NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - "I love him ...": Fascinating Players Of The 2024 NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Colleen Wolfe tell you which players from this year's NFL Draft class they find most fascinating. To start the show, the heroes react to Tom Brady leaving the door open for return (04:16), rumors around Brandon Aiyuk (11:55), Tee Higgins and Davante Adams weighing in on their futures (17:13) and contract extensions for DeVonta Smith and DeForest Buckner (20:09). After the break, the heroes profess their love for the future stars of the NFL (38:18). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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joined by heroes Mark Sessler Greg Rosenthal and of course and this is I shouldn't say of course because this is not typically when this person is with us

also there was quite a bit of concern about her whereabouts and they were given the state you know recent state of news around this individual an idea that may be forcibly taken off our last broadcast

but no she back Colleen Wolf Connie's the queen She is the queen of NFL media I never really thought about it before But that specific tune has like kind of some church hymn Fibs a bit

A little bit there It's like God just came in the studio Hey Well it's the queen I mean that is essentially saying every Other option to be the queen Is below you Below the queen

I also thought about your strategy Like over the weekend That you effectively came on And did an excellent Eight or Nine minutes of podcasting Left a message on your phone To tag at the end And it was like

That's she's still part of the cast Don't get any ideas Mark I see where you're going with it Just as valuable as anyone else And I think it was just an incredible strategy For multiple angles For Colleen in that particular situation It worked for the show

Yeah We made it work I know you got some ideas I was just provenating on the fact that it was effective. Thank you. Thank you so much. We made it work. But not a permanent solution for Colleen or anyone else.

Just thought about it from multiple angles. No action steps taking it. Thank you, Jason Zumball, by the way, reminding us football is back this week. 25 teams kicking off voluntary off-season workout. So I think it's basically having the Jets put out a nice image, slow motion of Aaron Rogers. No, that's just how he walks. Walking into the building and I think that just shows this.

Football is back. Save for like the 25% of players that are not showing up because of money issues and various grumblings. It's just like we're back here. We've got slow motion sunglasses Eric Rogers.

I like his hoodie though. Nice camo vibe. I feel like you just went through it all with the Jets a year ago. Kind of back in the same place and nothing happened during the real football season. Just the way it goes.

It is a bit of a cycle, the entire job in a way. is a cycle. It all begins anew. But football is not back. We already discussed that football is not back until after Thanksgiving. But if you really want to be serious about it, like next January, I would say. Weird.

Right. Yeah. All right. Coming up on today's show, I, you know, the draft is, let's see, the draft is a week from Thursday. So we have hit it from multiple angles of the past couple weeks. We're going to continue to it this week. We're going to have some guests involved with this show. though. We're going to kind of keep it in-house.

We're going to talk about the players that fascinated him. In fact, this segment is called... I love them. Fascinating players of the 2004 NFL draft. And let's make that the episode title as well. That's a good one, I think. Yeah. Put it in quotes.

Can I hear that again? I love them. Oh. So earnest. I think it's genuine. It is. Yeah. No, it felt authentic. That's from our Friday show.

And you were talking, of course, of Ladd McConkey I don't know if he's coming up today but we already know that I love him I will say one thing that I have personally tried to put in

more draft work than in some prior years Yeah I noticed that We already talk We already talk Ladd McConkey We already gave him that So it's like

Oh yeah There's a lot of other players To look at And that's what we're going to do More fish in the sea to hit We got to spread the love around Yeah Dessler's got his

Big old ocean of prospects out there For the Cess dog Entire C But before that, we do that, let's hit the news. Let's say one day there's a situation, right? Maybe it's the 49ers, maybe, you know, heading to the playoffs. Offense is great. Patriots could be.

Somebody. Rators could be, you never know. God forbid somebody goes down. Would you pick up that phone? I'm not opposed to it. I don't know if they're going to let me if I become an owner in the NFL team, but I don't know if, I don't know. I'm always going to be in good shape.

Always be able to throw the ball. So to come in for a little bit, like MJ, coming back. I don't know if they let me, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. That's from the, yeah. I'm unfamiliar with this show with a deep cut podcast with

Vic blends. Tom Brady in a barber chair with the whole the cloak on him and everything. I'd like to get a good look at Tom Brady's hair, by the way, and how that's how that's looking.

Well, that was mid-cut. It was definitely mid-cut right there, though. Yeah. Yeah. But as Mark and I have long held the theory that he had radical work done from the neck up,

if you look at, look at them on the teacups at Disneyland and 02 and take a look at him in the later years. Well, it's a theory, but I... Just the theory. One of our many cases where we've compiled evidence and facts and sourced various conversations over a decade plus and there's some trenchant eyewitness concepts about what may be happening. But the hair situation, I feel like, is fine now.

It is more accepted widely, I think, among people... Oh, about going down certain roads. If you're going to get plugs, it's like, I respect the guys that go completely bald and then they're like, nah, you know what? I'm going back. And like public figures that do it. You brought it up, so I'm going to... I love Tom Brady.

I don't know if Brady did that. I'm just saying. We don't know. I know people, someone directly in the show business, and he's everybody. Everybody does. Yeah. All the guys just about. Anyway, that's not the point. A couple things. First of all, he was

I don't know. There's a new bit of a Greg, you know Tom Brady's voice as well as anyone. A new kind of cadence, a little white boy flow there from Brady? The Travis Kelsey flow to the off the tongue felt maybe because he was in the barbershop or something. I think that was maybe more just he's with

a younger man who's looking hit. You're picking up on that too, right? There's a little bit of different cadence. I would like to hear it again, but I am curious about the consultants that are telling Tom Brady to go on this podcast. Like how do the quarterbacks shoot, like there's no way he knows this

podcast on his own. It's like a young not a Vic Glens guy necessarily. No, like someone is saying, we want to be hitting the younger demo, Vic Blends would be great. Yes. Like so he, so someone is getting paid to just tell him that information. That's a good job. Yeah. Good job by Vic

blends of a big spot. The person who's telling Aaron Rogers, he might be doing on his own. I feel like doing less of a good job. Like his, the podcast he chooses to pop up on our little I just, I continue to be awestruck by Tom Brady's intense desire to announce football games for Fox. And by the way, that was the first time I heard that,

I didn't think, I didn't take that seriously at all. I think that was a guy like having fun and, uh, that was a little bit of us, you know, sipping tea in the barbershop, joking around. Like, I didn't think, I didn't take that to me and he was serious about it. I agree. And yet, if someone had called them last year, I bet he would have done it. Like, I just don't think they want to call them. Wait a second.

He was preparing. for the broadcasting job last year. He was in the bunker, which I believe. I mean, the fact that he brought up MJ immediately that he's like, hey, maybe MJ on the Wizards, essentially, as he's talking about. It's like, all right. But he'll always be in good chase.

He's completely different than basketball. True. Let's get into other news. So maybe Tom Brady comes back, end of next year. Stranger things have happened. All right. Let's move into other news, starting with Rishi Rice,

who four days ago surrendered to police on an assault charge after a high-speed crash that went down on a Dallas highway last month that involved a half-dozen vehicles and Rice 23 years old and coming off a very promising rookie year with the Chiefs involved with the incident and now involved in a legal situation that could have ramifications obviously for him personally, also the Kansas City Chiefs, and in the realm of the Chiefs Kingdom connected to this. The Chief to expect this was a report. report earlier today. Expect wide receiver

Rishi Rice to participate as they began their off season program Monday with virtual meetings. Andy Reid said Reid kind of didn't get into specifics on Rice's situation.

He said, well, just see where everything goes from there referring to the law enforcement investigation. Let the process take place. So Greg's, this sets up, obviously terrible situation.

