NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - James Harrison Retiring & Baker Mayfield Talk With Chase Goodbread

Episode Date: April 16, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal & Chris Wesseling- discuss the news of ex-Steelers, Patriots LB James Harrison retiring (6:00), the Broncos releasing RB C.J. Anderson, Gronk and Tom Brady could skip the beginning of the Pats’ offseason program?!? (13:00), Seabass signs with the Seahawks (26:00) and Mark Sanchez suspended for PEDs. Plus, Chase Goodbread (aka Carbs) joins the show to discuss NFL Draft prospect Baker Mayfield (32:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the NFL podcast. As a millionaire producer. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Henses, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal.

What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Happy Monday. Wow. I mean, I feel like, you know, normally we come in on Monday, and it's, oh, how, we spend a lot of time together as a group this weekend. That's true. Too much. Did a little seaside libations.

Why not? Sure. the whole group West had his first Hanano burger since overcoming cancer took down the whole damn thing yeah you did you put it all down put it all away there was some concern halfway through that like half of it was just sitting there when I got there

and you're like yeah I just have to eat then you buried it yeah I eat really slow I need like a propeller on the end of my fork that's funny and then yeah Greg you were there too and the paramour it was a nice night out or a day out and then

And yesterday, I was left with the two boys all weekend while my wife went on a girl's trip. She earned it. She deserved it. No heat for me on that. Look like there's some libations on her trip as well. Yeah, for sure. And I went over to the Sessler compound yesterday morning, brought the two little rug rats. And then all the boys had a lot of fun, almost suffered like seven head injuries.

Oh, it was. You're so right. Like little kids running around nearly bashing into sharp brick corners. But other than that, I when, especially Dan's older boy, Jack, I think Harrison, he's post-baby, but he's not quite able to socialize with the rest on the same level. But they were very sad to see Jack leave the front door. Yeah, Jack had a great time. Yeah, there was one moment in particular.

They all had brushes with death, which is just if you don't have young kids, you don't even realize this, especially boys because boys are so stupid. Like, myself as well when I was younger. But, like, they just throw themselves. At one point, Luke is running towards, and you have this cool little open fire pit, and there's brick, pretty sharp edges and everything. I see him right in front of me,

lose his footing, stumble, and then he's going face first towards this edge of brick. And I'm, like, looking at it, like, in slow motion, it's like, oh, my God, is this the end? It's going to be gone. It just crashes into his chest and pushes into his sternum, and he's not even worse for the wear. So, but that's life as a parent of youngens.

Flipside, it's a great move to let the wife go on a girl trip because it buys incredible cashé for your future adventures. It's, you pay into it. It should. And then you get a payout that exceeds it because I don't know how your marriage is like an ATM machine. On some level. Like, I set things up in my marriage, and this is the way to do it if anybody is not married yet or is maybe not good at it, you kind of set the bar low and make your wife think there's

very little you can pull off like a weekend like she was worried about this weekend forever and i i was never really worried about i was just i was you know a little apprehensive about because i knew it was going to be a lot of work but never like am i going to be able to do this but she thought that it was going to be really difficult for me so now when i get through it all of a sudden father of the year no drama no text where is this where's that you just you got it done excellent manipulation dan hey one day you'll learn was welcome to the around the NFL podcast Monday edition a lot to get to surprisingly we have a lot of news to go through including a one of the great defenders of the last decade or so hanging up the cleats as

they say and an update on the Des Bryant situation and then yes our quarterback draft prospect series continues we're going to talk about Jake talk about Baker Mayfield with our friend Chase Good Bread, Carb. So I reached out to Chase and said, hey, any of these prospects, which one would you, you know, let's get your juice flown. What lights up your Christmas tree? We'll get you hot in the pants, Greg Rosenthal style. He said, Baker Mayfield.

And Baker Mayfield, Chase is not the only one that's getting hot in the pants about Baker Mayfield, let's be honest. Are you? With the Jets team picking? I am. It's a relative wild fire down there right now, Mark. That's the inspiration behind this whole quarterback series. I mean, this is, well, let's break it down.

Two of the people in this room are directly influenced by this. But like I said on Friday, the entire NFL is influenced by this group of four and maybe more quarterbacks that are coming out of this draft. All right. So, yes, Chase coming up later. And let's get to the news, though. And to do that, we say hello to Lindsay Fulton behind the glass. What's up?

Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm great. Are you really a millionaire? No, that's a lie. But you greenlit that opening anyway for money. I like to keep my finances. Well, you said you were likely a millionaire when you found out that you had some Bitcoin.

It turned out to be not quite six figures, but significant still. I'm not even stretching the truth because I don't really want every high school and, you know, kindergarten classmate calling me looking for money. So have you unlocked it at this point? Do you have it as cash? Oh, yeah, I have for a while. I just would really keep the amount to myself. Can't be that much because you're still kind of. showing up and punching the clock here

day after day, so it can't be too much. Not enough to retire on. All right. Well, there's some honesty. Let's do some news. He throws the pass. It's going to be picked off James Harrison in. He's running up the sideline.

35, 40. Still on his feet at the 45 and down. No, he's still on his feet. Here comes Harris to jumping over people. To the 20, the 15, the 10, the 5, and they can touch them. To me, anyway, the greatest Super Bowl play of all time, James Harrison's 100-yard interception and run back against the Cardinals

in Super Bowl 43. The Steelers Great is retiring. This time, most likely, for real. This isn't the first time Harrison said he was stepping away, but now he's 39 years old. It appeared that he was near the end last season when he caught on with the Patriots after being cut by the Steelers. He had this to say on Instagram.

