NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Graybeards 2022 with Evan Silva

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe take you through all of the latest NFL news including the tragic loss of Dwayne Haskins at 24 years old. Evan Silva joins the show to go over Dan Hanzus's Graybeards roster. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael Florio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet. We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents.

Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the NFL podcast. Had their request to guarantee their incentives, deny. Oh, wow. From the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. So that one hit too close to home.

It's around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis. Once again, a new partner. Mark Sessler now on vacation, but back from vacation. Greg Rosenthal. Hey, buddy. How you doing? That knew a partner.

We've done about 1,300 shows, I would guess. 1,700? Who really knows? So many. Millions of shows, perhaps. How you doing, pal? I was good. I'm good.

You know, went back to Massachusetts, saw the fam. So the Celtics put up 144 in a game Win by 42 That's some nice seats You know Two seat in the east That's good

Oh not They're gonna probably have to play the nets But we'll find out We'll find out We'll find out I do want to touch on We did check in On your social media

While you were gone And there was a Instagram story Okay Of you looking out Into the abyss Into enjoying nature And we're like

Oh that wasn't very like Greg to really put himself out there like that on social media, and we were just wondering what headspace you were in at that moment. You clearly didn't actually listen to it. It was just sort of a joke. It was like peace and quiet. It was this pretty view, but then seven seconds in Walker's voice pops up and it's like, Mommy, where are you?

So you didn't have, it was just like a bit. Oh, I see. All right. Well, then, what's your bit here? Oh, no, we thought it was tied to, you know, recreational. Substance use Unfortunately, not that day But certainly

That's in the mix On a family vacation All right, good Well, I'm glad you had a nice vacation What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no, no, no, oh my gall Oh my gall

Is that That's Connie Fox's music Oh There's a walk Oh my goodness We can't hear you because you're not wearing a microphone. It's the first thing they teach you

in walking out of school. Turn out of my headphones. Turn her up. Colleen, you look like you worked on that walk-in. I did. Check out, check us out. Hold on.

I got to this chair now. It's gotten to the point where the Colleen walk-in is leading to Connie shooting me the bird from behind the glass. But I think it's brand building. I think you'll look back one day and say thank you, Dan. for trying to get this bit off the ground

because it's going to pay off in spades with some type of major sponsorship or something down the line. That's great. I hope so. I am wonderful. I just finished a little mock draft live. You guys can check that out on NFL Network.

Lance Surline just released his latest mock. I'm all warmed up right now. I also sprinted up the steps in heels with my asthma and I don't have an inhaler. So it's going to be fine. All right. Take a deep breath. You were actually, you were in Tybee Island this weekend with Joel.

I was. So we had a wedding in Savannah. One of my best friends from college got married there. And Tybee's obviously like 20 minutes away from Tybee. So I stayed an extra day and I got my friend to come to Huckapoo's with me. And it was so nice. It was a gorgeous day, first of all. But it was just so nice because I felt like I was hanging out with Wes.

And I got to our good friends, Rosie and Wayne, who know Wes very well. they came and met up with us. And then they randomly pulled like two gigantic collages out of nowhere, like from behind a booth and dusted them off. And it was all of these photos of Wes from years and years ago from Huckabooz with all of the characters. I don't remember ever seen that. I had never seen it.

There multiple times now. It was amazing. It was such a great time. Yeah. And then our buddy Wayne, he has a Pontiac GTO, which I did not know about. So he took us for a spin. I had a wonderful time. That is, that's a great.

I always thought that Tybee was always 120 degrees with 100% humidity, but you're saying there's actually just nice chill weather there too? Well, the wedding that I had on Saturday was on a dock with no heaters, and it dipped down to about 40 degrees and major wind gusts. So, yeah. I didn't do anything. I was home. I was home this weekend.

Loser. Big time loser. Took the suns to see Sonic 2. How is that? You know what it is? It's two hours and two minutes long. And you know what? The next day, or that night, I was scanning through Netflix and full metal jacket.

The great Stanley Kubrick masterpiece was on. So what did you do? One hour and 56 minutes long. It's a lot of movies. I am in a world of shit. This is not the time. for the mark bot i know he's on vacation but i'm annoyed now okay you're saying little filler in sonic two i'm just saying they maybe it's time for all of hollywood to take a good look in the

mirror that's all i agree with it i can't sit still it's really difficult for me to watch a movie in general so i would much rather a show i went and saw that movie drive my car in the theater because i knew i would never be able to sit through it at home two hours and 50 minutes the new batman's three hours what's going on no that's way too Too much. Uh-uh. All right. Today's show, great to have the crew here.

Mark getting his much-deserved vacation, so we'll try to leave him alone. Okay. That's very important. Coming up on today's show, yes, it is the unveiling on the podcast of the 2022 graybeards with very special guest, my roster, Consigliari, Evan Silva, of Establish the Run. So that's coming up a little later. But first, we have to get caught up on the news. It's funny

Some people see M and they see him as some sound well rapper But to me he's a storyteller That's what I feel about myself When I'm holding this guitar Anyway Look at me going on and on

Here's satellite These are the messages I get from Dan Hansis On a regular basis I have no context for this I don't need it I don't need it I don't want it

We had a brief conversation You should have context for my own, if you have any respect for me. No, I talked about, we were talking about guitar play. I asked if you knew how to play guitar. I don't know how to play guitar. And I said, if I did know how to play guitar, I would have been a great dorm douche back in college because that's endless game. I mean, it would be a shooting fish in a barrel. That would be an example of dialogue I would share.

We were trying to do like a live performance of a bit coming up, but, you know, that didn't work out. I think it worked out better, though. Yeah, and Satellite, of course, is Dave Matthews band because if you had three Dave songs in your back pocket with the acoustic guitar in the dorm, you were crushing it at Northeastern with you. If I had a guitar, but I didn't, so I wasn't. All right, let's get into the news.

