. An update on that. Let's be careful with that type of tone, Mark. It's very hard to predict these things.

It's all in fun. Yeah, they've scored 198 points, so they're on pace for 396. Yeah. They need to pick it up. What an idiot I am. I was the only person that the Packers were going to be I don't think it was a serious shot at you. It was just, you know. It looks bad now. But in August, it didn't look so bad. It did not. All right, you're up, Greg. All my sandwich props look bad, especially when they're about the NFC South.

So I'm going to double down and go back to the dirty, dirty. That's what I call the dirty South. I'm just making it up as I go along. Okay. The fans are going to love it. The dirty, dirty. Okay, go ahead, buddy. Or John.

Either the Saints or the Panthers will make a victorious run to the playoffs. after being given up on. Well, none of us gave up on the Panthers. Well, they were one in five. But a lot of other people did. We all gave up on the Saints because we unanimously forked them after week three. Well, I'm taking the fork back out.

Another segment idea. This is not onion-y. Yeah. Says the guy who... Says the guy who didn't have any takers on yours. It's a little... I'm surprised that... It's closer to 50-50.

But if you pick one of the other, maybe, but those are two teams that feel like they have a 50-50 shot to me. Well, they clearly do not have a 50-50 shot. They have a combined record of 7 and 9 at this point, and it's a crowded field. But I see what you're saying. I think it's probably 50-50 one of the two. Greg, if I offered you that sandwich bet, would you take it?

Of course not, because I think this is going to happen. So do I. They're better. That's what I'm saying. I don't think I'm going to be. I would never throw out a sandwich prop that I didn't think was going to happen. Oh, I would. If they faced any of the teams ahead of them

and the standings for the wild card right now, I would pick the Panthers or the Saints. All right, you got to go back to the drawing board. Well, that's the one flaw in this game. Maybe we go snake-trapped and Greg has a chance to redeem himself. Some level for Greg in the standings there, potentially. Because if you're not hanging onion, you basically save yourself three losses, most likely.

No, that's not true at all because it's just as likely, if not more, that we're all completely wrong and none of them are going to make the playoffs. Just like when I threw out that the Broncos weren't going to make the playoffs and you're like, nope, too smart for that. None of us took it. You know, they're probably going to make it. No, there's a good chance they don't now.

All right. They're in there. One more round. You want an onion hanger? Yes, I would like one. I need an onion hanger. I mean, the rest of this is going to be a disgrace after what I've seen. Ooh, I like this.

There will be no Super Bowl 51 winner. That's ridiculous. What do you mean? It's not ridiculous. What do you mean? A lot stuff's happening to this country. So are you saying the Super Bowl won't even be played? Didn't say that.

It will not be a winner. What's happening? I don't need to decipher what's happening. You do because we're happening. Well, you're just handing out sandwiches. You're out on the street corner and you said, hey, would you like a ham and cheese? Would you like a meatball?

I'm not saying that. Yeah, no, you are. Because there will be a Super Bowl and someone will win. We'll find out. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'm not passing down a free... Passing up a free sandwich.

I don't like that it's kind of cutting out the legs of the segment a little bit. What's the catch? It's not. You don't care if you lose is what you're saying. That's not what I'm saying. This, if I see what I perceive to be the future and I will be correct, you will have to deal with it. All right. Well, I think we'll all take you up.

I'm going to be hearing from Dan about this around 9 p.m. tonight on text. Guaranteed. But got to roll with it. I'm in the delivery room. Like, Mark, I didn't think you took that in the right direction. That's exactly what will happen. I want to know what the catch is. What do you mean?

I told you. He's basically, you know, the world could end. He wouldn't get any sandwiches. You're an agent of chaos. There will be a major societal interruption. Yes. All right. There's really no way to win that for you.

I'm on the fence here. You swayed me. This is the lowest moment for the kissing cousins. I'll take it. There will be a Super Bowl winner. It says you. All right, Wes, you're up. You want onions?

I think it's brilliant. Give us some onion. That was an onion hanger. Maybe you try these onions. You like them. You're real sweet onions. There's a cantaloupe. I got your onions right here.

Patriots don't lose another game. Tom Brady doesn't lose a game all season. Well, that's different. And he wins Mark's Super Bowl. Both of them. They win through the Super Bowl. They win through the Super Bowl. I'll take you.

So they go 18 and 1, but this time it ends in a positive way. Well, you've caught me. A man asked to live by a code, Wes. Who are you quoting? Dalton from Omar. That's a way. But I try to do as well. I don't ever pick against the team I root for,

so I cannot take you up on that. I mean, I want them to do that. They will lose a game. They'll probably win the Super Bowl. They might lose this week to the Seahawks. Yeah, they could, I think they'll have a stumble. Like, they're, and I don't know if I buy into this, but there is a lot of talk about their defense is not even playing well.

