NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Greatest NFL Feuds

Episode Date: June 6, 2017

A room filled with some heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, & Colleen Wolfe – discuss all the latest news from around the NFL including the Jets cutting David Harris, the Chiefs releasing Jeremy Maclin, and Dennis Pitta re-injuring his hip. The heroes also preview the Miko Grimes vs Gregg Rosenthal twitter beef before diving into their favorite NFL feuds from over the years.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is all about Chris Wesley. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesleying, and Connie Fox. What up, people. Hey, Dan. there we go

Wes nodded his head by the way to that money intro and by the way congratulations to money yeah who was announced officially by the LA Chargers that he is the voice I guess the radio voice of the Chargers

and it was called I believe by Money himself a once in a lifetime opportunity and that is a major major gig to book in this industry to be the voice of an NFL team

it's like top of the ladder stuff so hearty congratulations to money and i think he'll be absolutely amazing at it because he has done hundreds upon hundreds of college football games oh he'll be great done pro you know he's done he just does he does every type of sport he's a total pro he's money he nailed it sully he told me a story once because i did this that announcer's article last year the first time he ever did a basketball, I think it was a Lakers game, that the long-time Lakers announcer came in, and he's like, he thought it was a TV game. TV is obviously, it's easier, you don't have to describe the action the same way.

Especially in basketball. Right, and so this veteran came into the booth and said, hey man, so this is radio, right? No, he's basically, money was like, money, he's like, you're doing TV, right? And money was like, well, I'm a little nervous, no, it's radio. He goes, oh, you are, and just walked out, and money had to just deal with the game from that. He did fine, though, obviously. He's obviously quite talented. Well, I would say that this is only going to help the Chargers' chances of becoming the team of ATL.

It's possible. Great point. It's a possibility for sure. And let's just hope he can continue to do the money tags because that would be. You think he's getting too big now? Maybe. He might be hitting that territory now. Nah.

I don't think we have any reason to fear. Can you imagine having to follow that voice if you're the next person trying to do that job for us? Yeah, there is no following it. It would be like Brian Greasy trying to take over for John Elway. Big, so much to talk about today on the around the NFL podcast. So much to get to. Yesterday, we were at what is termed the NFL Media Summit. Yeah, we were.

Yeah, we were. Which I saw it Mark as a sign of progress. The entire ATN crew was invited. Mark and I were the only ones able to attend. So we were there. We got to be, you know, a little behind the curtain. This old hat for Connie Fox. You've been to many of these.

No, this was actually my first. Your first as well. I couldn't attend one two years ago and last year's was canceled. Right. So what were your thoughts, Mark, on the NFL Media Summit? I really, I honestly thought that it was very enjoyable. The session itself, the actual work business side of it learned a lot, but it was long. I will give it that.

I think most people would agree with me that it was of certain length. How many hours was it? Nine? It was nine to six and then a dinner that essentially went six to eleven. I mean, I didn't eat any dinner, but there was an open bar and I do remember partaking of that. Yeah, there was, yeah, there was an open bar. And that was fun. And maybe we'll share some exclusive footage at some point during the week that at this point has not really been released to masses.

But Colleen did some great photography work later in the night. Of course. That's a little bit of a tease. It's embargoed right now. I always find out about this stuff about 12 hours later. It's just shocking to me. Yes. And if you're a listener of the show, regular listener,

you know this is all kind of pointing towards a Mark Sessler moment that was captured on video, as often happens when we have a get-together as they get boozy. It's my favorite thing. I mean, I honestly went into yesterday saying that will not happen this time. And it did. Big show today. I'm watching it right now, just laughing.

it's it's pretty special it's pretty special uh we have so much to get to we need to go through the news we haven't been with you since thursday so we will go through all the latest uh happenings in the NFL uh including more dire news if you're a jets fan hoping for a somewhat competitive season we will also talk a little bit about what happened with uh Greg Rosenthal who is not with us he's in And don't let him tell you otherwise. Greg is in Martha's Vineyard. Oh, I thought something bad happened. It's not unlike the wrong side of the tracks in Massachusetts like he tries to spin that one.

He is in Martha's Vineyard on vacation and we miss him and we're looking forward to his return. But right before he left, he found himself in the middle of a major beef, tweefe, Twitter beef. Frankly, I was worried about him because I didn't know he was going on vacation and then just he just vanished. Hope he made it there. So we'll get into that. And then that will spin nicely until we'll have a little discussion on our favorite NFL feuds through the years. And we'll circle back to the NFL Media Summit, some takeaways. But before we do any of that, we'll say hi to the man behind the glass.

He's already dropped one of the great lines of the history of the show. Oh, dear. So at this point, there's nowhere to go but down. But there he is. Sean Sullivan, we call him Sully. What's up, bud? Not the much, guys. And gals, how we're doing today?

We're doing great. Great. Gals. Gow. Just one. Just one. Thank you. Yep.

Let's do some news. Let's go to eat a goddamn snack. You know, I don't know if you guys saw that, of course, Rex Ryan, his famous line on Hard Knocks all those years ago. Rex and Rob were videotaped getting into a fight in Tennessee. Yes. Yeah, it was a head of a National Predators game, which all the raids are tied in the NHL finals right now, 2-2 with the Penguins.