We remembered what the terrible car accident. Henry Ruggs was involved in in Vegas, so this brings back memories of that and Rice very nearly being involved allegedly with something that could have had similarly

similarly terrible outcome. So we'll see what happens with the chiefster who already needed help at Playmaker with the draft a week away and now you have this Rice situation hanging over everything. Yeah, he didn't want, he Andy Reid said he's talked to Rice. He wouldn't take questions on him in that he wanted

the law enforcement part to take place, and then they'll go from there when it comes to Rishi Rice. I don't know what go from there means, but I think it's safe to say the Chiefs have to operate that they don't know what Rice's status is as a member of the team or

at the beginning of the season, and that we from the outside also don't know what Rishi Rice's status is with the Chiefs. They could decide to do anything. And it puts them back where they were, you know, before signing Marquis Brown, and where they were after signing Marquis Brown, it's like they need it's a consistent number one

wide receiver play from someone. And Rice was shaping up to be that guy in theory and like, you know, a suspension can whack you for the first, you know, month of a season plus and those games matter a ton for Kansas City. I mean, thank God that this did not involve any fatalities because we would be talking

about this in such a different tone. But his offseason in general went from so lighthearted working out with Patrick Mahomes wearing a Patrick Mahomes dad bodd shirt. Everyone was laughing about it. It was fun. It was light, whatever. And then now he's facing eight felony charges, six of collision involving bodily injury, one of collision involving serious bodily injury,

and one of aggravated assault doesn't even include charges for leaving the scene. So it'll be interesting to see how the league approaches this, because obviously in any criminal case, the league likes to wait for everything to play out before they hand down any type of suspensions. or maybe he goes on leave, but, I mean, it was just, like, what kind of decision was he making to leave? I mean, his cars were involved in it. He had to have known that eventually, like,

you can't run from that, but it's just, it sucks for him, it sucks for everyone involved, and then also for the chiefs now in this situation where they don't know they're in a little bit of a limbo with their wide receiver position. I always think these suspensions, too,

take on a bit of a different tone when there's a video versus not. And, like, there isn't a ton of press, for an accident like this involving so many people and it's like I don't know we'll see what the league does let's talk other wide receivers in a more on the field

tone let's start with Brandon Iyuk who trope alert removed the San Francisco 49 from all social media oh boy yeah and now now everybody talks about that as a trope alert but I feel like our podcast is a little ahead of the curve

on that as a a tried and true move for a player to start the process of being annoyed with this team in a public manner. So that leads to reporting and aggregated reporting. And then Ayuk's agent on Monday denied on social media a report that the star receiver requested a trade. Ayuk is under contract. He's entering the fifth year of his rookie deal. He's set to make 14 million. Connie, this is a very, very talented one.

receiver based on who you speak with maybe a superstar wide receiver but he's also on a team that has some high paid players including someone at his own position in debo samuel and the idea of a trade does not seem out of the realm of possibility no and i'm sure he wants to be paid like debo even if he hasn't asked for a trade there's still some type of smoke there it's a passive aggressive move to unfollow the nineers on all of your social media channels knowing that everyone's going to pick up on that. But for the Niners, time is everything right now. Pay him or trade him to get some type of draft

compensation because his price tag is only going to go up with every single deal that's made. We'll talk about Devante Smith coming up, but all of those extensions, I mean, C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson, like, there's a lot of receivers that are trying to get paid right now, and he deserves to get paid.

His agent came on Twitter and said, you need better sources to a... Oh, report, and this is why it's tricky. You've got to become better if you're in this industry. Oh, Gregi. All right.

Is this the media minute? No, I'm just reading Twitter. The report came from NFL insider John Ficella. Hey, it could be a young star on the rise. You don't know. But isn't working for anything? I'm not really sure. just as a guy

with a, you know, has a checkmark and he put this report out and he said it's official that it officially are you fake news and this sounds too much like a media minute so let's do it.

This is Greg sitting in on the and has this medium minute. Hit it, Eric. It's time for the latest edition of the Media Minute with Greg.

Very nice. So I think Yeah, if you're on Twitter and you're noticing these things, look for, where's the employer? If you can't find one, red flag. If there's a situation where 15,000 followers, okay, that's, that actually, that sounds good. It's a checklist, but then 10,000.

No job following. Yeah. That's a red flag. It's a one for one. And then if the link to the latest work is a blog spot that hasn't been updated in almost two years. LogSpot, bad. You know, it's on you if you pass that along as info.

Now, who knows? As an aggregator. Maybe his agent, though, is just on Twitter and saw this and he responds. And I'm glad. And there's, you know, a little more news on social. It appeared, and you can't really tell. On his Instagram today, Brandon Ayuk was at day one of offseason program

because he was like, I'm a day one type of guy and put that up on Instagram stories and appeared he was at the facility. That was illuminating. I think everything checked out. And that was the Media Minute? I think it'll... And that was the Media Minute with Greg. I think in Twitter parlance,

be better. I also think Brandon Ayyuk is very likely to get a contract from the 49ers, and this is one that doesn't have a lot of juice to it. And I think if Brandon Ayuk got traded, everyone's going to oh first round pick but remember trade tax that we

instituted right I think you were in Hawaii when we finally put our foot down on this and we're going to stop well the fail was lifted off our eyes right yeah so whatever you think Brandon I you deserves knock it down around so you know go get Brandon Uyuk for a second this year and a fourth next year and I would do that in a second no there I feel like that he's got to be worth a first rounder

lift the veil con I think he's getting paid by his current team. The Debo thing went on forever. And so I think Debo Samuel is more likely to get traded than Iyuk, but I think it would be in 2025 when Purdy gets that. Debo is a $24 million cap hit. Next year, it's a $28 million cap hit this year. In other wide receiver news,

T. Higgins said, I quote, do anticipate playing for the Bengals in 2024. Higgins is another one that, you know, he's on the franchise tag. And there was talk about that maybe he's going to be moved. But he looks forward to the season with the Bengals.

And speaking of players that have been connected a lot to trade whispers, but nothing tangible, Devante Adams of the Raiders. And he spoke with the Athletic in an interview and said, if I wanted to be gone, I'd be gone. Which is pretty, and for whatever reason, that checks out to me because he has not kind of been on the record

about wanting to be part of this. rebuild under Pierce and now he is. He wants to be it. He wants to be part of it. He's excited like everybody else is around the Raiders and trying to surprise some people. Well yeah and now his offensive coordinator from Green Bay Luke Getsey is in Vegas

so they have a little history there and I feel like a lot of his frustration stemmed from the dislike and whatever was going on between him and Josh McDaniels and that was like the whole team felt that way it seems so now DeVante Adams came out and was

stumping for Antonio Pierce. Now he's there. Feels like everything is like a little bit easier and a little bit better now. Vibes are good. See how he's feeling when Gardner Minchus throwing passes. Throwing those hospital balls.

Exactly. I think Daniels was supposed to absolute poison in that or I feel like someone must have told him at least to quell him for now. Like we're going hard for a quarterback. It's not going to be Aiden O'Connell or Gardner Minshu week one if we can do anything. No. He just moved his family there.

I think he said that he loves living there. You know, that's an important. So they're moving up. That's important part of things. And I tend to believe, like, everyone hoping for these wide receiver trades. I am too, because it'd make draft week and more excited. I have never thought that T. Higgins was going to get traded. I think the Bengals are a unique organization that the way they like to do things,

like, well, we'll just have one more year. We're not going to pay them the long term. We'll just let them leave a year from now, but it's worth them to keep it for this year. And if you're T. Higgins, you could really make a stink about it. Or you could realize, like, I'm coming off a bad year. I'm with Joe Burrow. I've made, I would have to go check, but I'm sure much less, much less than 10. million dollars in his career, maybe like

five or six, and he's about to make 21 in one year. So if you're about to make about a 400% increase off of what you made in four years combined, you're not going to be like, you're probably not going to go too crazy in terms of not being happy, and you're going to show up and make

it happen. His career earnings to this point, Gregi. Like $4 million or something? Let's see. Total cash in four seasons with the Bengals. 10 million. Greg's made more than that. I wish.

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Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from Scouting Reports and player development To team-building philosophies, coaching trends in how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision-makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze match-ups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year.

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Hey. The Slim Reaper. Devanta Smith. is a three-year extension worth 75 million. The cults also get a deal done with DeForest Buckner, who, according to cult's officials, epitomizes everything that a cult should be. All right.

I guess they're happy with that trade. They did with the 90s a couple of years ago. But Devante Smith, yeah. You like him, don't you? I do. It was, as soon as I walked into my family's house for Easter dinner, it was the first question on everyone's mind.

What's going on with Devante Smith? When is this deal getting done? Really? I like, what a slice affiliate. life. It's so great to see you. Happy Easter. Oh my God. It's been like years at this point that I've seen my extended family. But yeah, it's a big deal. Everyone wants to know. Everyone wanted to know. Finally, they lock him in through 2028. So they picked up his fifth year option. And then the extension is for the three years that then follow. So if you're looking at the money that he's making on an average per year

basis, the Eagles now have two of the top highest paid receivers, top five highest paid receivers in the entire league with himself and AJ Brown. But this was really smart of Howie to get this deal done before Justin Jefferson and C.D. Lamb and Jamar and... Howie, motherfucker. Exactly. But this is what Philly

does. They take care of their own. They don't wait until the last minute. Greg, you're talking about T. Higgins and how the Bengals operate. The Eagles are the exact opposite. They make it a priority to get these deals done early. So there's no discontent that sort of grows. And I

think that it'll be interesting to watch Kellyn Moore, their new offensive coordinator, what he does, if he does anything different with Devante Smith now coming up this season. I mean, the one thing there that is just coming from last year's Eagles, like, fall off a cliff

at... That was last year, Mark. I know, I'm not, I'm just saying, because, like, one of the... Do not talk about last year? Not allowed. Who seemed more annoyed, though? A.J. Brown, it seemed was so annoyed, like, game after game. And it's like, he has no guaranteed money after this season. So you got these dueling banjos at wide out. we'll see,

the one thing about DeForest Buckner, like the Colts are interesting and it's not shocking under Chris Belper. They've signed now 10 of their own players to new deals. And I think Buckner is worth it. He can drive around on a cream-colored Porsche

for the rest of his cult's journey now with the money he's just made. But like, he's like, you know, they just want to stick with their own dudes. Older player. Yeah. They also locked in Grover Stewart on that line, so they've been good for a while together.