I've missed way too much for way too long. I'm done. Many thanks to my family, coaches, the fans, and everyone who played a role in my football life. West, I don't remember when the first retirement was, maybe a couple of years ago. We probably did some type of retrospective then. But Harrison is a fun guy to talk about, so let's talk about him again. Yeah, I feel like we've done this conversation four times in the last four years. It seems like he retires or he's left unsigned until October every year. I know that Greg believes he's a Hall of Famer. I have a feeling. It's going to come down to, like, Terrell Suggs versus James Harrison for a Hall of Fame bid, and I would lean towards Suggs on that one. I think he's a guy, at best, we'll have to wait a long time. Like, he's going to be a guy that six, seven, eight, nine years needs to get some sort of momentum. I like the guys who have the incredible peaks. And I think from 2007 through 2011, that's a five-season period,

I would put him in the top five defensive players in the entire year, had a defensive player in the entire league. Had a defensive player of the year. A win during that time had some votes, I believe, in the top five, one or two other times, including one year. I remember Bill Belichick said it at the Super Bowl that James Harrison was the best defensive player in the league that year. That was a year where he came in fourth in the voting.

And I had some people coming at me on Twitter like, well, him or Robert Mathis. To me, Harrison wasn't just about stats. It was about he was an incredible run stuffer, an incredible guy setting the the edge, an incredible disruptor. So you can't compare him to a guy like Robert Mathis, who's just kind of an edge rusher. Harrison, to me, was more just dominant week after week for a nice stretch and then made a lot of plays over the last six or seven years, too, where he wasn't quite at that level. The only undrafted player in league history to win defensive player of the year.

And I, like, Hall of Fame stuff, I think he's an interesting case. I would want to see it based on just my fandom. But I would say that I judge players a lot of times, like as a Browns fan. who drove me the most nuts, who made me the most annoyed, and who had me the most worried for my own quarterback. And there are two players that drove me that annoyed me the most. One was Heinz Ward. I couldn't wait for him to get out of the league. That guy every week who's killing everyone. A lot of people didn't like Heinz War. I mean, but because he's a great player. And James Harrison, Dan, remember when we first started here, and we sent Colt McCoy

into the next month on Thursday at football once? I mean, James Harrison wreaked utter havoc on players. think if you were to put together, like, in two-hour-long special on his most ball-busting gigantic hits where he just detonated human beings, he was a monster. He is unlike anyone else. I love James Harrison, the idea of what he was as a football player. And as a character, he was on Hard Knocks a couple times, and he was always so interesting. Was it just the Cincinnati year? Was there a second year?

Maybe just once. But, I mean, he was a lot of fun in that season, and you got a little peek behind the curtain what he was all about. and then his famous Instagram that showed him one of my favorite Harrison stories is after the Steelers beat the Chiefs, I believe it was, last year in the playoffs, Harrison was, flew home on the team plane. He was 38 at this time or whatever. And then went back, got back to the Steelers facility at like 4 a.m. And at like 5 a.m., he's sending Instagram videos of his workout. I mean, and you would say some guys, oh, it's phony. And maybe he was doing it a little bit for show.

But that's who Harrison was. He was an insane competitor. He was a gym rat. He put $300,000 a year into his body. That was his budget for his body. And then that play that we heard right off the top, when you talk about Hall of Fame, when you have that type of marquee signature play for one of the signature NFL franchises, I think he's a Hall of Fame.

The year he won in 08, he beat DeMarcus Ware and Ed Reed, who were second and third in the voting, in two of their best seasons of their career. So that kind of shows when he was. at that level, that was where James Harrison was. It's crazy to think that back in 2003, he was on the Ravens for a brief amount of time. They sent him over to NFL Europe. He got released

by Baltimore and wound up with Pittsburgh. I mean, how different could it the Ravens have been had they had James Harrison this entire time? Moving on, the Denver Broncos are out of the C.J. Anderson business. The team is releasing the running back. Mike Garifolo reported Monday. Anderson made it just

two seasons into the four-year, $18 million deal he signed with Denver in 2016. The Broncos saved four and a half million on the cap with the move in Denver before cutting loose the running back tried to trade him. It just didn't work out. This is, Greg, is funny. It works out. This is how the position is. It's a volatile position for all teams. But with the Broncos especially, you're a 1,200 yard running back one year and you're on the street the next. You could go through a whole list of guys through the years. And Anderson's the latest one. Yeah, it makes sense in a vacuum. He hasn't been able to stay healthy. I think when

he's at his best, he's a good, he's a difference maker. He can be a good starter, but he hasn't showed it enough. And it just points out how quickly that, that Broncos championship team has been dismantled. I mean, if you think it's, it was Peyton Manning handing off to Ronnie Hillman and C.J. Anderson, uh, Akeb Talib and so many, you know, Danny Trevathan and T.J. Ward and like, yeah, they have a few players left from that team. But the guts of that team is, is long gone. It was only three years ago. I wonder if, go under if he lands in Miami, because. because they tried to sign him as a restrictive free agent a couple years ago, and then they backed out of a trade for Joanne James and C.J. Anderson a couple of months ago.