Let's start with something really sad, really tragic. Steelers quarterback, Dwayne Haskins, died Saturday morning after he was hit by a vehicle in South Florida, 24 years old unbelievable tragedy here stand out at Ohio State a star there helped them win a championship

all Big Ten honors went to the NFL did not go as well in the pros but it's hard to believe Greg that we would lose Dwayne Haskins at this age 24 years old what a tragedy yeah it's really sad and you know he was he was expected

to return to the Steelers this year, play a backup role there. And when you follow these players, you don't know them. And unfortunately, sometimes it takes something like this to learn more about Dwayne Haskins, like the man and the friend. And you just heard so much from his teammates, both in Washington and Pittsburgh, of like what he meant to them, that he was always looking to improve, looking to get better, that he was a very passionate, like, person. and impacted so many people all we know about is like what we see on the field and I don't know

it's it it's tough all these early deaths they always like hit hard but it hits even harder after west for some reason that just like whenever a life is lost too soon and the way our world is now that we're bombarded with social media and just information all the time like it's always happening but it just makes you think it it definitely hit me different because I was already feeling nostalgic for West when I was in Georgia. And then I got the news of Dwayne Haskins. And I had a chance to talk with him a lot at the Combine. And he was so sweet before he was coming out. Like we talked about so many different things just about him and his life and what he liked. We had this shared love for Alan Iverson who that was the first person who got me

into sports. And he also just had this love for cooking and this infectious smile and had an entire Instagram dedicated to the dogs that he and his girlfriend shared together. So we talked about so many different things. I remember he had thrown at a special needs football camp. And that was something that was really special and important to him. And he also had this eighth grade science project that he did. Because everybody always brings up the fact that he He wanted to go to Ohio State, and he talked about it, and he had basically said that he was going to go there, and then it happened. But I thought that this was interesting. He had this eighth-grade science project that he did, and he was able to determine that an over-the-top throwing motion produces the cleanest release, the tightest spirals, and the highest velocity.

And he got an A on the project, and he was so proud of that. So it's just so tragic the entire situation. He was so young and it's just so, so sad. And it did because you learn more about someone after they pass, somebody that's a celebrity or someone that's a notable figure sometimes. And for me, as someone who doesn't follow college closely, I didn't know any of that, Dwayne Haskins as a college star. Legend.

A legend at Ohio State, that guy that was born to play there and then took the team to Rose Bowl greatness. So for me, it was as a football, as a professional, I only knew the guy that wasn't ready for the NFL that didn't play well in Washington and now was hoping to make it and stick around at Pittsburgh as a backup. So it's just it's a reminder that these people are more than what they do just on the field. When you get to the NFL, there's a whole person behind it. It's just it's a tragic thing.

Everyone who was getting passed around, of course, on social media, his last Instagram post or he was just messing around having fun with different Steelers players. They were working out in Florida when this accident occurred. just very sad and our hearts go out to his family so dwayne haskins passes away at 24 hard to believe moving on clayas campbell and the ravens are back in business two years 12 and a half million dollar deal uh makes too much sense because campbell has spent the last two years in baltimore and has remained a really productive player gregg both against the run and getting after the quarterback there's few maybe he's not the same

guy was five years ago, but still a big time productive talent. He wouldn't be on the street. I mean, he looks like the same guy that he was when you were sidling up to him at some... The biggest man I've ever been. What was that? Hard knocks, like... It was the all or nothing premiere in downtown L.A. I mean, the deepest voice in the game, there's one of one.

You know, they say that a lot when people pass or... But Kaleas Gamel in terms of what he does as a player is a one of one. There's really kind of no one like him. his size, his ability, and his ability to not get any worse as he gets older. Like, PFF, if he goes to the Hall of Fame, and I think he'll have a chance, I think he'll be discussed. PFF will be part of the process because he's been one of the highest ranked, like, interior defensive linemen throughout the PFF era.

And I think that's helped the football cognacente really know and appreciate a player like him. He kind of reminds me a little, a different style, but an errands. Smith, who was with Pittsburgh a while back, also a PFF favorite, Bill Belichick loved him. It was like a Richard Seymour type, doing a lot of the dirty work that doesn't get a lot of the publicity or the stats, but the football heads know. I love that. PFF, has there been a PFF Hall of Famer yet?

And if there hasn't, would Campbell be the first? I think Andrew Whitworth will be the first test. I think he now became more famous later in his career because he joined the Rams and he started to get a few more. all pros and he ended how he ended. But I think for a while, PFF was kind of carrying the flag that, hey, actually, I know there's Joe Thomas and Walter Jones and all these other guys, but Andrew Whitworth is one of the best three or four tackles in the league. Year after year, they were saying that.

And eventually, I think everyone caught up so he could be the first. Callais continues to be so good. I really thought that he was going to retire, having had a chance to work with him on game day morning this year during the playoffs, just talking with him. He was saying that he was trying out some different things in media. and he liked it. And first of all, he is just the nicest guy in the world off the field.

And yes, Dan, I can confirm. He's the largest human being I've ever met. Oh, I'd love to see you guys side by side by side. He's like a gentle giant. He's so cool, too. I just had such a great time working with him. But he was so thoughtful in what we were doing for the show and the conversations that we were having.

And I can tell that he is the same way on the field, too. And you can see it when he plays. The fact that he's known as a guy that gets after the quarterback, but these last few years he's been really used as a run stopper. But I just, I like what Baltimore did bringing him back. There were reports that he turned down offers elsewhere to go back to Baltimore. The Ravens just brought back Josh Binds on Friday. I wish they had gotten Bobby Wagner.

I love to. I want to like be picking the Ravens as a big comeback team because football outsiders have this stat that they were the most injured team in the last 20 years. Like they track, adjust. did games lost every year, and it's just a number. And the Ravens were the least lucky, the most unlucky team in 20 years. And so to me, if you had added Bobby Wagner and all the players coming back and all this. But even then Campbell, they brought back Michael Pierce, who they used to have, who was in Minnesota, too.

You feel good about the Ravens right now? So I'm saying. They're just a natural candidate to totally bounce back. They were very unlucky towards the end of last year, losing all those close games, and were just decimated by injuries. He was in conversation with Peter King recently, and he believes Kosell that there could be five quarterbacks taken in the first round. Gregi, this, well, I'm of two minds on this.

One, of course, because that seems how it always works out. But two, this year's like the ultimate test because back in February before the combine, everyone was of the opinion. There might not be any quarterbacks or maybe one that would go in the first round. But what happens after the combine, after the pro days, as teams figure out the lay of the land

after free agency, there's always going to be that hunger at the signal caller position. It is the ultimate test of that. I feel like the year that Christian Ponder and Jake Locker and all them started going 8, 10, 12 was where it got really crazy. They put all those guys on the cover with Cam Newton on Sports Illustrated. And then this draft is turning into a similar case, but it makes sense to me.

First of all, when you go through all these players, like they don't seem like that bad prospects. They seem all like borderline first round picks, right? And so if you're the Panthers or you're the Seahawks or you're these teams that are being talked up to stealers to maybe take them in first round, are you going to wait for round two? Are you just going to take them?

Just take them. I think that this year is such a weird class with the quarterbacks, though. And even the mock drafts that have come out from our guys here at NFL Network, like Bucky had one two weeks ago that came out, had zero quarterbacks going in the first round. And that's something that I thought might actually be possible, but with that fifth year option,

you know teams are going to trade into the back end. But I just don't know about this quarterback class compared to years past because just based on everything that I've heard from insiders and scouts and teams, it's not a good class. And it seems like teams are going to always talk themselves into just taking a chance on someone. but if you draft a first round quarterback, then you're beholden to that. And if that player isn't as good as maybe the scrub that you already have on your roster, you're in some trouble.