Cream-colored. And they're staying the same. No, you're right. It's a good choice in color. It's a continuation of a, Colts trend. They re-sign their guys more than any team league. But the Eagles, they do, I know you're sick of hearing how. No, I have nothing to say on this. I will offer nothing. My stance has been made clear. Because he, he technically had two years left on his contract. So they got way ahead of it. He was in,

he wants to make more money now because he was in the fourth year of his rookie deal. But then they would add the fifth year option. And so they tack three years off of that. And he gets way more in the short term. But that contract goes through 2028. That's going to look like an incredible value. And he's probably not going to be very happy with that contract in three years and they'll have to revisit that. And that is, it's just good business and it's how you avoid getting into the situation that the Cowboys are in. Or that the Jaguars were in this offseason with Josh Allen and that's why they couldn't keep Calvin really. Except in this case, the players are much better. I was thinking, okay, it might be time to say goodbye to E.J. Brown at some point, too. It's like,

AJ Brown's 26 years. How is A.J. Brown only 26 years old right now. So that's true. You do want to keep him for as long as possible. For starters, he was born 26 years ago. I love that for the eagle. But Greg, they have five players under contract through 2028, including Jalen Hertz, and then the other four guys that they already signed this offseason with Landon Dickerson, Jake Elliott, Jordan Milata, and now, Devante Smith.

I'm currently reading and enjoying it quite a bit. The Jordan Rules by Sam Smith, documenting the Chicago. Aren't you also re-watching the Jordan documentary? Yes, Wormhole. Okay. Wormhole. In fact, the paperback that I got has a new forward by Sam Smith

where he reflects on the documentary and how he was coming to it and the Bulls dynasty. Look at you. I found a Michael, I went and showed Walker, I had some cards, some old cards that were like my better football basketball baseball cards yesterday.

We went through it because it's rainy in L.A. as always. It's all that happens in L.A. now. We went through it, looked through some old ones to see if I have any bangers in there. A whole bunch of, a lot of money. I wasted buying cards back. A lot of D. Browns. But had two good cards in the entire thing.

One of them was a solid Jordan card that is valued around $500 or so. Is it in mid-condition? It's probably not. It's in one of those things that looks good. Well, that's a terrible job by the youth version of you because even back then you knew you had to put in one of those things the whole time.

You think it looks good, but if you take it to one of these nerdy cards, I got a good condition is the difference. Just saying that was exciting to me to find this Fleer. It was a Fleer? I don't remember. Yeah. What's your guy do? my guy's a guy

he's a guy that's connected at the highest levels to the industry of what condition is this in how much is it worth I hope it's not there's a guy out there on like YouTube

that opens up packs of cards from like 1999 but eats the gum too no I introduced you to that guy oh well okay junk waxed all in a haze but that was fantastic

oh yeah like I saw a red red and white card which was not worth anything but you could see the gum stain on on the card the gum was called gum sweat

the dust yeah gum sweat it was like it already wasn't worth anything. Anyway, Jordan rules. I bring this up. He happened to be there, Sam Smith. He was a beat reporter for the Chicago Tribune who happened to pick the perfect year to do, oh, I'm following this team and covering this player. He picked Michael Jordan and the 1991 Chicago Bulls that won the first of six titles. And even though this came out 30 some odd years ago at this point, it's still the same, which is, it's so hard to manage rosters and manage

egos and everyone's paying very close attention to not only how much they're making in their contract situation, but they're teammates. And who got what? He got this, but I didn't get that. Scottie Pippen dealt with this a lot because Jerry Krauss locked him into a bad contract, the GM of the team. Anyway, bring this up because... It's not the only bad contract he locked into. Little tabloid's take there by Mark. Is that a tab take? Yeah, just go, if you're listening and you care, go research it on your own. We don't need to dive into it. I don't want to interrupt you. A.J. Brown, who, you know, he's a guy that hasn't always been happy on that team. Now Slim Reaper got the bag.

That could be an issue. I don't know. That could be a flashpoint focus. I am with you. Type issue. But I also with AJ Brown, I feel like he gets this rap for like not being happy. I think that he just expresses it outwardly more than other people would. Is it a rap or is there are some evidence that he's been unhappy and multiple?

There's plenty of evidence, but I think that he just, you know, he likes to voice his opinion. I like what you're saying is there's a lot of this and maybe there's a lot more passive aggressive people in the build in or something that are more annoying and you'd actually rather the AJ guy you know where you stand. I'd rather like exactly like process these feelings. Let's not repress. You're more optimistic than normal about the Eagles. Typically there's some doom and gloom or like what's next around the corner. I tend to think something's around the corner. Right. I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah. Times change. Sports change. The guys are always watching the other guys, especially in their position group. Uh, all right.

Connie, you are going to Detroit for the draft? I am. What is your role? within the company's structure. A few different things. I will be doing hosting DJ's mock draft the night before night one. And then I'll be on site on the desk doing some things night one and night two for the network. And then I'll be on the stage night one and night three. I've never done day three before.

And it looks like. Things get weird. It looks like so much fun. And there's going to be puppies. So I was like I would like to do day three. 13 prospects will be in attendance in Detroit for the drafts which begins Thursday, April 25th.

That seems like it's a dwindling number that are accepting these invites. It's the lowest in years since the post- Corona. The NFL is inviting fewer, they've said, because they're really trying to avoid it. It's another way to spin it. But what about all their like... But what about all the like the fashion business before

and they're rolling in their shoes and their pants? Here's what you need to know. The red carpet. You want the big name. So number one pick. Caleb Williams, he'll be there. Jaden Daniels, the QB from LSU. He'll be there, Drake May,

QB from UNC, he'll be there. Marvin Harrison, Jr., he'll be there. He didn't do anything either. I love that he's going. He didn't test or do anything at the combine. I like that he's going to the draft. Well, just wait at the finish line. Absolutely.

What, if you're him? He's even angry about it. No, I mean, I think it's, he didn't need to prove much. We know he's good. Finally in the news, anything to add about that? Draft next week. That's a plug.

J.J. McCarthy reportedly just didn't respond at all, so eventually they had to take it back. As a potential future of the Patriots, is that a red flag for you? Is that a La Raville Magnifico, perhaps? That is not. He ghosted that? I'm a little under concern. He left him on red. That was on the, yeah, pro football talk wrote that.

The only notable player here was like Darius Robinson of Missouri. It shows you what the NFL thinks in terms of, like, that was a player that a lot of people did not think where it's going in the first round. and he's one of the 13. But are they reaching out to people to, you don't want him sitting there as the one guy out of 13 that's not. Well, they might have a higher opinion of whoever they is

might have a higher opinion of where he's going than like the consensus and of all draft board. So that name stuck out to me as like, wow, he's going to be there because the rest you expect to be top 15 to 20 picks. Finally in the news,

OJ Simpson is dead. The former running back, legendary bills running back, who later became a figure that went well beyond football died at 76 years old after a bout with cancer and I think it's worthy

that even though this happened a few days ago it didn't line up with our show release I think it's worthy to talk about for a couple reasons first of all this is around the NFL and OJ Simpson as a football player was one of the most popular and beloved players

in the history of the league he ran for 2,000 yards the first guy to ever do that in a 14 game season And we have a lot of listeners that are either, A, too young to know what went down in the mid-90s around O.J. Simpson or are not from this country. And don't understand what O.J. Simpson and the murder case and the subsequent trial, what that was about in this country. And that became the biggest story, really, of the 1990s. And when they talk about trial of the century, you hear that throwing around a lot

but that really was the trial of the century and everything around it so the idea mark that that OJ now is gone 30 years after he was acquitted of that double murder is certainly noteworthy

and was a major figure and like where we, our ages yes you know we have a totally different outlook and viewpoint on everything so now that he's gone 30 years later it's pretty wild I'll just hit like a couple, like, you know, this was one of the more personal news stories

because it was as like cable television was becoming like the thing. And I'll never forget. I would really want it to be a journalist back then and be in sports. And it's kind of forgotten that when it happened during the Knicks, Nick's like Rockets. The car chase. Right. The car chase is unfolding. That in LA, there were people, once it kind of got going, lined up on the streets with like

poster board signage. I'm supporting. like everyone just thought that OJ was under duress and probably fine and then like the juice is loose and things like yeah and this was like a 24 hour a day news story which which was interrupted for nothing and they had to throw it at one point from a sports angle to Bob Costas who was covering the NBA coverage and I had hours and hours and hours of tape of OJ in like fun OJ mode back when he hosted NFL Live with Bob Costas they became very good friends I this is this is weird but I was actually

working at that summer camp during all this and I was home when all of the chase happened Camp happiness. Camp happiness. You went back to work. I went back to work but I had um and I'll, I have two little more things but like I had this phone card because back then you just, you know, I had a pay phone there and my friend Peter Acton back

in like watching the news I would call him for like an hour a day to get updates and what was happening with the trial through the rest of the summer and I never got charged on this card I called the magic card and then I was going to American University the following special was like I made hundreds of hours of calls and I went to American University

and fast forward one year on October 3rd, 1995, when the verdict came down and there were people, there was, like, we think we know what's going to happen, but we don't. And I was in this gigantic student center

and the verdict came down and it was a shocking verdict and then the lights went out in the student center and it was like a windowless gigantic conference type room and like the lights went down with hundreds of people

in there screaming shouting and it was like a totally pitch dark room. It's like the end of the world and it was like, That's what I remember. Then a week later, I got a bill that channeled from AT&T back to my parents' house, and they sent it to me, and it was like for about $1,400 in phone charges that I was being charged for two years later. Two years later.

