NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - It's Elec...Trade Deadline Day!

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler are joined by Patrick Claybon to discuss the trade deadline and moves that were made (3:40). The heroes pitch trades they think that should have happened (34:05) before hitting a MNF recap between the Bucs and Giants (42:05) and previewing the TNF matchup (56:41).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Yay, football. Maybe. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis coming to you from a virtual room filled with Heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and Patrick Claibon. What is up, boys?

Oh, what is it going on? I mean, you know, big day. Trade deadline. That's it. That's it. That's it. We were, yes, today, of course, we were recording on the day of the general election for the United States of America. I had been told during one of the game telecasts this week that Tuesday was a day off for the entire NFL company.

But I have been working since 7 a.m. So that feels as if it needs to be modified to give a more thorough understanding of who is off and who is working. I still get emails from the New York office because I took the job when I lived in New York for a year and worked out of that office once a week. And yeah, I do like getting on days like today, they're like, well, if you really need to get into the building, they give you certain instructions and stuff. And I'm thinking these New York fat cats, they don't know what real work is like. at some point you made the decision to be, you know, a sports writer, someone who covers football as an adult and a blogger instead of like a corporate hack. And so corporate hacks get these days off.

We remain steadfast in our duties. They can actually get into the building, all the corporate hacks out there. We have to like email six people and demonstrate an absolute need to get into the building. And then like, it's like, are you sure? We could have somebody rifle through your things and bring them to you in a plastic bag. via FedEx in six weeks. It's like, no, I would like to have, you know, my stapler or whatever it is. NFL film sent me something on March 12th that I believe is sitting on my desk,

and I'm about to pull like Mission Impossible Tom Cruise at the top of an Asian skyscraper move to get in there. Anyway, it's worth it. You had beers on your desk, too. I mean, like, why not, you know, get those back, too? You had those beers from Germany or so. Oh, those are gone. Yeah, I saw. Oh, okay.

No, no, no more beers. Sorry, Dan. Anyway, yes, it's Election Day, and we were, I would say, firmly reminded to be civil and not, not get too hardcore in sharing that realm of our personalities and opinions. But we hope that everyone has voted. And I do remember four years ago when we did the show right after the election. That was an interesting show. Today's show is right on the eve of the election.

and yeah, there's some butterflies. Let's face it. This is going to be a wild night for this country. We were going to keep the focus on football right now. Patrick, how you doing, by the way? What's going on in the Claibon House tonight? I'm living the dream. You know, we have the child who is dealing with the runny nose,

which is DefCon 5 here in 2020. So he's hanging out with us. We'll go get the little one. And, you know, we're honestly, We're okay. We just, we're watching the results for everybody else. We got a lot of, we got a lot of family in Alabama. So we're watching there. And we're good. You know, no matter what, we got each other. And if everything goes down, you know, we had a good run. All right. Let's get into it. The trade deadline just passed as we sat down to record today. Tuesday and a bit of a dud, you could say. You had, let's see, DeAndre Washington, the Dolphins acquired that running back from the

Chiefs. You had another trade involving the Dolphins, the Patriots acquired wide receiver Isaiah Ford from the Dolphins in exchange for a 2020 seventh round pick. There were a couple other trades we could kind of dig into. Those were the deadline deals, however, a little of a bit. bummer, Greg, because I know you've tracked this for a couple of years now, that the trade deadline had heated up in recent years, and it was turning into something a little more saucy than it had been in previous decades, but no dice in 2020.

Yeah, it had been. And we saw a couple deals. We've mentioned the Carlos Dunlop deal last week, and we'll get into a couple smaller deals like Juan Alexander. But I do think the fact that you get a compensatory pick back if a good player leaves via a free agency really kills the deadline. Patra always makes this point and he's right. You get a third round pickback if like a high quality starter

leaves your team in free agency, like a Will Fuller, who I know you're going to mention Dan. And so it's like unless you're getting that third rounder back, unless you're really in a hurry because you get it a year faster if you trade it now, then it's not quite worth it. Mark, would you like to say something today?

I agree with that point. I mean, I think it's also, there are a lot of teams, because one thing that kind of gets on my nerves about the trade deadline a little bit, and it's happening on Twitter. I'm sorry that I'm always pinpointing that app, but it's everyone wanting their teams to be. It reminds me of free agency six months later. Everyone wants their teams to be super active. But for a lot of these teams, like making a picking up a veteran for what's going to be seven or eight weeks and then having to deal with what happens after, just this year specifically, doesn't feel like it made a lot of sense. Like maybe a team like the Saints, they're going for broke, but there are a lot of teams

in the middle. It's our fault, though, because it's great. It's good content, not ours, like the four of us, but just the quote-unquote media. Because we do tons of trade deadline content because it scores, you know, on TV, on the internet. There's like a month worth of trade deadline content because everyone wants to read about it. It's fun. And so then the fans get like irrationally, they get their hopes up a little much.

I guess just like eight years into me being, like, overly excited about a minor trade, I've kind of not caught off guard or swayed emotionally by that as I have been in the past. All right, let's go ahead. Well, if they didn't want people to talk about it, right? If you were a close source to a situation, then stop leaking discussions regarding Will Fuller. You know, there's just, there's only so many players that are available. And fans obviously want teams to win and personnel want to keep their job. jobs. And so there's that clash there that kind of makes things not happen sometimes. And,

you know, fans get sad, but they still, you know, the games are still coming. We hope on Sunday and they'll have something else to think about. Plus, we lost Bill O'Brien. I mean, he's always good for two crazy moves. To pour out one for Bob. Bobby. All right. So Quana Alexander, Greg mentioned, linebacker acquired by the Saints in exchange for a conditional fifth round pick and Kiko Alonzo, who I feel has been traded more than any player in the history of our league. Kwan Alexander, if that name rings a bell, but not because you saw him making a bunch of plays the last couple of years, it's because the Niners gave him a ton of money in free agency last year. And it was one of those when speaking of content mill and scoring, Greg, showing that he's the old boss by using like corporate room slang for stories that do really good metrics.

