NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jalen Hurts Extension + Wheel-O-Matic Randomizer for Team Needs

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon bring you all the latest news from around the league, starting with Jalen Hurts' new contract (3:51). Budda Baker and DeAndre Hopkins both made Cardinals news over the weekend (14:03), and Dalvin Cook could be released by the Vikings (18:48). Then, we spin the Wheel-O-Matic Randomizer to discuss various teams' biggest needs entering the 2023 NFL Draft (26:32).  Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast, every day is leg day. Just touch these cats. From the Chris Wesleying podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. I am Dan Hansis. I have heroes here. Greg Rosenthal. Patrick Claibon.

And if you are a music fan and you're tuning into this podcast for the first time, to hear Mark Sessler's boots on the ground take on the Frank Ocean surprise set clothes or at Coachella this weekend. We regret to inform you that he is not here today. Tune back in Wednesday for those takes on Ocean from Coachella. Was Mark aware of Frank Ocean who Frank Ocean was before this weekend? I don't know. Was he there? We'll find out.

turn. I was, there were a couple Easter eggs there on Instagram including the shot in front of the wheel. And once you see somebody's at Coachella, it's like the shot in front of the big Ferris wheel, that's it.

That's the one. That's like if you go to Paris, you get the shot in front of the Eiffel Tower, you do the Ferris Ferris wheel. I've never been. I haven't been yet. Yeah, as I Google. Let's see what it is. Oh, it's literally a Ferris wheel.

All right. We have a bunch of 20-somethings behind the glass. Like, raise your hand if you've gotten a photo in front of the Ferris wheel. Go ahead. Yeah, stapled it. There she is. Why sheepishly? Like, stand on it.

All right. So, how is everybody? Great. I'm glad that I was able to spend a little extra time with you guys today. It was a solid weekend. We were delayed. And we were able to have discussions and fellowship, and it was good. And I appreciate Zumwalt, who does the drop at the beginning of the show,

noticing the work I've done on my cabs. Unbelievable. I'm not jogging at like a pretty slow pace or lazily biking for 30 minutes at a time while I watch TV for nothing. It's for the babes. For the listening audience, and unfortunately we were sitting at desks, Greg has cutoff shorts very high on the quads and then just those calves just bulging. What a piece of work. Not a very reactive muscle because you work them so much.

So it takes a lot. And Greg has clearly been putting in a whole lot. Who said this podcast doesn't have sex appeal? I thought we'd get 70 minutes on the Frank Ocean set today. So I don't really have anything planned. But we'll try to figure something out on the fly here. Today's show, a star quarterback gets paid. The Cardinals continue to wrestle with an unknown future.

And this is fun. We've been tinkering with some complicated and unique tech ahead of today's show. Oh. Yes, we have. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, hi, Dan. Were you looking for me? No, no, no, no, not you.

Go away, go away. She is reaching kind of clinger status. I wasn't expecting that. No, I'm referring to our patent and WheelO-Matic randomizer for a chat. today on team needs ahead of the 2003 NFL draft, which Patrick begins Thursday night in Kansas City. Yeah. How about that?

April 27th. You can catch Thursday night. Yeah, you can catch the coverage on NFL network. The coverage is presented by Verizon. The 2023 NFL draft is presented by Bud Light. You can tell Patrick's been doing a lot of network shows. How much money just went into your bank account as you uttered those two sponsors? Anyway, that's it.

Before we get into anything, though, let's do some news. Hertz and the gun. Hertz, this time, fakes. He's back. He's looking deep. He wants A.J. Brown. And it is caught for a touchdown. A.J. Brown.

It's double coverage. It doesn't matter. He throws the ball into an area where A.J. Brown can make the adjustment. And he's jocke in around. And he makes that proper adjustment to the football for a touchdown. He runs through contact so well. 45 yards, Mike, quick. Mm.

Mm-mm-mm. Jalen Hertz. And yes, A.J. Brown. Incredible chemistry they displayed throughout the 2020 season. And that should continue going forward after the Eagles and Hertz. That was from the Super Bowl, of course, I should say, reached agreement on a five-year, $255 million extension that includes nearly. 180 million guaranteed.

The Eagles have confirmed Monday that a extension is in place. The financial is not, but they're out there. It's the biggest contract in terms of average annual value in NFL history. Deshaun Watson's $230 million contract signed last year at the Browns is fully guaranteed. That's still the biggest in terms of guaranteed money. But Greggie Hertz also gets what he deserves a ton of money. A lot of guaranteed money, not as much as the other guy, but a ton and a no trade clause he's set up with the Eagles,

both sides figured out. Yeah, 110 million fully guaranteed, 126 guaranteed by next March, and a no trade clause, which is interesting. I think we get into the money later, but to me it's just like one of the best development stories that we've seen over the last 20 years. To think where we were at this point, only one year ago, coming off that Bucks playoff game,

where Todd Bowles cooked up the Eagles pretty good. Showed a lot of looks where the offensive line was confused. Jalen Hertz was confused. Oh, can Jalen Hertz handle the blitz? Oh, this Jalen Hertz story was nice that they ran a lot in the second half of the year, but does that really have legs? Can this guy really play quarterback?

The big question about Hertz coming into this year was can he be a long-term guy? The idea of him being one of the best quarterbacks in the league wasn't on anyone's mind. and his play in this season was so good. I was, I think as big a Hertz fan as I could be, and yet I did not expect him to be that good. He's one of the most effective runners,

and that was one of the most effective running seasons in NFL history from a quarterback, but the improvement he's made since his college tape, when he wasn't as good of a passer to his rookie year to second year to this year, is awesome, and it's a great reminder with the draft coming in 10 days how far from a finished product most of these players are. And it's one of the hardest things to reject is what somebody's going to be in two and three years. And you just make the decision based off of what they currently are.

But all through his time at Alabama and in Oklahoma, there was this pocket management issue with Jalen and he would bail. He would bail and he would float out to his right. And people wondered like, how does that, how do we get rid of this? And you saw it, as you mentioned, like in those games where things would get tough. It was looking for options that weren't there and giving up on the passing concepts. And then that all just goes away. And he has this 2022 season where it's, oh, well, if the Eagles get decent play from Jalen Hertz, then they're going to be really good.

Well, they got better than that. And they were a play away from winning the Super Bowl. Yeah. And you could even pick and choose which play that was because there were any number of them. And there's literally no more other case to make. Even the people, even like the weird win stands that were still somehow existing towards the end of the 2022 season, where even they can't argue that Jalen Hertz is a quarterback that should be paid long term in the NFL. Yeah.