And Rex and Rob, who are, I guess Rex is employed with the SBN. Rob is floating. I think it just hangs out with Rex now. Pretty much, yeah. They got into some type of pushing match that I'm sure you could find if you do a simple Google search. And then there was a report in a couple places. I saw it in Deadspin about how Rex, you know,

infamously has a likes feet he's got likes feet and he would why are you looking at me when you say that well you know mommy likes feet I don't know maybe mommy likes feet I don't know weird it's so weird well he likes women's feet so maybe that's why I did look at you

I don't know all right no that's fair I'm not a foot guy so don't get like creeped out like that it is the strangest thing very awkward very awkward couple of moments on the show here yeah I never I never understood this, but Rex is an admitted guy into feet, and he made some type of comment allegedly to a girl there. Oh, no. And Connor Orr put it well, we, you know, we were commiserating about it because we're both Rex Ryan fans. And, yeah, I hope that's not true, because I always thought that Rex was a good dude. He's a little above being a creepy,

older guy at the bar. Are you sure? Telling young girl about feet. I actually knew. I thought he was a little. He may or may not have crashed to Bachelorette party is what the story is. That's the story. I don't think that the Ryan brothers are above much of anything. Maybe not. Maybe not. But anyway, yes, the former coach of the Jets is off gallivanting. The Jets that he left behind are flaming. Let's be honest.

Let's be honest. Yeah? Let's let this crash play out. We're going to let it play out for the entire season. Audible sound of a woman screaming there at one point. The team, which obviously is in a full-on rebuild, took another step in that direction on Tuesday. In a surprise move, however,

they released veteran linebacker David Harris, who was a every-game starter since being a second-round pick out of Michigan in 2007. He's missed just one game in eight years, 33 years old. The quarterback of that defense, the middle linebacker, and the team cut him. And, of course, in true Jets fashion,

it was done in a way that is easily criticized and fairly criticized. David Harris practiced today with the Jets. He was with the first team defense and they're working in their nickel package. And then he comes off the field and he finds out he's cut. It's been one hell of a practice. Oh, my God. And it led to the. agents for David Harris speaking out that that's not you know any way to treat one of the

shining sons of the organization in the last decade which is totally fair after practice Todd Bulls showed up about 10 minutes late to his press conference and said that it was a quote organizational decision after the team's attempt to negotiate a contract reduction broke down so Harris the team's leading tackler now gone to Mario Davis who was picked up in that trade with the Browns last week, I guess, becomes their starting linebacker. And I'll tell you what, I was looking at this. The Jets have cut almost every notable veteran from last season's roster. Derel Rivas, I'll just name five of them here.

Dorel Rivas, Nick Mangold, Brandon Marshall, who's traded, David Harris, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. You could make a case that those were the five most important players on the roster this time last year. whoa this is going to be rough this is going to be a rough year hang in there juts are you okay just imagine if they were rebuilding oh they are rebuilding and it's not what that coach told us i mean this is a situation it's like getting ugly too the fact that they they have this guy out there practicing and then they cut them right afterwards no there was a bad look it was a bad look and they shouldn't have done that uh they've cleared 50 million in cap space so they're it's all

pointing towards completely trying to rebuild the machine here. And the bummer to me is, and I think about we might have to get Keith on at some point this week, my dad, because a jet fan like me, I could medicate myself with the knowledge of, all right, you're not going to,

we're going to win the Super Bowl this year anyway. Tom Brady's still around. You have a, this is a good time to rebuild. Maybe if you do suck enough, you get the first pick next year or a top three pick, and you could really start a real rebuild so I can punt on this season

but then there's jet fans like my dad who just they like to watch their favorite team on Sundays in the fall and winter and just want to see a competitive team out there and I just don't see any way the Jets are competitive in games let alone winning games they have the worst roster in the league

it looks like and my final comment on this is this is the darkest time I think for this organization since 96 when they went one in 15 off a 3 and 13 under Rich Cotite. But back then, Bill Parcells came around. He rode in on a white horse and fixed the franchise

and really put them in the right direction for a long period even after he was gone. There is no white horse riding in. So it's a time of great anxiety for Jet fans, myself included. The one thing I would say is that if you're going to commit to a rebuild, the worst thing that bad teams do is you only go 70% of the way. You only clear certain cap room. You still keep certain players around because you want to sell tickets to a 4 and 12 season.

They do seem very committed to getting rid of every possible asset, cutting as much cap room, and truly starting from the ground floor. That also doesn't mean that the rebuild will be successful. That's the issue. So the Browns did last year. It's what they've done roughly 12 times. And you have to wonder how long the coach in the front office will be on the same page with this kind of a situation.

Because if you're Todd Bowles and you have a coaching staff to keep their mood up and their motivation up, this is a rough roadmap ahead for those men. I think it's the most blatant attempt to solve a long-running quarterback problem

that I've ever seen in the NFL. Yeah, the scam for Sam is on in a big way. And as much as I like, I'm on the same page as that, I feel for Keith Hanses' of the world. And I know that I don't get to enjoy football this season. And it's June, and it's just the way it is.

Moving on, Jeremy Macklin, the wide receiver for the Chiefs. Well, he used to be. The team made a surprise move on Friday releasing the veteran wide receiver. Alex Smith, the chief's quarterback, told the Kansas City star that he was shocked by the move. It also came 10 days after Andy Reid was at Jeremy McClain's wedding. So it all seemed like he was part of the future of this team, but apparently not. Chris Wessling, Macklin had a. a nice last season in Philly, blew out his knee, went to the Chiefs, had a big year.