Oh, we had a big score. I don't even know if that is slang. Free agency winners and loser story. But Kwan Alexander was labeled by many as an overpay by the Niners, and they now decide to move on without him, moving him for not a ton of value. Yeah, they get a fifth round pick. And it just got me thinking, and you're right,

they paid him a lot of money last year, and he wasn't a huge contributor to their Super Bowl run. By the end, there was, you know, open question whether he should be bench because Dre Greenlaw was playing so well. So they have two good young linebackers, Greenlaw, and Warner, they don't need Alexander. been hurt a ton. He missed a lot of tackles. But it did get me thinking like how this 49ers team is going to have to transition. And, you know, we'll talk about Jimmy Garoppolo. But also D. Ford was

a guy. They spent a pick and huge money on before last year. His guaranteed money is gone after this year. I think they'll probably move on from him. They've always kind of been a high risk, high reward type of teams. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. This one didn't work because they basically are just giving them away, you know, trying to save a little money to the Saints. Well, I mean, had they had, you know, the fourth quarter gone differently in the Super Bowl, everyone in the Bay Area would not have a problem with the money spent and everything else. When you don't, when you don't, you know, finalize that Super Bowl win, the questions begin. I mean, Dan, to your point on Kiko Alonzo, he now is in his fifth city.

He has been traded endlessly. He's 32. He reminds me of the resume that I had when I was 32, where I kept moving essentially west across the country and asked, like, a family friend why I was not finding, well-paid working. He said, I'm looking at your resume, and you frankly, you look like someone on the run, which is slightly concerning to employers. But he is from Los Gatos, right outside of San Francisco, the cats, which I spent a really bizarre New Year's Eve in one time, a little Kiko Alonzo Nugget. Nice nug, bro. We've been working at NFL media long enough, Mark, that

when he was the second round pick to the bills, he had a nice rookie season with them. And people in Western New York were so depressed about the state of professional. the football that you would have thought that Kiko Alonzo was Lawrence Taylor the second. An old West favorite. Hasn't played this year. So that shows you what kind of value Alexander has. Kiko Alonzo is coming off a serious injury, has not played. All right.

Speaking of linebackers on the move, the Steelers, this happened before the deadline today. The Steelers acquired inside linebacker Avery Williamson and a 2020 7th round pick from the Jets in exchange for a 2020. to fifth round pick, Jets essentially, you know, Avery Williamson, this is kind of an example of why you don't get as bad as the Jets get without there being layers of poor decisions. I think it was three seasons ago. The Jets had DeMario Davis, who was a nice player for them in the middle of their defense. He hit free agency, and then they made the decision instead of retaining Davis,

they signed Avery Williamson away from the Titans. and Williamson had a decent first year, blew out his knee his second year, and then was kind of in the doghouse with Greg Williams in year three, and DeMario Davis is now an all-pro and one of the best rush linebackers in football. So a lot of these things have to go wrong, but the Steelers get a player here, Patrick, that can somewhat fill the void for Devin Bush, who was lost to the torn ACL a couple weeks ago.

And that was the discussion, right, pre-Devin Bush, was we need somebody who can play with speed in the middle of, middle of our defense. They lose Bush and what a fine, right? The Jets have somebody, you know, Greg Williams, of course. You have to first adhere to Greg Williams and then be successful in a system. You know, it didn't work out for Avery Williamson, who has a great bit, right, of doing things in his full uniform.

And so as soon as the trade happens, he's out there handling a cab in full uniform with an umbrella, which was great. I think it fits in. He fits in in Pittsburgh. He's going to give him that defense to be plug and play. And that's the type of thing you look for in a trade deadline, right? A team that's a certified seller that's in the seller that's not winning anything and a team that's good.

And, you know, they exchange goods and services. And it works out. I think it definitely works out for the Steelers here. We'll have to see how the Jets use those picks. They always take other guys veterans and make them look better. I guess that's coaching. Like Stephen Nelson. It's just true.

They've taken a lot of other guys free agents. You're not that excited about it. And they were like, okay, that guy's solid now that he's with Pittsburgh. They were looking at him, actually. There were whispers that when Ryan Chazir went down, they looked into him. So there's been interest in him for a while. The Titans are having all sorts of issues, getting off the field on third down. They can't rush the passer.

The secondary is inconsistent. So they acquire cornerback Desmond King from the Chargers in exchange for a 2021-6th round pick. This one, I was scratching my head a little bit trying to figure out because I know that King Greg had fallen out of favor in L.A., but he was a all-pro, slot guy, two years ago, and now he's going for a sixth-round pick. That doesn't happen a lot. And a double-all pro,

because he was an all-pro special teamer that year. That doesn't happen a lot either. I love watching Desmond King. He seems, he kind of reminds me of a better version of Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who annoys everyone he plays against. You know, he's just like a past. He's got like a ton of energy. And he was in the doghouse.

last year because of disciplinary issues, some sort of, I don't know what it was. It was always vague with the chargers, but the coaching staff and him seemed to have problems. And so that's perfect. And he's on a contract year, so they only got eight more games of them. They're not going anywhere. But it's huge for Tennessee, who's just so bad. They're historically bad on third down.

They right now are the worst team, according to Mike Sando, in recorded history on getting off the field on third down. They've only recorded that since 19. But that's like, that's amazing that they're the worst team ever. Not just the worst team this year, the worst team ever. So anything that can help is amazing. We keep saying the Titans don't have an identity on defense. That's a distinct identity.

So this threatens that identity if he comes in and makes them better. Don't you feel like we're hearing it a lot this year in 2020, various teams connected to the worst ever defense and name the category? Seems to be a thing. Yeah, somebody has to be the worst, right, in 2020. but when you look at 2020 being the best year ever for offenses, if you're worse than everybody else, you're still bad. There was a lot of competition to be the worst in 2020 at anything, though.

There's got a rich field out there. King's so versatile, though. I mean, I love watching them play in 2018. Vable and the Titans seem like, in theory, they'd be the perfect team for them, use them in a bunch of ways. And the matchmaking seemed odd, right, to, because all the teams that have secondary players that are worth trading for are still contending. So especially when you look at, say, the East, like if there's a Fuller for the football team

or for the Giants, Gettelman's Sons, blanking on his name. A Logan Radbury. Yeah, James Radbury, who he brought in as a rookie, right, to replace an all-pro and Josh Norman. he brings him back so but the problem with the east is those teams are all technically still contending so they're not they're not going to ship them and so like king going to Tennessee was maybe one of the only things that could actually happen a team that was looking to deal somebody and a team that really needed help in the secondary so I'm glad it worked out for both of yeah it feels like a good reclamation project for sure um all right moving on that's kind of

the trade deadline. It was kind of a but what are you going to do? Still a lot of fun stuff to talk about, but let's hit the rest of the news. And let's start in San Francisco. Not a fun situation for the Niners who are just I don't know. I don't want to say it because I mentioned on the show

I do the power ranking show and they have vexed me all season because they're just every time you think they're done, they rise, every time they rise and you're ready to take them seriously, they slide, but now something else has entered the picture, which is just injuries at another level

and Jimmy Garapolo will start there he has a high ankle sprain again but this is a different one and this one is worse suffered in the loss to the Seahawks in week eight Kyle Shanahan deemed it a whole new high ankle sprain it's worse than the last one he will be

sidelined four to six weeks he's been moved to injured reserve and there is a chance he needs surgery and if he needs surgery his season is over it doesn't stop there George Kittle That's the Jenga piece. That's the most important part of the San Francisco 49ers offense. After further testing, it was revealed that he had a broken bone in his foot.