And I think there is, yeah, he's 24 years old. He's had one truly kind of transcendent MVP level season. So you could say, oh, is there a little bit of a gamble in here? Well, I don't see it. I think he showed on the biggest stage in the Super Bowl at the end of a season in which they went 14 and one with him as the starter, that he is absolutely every bit the real deal. But you never know. You never know how these guys age

and how injuries can change things. But if you're the Eagles, this makes so much sense, even though it costs obviously a lot and it will change how they have to manage their roster going forward. You trust this organization with Rosen to be able to change how they do business and now they have this huge quarterback contract.

Yeah, he's earned that. He's earned that side of things. And I think you're going to see with Joe Burrow coming up, Justin Herbert potentially coming up here. You might even see this contract get quickly a leapfrog in terms of the greatest average year value and all that. But that doesn't mean that this isn't a good contract.

I think it's fair for both sides. And then there's the Lamar side of it, guys, which is this was a, I just saw this actually before we came up because we were delayed. Have we mentioned we were delayed before today's show? It will always be a mystery why we were delayed. So when we'll ever know. This from Jameson Hensley over at ESPN.

Hertz is five-year contract extension with the Eagles. It's very similar to the Lamar Jackson offer. He turned down in September, according to Schefter and Mort, total value. Really, the total value, 255 v. 250, Hertz, 255 and guaranteed for injury, 179 v. 175. Do you see, Patrick's... Okay. Hertz had 110 guaranteed, total. Just saying.

They like to fuzz around with the math. It was not like a salary that was a top, like in terms of guarantees, it wasn't even close to a top five quarterback so far in terms of total guaranteed buddy. So do you think now that this deal is done and you're seeing the next big contract post to Sean Watson that this opens the door for Lamar and the Eagles

to go down a road that's like this contract? Well, I think the clearest road, which was what we saw after the O'Dell signing was perhaps the Ravens are willing to come up on what Lamar said, right? Was three years 133, like it's a baseline. Right. Right.

So that would have been like $42 million a year whereas Hertz got 50, whatever. And if you go off of the, because the verbiage, which Greg was referencing, the verbiage depends on who you're talking to because you get 179 in guarantees for Jalen Hertz. Right. But what are those guarantees?

If there's conditions on them, are they actually guarantees? But if we go off of 179 over five years, and that's $35 million a year in guaranteed money for Jalen Hertz, if we go off of that, is 35 a year the number that Lamar was looking for? I just wish that we had concrete details when we're comparing and saying, oh, well, these contracts are very similar. Well, show me. Show me specifically where they're similar.

And if we're talking about the average annual value, that could be anything. We can tack on some years, and I could give Greg $600 million if we tack on the right structure, but like what's the actual guarantee? And if we don't know, then it's tough for me to make a comparison because other quarterbacks have been paid since the negotiation with Lamar started, and that didn't do anything. So I'm just confused as to why this would change unless it changes what the Ravens are willing to offer. And I don't think they've gotten close to what Lamar wants.

Right. Like, I think they're two totally separate issues. I love that Jalen Hertz was really motivated to get this deal done and that the Eagles were too, and they did it quietly in terms of just like handling it quickly. They said they were going to get it done. They got it done. Everyone's happy.

Lamar seems like totally to the side and isn't going to be affected. Oh, he's to the side all right. I mean, isn't going to be affected at all. And that's fine. Like you want different things. He also, you know, Hertz does it with a couple of years left on his contract. So it's different in terms of leverage, in terms of like motivation. but the whole like guaranteed thing,

it does sort of annoy me because it goes out there as 179 in total guarantees. But then quickly in our article, it notes 126 fully guaranteed by March 2024. That's the real number to me. And even then, like in theory, if something terrible happened this year, he doesn't even necessarily...

So what was the real guarantee of the Lamar Jackson one? Apparently it was three. We don't really know because we never got the structures in that, but they said it was three for one. 33 and that was sort of the whole deal that it was that that's where it started and got him mad i don't i don't know if it's going to get him any closer but that was that was the number after years of negotiation right and that was the number after the dashan contract so we don't ever know because there's the tis tisking about lamar not holding out two years ago and we don't

know what that offer was i get the sense lamar's kind of cooler about all this than maybe the outside is and that he might be okay just playing for the franchise tag and see in what happens next year. I mean, the whole Odell Beckham thing makes you feel that. Because Otto Beckham said at his press conference, you know, he's been in contact with Lamar and I think he's feeling pretty good about it. Or there's a sense of resignation at this point. I think maybe he's, this isn't going to happen.

There hasn't been an offer on the market for him. The Ravens obviously haven't budged from where they're at. So what does he do at a certain point other than what, not play? Yeah. Those are the options. It's a tough situation. think it's interesting that like the two times these types of contrasts have gone the worst since this last CBA happened where Carson Wentz and Jared Gough and the

Eagles weren't afraid at all they believed in Hertz I think the dude as much as the player obviously they believe in him as a player like they that didn't burn they didn't feel burnt at all by that experience and did a similarly like top shelf type of contract for him and not worried about building around him either there's a lot of good players around I'm making a lot of money, too. All right, moving on. Do you guys want to head to the Cardinals Nest? Let's do it.

Hope, everything's. It survived. It's a very light structure. It's pretty heavy. They weren't in there. Was that the same tree, Justin? Yeah, sorry. All right.

Anyway, ESPN's Adam Shepter reports that Cardinal Safety Buda Baker has told the team. In fact, he told the team back in February that he wanted to be traded unless he got a new contract that makes him the highest paid safety in the league. He is in the top 10 right now in terms of highest pay. safety is number seven um to be exact but he wants that big deal it's a rebuilding team obviously as you can hear the the chainsaws out um and in other cardinals nest news uh nuke nuke hopkins uh took to twitter briefly uh to uh post a tweet that he was not looking for a raise uh that tweet uh mysteriously disappeared but with nuke hopkins or dandre hopkins on the trade block we haven't heard anything yet he obviously has

hasn't been moved yet. Will he get to ask for a new contract? He's still Greg making a pretty good penny right now. He's due to make nearly 20 million under his current deal for the contrast on that. Odell just signed a deal that was worth 15 up to 18. Anyway, Hopkins still with the Cardinals. This feels like a draft weekend trade. I kind of feel it.

I feel it too. And I think it's interesting and important to note that look, this is triple sourced. Uh-oh. I mean, no, not from me. Oh. This is on DeAndre Hopkins' own personal Twitter account. And then he's quoted as saying Hopkins doesn't want to raise. And then he put dash nuke.

So that's like from the Twitter account, Hopkins and nuke. That's another way to get to the three. I feel like this is about as verifiable as possible. Was it from a verified account? I believe so. All right. That's important to. That's like fifth person.

Hopkins doesn't want to trade nuke. It's from DeAndre Hopkins. That's a new one. Maybe a red flag that he signed it. Like maybe that's something somebody that hacked his account would do. I'm just throwing that out there. And it doesn't, it could just be a quote, right? Because he's quoting himself saying that Hopkins doesn't want to raise,

but I could quote myself saying that Patrick is eight feet tall, right? Just like Greg is going to get a $600 million contract. It was in quote form. Yeah. Maybe it's it seems more. like, yeah, someone that doesn't tweet a ton. But I think a trade's happening. They want to get rid of them.