They're catching a lot of teams at the right time, including Seattle, who won't have Michael Bennett and don't look like the same team right now. I'm so sick of this crap. There will be at least one more loss in my opinion. So yes, I'll take in that. Mark? Yeah, I'd take you.

Oh, you could lose two sandwiches if the Patriots win the Super Bowl. Oh, woe is me. That would be the biggest issue attached with that happening. All right, this is kind of a callback to something that came up a couple minutes ago. Two teams will make the playoffs from the AFC West, but the Broncos will not be one of them. I am not feeling good about their quarterback situation once again. and Trevor Simeon looking like a subpar player,

and I don't think Paxton Lynch is on anybody's white horse. A lot of white horse talk this week, and I think it could cost them a spot in the playoffs. Where's the white horse talk then? Paxton Lynch would come in on the white horse. I will take you because. The white Bronco? I almost went with one where they're not going to win a playoff game,

but Greg had already had that. I will take you because I think this is one aspect of the bruntco. Broncos that people keep overlooking is how well they've been coached under Gary Kubiak. I think they're going to get to the postseason. From there, see you. Is Gary Kuback an amazing coach? I think he's done a great job. I think he has a really good job.

I will take you. I will take you up on that. And wait, so two teams have to make it, too, that basically and the Broncos aren't one of them. Great division. I mean, I got a little details. I'm going a little more details than I should have, but I did that more for presentation. You want to let me off the hook and just make it the Broncos. Bronco?

Well, you could see why I wouldn't be clear on it. No, the two teams is key. I literally was just asking. Because the Broncos not making the playoffs. Well, you're putting them in third place in the division. Sure. All right. Yeah, I don't care.

Yeah, two teams will make it, which will be Oakland again. It'd be very hard for that not to happen. This one's tough. Interesting. I'm going to take it just for Gits and Shigles. Okay. Like, who would pass them? The Chargers could.

In theory, the Bengals or Steelers, I guess, could. I like the Broncos. I give the Broncos a better chance to make the playoffs than the Raiders even after that game. Where's Simeon right now on your QB in day? He's low. 24. Thanks for the plug, too. Comes out on Wednesdays. I think he's 20. A lot of high-octane content. Well, 24 is higher than their quarterbacks were last year.

Exactly. But their defense is going to lose. 25. Here's what I'd say. At this point in the season, like I can see where you came up with that. But Denver and their players know how to play well in November and December. So I'm not, I can't count them out yet. taking you on it taking you i like the broncos see that's you know that's six for six on onion

takers Greg you need a good one you need a real good one oh you don't try to peer pressure me into just losing some sandwiches i'm going to throw out the weakest one you've ever seen and win this whole thing okay no it's an experience that was too real that was too real i'm just kidding how about the cow he had a problem he overcame it now he's dipping right back into dark Territories. Cowboys don't win the NFC East. What? Why would you say that?

I'll take you. Just because you guys are pressuring me into something. Oh, don't do that. No, no, no, no. Good if you don't want to do it. I want to do it. I was thinking what's something that's a low percentage that I could see happening. That's the Cowboys not winning this division.

I like it. I'll take you. Thanks for the sandwich. I'll take it. So I mean, I do believe that they will play all 16 games. I mean, there's two games. Which is more than Mark has guaranteed us. Well, first of all, that's not more because I have teams playing at least 18.

Interesting. So there's no – I don't even want to go down that road. What did you call it a societal disruption? Not in my official sentence. We don't need to go back to that. You all took me on it. We'll see what happens. No, it's interesting today.

Laugh now. Giggle now. It's interesting, Mark. Is that like an evil court? I'm not giggling, get your giggles in. As NFL employees, should we go to the Super Bowl, we have to send credentials in, background checks. Are you so confident in this that you're not even going to send

your information for the credentials or any? Are you going to have family members? Told you nobody would win. That's true. It's different. Maybe we show up for the week. Nice week in Houston. It's a tie. The Cowboys are two ahead in the lost column. The players sit out

out of protesting police violence. Over the Giants and Redskins. Three ahead of the Eagles. Only eight games to play, folks. all these teams. Well, you wanted an onion hanger. No, it's a good onion hanger. I'll take you on it.

I'd be really surprised if the Cowboys lose more than five games. That's a Walla Walla. That might be a... Walla is a big onion. Giant sweet Spanish onions are good. And a red Zeppelin is a big red onion.

So you're talking Cowboys Collapse because if they go four and four, they go 11 and 5. And I think that would be good enough to beat any team in this division. Yeah, Cowboys collapse combined with another team in the East, absolutely blowing up down the stretch. Well, we know if they lose two games, Romo's coming in on the White Horse.

White Horse talk. According to Greg, two games and Dak's gone. Yeah, I felt more confident in Romo starting their playoff game. But I like this anyways. Good sandwich props, everybody. Mark, did you have something to share with us? Now a word from our sponsor. Hmm.