I digress, but there was a lot of weird moments back then because people track this story, like no other story in the world. The bill always comes due. It comes due. And it came due, sort of. Not really for him. That documentary, the five-parter, OJ made it. in America. Oh, my God.

Got to check it out if you're curious about this. It was so good. It was so good. And it was great perspective for us or for me about everything before that. Yes.

About who he was and what he, you know, and I knew him more as like the guy from the naked gun more than anything. I mean,

I knew he was like an NFL, you know, great. But that puts it all in perspective and perspective of the country. It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen.

That's what I, how I, like, look back at it now as an older person as a 15 year 14 15 year old when it happened three thousand miles away in the suburbs of new york like it just it looked like it couldn't have been a more open and shut case this was a man that was a horrific abuser of his wife and there was a mountain of evidence it's like obviously he's guilty but it turned out um how the long shadow of rodney king in this city and how that came to directly connect to this case and the the lack of justice for rodney

King and how that impacted the black community King and his family, how that then led to, in the opinion of many, Nicole Brown and Ronald Golden not getting justice because of the way the anger that's still in the black of trust around the LAPD. It was, you learned so much about the country and the issues that are part of this country since we started, how it went on. So for our generation, Rodney King and OJ are for what a younger generation, what George Floyd was about, where it's like, wow, this continues to be a big part of what our country is about and it's underneath everything. And it's, you know, it was as big as it gets.

It's the biggest story of our lifetime, really. I mean, outside of maybe 9-11, obviously. Yeah, I was 9 when all of that was happening. So I didn't have, first of all, I didn't have a great frame of reference. as far as OJ as the player, like Greg mentioned, I knew that he was a legendary figure. I had watched him in like commercials

and movies and stuff like that. But for me, it just like looking back on everything, it just feels so gross how a double murder became pop culture and like for so many people. And it just had a life of its own. I also was taken just that he was this figure

that was, because of what he did and the trial was a larger than life in a way that's hard to describe and yet here he is when he dies and it's just really interesting

to hear sort of the different reactions the Pro Football Hall of Fame you can still go and you can look at OJ Simpson's bus it's up there they flew their flag at half mass for OJ Simpson

they released a statement just about his life didn't mention the trials in the statement the Buffalo Bills you know, who he's really associated with, didn't say anything. They didn't really statement. They didn't do anything. His name is still up there, though.

You go to the stadium. It's up there in the Wall of Fame. And I don't even have like a judgment or like a hot take on that. It's just, it's kind of crazy to think that all these years later and then a lot of the reaction I feel like to him, dying

was like silence, at least from the people, like from organizations and stuff. And I don't think there is a right answer, but it was interesting to see how different places approached it and the 30 years just to kind of underline it 30 years after like you know the frustration for many people is like he got away with it but like also to know a little more like who oj was he was such a gregarious outgoing personality that everyone loved he was you know maybe the first uh black athlete in this country who was kind of accepted in like corporate america madison avenue for him to live in this like purgatory for the last 30 years and be seen by

and he is a villain and a ghoul. He ran away from the civil judgment, ended up going to Vegas to escape that in Florida, having to pay the Goldman and Brown families. But he kind of led the rest of his life as a, you know, kind of a grotesque curiosity to people. And while I don't think that's true justice, I think that for him,

that probably was a pretty terrible way to end the rest of his days. So O.J. Simpson, 76 years old. Let's take a break. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel?

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and we're trying to give you every angle on this thing we're going to have more uh experts in the field a little later in the week but uh from our vantage point let's talk about some guys as we're doing the research that we're fascinated by. That's, I think that's powerful. In fact, this segment is called, I love them. Fascinating players of the 2024 NFL draft. And that is the voice of Mark Sessler.

He was referring to wide receiver Ladd McConkey. But that's not where Mark is going here. So let's start it out with the Sestog. Who's got you fascinated? I wanted to go defense because we focused on a lot Q-Bs and the top 10 picks here and there's probably only like one defensive guy in there and a bunch of wide receivers. I started to look at edge rushers and Florida States Jared Verse 6'4, 254 pounds. He just looks like an old school football. Say that again. I'm writing

this down. 6-4? No, no, his name. Jared Verse. Jared Verse. B-E-R-S-E. I love him. Senior. This guy just why there is one clip that I'll like I will send out at some point where he bull rushes like a 320 pound left tackle when they were playing Louisville and like basically like takes this guy and throws him like a child back and back on his feet and finds a way to shove the 320 pound left tackle into the quarterback, grabs both of them, throws them to the ground. And he's doing this all the time. I know that he's not looked at the number one as the number one edge guy right now. But I think he's a total Punisher. He is just intensity. He's got speed. He gets around tackles with

these traits. There's moments when he's sacking like a quarterback. Sometimes you see guys that need to use if they're smaller, they're a cornerback. They need to use their body at full force. He's able to use his hands just to drag guys to the ground. And I think that you look at like quarterbacks over and over on some of these clips. He's coming from the blind side and he destroys them and the ball is separated from them. They're thrown to Earth and I think it changes the game. I think that he could go right away, become one of the more terrifying guys at the position

if he can stay healthy and pick up from here. He is ranked 14th in the Daniel Jeremiah most recent NFL draft prospect. And the second best edge rusher right behind Dallas Turner. A lot of people have them one and two. I think that depends what teams, how they would want to use them.

Because I watched a little Turner, but Jared versus just more of my type of play. And I think that it's going to be very interesting how this first round plays out because all of the the top 10 really is going to be dominated by offensive players. So when does that defensive run start? Who's the first team to take

offensive player? We will see averse. Now the Falcons as an example. Yeah. They have not had a premium edge rusher of notes since Greg. Johnny Abraham. So maybe he fits that mold, but there are many teams. In fact, most teams looking for a big time edge rusher and verse might fit the boat. Yeah.

he seems like a complicated one because he wins by his strength and mine's connected, so I'm going to just transition to it. I love Laiatu Latu. Damn it, that was my God. Probably like, you know, you know, on consensus boards

might be the third defensive end or third edge guy which seems a little shocking to me. Verse, he's exciting. He's actually the type of guy I usually like which it's all about strength, but it's a little worrisome when you're 250 pounds and you're all about strength. Like, is that going to work?

like maybe not as like refining he's also 23 years old so's latu but latu's story is just so crazy that he literally could have played in the premiership for professional rugby thought about it that he was that good uh decided not to do it probably is getting taken so late because he had to medically retire for a year because of a neck injury that knocked him out so he was out of football for two entire years and so i get it that maybe you're not going to go in the top five or the top 10 because of the medical issues, but when you just watch him, he just seems like he's the best defensive player in the draft. It seems insane to me, like the types of moves that he has is like,

and he's 23 years old, so it's first. They're both a little older in terms of prospects. So you want him to be a little more refined or whatever. But it's just like a walking pass rush. Like led the college football in pass rush win rate, like does everything. He just looks like, to me, like a T.J. Watt, maybe not as explosive, but just like that he would step in there and I'm almost surprised, but who am I?

Like, yeah, I look at... You're Greg Rosethal, damn it. I get it, but I look at like the beast. Dane Bruegler is great on the athletic and he has him third and he has him as a below verse as like a late first or to a second type pick. So maybe I'm totally off base, but I look at him as like, that's the guy I freaking want. He looks incredible to me and it's just the injury thing,

which you know, you're going to be worried about. But he was on a recruiting staff in Washington where it was him... The top three recruits were Pooka Nakua, Trent Mcduffey, and him. It's like, okay, they went two for two. I feel like it's going to be three for three, but he might end up being the third guy and taken after. The way that he pass rushes, like it's not just speed.

It's so much skill that he has. And at his size, what he's 6.5, 265, he moves like such a smaller player, almost like a wide receiver kind of does. And yeah, he won two rugby national champion. be in ships. I actually talked to him when he was on Good Morning Football. You mentioned him on this show, I think once. Yeah.

