NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jets-Bills Week 1 MNF Recap

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap the Monday night football battle between the Jets and the Bills, breaking down this emotional week one finale and what it means for both teams. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Jets get the takeaway at the four-yard line, second down in goal. Zach Wilson drops back, lob left for Garrett Wilson. One-handed catch. Oh, he's got it. That's a jet touchdown. Garrett Wilson with an unbelievable self-tip. The one-handed snagged. And the Jets are a point after away from a tie.

Robert Salaf, will he call time out? The snap, the placement down, the kick is on the way. It's got plenty of distance. It hits the upright and goes through. It's good. Tyler Bass hit the left upright and got the right carol. It snuck through the force, and we are tied with two seconds to go. Low snap.

And getting away a line drive kick of Sam Martin, Gibson runs under it at the jet 35 starts to his left gets to the 40 turns the corner at the 45 50 blocks is and run at the 40 at the bills 30 takes out the 20 stubborn step to the 10 to the 5 touchdown and it's a jet touchdown this game is over what a way to end Monday night football Gibson's going to take this one back 63 yards for the touchdown. One of the last players to make the jet roster out of training camp just took it to the house to win in overtime for the Jets. Bob wasusion and Marty Lyons, Jets Radio.

It started out as the most anticipated night in the history of the New York Jets before quickly turning into. to maybe the biggest nightmare the organization has ever faced playing out on prime time to the horror of me and countless other Jets fans who are still processing with the fallout of what certainly seems like the end of the road for Aaron Rogers in 2003 after suffering a torn Achilles tendon, or that's the fear here on the fourth snap of the game, almost impossible to think about it. but that is the reality of the situation and to the credit of the Jets and their coaching staff. And that team, they battled back and at least you can call it a Pyrrhic victory.

But it was something that I'll always remember, 22-16 overtime win on over the rival bills with Xavier Gibson, taking back the punt return, 65 yards to the house. Dan Hads us here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Oh, what a roller coaster. I mean, a roller coaster. They haven't invented the ride yet, boys, to properly explain the feeling that I have right now. But that's life. That's sports.

It is sports. And it's like even as a non-Jets fans, it's a weird moment to process it as a football fan and watching this because actually as I walked up the stairs at NFL that work I hadn't seen the post game press conference and it felt like such a special moment for the Jets because it's everything

that sports is it's brutal that Rogers left so quickly and frustrating and you want to just curse the gods and you're watching Zach Wilson and you're so angry about that and then the game ended up being just this stupid performance by Josh Allen and this beautiful performance

by the Jets and they end of winning on that special teams and their defense and their offense and even Brees Hall coming back and it actually felt kind of amazing and beautiful. Even if Robert Sala says he wanted to enjoy it. And by the time I walked upstairs, you hear Robert Sala basically confirm the worst and that they expect it to be confirmed. And you're kind of right back where you started. He says he's going to enjoy it tonight, but I know it's going to be hard for Jets fans

for you too, Dan. I mean, from a holistic team angle, and we learned about the Jets and who they are so much over the past month and a half, you just look at like what Jordan Whitehead did tonight and Quincy Williams and Garrett Wilson's absolutely incredible touchdown grab. Like there's so much hope inside this organization, kind of no matter what. But like I walked up those steps today too. And I walked up them with Dan and like I'm just like. we it's so it's so absurd to me dan like conversation we had where we're just like this is this we've been you have been through so much with the jets and like i went through with the browns in my own way and like we were like tonight will be different it has to be because of so many factors that suggest

that and um i don't know you know like yeah the other events of this game because i like i'm a note taker and so i'm like taking endless notes about what's happening on snap after snap and it's like the minute what happened to Aaron Rogers, you know, after he's like essentially bulldozed three snaps in a row, and then he's gone. It's like, I don't, I don't, yeah, it's like, cool. Your house burned down,

then the ice cream man drove up and gave you a free snow cone. But it's like, it's a nice victory for the Jets. It says a lot about who they are. But I don't think that if you're like, the guy that gave the middle finger is basically all of, all of football fans that have been through a tough time. And I, and I feel for you, Dan.