Sam Darnold does not need to be called me as scrub. You know that's too far. But they're the best example. And Josh, Josh Norris on Twitter today kind of pointed out, they've traded back a ton and they're at six. So they're a candidate to trade back and then take a Desmond grid or something. But like, are you really going to go through this quarterback?

and not go through this draft and not take one? Are the Saints really getting out of this first round with those two picks without taking a quarterback? I don't know. The Saints, I think, take one. I think the Steelers probably will because that makes a lot of sense, especially with the tragic news of Haskins and then Ben Rothesburg are not being there and having Mitchell Trubisky. I think the Lions are an interesting candidate to trade up because of that 30-second pick

that they got from trading Matthew Stafford. They don't have any long-term option. So those examples are all good. examples of teams that if it makes sense, if they're in a position to take a quarterback and they feel comfortable doing it where they are in the draft, yes, take a swing. Like Greg, you always say, just keep taking swings. But the Panthers are that perfect example of the team that might be, they've backed themselves into a corner here. And now they might have to take a swing. They're not even confident about. And that's usually when disaster

strikes. But who knows? You also, nobody knows anything. So they might hit on a guy that everyone roundly criticizes as being a bad pick, and then he becomes a good starter. Right, like the, I don't know, where guys get drafted, so gets talked about a lot on draft weekend, and then it fades away. Chad Reuter on our website has three going in the top 12, which is like that, that feels like, and whether it's right or not, and a lot of times the pre-draft buzz is, is not right, but the buzz at this moment is that they keep creeping up. And I think it kind of makes sense because when you actually hear about all these guys,

to me, they sound attractive. Like they sound like good prospects depending on what you're looking for. Like everyone looks at them differently. There's not some huge consensus, but I feel like each one you can make the case as a first round pick. All right.

We're about to take a break, but I just want to say something. Our YouTube page, which, by the way, Ricky, what is, how do people get to our YouTube? If you just type in, NFL podcast, we have a full podcast page that just hit over 20,000 subscribers. Whoa.

Hot damn. Yeah. Awesome. So if you want to see every Colleen intro into the studio since this bit began. Yeah. Go to YouTube. You can go to YouTube. You can also go to our Instagram page at ATN, the ATN podcast.

If you want to see Greg getting aroused by the talk of Teddy Bridgewater. No one in a nice spot down in Miami, go to YouTube. If you want to see Mark getting red or. and redder in the face and looking like he's about to kill us. Go to YouTube. Yeah. Over 20,000 subscribers. Our Instagram is also over 20,000.

So go follow us on Instagram, too, at the ATN podcast. And let's take a break. We'll be right back. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from Scouting Reports and Player Development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices

construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups,

and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, We give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you.

Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. I'm Marcus Grant.

And I'm Michael F. Florio. and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet, we've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL, Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, back. Let's hit the rest of the news before we get to the gray beards and Evan Silva. Oh, boy. I mean, what is going on down there?

The U.S. House Oversight Committee sent a letter to the Federal Trade Commission saying it found evidence that the NFL's Washington commanders engaged in unlawful financial conduct. In a letter obtained by the Associated Press, the committee said the team withheld ticket revenue from visiting teams and refundable. ticket deposits from season ticket holders. The committee said emails, this is all per the Associated Press. Documents and statements made by former employees indicate team executives and owner Dan Snyder engaged in a, quote, troubling, long-running and potentially unlawful pattern of financial conduct.

Greg, the Washington football team, as they were known, now the commanders, as they're currently known, have been connected to nefarious behavior for years now, and you wonder if something that involves money coming out of owner's pockets could be the thing that changes things in Washington. Well, it's all very public. This letter that one congressman sent out from the Oversight Committee was being released. And the NFL is not going to say much, but I'm just reminded of Roger Goodell making it clear at the end of his last press conference that Dan Snyder was not running the Washington,

and commanders, and that he did not expect that to change anytime soon, which is, I mean, a pretty drastic and almost unprecedented situation for an NFL team owner and all of this evidence that they're seeking and the accusations that they're making is all coming out of an investigation into their treatment in the workplace of women. So it's multiple things happening and it's affecting the NFL in a very serious way that they don't want to. It's unprecedented. We're not going to guess what happens here. But I think it's safe to say it absolutely has the NFL's attention.

I think if the owners find out that they were duped out of money and a lot of money that should have been theirs, then they're actually going to do something about this. I don't know of many things that would send a lot of shockwaves to people. but when you take someone's money and you're like a billionaire, that's something that they care about. Right. You don't take money from billionaires. Bad things will happen to you.

We'll see how this unfolds. We'll continue to track it as more details come out. Some quickies before we wrap up the news. Wide receiver corner, Brandon Cook's, back to the Texans. And a two-year extension, I believe. Good for him. Hopefully he doesn't get traded. He's been a wildly productive receiver over the course of his country.

He's getting the benefit of this whole, like, every wide receiver gets a lot of money. Brandon Cook's like, hey, man, I'm like, you know, he's the equivalent of the NBA players just like, I'm a bucket. I'm a thousand yards. He's a thousand yards. No matter what, you can stick him on the Texans. He's going to get a thousand yards. I like to what Pep Hamilton said that Brandon Cook provides a level of paranoia or defensive. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. Brandon Cook's a selling point. He could represent himself. I will give you exactly 1100 yards and six to seven touchdowns every year. Is that good enough for you? Is there a place on your roster for me, Brandon Cooks? The most interesting thing about this was like,

that the Texans like actually wanted to keep someone. I've been waiting, like, because there was this talk that they might end up trading cooks. And I was starting to wonder like, what is the point of the Texans here? I feel so bad for him. He just is constantly, what are the point of the first?

Like, it's kind of the same thing is true with the whole Seattle rumors of trading D.K. Metcalf or even the AJ. I don't know. of where this stuff is coming from but it's like what is the point of the Seahawks if you're just trying to trade away your best players

because like that doesn't that doesn't work that it's never worked this isn't the NBA like you're not good at drafting the Seahawks are bizarre right now to me so you're saying and I'll use I'm just saying like you want to have good young players

Russell Wilson I can almost put him in a different boat but you have a guy in your 20s why are you trying to get rid of good players I don't get that I'll yeah I'll use a baseball analogy before they were caught cheating. The Astros were famous for. They stripped it down all the way down to the studs.

But that's baseball. Oh, I'm saying. And then through good drafting, built a superpower. Do we have any evidence that that works in the NFL? But there are teams that try it. Like we're seeing it right now with the Jets, for instance. So the lions, but you still need to have the right leadership.