I mean, they... And that was the agent saying, hey, what are you doing, bro? Delete that tweet. We will try to get raised if we can. Probably won't be able to. You know, you're 31 almost. You just got suspended for PEDs. And, you know, it's probably not going to be easy to best your current contract.

But let's keep that as an option. I think he is more likely to get traded than Buda Baker, although, uh, Buda Baker, look, if the Cardinals just want to, like, avoid all drama, like someone would give him a new contract, I believe. Could you not see a path for a full rebuild year, considering that there's going to be a significant portion non-Kyler, right? So it's just give Buda what he wants. It's just sad if you're a Cardinals fan.

It's like, what more could you possibly get rid of? They don't have much. We have our team needs coming up, and it's like they need it all. But the one thing they didn't need was like a dynamic safety. they've got one of the best and he has two years left on his conduct did you hear by the way Hopkins was on a podcast

and he was instructed on this podcast it was the all things covered podcast and he said they asked him if you'd want to join a team and they sort of based on his body language he wasn't because he couldn't talk but he sort of like did it off body language

and what happened and by body language he sort of indicated he was out on the AFCs Didn't really like the pets or Jets, rather. But he would be in on the Bills and he would be in on the Chiefs. So, I mean, it's just, this is the part of the offseason we're at now. Yeah, let's get this deal done. I like the idea of him in Kansas City.

That would be nice. I think he likes it as well. Yeah, sounded like he liked that. I think the Bill O'Brien issue would be an issue for him, apparently. Let's move to Minnesota, or Coesia Duffo Mensa, the general manager of the Vikings, held a press. conference and he was asked about Dalvin Cook, Pro Bowl

running back and he continued to use language that kind of kept the story paused that the conversations between the Vikings and the Cook camp are ongoing. The team is trying to be this one's ominous, solutions

oriented. Zedaria Smith also a player that he already weeks ago now tweeted his goodbye to Minnesota but he's still on the team and talks according to the GM are ongoing there as well Patrick the Vikings not quite in the Cardinals boat by a long shot to be quite honest with you they did go 13 and 4 last year even if that was a little dressed up still this is a team that has a lot of stuff to figure out if they

are going to contend in a meaningful way next year and we've already seen significant change on the roster already Kendrick's departure adam feeling is is gone he's in carolina They have the worst cap situation in the league. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. But looking back, Delvin actually played more games in 2022 than he has in any season in his career. Another 1,100-yard season.

I think it was his fourth in a row. But you just wonder, where's the improvement going to be? Like, where's the space to improve, considering, like, as you mentioned, some of those wins could have easily been losses. There was so much discussion over the one-score game with the Vikings. And you kind of wonder. not to the extent of the Cardinals, right?

But you kind of wonder, like, what are we doing here? What's the plan? And it's just Kirk, baby. That's the plan. Should be mentioned, by the way, they tabled Kirk and the idea of an extension there. That's a whole separate conversation. But they also re-signed Gregi, as we know, Alexander Madison to a two-year deal in the off-season, almost six and a half million guaranteed, which puts him in the top 20 of NFL running back.

So it's like they have the guy that would become their most likely featured back or a main guy back there. now it just becomes about pulling the trigger and finding a way to move on, it seems. I think he gone, but if he took a... If Dalvin Cook took a big enough pay cut, then I think that's where he's talking about solutions-oriented. But when they asked, like, when you re-sign Madison, did you see him still being a backup?

And their answer to that was essentially, well, there is a scenario where you could see him and Dalvin on the same team. But that sort of implies the most likely scenario is that Alexander Madison is the starting quarterback and I mean the starting running back and Zadaria Smith for what it's worth I don't know if he never posted on Instagram

I'm not really on top of this but he does not have any posts on Instagram left Buda Baker also took off all of his cardinal stuff but Zadiria Smith has not taken it off of Twitter his second to last tweet in fact is saying thank you to Skoll Nation of him wearing Vikings uniform but it's also saying goodbye to all of you Yeah.

So that seems weird. And finally in the news, how about this? How about it? Patrick. The offseason training program has begun. So the offseason is over, and it's time now for us to fold into a new season of the NFL. It feels like. Hope you enjoyed the off season.

Football is back. It was good, you know? What did you do with the family of this off season? Oh, same things. All the time. Chase them around, cleaned up. Bermuda, perhaps. Yeah, stepped on toys.

No, none of that. But I saw the Colts and the Panthers got to work. On NFL now, we had some dude doing pull-ups. Chiefs were out there. Who was doing the pull-ups? Who was doing performative pull-ups on April 17th? That was the thing. I was like, wait, who is that?

I want to say, that's just some dude. We don't know. I'm still, you know, as our former president, Barack Obama, you say, still Hawaii in my mind. Again. I'm still in Hawaii. In my mind. He just walks and keeps it, keeps it everywhere.

We don't need to be reporting on who doesn't show up for weightlifting at this point. Have you... It has been noted around the league a few franchise players and whatnot, Quinn and Williams. There you go. The new Greg who went to Hawaii came back a different man. Can you cite any examples since I last saw you Thursday? You know, the old Greg may be a little bit on edge. Maybe would have handled the situation one way.

But New Greg came back from the islands. handled it this way. Our show was delayed today, and I just took it as it came. I took advantage of the extra time. Unbelievable. Spent time with Patrick, prepped a little more for our segment and just, hey, control what you can control. That's unbelievable.

That's unbelievable. It was a very new. And out of like the 78 annoying things I could say to Emeka, my beautiful wife this weekend, that I could have said. How many did you say? Seventy-7. I held one back. Boom.

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back in January, referring to, you know, having this quarterback who has reached this high level, superstar level play even. I think he's in the superstar club now, right? When you have the best game of your career in the Super Bowl, that'll do it. I mean, Jake Dallone did that too, but... You didn't come in second for MVP voting in that same year, but that's a fair point. Anyway, this is what Siriani said. It's like having Michael Jordan out there.

He's your leader. He's your guy. Yes. Football is completely different than basketball. Thank you, Mark. But if you believe you have a Michael Jordan-like figure in your locker room, you give the man da bag. So good job.

And also, don't make him mad because Mike would strike you. I don't think Jalen would strike you like Mike would. I watched the air movie with Affleck and Damon. Me too. It's good. I gave it a three out of four. Where did you come down on it? Yeah, I think that's good.

I enjoyed it a lot. Did you see it? Interesting. I haven't yet. I will. I enjoyed it. It's in theater? It's in theaters.