It's a fracture. He is on IR. He is out eight weeks. And if you do the math, it's pretty much dunzo for George Kittle. Sessler, I don't think there's any. I usually don't say Sessler. I don't like that. I appreciate it.

People use last thing, like you've done it to me. Sometimes it always stops me in my tracks. I know. If that confuse it, when you do that, then I forget what it is I'm supposed to call you sometimes because I remember that one aspect of it really annoyed you. And I'm like, which one was it that Dan doesn't like? And then you're making your own nickname. So I don't, you know, I'm not. Yeah, Hansis is a little short. It's like something my CYO coach would call me in fifth grade if I was, you know, not getting back on defense fast

enough. That's beside the point. The Niners, they're done now, right, Mark? Well, I mean, I'm considering that, you know, just days ago on our preview show, um, on a NFL network I'll mention. I was just, you know, singing praises all over again about Kyle Shanahan being the coach that can coach around injuries better than anyone else in the league. Well, at some point, you just have to wave goodbye to the ship. And too much has happened. I don't know if someone has a hex on that team. But I mean, I think for me, the question, you have to, I mean, certainly someone like George Kittle, the new, that he is deep into the future with his team. It's fair to ask if we've seen the last of Jimmy G. And if you say that, you know,

you paid Kwan Alexander a ton of money and he gave you, what, 13? starts or something, they've given Jimmy G. 85 million for 30 starts. And he's regressed, if anything. I mean, he's, you know, he's giving you less to look at. And so I think it moves the Niners into a really pivotal offseason where are you going to hang tight with this quarterback going into next year? Or are you going to look around? Because I think it's fair to look around. Well, especially when you think of the former Kyle Shanahan quarterback to might be available. You got Kirk Cousins. It'd be tricky to trade him, but I'll never forget Mike Silver being on our network reporting that Kirk Cousins was going to be a member of the 49ers

eventually. Because it was a, you know, a unique report that basically Kyle Ceyan wanted to bring Cousins in, but he had to wait a year. And that was like in the March of 2017. And then Belichick comes calling with a guy Garapolo at a very, at a ridiculous cheap value that they weren't really looking to get. And so they take them, they take them for a spin. They win six games in a row. And it's like, okay, let's ride with Jimmy G. But it's never really been a great fit since Jimmy G tore his ACL.

Now, that's a small sample size, but you just don't get the feeling that Garoppolo is ever comfortable. So you got cousins possibly available in a trade. And you got Matt Ryan maybe possibly available in a trade, who Shanahan was smited by the football gods with two. What did Kyle Shanahan do? I mean, this whole 49ers run has been totally killed by injuries, except for last year. I mean, it's tough.

I would point to Connor Ward's notation during our, you know, special about various theories, conspiracy theories where I think it probably ties back to an offense that the Shanahan's laid on the Manning family a long time ago. I don't have any more details to that, but it's just something to look into. Yeah. It obviously is what drove Patrick Mahomes to complete that third down past the Tyreeil. Clear connection. But to Greg's point, like legitimately, so if Atlanta is near the top of the draft,

and we know Trevor Lawrence, maybe won over all of the Jets, Atlanta looking at Justin Fields, out of Ohio State, Matt Ryan's available, Zach Wilson is at BYU. So there's all these quarterbacks available. I think with there already being a quarterback backlog coming into 2020, that Jimmy G is going to be a Chicago Barrett in 2021. Like that just came to me thinking. about this podcast. How about a New England Patriot? I mean, they would give up a pick for Jimmy G. So here's the thing. Jimmy G. People think his contract's bad. It's not bad anymore. There's

no more guaranteed money. He's making about 24 a year, which is literally the cheapest veteran in the league. Like, that's what Teddy makes. And I could totally see Belichick, like, giving up a third or a fourth to get him back. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who said recently that, what is it, 35 starts is what you mean? Was it 40? 40, yeah. Interesting to me that Mark said it. Goropoulos made 30 starts for the 49ers, but it's been over four years now. And it's like, at a certain point, you have to factor in the durability to all this as well. And Patrick, you made the point of Tyreek Hill, or was it Sammy Watkins down the sideline that changed the Super Bowl?

You can pick either one. Yeah, either more. But sports is funny. I just pulled it up on YouTube because it's a moment that will live on in infamy for the 49ers, 133 to play. Emmanuel Sanders beats the corner, beats the safety, has a step, and Jimmy G misses them by three yards on what would have been the touchdown that would have given them the lead back with 90 seconds to play. Do they hold on to win that game either way?

I don't know, but it's just that sports. And no one's talking about Jimmy G coming or going if he hits on that pass to Sanders. But we'll see what happens next. Haba, hubba, hubba. Love quarterback drama. Moving on. Man, what a rough week for the. Ravens. You blow a 10-point lead to the Steelers. Lamar Jackson looks like you have, I don't think I

could say that. You lose Ronnie Stanley or left tackle for the year. And then Marlon Humphrey, or all pro corner announces that he has contracted the coronavirus. And as a result, seven close contacts of Humphrey, that from Tom Pelliserro added to the COVID-19 list. Just a very tough situation and COVID is it's really, the wave is coming. I mean, it's been a rolling wave in this country and this world for months now, but in the

NFL realm, you feel like it's, there's a tidal wave building here. Well, it's back to, you know, June where we kept saying, if it's happening in the country, it's going to be happening in the NFL and we're at record numbers now in the country. So I am

concerned, obviously, not just about everyone who's contracting the virus but just just the how likely it is to finish 16 games for all these teams it seems to get tougher each week now when it comes to the ravens now we've become experts that we know that these close contacts have five days to get off of it which in you know if you do the math they could all be eligible to play on Sunday except for Humphrey um but we'll have to wait and see yeah certainly more yeah go ahead Mark no go ahead I was just going to say certainly more concerned about the virus as Greg mentioned when you're nearing 100,000 cases a day

those are going to exist in football. They're going to exist in the Postal Service everywhere, where people are out and they're around people. But in terms of concerns, losing Stanley definitely hurts. But, you know, they lost the game on a Monday night to the defending champions, and then there's the only undefeated team in the league, and there's an incompletion in literally the very last play of the game. I'm not super concerned going back to 72, not like teams win every game.