And then you've got to get lucky on several picks working out. It's a lot. It takes a lot to build a team from the bottom. I know that the Cowboys have done a really good job. job in the draft these years passed. Look at what they've done in the first round. I mean, they've gotten like seven of their last first round picks, seven of their eight last first round picks were all pro-boys.

Well, the Herschel Walker trade is a perfect example, but that was 30 years ago. That was their one good asset on those Dallas teams when Jerry Jones first took over with Jimmy Johnson, sent him to the Vikings and took those picks and built a dynasty. It can be done, but it's very difficult. But it's getting rid of good players doesn't help you get other good players. That is my point. Yes, you can get extra a couple extra draft picks, but all you're hoping to do is somehow find a DK Metcalf in that.

You have a known commodity versus the draft and who knows what's going to happen. It's kind of like if you look at the cap space in the league now, there's a lot less teams that are rolling in every year with way too much caps space because I think GMs have realized partly do the Rams and Eagles and Titans and Patriots and how some teams have run. It's like, you're wasting money with cap. What is the point of cap space? You should be maxing out to win every year

or else you're going to lose and you're going to get fired. It's like a two-year league. So getting rid of good young players, Greg, what is the point of anything, really? You're going to get fired. Titans coach Mike Brable says when A.J. Brown hits the trade block,

I will not be the head coach. So that was struck down very hard, A.J. Brown leaving Tennessee. and Terry McLaurin, your boy, Greg, not negotiating with Washington. Keep an eye on that. Everyone is talking about A.J. Brown and D.K. Matcalf, but if there's a wide receiver-hungry team out there, we know there are several. Terry McLaurin is well respected by people that follow the game.

Where is this coming from? It doesn't sound like the Titans are at all interest. I think it's just, this feels like it's just coming out of thin air a little bit. Once Screamdigger said that it wasn't serious, I took that as gospel. I've moved forward personally on that. And finally, or two things, the Broncos, Texans, Jaguars, Raiders, Vikings, and Bucks, all have started their voluntary workouts. Dead last on that list, Cincinnati Bengals, by a wide margin, the last to start workouts. And, you know, I think you can maybe look at the success they had last year.

and I think, Connie, this goes in all walks of life. You can't rest on your laurels. You can't just assume you're going to get back to that point or take the next step. And Cincinnati punting on an early start to voluntary workouts, don't tell me they made it had a long playoff run. I don't care. That's in the past.

Show me that you're serious about winning tomorrow, not yesterday. I would say rest and recovery is just as important as working out. It's all part of working out, really. and that's how you maximize things. So not work harder, work smarter. Work smarter. That old bit. Yep.

All right. It's a way of life. It is interesting, though, that they're so far behind everyone. Like, I think they're two weeks. Thank you. Behind everyone. Are you listening, Colleen? Greg's agreeing with me.

They got to the Super Bowl. How far behind it? Tell Connie, because I don't think she's educated on this. Oh, okay. Tell her how far behind they are. I'm looking through it. It's two weeks behind. Oh, I think I found why Connie.

is not dialing into this. So they're two weeks behind every team in the entire league, including the champion Rams. I mean, they're coming back to work. Oh, my God. Colleen, are you going to let the mansplain to you like that? It's not a mansplained. Take them down.

Listen, as someone that doesn't enjoy working out, I completely co-signed. I'm aligned with what the Bengals are doing right now, and I think they're doing a fabulous job, and they could do whatever they want. So slug it out. Why not show up week one? Now, it's the, what month is it even?

It's April. Like, who cares? They're going to have other workouts. They're going to have OTAs. They're going to have a whole. Check back with me in October. So their first day. Their first day is two weeks after everyone else, except for one team.

You know, who else is changing the game? Who is actually taking the longest rest of any team in the NFL? No. Colleen's own Philadelphia. Exactly. This is what you do. Maybe she knew that. This is why Lyle Collins,

left Dallas and went to Cincinnati and immediately got a Bengals tattoo on himself. The thing is, though, they're just working out, though. They're not actually on the field. I mean, when I watch the Eagles in the playoffs in January, my first thought was take a long break. You've earned it. I thought maybe they could just stop after two quarters.

Time now for news and notes presented by Upwork where you could build the team that will build your business, learn more at Upwork.com. I want to hit on this, Travis A.T.N. A first round pick of the Jaguars. They had two last year. Trevor Lawrence at 1, ATN in the background of the back end of the first round. He gets injured in training camp, I believe it was in Achilles,

missed the entire season. He met with the media as part of voluntary workouts for Jacksonville, and he had a nice little funny line about, you know, the timing, the ill timing of his injury, but also, there was a time to miss a year. Is there also a part of me that was like, man, I'm glad I don't have to go through that. No, no, definitely.

That's just the human element of it. Just seeing the results, you definitely like, if there was any year to miss, I missed the great one. Best of luck to Travis. And everyone on the Jaguars that never has to look at Urban Meyer in the eye ever again. That was News and Notes, presented by Upwork, the world's work marketplace.

Learn more at Upwork.com. Let's take a break, and then welcome in Evan Silva and hit the gray beers, 22. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.

Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies. roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you.

Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. I'm Marcus Grant.

And I'm Michael F. Florio, and together we host the NFL fantasy football podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL fantasy football podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet. We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL fantasy football podcast on the, I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. We're gonna save the day We're gonna save the day Gray beards Just give us one last say We're here today Gone tomorrow

Will you watch or follow Age don't mean I cannot play You will see me lead the day You will see me lead the way Gray beards never go away There goes my hero, watch him as he go. I'm going to kill you, Dan. I'm going to kill you.

There goes my hero. He's over 30. Graybeard's 22. Colleen, excellent backing box there. All right, Dan, I... Could have used a dry run, you and I, I understand that. I didn't know that you were singing it. You thought I was asking you to sing the entire song?

Yes, and I was like, I don't know if I can do that. I'm just wondering why am I up here? I feel so awkward. You should have had me leave the room sitting behind between you. We're going to work on that together, and we will redeem ourselves. We'll take another crack at it. This was like I saw as part of the great earn-in-it show that Lakeisha Jackson Wesley was featured on. All the preparation that went into Mary J. Blige's halftime performance,

just days and days of going over that couple of minutes just to get it right. And that's what I felt like I was witnessing here. This was like the Cincinnati Bengals version of that. All right, here he is patiently waiting. Evan Silva, the king, the big fish. Imagine Evan for the second straight year city. through that song. I can't believe it. That is something I make sure to do. I want Evan to get into the feeling of the gray beards.