I saw it in theaters. And then I, after watching it because I find Jordan to be immensely compelling, as many people do, I revisited the Netflix 10-part series. Whoa. So I'm very much got a lot of Jordan on the mind. So, yeah, Michael Jordan. What a player, huh, Greg? I feel like Jalen Hertz is more loved probably by his teammates rather than feared. I would say so.

Yeah. I would say so. Anyway, let's get into it. Let us, and again, if you are just tuning in, if you're looking for the Frank Ocean Breakdown, Wednesday's podcast when Mark Sessler returns from Coachella. I did watch the Boy Genius set live. How about that?

How did you, the streaming? I enjoyed it. I mean, yeah, it's all streaming. I feel like Boy Genius checks all the Rosenthal boxes. Oh, yeah. What you look for in your indie rock. Well, I'm a huge, Julian Baker is one third of the Supergroup. So I went and saw Boy Genius.

It's like five years ago in their first time around here in Los Angeles. You got Phoebe. You got Phoebe Bridgers. You got Lucy Dacus, yeah. Dacus doesn't get the pop. Not as much, but I don't know if Julian Baker really does either, but go support your local. Should we save this for the Boy Genius podcast? Maybe we will.

Let's get to it. Let's get to it. All right. This is IP. This is our IP. It's our tech. It is the WheelO-Matic randomizer. And with the draft.

well okay that's a game show type you wanted more dystopian like like the wheel determines our fate quite honest but it's fine we're going to keep moving forward no issue

just keep that harlot bridget out of here yeah that's that is your main job don't worry about anything else Justin for the balance of the program let's just keep the wheel omatic as the as the IP here um we're going to spin the wheel and wherever the wheel lands and this is legit like we have

No idea what is going to happen. Justin, it's going to spin. It's going to land on a team. And we are going to immediately dive into a conversation on that team's biggest needs as the draft approaches. Pretty straightforward. Let's get it. Okay, spin it. Anything we need to know, Justin?

The wheel is random. That's all you need to know. The Houston Texans are the first team. I was reading boys Peter King's column. He has a popular venerable column called Monday morning something rather at this point. What's it called now? Football morning in America used to be Monday morning. Quarterback, you know, you know Peter King, right?

Greg. Sure. Familiar with his work. King talking, you know, in his latest column. He is a legend. Breaking down, he's talked to a bunch of people in the know. Everyone's certain at this point that Bryce Young is going. number one to the Panthers.

That is what he's hearing. So then it becomes the number two pick, C.J. Stroud, there are whispers. There are whispers out there that they are not going to take Stroud or maybe even pick at number two. What do they need to do, Greg? What are the biggest needs for Houston?

Obviously, QB is one. I mean, QB is the one. Yeah. So that's why passing on a QB at two would be compelling, but they could trade. Because they passed on a quarterback last year when they had two high-value picks as well. Right.

I would think it would be borderline insane unless they got their quarterback another way. For instance, our friend over at Establish the Run, Evan Silva, has them trading, taking Will Anderson, too, and then trading into three with the Cardinals and taking Will Levis there. There's some buzz that they're maybe not a Stroud team. we'll see. Nick Casario spoke on Monday as we're taping this and insisted the reports that he might not be there after the draft are untrue. It's like the DiCaprio character

and Wolf of Wall Street. He was basically like, I'm not going anywhere. He referenced that. He referenced that. Just me and Casario on the same wavelength. So he's not going anywhere, apparently. At this point, it would be insane for him to not have a quarterback after three years

because you look at the rest of their roster. They have so many needs. He's done very little good work in the last two years. years other than firing two head coaches. I got a little insight into their decision making when Steve Weish had an interview with Domeco at the league meeting not too long ago. And Domingo's quote was there's two really good quarterbacks that we both feel great about.

But the question is, how much is the gap do they see between quarterback one and quarterback two? And I think if they wanted to trade out, it shouldn't be that difficult. Because teams do have a favorite between Levis and Richardson and maybe Stroud. like all of these other things, you're going to want to get your favorite. And so Arizona isn't in the market, right? And so there's a path ahead. But I think, right, they do have a need for a star defensive player. And Will Anderson is there.

They could do that. I don't think it's that much of a stretch where if they say, look, like we think CJ is good, but is he number two overall good? And the draft history since 2010 says if you take a defender in the top three, you're probably more likely to get Pro Bowls, playoff wins, all these other things than the second quarterback off the board. Those drafts don't have anything to do with this draft, but I think there's a case to be made.

As a reminder, they have the 12th overall pick from the Deshawn Watson trade. That's the Brown's pick. So if they wanted to trade back up, they're not far away. And if they wanted to wait and take the first wide receiver off the board, for instance, they could probably do that too because they need a lot of help at wide. receiver too. Right. Brandon Cooks was moved

in a trade. So that is, of course, and we were talking about it last week with Eric Edholm, the wide receiver class. There's definitely talent here. Is there a first round talent?

You could take Smith and Jigba there. It wouldn't be crazy. Maybe. You could take Anthony Richardson in there. Who knows who they would like as their number two? If I'm a Texans fan who I'm dying for that, like commanders fans are rejoicing

because they feel like the future now gets to begin and it's bright. And with Houston Texans, you know, ever since Watson said I wanted to be traded, then all the scandal broke. It's just been a dark cloud over this organization. And if they went through a second straight draft cycle with a premium pick and said, no, we're not taking the quarterback. I don't think that happens, right? This doesn't end with them not having a quarterback in the first round. No, because Davis Mills is still their quarterback.

They never did sign a veteran. So has that. They need edge players. Like, that's what I mean. They need defensive line. and they need a center. I mean, they still have one of the worst rosters in the league. But to your point, they have the artillery to get creative

and move around the first round board and get maybe that big pass rusher and get a quarterback in the middle of the round or in the top 10 still. You can get back into the top 10 and you're not taking Will Levis number two overall, but you can feel better about that at seven or eight or even nine. They are in the catbird seat to be,

is that what it is? Yeah. why do we call it that it's a weird term i'm not going to use it ever again uh to come out of thursday night is a big winner because they could have a quarterback people are really intrigued by and then the top wide receiver on the board and everybody's like oh yeah the Texans are doing things unless they overthink things let's see what happens spin it good start good start speaking of and these are all totally random that is interesting are you sure Apparently, we could try to put our finger on the scale.

Justin gave us that option. Strangely. Off, Mike, which was bizarre. Nobody in this establishment would do that. Yeah, I was offended that Justin would even give us the option to kind of betray our listeners in such a manner. He was like, if you really need one team that needs to come up, I could like move it up because he pre-did all this. It's like, what? The look on his face is you're doming him out.

For no reason, it's a tense, man. It is 100% random, the order, but we could play with the order if we wanted to. That's all I'm saying. Can I give me? It's like it's all legit, like the democracy, but if you wanted, we could stuff the ballot box. Can I give me an idea for a social video

that involves the producer prominently because I know our producers like that? Oh. A clip of right before we started when you have that conversation, and then this conversation during the show itself. Okay. That sounds like a pretty good. We made a note of that, and I think that would be a great clip.