I appreciate that market and I did think about that conversation as well after we finished the podcast and the NFL plus taping. We walked up the steps and headed out towards the parking lot and you asked me how I was feeling about the game and I was having a lot of anxiety about it and it was building. And I had said this to Colleen on the end of the hard knocks run that the excitement wasn't there as much is just this feeling that I had knowing the way things go as a fan of the Jets that like the summer and that's why I kind of said it on the show. the summer was special and people got annoyed with me and got annoyed with the coverage of the Jets. But I like savored every moment of the summer and the spring and the hype around the team because A, it didn't happen a lot. It hasn't happened a lot with this team. And B, I knew from experience that these things, they don't tend to always work out. And, you know, of course, I'm going to go on the show last week and say the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl because that's the type of

fan I am. I always hope for the best. But that annoying anxiety that I had was the very, very real feeling that something was going to happen. And I said it to you, Mark, this afternoon, this morning. I said, I can, I'll be okay if this season ends with Rogers not playing at a high level and the Jets being a disappointment. And then, but at least you took a shot. And it made sense. The logic checked out, as I said, over and over this summer. The logic checks out that this is a big time team. What I wouldn't be able to live with is something bad happening, an injury early on happening. And damn it, if it's not a torn Achilles.

And let me tell you something about torn Achilles because that's something that is personal to me as well. This summer, I was with my father on vacation in Texas and watched him tear his Achilles right in front of me. And I watched the way he limped to the car after it happened. And I learned that day that, oh, you could tear your Achilles and still walk you just have a bad limp and i saw him get off that cart in a bad limp and i was like oh god is that what it could be and then when you heard the chefter reporting and and the talk about

the calf ripple um it just felt you know it felt bad and then i started texting the insiders ean and mike gee and and i was asking for you know tell me some good news and and um garafalo who is a really good guy and he knows that you know i'm a new york new jersey guy and And I said to Mike, sorry, I got a lot of text tonight. I said to Mike at 714, tell me it's not over. And he wrote, I can't. And he was at the scene tonight. And the Achilles is also a conversation I had hours before the kickoff.

I was texting with some family from back home, fellow tortured Jets fans. And I said, even though, you know, in terms of anticipation, and an excitement for the Jets. Nothing's ever going to top when you're young. So for me, the 1999 season, when they were coming off the AFC title game appearance and they had Parcells and Belichick and Elway had retired and Vinny was their top quarterback and Kishon was there. And the idea of that season was the Jets were the favorites to go to the Super Bowl.

They played the Patriots in week one. And Vinny Testa Verdi dropped back on a handoff. The snap led to a fumble on the handoff. He lurched forward toward the ball, and he tore his Achilles tendon in week one, game one, of the most hotly anticipated Jets season of that decade for it to happen the same injury, the same week of the season, after the same, if not more so, hype. I'm not feeling sorry for myself, and Jets fans know it's hard not to feel sorry for yourselves and feel like you're cursed. you got to deal with a night of Twitter of people just making bits and jokes and like but it's almost impossible to think that that happened tonight and i'm still processing as we as we talk right now and i think i've been talking for like five minutes and i apologize but no you should it's almost

impossible that that happened tonight no i i wasn't texting um but i i don't think you uh need to hear i almost feel like you don't need to hear from mark and i too much on this show but let me just say one more thing right if someone had told us if somebody had told us four hours ago exactly what would happen in the next four hours it just would not have believed it and i'll say one more thing and this is the i didn't choose to be a jets fan i was born into it i i couldn't opt out of it if i wanted to and again people that listened to the show get annoyed that dan talks about the jets too much uh you know they're they're either not relevant or now they're relevant and he still talks about him too much well that's just the way it is that's why i