Last year, it seemed like he came down to Earth. Was this a situation where they thought maybe he was on the other side of the hill? I think there's a couple of things going on here. He's paid like a number one receiver, yet his season high last year was 82 yards in a game. And at the same time, Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill were more consistent than him. And the Chiefs also have as much salary cap concern as any team in the league, especially going into 2018 and planning ahead. So I think the fact that he didn't play like a number one receiver

and they have salary cap issues. I don't know what the timing, I don't know, makes sense. But yeah, I think that's what's going on. It does raise the question, what is the state of the chiefs, a team that has the best record in the NFL regular season-wise for the past year and a half that you cut your best receiver? It couldn't have been an easy decision for Andy Reid,

who these two have a history going back to the Eagles in Philadelphia. They were together. Yeah, that's where Macklin was drafted. And as you said, that he was just at his wedding. But last year, he had that groin injury where he missed four games. And then also he lost a longtime friend who passed away. And so that also affected him, I think. But it's just, it couldn't have been an easy thing for Reed to do. But they have so many good young, talented pass catchers on that team. I mean, Macklin will find work very quickly. The bills are, he's visiting with the bills today. The Ravens, everyone right

away said makes sense and they're interested. The Browns are looking into him as well. So he'll find work very quick. I was a little out of pocket this week and I was in Paso Robles. Ooh, it was your anniversary, right? Happy anniversary. We're still doing it. It's happening.

That's good. So, you know, I left the laptop at home, which made the wife very happy and kind of stay it out of it. And I was curious, did we do an NFL.com do a Jeremy Macklin landing spots post? damn right we did well it didn't happen when i was here that's for sure i the minute i left work

thank you shook our boy third baseman on the shield softball team we'll get to the shield in a little bit moving on oh i hate going to the ravens nest with bad news but for the second straight show that's exactly what we have to do a day after a cornerback tavan young tore his ACL veteran tight end dennis pitta re-injured his hip in practice the team announced friday This was a brutal setback for Pitta, who, of course, had two dislocation of his hips in, I think, back-to-back years, came back last season and was really one of the best comeback stories in football, playing all 16 games, led the team with 86 catches, which was third among tight ends in the NFL. You thought he had put this hip issue in the rearview mirror, but now it's back, and there's a lot of talk that this is probably the end of the road for Dennis Pitta, a third time. injuring this hip. That's a bummer. It's a bummer, but you could also look at it the other way. An injury which everyone assumed would end his career. He came back and by my calculations,

he actually led all tight ends in receptions last year, posted career highs in receptions and receiving yards. A few years after everybody assumed his career was over, that's something that he can go out kind of on a positive note. I agree with you. I think if you look at like the way that Tony Romo and Jason Whitten had an amazing relationship on the field, friends off, it is pretty close with Flacko and Pitta. And he showed last year how big of a part of that offense he is. And the Ravens who, I think it's easy to assume because the Ravens have such a good reputation that they're probably going to bounce back, go 10 and 6, make the playoffs.

But you look at that passing game and what they have at wide receiver. They are deep at tight end, but they're not deep in the way where you've got another Pitta. And suddenly you look at the wide receiver group and it's like, what's happening on third down for this team? Yeah, I just read Mike Wallace is the only. player on the roster now to have caught more than 34 passes from last year warm up that leg Justin we're going to need seven to nine field goals per game per game Joe Flacco listen I don't think you're a fluco some people call you Joe Flucco I don't but you're are you trying that out on us you're merely okay let's be honest and what I need you to do is get your team inside the 45 yard line

between the 40 and the 45 and then let Justin handle the right. There's no way to motivate someone better. You love kickers. Like you have a problem. It's a big kicker off season for me. I'm very into kickers. When you label someone merely okay,

that should set them on their way. I am, I am, Sully. Nope. I'm way into kickers. Yep. Like how into kickers? Aguio. Oh, no.

Folk. Two men enter. One man. and lives. Kickers, baby. I can't believe one is going to die out there. I know. It seems a little extreme.

Wow. Just a bit. It's just a bit. Thanks, Mark. Colin Kaepernick, not dead, but his chances of playing with the Seahawks are. Hey, oh. Thank you.

Oh, you're welcome. The Seahawks added a veteran backup quarterback on Monday, but it was not Kaepernick after a lot. Ah, out of speculation, tying Colin Kaepernick to the Seahawks. They go out and sign Austin Davis, Mike Garifolo, who I haven't really had a chance to talk to Mike too much in my time in this industry of sport. But I did yesterday. I love him.

A great guy. Great guy. He was asking about U.S., and he was very interested in how you were doing. Nice of it. And we were talking about his first child on the way. Spoiler alert. I hope that he's announced that publicly because. now he has.

We might have to just bleep that whole thing out. Yeah, let's do that. Sorry, we're not sure we could talk about what we just talked about. Yeah, we're not sure. Anyway, moving on, he reported that Davis's deal with the Seahawks is for the veterans minimum with a $30,000 roster bonus if he makes the team. And Pete Carroll had this to say on Colin Kaepernick. He's a starter in this league.

I can't imagine that someone won't give him the chance to play. Colleen, you don't like that. I don't know. I just, I can't believe that he doesn't have a job yet. I mean, as a backup quarterback, he, especially with the Seahawks in Seattle, that offense would have been perfect for him to be the backup quarterback. I'm just surprised by it. Apparently not.

Like, do you think Austin Davis is better than Kaepernick? No, but I don't think that Mark Sanchez is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Broncos decided to sign Mark Sanchez. That's in Wes's Craw, by the way. It's absolutely in my crawl. Until we know what Colin Kaepernick, welcome to Wes's Crawl. What did I just definitely do? Until we know what his is asking price an expected role is,

I don't want to hear about blackballing. Ryan Fitzpatrick had it much worse than Kaepernick last year. Jay Cutler didn't get a visit with the Seahawks. Why is it only Cal and Kaepernick thinks BlackBowling? And he's certainly not. The Seahawks, I think there was genuine interest in sitting down and talking with him and exploring it, and they probably had Austin Davis on their shortlist too as another potential patch at your backup position.

So he's not, again, blackball needs, needs the, needs to be collusion between 32 teams, and that's not happening. Barry Bonds, that man got blackballed. Colin Cabinick, not so much. I mean, screenwriters in the, you know, the McCarthy era, that's blackballed. Thank you. Dan's just like trying out all of his bits on us right now. Barry Bonds led the major leagues and on-base percentage in his last season.