So I still think this Baltimore Ravens team, you know, is a real problem for the AFC. I mean, you look at the players that if, for instance, this five-day window doesn't get, they don't get out of this five-day window, you've got five linebackers that are being sequestered right now. Or put it, you know, quarantine, sequestered isn't the incorrect term. I mean, that's, that would be very problematic. I mean, football in general, they are luckier than the skies that these games in general happen every seven days for these teams. because this is the kind of thing that would wreak ultra havoc if football happened every three or four days. You've got full position groups right now, no matter whether they play or not, they will not practice all week.

And now that probably for some teams is lesser of an issue for the Ravens than it would be for others. But that is an inequality. And these inequalities have added up for certain teams, but we kind of forget about it. We're just looking at the win-loss record. I mean, it's messy, and there is a little bit of an ominous aura to it as well. Well, we have two months remaining in the regular season, right? Look at MLB. I know they played in the summer, and it's a different situation with COVID.

They survived the regular season by the skin of their teeth without using a bubble. As soon as the playoff hits, they got inside a bubble, and they were able to get through the season without any COVID issues until the Justin Turner incident in the deciding game of the World Series. So almost perfect, but not quite there. I guess I'd be kind of shocked if they don't have some type of bubble situation in a play. place at some point the season. It feels like as my mom would say, you're spitting in the scoy and waiting for something terrible

to happen. What does that mean? Well, you don't spit in the sky. You don't say things. You don't put things out there in the universe that you don't want to come back on you. The accent got me. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't sound like the sky. I think of it was

like a... My mom doesn't talk like that either, but I like to enhance the Queen's accent. Don't spit in the sky. All right. Other COVID news, Cowboys plays Andy Dalton on the COVID list. You've got to be kidding me. Thankfully, according to a Todd Archer report, he's not, oh, he's not asymptomatic. That is not a good choice cluster of words.

I misread that. That means he has symptoms, right? If you're not asymptomatic, that's correct. Just say he has symptoms. What are we doing here? Anyway, bad news for Dalton, who it could not have been going worse, his cowboy season, plays poorly, Ben gets concussed and now has the COVID. So Ben Danucci, you would think we'd get another start,

but now we're hearing that he was so poor on Sunday night football that they might be bringing somebody off the street to start that game. The Cowboys are absolutely in the running for the number one overall pick. And they're playing the Steelers. So whoever you put out there is not going to be thankful for the opportunity, I would imagine. Are they in the running, though? I mean, the Jets got to win two games.

I feel like the Jets are as much in the running. for 0 and 16. Well, no, the Jets are the leader in the clubhouse, but if you are sitting on, they have two wins, right, and do you see another win on the schedule? No, they're defunct essentially. It could be tough. It could be tough. I would have been with you, Greg, before I saw the

Ben Danucci game on Sunday night. It did not inspire confidence. Two and 14 is on the table, although they do have, you know, games in this terrible division left, but a two and 14 is very on the table. I guess I would,

But if we were going to do a sandwich, I'd put the Jets final record right at 1 in 15 probably would be my choice. Well, you also don't need like, you don't need the number one overall pick to be in, you know, a gold position come draft day. It does go back. I think we talked about it last week. We're throwing out different theories for some silly game we were doing. What if the Cowboys have an opportunity to bring Justin Fields or some other hot shot into their building? Would they have the gall to hit a complete reset? I mean, hold on.

Jerry Jones was into Johnny Mansell when Tony Romo was the quarterback. So I would put nothing past it. They said all the right things. And they always say all the right things. But if suddenly that opportunity for Trevor Lawrence came to the Dallas Cowboys, yes, they would consider it heavily and probably go in that direction, I think. They say the right things unless you're Ben Danucci. Poor guy, if he was listening to Dallas radio this morning,

Heard is the owner, his owner, Jerry Jones, saying that, well, this guy just wasn't ready for it. You know, he's just burying Danucci, as if Danucci is the biggest part of their problems. Could you even imagine if you miced up the luxury suite during that game? Like, who's the guy that cleans his glasses, Stephen Jones? He goes, that boy ain't ever starting another game for the star. You hear me? That boy is done. What's the skit with the shining the glasses business?

That's that, they're fine with that? Okay. Well, he did. That happened. That was not Stephen Jones, by the way. It's like the other offshoot child. If Ben Danucci starts a other game, they're absolutely in the running for Trevor Lawrence.

It is in their mission statement. If Ben Danucci seized a football field again. Was it the Eric Trump of the Jerry Jones family? It was a great. I thought it was a grandson, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was a son-in-law. All right. Let's please.

Let's move on. Let's cover our tracks here. All right. Another COVID, one last COVID thing to share. Hopefully another one doesn't pop up by the end of the show. But yes, Bronco's general manager, John Elway and CEO Joe Ellis, tested positive for COVID-19. Rapsheet reported that the team is confident. The virus transmissions happened outside the team facility.

But who knows? John Elway is 60 years old. Joe Ellis is 61. I mean, that's not in a, not's not in the zone of, hey, you're young and fresh and you're fine. be concerned about this stuff. I mean, it's getting all over the place. I mean, some of the college players who are talking about how long it took to get rid of some symptoms, some of the, some of the pretty common mental side effects that you're a little foggy, you know, for maybe months afterwards. That concerns you when you got quarterbacks who

had it and, you know, things like that. It didn't get a lot of attention, but Raikwell Armstead of the Jaguars is out for the year because he was hospitalized twice with COVID. That was a guy who might just started a running back for the Jaguars. And so it's all a lottery. It sucks. And once you make the decision to play and not opt out, then whatever happens with you, COVID-wise, is just kind of on you.

And so that was, that's my concern, is what incentive is there for a player to report symptoms? If you have symptoms and you're just going to be out and potentially maybe your career could be in question. So Marlon Humphrey had symptoms last week, was out a day, didn't test positive, and then was back practicing with his team for two days and then played in the game. So that shows everyone can be doing everything right. No one's at fault there, but there's no right answer. Right.

And not to belabor, but he's one of the guys that they do the test on Sunday. You don't get the result till Monday. And he went into the game, having been positive for Corona. That's not that far from the Dodgers scenario, right? I mean, that just is very murky. And it's like, we're going to press on. We're going to play all these games. But you are talking about, like, the health of your players and coaches.