Now, do you feel bad that you took him for her? No, no, listen, we're sharing. I would not have gotten first either. We're building. We're building. How would I have known? I would I have known. I watch every Colleen episode, so I knew. Obviously. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Asked anything. What else happened on that episode?

Laughs were had, and analysis was a plenty. That's a great descriptor right there. That's not really. That's good. But yeah, the fact that he was told he would never play football again after suffering that neck injury at Washington. And then he was cleared by UCLA, one Pac-12 defensive player of the year last season. He's 16th on Daniel Jeremiah's big board. Like, he is a Bob Marley fan, so there's no character concerns there. Well, it might be other concerns.

Not for me. If I'm the GM, let's go get our guy. A little sprinkling of like is this? A little sprinkling out there of like... Not the how much does this guy love football. I was like, how much more do you want him to love football? He literally was told like he shouldn't ever play again because of a neck injury and he decides to pass up pro rugby too.

It's like that's the ultimate you love football. True. Don't love the neck. Don't love a neck injury. No, that's concerning. But he did just play two years. Yeah. No injuries.

And he's been medically cleared. And I'll use an example. There are many examples in the past with, players that come out of college with injury question marks and it leads to them fall a little bit down the board and then you go and you grab them and you might end up with Rob Grankowski in a good case or you could end up with I don't know de Milner in a bad case so you just it's a bit of a gamble that you take and he would count I would think as a gamble there but certainly has the skill set and the desire right Polynesian football player of the year I like those two

those guys are built tough Polynesians Laosu Latu. It's fun to say, too. When men were men, whatever happened to Gary Cooper, go check out Polynesia. I happened to, when it was in Hawaii, happened to have stayed at a house that was less than a mile away from the Polynesian Football Hall of Fame. No way. It just felt like, you know, I'm all about ball. So you went because it's such an easy hop, skip, and a jump to go visit it. I sort of did, I did actually, but not on purpose on some level.

We went and there was just like a variety of stores. and shaved ice and some food in the same complex that it was at. But since we were there, yeah, took a spin through. The Rock. I thought I thought I'd catch him on that one. In inductee of the 2020.

You got to put in Johnson. Got to put it in Johnson. You see Vicahama in there? Probably was. I'm sure he was. Got to put him in. Yeah. All right.

Connie, you're up. Who is in there? Terry on Arnold. They put it to her? I love him. I would wait it out. Or maybe he was just like their player of the year.

I don't even remember. I'm just kidding, Dolphins fans. Jesus. All right. This guy's not going in. the Polynesian Hall of Fame. Terry L. Arnold, love him.

Cornerback from Alabama. He's really good, really talented. Can I just say one second? God damn it. That's interrupt you. It is a char to speak on this show. But can I just say, Mark, the reason, one of the reasons I love you is,

I don't know too many people that, can I hear that again? You can interrupt all you want if you're going on this room. Yeah, let's hear it. I love him. That, that tone. I sound like a child. You sound like.

someone that's a sensitive that's coming from a real place well it was it was after a moment of trying to passion you kind of like in a playful way ribbing me because of he's not Polynesian either no well he Zach Zenter All-Star and

yeah yeah yeah yeah we're good we're all good now you sure we got it all out okay good so let me tell you about Terry on Arnold I apologize I love him Oh, my God, I'm done.

I'm leaving. So I would say Arion Arnold has the absolute best personality in the entire draft and I will die on that hill. Like, I don't even think it's close.

He is a total showman, but he doesn't try. He is unintentionally so funny. And then on top of it, he has almost Dion vibes. Like, he's really good and he has this, like, confidence that doesn't come off

as, like, rubbing you the wrong way either. It's like a very, very special, charismatic way he has about him. And I've listened to so many interviews with him. We also had him on Good Morning Football. And he, I wish that we could have talked to him for all three hours because he was just such a fun hang. Like he was really, really cool.

He's been rising up draft boards and honestly, common man rankings too. All right. Because he spent summers working with his granddad at a roofing company all over North Florida. You're talking about like Florida in the summer. He said that he learned discipline, structure, consistency, persistence, and that he didn't want to be a roofer. So he was like, I am all in on football.

He is also like just really easy. Second place in terms of workplace fatalities as a perfor. Very dangerous. Extremely dangerous. But he survived. Only truck driver. He survived. Or worse.

Yeah. And you know what? That just goes to show you that he's someone who will take risks and he is responsible and he has maybe faced some adversity and gotten through it. But he's also super. easy to root for. Max Preps put out this tweet that he went back to his high school to give his janitor this Christmas gift, which was his jersey because his janitor had asked him when he was in high school to give him his jersey. And he thought that like the janitor maybe forgot. So he went

back and visited the school, visited his janitor, brought some gifts for him for Christmas. Like he seems like a really great, good, fun, genuine guy. He comes from a good big family. He taught him to kind of like never be late because if you're late then like you got your last pick in terms of like the resources and dinner and seats and like whatever else is going on in the house. Exactly. I was actually thinking about West when he was talking about it. Although the wrestling mother would just

toss the steak down the steps. Right down the basement. Yeah. I don't think that's tied to a brick. Here. To a brick. Well, I'm intrigued by this person. We should get them get them on the show. Tarion Arnold. You should. Oh my gosh. You guys would love him. We'll either be the first or likely the second

cornerback taken, either him or Quinnian Mitchell from Bolito ran a little bit of a slow 40, which I think had I think had teams concerned a little bit. Those Alabama guys, though, not to paint with a bad brush. They just seem like they come out as like

pros. Well, they're like they come in as pros and like very relaxed. I agree with that. I think also when you watch his tape, he's dealing with like LSU half the time in like real schools. Like he's, he played top competition and, like, he had, what, 17 passes defense, like, five picks. Like, he's a rugged dude.

He doesn't miss tackles. Anybody been up on a roof lately? But, see, truck drivers, Greg, I think there's a lot of fatalities. I was wrong, though. That was asleep. Like, if you fall asleep on a roof, that's not behind. That's just inherently dangerous to be on the road. Logging workers is actually even higher.

Roofers, number two. Been up on a roof lately? No. Not lately, but I have. Oh, yeah. About once every six months? or so every year around Christmas. Clean out the gutters?

What are you doing? Not a gutters issue because we don't have a tree above the property but I do have Christmas lights. Oh. I put up.

I also, I had to go up there to put the, it's like a cage you put on top of the chimney. And if you want to get an idea of how fragile your mortality is, get up on the roof and you realize immediately

I have like a 20% chance to die right now. And this is how it's going to happen? East Coast when you'd have to go shovel snow off your roof. What am I doing up here? This is... Awful.

Extremely dangerous. I used to... Maybe Clemson will send you a second football for this handiwork that you've successfully pulled off. Now it's on the radar. When I was in high school, the room that I had in the house that I grew up in had, like, it was in the back of the house. It was the only one, and there was like a little bit of the roof.

When there was a fence off to the side, it was the escape hatch. And it was also like a meeting spot. so like people would, like, it was like people would come and visit me at the window. Did you throw down your hair? I'm knocking on my window at night, yeah. Is that how the boy that was holding onto your cars, you drove away? No, that was college. I have one, but here, listen, you don't want to hear from me.

You want to hear from someone who... Watch this tape. He loves it. He loves it. He lives and breathes it. paved dog he's a little bit um he's a wild card um but he will give you information that is sometimes just spot on so i uh put a call out to the west side of cincinnati and track down brad spicer known as the spice rack pepper mill oh sir he's not going to be happy with that uh-uh was a spicler spicer

but you've given him a nickname potentially he gets it spice rack let's hear from um um The Great Brad Spicer. Hey there, everybody. Dan Hansis wants me to introduce myself, as if you don't already know, son. It's the spice rat. Of the Mountie. Adding video was a choice.

All right, Zeus wants me to give you three videos, three names, but you know what? I'm coming with seven names. Deal with it. My first guy is Quignon Mitchell. Never heard of him. of them, quite honestly, before two months ago, but he's a first-round corner, like a mid-first rounder. A corner from the Mid-American Conference? The one thing I did was I looked up to see if

he's like 6-4 or something and he's a project, then it's okay. Maybe he could bust. But he's six-foot. I saw that he has long arms, but 6-foot. He's not a physical specimen. This St. Sauce Gardner, but if you're going to go mid-first is a corner from the Mid-American conference, you got my vote. I know you're going to have a serious chip on your shoulder. Once a walk on, always a walk on. You know, Baker-Mayfield walked on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma. And while not the best quarterback, certainly someone you can go to war with. There's seven of these? I don't know if this one went too long.

Don't edit me. That ends up strong, except for the 45-second detour to Baker, which sort of seemed to disprove his point. Toledo quarterback Quinion Mitchell. I call the Spice Channel, by the way. That's good. Yeah, so we just threw it to Spice Channel.