do what I do. That's how I fell in love with sports because I fell in love with the New York teams and the Jets in football. They are my team. And I'm just living through it. And I got to say that like as crushing as tonight is, watching and I was catatonic boys. I literally when it happened and you knew it was serious right away just by the way he reacted. I didn't speak for two hours maybe and thank you because my wife brings me atitos i don't know if that's legal up but i'm having one right now deserved i would say i think that's legal what was were your was your family members uh your kids emily talking to you the kids the kids after the injury and daddy got really intense and quiet they fleed the scene um emily who's a big hard knox fan and was super

excited to watch this season the jets with me this year uh she was she went and was you know making dinner for the kids and I just watched the game in silence and you know the way the game played out uh with the jets falling behind seemingly not having a backup plan at all for Zach Wilson and and seeing how that game plan was unfolding you have Peyton manning come on at half time and say you know I got to you know he couldn't even muster as a broadcaster like any reason to continue watching the fact that they were able to get back into the game and when they tie the game and then now my sons are back in the living room with me and my wife and in my dog who's sensing a lot of energy and

excitement and then the field goal hits the upright and of course it drops over the crossbar and then for that punt the release and the happiness in my house tonight and the celebration of lifting up my kids and lifting up my dog and then us all collapsing together on the couch like that's that's what sports is and like the season is lost like the jets this is going to be another year it's going to be 55 years without a Super Bowl But I think I kind of learned something tonight about, like, why I love sports and because it's those moments. It's like those special moments. So the season might not end in a special way.

And I've already, and every Jets fan has more or less resigned themselves to that. But you got tonight. And tonight was a special game on 9-11. And my last kind of comment is like, you can't take away what happened with Xavier Gibson there. You can't take away Iron Rogers running out of that tunnel with the American flag. on the 22nd anniversary 9-11 like those are two my favorite moments sports moments that I've ever had the fact that it happened on this and that maybe the most crushing night in jet's history i mean it's it's it's Greek tragedy or whatever you want to call it uh but it was it was a wild

night here it really was it's really well said and I think it does really get to what sports is like I was trying to say it and you said it much more artfully like that that moment was special, that there was something, and, like, that's why we watch everything, and then you hear Sal, after the game, I guess we've gone on long enough. Let's hear Robert Sala talk to the media about Rogers. Stitos is good. How do you process your emotions right now to say a great win for you guys, but the Aaron injury? That part sucks.

I'm going to enjoy this win, winning in the NFL. hard regardless of who the quarterback is. Personally, I don't hurt for me. I don't hurt for our locker room. I hurt for Aaron and how much he's invested in all of this. You know, so I'm still going to say prayer. I'm still going to hold out hope. But, you know, my, my heart's with Aaron right now and nowhere else. And that's the thing. By the way, I'm so impressed with Robert Sell, not just as a coach, but just as a guy how he answers these questions. He also, to start, didn't beat around the Bush basically said, you know, he thinks it's bad and, and they'll wait tomorrow to have that confirmed, but to have his team play like that says a lot. And he raised a good point.

As much as it sucks for everyone involved, man, it sucks for Aaron Rogers, who's turning 40 later this year and is an all-time great and has provided so many moments for us as fans and he was so excited about this opportunity. It was really, however it was going to turn out, it was going to be fascinating and a totally different experience for him and for him to have it cut short like it is, it is just brutal and you feel for him. The one thing though I'd say, to your point, Dan, I love what you said. And like, you know, like some of these teams that go through the darkest moments like they wind up in really mysterious unexpected places. I told you today about that Steelers team that lost 51 nothing out of the gate and lost like