Honestly, how did we get here? Imagine if you were, imagine it's 2017. The four of us are doing the podcast. And then somebody showed up and like, here's a tape of the November 3rd, 2020 show, including the top of the show discussion, by the way. So let's take this back to about 2015. Imagine. it's just it's mad that the world that we live in and habit it's i would say like mark you just

don't age love the shirt you're just you just don't age i know you are older but you know thanks well it's you know i'm you know these are methods that didn't exist back in 2015 that i'm using right unbelievable all right um all right so there's the update of everything that's going on in the league before we get to monday night football curious boys um with the trade downline now in the rearview mirror. If you have any trades that you think should have happened, and I'll start here, Will Fuller should be on the Packers right now. This one made sense to me. There was reports, there was smoke around this. Fuller is on an expiring contract. He's a veteran that will command pretty good money, you would think, on the open market. The Texans are a team that is

neither a team of the present or the future as things currently stand. So anything to recoup some draft assets you would think would be something they'd be interested in. And for the Packers, man, you know, you watch that game on Sunday and it just reminds you as Dalvin Cook rips them apart that they have a lot of the same problems on defense that ended their season last year. And you might not be able to fix that in a trade deadline or not have anybody out there that you feel comfortable going after.

So why not do the next best thing, and you have Aaron Rogers playing at, you know, all pro levels, go get him another big time weapon and see if you can just outscore your problems. I think your window is finite with Rogers. He's doing it in a big way this year. Why not just go for it? Because I know you have Alan Lazard and I are, and I guess he's coming back at some point. But Marcus Valdes Scantling is 115 out of 117 on the graded wide receivers for PFF. I mean, that was an obvious area of upgrade it and would have made the Packers terrifying because Fuller's been healthy and very good for the Texans this year.

But apparently, according to reports, there was a disagreement internally with the Packers about what he was worth, Fuller, because he is an injury risk. He is a guy you have to then resign. Do you want to give up a mid-round pick? I assume maybe a second or third for a guy that might not stick around or might not stay healthy. I get it, but it was worth the risk to me. here's the thing they just they just used the second round pick on a guy who's not even playing and so like i who j j dillon yeah j dillon and then jordan love is the first round pick and so

i i i understand that you want to maximize value but how many years of aaron rogers does the team have left with your draft pick you said that it's not that many so why not i saw like we all sat there and watched allan lzard wide open catch a ball he ran a great route but he got chased down from behind he just he doesn't have that type of speed will fuller does and i'm sure he's an injury risk everybody on earth is an injury risk that's why we're doing these shows from home because everybody's an injury risk i don't understand that logic i'm with you dan uh this this is a trade that should have happened i i am fine with the packers not making this move i i just when you watch the packers of course you are gregg no usually i want

them to make a move, but when you watch the Packers, lack of receivers really seems pretty low on their needs. They are a great passing attack. They were a great passing attack last week. They were extremely efficient throwing the ball. Lazzard will get back. Like, yes, I would love to have Will Fuller, but then you've got to give them the franchise tag or sign them long term. And so unless you're willing to do that, I don't think that's, I don't think it's like a huge like move for them for for eight weeks and i and i don't like the fact i don't like the argument that they draft they they drafted poorly uh in terms of a j dylan it looks like and and love they're not getting anything out of if if love has a 20 percent chance of being the top 10 quarterback that

was a great pick they have two first round picks a year ago you don't see anyone like going crazy because rashon gary and darnell savage gives them nothing week after week i mean savage is just there gary gives them it's like that's what you usually get with your picks so it's like I don't mind. Take a chance at a quarterback. Get your defense better. Carry that Goody Water. Greg has been on the phone with Goody, I think. And they're getting along.

They already did that stuff, though. That's my thing. They've already got their quarterback, right? So use a pick. Use a three, use a two, whatever. And it wasn't, take a shot. It sounded like it was going to cost the two. It was not just that they didn't use a first or second.

They waited until the sixth round to take a defensive player. After you got run out of the building in the playoffs against Rahim Oster. the Niners. I don't know, and that's all ancient history now. My point was, yes, Greg, is their offense, passing offense especially, very good right now? Yes, but would it have made them better with Will Fuller? I think so, and why not?

But they have their reasons. All right, who's got one? Who else got one? I've got one. I want the Cowboys to step up because Mark, you know, tweeted out. They're in primetime a couple more times. They're in 425. I mean, poor Nancy and Romo are going to do Cooper Rush starting this week.

That's the Cowboys player who, I guess, is probably going to start. That's not a person. It's a real person. I saw him in training camp once. At one point, he was in a battle with Kellynne Moore. How about that? Helen Moore should start. There's your sign.

Yeah. Here's what they should do. You know, Jerry Jones got into the Hall of Fame, you know, for doing things for the good of the league, like making the league more money, essentially. You know, the NFL's famous for doing things for the good of the league. how about you go trade for James Winston for the good of the league? And so when we're watching the Cowboys, it's just a little more fun to watch. Just do it for the 27 million, or it's like 35 million people watching on Thanksgiving. Let's watch James Winston.

Who knows, you might even win some games and win this terrible division anyways. I'm sure the Saints would give them away for very little, just for the entertainment value. James Winston, Greg, is coming off a season where he's through 30 interceptions. Now you're going to trade them in the middle of the season and say, learn this playbook in a week and you're going to be entertaining you can't tell me they wouldn't be way better with yeah i mean what's the worst thing that can happen what's it go do throw a pick okay give up a fourth a fourth for the good of the league seriously the amount of people if you did the math it's probably like 400 people are going to be watching

cowboys games nationally for the rest of the year just do it why you giving up a high it's going to be a high fourth round pick right right a fifth whatever the saints should be fine with that one year like damn near one month it's out of the box i'm only down on your trache because you're down on mine great uh patrick you got one yeah i got one the denver broncos send kareem jackson to cleveland uh for a third round pick uh he's got an out in his contract that basically is only going to be about a two million dollar cap hit next year uh you get a productive veteran player that gives joe woods another piece to play with they can do a lot of things, move around, be versatile in the secondary. I'm not saying give up, right, on

Andrewsend Dejo or any of the other guys in the secondary, but you get another piece, because, like, let's be honest, like, how many years of Cleveland Brown's contending do you really get? So, yeah, move in Joku for whatever pick you want to take the place, add another piece in the secondary while you've got Miles Garrett playing in a defensive player at the year level. And just, just see what you can do. You know, you've, got this kind of neutered offense right now. Maybe you get chubbed back and you become like this defensive team that can try to do something. You know, make a run. We added a playoff spot. Let's do it. I like the idea because they're in their byweek. So you'd have time to acclimate that

works in the COVID, you know, waiting window that business. Their front office seemed like just completely intent not to do anything, but especially at safety where I mean, Sendejo has been a huge liability actually, week after week. I thought they might go after Anthony Harris. of the Vikings, you know, there are some shared DNA ties with Stefanski and others, and he would have fit in well, but they were very inactive. Well, I don't know. I'm not shared DNA in terms of career, Dan. I mean, that's how we use that on the show. I don't know how you use it. You explain how you, why that got you up in arms. I don't think it was the arms. Yeah, Mike's cutting out. I can't. I can't expand. I'm fine.