So you know the interest is there. He could be, you know, they already signed Frank Gore, but that seemed like a mercy signing at the time. Sorry, Craig. I mean, it was like Frank Gore wanted to play for the dolphins, so the dolphins are going to give him the veteran minimum, and you can come in and try to get carries, but I don't know if he's the answer.

C.J. Anderson could end up there. They don't have any running backs. Well, they have Devante Booker, And they have, they do like DeAngelo Henderson. Like, if you go back to training camp, Vance Joseph glowed over him, but he just wasn't ready. He's also only about 5 foot 8, I think. But don't you feel like they, quarterback aside,

if for some reason, Sequin Barclay falls down to number five, that could be a landing spot, Denver. And I would like that. That would give them some juice. They need it. They need some juice. John Elway got his man. He waited it out.

He knew he needed a running back. and Sequin Barclay was there all along, and then John had to make the decision. Is he going to move up to get his running back that he wanted from day one? And don't let anybody tell you otherwise. John Elway wanted his man, and he got him. So whoever Elway picks,

even if it's the guard out of Notre Dame, there's going to be a narrative where he's... He got his man. He's targeted and he's achieved his target. You let the board come to you. You stick to your board. You know, the good GMs, they stick to their board. They don't reach for need.

Best player available. And hey, just because we sign Case Keenham doesn't mean we're giving up on Paxton Lynch. We still have hope that he can turn his career around. We don't need to draft a quarterback. Right. We don't know that he's going to beat out Chad Kelly, a seventh round pick for the backup job,

but we love this guy. It's going to be a long offseason for James Palmer, our friend from NFL Network. This generational running back is for John. Moving on, yes, on the throne of slees. A lot of interest in where Robbins. Gronkowski and Tom Brady are with their head coach Tom Brady. Well, according to Adam

Schefter of ESPN, Gromk will not attend the start of New England's off-season program on Monday, fueling more talk that there's some dissension there between tight end and coach. And while we're here, Jeff Darlington of ESPN reports that

they do not expect Tom Brady to be a, quote, regular participant in the off-season program. And Greg, he's skipping the start of workouts because he's doing charity work in Katar. Cutter. Cutter?

Cutter? That's one of those things that I've read it a million times, but never heard anyone say. It's a very annoying pronunciation. It's about to be, you know, on the world stage, right? For the World Cup. Am I crazy?

There you go. And Qatar? I like that. Cutter, I believe, is how, like, most would say it in here. I only know that because of a previous job where I walked around the office, I'm calling it Qatar for a month before someone pulled me into a small office and said, Listen, you son of a bit together. If you've ever seen the late 70s movie breaking away,

that would give you an even different meaning for Cutter. Anyway, Greg, you know I like to have fun with this stuff, but let's not make too much of it. But we have heard for years that, oh, the Patriots are team where it's a given. They're going to have everybody in the building at voluntary workouts. And Tommy Boy, for all the talk through the years that he's in a football machine, now he's in Qatar, and he's like, maybe I'll be there.

I want to hang out with my boys and all that stuff. well, what's going on over there? Well, he skipped significant parts of the offseason multiple times before. So that's not totally new. The fact that he would skip the part, especially when they're just lifting weights, and he's kind of got his own training regimen, that's not too surprising. The real story to me that was new on Monday was that we're learning through Jeff Howe of the athletic and a few other reports that Gronk wants more money.

He wants a restructured contract, which puts basically everything else that's gone on from gronk this offseason into a different light. If it's really just about that he wants his contract reworked, which... What if it's about that and other things? Yeah, I would think it'd be about multiple things. But ultimately, if you're saying that money is going to solve whatever troubles I have, then it's really about the money more than anything. I mean, I came away from the owners meetings.

We all have those same conversations at night with a few certain individuals who... Some more conversations than other. Well, but some of those close to New England, they did not just bring... rush off all this stuff is non-trauma. Speaking of which, your boy, Greg, Tom Curran had an interesting article today saying that Brady is leading a pushback against Belichick and the Patriot Way that it's no longer fun that Jazele has said in Tom versus Time, he just wants to work hard, do his job, and be appreciated, and he doesn't feel like that anymore. Dan is loving it. Well, ever since Belichick's maniacal do-your-job chant at the post-game, at the,

at the festival or whatever. The Ragu Festival. The Ragu Festival. There's been some, I don't know. The Patriots Championship Festival. Wasn't it no days off? Pep Raleigh, whatever you call it. You mean no days off.

No days off. No days off. No days off. What did I say? Do your job. The ticker tape falling down upon him. I would just point out there's been a storyline of unhappy New England Patriots players. every off season.

But how many of them have been Brady? And how many of them came after someone close to Belichick or multiple people close to Belichick threw Brady under a moving bus in the Seth Wickership piece? Talking about how he's missing throws, he's no longer that good. To me, the feelings are real. 2005 did not have Alex Guerrero on the scene.

And Alex Guerrero's name keeps popping up as this person who's not even attached to the organization. And I think there's probably a subset of Patriot. fans that would like Alex Guerrero to go where the ball boys went. It's a little under the mass bike, namely. It's a little trolley to that Gronks not participating in the program, but he's still on the Patriots grounds and Alex's little like workout hut, like doing his calisthenics and stuff like that's interesting.