He hit like 30 home runs, and he was just sent away from baseball, halted at 762. Now, is Barry, listen, I'm talking baseball over here. But is Barry Bonds a great person? No. Did he, did everyone like him? No. But that's BlackBong. What about Torelloins Hall of Fame?

He'll get in, I think. That's fair. Kappanik, much like Barry Bonds, does not have the greatest reputation as a teammate either. Way before his protest. Wes, first of all, again, I love having you here, Wes. And I'm so happy that you're here. I want to give you a chance at a mulligan here by doing this next. This next news item on Vikings coach, Mike Zimmer, who's returning to work after a hiatus.

This was on you, not on West. Nice truck. What happened? No, not on me. This was a West situation. This was. Do you have another hot take on Zimmer's eye, Dan? Yeah, Zimmer turned 61 on Monday.

He's going back to work. The Vikings announced Zimmer has been cleared to return after an eighth eye surgery. He's missed workouts the past two weeks. This has been a long, long. running issue and I just want to say because maybe yes maybe some things I said were misconstrued as well I'm very happy that Mike's back on the field seems like a good dude and you know now it's Wes's turn a little mea culprit for Chris Wesleying for some of the things he said about Mike Zimmer I am happy that Mike Zimmer is back I hope his eye is doing well and that he will have full

sight in both eyes for the rest of his life I missed I missed whatever show this occurred on I am going to have to go back and find out what happened here. We sat after the podcast and we're like, I don't know. Should we cut that out? What do you think? It's like, did we go too hard after Mike Zimmer's eye problem? That was the conversation that happened last week. Unbelievable.

We'll do it here because class acts all over the table right now. Moving on. Reprehensible. Eli. We'll send that video out right now, Mark, if you don't shape up. Okay. You guys have made good decisions all along. By the way, Eli Apple, wow, he has bulked up, 10-pound healthy bulk up after cutting out fatty foods from his diet,

fatty foods that were cooked by wait a second. How did he do this? You know what? Even as I'm reading this, I hate this story. Mito Powers activated. Mito Powers activated. Stupid. I ain't doing that one.

Vito next. Love it. What a great addition to the show. We're moving. Oh, guess what's back, baby? What? Kickers, Coyo. Well, it's Monday night and we're ready to strike.

What is this? No. We're coming by air and on the ground. Monday night football's taking over the town. We got to get ready. We got to get right. It's going to be a battle in the NFL tonight. All right.

Hank Williams Jr. was the longtime musical voice of Monday Night Football with his song. All my rowdy friends are here on Monday night and the famous catchphrase, Are You Ready for Some Football? Anyway, six years ago, they dropped Hank after he made some remarks about President Barack Obama.

Does anybody remember those remarks? Yes. What were they? Compared Barack Obama to Hitler. Yes. As Barack Obama was golfing with John Bain. Very good. Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli prime minister.

That caused ESPN to get away. But these are strange times in the world. No longer is that that big an issue. So Hank Williams is bad. I mean, I still think it's pretty big of an issue. Hey, ask ESPN. They seem to be okay with it. I'm annoyed at everybody.

Talk about sticking in my crawl. Why is now the right time for this? ESPN. I'll tell you why now is the right time. because ESPN has come under heavy criticism from the propagandist right side of the political spectrum. They are, in some cases, boycotting ESPN for being so liberal. So in Donald Trump's America, they think they can appease the right by bringing Hank Williams back. And it's a blatant, blatant, you know, cowtow to a propagandist portion of the United States.

I can't get into this. Chris Wessling has hit an analytical grand slam there. How incisive. That is absolutely why they did this. Is anybody talking about that? I don't know. It's just, I mean, I think it's pretty easy to see through. You kind of connect those dots.

I mean. Did anybody, that's the other thing about the Hank Williams Jr. song? And let's not go crazy. I mean, do we have Priyanka, by the way, on the board still? Which I love. I mean, we love Priyanka, obviously. The Priyanka song I love. Yes.

I'm Rob Grankowski and welcome to my city. Okay. Well, let's be honest This is such a Sessler too I can get behind this What happened to this? It's a much better song What happened?

Dessler dance I'll go play this at the cozy I It's danceable And you know You could theme it towards every team That was hosting the game Come on

Put it this way I feel like we're moving backwards Like in time I was gonna say We are Put it this way To like the 17th century Yeah

I like that Priyanka song ironically. I mean, it's a bad song. Objective. It's just not a good song. And the Faith Hill song is bad and the Pink song before it and the Hank Williams Jr. song is bad. There's a lot of good songs in the world.

What part are we going to all like start landing on some good football telecast? Thank you for acknowledging that the Faith Hill song is a mess. Great performance, though, by Faith and of course, Carrie. The Carrie Underwood is on my power rankings. Is that the very, well, it's just a, above this Hank Williams song, which the only thing I like about it

is it harks back to a time when my team actually was on Monday night football. A long, long time. The 80s? Yes. It's been about that long. All right. That's what's happening in the news.

Let's circle back to that media summit. And we can't talk about everything that happened because it is, by its nature, it's supposed to be kind of a closed-door look at both the direction of the company, what's doing well, what's not. in some cases a stage to air grievances and share feelings about how to improve the operation here. So the shadow, I mean, the shadow league figures are a little bit, well, not a little bit, a lot off the grid when it comes to our podcast.

But we don't want to risk spilling secrets here. So we're going to be careful. But what we can say, unless Mike is involved. Yeah, unless Mike's involved. What we can say, please, Sully, remind me after the show to shoot Garifolo a deal. DM and make sure that it's it's okay to reveal knowledge. Yes. Yeah.