Oh, that was it. Sorry. It's my train two basic. Literally no reaction. You know, a guy drops one or a cell sound bite and the whole thing goes off the reels. I like it. Kareem Jackson is a beast.

Watching him last week just laying out chargers, it was like, sometimes it's unsafe to be around Kareem Jackson. Like he was putting people in the hospital last week. All right. Mark, close it up. I will give you a quick thing with no, with literally no analysis at all. Alden Smith to the Seahawks, I could just see it.

But this is what kind of stuck with me if you really wanted to shake things up for two teams that still believe in themselves. And these are two teams that are playoff hopefuls but have major identity issues. It is the bears and the Eagles. So what you do

is you switch coaching staffs from top to bottom, okay? Doug Peterson goes to New York and he's paired back again with Nick Foles. Matt Nagy and also to Chicago. Sorry, Doug Peterson goes to Chicago and he gets Nick Foles. Matt Nagy and Andy Reid offshoot also goes to Philly.

Both staffs, I think, get a massive fresh start. Jim Schwartz gets a good Bears defense. Chuck Pagano, a good Philly defense. Wentz and Foles need some life. They need some new activity. And they're invariably going to meet in the playoffs with now flipped opposing coaching staffs. That's how you turn the Eagles in the playoff scenario into something. that has a lot of bizarre storylines, I would watch that game.

Let's just trade the teams themselves, right? Just switch the uniforms. Well, because my problem is, like, Matt Nagy with the Bears is killing me. But if maybe he goes just, you give him a whole new world. Seems like a rough trade for the Eagles. You trade a guy with a statue outside and Jim Schwartz for Matt Nagy. I don't know. Well, they already traded a guy with a statue outside.

I thought you were going to say, just how about trade Wentz for Foles in like a first round pick. Now that would be saucy. That's interesting too. I like that. That is a lot. Well, I never thought, like if Wence got traded, a mid-first round pick with that, I'd feel it'd be a multiple.

It doesn't seem like enough, but I'm just. Maybe a first and a second. It's been a bad year for cars and months. We'll get into that more on the Thursday preview show. All right, let's hit some Monday Night Football. Looking for the tie. Two-point conversion. Shotgun.

Jones looks to his right, throws to his right, and it is broken up, trying to hit Lewis flag down. Antoine Winfield thought he won the battle, penalty marker on the play. And here is the cold. There is no foul for defensive action appearance on the play. Yeah! It's over. The buccaneers hold on. But, you know, you could take Tom Brady out in New England.

He's still going to catch the brakes. You know, Antoine Winfield, Jr. goes streaking across the end zone, knocks away the two-point attempt from Daniel Jones. Ball was a little bit behind his intended receiver and a little bit late. But that was the nature of this game, 2523. Bucks beat the Giants at the Meadowlands, a game where I think a lot of people were surprised that the Buccaneers didn't just roll up the Giants. But New York's been shown a little bit of fight the last couple weeks,

but they keep on getting beaten a heartbreaking in fashion. And Mark, this game, without it turning into a complete pile on here, but this game really is different if Daniel Jones is just competent. If he hits on a couple of open throws downfield, if he makes the right decision with a ball when the pass rushes on him, if he even makes that throw on time on the two-point conversion, the Giants have an upset win,

but instead you're left wondering about whether he is the guy in New York. Yeah, and Dan, I know that you text with Giants fans, back east regularly. I do the same with a great friend of mine. And like, we were just, it's a roller, it's a human roller coaster ride with Daniel Jones because for a couple minutes, we were texting about how you've got to go get another quarterback. Forget the 40 game rule because 40 games puts you week 12 of next season. And I just think this is who Daniel Jones is. But then a couple minutes later, he does something that kind of makes you think, wait a minute, he is a special athlete when he's on. There was this one, I mean, there's a bad play

where I thought that, and they pointed it out, that he missed. what would have been a clear touchdown on one side of the field, and he whips it in the other direction, interception, Carlton Davis. We saw the miss balls deep, but then we saw at the fourth quarter, the way that he made connections and converted third and fourth downs that gave me a little bit of hope.

So ultimately, I'm left utterly confused. I really think that Joe Judge gave me an idea that I stick with Joe Judge. There's something about him and what he does for the Giants that they've not had under their previous coaches. But with Daniel Jones, I'm left befuddled as to what to say about him other than I think he is this hot and cold roller coaster ride. Where's the highs, though?

I mean, they were there last year. There were from beautiful throws. No. Here and there, but not enough. Not last night. Not last night. That was a disaster. And they were giving them a lot of credit for that last drive.

It reminded me so much of the Sam Darnoldstein ghost game. Because Jones was like kind of begging to just be pulled out of the game or for it to end. That last drive was a nightmare. He almost threw four interceptions on that drive alone. There was the fourth down play, and this is the play where it killed me, where he event, they picked up the fourth down, but there's three guys rushing. There's absolutely no one around him, and he just starts running around, almost runs into the sack, totally panic, doesn't wait for guys to get open, and he's just not there.

And kind of like the seeing ghost game, it's the game that got me thinking like, oh, this might now this might not happen. This might not work. I was very high on Daniel Jones coming into this year because I did see the highs last year, but I'm not seeing it now. Whether it's confidence or what it is, he's so scrambled mentally and mostly physically too. It's not like he's been accurate, which is what you would want out of him. It was tough. Like if they had a better backup, I think it would not hurt to give him a week or two off. And people were wondering, Greg, I saw your tweet about the third down, and we exchanged tweets about what Jason Garrett was calling on third downs. And it's probably hard to call plays for Daniel Jones when we talked about James.

Daniel Jones is basically James Winston in his willingness to give the ball to the other team. And you want to pinpoint the highs, but the problem is, like, it's, you know, the scores at the end of the game are cumulative, right? The seven points in the first quarter is the same as seven points in the fourth quarter. And, Dan, you mentioned the throw to Slayton. Like, if you take out the Derek Carr pass to Henry Ruggs over the weekend where like a Gale Force wind blew it 40 yards out of bounds, that was the worst pass attempt all week. Slaten's running wide open. It's probably a touchdown. He just airmails it's nowhere close from a clean pocket.

And it's just you have to be able to succeed in those circumstances. And he just, he didn't. I mean, I'll say this, because I know where Mark's coming from on this, too, because he knows Daniel Jones is fully aware that he's having a bad game. And he knows he's in prime time and he knows his pressure starting to build on him with maybe internally in the organization and certainly with the fans that root for the Giants. It showed me a little something that he kept coming and didn't completely fold up the tent. The touchdown pass to Golden Tate was a beautiful throw.