35 nothing the next week. It's like this might be the worst team in football and they went on and Damashek and I used to talk about the Steelers team to have one of the most like incredible journeys. They weren't great but they were the most lovable team of that entire season. And I'm saying that about a Steelers team. It's just like the one thing I took away from the rest of the game tonight is like a weaker team just collapses you've like the whole it seemed like Aaron Rogers during hard knocks was like obviously the pole star the sun everything's shown around him um maybe the only true adult almost in a way and it's like they looked up to him so much but then the way they responded tonight and to do what they did to the bills um there's still a lot going on

with his team and i get it like the expectations are totally different um but it still remains the Jets and the future of the Jets and who they are and like they're well coached. and, like, I think of both New York coaches what they've gone through this week. And it's like, I have a lot of faith in Robert Sala to, like, continue to guide this journey. I just do. And I kind of think, like, it's not going to, it takes everything away from a Jets fan to have what happened in the first five, six minutes of this game. But it's like, football's weird. And maybe what comes out of this and what's birth is like the true Jets team.

That's just all, it's just the one little kernel of hope I put in there that like there may be this, other journey that we didn't expect, and it might be the most special path there could be. I love it. I love the idea of it, Mark. I see the way, and this is the other thing that, you know, I said numerous points in the spring and summer that I was never comfortable that Zach Wilson was just like plopped in at the number two quarterback spot because it was an older quarterback, because he had failed so spectacularly. And I did sense at the, and I understand it, like nobody could have imagined the horror of what happened there in that first drive. But you saw the way Nate Hackett was just staring at that play sheet, just trying to figure out what to use. They were not ready

to deal with the Zach Wilson of it all. And I know he made a couple throws in this game. I'll cycle back to that 99 season again, because as the great Chris Wessling, I'd love to hear from West tonight, by the way. The great Chris Wessling often said history is instructive. The Jets shell-shocked after Vinnie blew his Achilles turned to Rick Meyer. another former first-round pick who washed out of Seattle. And he floundered for multiple weeks. And they eventually turned to kind of a gadget quarterback named Ray Lucas, who with a lot of grit, I think they won six of their last nine games.

And they went eight and eight that season. And Rich Samini, who covers the Jets and knows Jets history better than anyone, is often wrote, like, and Bill Parcells has said himself, like, that was his greatest coaching job. It was like getting that team after how crushing and how devastating, stating week one was to just compete and believe in themselves again and be a team that hung in games week after week. I think that's really like realistically for me, given that they don't have a Kurt Warner on this roster that I know of. It is this idea of kind of leaning on this

defense and this running game and finding a way to hang around in the playoff race. They got to win today and and that would that defined success now you have to recalibrate that and if the jets would have lost 24 to 3 tonight i don't think anybody would have been surprised i don't think anybody would even been down on the jets because from where they it was looking that way it was 13 to 3 i had no i believe that they were going to come back in this case i have so much like i have so much admiration as you guys are saying for the job of these players who just decided that they weren't going to be um sad sacks here and just be part of this like incredibly frankly, sad moment in the history of the organization.

And they made it a special night for those 80,000 people in the stadium who were just as shell-shocked and people like me watching at home. Should we talk a little bit about the bill side of this? I don't know if you want to get into the jet. I do want to talk to the bill side and the game at some point. But while we're talking about the season ahead, the question's going to quickly turn to if not Zach Wilson. And I know it'll be Zach Wilson next week And they're going to want Zach Wilson to work But tonight was disturbing

He looked mostly like he was always Disturbing on so many levels Right Well there's already whispers of Carson Wentz Right, his performance was disturbing And I know he made a couple throws later But there was all the Zach Wilson stuff There was the staring down interception

There was running backwards I counted 29 yards behind the line of scrimmage On a screen past thing He loves that There was just crazy stuff And everything you said about that 8-and-8 team, I hear, but then I see this Jets defense, which made Josh Allen look like a fool, four turnovers, eight quarterback hits, everything that they do, and that this could be the very best defense in the league.