Do we know that? That's what we're hearing. Working out with Guerrero, which happens to be on the grounds of Gillette Stadium. This phase of offseason workouts, it should be noted, is the strength and conditioning phase run by the strength and conditioning guy, which is not Alex Guerrero friendly. So everything's fine.

You're still in that camp, Greg. Don't worry about it. No, I'm in the camp. They're definitely going to win the Super Bowl no matter what. Oh, wait, no, that was you last like six months ago. That was me, definitely. Uh-oh.

All right, Des Bryant. Let's do a little follow-up on Des. Released by the Cowboys on Friday. You know, he's really, he's all in his feelings. up on Twitter and everything. He is letting everyone know he wants revenge. He wants to go here. He doesn't want to go there. Apparently there are four teams that have shown interest according to Schefter. The Cardinals, Ravens, Bills, and Packers. Can I clean that up for you in Rotoworld? Sure.

Here's the way the tweet was phrased. Four teams that some believe could show varying levels of interest, which Roder World turned into, four teams interested in Des Bryant. That's fair. Come on, Roder World. Sun reported, well, it's not all their fault. I'm the one that put it on the podcast. Well, I mean, you're going off a road or what's supposed to be a reliable news site? The Baltimore Sun reports that the Ravens are interested in Des. So there's another source on the Ravens.

You could kind of see it. Still can't imagine Des being in another uniform, but there you go. Des and Michael Crabtree. And then I believe Des had something to say about the Packers that there was too much history there. So he's not interested in playing in Green. but it's like it does just calm down a little bit let's take a couple plays off don't talk so much let's see how the market develops for you okay yeah that's solid advice i mean you would if you or him you'd love to sign before the draft before a lot of jobs get taken but it might be tough

i mean we're seeing these reports today it's like report brown's not interested what are we going to go through like all 30 teams it sounds like he might have a hard time getting you know a starter type salary it's not the greatest wide receiver draft of all time but you're right like what happens to you after that, a lot of holes are filled? And no NFC East team has come out of the woodwork quite the opposite, which is everything we did not expect. Well, and it's a little telling. The teams that know Des Bryant the most maybe aren't that interested.

The most interesting post-Dez release thing, I believe, came from his exclusive interview with Jane Slater on NFL Network, which was saucy. And by far the most interesting part to me was where he believed that quote unquote, Garrett guys helped push him out of the building mentioned the team captain specifically. Who knows?

Maybe it could be defensive players, but the team captains on offense last year were Jason Witten and Dak Prescott. And he basically was pointing out that the Garrett guys maybe got him pushed out of the building. I like that. I'd maybe throw in Alex Guerrero as well as a

focus. You don't see that too much. You have a little teammate on teammate crime there. By the way, you brought it up before, maybe think of it. How come we haven't been poached by the athletic yet? Not even a cursory email come to us? Don't have an adequate answer for you on that. Are you guys plugged into this major shift in the sports media landscape? They seem to be concentrating more on local markets.

Yeah, it's always like athletic Boston, athletic, New York. They are hiring an impressive array of reporters, but I don't know about national reporters. Do they have podcasts? I'm sure someone will get back of me that yes, of course. They have podcasts. They have podcasts. I used to host one of them. Probably need to be in the Pro Football Writers Association.

Which you are not in. What podcast did you host for the athletic, Lindsay? The Cleveland one? Cleveland Indians, Cavs, Browns. Where do you come down in the Cleveland Indians logo controversy? I don't, I'm not getting into that right now. I'm teeing you up. Like, if you were hosting that podcast, you'd have to have a take.

I have a take on it. You just don't want to share it on this in this space. That means that you're pro- Wahoo, because, you know. I'm just saying. Let's save it for the controversial mascot podcast. Yeah. Moving on, Seabass. R-I-P.

Wahoo, by the way. Yeah. Living out his final days. It's the end of the road. Hey, guys, the Seabass has found a new home upstream in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, yeah. It's a Mark Sessler banger. You know what?

That's no, you know what that is? That is a, I am off. It's Friday. I am off in 15 minutes, and this news gets dropped in my lap. And so I am going to write it as fast. is possible. I could tell. This is about 170 words, but a fury.

The veteran kicker signed a one-year deal with the Seahawks. This was reported by Rapsheap. The team then confirmed the move. Of course, Seabas was not kicking last year. He was a member of the Raiders, but he had like, what was it, a back issue last year? Backiotomy. Injured reserve.

The entire reserve. Yes. And then the Raiders moved on without Seabass. And now he catches on in Seattle. Oh, you like this one, Mark? It feels like a pretty fun signing by the seal. I love it. I mean, I think we were all waiting for him to get back in the league somewhere.

And I think he's on the graybeards already, but. Well, that's true. From that angle, that's a big loss for you. There are other kickers out there. But I love it. I think this, I would love to see. The Seattle's had some, you know, some weird stuff with their kickers for a long time now. I don't know if the C-Bass is the, he's got to stay healthy.

It's 40, by the way. I know. But it's the same time. Like, do I want the NFL with him or without him? with him, please. I wasn't saying, like, Mark, he's 40. By the way, I'm writing these leads as a society. Simply to make you have to read them.

I don't have to. I just enjoy them. They're fun. Did you have anything to do with the headline, which is on fire? No. Seattle, Seabas. No, it was, no, hang on. It was actually in the, another headline.

Seabas in Seattle, colon, which is very nice take on sleep. I talked to NFL media programming on that one. I did not cook that up. And then whoever altered the headline in the post, lost the complete nuance of it and just made it Seattle Seabas. Let's count down. That is a bad headline.