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All right. Thursday night preview. The Cleveland Browns are 0 and 9. and they're looking for that first win and they now travel to Baltimore to face the Ravens who on the strength of their surprise victory surprised to some over the Steelers

are now tied for first place in the AFC North Chris Wessling I don't know how to get into this game Wes what do you think about this one is this another trap game I don't know I mean they all are the Browns. Everybody look out for the Browns.

They're a sleeping giant. What is this narrative that you're creating? Dan's really been upset lately that he thinks the Browns get too much credit, too much love. It's all about the Jets game when everybody was picking the Browns. It's not about it. That Jets were one of them and maybe that's what it really got on my radar. But it's been happening both before that game and it is heart of hearts. Including last week in Dallas with Dallas by the way

which I could not wrap my head around and you know 3510 told the story. That's that's fair. And it's hard of hearts, though, it's a little bit of worry that I think if you're choosing one set of players versus another long term, you might go Browns over Jets right now. Jets got a little rebuilding. Yeah, maybe. Draft booty included? Yeah. I mean, to me, that has nothing to do with it.

But if I had to take the roster, I don't know, maybe the Browns. But the Browns, everything always seems to go to hell anyway. So how do we know the Browns have a good roster right now? You're trying to get me to go crazy about the Browns again. No, no, nothing. more to learn about Thursday nights game. No, this is a terrible matchup for them because Brandon Williams and Timmy Jern again and Zachor, Connor's cousin, has been playing outstanding.

And if you can't run the ball when you're the Browns and they haven't for the last month for the most part, they were third and eight, third and nine with Cody Kessler and you saw how that work last week. It's not going to work. He was a little trigger shy last week, which is a concern. I wonder why, because he's been battered in every game, which brings us to the second big issue for Cleveland, which is their offensive line. Well, it certainly doesn't help when the first round draft bus center gets kicked out of the game

in the first quarter. By the way, when he has played, he's not looked like a first rounder. They let Alex Mack go, and their fill-in has not done the job. And we haven't even gotten to their defense. Well, this will be an interesting matchup. A Ravens team that had no interest in running the ball for eight weeks and then tried to run the ball in Pittsburgh and couldn't do it. Can they finally get a running attack just because they're playing the Browns?

This is a big weakness on weakness. I've been amazed how bad the Ravens' offense has been. It's gotten worse during the season. It was better in September, and it's gotten worse and worse. You would think everyone gets healthy against this Cleveland team. They have some players going for him. Steve Smith kind of looked like his old self. Mike Wallace is playing pretty well.

Their offensive line isn't bad. Terrence West, we like. They should be better than they are. Dennis Pitta scoring two touchdowns here. I mean, Dan, I get what you're saying. I think early in the season, Cleveland played teams tight. That was not an illusion. And that was at a time where everyone was like, Cleveland's a disaster.

And people who were watching the Browns games are saying, actually, they're hanging in these games. And they very nearly beat the Ravens the first time out. I don't see that over the last three or four weeks with Cleveland. Your defense is an absolute disaster right now. We tend to focus on offense. And their offense overall has been a little better than the Ravens' offense this year. but the defense is just so bad that it kills it. Yeah, and the Ravens defense in Baltimore has been as good as any home defense in the league this year.

They just shut down the Steelers for three quarters. And I think if you're the Browns, all those draft picks they got, a few of them have to go to safety because they have the worst safety play in the NFL. Does anybody pick the Browns in this game? No. No. Do so at your own risk. Are you?

No, I'm not. And I want to make it clear because both the Browns and the Jets and the Pats get tied to the people in the podcast studio who root for those teams. I want the Browns to get better. I want them to be a playoff team again. I want Mark to be happy and the Browns fans to be happy. But, you know, let's start winning some games before we start giving out of credit. They're a long way away, and I think even people within the building said this would be the hardest year, and I don't know how you could script a tougher start to the season if we're still in a start territory.

What's their record this season at the end of the year? I'd go one in 15. Yeah, and that gives you the number one pick. Maybe. And it keeps you away from infamy. That's almost like, in a weird way, best case scenario. Although with the 49ers around, you never know. That's true.

They don't play, right? They do not. They played. That would be amazing game. They played last year. That would be great. Well, I always thought I like Sheck's thing where didn't he have the theory that the two teams, the worst team should have a first-round pick playoff game.

The winner gets the big. The loser, the toilet ball, I think he calls it, the winner of that game gets the number one pick. I love it. Wow, it's better than when the year the Buccaneers tanked on purpose and nobody cared that they did that. What about the cults? I don't think the Colts die.