And then you saw Breece Hall tonight. What a special surprise. What a special player. Then you see Garrett Wilson make one of the catches of all time on a bad Zach Wilson throw that he turned into a touchdown and you think what a special player and you think these players deserve more than Zach Wilson and there are opportunities out there for an organization that is kind of all in and salary cap wise and all that stuff and draft picks like I would be willing to give up some sort of draft pick or something for a veteran that's better now whether that's a free agent like

Carson Wentz whether that's a mid-round pick for pick a name Jacoby Brissette James Winston Teddy Bridgewater. I know these aren't going to get Jets fans excited, but I look at this roster. And I think with a quarterback maybe at that level, this is a team that can go out and compete every week and maybe make the playoffs and serve those other players better than 16 weeks of Zach Wilson might. And it has to be a conversation in the Jets front office in the next few days. The ceiling, yeah, the ceiling to me with as currently constituted this roster with Zach Wilson is about eight wins. And I agree with you, like, it would be a shame to waste another year of this defense

being all together and being as talented they are and a potentially special running game with Breeze Hall, who still isn't even Breeze Hall yet. I mean, the fact that he got run down from behind on 83 yards, that was telling he was not getting caught last year, even that first initial run to the left side where he picked up about 20. You could tell he's not all the way back and you just hope as the season goes along, he does get all the way back like I hear you and I wonder I just I get frustrated because um this was always a possibility this wasn't a remote possibility there was always a decent chance that you

would need your number two quarterback to step in and I just think they had this this very cute in my mind plan which was Zach Wilson will sit behind Aaron Rogers for one to three years and then he will hand the reins over in 2006 and then he will he will fulfill his destiny as a good draft pick by the jets and I think they've left themselves very vulnerable here and I think Nathaniel Hackett would admit that to you in private if you asked them but I like it Greg I going after like a Jake brisket it's not exciting especially with the amount of excitement entering tonight but that would give them a puncher's chance to maybe get to 10 wins and they'd have to give a premium that they wouldn't have had to at some point obviously in the office

season when he was reading. Well, they'll have a first round pick next year, Greg. Well, it can't be a first. You cannot be giving up first for these guys. But whether it's a third that like upgrades to a second, depending on how he plays, something like that. To me, it's a whole year of your life. And they're a little screwed anyways that I think that'd be worth it for, for a mid round. I don't make light of this, but I have my Matthew Stafford sandwich, uh, prop sitting out there. Um, probably the Rams are too high on that situation. And after what happened against Seattle. Not week one, but you're right. Things can change in like five weeks. You never know. But I think like, so Carson Wentz has been mentioned. I don't love that for anyone, but why not? I'm with you, Dan, though. I think like it's one of these teams that it was kind of Aaron Rogers or bust, obviously, a quarterback.

So it's like they didn't do enough behind them. And this is an older quarterback that has had, you know, miss games here and there once in a while. I don't know. Five years though, man. It is crazy luck. What else is there to say about this game? I think we get the preview coming up with the bills and like I think that this is a concern

around Buffalo. We talked about it. I know it's, I know it got like totally panned like not going to do it. But like I got totally panned like when I mentioned this, but they looked like absolute junk in the preseason when the starters were out there. And I thought that something's going on with Josh Allen.

He's also like his turnover count over the last two seasons kind of gets washed away because of his incredible, heroics but this is another game we're like I mean some of this some of these like interceptions we should be talking about uh the way we talk about the browns and Joe burrow is how we should talk about Josh Allen and the Jets though I will say that like I'm very interested to see what version of Josh Allen shows up next week because this was a game Buffalo had no business losing though the their opponent was it was shell shocked lost their best player the quarterback and all you got to do is kind of play conservatively

within your limits hit a couple throws don't give the team reason in that building reason to wake back up and i just thought it was a a really foolishly played game in many respects by by alan and i know that is something that's always been part of his DNA but i would under like eric eric uh roberts our producer i'll be interested to talk to him when i see him again like you want this stuff to kind of phase out of his DNA as he gets older and starts to understand the mental cerebral side of the things and yet he looked like he was year one or year two in this game. That was the most chaotic Allen performance. I can remember since that Texans playoff loss, which was kind of the moment where all the Josh Allen detractors like myself at the time were