Ship that to David Ealy. See how that conversation goes. Can't you just... Well, I mean, that's, he runs the best. Can't you just see, like, the year is 2026? And they're like, today we welcome Sebastian Janakowski

to raise the 12th man flag. He hit the game winner of the wildcard game in 2019. That's when he's coming back. There is. So I missed the bit because I, I was conferring with Wes about something on the podcast then. My apologies. That's my fault.

It was a very solid bit. Yeah, you probably deserved some pop there, but I missed it. It's sort of a Seahawks pregame bit. I expected it to be tuned out. It's good. I liked it. I distracted him with my handwriting. And, you know, but it was probably good.

There is news that Wes reminded me of that Eric Kendricks of the Vikings signed a five-year, $50 million extension with the team in Wes. I'll get right to you on this because you reminded. me of it. What's the deal with Eric Kendricks? You like that? Well, he's the first Vikings defender since Rip Hawkins in 1961 to 1964 to lead the team in total tackles in each of his first three seasons. He's the beating heart of that front seven, which is one of the best in the NFL. And for all of this idea that the Vikings wouldn't be able to pay their nucleus players after paying Kirk Cousins, they're off to a pretty good start

there. They already have Harrison Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Everison Griffin, Lynn, Joseph, locked up. All these guys are all pros and pro bowlers. Anthony Barr and Daniel Hunter are next on the list. They'll have to pay Stefan Diggs, too. But I think it points to how well Rick Spielman has drafted, especially on defense. Wouldn't surprise me if Barr is near the top of our free agent rankings a year from now. I would have been surprised three years ago that Kendricks would have been such a priority over

Barr, but I'm not anymore because he's kind of turned into the core key player. I don't know if they're going to be able to keep Anthony Barr long term. And I don't necessarily believe they probably feel like they have to. I think Kendrix to them is the bigger difference maker. Finally, Sean Payton is not thrilled. He's not flying. He's not over the moon about this draft class, specifically the quarterbacks, telling Monday morning quarterback that there is no prospect as good as Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz in this draft.

and he added this, I'd feel a little bit uneasy if I were at the top of this draft and I decided I had to have a quarterback. Pay attention, Mark, and myself. The pressure to get a quarterback is so great in this league. I get that, but we can't create them. I wouldn't be surprised if only one of these guys was left standing in four or five years. Whoa. And if so, I'd guess it would be Sam Darnold.

Your thoughts on that, Mark. Well, I mean, I don't think he's the first person to come out and say there is no. But out of the league? I guess left standing meant maybe a starter. I think it's a really good stuff. I think odds tell you that if you're going to pick five in the first half of the first round, probably two of them are legit three or four years from now. I mean, you'd want it to be more.

All I'd say, though, is that even when Carson Wentz, now you're saying no one is Carson Wentz, when Carson Wentz was in this same exact part of the process, opinions on him were all over the map. And even after Carson Went's first season, people weren't convinced about Carson Wentz. And a year ago, you know, it's nice in October when everyone can say, I knew Deshawn Watson was going to blow up and make the Texans offense the most

the fun thing to watch in the league. But at this time a year ago, there weren't a lot of people hot on Deshawn Watson either. So, you know, let's see. A bit of revisionist history from Sean Peyton, putting how Wentz was evaluated on par with Andrew Luck, who was viewed as the most can't miss prospects since Elway or Peyton Manning. Whereas Wentz, a lot of people did believe in him, but he had a lot of doubters, too. Maybe just maybe it's, he's being honest. because it's surprising to hear

just because you would think he'd be in the market for a quarterback, especially considering it's a great sliding doors moment for the NFL, like they were going to take Patrick Mahomes. Like that had been reported. A couple of people within the Saints said that. They were ready to do it. They wind up with Marshawn Lettimore instead.

Maybe he doesn't see a guy that he would take, you know, that he would have been as excited about as he was with Mahomes. And that makes sense. Well, I think he's also saying if you're up there at number one and number three, and there's these teams that, listen, barring something totally unexpected, you are going quarterback and you're kind of stuck in a position to take one

because you've not had one, and your fan base, unless you're like 48, 49 years old, you don't remember the Jets or Brownser, fill in the blank bills, having one of these players, you're pressured into making this move, and that's where you get into trouble with a front office and coaching stuff. And by the way, if you are asking, because for a second, past my mind as well,

which was what's Sean Payton know about, you know, developing a quarterback from scratch and all that. He had Drew Brees fall into his lap and they've been flying ever since. He was the Dallas Cowboys quarterback's coach and assistant coach back in 2003 through 2005, which was right when Tony Romo came into. Cowboys would not have had Tony Romo if it were not for Sean Payton. Was he connected to the Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson era in Dallas? He started in 2003, so you can do the numbers there.

I'm not sure. He went, he and Roma went to the same school, and he lobbied. hard for Tony Romo and is the huge reason that the Cowboys went with him. He was also the University of Illinois quarterbacks coach for a single season in 1996. Did a great job with Kerry Collins in New York. I think that was what really helped. Oh, yeah, that's right. National notice.

He was the quarterback's coach for the Giants in 99. Oh, yeah. Then promoted Greg to offensive coordinator. He wasn't John Fox the de-coordinator on that team? He sure was, Wes. I believe he was. Good staff. Nice staff.