I think he does have the skill set. But I think it's a confidence thing more than anything else right now, where he was trying to just make things happen. And, you know, that's a rookie or a young quarterback mistake. So I don't want to completely write them up. But the Giants are kind of starting to edge now into that territory of the Jets, only it's a year sooner where it's like, all right, there are things we like about this kid.

And there are things that make us super nervous. And we might be picking number one or number two in this draft. That's a tough spot for the Giants and whoever is making the decisions. It won't be Dave Gettelman. Well, you're not going to let the Jets and probably Washington go select franchise quarterbacks while Dave Gettelman takes a right guard. I mean, if you have the opportunity to upgrade and they're going to upgrade. Well, Gettelman is not going to be there if they're in the top three of the draft, right?

Right. I'm not sitting here telling you that I'm not saying you Daniel Jones is this like he's going to correct all these problems. Did I see a couple good throws last night? Do I see someone that can make all the throws but seems completely confused and is in an offense where he's losing confidence? Yes. But am I going to, like, say that he is not on any level, like, athletically fit to be a pro quarterback?

I won't say that. Like, I did see some good things. But I don't think he's in a very functional offense, first of all. And I don't know if he's got the coaching around. The coaching did an awesome job last night. The running game was awesome. They were playing the number one. So you're basically, you're done with Daniel Jones at this point.

You're done with him based on your analysis. I went in super high, but I think he's imploding. I mean, he's the worst quarterback in the league right now. So you've got to do something about right now. This team is competitive. I just mean of like a regular starter coming into the year. Him and Darnold would be the two picks. He's lost right now.

And you have to figure a way out of that. I mean, that game was won a million times by their receivers and their offensive line played well and their defense played great. The only reason they lost that game was because of Daniel Jones. It was a tough game for him. There's no doubt about that. On the other side of the ball, the bucks, I think it's, you know, I kept them, for instance, at number three behind the Steelers

and Chiefs in the power rankings this week. And then people are getting Omni, oh, they barely beat the Giants and all this stuff. This is a long season in our league. And what happens is every once in a while, you don't play so hot, but if you're a good team, you still find a way to win. So, yes, should you be a little disappointed that they were kind of sleepwalking through this game and maybe those Danny Dimes interceptions are the only. the reason they didn't sleepwalk straight to a loss? Sure, but they won, so I kind of give

him a pass, and I'm still hyper-confident and high on them as they head into a huge Saints matchup on Sunday night. And they're only going to get better. You know, as much as the broadcast discussed, Antonio Brown, he's still, the reason he's coming to the game is because he's a good football player. So they're going to get better on offense. Goblin may get back. They'll be really scary. And Todd Bowles, the job that he's done with the defense. They're just a really good football team or a really solid football team that's going to be a problem in January to somebody. I mean, and Gronk is becoming a better factor week after week. I mean, I questioned three weeks ago if he would be, and he's scored multiple times.

You could see Brady going for him. And they bench, they essentially bench Rojo, Ronald Jones, and Fournette. Well, I don't think Fournette's anything great at all. But, I mean, they've got a couple guys that can use Scotty Miller's picking it up. And like, you know, not to go back to Daniel Jones, but their defense is. one that's going to confuse quarterbacks. Their secondary has 65, they have 65 points off takeaways this year. That's second in the league.

I mean, this is one of the few defenses you can count on to mess up the other side of the ball. Yeah, I think I'm with you, Dan, that I'm not worried about that game last night. I think the Giants have played sneaky good for a while, almost the whole season. They've looked like a better, more competitive team overall, and it was not the Buck's best night. Brady's been, you know, had some tough days against. against Patrick Graham. I've said it a few times. I think the Patriots dynasty ended in week 17 last year when Graham came in there and with Flores helped cook up Brady pretty good mentally as the coordinator of the Dolphins. And he had Brady a little confused. They're not the same

without Chris Godwin. I do think you saw possibly one little problem with this team last night is the loss of Vita Vaya starting to show up because their biggest weakness. It's amazing this is their biggest weakness is their past rush. On paper, it looks good, but JPP and in Shaq Barrett really aren't having great years. And opposing quarterbacks have a lot of time. And it's an aggressive defense, so you can try to beat them over the top. I mean, every team's got some issues. But I think that's something other NFC teams, like the Packers, for instance, with a great O line, a great quarterback, can maybe take advantage of if they ever got a rematch. I did think it was an interesting commentary, a commentary on Daniel Jones from Bruce Ariens that he was able to like put Rojo in

the doghouse while Fournett was kind of being inconsequential. I think he ended up with like 3.8 yards for carry. I think that was Bruce Ariens saying I can, I can still punish this guy and not play my guy who's been tearing up the league because I'm not super worried about the Giants here. And he should be fair. There. All right, there you go. By the way, the Monday night Football Telecast. I have a couple takes. I have one take and Greg,

you mentioned something before the show. I love the graphics. I love the visuals of Monday Night Football. ESPN's done a nice job. It looks very clean. Way into that. So after a couple of years of that telecast getting killed, I just want to say, I like

that. I even like the dopey little graphic things with like when they had Breeze and Brady on the seesaw with Peyton Manning, that computer graphics. I'm into that. So I just want to, say, I'm enjoying the visual

of Monday night football, even if I didn't enjoy the grease man, Brian Greasy with the following quote, Tom genuinely wants to see guys succeed. I truly believe that. And he's doing the same thing with Antonio Brown. Put it on the Greasman.

I don't want to speak of the famed Cessler Greasy incident that may have colored my relationship with Brian Greasy as a broadcaster. But there was the moment where Daniel Jones basically pegs Winfield in the back on the two-point conversion that would have tied the game, and Greasy's like, Tom Brady's a winner.

And I'm like, was Tom Brady over there using a mind trick to force Daniel Jones that throw a horrible pass? So, of course, I joke about it. And I've got angry Brady defenders assuming that I'm maligning the greatest time. I know. Why did Greg get on you like that? That was amazing. No, Greasy, Greasy, a former teammate of Tom Brady, so not totally unbiased.

guy. And last night, there's a lot to praise Tom Brady about. Last night was not his best game or the passing game's best game. It was the defense setting them up. Like, it's okay to call a spade of spade. And I think they've been doing that. I've been enjoying this Monday night crew more as the season's going along. I think they're getting their footing. They're put in a tough spot. You know, it's a new crew. A lot of eyes on them. I think they're getting more comfortable. It's a solid watch. I mean, I think that in the past, these guys were given years. I think when, like, Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreet did week one, and my notation was, I know these guys are a one-week thing for pros, and then they're going to go back to college, but they've been doing it so long that they just had this natural chemistry. And asking these three-man booths to come in and have that right away is a big ask. And it's also happening in a terrible environment where, like, you know, Steve Levy's trending after the game.