I think the Colts were genuinely that bad. Curtis Painter was involved. They won some games at the end of that year. They won a game at the end of the year and almost blew it. All right. There you go. Primetime game. baby names let's hear him oh no who's holding down the fort in the chair the old big chair

on thursday i believe we will have uh connie fox oh yeah she's highly capable great job does a great job every time she's asked to just like connie chung and perhaps hillary rottam clinton an evolutionary connie chung all right baby names i'll throw one out how about this? Don't tell me that there's not going to be a baby or anything weird like that after the Super Bowl prediction. No, not at all. You're going to have a wonderful, a wonderful baby.

And you have a fantastic son named Jack, who we've all met and we love him. He's a good boy. So how about instead of all this rigamarral trying to come up with a second name, you go, Jack 2.0 automatic update with improved applications and usability, Hansus. It's a mouthful.

It's a mouthful. And also, how does Jack 1.0 feel about that? Because in technology parlance, wouldn't the 2.0 be superior to the original model? I think any older brother or sister has to deal with the fact that humans are always evolving. So the younger brother or sister, despite all the things they lose in life, you know, the younger version is always going to be a little bit, got a little bit of an edge on any older sibling. And what about for short? Are they just Jack 1 and Jack 2?

That's up to you guys. I don't want to control you. That's up to you. I'm kind of like one and two. That's great. Short. All right. I'll run that by Emily.

I'll promise you that. Wes. This is a strong Nordic name. I mean, I think it flows well with your last name, but you might not like it because it went out of style around the 1880s. But Rosco Hanses. Ooh, I like that. You've got some, you know, Roscoe Parrish, the former Bill's punt returner, you know, Roscoe Tanner. Roscoe, chicken and waffles.

That's what I'm saying. There's a landmark place in L.A. Roscoe's chicken and Walt. We could take him to Roscoe's every birthday. Edwin R. Murrow's middle name is Edwin Roscoe Murrow? Roscoe, okay? I think that flows well. Bring it back. I think you can bring it back.

You're sure you don't want to save that for yourself. You're a bringing it back kind of guy. I don't think Roscoe Wessling goes as well as Roscoe Hanses. Like the O flows into the H. I think it does well. One potential blockade, Emily. Again, all of these I, all of these I appreciate it and will run by my wife.

Okay. That's all I can say. I'm not feeling so confident about her. Well, it certainly has a better chance in Marks. Right. Marks comes from a dystopian future. I mean, I'm actually going with a name that you guys already approved. That's true.

Logic. I want to hear more of theirs. There sounds better. All right. Does anybody else have another one? Mark has a few. That's my only one. Here's one.

All right, last one. Friends question mark, overrated sitcom. that probably went on three seasons too long or maybe not question mark let's discuss hansis okay that's a weird one yeah and I don't want to have

yeah that's a weird one the others are plus I come to I believe friends to be one of the best sitcoms of the night I know it's important so I don't want to even open up that debate to people who will be critical of a sitcom that I quite enjoy I thought it would put you in a place where you'd sort of be a champion

of that debate from now until the end and your son would carry on and carry it on after you. You're one of the few people I know that vehemently defends friends, you know. But it got that far, but... Well. I would play favorites at the old Hansis Manor. I would just like Jack better than a friend kid.

You know what? I just thought about Will and Grace, Hansus. It's an option. What about a name that's bubbled up in this room a few times? But I don't really see out there much. LaGerry. Ligary Hansis.

That's great. That is Greg. So you don't doubt yourself. That could be a winner. My brother Nick would love that. LaGarry Hansis. I like it. Which could even shorten further just to LaGie.

And it wouldn't be like, for instance, Jack isn't on his birth certificate. It's Jack. It's not John or anything like that or Jonathan. The show is still going, right? This would be LaGaritt. This would be LaGarie. Oh, you started LaGri. Yeah.

That's his name. Yeah. Do you have anything else, Mark? Time to wake up, sir. I'll send mine privately to Dan later, the rest. Okay. Thank you, guys. I promise you they will all be run by.

Honestly, I feel like Roscoe's got a pretty good chance after seeing the other one. I kept my best stuff, you know, under wraps. We'll be back on Thursday where we will recap. Oh, yeah, that concludes the Brown Ravens preview. We'll be back on Thursday night, late Thursday, where the scientists will recap that Brown's Ravens games and then possibly the Connie Chung of NFL media,

Colleen Wolf, will be in my place, in my chair. Pretty sure. Leading the show, previewing all the games to come in week 10. Here we go. So hold down the fort. We wish your luck, Tim. Yeah, Emily. Connie Chung, Connie Fox.

It actually all ties the... There we can. There you go. All right, thanks, guys. Stan Hans is signing off for the Quiet Storm, the mailman, the boss. Sid, behind the glass, dope Thursday.

Trump situation, by the way. What do you mean? He's running for president? Oh, the Belichick thing? Everybody got their bits out? He possibly... Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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