When you're taking... Right at the top of the chain, who was it, Mark? Jim Fossel is in. Oh, for the Giants. Oh, please. WFAN, nonstop chatter on Jim Fossel back in the days. His son, a talented special teams... Yes, all right.

John Fossil. Let's move on now. Bones. Wait, John Fossel's the AVC 20-20 correspondent. What's his name? Is it John Fossil? The... Who's Jim Fossil's son?

Jim Fossil's son? Yeah. Bones? Oh, Bones is Jim? Yeah. Bones is his son, yeah. The Rams special, the best special team coordinator in the league. On the next episode, we'll have our next edition of, you know,

Tales from the 2001 Giants Wikipedia page. John Fossel was the Giants coach. You're thinking of Stossel. And then went to the news guy. And then went to the UFL. Right. Jim Fossel is John Fossel's son. Is that right?

I think it's the other way around. Dan briefly named dropped John Stossel, the newsman. That guy wasn't afraid. to get the heavy news. Fossil wormhole. Mustache. And Mark Sanchez got suspended four games. That is not good for free agency stock.

That's what's happening in the news. All right. Just kind of rolling over Sanchez. Do we have anything to say? That was a news bomb. Third string quarterback last year. Is he even in the league? He's a free agent and that is not going to help him get a gig.

Just one of many, you know, members from that Jets team to eventually end in ruin. Ruin. Are you talking about Rex Ryan? Mark's best friend? No, I don't know. These guys are all making money. They have made a lot of money, and they will continue to make a lot of money. Can we call Rex right now?

Talk about Marks. We discuss this. We'll do it at a time that fits. We don't cold call. Mark Sanchez is in the news. We can call Mark Sanchez. He had a tattoo of Mark. He did have a tattoo of Mark Sanchez.

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won the Heisman trophy last year, also a little bit of heat. Chris Wesleying, a little controversy. I know you bounced around at some universities throughout your younger years. I matriculated. Several different places. And you probably got yourself

in a little bit of trouble here and there, I would say. Maybe Mayfield type trouble. Maybe a little incident at a food truck. I never beamed anyone in the head on purpose. Right. Maybe made an obscene gesture at some point. I'm not big on obscene gestures. All right.

Another man not big on. obscene gestures because he's a southern gentleman of the highest order. His name is Chase Goodbred. He writes, he's our lead writer. I don't even know if that's the title, but I'm going to call him the lead writer for our college football 24-7 coverage

on NFL.com. Carbs, what's up, buddy? Welcome back to the around the NFL podcast. Glad to be back in here after that debut around the Combine. Good to be in. Yeah, you were a breakout star at the Combine. and I did

I might be springing this on you but at the end of this conversation because I did tease it at the combine I'm going to need your top five Drive by Truckers songs let's save that for the end and I hope you have it on top of your head, Chase it's a little pressure for you.

Easily done. All right, very good. Ultra confidence. So I reach out to Chase because Chase, you know, he's a dude. He killed it last time he was on the show and I said we have

XYZ prospects to talk about and which one jumps out to you or the one that you would like to talk about the most and you did not hesitate chase you said give me baker mayfield tell me why mayfield's the guy that you wanted to talk about on our show you know he's so intriguing uh with his skill set with his personality he's kind of an outlier among the other quarterbacks in the draft in those ways he's uh he's going to be a fun watch no matter how things play out for him and it's such a quarterback rich draft and it's looking like there's so much interest at the quarterback with the jets moving up the way they did the bills have already moved up once

who knows if they'll try to move up again it's going to be it's going to be a good time and and mayfield's i kind of think mayfield's going to break out and be the guy that i mean i guess you could say jared golf is already kind of that guy because he played in a kind of a cousin of the air raid. You know, this air raid college offense has gotten this horrible reputation as an offense that just does not translate at all in the NFL. And Jared Gov being so strong as he was in year two coming out of that cow offense, which was a cousin of the air raid.

They called it the bear raid, of course, at Cal. Mayfield played in an air raid cousin, too, at Oklahoma. And I think he's going to do just fine at the next level. So if golf was the first, then I think Mayfield will be the second. If he was an inch and a half taller, would he be the no-brainer number one pick? I don't know if he'd be a no-brainer because, you know, there's so much talent with Donald and some of these other guys involved. I don't know.

I don't know that no-brainer is a label that I would put on it, but he would definitely, he would definitely grade better, I think. The height's a concern. It has to be. There's only a couple of quarterbacks that short. in the NFL, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and that's pretty much it. So that's definitely something that he's going to have to get past. And laying with the right team will be a big part of that for him.

I mean, I know you find him to be the most fascinating quarterback of the group. If you are a GM sitting at, you know, you've got your first pick of quarterbacks, where does he fall in this group? Is he your number one guy? And why can I not imagine you answering every one of these questions with like a tumbler of bourbon in your hand? It feels that way with you. Chase?