Anyway. Otherwise, you're going to have a lot of editing work to do. But we can share that the great Al Riveron, who has stepped into a much more prominent role at the NFL now. He's got the top officiating job after Dean Blandino hit it and quit it, headed on to the greener pastures. What? I wasn't looking at you.

No, I know. All right, continue. Dino took the money and ran over to Fox. And now Riveron, it was his term to take the podium. And it was a room. It was people like us, but then also all the players that that work for the NFL, Hall of Famers all over the place. We had a signed seating.

Assigned seating. Us and well-known people, basically. Yeah. And once out. Al Riveron got up there to explain the new rules and some new policies for officiating. That really juiced up all the players in attendance. And Mark, I think, and Colleen,

I think it's safe to say that Al more than held his own against these prominent legends of the sport. It was, for me, the most striking debut by anyone that's worked at this company that I've ever seen in my life. It was great. I thought many times I wish. Wait, what about Wes's first around the end?

F.L post back in 2012. Second to Chris Wesleyan. Second to Chris Wesleyan. But I thought many times I wish Wes was here because this is the guy you would have loved. You would have loved what was happening in the room because he had to go point by point through all the rule changes, which you think, this is going to be long and dull. And we had no idea who Al Riverin was. He showed up like a total commander, and he's taken on every player, is taken on William

McGuinness. He's taken on Steve Smith. Everyone's throwing fire at him. And he just... Marshall Falk, L.T. Sean O'Hara, nobody could stand up against Al Riveron. He basically said, sit down, baby. Be humble.

Be humble. One of my favorite exchanges of the whole thing. He goes, now let's talk about protecting receivers. And you hear from the crowd, oh, that's too late, man. Yeah, that was from Smith. It was fantastic. I was sitting. I happened to be in a very interesting cluster, me than nobody.

And then you had Terrell Davis behind me, Ladanian Thomas, excuse me, TD next to me, 12 LT behind me, Marshall Falk in front of me. Don't forget who else was in front of you. Mark Sessler. Yeah, I mean, that's, you know. And when they got to,

oh, now we're going to protect receivers, new rules to protect receivers on routes, the whole group. And then I was just like with him, like smoking in the boys room. Like, oh, yeah, don't worry about the running back, so. I was like, yeah, man. It's like, I looked at TD, like, for a little moment between us. No moment.

Okay. It was cool, though. It was very cool to be sitting there. I also heard somebody yell out. I just think that rules trash. So anyway, Mark, you, I know, and by the way, at some point, it got to a point it was like an old church in the South when Riveron would be taking care of all these legends. I just started going like, River!

Yeah. River! Like Rich Eisen's right behind me. I'm sure he was looking to me like, what's wrong with that guy? Dan and I were passing notes about him. Yeah. Oh, you guys were on the other side of him. of the room.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so, Mark, you also were smitten and you wanted to celebrate him in a way. This is my new favorite person in the league. And so I just wrote a statement about him and what I observed. So here we go. Al Riveron on Monday explained the earth to common men. Al Riveron left no doubt about his God-ordained authority. Al Riveron capably ran his personal computer from a fiery podium.

Al Riveron's skin is built of metal. Al Riveron's bones are made of white, hot gold from the center of the earth. Al Riveron sits for weeks on end in a silent room forming his master plan. Al Riveron doesn't tangle in political theory. He operates in cold, hard facts. Al Riveron doesn't waste his hours watching The Bachelorette season 14. Al Riveron doesn't concern himself with fashion. You will not mistake him for a clothes horse.

Al Riveron walks 33 miles into the woods and sits for days in solitude surrounded only by the sound of forest animals. Al Riveron is on the radar of the CIA. Al Riveron does not believe in squirrels. Al Riveron's concept of a vacation is walking to the junkyard and smashing old cars with a 50-pound hammer. Al Riveron is adored by children in every country. Al Riveron is taking control and will not let go. That seems to check out.

So he's actually an upgrade on Dean Blandy. I think he... Are you kidding me, Wes? This is not even the... He's what the NFL needed. Yeah. We needed Al Riveron? This is Al Riveron.

You ask me if I have a God complex? Let me tell you something. I am God. Al Riveron, baby. One last thing, when they, because when they'd had to bring Dean Blandino on to explain rules and stuff, that's part of that job.

And I don't know if he will necessarily have it, but he'll be perfect for it. All this hand-wringing over losing Dean Blanino because he's so perfect on TV. And we're saying that basically we have the guy made for the job right here. And I think the one thing, Mark, that you left out is, in addition to all of that. He left something out?

Yeah, one thing. I was going to, I was going to say the squirrel thing. But what he did, one thing you left out, not only did he slay all comers coming at the crown with his unsheathed his mighty blade and slayed all. Oh, my God. So he had the Xbox controller and nimbly operating it in his right hand. That's big. And Blandino, who was, let's face it, a revolutionary when it came to the Xbox controller, a trailblazer, River On said, I can do it too, baby.

Let's fly. And I can do it better. Two questions related to your clothes horse portion of this. Was that an indirect shot at Dean Blandino known to be a little meticulous about his appearance? No, not consciously. not consciously but he just had like a he just came and wearing it was like wear fancy jeans and a nice shirt and he just rolled in he was wearing whatever he's wearing and said i don't care what anyone thinks about me my other comment is my continued inability to get past the mental hurdle of attending these functions

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Before we get into our discussion of our favorite NFL feuds through the years, I want to touch on why we thought of that as an idea. And it all goes back to our fearless former leader, Greg Rosenthal, who got himself in a twief on Friday. A big one, in fact. and with none other than Miko Grimes. And it's a bummer because Greg obviously is on vacation so we can't talk to him about it.