I do like to put little clips up of when we mess up, when we step into it. It's time to turn it out. Speaking of that, the intro of this show that didn't get taped will probably be on social media. Unbelievable. What content? I mean, the listeners, what a joy to have our hardworking team always delivering the dagger. The Washington Commanders is where that wheel landed. So we just talked about this team that has been revitalized by the report.

It's not official official, but it appears to be official, not official, but appears to be happening that Daniel Snyder is finally out of the picture after 25 tumultuous years. The commanders have needs, Patrick. They need a quarterback, right? That to me is at the top of the list, but some people don't think that. Some people think Sam Howell is a guy to get behind here. Well, when you go back and you consider the way that we felt in that,

because it was the very last game in 2022, and it's like, oh, Sam Howell, why didn't we get this earlier? But then you look at the numbers. It's like, this was just Carson Wince and Taylor Hineckee lowering our expectations to an extent where we feel comfortable saying this. It's tough to project, like, what Sam Howell is going to be, because there was a point where people thought he could be going number one in the draft, and that ultimately didn't happen. But between Howell and Jacoby Rosset, like, you get at least some way that we're going to see what Eric B. Enemy's offense looks like, and you get this idea. because I think the biggest change, besides ownership possibly changing, was B enemy coming in.

And it's like, oh, well, we're going to at least see what this offensive group can be capable of, considering the talent they have on the outside. But you would feel better if there was a quarterback plan. Right. I think it's a need, but all reporting indicates they don't think it's a need. They're 16th overall. I've seen some trade-ups in areas with them. They don't seem like the team that's going to do that.

Their rosters is the type of. roster you'd expect from a mid-level team. They actually don't have a lot of screaming huge needs. The thing I came up with was actually defensive line, which is what they're known for. But they, you know, Ron Rivera has not gotten any of his own guys since he's gotten there. They really haven't, all their best players were there with the previous regime. Chase Young's going to be either in a fifth year option. We'll see if that's picked up or it's the final year of his deal.

Duran Payne's on a one-year contract. Montes Sweat, I think, is on the, at the end of his deal, too. Jonathan Allen's been there forever. But they need to start finding, like, their own guys, they're thin, up front, and at a cornerback. And that's the thing that disappoints me a little bit about Rivera and Mayhew here. It's like they've gotten it done and they've been respectable, but they haven't really brought in a lot of players since they got there in 2021.

Yeah, I mean, you could look at their, the back end of their defense as well. Cornerback profiles is a need as well. You know, I just, are they really going to do that? Are they going to go into this brand new, this bright new horizon era of the team with Brissette and with the fifth round pick? That would just surprise me if they come out of the draft night like that. If Richardson fell, like they're a team that would just sit there.

It's a perfect example of a guy that they would be, everyone would be like, we have a new owner, we have this exciting quarterback with all this great skill set. Like, look at us now. Like, we could be anything. If one of the quarterbacks really falls past 12 or whatever, are they a team that could move up a couple? spots or wait until he gets to 16 maybe that that may be the most likely scenario because let's say

that at corner right they they're in a spot where they can try to move up into the top 10 if christian gonzalez is there say at nine man moving up for cornerbacks is tough though but it's what the team needs yeah right if we're if we're skipping past quarterback and saying how can we get the best team that we can this year we get a a cornerback in the nine to 12 range uh not staying and waiting at 16. But if that's the case, if he's if he's still there, that it means those quarterbacks most likely were already gone. Right. And so then if you don't like the quarterback, like why reach for one just because you need to satisfy a position need like 2024 exists, you know, like I don't know. Sure. And it should be stated we talked about this. I think it was last

week, early last week that Ron Rivera was on record saying, you know, their hands are a little bit tied right now with decision making until they know who they're answering to. Like, What's that like? Would that take them out of a decision as big as drafting a quarterback in the first round? Because of the unrest or the uncertainty, would they go more meat and potatoes in this draft? Well, and thinking, like, what can help us this year right now save our jobs? Who can play right away? I'm telling you, it's weird that they're linemen, that none of them are signed long term other than Allen,

and they didn't draft any of them. They could use another strength. You're disappointed. And Ron, because you think that's something. he would be all over. It's just weird to me that if you look at their team, you hate Ron Rivera. The best players, they struggled in the GM exercise

because their best players were all brought in before they all got there. Tuppy, Tuppy. All right, spin the wheel. I like that it says spin in the middle of the wheel. That's a graver touch. Check us out on YouTube. We're really hitting the hits, playing the hits here

at the top of the draft. And you did not, Justin, manipulate it in any way. Zero percent manipulation. Which I would never say that, you would in my heart i know who you are but once you introduce that conversation right earlier it does the seed of doubt is planted let's let's be honest like that's understandable and it's not like you're trying to do the best show possible just like the rest of us so i wouldn't i wouldn't even see it as something dastardly but at the same time great got to ask the question at this point

i'm a little concerned i promise this process was 100% random and we'll know that if the titans are brought up at all you know that's how we'll know where did just land? Sorry. The Bears. The Bears. Okay. Extra second round pick, but that's it. They don't have some, I had some idea that they have like this huge surplus of picks, but not really. Extra second, extra fourth, extra fifth. What do the Bears need? What are we talking about with the bears? They obviously have their quarterback, so now you're looking at a team. The defense needs a lot of work, right?

They are sort of like, to me, the team that needs to have the most meat in potatoes draft. They might have the worst offensive line, defensive line combination in a league, especially defensive line, whether it's edge, or defensive tackle, like, they're almost starting from scratch. They have guys on the offensive line, and they're not, like, the worst, but they have a bunch of guys that you're like, oh, I would like to have a guy better than that guy. So it's not as huge a need, but it just feels like that's why they were comfortable moving down.