My collection of 30 and over remaining free agents, unrastered players to use some establish the run parlance. Evan, what's up, buddy? This is definitely not only our second year doing this because I remember when you first asked me, I think it was four or five years ago, Dan, showing how memorable I am that you think it's only been two years two with the song two with the song i was still at oh two with the song yes the song i was still at i was still at rhoda world when you first asked me i wrote out like all these blurbs i took like the entire day to right we didn't use a single blurb and i still four years later don't really know what my role here is but i am i'm happy to to cheer on this

team because i think that this year's gray gray beers are going to score a lot of points Ooh, I mean, it depends just to help, as someone that's worked with Dan a long time, certain shows, it's just you're going to be a puppet on a string. He's the marionette guy, he's the master. It's not true. Not every show, no, no, but there's just some special Dan shows, this is it. Well, this is what's important here, thank you, Greg. What's important here for you to understand, Evan, if I haven't made myself clear, is you are, I look at you as like a consigliary, my roster conigliary when it comes to the graybeards. and you are the compass

to let me know if I've gone astray if there are people that should be on the roster but aren't people and vice versa and the article's been on NFL.com since last week and because of the changing shifting landscape of free agency and how veterans approach free agency, quite frankly, there are more high-quality players available now

than I can ever remember in the eight years I've done this exercise. And even in the first, four or five days since this went live, Connie. Only one player came off the free agent wire. It was Callias Campbell, so we have to replace Callais in the middle of our defense. But otherwise, this roster is locked and loaded still. So, Evan, I hope that brings some clarity.

And I do remember when I asked you several years back to add some blurbs, and I thought I would get two lines. And then you gave me, like, giant paragraphs. And I remember thinking, I feel so bad because it was like a writing assignment and wasn't even your website. That was a miscommunication, just like Connie and I just now with our song. I'm sure you paid Evan for that, right?

Well, I think what we need, and I mean, Colleen didn't. He's paid me back in podcast appearances. There you go. Colleen didn't practice at all. I think what we need to do is you've got to send the lyrics over to Evan, and this segment needs to end with Evan singing the backing vocals. That's what the people want.

That's what I want. How do you feel about that? I'm not going to ask you to do anything. beyond what we're doing here. Bad idea, Greg. Bad idea. But what we could do, Connie, we could do a take two

to close the app. Oh, we have to do it again. Well, you have to do it, you know. You have to redeem yourself a little bit. Well, I do want to... You have to do it for the first time. Issue, an official apology for being tone deaf.

Just putting that out there first and foremost. That reminds me of Chris Wesleying, who, when he was in Catholic school on the west side of Cincinnati, struggled in chorus class so badly that the nun put his ear to the piano to learn tone. So Wes was not a practicing Catholic by the end of his life.

I'll just say that. All right. Let's get into it. That is an incredible story that I completely forgot about. He always leading into the fact that he was the least musical person he'd ever met and rhythm. But he loved music. He loved music. He just was not, yes.

He was not going to be ever seeing backing box for gray beards. All right. Let's get into it. Enough messing around. Evan's busy. Evan is the big fish for a reason. And Establish the Run is, it has been a huge success, hasn't it, Evan? It's been a fun ride, absolutely.

That's establisherun.com, add to Establisha Run on Twitter. All right. So check that out for a really great analysis on the sport and on the fantasy end of things. Let's get to the roster. And I do believe, without a doubt, and you guys can disagree. I know it's hard to kind of remember past years, but this is the best roster ever. In fact, by far. I have them at 10 and 7.

I have them as going to the dance. And look, Evans, Jake, nodded his head, my consigliary. So let's see where we come down. We'll start at quarterback. Okay, yeah, that's your first problem in terms of going 10 and 7. It's a problem, but also there's some magic involved. It's Fitzmagic. He's on the wire still.

He's age 39, turning 40 in November. Coming off, obviously, the hip injury that ruined his season last year. But Fitz at starter, and I can't believe it, Gino Smith, over Cam Newton as my backup. Greg, I threw your little bone there. I know you love Gino. I can't believe it. This feels like coming full circle for you and your Gino relationship that you had.

Greg is beaming. When you unfairly maligned him for what happened in New York. I think that's a little bit of a stretch. Is there anyone else, Evan, that you could think of a quarterback that's out there that might have been, would you put Cam ahead of Gino or even fits, for instance? No. And, you know, I actually made my own. gray beards without even reading your article and these were the uh and then i went back and reviewed and we wound

up with the same two quarterbacks oh that's oh that's excellent my my issue is that with ryan fitzpatrick i just don't know what his health status is he's 39 he's coming off a dislocated hip you know why i mean he's generated very little buzz there haven't haven't even been you know any rumors of him doing anything is he's just going to hang it up you know or sign with the team maybe during the season gino smith could begin the season as our would Would Ryan, we have to put them on reserve PUP to begin the year? Gino Smith in three starts for Seattle last year, 103 passer rated, okay? So he could carry us through the first few games.

Well, he's going to be suspended, too, for a DUI probably. But in this world, maybe, you know, then we could transition into it's magic. All right. That sets up nicely. Don't trust those TMZ cop sources. That's all I'm saying. You know something here?

If you know the story, you know. There's just a lot of bad reporting out there when it came to this. Only Greg would dig in deep on the police report reporting on Gina Smith, DUI. Ryan Fitzpatrick's a 39-year-old who just had hip surgery. I sort of assumed he was just going to walk away because he doesn't want to ruin the rest of his life. That seems like a tough way to go out, but it also seems like a warning not to play football again. The last report was that no immediate decision had been made, and that he might try to stay ready and then see what he's thinking in, like, September.

You know, like, be on the call list, but telling teams like, hey, don't bother with me for now. I'm just, I don't want to deal with the off season. So, yes, there's some risk here at quarterback, but at the same time, fits magic. Connie, at running back, I like the group here. I don't love it. I like it.

This team's going to get stronger as we go along. Jarick McKinnon, last time you saw him, he was getting snaps over former first round pick, Clyde Edwards-Zillair, in the playoffs. In fact, he had over 300 total yards and a touch. across three contests he's my starter uh and i have david johnson i don't know what's left with david johnson at this point but he's a guy can catch ball out of the backfield he's a professional he could do some handle some blitzes things of that nature that's my one too there what do you think

honey look this is going to be a position that no matter what year it is for the graybeards it's going to be a thin spot for them on the roster because running backs over 30 years old like yeah There's a decline there. Well, did you listen to the lyrics? I know you, the song, there's doubting of people that hit 30. I tried to black the song out from my memories. The song said though, like, it mentioned how you're over 30, right? Right.

