NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jets Front Office Stunner; Dalton Scale

Episode Date: May 15, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal react to the news of the Jets firing General Manager Mike Maccagnan. The heroes then give their Dalton Scale rankings on where some major QBs fall on the famous scale. (26:34)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys. Hey, Dan. Wow. What a day. I do not think that. What a morning. The people listening to this will not be affected in any way,

but it is, I am approximating this 97 degree. It is a Bickram yoga session in this studio right now. It is a hot yoga. Mark is fanning the papers in his face. But I'm not alone. The vapors. But you're the only one doing the paper thing. I have paper. No one else

seems to have any around them. Funny you should talk about the hot because hot seat and the New York Jets and it got so hot somebody burned. I have a missive to read. I can't believe I can't believe

I'm reading this right now. This morning I informed Mike that he was being relieved of his duties as general manager of the team effective immediately. Mike McAgnon helped to execute the strategic vision of the organization during the last four seasons and especially the last few months.

However, I came to the decision to make a change after much thought and a careful assessment of what would be in the best long-term interests of the New York Jets. And it goes on and on, chairman and CEO, Christopher Johnson. I thought that was you making the statement. Dan has released him of his duties. extensive power We were looking at New York City

We were Ricky and I And you know inappropriate Erica We were looking From some different In-house music And that New York song

popped up And we quite liked it Can I hear it again? It's all New York City It's like This is the part Where Michael J. Fox

comes crawling across the opening crazy That's a great call. Like Adam Gase, it's your team now, and he, like, steps on to the busy New York streets with, like, a coat, like, slung over his back. And he's like, it's my team now. A epic whistle in the background.

Exactly. Like a pretty girl kisses him on the cheek, and he does, like, a spin. But when Eric and I, I was sitting at Eric's computer, when we found that job, I said, let's play that, like, when something good's happening with the Jets. Well, whatever.

It's not a good thing. The Jets fire Mike McKell. And we'll just get right into. We got a lot to get to today, including the Dalton scale, one of our favorite annual episodes where we find out who truly is the prime meridian of NFL quarterbacks and kind of break down where we are at as the NFL at the QB position. But yes, the Jets fire their general manager on Wednesday morning in a shocking move. They also get rid of their vice president of football operations, I believe.

Was that the title? Or Heiminger? Pro personnel, I believe. Pro personnel. Heiminger. So this was in terms of power struggles, I guess we could start here. In terms of power struggles, Adam Gase v. Mike McCaghan. This would be the Mike Tyson v. Michael Spinks of power struggles.

It was fierce. It was over in 30 seconds. And McCagman's on the street. And we talked about this on NFL network, but I'll repeat it here, that I just found it kind of funny. If you know our show and you know me because I talk about things,

my fan interest, I'm a Yankees fan, and I'm happy, I'm lucky for that. I'm also a Jets fan and a Knicks fan. And watching the draft lottery yesterday with the Knicks, where they got into the final four and this whole Zion Williamson, this Duke phenom, they got so close,

they end up getting the number three pick and it's a huge letdown for the entire city. And now the next morning, the Jets, just when they seem to maybe be getting out of their way as an organization, they do this totally bizarre move, Wes. And I'm going to start with you on this

because to get rid of McAgnon now in the middle of May after free agency, after the draft, it's just not a good look. And there are positive ways to spin it if you want, and I am an optimistic Jets fan, and there are not many of me. And I will share some of those takes.

But in terms of how surprising and shocking this move was, the timing stands out, right? Right. And I understand the point that all that matters is the coaching the GM getting along, to having the right guy in place. That's the bottom line. But the timing to me, if he's not good at his job, why did you allow him to lead the search for your head coach?