I think they have kind of like the outside pieces, but they need just like a ton of big, smelly linemen. Why do they have to have a body odor issue? Why can't they groom themselves properly? Generally, well, if you're a bigger player, you're just more likely. to eat and sweat and... I feel like Peter Skoronsky smells just fine

and he's going to have a long career selling old spice products of the draft. If the big man inside ever heard you say that they would take exception to it. I think you know that video did you see Jeff Schwartz I think was part of it sent out where the offensive linemen all ate as much as

they could in one meal. I think they were a bunch of prospects to see who could put on the most weight in one meal. And it varied. They went out for like you know steaks and whatnot. One guy didn't gain anything. The rest of them all were between five and 12 pounds in one meal. One guy, I think, got up to it to 11 pounds

in one meal. How did the one guy not gain anything? These guys share in a hotel room? Because he didn't make it through the... It's a rough one. He didn't make it through the whole meal without having to use the bathroom. Oh, okay. So the data is incomplete. That's a rough one. I actually... So I don't know what that has to do with smelly, but the bathrooms may be smelly. And I don't want to, yeah, go down that rabbit hole.

that hole at all but like uh i've always i've wondered about like the competitive eaters like what happens in that realm like how quickly is that addressed and at what level like what are we talking i would say within 30 minutes it's probably and like what are we talking like what's going on non-traditional means but so but 11 pounds is crazy going from like three he was one guy went from 311 to 322 but you're not what you're saying is you're not referring to body odor you're more like you know yeah okay just a little bit everything but yeah Here's their starting defensive line on paper, maybe. I don't even know who it would be, but Justin Jones, Andrew Billings,

it's a Marcus Walker, Travis Gibson, maybe throw in a Rishim Green. Like, that's four spots you would want to improve. It's a reminder that they lost relentlessly last season to get the number one overall pick. They're not a good team. And the offensive line is like they have guys they know and they're okay, but they could all be a little better. And the needs aren't necessarily as bad because having the quarterback right convinces you that things aren't as bad as they could be like if you put justin fields on the houston texans we feel completely different about the state and direction of the franchise and so it's not as bad as it was

but i think at nine right when we're talking about what they do coming up here and we can change i i think it's literally it's a cliche but the best player available like and i don't know if they reach for alignment just because like it's a particular team need it's a pretty good we're hearing it's a pretty good offensive lineman class. I feel like they're in a good spot at nine where they could either take the top tackle or maybe it's like the second or third edge player. I think you're right though, Greg.

I think this will be seen as like the bears look to the trenches to build around Justin Fields and to improve that defense. That's where we see this one going. All right, what else? Let's see, what has been randomized? Oh, this feels like Jets. Oh, it is. The New York Jets.

How about that? I had nothing to do with this. This is completely... 100% random. Random. So don't take it out on me. The New York Jets, well, I guess they don't need a quarterback, probably.

We don't know for sure, but probably not. I don't think so. I think with the Jets, you're looking at... Corey Davis is still there, which is kind of interesting because I think it was a foregone conclusion that they were going to move him. They were very interested in Odell. I'm glad they didn't.

pay for Odell. I was, I was happy how that turned out. But I don't see them necessarily out at wide receiver. But I think that the top of the draft, and let's see, where are they at? They're at 13. 13. I think that is going to be an offensive lineman. I think they are going to put focus at that spot and continue to hit it hard because Joe D for all his talk and all everything you hear about offensive line with that team or the trenches and coming from the Eagles model of how to build a team. They still don't have a very good offensive line. And if they like a guy there,

I think that's where you're going to see a pick here, a tackle. You have Mackay Beckton and Wayne Brown. It's like between those two, could you count on one of them. Maybe one of them. You also need a center. Maybe you're okay at guard. But yeah, a tackle.

Edge. You know, I know Carl Lawson's still there, at least for another year. They took Jermaine Johnson last year. It was okay. But I think they could want an edge player. And there's no problem with, There's no problem with having depth.

Like, let's say it's a Paris Johnson Jr. To that pick by the Jets. And then you get healthy Dwayne Brown, right, and healthy big ticket. It's like, is that the worst problem in the world? If you have guys that you can move around in depth of the position, I think it's a time. No, it's planning ahead. Like, doing this exercise going through all these rosters, I'm going to be doing, what's it called, projected starters coming out.

It's like the – not roster reset. The Jets are in one of the nice positions where it's like actually you should be planning ahead at some of these positions. like Edge. Tackle, it's a little bit of planning ahead. Like, they don't have a lot of screaming needs. It's screaming when you see Zach Wilson, Tim Boyle as QB1 and 2. Yes.

But that should be, that should be fast. Harrowing screams. And maybe, yeah, maybe we talked about it a little bit last show. Maybe the Rogers thing finally gets settled draft weekend. That would be nice. But I really do think that is, it's blinking right in front of the Jets to go continue to build out that line because you're probably going to have like a third. 39 year old quarterback there

and you want to have some depth as well because they got killed by injuries on their line last year as well. That's spin it. Spin it. A little lag on it. A little lag on the tech there, Justin. We'll address that.

Was that a producer issue or more just the video? That was a thing I could replace for the YouTube. No one would ever know, Might as well keep it. Kind of like when we mess up at, you know, starting a show, like no one would ever know it. Right, but now they send it out on social. Everyone needs to see it. Exactly.

The comedy of errors that is doing our podcast. The Cleveland Browns are up next. Okay, what do we got with the Cleveland Browns? Somebody take it. Another team up front, I think. Like, they signed Dalvin Tomlinson at a defensive tackle who I think will play a lot for them was a nice signing, but that was one of the worst positions maybe in football last year

was Brown's defensive tackle. And so they still need another guy. They drafted actually a year ago. Perion Winfrey was arrested for domestic abuse, I believe, since we last taped. So I don't think he's going to be in the mix. Browns just can't get away from these off-the-field stuff. And Edge, the guy across from Miles Garrett.

I know they side Ogbo Okaranko who I kind of like, I think defensive linemen. It could be a reunion, right? We could make things work with Devi and Clowny, but apparently that is... No, I don't think that's happening. That ship has sailed. I think that ship definitely so.

How about the wide receiver group? Yeah. Like, we like Cooper a lot. Elijah Moore was a smart move, but still a guy that is not proven in the league. People's Jones. People's Jones had a nice season. Tony Schwartz.

You'd probably be happier with him. No player has profiled any different than his, than Tony Schwartz, then, I don't know. Are you saying you're expecting something different from Tony Schwartz? Yeah. Like he's all speed, no, I don't know. Just Tony Schwartz hasn't done it yet. Need more than speed, I guess.

But, yeah, I'm looking at the rest of that room. Yeah, they could, a wide receiver, you know, and you are not as high on the general manager as I am, I guess. But I wouldn't be surprised that they come out of with a nice value add in the wide receiver room. I think that's fair. People's Jones, his contract will come up. It's planning ahead. Their defense probably needs more work.

Defense was bad last year. But you're right. This exercise is like you go through almost every team could use a receiver and a cornerback because you kind of need four of both now. And the rules have changed. It's like very few teams have a good four. They'd really have to hit a home run considering that another team is making their first round pick. So it's like where are we getting the upgrade over DPJ?

at wide receiver. Like, you're going to need somebody to really fall. It is a Drip one. It is a deep draft, but you're right. What are their draft picks this year? The Browns have two fours, two fives, but otherwise they're taking their picks after round one. They have two picks on the top 100, 42nd and 98.

All right. If that quarterback can't play, decidedly not worth it. It's going to be real bad if he can't play. Spin it. Oh, it's the Patriots! The back, baby! Gregi.