But you have to then add in a little disclaimer inside the song. Jerich McKinnon doesn't turn 30 until me. All these guys are 30 at some point next season. But here are the lyrics, and I know Evan has them committed to memory, but if you're not aware, age don't mean I cannot play, you will see me lead the way. Graybeards never go away. So the assumption that you're making it

that these guys can't hack it anymore, maybe it's just team builders think that you turn 30 and you can't play running back anymore. I don't think it's true. It's not so much the age for me. It's really these two players, they don't get me that excited. I am actually really loving the wide receivers that you have on. Do we want to move to that?

Let's hit the wide receivers. This is by far. Self has been wrong about David Johnson, too. Too long in his career. Too many times, probably. Oh, Evan, speak on that. I'll let you speak on it. They both narrowed their eyes at each other.

I'm just saying who. Further disinformation. I'm just saying David Johnson must have burned just about every fantasy head there for a couple years. At one point, he looked like the guy. And it's been a steady series of underperformance, basically. Well, the thing is with Jared McKinnon and David Johnson, they can both function in the passing game.

It's a passing league. And if you look at our wide receiver crew, coming up and potentially our tight end core we're going to be throwing the ball a lot. Right, but you don't want to be like Pete Carroll with Gino. You want to let Gino throw the ball 40, 40, 45. The wide receivers, Craig. O'Dell Beckham, who's turning 30

in November. Antonio Brown, listen, I know he's a knucklehead but this is a fake team. And because it's a fake team, his knuckleheaddom can hurt me. Jarvis Landry, also 30 in November. And Julio Jones. That was kind of a tough decision. I thought maybe Julio would not

be my fourth guy. I could go with A.J. Green, for instance, or any number of other players that were out there. But I guess it just got sucked in a little bit by the name brand. What do you think of this group, Connie? All right. I like that you have Beckham and Jarvis Landry teaming back up again. That has to happen. It has to.

But, I mean, Beckham, I think that what he was able to do with the Rams, the fact that he was able to latch on with them and have the playoffs that he did, despite the outcome in the Super Bowl for him. look he increased his value he's going to latch on with a team obviously they have to wait because of the injury but i i honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ends up where um with julio jones's old quarterback matt ryan with the colts maybe um but i i love i love these wide receivers it's a good team sylva what do you think and i'm curious what you're for were when you did the same exercise yeah odell beckham julio jones jarvis lander and tonyo brown so the exact same four and then you mentioned a j green We've also got T.Y. Hilton, who I think could be effective as like a 20 to 30 percent snap player. And then Cole Beasley as our backup slot behind Jarvis Landry. All of a sudden, we've got some depth. We just barely missed on Sammy Watkins, who is somehow still only 28 years old. That's crazy.

Wait, really? Well, that's actually progress because he was 27 for 15 years. Exactly. And then Will Fuller, we barely missed on. Oh, yeah, years old as well. I couldn't disagree with you guys more on. on this wide receiver group. How is AJ, first of all, Beasley, you can't sign them

even as an option because the graybeards famously play a lot of their schedule in Canada. And so his vaccination status comes into play there. It's an issue up there. It's like the 76ers. The Toronto Greybeards. It's a trouble. It's troubling. How is A.J. Green not on this team.

AJ Green got 860 yards last year going deep. He's a vertical receiver. We're bringing him to camp, all right? He's going to compete. No. And I don't want Antonio Brown on my team. And if you add up Julio Jones and O'Dell Beckham's like production last year, it adds up to like A.J. Green. I mean, this is a man that was out there producing a future Hall of Fame.

He was, he was, he made some big plays. And you're not going to get a lot of verticality on the graybeards. And A.J. Green can go down the field. I don't want Antonio Brown. That's my thing, though. All right. And that's great. But you know who did want Tonyo Brown?

Antonio Brown on his team, Tom Brady. So I think I'm going to go with the goat's opinion. Not anymore. I mean, not anymore. I do trust Antonio Brown as a deep. He's a very versatile receiver, Antonio Brown. But I trust him more as a deep threat than A.J. Green or Julio Jones at this state. You don't think that the Antonio Brown situation with Bruce Ariens kind of played at least a small role in the Tom Brady saga?

What? The coach had absolutely no control over his player. I don't think Tom Brady has any love or respect for Antonio. was looking at this point never wanted Antonio Brown there he actually said that publicly and then he was looking for a reason I mean I think Antonio Brown was hurt you know I mean he didn't practice all that week uh and so I don't think it was like some phantom no I think it was probably the like giving up in the middle of the game and then sending a bunch of Instagram posts that Tom Brady was a fake funny I don't want to be the guy who's defending Antonio Brown but I think that it may have played a little bit

more of a role. I got to say Julio, just pure player, pure skill level of what we saw, he might be the guy that would get the boot. I was going to ask you that if you would swap. But I don't want Antonio Brown on the team anymore. All right. Let's finish off the offense. Then we'll take a break and hit the defense.

Tight ends, Grunk and Jared Cook. And I love this combo. Gronk, you know, he's saying he's not ready to commit about playing another season of football, but we know what he's doing here. He just doesn't want to be involved with boring, I'd rather play for the graybeards. Rather play with the graybeards. And Jared Cook, Evan, he remains a compelling target

who can get into a playmaker's groove every once in a while. Yeah, these are the same two tight ends that I ended up with. He just missed on Eric Ebron, who would have given us some depth, but he just turned 29. One of these guys that has been around forever and, you know, is still really young. I think Cook is good to have on your team.

You know, you're in a red zone situation. You're looking for someone that can just like drop a perfectly placed Gino Smith pass or maybe or maybe have like an illegal procedure on a great play to one of your wide receivers. That's Jared Cook in a big spot. That man has had moments. Check out that playoff game. How many games do the graybeards have to play? Oh, we're playing a full schedule. It's a full like 17.

17 games. Oh, so you don't. Okay. Why? You don't cut them any breaks at all just, you know, because of their age. Yeah. That's that's inappropriate. appropriate. Offensive line. I got Dwayne Brown on the left side at the left tackle blindside

spot. Quentin Spahn, a cast off of Cincinnati, Matt Paradise at center, Daryl Williams at right guard, Eric Fisher at right tackle. I think this is another all-time best positional group for the graybeards. Evan, I don't think this is, you know, a group of all pros, but a bunch of steady guys and Dwayne Brown, who has a resume to be all pro. You know, and also J.C. Treader is still out there at center. And Riley Reef is still out there at right tackle. I know this probably sounds like hyperbole, but I think that if we get with these seven guys or so that we've named,

it could be better than some of the offensive lines in the actual NFL. There's no question this is better than the Panthers offensive line right now, by far. That is so sad. I mean, parent center, yeah, maybe bring in Treader. What do you think, Dan, though, Treader, NFLPA president, pushing, you know, he's pushing for a lot of players to ask for guaranteed. Are you a little worried about what he might bring in for players' rights? Are you a player-friendly owner of the group?