But I think that we should at least touch on the Miko Grimes tweet. Should we hold off on going through all the tweets until Greg's back? I feel like we should. Yeah. Yeah, probably. You have to reference what she said, right? Yeah, basically at the heart of it was. one of Greg's pieces on the biggest weaknesses

of every NFC team. Greg made a little passing remark that last season, Miko, who's, of course, if you're aware, Miko, who by the way says she listens to this podcast, Miko had more headlines, the outspoken wife of Brent Grimes, had more...

Outspoken! Yeah, had garnered more headlines than her husband, and then all of a sudden, Grimes came back and had one of his best seasons last year. So he pointed out that Grimes is still, a impact player, but also pointed out that maybe at some point, if I'm reading this correctly, he seemed to be trending downward and Miko was taken center stage. She didn't like that.

She didn't like being referenced. Not enough respect put on her name, I think, is a way to play. That was the gist. She was not into Greg's name in the way it's spelled. And again, I think this is too good to do without Greg, but she then took him to task over the course of multiple tweets coming after him, insults galore saying it knows nothing about football and it did get me thinking the idea of how we need to fight back on this we can't take this laying down we have a plan can i start right now you can start go ahead speaking of things that stick in my crawl yet another la raviou

magnifico from one miko grimes who has been unhinged at times in her takes online and in locker rooms give me a break. And one thing I've learned on this job, when somebody's going to come out and criticize a person who works as hard as Greg and does his homework, there is far more ignorance

coming from the person criticizing Greg Rosenthal who watches as much film and does as much homework as anyone in the business, as anyone in the business. So Miko Grimes, you are showing your blatant ignorance

when you come out and you trash the work that Greg does, clean it up. Okay. That's fair. And speaking of fair, Greg, on a topic of Grimes, has been fair all along with Grimes. Absolutely. His analysis was not even really taking this guy down.

I think that it's, come on. Listen, this is the Around the NFL podcast. This is, you have to fight for the brotherhood here. West Gray points, I was thinking it would be a good idea, perhaps, because now we're in a legitimate beef. It's not just Greg. We're in this beef now with Nico. What about a little, like,

this track? And there's one person that can deliver a disc track that we know. We literally know one person who can deliver a dish track. Get your act together, bro. You're trash. I love her. We got her in our back pocket. And her name, of course, is Lil Debbie.

So we try to reach out. We did. Any luck mark. Well, we're very, very interested, as always, and being on the show. Couldn't get it done today's schedule-wise, but I promise you, she will be back. Okay, so what we're going to have, we want to talk a little

because if you know anything about Lil Debbie's career is that she is no amateur or she is not like a babe in the woods when it comes to beefs and people coming at her. No. We need to talk to me. What's the best way for Lil Debbie in her mind to

come back now at Grimes? Miss Grimes and maybe a disc track. So we're going to try to get her on the phone to figure it out. I can't wait for that. I've already blocked her. Really? I blocked her immediately when I first saw the first tweet at Greg.

I was like, this ignorant person does not need to be on my timeline. Well, she's definitely on the sonar. I'll tell you that. Yeah. And that's the number one reason she's not blocked because we've got to track what's going on right now. And lest anyone think that the Patriot missiles aren't being loaded up for a counter. Lest anyone think. Get your act together, bro.

She's a little frightening. Miko's a little frightening. I got cancer. What do I care? It's true. What's Miko going to do? We have a little Debbie. That's true.

Hopefully. Fingers crossed. Little Debbie is like our ace in the hole. By the way, and I think I mentioned this to Colleen last night at the gathering, there are still podcast listeners out there. Emphasis on Think. That I believe I did. I'm not sure.

But I believe this came up. There are still listeners out there that are convinced. that when Little Debbie came into the studio last August, that it was Colleen dressed up. It is a conspiracy theory out there that they are the same person. I love this conspiracy theory. I love it.

It's true. All right. So, and when Greg gets back and we get Lil Debbie on the phone, we will continue to figure out this counteroffensive that we have planned because this don't stand. No. I've never met her.

I would love to meet her. I hope she comes in. Little Debbie. Yeah. We've never been in the same room together. Oh, I thought you met Miko. Oh, God. No, no, I'm seriously frightened of her.

You should be. All right, here we go. Now, in the meantime, let's talk about our favorite NFL feuds. And there have been so many great feuds over the years. Well documented, of course. So why don't we go around the room here, Wes? Get us going. I know you're a man that likes a nice side of beef.

Well, I think any time you talk about great feuds in NFL history, It starts with Al Davis, who is the greatest feudor in sports history. Nobody feuds better than Al Davis. Legend. Starts out when he is elected president of the AFL during the AFL and NFL wars. The NFL's giant signed Peak Gogalak, Hungarian kicker credited with being the guy who popularized soccer-style kicking. There was a gentleman's agreement that these two leagues would not sign each other's players. The NFL signs Gogalak.

Al Davis immediately writes up a plan to target all of the. best quarterbacks in the NFL and have his AFL owners way over pay to steal these quarterbacks away. So that basically the merger happens because Al Davis's plan to sign away all the best quarterbacks. So that's how it starts. And then in the late 70s, early 80s, he sues for the right to move from Oakland to Los Angeles. And at the owner's meetings, this is my favorite NFL story of all the time, one of the

owners trains a parrot, stations this parrot out. He trains him to squawk you, Al Davis as they're walking into the building. No. Al Davis wins his lawsuit against the NFL. I believe there are treble damages awarded to him, and he is allowed to move to Los Angeles. And a year later, Pete Roselle has to hand him the Lombardi trophy because his Raiders won the Super Bowl. Al Davis feuds better than anyone. That's pretty good.

I mean, that's going to win every time. That's awesome. The parrot move was just phenomenal. I like to think it was like some card like Paul Brown. That's top of the list. The parrot move would, it just couldn't happen today. It wouldn't happen today. I don't even know if parrots anymore have that ability.