The New England Patriots. Yes, their draft picks are, uh, let's see, what are we got? I'm going to, I'm going to start doing this. A little late into the exercise, but they are a 14th overall, and then they pick 46th overall in the second round. They have a third round pick, a fourth round pick, two fourth round picks. Okay. Three fourth round picks.

here we go I gotta say their roster is like not bad they're kind of like they don't have a ton of screaming like capital N needs tackle I would say is one of them it's not like a lot of fun their defensive line is older

and not great they certainly could use a cornerback they could use one of those nice past catching tight ends that's what I would like I know they have Hunter Henry but in the first round I want something splashy yeah I mean Hunter Henry's give me one more year of him and I'm good so let's take a guy who you can have for

five years. What about Darnell Washington? Too early to take him. That seems like a Patriots type of pick, but I would be more into like the Dalton Kincaid of it all. I like the tight end. I was thinking that. I didn't mention it for the Jets either, but I think they would make sense for a tight end. We keep on hearing

what a great tight end class this is and yeah, you got Keseki there as well. I mean, the Patriots have four receivers. I think they are comfortable playing Devante Parker, Kendrick Bourne, Juju and Tyquan Thornton. Are they comfortable playing Kendrick Bourne? Like, does Bill want Kendrick Bourne on the field?

He was in the doghouse, but that is something that they do is take guys out of the doghouse. He's still in the roster. And to me, he might be their best receiver. So that's a problem. So they could be looking at receiver too, but I don't trust them. Knowing them, though, they're going to take some small. They're either going to take, like, a trade, they're going to trade down and take some random guard, although take like an undersized small school cornerback that no one was expecting to go and annoy everyone.

Yeah. It's like, they can't like. They're like, oh, is he under five, nine? Go for it. I know, but all that that glory day stuff when you had Brady leading the whole show

like you know they need the roster is to as the kids say pretty mid when you look at it like it's just kind of like kind of Washington

where it's not bad yes they need some difference makers and not just some scatback out of you know our lady of the hopeless miracle in their defense

here are some players they've drafted over the last two years guys they can kind of build on Cole Strange thought he played pretty well as a rookie in the end Mac Jones will see

Ramandre Stevenson. Barmore. Nice player. Jack Jones, nice player. Marcus Jones, nice player. They actually, you know, Zappie, we'll see. Talking himself into it. I'm just saying they've got some young players.

This is post-A-E-Greg. If you can get three good years of drafts in a row and I would say they've had two in a row, then you could be doing something. Throw Bailey Zappy in there. Anyway, Mac Jones gets traded, by the way. He's a fourth round pick, Patrick. He's looking like at worst, the good backup.

They're good at drafted backup quarterback. That's a nice pick. Thursday night comes and we hear Mac Jones. Where's Bailey Zappian? You're back up breaking. He's got potential and he played pretty well in his two games. What about that? Mac traded on draft night.

They draft a quarterback. And then Bailey gets to compete for the starting job week one while the kid learns and develops any chance. Well, I have to admit, it took me until this last weekend to finally watch Anthony Richardson. And my God, I mean, give me some of that. Let's go. How could that not work?

Someone with that pocket presence and that athleticism, like, he's a real quarterback. Let's draft him and trade Mac over to the Ravens. All right. I'm sure that's what Odell Beckham signed up for. Paul's right there, everybody. We're going to spin the wheel some more, but first, a word from our sponsors. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. Spitting the wheel. We almost got the Browns again. No duplicates. That would have been a tough one. We got the, what, Carolina Panthers?

Yes. All right. So what do you do around Bryce Young's stuff? I think if Peter King has said it, then by God, it's got to be the case. What are you taking shots of King there? No. I detected sarcasm there.

No, the access that Peter King has definitely supersedes mine. I'm not going to come out and say it, but if Peter King's saying it. They are saying a lot of like everyone around the league believes it's, you know, young. Now, it depends on the situation of the team. It's like I also saw everyone around the league believes that Seahawks are taking Jalen Carter. But since when has everyone around the league known what the hell the Seahawks are going to do? They're the most unpredictable team. So you don't know if that's right.

But yes, what else would you get with Bryce Young? You need a receiver. Yeah, you definitely do, considering. you traded your best receiver away to get the quarterback. So it's a gift exchange gone wrong if you don't do that. And so they're still there. They can still come back and maybe get a Jackson Smith in Jigba early on. If it's one of those needs-based things, like if you would feel better at 14 than in the top 10,

just go ahead and make the pick. They have the first pick overall, of course. Then they pick two picks in the third, what? pick in the second round, 39 overall, and then they have a third round pick from the Niners, two fourth round picks. They can package those. I feel like though this draft, it's such a deep receiver draft.

Like I think there's a thought there's not a huge difference between like wide receiver three and wide receiver 12 that at 39, I have a feeling there's going to be some good players on the board and they're going to be looking to offense because right now their top three receivers are Terrace Marshall, DJ Chark, and Adam Thielen. This is as clear as it gets for me so far, though, this exercise. size like what are the two needs for this team QB wide receiver like is there another position

that really stands out that they would potentially go with their first couple of times you know they signed shy tuttle and there's not a lot there's Derek Brown but they're pretty stacked on defense in general so it's all offense a team that's really hit on their first round picks for a long time like they haven't had

a lot of misses in the first round going back you can go back before camp they actually have a good offensive line on paper It's a different system. Never thought about that. Yeah, they've been. A lot of singles and doubles, I would say.

You're not looking for singles in the first round? I mean, you want guys like DJ Moore. I think that's a solid line drive double, but you just traded them. Let's see. Camus Conwo, J.C. Horn. Conwo looks like, we'll see. Derek Brown, Brian Burns, DJ Moore, Christian McCaffrey. That's since 2017.

Pretty good. Pretty much no misses. Conwo's to her. I mean, the streak, right, of guys who have gone to at least one Pro Bowl, Shaq Thompson, Vernon Butler, CMC, DJ Moore, Brian Burns. Vernon Butler? That was a miss. Yeah, never mind. 30th overall 2016.

See, I stopped at 2017 to help your point. But I mean, if we go back, you brought him in. Jay Cajee Hart looks great. Jonathan Stewart, Cameron, Luke Keakley. I mean, come on. Kelvin Benjamin, I'll give it to you. They're going to be super motivated, though, to have a good offense around. Like, they're going to want to give Bryce Young as, if.

that's him or whoever the quarterback is. And Frank Wright, who's an offensive coach, as much of a chance as possible. Dang, yeah. Going Cam and Keekley back to back and 11-12 set that organization up. They want to do it again now. Spin, spin it. Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin.

No glitches, no glitches. Look at the smooth turn. Oh, the Los Angeles, baby. The Los Angeles football, Rams. Matthew Stafford came out, by the way. He was interviewed somewhere and said, Listen, I'm not a kid anymore, or bod. But I'm all right.