Well, I don't approve of locker room lawyers, if that's what you're... I think he would be the definition of it. But at the same time, I value him. He's an educated guy. He's obviously well-educated on these issues. So I like bringing in people that have different thoughts. This team is very, very open-minded. on a lot of levels. Let's take a break, hit the defense.

What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow.

We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero.

We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael Florio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies.

Whether you're a rookie manager, or a fantasy vet. We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more.

All right, here we go. Let's hit the edge. Melvin Ingram, Justin, Houston, Jerry Hughes, JPP. Here is a stat, Gregie, that really jumps out to me. I know we talked about how JPP disappeared down the stretch. But this guy was a Super Bowl champion and a huge part of that winning team. He ranked dead last among 108 qualified edge rushers, according to PFF last year.

Dead last. Whoa. I'm giving him the old fresh start reset button with the gray beards, but I cannot ignore that stand either. Yeah, he'd probably be the one. The other three great picks for the gray beards, Ingram, Houston Hughes. Those guys are in, we're in my top 101. A couple of them in my top 50, still.

out there. I think I would replace JPP. Everson Griffin, maybe. Still out there? What you think, Selva? Throw him in there. Mario Addison, good locker room guy. We know Mark has the relationship with him from Germany. Carlos Dunlap? Yeah, that's a good one. No shortage. No shortage of options here.

We did lose, as you mentioned, Callais Campbell, and it looks like we're about to lose Melvin Ingram potentially to the dolphins. But, I mean, look, there's a reason that all these guys are out there and it's because of their age and their production has been waning I'm not too optimistic

about this D-line. Dan doesn't like to hear this. A lot of big names but not a lot of recent production. Well, if I can get a few more guys you know, rotationally here, maybe we can get we have to play this right. The days of Jason Pierre Paul playing 90% of the snaps

we got to we got to max that way. We got to minimalize that. That can't happen anymore. I feel like though you're hitting on like an inefficiency in the NFL market here. I mean, Justin Houston has, and Hughes now would, I would throw into this mix. Yeah, but these guys have all been on like a steady

time. They keep signing one year deals and they're worth a lot. They end up playing better than a lot of these young guys who get the big contract. Evan's not sold still. I think that when we get to the interior defense of my, Akeem Hicks is a guy that can still play and he's in a, but he's been hurt a lot

but he can still play. I just, I don't know about Justin Houston. Even Pierre Paul, I mean, his production was way down. Domicant Sue is kind of the poster boy of what I'm talking about. You can't tell me that he hasn't been one of the best values in the NFL the last couple years. I like our interior defensive line.

I'm worried about the edge. Yeah. You're worried about the edge. Yeah. On my interior, Akeem Hicks, as we said, we got to replace Callias.

Callias. Callias. Kaleas. Lynn Vell Joseph and Domen Su, who by the way, also get to put on the cover of the media guide. That helps put some meat in the seats also, these name brands.

So that's good, too. Meet in the seats. Meet in the seats. Have they started off-season voluntary offsets? Oh, they've been working their asses off since February. Wow. AJ Johnson, Danta High Tower, Anthony Barr, my linebackers. Any thoughts on that group?

Connie, Silva. Silva, what do you think of them? I just pulled up this article. It's okay. Yeah, it's all right. It's not horrible. It's not embarrassing. I'll say that.

I got to say, it wasn't overly familiar with AJ Johnson's work before you brought it up. But he did start a lot of games over the last few years. Dante Hightower is a leader in the locker room, no doubt. Maybe he's looking

for a new challenge. Team captain? Who were your captains? Well, that's a good question. I feel like you have a lot of leadership. A.C. would have been. It's a lot of leadership. Yeah, AJ Johnson has a checker in history

but got into the league and got started late. But was a starter for Vic Fagio last year before. It's reminding me, West. West liked him back in 2019 on that Broncos team. He used to be like a diamond in the rough type guy. Here's my secondary.

And this is very interesting too because cornerback, Greg, you know, has long been an Achilles heel of the gray beards because forget about running back. You got these old corners that are just getting roasted. It's not good. But now we have Stefan Gilmore who you put him in man coverage on the outside, put him on an island, let him do his thing. Don't get overcomplicate it.

Put him in the right scheme. And we will. he's a lockdown number one to me Stephen Nelson he's an undersized grinder on the opposite side he'll take care of business Bryce Callahan put him in the slot I'm feeling good about that

and then you rounded out with Jack Rabbit Jenkins and Joe Hayden is a veteran presence there I feel really good about the corners and I've never been able to say that before I think we're going to be able to mask our up front pass rush bereftness with our coverage ability

on the back end I mean Stefan Gilmore somehow made the Pro Bowl playing in only nine games last year. He was playing 30 snaps a game until the last couple of weeks. He was good. He was good when he played. He was good, but he literally only played like 30 snaps a game for seven games.

They put him in the pro bowl. I mean, they had a bunch of young dudes that they had there, too, that they wanted to mix in, okay? But I think Stefan Gilmore can still play. Stephen Nelson is fine, you know. And I've always liked Bryce Callahan as a slot corner. It's just he can never stay healthy. I do not want to dig into our depth and have to rely on Jack Rabbit Jenkins.

You know, so these guys got to stay healthy. But I like how we're looking early in the year. Dan, you better watch out because Stephen Nelson, he reportedly visited the Texans. So you might be losing him. I won't because once a gray beard, oh, he's a gray beard. Oh. Once it goes live on the site, it's over. And you talked about on this pod.

It's interesting to see Dan as a GM start to adopt some NFL philosophies here, like the Ravens, maybe the dolphins in previous years, you know, building the defense back to front. This is, it's a strong secondary umbrella cut. You're going to have six guys out there every snap. This is a better secondary than some in the NFL. Thank you for noticing it. This is more corners than I've ever heard in the roster,

but I understand the way the league is going now. And this is, this is Tyron Matthew at safety. So you're telling me the gray beards here in the middle of April have Honeybadger and Steph Gilmore on the roster. Pinch me, Evan, pinch me. Yeah. Um, punch me.

No, I agree with you. Look, I like our back end. Evan, you don't actually have to pinch him. It's an expression. You're in Chicago. It's impossible. Even if you were here, he wouldn't expect you. Someone pinch me.

Rodney McLeod, our other safety, just signed with someone. Well, not before this article went live. No problem. Always a gray beard. Finally, special team, Sam Fiking. and that's a dart throw. I wish I could put C-Bass in there. But Cloud is with the Colts.

We should just put that out there. People should be aware of that. And Thomas Morsted is my punter. I believe he's been on the graybeards for like eight straight years. And he just signed a contract with the Dolphins. But it is what is. Coaching staff, Mike Zimmer.