just like, man, this guy's an insane person. Like he just made some insane decisions tonight. And give Jordan Whitehead credit, especially the third interception, was a beautiful play. And the Jets defense played with such ferocity and such physical. nature when they were tackling all over the field from minute one. I watched the game here with MGD and he was noticing it like Michael Clemens. Everyone was just hitting, hit and hitting. But

a veteran quarterback that's played as much as Alan has to know the situations here that he was just giving points away in a game that they just needed to get through and he should have known better because he struggled against his team as you mentioned three straight times. He's had three touchdowns

and five interceptions, been sacked I think 13 times the last three times. And he hasn't hit anything down the field. Anytime he tries to go down the field, he's struggled. And I thought he got over it. They had a nice clutch drive to force overtime where he made some nice throws and digs, especially did a great job on that drive. But that's Alan.

And the weird thing is it's not improving. And part of the Jets season now will be ruining other team's seasons. You want to have as much fun as you can. You want to make the playoffs. But if they can get some division wins like this, I mean, Bill's fans are dying here tonight because they got their own issues to deal with. As every Bill's fan knows, as our listeners know, and this is a season that's so big to them,

this is the worst possible way to start. It's losing to Zach Wilson at MetLife Stadium again. I can think of a worst way to start. Okay, that's true. You know what I mean, though. I'm mad that I didn't put Garrett Wilson in the Superstar Club, by the way. It's crazy. That catch was crazy.

He like, dude. I know everybody's excited, but Troy Ackman, do you hear what he said after it happened? What did he say? Oh, yeah. He's the greatest young receiver that I've ever seen. Yep. And he talked about seeing that a year ago, too.

Wow. I didn't hear that. That is, I hate, you don't want to, like, go crazy in the moment, but that's got to be on the list of, like, the 20 best touchdowns of all time, 10, but, I mean, hands aren't supposed to work that way. He, like, backhanded it, like, it was like a, like a volley to himself with the other side of his. What, what the head? It was, like, it was such a bad throw.

And it was just, he's amazing. I don't know. All right. Anything else I'm about? Dan, I think we need to let you go off into, I know Greg is going to have another comment, but we need to let you go off into the distance and not enjoy this, just ponder this. Yeah, this is a big, you know, you showed up tonight. You could have ghosted us, but you didn't. That would not have been an option.

I know. You know, it did actually, honestly, during my catatonic state tonight, it did cross my mind to like, I'd be able to sit this one out and talk on Wednesday. And then I did think, well, if we did a podcast two days after West died, like, and we talked about that, like, nothing is ever going to be harder or crazier than that. So I could certainly talk about what happened to Aaron Rogers and the Jet Streams tonight. So let's hear on a positive note, just circling back to Hard Knocks. That's all I just want to hear from.

Robert Sala, because as crazy as that game is, for it to end on Xavier Gibson, of all people, after this buildup to Hard Knocks, was a really special football moment. Let's hear Sala in that clip when Gibson made the team for Barnucks. Just want to let you know, man, you're in New York, Chess. Why? Why? You scare me. Welcome to the team, brother. I appreciate it, man.

I had a long-a-minute drive-back, man. No, I know it. No, you're going to do a lot of good things for us this year. You got something to you. The way you approach a game with your intent, your mindset, and all that stuff, like there's no doubt in our mind that you're going to maximize who you are. You're definitely one of us. Beautiful, beautiful moment.

And hey, heads up, John Perry, rules analyst, you're going to come on the air to prove you're worth a paycheck and say you've got to put an asterisk on that, punt return on this night for that team I'll tell you where to put an asterisk take a walk

take a walk I'm going to take a walk it's like Aaron Rogers 90% retired he went in the darkness I'm going to take a walk with the captain and we're going to think about everything that transpired

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