Everyone's trend. You say one false word, and you're getting killed. That said, you're announcing Monday Night Football. The rope is short. I mean, so you better find that chemistry quick. We've got to check it with Andrew Marchand of the New York Post, who is, I find him to be the greatest media reporter out there on Twitter right now. He found out about stuff that happens at our shop before we do. Yeah, so he's been on our show and his brother's a listener, so that's cool, too.

We love the whole Marchand clan. I want to see if they're still looking at this team as a rental. until they can go get some high-profile talent or if they're getting a legit audition right now. We love that stuff. We talk about it typically in the off-season, but a little nug there, a little combo on an election day in 2020.

Before we say goodbye, Thursday night football, let's turn our attention now to week nine. Here we are, all the way to week nine. And we hit it's Packers at Niners on a short week, obviously for both teams. And we talked about the Niners, plenty here. And the tough situation they're in now, the schedule is really an uphill climb, and now they don't have their quarterback or their best player on the field.

They already lost their best defensive player in Nick Bosa a couple of weeks ago. So the Niners are in a lot of trouble. What do you think about this game, Mark, the Packers coming off a disturbing loss in their own right on Sunday? I think the biggest news item is that Corona's hit this game, too. that there's, you know, Rappaport, Ian Rappaport mentioned that there's pessimism Aaron Jones will play because of this calf injury.

They don't have A.J. Dillon because of a positive Corona test, Jamal Williams and Kamal Martin. Jamal Williams, another running back is a high risk close contact. So you've got Tyler Irvin and Dexter Williams in the backfield. They have a combined 15 carries in the NFL. That worries me less than if it was a Ben Danucci being rolled in

because running back sometimes just to be able to kind of make it work. but again, it's another game that we're not, you know, six weeks from now, we won't look at the result and remember some of these positive tests, but it impacts an offense, and I think they've missed Darren Jones a little bit. I mean, and they're certainly going to, Jamal Williams has stepped in and been pretty good, but to take them both out, I mean, that's not, they want to be able to run the ball, and then you're really compromised on that front. Right.

If Jimmy G. and Piddle were in this game, I'd pick the 49ers, just because I think the matchup is so perfect against this run defense that, of the Packers, that everyone just is crushing petting for with good reason. It's a perfect matchup for Kyle Shanan to kind of have one of those scheme games. I wouldn't surprise me if the 49ers, the zombie 49ers, still find a way to win some of these games down the stretch. They always do. Right.

He can come up with a scheme game in the right matchup. But now it's not just Jimmy Jean. Nick Mullins is going to start. It's weird that I think losing Kittle and Debo, and Debo Samuel is indeed out for this game again, is bigger even than losing Jimmy G to Mullins because then it's just there's not enough things. You also don't have most dirt in Tevin Coleman in the running game either, but there's just not enough things. And you could even argue like over the course of this season, losing Bosa Ford and then Buckner, who they traded,

has been a bigger impact on the 49ers than any of these offensive injuries because they just don't have a pass rush that can scare you anymore. And you would think against Aaron Rogers and this Packers offensive line, then that spells doom. And what Cald-Sanahan does so much is maximize the talent, right? But when you use the talent, right? So how does it be like, how many reverses can Brandon Ayuk run? And I really think, honestly, like the broken foot that Debo came back from. He came back so fast from it. We've seen other guy.

We've seen Des, Sammy Watkins in the past, lose whole seasons to that. I was surprised Debo came back. He looked at a step slow. So they've been going through it. So it's hard to not pick, you know, the Packers in this revenge situation against the team that just demolished them, just ran right over them. They had no answers for in the playoffs. You know, if I believed in looking ahead to an opponent, I guess I would call that here. I don't think that happened.

I think Dalvin Cook just dominated them. But, I mean, that's what happened to the playoffs. They got ran over. It's just, you know, is Michael Hastie going to run over this team to the extent that Donald Cook? I bet it'll be close. I really bet it'll be close. I don't know what they're saying in the desert right now, but I would not surprise me.

They're saying we want to make money. They're saying we're going to tell you whatever we say that's going to make money. Packers have their problems, too. They're not quite getting the same juice up front from the Smith brothers, who are not brothers. You know, they're not quite, they're not a perfect team either. I would have loved to see this game with everyone healthy. It's annoying.

You know, Greg, every Smith, though, is a brother on some level because at one point someone named Smith was the first Smith that's fair well and we're all if you really want to look at it

especially now in this moment of time we're all brothers you know we all bleed red hopefully I've never felt closer to you then well that's so you know by the way Claybon you are

obviously a voice of reason typically on social media with you know things like sports cliches but I will not be here and stand down, as you say, that trap games don't exist. Trap games absolutely exist. And for you to casually assert that they don't minutes ago, that will not stand on this show with me. It was a minute and 26 seconds ago, and yes, trap games are not a thing.

You play the people that you're playing against and nobody, like a ball's not in the air and you're like, wow, I got Calvin Johnson next week. It's not literal. You're going to be the subconscious. It's a subcont in the mind. Benny Danucci is done in Texas. That Yankee never steps foot in Jera World ever again. That happened in the luxury suite. Poor guy.

That's why he's not playing. It's okay, Ben. Back to Bay Ridge with Benny Danucci. Danucci should be shining the glasses. I found him a roll right there. You got a job. I bet he could make about 130 grand a year. Shined in the glasses.

I'll shine the glasses if that's what the going price is. All right, good stuff. Patrick Claibon. You're a prince. Beards looking very sharp as well right now. That would probably be my reaction to us doing this show in 2015. It would be like, I have a beard. I can do that.

That's the big takeaway. Yes, we'll be back on Thursday. The world's going to be a little bit different or exactly the same. We shall see. But thank you. to everyone for listening. And Ricky Hollywood, how are you, by the way? I've been noticing you because I could see you when you're just, you know, producing.

You're lounging on the bed today. You're petting the dog. It didn't seem like you're paying that close attention. But at the same time, I know you're a woman that can multitask. So maybe you were. Yeah, I've been paying great attention. Great show. That's exactly like someone says when they weren't paying attention.

You guys nailed it. Good stuff. signing off for Ricky Hollywood, the great Ricky. And make sure you check it out. I hope you've got to pin down your profile, I'm sure. Ricky, your amazing article that came out last week on NFL.com. Out and proud in the NFL. Patrick Claibon, the Quiet Storm, the old boss, until Thursday.

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