Well, yeah, I think he probably would be. Chase, like, well, yes, I am drunk. Now I continue my statements. I'm looking forward to seeing how Lamar Jackson pans out, too. We talked about that last time. I think Jackson's an electric player and kind of a wild card in this whole thing, too. And if you go back and look at past drafts, you can see it all over the place. that it doesn't fall the way

it's drafted in terms of who's going to shake out the best. I mean, you know, look at Derek Carr, for instance. I think he was the fourth quarterback picked in his draft and he's turned out great for the Raiders. It's just, you just never know it takes more than a year. It takes a couple of three years, but

Mayfield's going to be fun and you know, his he's got that big chip on his shoulder too, which I know is going to be something. He'll probably have to rain back a little bit. you know, I don't know if y'all saw a couple weeks ago. It was reported that he actually keeps a list of media members that he feels like

have been overly critical of him. This guy's great. That's probably an edge. He'll have to smooth over a little bit. Don't you want an NFL quarterback with an edge? Don't you want an NFL quarterback with an edge? I mean, I know some of the stuff he's done. To me, it sounds like what NFL teams would want out of their quarterback, that insane competitive

level. I think it's good to have. have that motivational edge. I think it's good to have a chip on your shoulder, but I also think that if your rabbit ears are too tall for criticism, that can be a bad thing. Okay. Especially if you land in a huge market like New York, you know, let's say the Jets end up with Baker Mayfield, and he has a rough go, his first couple years as a starter.

He better have some extra blank pages in the back of that notebook where he's keeping track of all this, right? That's like my question with it is you're keeping this list. Is it guys to shun? Is it guys to seek out to do interviews with? Are you looking to assassinate these reporters? Like, what is it a hit list? What is it exactly?

I don't even understand it. Yeah. Well, I think only Baker's seen it more than likely. But, you know, who knows? It's probably just something he's kind of keeping new himself and maybe at opportune times are you on it? Are you on somebody? Do you think you're on a car? Who knows? You know, I did a long form on him in the fall. I don't think I was overly critical. I thought it was pretty fair. But who knows? Maybe I'll, maybe I'll find out one day.

Don't you think the perception of the spread or air raid quarterbacks and even his size has changed over the last few years to the point that we are talking about Baker Mayfield as a top 10 pick? because it doesn't seem like it's really hurting his stock. Whereas maybe if he was coming out, you know, when Russell Wilson was coming out or a few years back that maybe teams would look at him differently, because it doesn't seem like there's a ton of doubt. PFF had a great note that, you know, they keep track of something they call basically NFL throws. And even though he has all those easy throws in that offense, they thought he had the eighth most NFL throws in terms of attempts

of any quarterback in the country last year, and they rated him as the most effective quarterback in the country on those types of throws. I would think at this point, teams should be looking at what he did and think, wait, that translates to the NFL. That looks a lot like what the Eagles did in the playoffs throughout. The fact that he can handle the ball well,

the fact that he's clearly good at play action, that he's versatile, that he can be in the shotgun. It's like, that is NFL football now. or at least it's a lot closer to it, don't you think? Yeah, the NFL has definitely trended more toward catering to the college spread office, doing things that these college quarterbacks are more comfortable with. You definitely see that. But the air raid's been a little bit of an outlier for that.

And it's interesting, you know, the history of Mike Leach at Washington State is basically the active godfather of the air raid. and Lincoln Riley, who's the head coach at Oklahoma, kind of learned at the foot of Mike Leach. And when he left Leach and Texas Tech went on, did his own thing. He took the head job at East Carolina. He tweaked it. He changed it. He created something a little bit different.

So what you have at Oklahoma isn't exactly the pure air raid. And one of the things that makes it different is that Baker Mayfield had a lot of control at the line of screen. image at Oklahoma, whereas in a lot of air raids, the quarterback is really just looking over the sideline and getting all its cues. Mayfield had more audible authority and just ran things, you know, changing protections and all that kind of stuff. That'll help them at the next level a lot. He, to me, is the, like, F it, let's just go for it, guy to take in this draft. I'm thinking about the Jets with a three-pick, because it could go terribly wrong.

It could go as wrong potentially as Manzell went in Cleveland, although it's maybe unfair to say that they're the same type of guy because it's not the same issues that we know of, but that it could be this guy that's all style and no actual substance. But there's a lot of differences in their game as well. Like any talk about Mansell and Mayfield has been about some of the off-the-field stuff and the swagger type stuff. Like these are very different football players, right, Chase?

They are, and I kind of dealt with that a little bit in the feature story. You know, it's people want to lump Mayfield and Manzell into the same category because they have, you know, they were so brash at the college level. They've had, you know, an incident or two off the field, et cetera. And their playing style was a little on the reckless side for sure. So there are a lot of superficial similarities, I guess. could say, similarities on the surface. But when you dig a little deeper, there are some big differences. Mayfield, for instance, I think at least scouts have told me had far better footwork than Mansell, did a better job of seeing the field than Mansell. And, you know, he didn't

exactly have Mike Evans where he could just toss lobs like Mansell did and get tons of production from a guy that was just bigger and stronger and taller than everybody else to catch the ball like Evans was. Seems like if there's a concern for him, he relies a lot on his athleticism, but he reminded me a little bit of, like, he's not quite Tyrod Taylor. Like, he's very careful.

He doesn't turn the ball over too much, but he waits until someone's open. And that would be my concern with him is that, like, if you're relying on your athleticism at the next level, He's not quite Tyrod Taylor athletically. No one is quite Russell Wilson in terms of their ability to make plays after scrambles. And if he's overly relying at that at the next level, like that's a bit of a concern. I know he's very accurate and everything, but he seemed like he was a guy who sometimes would be waiting a little too long for the play to develop.