Get in that big chair. You deserve it. And I like his style. He's graybeards all the way, age 65. Peyton Manning got on the horn and called the old Zusser and said, hey, this Adam Gase. You want to give him another. shot. No, no, no, no, no. And I did not want to let the sheriff down. Listen, you know,

I got to put my foot down here, man. We're not doing this. All right, consignly area. We're not doing this. Adam Gase. No, no, no, no. Well, Peyton said that he's misunderstood and deserves a new chance with a new roster. You don't think so. That's Peyton being nice. Okay, what do you does he mean? Does he really care? As our offensive coordinator? Oh, okay. I'll get on the horn with him. Vic Fangio at D.C. I love it. And then I always have Mike Westoff as my special teams coordinator, always, 74 years young. I think you could have a repeat of when the Houston Oilers coaches fought on the sideline, what was a Gilbride and Buddy Ryan.

Fongio and Zimmer both trying to run the defense. At some point, someone's thrown a punch. I love it. And think about you feed Zimmer a couple beers on the team playing, the Kirk Cousin stories that you're going to get. oh he's got a lot to tell final evaluation like i said i have him a 10 and 7 we're going to the dance and uh that's putting a lot of faith obviously in ryan fitzpatrick coming back from this hip injury but i just think it's a really solid roster and i again as i always say and west used to be

brutally honest and i was happy that he was he would hit me with two and 14s one and 15s very on the reg i want everyone's 17 game evaluation starting with you gregg great All right. I'm going to go 4 and 13. Oh, you're a d- I think that's higher than... That 4 and 13? Than most years.

Maybe we'll go 5 and 12. I think, as always, injury... Don't be peer pressure. Injuries are... No, 4 to 5. I think injuries are always a concern. I think you're very slow at the linebacker position

the front 7. I love Gino. We know that. Building an offense... We understand. Building an offense around Gino throwing the ball 40 times a game, it's going to have its ups and downs for sure.

All right, Connie. Okay, Greg. Thank you for your honesty. I appreciate it. I'm going to go as... I apologize for my outburst. Go ahead, Colleen. I'm sorry that I think that the graybeards

are going to have a losing record. But they're going to go 8 and 9. It's respectable. I can live with 8 and 9. That would be the greatest graybeards record ever, I believe. Wow. Should we have Erica check?

Yeah, Ricky, can you check a pro football reference? I don't think anyone's even projected you to win eight games until you did 10 this season. So I think it's a record. All right. Evan, break the tie. I have one guy. Well,

I got one guy saying it's a great team. It's me or a good team. Greg says they're going to be brutal. No, I mean, you won't even be the worst team in the league. You're drafting like four. Well,

four and 13 is top five draft back. Yeah, you'll be top five. Okay. And Connie's got me in the middle of the pack, but on the outside looking in. Maybe I'm giving you an extra win. That was five and 12.

Okay. Where do you come down, Mr. Silva? Well, you know, eight and nine in a league where almost half the damn teams make the playoffs. Like, we could sneak in. Back door. Love it. Put us in the weakest division. We got a shot.

But I think the sports books would set our over under win total at like four and a half. Maybe five. Maybe five. And I would absolutely take the over. And it sounds like we would all take the over. Bang me over. Well, Greg would sit it out. I like the over.

It's not the same. smart play yeah i think Vegas had it nailed they usually do uh four four and a half seems about right and you should and this this affects you grave digger behind the glass uh we will we are in Toronto this year we're the Toronto grey beards

and we are in the AFC South little geography lesson there not great but that's the way it is and we have replaced the Texans because you know who's going to complain well yeah as Greg said what's the point yeah what's the point Evan you've said it all I mean it's a tradition like

no other my roster consigliary and you've said it all and you can sing some too if you would like no no no no no no i'm not doing that uh check out evan on twitter at i believe it's evan silver right you got that unlock how do you do you feel guilty for helping to make like adam levitton uh obscenely wealthy and in and talking about it a lot you say guilty you know this is the monster you've helped create, Evan. Oh. I don't even know how to respond to that. But thanks so much for having me on the show, you guys, every year.

And hopefully you'll bring me back for the fantasy extravaganza. You know, you know you will get the invite. We need the big fish. And notice how he did not, he didn't deny that Leviton is very wealthy now. Oh, no, he tweets about it. You know, he's running the game, you know. And guess who runs that site with Leviton? That's what I'm saying.

So that must mean Silva. himself is now extremely wealthy. Look at you. So what is your net income right now at Evan? All right. Thanks again so much, Guy. You're not going to become like a crypto, NFT, bro, like Adam, though, because I like Adam so much, but I'm concerned.

I'm concerned. Okay. All right. You know, I'm worried about that, too. I'm worried about that too when it comes to him. All right. There he goes, Evan Silva. It's very important that we keep an eye on the business side of things in our industry.

And based on that. This is Dan, the owner talking of the grayboards right now. right and if those guys are raking in the cash that's something we need to be plugged in on just put it like that I get it all right that was good now Colleen I think I'm trying to think the best way to do this I think what we should do is we're going to stop down for just a couple seconds and I'm going to ask you or tell you where to actually jump in because it was a failure to communicate or I think we do it live right now and like SNL style I just try and follow No, we have to get this.

That's what we did the first time. All right. And I think should we get Greg in the mix? Yes. No. Greg, you have to do it. Yeah, you got to do what. You got to sing.

Okay, we're going to take a quick break here and going to come back. Okay. And we're going to get it right. We're going to knock out of the park and that will be our sign off for the app. Okay, here we go. Graybeards, take two. All right. Graybeards, we're going to save the day.

Ricky, you can get in, too. Graybeards, just give us one last. just give us one last say we're here today gone tomorrow will you watch or follow age don't mean I cannot play

you will see me lead the way Oh. It's okay. Gray beards never go away. Gray beards never go away. That's much better. We're getting there.

I just got to work on the actual words. I had three words to say. I messed that up too. But I got two out of three writing. And also they're next year. There's always next year. That's right. Thank you everybody for listening.

Greg, I didn't hear any of your backing box there. I never jumped in. Humble brag, my directing just now, and I'm like, take Colleen full, take Dan. Go to our Instagram, guys. You have to see it. Check it out on the gram over 20K strong.

We'll be back on Thursday. Check it out. We'll be hitting the drafts and hopefully have a good draft guest. And then the Friday show is back. Thank you to everybody. And also, if you have, how about this, if any musicians out there, send in your version of the graybeard's theme,

and maybe we'll use it down the line. Maybe next year. That's it. Until Thursday, heat the call. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices

construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it.

Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael Fiorio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your

fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL fantasy football podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet, we've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL fantasy football podcast on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL, visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. This is an IHeart podcast. Thank you.