It's a ring to it. Which, you know, if you know, you know, one of those things. I'm with spicy on the logic, though. To be that small and from Toledo And I think he's going to be the first cornerback I think he's likely to be You have to be an incredible, incredible player

Let's take a break And we'll go through another round Hey, this is Matt Jones Now I'm Drew Franklin And this is NFL cover zero We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different Did you see the Colts pretzel

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What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game. from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies coaching trends in how front offices construct winning rosters every week we study the tape talk to decision makers and share the insights you won't find anywhere else is the kind of conversation that connects the dots from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow we break down the draft analyze matchups and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day plus we dig in the coaching strategies roster construction and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome back to Draft Corner. Really on the spot. You're a broadcaster. That's what it is. All right, let's go around the horn again. We've heard from everyone in the room. I deferred to Spice Rack. I thought it was pretty good start. Great start.

Yeah. Great start. Spice Channel is up and running here on ATN. Mark, let's hear somebody else. Here is someone that I know someone else in the room has a fascination with too. And Greg. Cooper DeGene, cornerback from Iowa. I love him.

This dude is interesting. Like, I'm not sure where his. go. I'm thinking kind of like something. I think the cults are a good target in the mid-first round. Is that a little Mark Sessler mock draft tease right there? It might be. Coming up next week. It might be. He is I just think he is like an incredible athlete that does

all sorts of stuff. In today's NFL, he also offers incredible return skills. But I just want to read this. Nick Baumgartner from the Athletic went and kind of did a feature on this guy and I just want to read the opening paragraph. I'd love to hear it. This pulled me in. In western Iowa, along State Highway 175, sits a town of about 900 people. There's a bowling alley and a drive-in restaurant. Odebolt, Iowa is named after a Frenchman who

lived alone more than a hundred years ago along the creek that runs through the village. It once was known, but apparently no longer holds the crown as the popcorn center of the world. It's about 70 miles away from both the Missouri River and absolutely nothing. It's also home to a unique prospect in the 2024 NFL draft, Iowa defensive back, Hooper DeGine. If you watch this guy, I love him. This is kind of like, I'm like, I just want on my

team. It's like, I know this. You know that. The Steelers are going to go get him. A lot of McConkey of cornerbacks. But the Steelers are going to get him or the Ravens or he is, he is so fun to watch. And I get it like cornerbacks are just, they're all coming in like different shapes and sizes, but I don't know if he's, if he's necessarily like big

enough, strong enough, or has the movement skills in some ways, like the lateral movement to do what he needs to do, but I see evidence of a guy who can contribute in a lot of different ways. I think he does. And I think,

you've got to look yourself in the mirror, but I think people immediately be like, oh, is he going to move to safety? Does he play nickel? It's like, this guy was one of the most explosive playmaking cornerbacks in college football for years.

And your first instinct is, oh, maybe move him to safety. Look at the mirror, bro. A little profile. A little profiling going on with Cooper DeZine. Oh, interesting. You know what I'm saying. I want to think for DeJon every time.

I see his name. I know it's the gene. One little thing, like, this is the kind of athlete he is. Like, he scored over 1,800 points in basketball in high school, through 78 touchdowns as a quarterback, won a state title and track

in the 100 meter dash, and in baseball was a pitcher who had, like, a two-hitter as a junior. He, like, literally never, he's not athletic enough. He never stopped playing sports. Reminds me a little of Kyle Hamilton. I feel like there's some guys in every draft

that's like that the NFL over thinks. And like that everyone agrees on is great. And then for some reason goes, Aaron Donald was kind of one of those guys. Yeah. This is crazy. I didn't everybody knows you don't see a lot of white quarterbacks in the league. Not since Jason

Seahorn, who retired in 2003, has there been a white quarterback who consistently played the position? And could he be a first rounder? Is he? Yes. I think they're like, and Sehorn was the second rounder. So I mean, his profile would indicate he'd be

a very high pick. And I think he will. He'll be a first rounder, but he's getting mouth to the cults over and over. Cooper Dejean, Iowa, cornerback. Gregie. Okay. This is a tough choice. Power seems like one of those guys. Everyone's over thinking, too.

I feel like we're going to hit Drake May so hard, and I love Drake May. And so in terms of just having that feeling that Mark has about the player, that's me on Drake. That's who you want the Patriots is again. But for this assignment, I think Michael Pennix is a better choice because he's just a fascinating prospect. like a guy who was, you know, in college forever. Like, yeah, six years. I mean, it's a little outrageous how long he was in college. So I get that.

He's older than everyone. But incredibly consistent. And the type of guy that I feel like if it was 2005 would maybe be the first or the second quarterback. And we're just like looking for different things now. Like just throwing the ball and I know he's built very different and there's a million things that are different. It almost reminds me of like Carson Palmer when he came out. People are just like, my God, look at that man, throw a football. Like, this man was born to throw a football.

And that's Michael Pettix, except he's a lefty. And I was expecting because of all the knocks on him and why he's not going to necessarily go in the first round or everything, that he'd be a total stiff. But he's not. Like, he can move. He can make throws on the run. And I do think all the negatives that he has,

like you saw him in the college football semi-final dispel all that. And people can say, well, that was one game. But it's like, if you can do that, in one game, and you have NFL training and we, you know, you have that potential. It's kind of how people overthought C.J. Stroud last year saying, like, he doesn't do enough playmaking. He's like, you saw it in that one game. I'm not saying he's C.J. Stroud. I just think, like, leadership, mental toughness, all the intangibles are supposedly off the charts. And he's a guy who just, I think if you asked all 32 GMs just like in the pocket, who throws the

craziest ball down the field, the furthest, uh, the prettiest. It's Michael Pennix. And so to me, I'm just curious, like, what kind of career he's going to have because he just feels like he's boom or bust. But if he ends up on a team like the Raiders, he could be playing right away. And he just seems like a fascinating guy. Maybe they're seeing things I don't see. And I know he's a little erratic with the accuracy here and there.

But for the most part, like, it seems like he's got what you would want. He fits the Raiders. And I just don't care if he's, like, a year older than someone else. Like, if he's good for five years, like, the Raiders have been waiting for that for an Eon and Plus. So what's the, like, I know that we make so much such a big deal. of that. And there's a ton of them in this class because it's,

is it the last COVID year where you got that extra year that you could just stay? Because he surprised people. He could have come out last year. He'd already played five years and he decided to come back. So we talked about injuries. Yeah. His injuries are. So he had four season-ending injuries at Indiana.

Four before he transferred to Washington. So, I mean, listen, this games, you go up a level and the guys get bigger and faster. And you get older and you get old. and he's not Brandon Whedon, old, but he turns 24 next month. So that would be, that would spook me honestly more than anything else. Like that's a real concern

of this durability at that position. I'm just saying in a world where Mac Jones went 15th, like what, this guy isn't going to go top 15th? Go watch him with Roma Zunzei. Because like the two of them, we talked about this on the wide receiver episode that like,

it just seemed like Rome's tape. Like there's like 440-yard catches paired with Pennix. Like he can wing it downfield. Yeah. He profiles a little bit as a guy that you guys will get annoyed of me. overrating because he's so good at

throwing the ball and that he actually settles into like a mid-level starting quarterback that is up and down. But like that's still good. I mean, he's going to be a 25-year-old rookie, so he's going to be a little bit older. But that also... I have 24. You have 25? I think his birthday...

Check to see when his birthday is. I think he's turning 24. Dan, almost a gray beard if you... Okay, so I'm aging him a bit. No, he turns 24 next month. Okay, so 24-year-old rookie. But I was talking to Lance Erlein about him and he was talking about how

when he watches his tape, he just, he doesn't take sacks, he'll get rid of the ball. He's not really great, like, moving around the pocket. So those are just some of like the flags that he sees, but he's got a really strong arm. And he's really, he's tough, he's smart. Sounds fun. And he's a good leader too, apparently.

He's got a howitzer, some people say. I haven't heard that. I assume at some point someone to start that well. And he quoted Gino Smith on the podium after winning the Pactant Championship, which to me, Greg, you had done it. You had convinced us with a really, like, delightful sales job, and now you're taking it to very still places.

And like Gino, he was widely thought to be a first round pick. Some people believe he can go into the second round as well. So interesting. Connie, how about another one? All right. Well, I wasn't initially going to go here because I feel like all we've done is talk about this guy, but legitimately this comes from a place of total fascination.

I really, really am curious how Caleb Williams is going to be in the NFL coming in with the NIL money because we haven't really seen this before. We haven't seen someone make the amount of money that he has before heading into the league, going into a locker room of veteran players who a lot of which have not even made close to what Caleb Williams has made. I just don't know how it will work and if some of those egos will kind of be an issue when he does play in the NFL. Like if they're not winning right away, I don't know how a locker room of like older veterans is going to take someone like Caleb Williams. And it's not, this isn't Caleb's fault at all. It's just the way that the league has changed now with NIL money in general.