Don't count me out. No. I can still sling it, and I'm ready to play. For the Rams, it appears. They still don't have a first-round draft pick. Yeah, it's tough. Still. Next year they will, potentially, right?

A lot of departures in the secondary. They do have one next year. They do have two-thirds because they got the Rams. A little disappointing, and they have three compensatory fifths. But it's 36th overall. It's like there. saying like now we're more focused on the draft but it's like you don't actually have that many draft

picks so they they could trade down they they don't have any cornerbacks right now and that whole idea of like well they're not as going to be as injured this year on the offensive line if you look their offensive line is still looks pretty terrible on the interior it's like the same guys that weren't good before so

those are two positions it's wild to have a one of the better offensive players in the entire league and then Matt Stafford coming back and what conceivably feel like a rebuild on both sides of the ball where it's a weird especially in the secondary we don't even know so rap's gone uh between between him and and ramsie like there was so much moving and shaking in that secondary anyway that like what's

the plan they have no pass rush either so like that secondary is going to have to hold up our friend jordan rodriguez basically reading between the lines been saying like they're almost punting defenses here so i think they're going to go as hard as they can i usually doesn't end well No, I think they're going to go as hard as they can on offense in the draft, maybe trade down. She definitely didn't say that, but it just feels like they think they can have a great offense still. They actually, you know, between cup. That's important you said that Jordan didn't actually report that because if she listens to the show, she's probably like, Greg.

She didn't report that at all, but I just think they're focusing on offense and realizing they're going to have to rely on coaching on defense. And so I think they're going to be drafting offense too. Very good. All right. You want to do one more? Spin it. I'm going to do 12 more. In your mind.

There they are. Hey, oh, the Detroit Lions, the 2020 team of around the NFL. We love them, Lions. Let's see what we got there. Let's make it 23-2. They're the most fun team in the draft, I think, with 6 and 18, because they don't have crazy huge needs. Yes, yes.

And their needs feel like they're at. It's not getting better than this. My God. And they have two seconds, too. 48 and 55. You know, the Rams, like, they would love to have the Lions, you know, pick. If you're rebuilding through the draft. This is a flashpoint moment for the Lions.

They nail this draft. Look out. Look the F out for Detroit. I can do some reporting here. Let's hear it. Noted Lions fan and dear friend of our, Cynthia Freeland, when she saw Buda Baker requested a trade, she said, that's it. Go do it. Get on the phone right now and get Buddha to the Detroit Lions.

So I'm going to list safety as a need and say, they can make that happen. Because everything feels like icing on the cake at this point for this Lions team. I think quarterback is not a screaming need, but is a need. So I think they have to be thinking about Richardson at 6 or if someone fell at 18. I think tight end is a need, actually. You remember that guy, Brock Wright, who got that one pass all season against the Lions? He's like, they're starting tight end.

So they could take a tight end at 18 perhaps or use one of those second round picks. I think they could still add a cornerback. I know they sign a couple in free agency, but not amazing. They might like their tight-end room, though, because that was weird because Hawkinson was a big lift, I thought, from Minnesota's offense, but Detroit's offense didn't really take a step back without him, I thought. Yeah, I just think they were happy internally with what's going on. It was kind of a utilization thing.

Yeah, I think they need one more, like, dynamic receiver, whether it's a wideout or a tight end. Like Jameson Williams, I'm excited about him. I'm on Ray St. Brown. He's great. But their next best receiver after that is who? I don't know. Marvin Jones is there.

Josh Reynolds. I'm going full of Jordan Rodriguez. I'm punting on offense if I'm the lines and I'm loading up. That's what they do. I'm going the other way. It's a defense. Okay. And I'm just built.

I like that. It's bringing Buddha. So we'll cover safety there via transaction. Maybe give up a draft pick. What are you going to give up for Buda Baker? You have two seconds. Dave two pick. If you gave, if you gave up that second second for Baker, maybe even a third round pick for Baker.

Feeling good about that. What about a two and a three? That's a little. Let's see if they move. See if they blink. Just make the offer. Did you want to spend it one more time or do we want to say goodbye?

We're pretty deep into the show now. Sounds like you want to say goodbye. I kind of feel like this feels like the right time. We did it with the lions. Yeah. Nine is kind of a weird number, but who cares? We didn't. That was our ninth one.

No, we got to do one more. All right. You got to do that. He did it. Good job, Justin. Good producing there. This could be the best moment of the show right now. No.

No, we don't need more Cardinals talk. What you... Can we just spin it again? The Cardinals need a rudder. Yeah, they need everything. They need a... We did the card. No, but we can't do 11.

Okay. We're going to have to go to 20 then. Yeah. It's all coming to clarity. The Cardinals have their need, their team need is a rudder. And all of the requests for Kyler to be more mature have come into the... They've come into clarity for me is because the things that they need a front office and team leadership to do, they would like the quarterback to do it because they clearly have some issues.

They have no position, I would say, that's not a need. They have two tackles that are like elder statesmen. I guess that's a future need, so maybe you don't need a tackle. They have no one on the defensive line, almost no one at cornerback. They need it all. And they're about to trade their safety to the line. All right. I guess we did the Cardinals.

Yeah. That's it. Gas it up. Gas up the chainsaw, grave digger. That's a good way to close things. This is what they need to do. Do you ever use a chainsaw? I have, actually.

After all that wind that came through, I used a chainsaw for the first time. Did you really? Yeah. Did you barred it from a neighbor? Yeah. Borrowed it from a neighbor. Tried it from a neighbor.

It tried to rent one, but there were so much wind damage all around that all of the rentals at multiple home depots were all out. Everybody's renting chainsaws. Hmm. Greg, I don't have to ask you. I don't think you're a chainsaw guy. No, I had a little period where I would just, like, massacre young children all around the neighborhood. So that was a phase for me.

I don't know about it. You want to use that for social, too? I'd rather cut it from this show. No, it must stay. Let's wrap things up there on kid murder. We'll be back on Wednesday. And again, if you are ready for the Frank Ocean Review, that is on its way into your ears Wednesday with our second show, three shows this week. Big announcement.

Big announcement Wednesday. Oh, that's about our draft plans. Yes. Big announcement Wednesday. Oh, what? Where are you going to be? I think I kind of know. Are you in the building on draft night?

No, I'm not. Okay. You're going to be covering a team or something like that? No. I may be like on standby. I'm on the bench. Right, because we might need help because I'm going to jail for like three lifetimes now.

Right, basically every unsolved murder in the Los Angeles area for the past 20 years is now going to be pinned on Rosenthal. So we might need you, Patrick. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, I figure it out. Big announcement regarding the NFL draft on Wednesday's show. Until then, let's head out.

I have absolutely excited about what's occurring. There you go. That's important Gotta be excited This is a lot of is an iHeart podcast.