I feel like parrots slipped a little bit. Of course they did. I feel like parrots have lost a step. You think that an animal species over the course of a decade or two loses its main abilities? Hashtag gradual decline. Well, it's going as well as the other one. Show me one parrot that's impressed you in the last 20 years. There's a guy on my block that rides his bike with his shirt off and a parrot on his bike, and it talks.

It sounds like he's more impressive than the parrot to me. There's a trash-talking parrot in Venice Beach when you're walking down to go to Hanano and the whaler? Yes, I saw it the other day. Yeah. Bitter or didn't happen. It happened. To dance point, a very overrated animal. What?

They live forever and they speak. What do you want? I don't need it to. It can entrap you. It hears things. It repeats things. Exactly. It's always up to no good.

It's a stinky Davis of the animal kingdom. That's a hot take. No way. And we have enough people talking in the world. Do we need animals talking to? No. I might be coming over to your side on this one. It is the stinky Davis of the animal rule.

Oh, my God. Anyway, moving on. Emphasis on stinky too. My favorite feud. Well, I got to, I mean, how can you not talk about feuds and talk about Gino Smith versus IK and Polly? Oh, that's great. Who, I can't Polly, who I don't know if he's. I think he's a free agent now, actually.

But I just want not to belabor this story, because everybody knows it, that Impali knocked out, Gino Smith broke his jaw with a punch in the locker room at Jets camp a couple years ago. Does anyone remember, this will test people's short-term memory, why IK did it?

Oh, it was over a little bit of money. It was $600? He owed him money over the course of a season or something like that and hadn't paid back? The story, as legend goes, is that I.K. had asked Gino Smith to attend his football camp, I believe in Texas, and Gino gave him his word that he would go and then did a no-show at the camp. So I-K. was angry about the no-show. And then because he was angry, he said, oh, P.S., not only am I angry about the no-show, you owe me for the plane ticket and the transportation to and from the airport, which cost $600. $600. And when Gino was dismissive, Gino, I think, and if you could read the Teeleys of how the locker room operated and acted in the time after this, was kind of given him a little, like, you know, disrespect. I'm a starting quarterback. I don't care what you're saying to me.

Yeah, you are. And, yeah, and put it this way, he was never a starting quarterback again after he got punched in the jaw. My favorite feud, because it was, it was perfectly jets and outrageous for bringing out again. That was a great one. It was vintage Jets, and I.K. will live in infamy. I mean, I can't really blame him. I'd be pissed, too. Well, you don't punch a guy in the jaw in the locker room when he's the starting quarterback, and you're a undrafted linebacker.

It was a complete career suicide. You don't do it, but I can understand where he was coming from. Rex Ryan went and signed him to the bills because Rex wanted the headlines. That was tedious. I don't think anybody else will ever sign him. Such a cynic, Dan. Yeah, he also blew out his knee last year. But anyway, Mark, you got one?

I don't want to spend too much time on this, but it's a large issue. I'll go back to the old AFC Central. I know, Wes, you were at one point of Bengals fan, so you know this just as well as I do. Growing up a Browns fan when Marty Schottenheimer was their coach, pretty classy guy, not one who would run his mouth, but he was in a division with Jerry Glanville, who ran that Houston Oilers team in a way that got on a lot

people sonar, number one. And what I remember mostly was the Sam Weish, Jerry Glanville, the hatred between these guys. Because people remember Sam Weish getting on the mic against the Browns and yelling, you don't live in Cleveland, and that got that place right up. Jerry Glanville called Cleveland a rat hole. Cleveland never really mouthed off in return because they were kind of right about the city.

At that point was in big, big trouble. Lake was on fire. I mean, the Cuyahoga River was on fire. Little better now, but it's like, but I'll never forget. I thought the height of this feud, and you can tell me if you think it's a different one, but when the Cincinnati Bengals on December 17, 1989, whipped up on the Houston Oilers 61 to 7, and there are so many opportunities to put your foot on the break and show a little respect to the opponent, and they just kept dropping bombs on these guys.

61 to 7, Sam Weish runs up the score on purpose, does not apologize afterwards, tells the Oilers players, look, this is what happens when Jerry Glanville is your cousin. He's a classless fool. He never stops running his mouth. I'm tired of it. And you got beat down today because your coach is an idiot. He did get, he got that kind of reaction because people, if you loved him, you loved him. But if you didn't like him, he was the most obnoxious guy.

I could not stand him for my entire life. I talked to him on the phone for this Astrodome piece at the Super Bowl. And this guy likes to talk. I mean, I have a recording. It is 45 minutes long where he told me stories about how he used to like, there was some tree where they would hang things from. outside the Astrodome to look like a hanging person. So every coach and player coming in would know that that's going to be where they were going to be after playing the oil.

I mean, he was entertaining. When you look back on this guy, like he was a fascinating coach, but hugely annoying to deal with. Even people that didn't hate him, and this is always a giveaway with anybody. A couple giveaways when somebody is almost impossible to deal with and nobody really likes him. It's like, oh, what's, I think, I got to give a damn shit credit on this one. He's like, yeah, what's a deal with Jerry? Jerry's going to be Jerry. And also the other dead giveaway is when someone that does have loyalty to that person

but needs to find a way we're like grasping for straws on how to describe why they're actually a good person in spite of what you've seen and heard. It's like, I'll tell you one thing about Jerry. He'll give you the sure off his back if it's a last one. That's a code for he's probably a bad guy. Anything else with you got another feud? I have one Oh, you got one, Connie

Yeah, what do you got? What about my favorite was It's from the Eagles But Terrell Owens When he got into it With Hugh Douglas And the two of them I guess Tio was rehabbing

So he was in one of the tubs And my favorite version of the story Is when Brian Westbrook tells it Because he was in the training room When it happened So we watched the whole thing because you get like so many different iterations of the same story. But as Brian tells it, T.O. was in the tub, like icing up or whatever.