And this is going to be how it is going forward in general with. these drafts and with the players coming out of college, it's just a switch and a change. And I just wonder how that transition will be because it's going to be so, so different and with his personality as well. Like he's a very gregarious, like very confident type of guy. You want that in your quarterback. But I just wonder if it will rub some players the wrong way and then how that will kind of play out.

If he can ball, I don't think any of it matters. Exactly. If he wins, no problem. What you're saying is. It's true. It reminds me a little bit of, like, they used to get these $50 million contracts as number one overall drafts.

And it was awkward. It's like Sam Bradford was making way more money than anyone else on his team. Well, that was ridiculous. And it was crazy. But he, it took me a while to actually, you know, sit down and, you know, watch a tailbone. It's like, you get it.

He, he, to me, like, he can make. I love him. Not just every throw, but just like, he knows exactly what throw to make at any time. I mean, he seems like the best prospect since Andrew Luck. Like, he is so. good. It's just outrageous how good he was. In a tough spot, too, last

year that, like, if he's like that, it's like Andrew Luck. Like, I think you can have a million different leadership styles if you're that good. It doesn't matter. Very fascinating. Yeah, you just don't know. You don't know how these guys are going to be until they actually play.

And look at how the first pick went in the draft last year. Not to write any eulgies. But, and then you look at the second pick and how that went. this feels as can't miss as as possible all right it is time now

coast is clear let's flip on the the old spice channel spice rack here for round two and I'm going to stick with the chip on the shoulder theme and talk about Jared verse from Florida State

this guy is transferred in from Albany to Florida State and okay that's a big enough jump but then he dominated And, you know, I couldn't even tell you how he, what he technically does against the run or any, you know, I don't know any of this stuff, but he's got the big enough body, a big enough body to support the run. And certainly he can get after the passer. And again, transfer from Albany.

You carry that chip on your shoulder the rest of your life. It doesn't matter if you're the, you know, you're a first round player. It does not matter at all. And on the same team at Florida State. Kion Coleman. Every time I check a mock draft, a wide receiver, big and athletic, all that stuff. Natural touchdown scorer. Every time I focus.

What is happening? He just looked away. See a new mock draft. He's been dropped to 40th, 50th, 60th, a third rounder. What are we talking about here? I really don't know what the issue is. If his 40 is not that great, that's fine. Because you need to watch him once to see how athletic he is.

can torch his body and all these, you know, sort of a, he's, he's got some Mike Evans to his game, you know, not as big and physical. And listen, Mike Evans is the best underrated player this entire generation, so, uh, I'm not silly out here. Okay. I don't know.

Does he need help? Will catch touchdowns in the NFL. Hansis, how long was that video? Spice rack. That's a little too long, but. Round of 3.0. I want to know. I think everybody wants to know.

I thought the video length of this okay, but you kept looking behind Price rack. Is he on the run? Is someone chasing you? You let him know relatively last minute about this, and he needed a little extra time. And the production value is great. He's wearing an Ohio State jersey.

Buffet charts. That's sure who it is. He's on a football field. He seems like he's on a football field. And then, yes, he's looking behind him as if there's maybe a team that wants to use the field or something. That was the delay. He drove two hours to a football field to do these videos.

Yes, he's wearing a Bengals knit cap. You can check this out on. If you've always wondered what the spice rack looks like, um, but I hope, I hope there's no one following him. I just say this, because we spent the latter half of last season combining on our weekly picks for NFL media, the Sess and Spice team went roughly like 78 and six iconic. Yeah, it was like 78 and six was our record on the stretch weird you guys didn't finish even in the top five out of a top it got better enough and I reached out internally to see like, are these guys in last place? And the guy that runs it behind the scenes, I can't give you that info.

And I was like, ooh. Well, because that would have been incorrect. Because, like, I was also told by text on a weekly basis, like, these are the most entertainment. This is, like, kind of the core entertainment aspect of these picks that come out is, like, what you guys are cooking up. But listen, like, so Jared Verst, like, we're in lockstep right there. That's great. Spice Rock has a pretty pristine record when it comes to prospects. And Kean Coleman is an interesting guy that, like, people thought in October was going to be, like, a top 15 pick.

And, yes, it has kind of become the trendy thing that, like, eh. is this guy, is he really athletic enough? Can he beat? Are you going to have to put him in the slot? Because he's just like this big guy who can't win on the outside. And some of those guys haven't done well in recent years. But then again, like, D.K. McHoff and AJ Brown fell to the bottom of the second. And his cousin is C.D. Lamb. A little fun fact. Mike Evans, what do you call him? The most criminally underrated player of the generation?

Interesting. Good conversation piece. Good Sega idea. There, Spicerack. You didn't even know you did it. Criminal. Yeah. Underrated players. good. Let's take a break, and we will be back with one more round. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining.

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Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We're back. One more time. Let's go one more time around. Go on, Mark. I'm going to save my running back stuff till later because I like a couple.

When later? Because we are. Later in the week. Oh, not today. Yeah. Saying don't bank it for later in this show because this is. is it, my friend. No, no. This is I, I, yes, we got started late. It's certainly a time. No, independent of that, it just feels like time for your last thing. Whenever the two of you are

ready, I'll be happy to offer another player. You just let me know when, when you'd like that to happen. Your final choice. I'll wait for you to tell me. Your final choice. Okay. I'm picking someone that probably doesn't go early in the draft at all, like more mid rounds. And um, like, again, it's just like, I don't know, you're watching 100th place mid round banger from the Sestog. A linebacker. Notre Dame. Maris Lea. Fow. And like this is, because I was looking up, here's how I try to just search players. I was like, who is like the toughest, nastiest

hitter in the entire draft? And this guy's name kept coming up over and over. So then I went and watched him. And it's another guy. It's like my old Brownson, like this guy's just going to wind up on the Ravens or the Steelers. And he'll start as like a backup rotational linebacker, but then they won't be able to keep him off the field. Like I mean, he has like an aura

of complete and total ultraviolence to him. The speed, it's kind of like, I think the linebacker position, even like when you're young, it's like, who's the kid on the team can then suss out, seeing through a bunch of bodies, where the ball is, where it's going, what's happening with the play. And he has like a laser beam, heat-seeking

ability to get to it. He's really, like, his speed, he's a guy that can go kind of like wire to wire across the field. If, like, a quarterback's trying to scramble out, I'll never forget when Johnny Mansell, in his first start against the Panthers, we were watching West and I were watching it on a Sunday. And Mansell, this

like, lauded speed guy out of college tried to get to the edge. And some Carolina Panthers defender just like, ran over and blew him up. And you knew that Johnny Mansell was never going to be good in the NFL. You just knew it. And this guy can do that to quarterbacks,

to people on the edge. Like, there's just something about his game. And he got PFF called him the hardest hitter and listed said that when he comes downhill, he comes down hill with bad intentions. And that's how I would label him too. He's fun to watch. And he's going to,

it's going to be hard to like keep him off the field, I think, if he can stay, because he's not a huge guy, but he's not, he's 6-2-234. He's fine. I was not familiar with this man. I went to go check. Dane Bruegler at the Athletic

has him as the number 15 linebacker projected fifth to sixth round. So this is a deep... It is. You're planting and you fight. He has him as the number two linebacker from Notre Dame. I like that, but every draft

you have to find people like this, right? I mean, so I don't know. I just like him. I want to see where he goes. It's a hot and cold review from Lance Eerlon on our NFL.com draft profile. I don't doubt it.

Again, I said these... Mark sees violence in it. He's a mid-round guy, but like the way he plays, he's going to like, he's, the NFL is almost like scared of his playing style, I think. Mark's got that soft side that we heard. Duality of man. The sound direct, but, um, D-O-I love him.

Mark also knows violence. Loves that too. Yes, loves it. I'm going to go more basic and just, Brock Bowers, to me, is another guy that maybe everyone's overthinking. Time for some Bowers talk. To me, to me, it's fascinating that, like, he would not go early. in part because he's been so good from the minute he showed up.

I mean, a guy who can show up on the national champion team and as a true freshman, like, dominate against Alabama and lead them to a national championship and put up numbers. And people are like, well, you know, Kyle Pitts hasn't worked out and all these first round tight ends, like, that hasn't worked out. Like, that's just from the same people that would say sample size issues when you're talking about a guy who throws 90 to 100 pat. This is like, it's just a couple different picks.

In fairness, Greg, I don't think people are after what happened last year when we had a lot of impact tight ends coming right. That's a little bit of a, that narrative has been put to bed a little bit. Okay, but I think they're pointing out that the guys are, okay, that wasn't the second round.

You can wait. And like if Sam LaPorte had been a first round pick that makes them somehow better, just anyone that can show up and have three seasons where you're the number one target. Ladd McConkey's great in all, but like Brock Bowers was their number one receiver for three straight years on an elite elite team.