Yeah, Mansell kind of wanted a touchdown on every snap. And even though Mayfield's got the instinct to extend the play, and always try to make something out of nothing. I think Mayfield definitely has a little bit more of a sense of field position, scoreboard situation, you know, will a field goal do here, you know, that kind of thing. So, you know, all that plays into it. But it's, and, you know, be fun to see him in Miami, right? And I think a couple of the mock drafts on NFL media have got a mock to the

dolphins. So that'll be, and that could end up working out if the Darnolds and the Rosans and those guys go first. Where interesting players go to disappear, Miami. Chase, before we let you go and before we get into our top five drive-by truckers songs, I want to touch on that long form that you put out last week on Dubuque cornerback, Michael Joseph, who's one of the best stories of the draft. You want to just give people a little heads up what the story's about, and then we could send them your direction yeah absolutely michael joseph is not a name you'll hear about on the on the first day or probably the second day either he'll be a third day pick maybe a late pick he's from the university of duke which is a walk-on program in iowa it's a division three program he was 130 pounds in

high school five foot eight and was totally unrecruited nobody wanted him and he managed to kind of halfway sneak his way onto the roster at Dubuque, and from there, the story is kind of Disney-like. He put on, you know, 10 pounds a year. He wasn't even part of the team, actually, his first year on campus, had to work out on his own. And, you know, it kept getting a little bigger and kept getting a little stronger and a little taller, and it took a whole lot of work, and there was a lot of adversity involved. But on the other side of it, he comes out the best, he got an award as the best small school defensive back in the country. He's now 6-1-185, roughly, had a pro-day at Iowa State, where he ran

in the low four-fives. And, you know, to go from where he was to where he is is pretty remarkable. I love the, I read this this morning, and you talk about how Michael Joseph had to, on his own, put together a highlight reel of his, what, I think it was 16 plays he played on the high school team. And the first play was an incompletion where he nearly was burnt for a touchdown. And his friend was like, this video needs some work. That sounds like my high school highlight tape, by the way. So we got to think. Yeah, something else.

He actually, when he finished the first cut of his highlight video that he was going to try to get himself recruited with, it was less than three minutes long. And he thought that was too short. So he went back and added all the opposing quarterback's pre-snap cadences to lengthen the Stretch it out. And then his friend mentioned that he's like every play is in garbage time. There's a lot of work needs to be done on this sizzle reel, Michael Joseph. It was all he had, but I guess it was enough.

Do they give you a vanity URL on this? Chase for people to go check it out? NFL.com slash Michael Joseph. Beautiful. So check that out. And last but not least, this is what everybody's been waiting for. And if you don't know drive-by truckers, tell me if you're, this is a good way to introduce them to the audience.

They're from Athens, Georgia, been around about 20 years now. Great, like, kind of southern rock, guitar, guitar rock type band. Alt country. Alt country. Like a great bar band almost that went big. Is that fair? Only one slight correction. Okay.

They're actually from Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Oh, my goodness. That's a big correction. I apologize. That's all right. Athens is where they kind of, pulled themselves together as a band, but the roots are definitely

in Muscle Shoals, which is steeped in music history, as I'm sure you all know. Of course. I'm writing a long form on that right now. There's a great, there used to be a great documentary on Netflix about the Muscle Shul's music scene. Really? It's used to. They canceled

out there. You wouldn't believe in the list of people that recorded there. All right. Here we go. It's time for the top five. Do it. Let's start with five and go to one. All right, five to one, ghost to most. Ghost to most, number five. Cotton Seed at four, also Mike Cooley, Heathens,

Patterson Hood's song that I like a whole bunch. Got some really good slide guitar from Jason Isbell in that one, who's no longer with the band. What number we at? That's number three. Heathens, three. Yeah, number three, heathens. The sands of Iwojima comes in.

Oh, wow. Oh, that hit number two? Oh, yeah. Craig's writing the cell down. And then the number one... Wait, wait, let me get it. Let's build this up. A little timpani, please.

Quick drum roll. The number one... I got to be Zip City. No question about it. That is... To me, Zip City is the drive-by truckers stairway to heaven. Real.

Zip City, and I would play a portion of it right now if the Shadowy League figures weren't so afraid of their own shadows, unfortunately. Wow. So instead, you'll just have to look it up, Zip City off Southern Rock Opera. There you go.

Five essential drive-by trucker's songs from Chase Good Bread. Again, check them out on Twitter at Chase Good Bread. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And check out his new long form on Michael Joseph. And thank you very much for giving us a little Baker-Mayfield

Insight, Chase. Good to hear from you, Carbs. All right. Enjoy it, guys. All right. And there he goes. carbs off into that good night. I meant to ask him because it was, there was an irony to the last time we saw him at the Combine, a man that some people call carbs had cut out carbs. He was denying himself himself.

Right, which was, that's a tough thing to do, you would think. Yeah, as he's still doing that. That would be a long stretch. That was a long time ago. His bod would be pretty tight if he was still doing it. Very tight. Next time he's on the show. A reminder on Friday.

self-hating stuff right there. Can't even have cards. Reminder, next Friday, or this Friday, the return of you're the GM. And get ready for that. And that's it. Anybody else have anything to say about today in the NFL? I got no dukes.

Nice sweater, bro. It's making its debut on the podcast. See that? I noticed it. Well, it's a little, you know, sneaky cool today in L.A. A little bit, a little bit of a breeze. All right. He says as there's 23 inches of snow in Green Bay.

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