And Hugh comes in and they start jawing at each other. And I think Westbrook was in another tub. So like he couldn't get out. And all of a sudden, T.O. stands up and goes and gets his shoes to put his shoes on so he could have like some leverage. and then they just start throwing punches at each other in the training room in the middle of it all. Wow. And Tio walks out.

Did you see this or is this just the story? No, because it was a closed locker room. Tio walks out as the story goes and goes into the main locker room and then challenges anybody else that has a problem with him to take care of it right then and there. And most people viewed that as a direct challenge to Donovan McNabb, who was also in the locker room. Wow.

So right after that, he got like, Spended indefinitely and the whole thing. Trellone's not a Hall of Famer, by the way. And he's not upset about it. Point to why maybe he struggled to get people on the side. Seller, you have one? Yeah, I was going to bring up a question, too. My favorite current one right now is Odo Belcom versus Josh Norman.

Is there a better current feud? Oh, my God, that is the worst one, but it is awesome. Anytime Josh Norman talks, I'm just like, God, somebody shut this guy up. I love it. I love him. Not necessarily off the field, but on the field when they're basically swinging at each other. That was the rare fight December 2015, that regular season game between the Giants and Panthers. Now he's with the Redskins, of course, where neither guy came off well.

It was very clear. It got to a point where neither guy cared about the game on any level. And it had just become like a mono-e-mano situation. Only both guys just came off incredibly lame, in my opinion, at least. And I think a lot of people thought it was. went too far where it was just farce by the end of the game. And I have a little

prediction. I think that's going to come back this year. It was a little quiet last year. Yeah. I think 90% of the reason Josh Norman signed with the Redskins is because he could continue to have serve up slabs of beef with Des Bryant, with O'Dell Beckham. I mean, he said as much. Yeah.

And I have a feeling we're going to see another meltdown between Beckham and Norman before the season goes out and Wes's head will explode. I'm going to save all of my veto powers for Josh Norman 2017. That's good. That's good. Veto Powers activated. We talked about Al Davis being great at feuding.

Buddy Ryan is another one. Feuded with Mike Dicka almost his entire time running the 4-6 defense with the Bears and then famously punched Kevin Gilbride in the face on the sideline when they were both with the Oilers. Oh, my God. Yeah, when Buddy Ryan got carried off the field, Super Bowl 20, How do you think that sat with Dinka? Well, it's very clear it did not sit well with him at all.

And my favorite, I'll read a quote, my favorite quote in the midst of a massive feud. If that man was on fire and I had to piss to put him out, I wouldn't do it. I hate him and will never respect him. Anybody remember that one? Who's that? That's James Harrison on the commissioner, Rodney Cudell.

Oh, my God. That's strong. part of when they were fighting about illegal hits and the NFL's cracking down on players in an effort to begin their player safety initiative. And Harrison was at the focal point of that. That was an interview with Men's Journal in 2011. Interesting.

We don't have to go into it, but do we want to do a little list of the other ones that West had cycled up for both of us? Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones. Well, they could have. That dynasty could have gone many years longer, But by all reports, that feud was about who deserved credit for building the dynasty. And Jimmy always got the credit.

Jerry did not like it. I was in Australia for some random month, like six months off of school because I basically was done with college. And I did not want to go back. And was traveling around. I was in Sydney. And I saw this like international version of USA Today saying that Jerry Jones had fired Jimmy Johnson. And I was like, am I? Have I eaten a tab of acid?

this cannot possibly be real. Probably. Yeah, and one of those things where it worked out for neither guy. Jimmy Johnson went to Miami, never won anything. Jerry Jones hasn't been back to the Super Bowl since. How about this one, Marcus Vick versus everyone on Twitter? Oh, I love that one. Just awful at Twitter.

He's the worst. I think the reason we don't hear from him anymore is because he got so bad. Twitter was like, bro, you're overserved. You're done. Shut him down. I mean, like, every time Michael Vick started to do well even in Philadelphia, and play well, his brother would just start mouthing off on Twitter.

It was awful. How about Peyton Manning versus Mike Vanderjack? The Colts kicker. Oh, the idiot kicker. Oh, my God, that's right. Got all liquored up and ran his mouth. That was a comment made at the Pro Bowl, by the way. And I'll throw Belichick versus Manjini, of course, SpyGate.

And this came up recently. Rich Samini, he was my favorite beat writer for the Jets. He's a legend on that beat. and he interviewed Samini at a, excuse me, Mangini at a football camp recently about how he'd like, he hasn't spoken with Belichick, who he was very close with before, SpyGate, and he would like to mend fences on that front, but probably knows deep and as hard, it probably will never happen. And if you're looking to know if Belichick is forgiven Manjini, recently in a press conference, Belichick was just going through all the coaches and his past that,

went on to get head coaching jobs and he left Mancini out of the list. Oh, burn. Could be an oversight or could be the man is dead to him. Low key burn. Yeah. All right. Top feuds. And now Greg Rosenthal and Miko Grimes.

Top of the list. Top of the list with a bullet number one. We will be back on Thursday with another episode of the Around the NFL podcast. People are getting upset when they're not seeing podcasts on Monday. we you know we're doing two shows a week until we hit training camp and then once training camp hits we're back to three a week all through the end of July August September October November December is daddy ever coming home yeah that's when that begins so thank you Connie for joining us once again of course just so versatile a real BJ Sir Hoff wow how I look at you thank you yes PJ Serhoff, one of the biggest catching prospects of the 1980s. Yeah. Let's end a football podcast by going out on a low-level baseball reference.

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