And he produced like crazy every single season. like why don't overthink it like i get the whole like contract thing of like tight ends you're not saving as much money because if you take them 12 that actually is a contract that's similar to a top five to tight 10 like that comes into equation it's like but if you're right it doesn't freaking matter you have to get the player right that's more important than everything and after you get past like five six seven players in this draft i don't think there's a player that you'd be more confident in is going to be a plus player there just aren't many tight ends

he reminds me of Tony Gonzalez because there aren't many tight ends that make you miss and you can run over them. That's that's two things. You just don't see that. That like even Robben Krause, he can't really make you miss. Like he can make you miss and he can run over you.

That's pretty special. Let's go to New York Jets. How would you feel? If the Jets took them, I think that'd be great. Well, to like what we're just saying is like, Jets fans that are old enough, you're spooked by it because the Jets have had

bad luck drafting tight ends high in their history. But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because that was then, this is now he would certainly be a scheme fit for the Jets at 10 because if if Rogers can play if you added an athletic playmaking tight end to that group uh look out they would be very difficult and Kyle Pitts was a special prospect like Bowers had more production in his freshman year than Kyle Pitts had in any of his years and then he backed it up with everyone knowing it was coming like two straight more that I don't know it should matter uh Daniel Jeremiah has him ranked number

seventh overall Bowers uh Jeremiah says and maybe we'll talk to Daniel about this reminds me a lot of George Kittle, and I see him having a similar impact in the NFL. Well, sign me up. Yeah. What are we doing here? Let's just make it happen. Connie. Okay. One more. Let me tell you a little bit about Roma Dunzee. Okay. I love him. Wide receiver from Washington, and I also picked this because he's been mocked a ton at nine to Chicago. So since I talked about Caleb, these two could actually be paired together. If Chicago stays in that spot at nine, doesn't move back. but he uh 2023 first team all american bolitnikoff finalist um he started at d end in high school before switching over to wide receiver his junior year he was an incredible sprinter on the track

team in high school won the four a state title in the 200 and the four by 100 but i loved when apparently when he was six years old he created a facebook account with all of his mom's information and for his occupation. He listed quarterback in the NFL. You got to like it. And here is. All of his mom's information?

All of his mom's information. You know what? For the sign up. Here's the email you need. All right. I was thinking something. This is resourceful in my eyes. Kind of just need the email.

Everything else. Sure. You can just. You've cleared it up. Bluff your way through. Right. Right. I haven't used Facebook in maybe 10 years.

Okay. So you create the account, but you do need an email account to go activate things. So you need to go, you have to travel off site to activate with a link, I would think. Got it.

Okay. Rome also spent summers on his grandfather's dairy farm in Utah. No, when he was younger. But he would work right alongside Grandpa Wayne on the farm. Now he was named Rome because apparently his dad just really liked the Roman Empire. That's what he had its merits. And also at Strawbacks. And he ended up going.

Definitely a thing that like guys in their mid to late 30s get fascinated. What is that? He watched a lot of 300. I would say it harkens back to, like, elements of our society that are missing certain, like, male. Gary Cooper, anybody? Rome would say, like, oh, it's a bit of a more raw time.

You're not dealing with a bunch of nonsense. Nobody's afraid to go on the roof in Rome. No. That's fair. Put me on the goddamn roof. I mean, get hit with a bow and arrow, but... Give me a sword. Give me a shield. Put me on a roof.

See, like, when I think of Rome, I'm not thinking about, like, Roman Empire and, like, gladiators and, like, fights at the Coliseum. I'm thinking about pizza and pasta. Oh, there you go. Well, they had that too. Yeah. Back then.

Quite good. So, Rome and Dunez. Just think of the last lack of, like, tooth care back then. I mean, you just had to me. Greg always does sort of like, oh, you're dead by 32. It's like, yeah, you're dead by 302. Like, four of your eight children died by the time they were two, and you had to just like bury it. Like, bury it to bury it all.

Rome Madunzee is the number three prospect, according to DJ. And he reminds him. I love him. Larry Fitzgerald, come out of college. Ooh. Give me all you got. There's an incredible stat that PFF put about it. Because, like, if you watch him, he's like, it's like, nasty, get dirty.

Get dirty with the number. Stop it, no. It's football. Don't take it somewhere else. Eric is on fire today. He caught 75% of his contested catches this past season. And when they've tracked 417 seasons, that rank six. That's good.

I want you to, can you play the Greg drop and then straight to the Spice Channel for the last time? No, give it to me. Get dirty. Get dirty with the numbers. All right, it's Bicestrack here with video 3.0-0-0. Just list the rest of the guys in the list that I like. Michael Panix, lefty quarterback from Washington. This one's really long, by the way, you said.

We completely field general, great down the field. I love it. More agreement. Give me that guy. Ricky Pearsall, slot receiver from Florida. We talked about Ricky last week. Just a monster. in the slot even though he played plenty outside which I think will help him

imagine we saw a guy running in the slot every time I saw him that's all I thought this guy's from behind with a knife slot receiver I don't want to imagine that he's going to kill you for talking over him came into Kansas as a quarterback Jason Bean after a year or two was sent a bean dog to a wide receiver and every time the quarterback got hurt he came in and played great and you know he's almost 25 late bloomer but he's also someone with a second chance at basically as a quarterback so uh like the back stories i'm root for him but he's he's big and athletic and i mean he's a good player definitely likes throwing deep too always a fan of that garrison nevis or mevis however you say it's sassy he got bad zeus this is your favorite

prospect in the in the in the in the whole draft for sure monster kicker yes so i'm kick a kick a 64 yarder uh From Missouri. So I'm a kick a 64-yarder right at the gun that cashed me a nice money line. I can't even know who they were playing. But Missouri was like... Greg got a text. Cody Schrader running back Missouri. Big Missouri day, everybody.

Ozark was a wildly over... Beautiful day in Cincinnati, by the way. You hear that? It's gorgeous. Ridiculous. But Cody Schrader was like a Division III legend. Did you guys just hear of all these records? Yeah.

like Division III Heismans and tried to come up to the Division I level. He did not get a scholarship to the very end by one team, Missouri. And he led the SEC and rushing two straight years. And man, I could be wrong about that, but I think it's something like that. And so I'm rooting for that guy for sure. And again, no bigger chip on anyone's shoulder than Cody Schrader. Keep going. All right, my last guy is Jordan Travis.

Quarterback, Florida State gets hurt. a lot, or at least suffered a catastrophic injury in his last game. Brutal. Brutal. You all right? No, no, that's not right.

But he suffered a catastrophic injury to end his season. Don't laugh at great stuff. And but he was coming along great. He was kind of like an early flop at Florida State and then started coming along great and just looking.

awesome and sort of getting that second chance at life almost too because he was he was almost left for dad like he wasn't no one was looking for him to be anything special and then he really bloomed the last two years so uh rooting for jordan travis too and he's athletic but uh man he got folded up in that last game oof uh all right that's it again i'd like to thank everybody but especially uh mark the cessman cessler cessspice forever everyone else never or most of the time it's good we waited until the end there see good programming i and i i agree thank you brad by the way he's pepper mill thank you spice rack that was incredible

jordan travis in the news by the way taking some visits at tom pellisara the palraiser mentioned but i i thought that was excellent and i like that he likes guys who have a second chance at life i think he likes the underdog story it's an angle i think that was something him and west bonded over I think Wes looked at it like a late bloomer someone who fought his way

out of where he was in life I think him sure I like that I like everything except the Ozark heat never seen it so I can't comment I mean he took it down yeah he had a I talked over his prestige television hot take

so that could be an issue for me and spicy we've had issues in the past he's gonna fume at you yeah and I see it and rightly as a sign of complete and total disrespect. I don't think that's fair. Depending on your point of view. I think that's unfair.

Not your point of view, his. But by that logic, Dan, this disrespected everyone. Not by his point of view. Can we please keep in mind, Cess Dogg,

that Spicerack being on today's program was not you, Cess Man, it was me. So what better act of respect for the Spice Rack than me having him on the program today. Because I value his input.

You could spin it away. Again, it's all comes down a point of view. It comes down a point of view. Send me a football. Yeah. All right. That's it. Thank you to the Spice Channel.

Always entertaining. We will be back on Wednesday with more football talk, more draft talk, some more guests. As we get closer and closer, Jesus, take the wheel to the 2024 NFL draft. Connie, you've said it all, and yet you have one last opportunity to say more things. That's great. I love you guys. And actually, when was the last time we were all in studio together? It feels like a minute.

So it's nice to actually be back with all three of you in studio. And no real tech diffs on my side, at least today. Locked and loaded. There we go. Miami. Connie in the studio is never a concern. She's going to give you high effort. She's going to give you quality.

always and I'll be on time what is that all right everybody thank you for listening until next time you know what you're going to do feed the call Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

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