Why did you allow him to spend over $100 million in free agency? Why did you allow him to lead your draft if he's not a good general manager? Well, they hadn't reached that conclusion yet, or they hadn't reached the conclusion, Chris Johnson, that is, you know, the acting owner, that the relationship between Gason McCagnan was untenable, which, you know, our reporters, Ian Rappaport and Mike. Mike Garifolo said Chris Johnson, you know, observe their relationship quite a bit in the lead-up to the draft. But it just creates a whole, and I get getting rid of them after the draft that's actually pretty traditional when you get rid of some personnel people. But doing it after the free agency period is crazy because of all of these stories that came up today, by far the most concerning one to me is from Ian saying that Adam Gase really wasn't on board with Levion Bell and C.J. Mosley getting the amount of money. that they got. So that was a big factor, I think, in all of this.

And that's part of the issue, I think, with making Gase the interim GM. That was the end of that statement that we didn't get to, that for now, Gase is acting GM. And maybe that doesn't mean much. They'll have someone in there soon enough that works with Gase. But two of his best players, his new signings, know that. And he's the coach, by the way. And so it's just like adding a lot to headlock potential.

I don't hate this for the Jets. I can get the idea that they fired someone else. It kind of reminds me we did an emergency broadcast for the Browns firing Hugh Jackson. Like, oh, it's another terrible moment. Is it? You actually remove something that wasn't helping your team. It's just that it's another transaction at a weird time. It doesn't, well, the Browns, it was the right time to do it.

I don't think it's the wrong thing here because they talk about Christopher Johnson since the senior board there were issues between McCagnan and Gase. The owner has the privilege of observing a relationship like in any business. and when two people of power are not getting along, that's not what they planned. Sure, but you should have seen that when you hired him. You should have made the... That's fine.

You should have had them align. That's the problem that bad organizations don't have the GM and the coach align. But my point is now, it is, it is the timing is ill, but it's so do you let it fester for the next year? There have already been like six or seven reports about them knocking along. It's going to carry on all the way through this entire season, then they'll just fire him on January 3rd. Well, where do we think those reports are coming from? I mean, the guy who has the... From Gase's camp?

The guy who has the power is there. It's not, I don't think it's unfair to say that more than just about any head coach in the NFL, where Adam Gase goes, his sparrows follow, people fall by the wayside and jobs are lost. The head scratcher is, they obviously clearly, when you now take a macro viewpoint of it, they knew they wanted to move on from Todd Bowles. They decided to keep McCagney involved, but obviously they weren't in love with him because they wouldn't have jumped off board so quickly the way they did. they brought in gays and then kind of hoped it would work so to your point mark i agree with the idea of don't let a bad marriage sit there we talk about marriages do the divorce but what makes what makes for a bad look and it just to me it is what it is is you you make that decision optics wise it's bad after you let that same guy who you allowed to stay mcagnin make those

moves in free agency and make the draft the draft moves he did and then this is i guess i don't know if this is just a leaky ship or what. But the reporting from Ian to me was just so detailed, overly detailed, and a good job by rap sheet on it. But right down to Adam Gase thought that C.J. Mosley, who shattered the inside linebacker market at 17 million a year, should only have made about 13 million. Adam Gase did not think that Levion Bell was worth the money that he was given. And that is all, that might be absolutely right.

Adam Gase wanted Matt Paradise the center. And Matt, he wanted the center. The Jets still have a huge hole there. That's all out there, public record. And I just feel like that's not necessarily healthy organizationally for all this stuff to be out on the table. I would say this too. This was an offseason where the Jets could not sit on their hands.

And they had to go out and spend the money. You weren't going to get Levi-on-Bell on a discount price that Adam Gage wanted. But McCagman kind of did it to save his job. Okay, you did it. Maybe it was right or wrong. But, like, I don't, I didn't see a lot of people killing the Jets spending spree when they had a ton of cap money until it's like, oh, suddenly someone else didn't like the way that McAgnon operated. I think C.J. Mosley was paid too much, but that's the way the market operated for that sign. Right, it's problematic when his coach is the one that's killing.

It is, but it's also problematic that the Jets, here's how it comes out in the watch. The Jets ownership has clearly sided with the coach that's been in the organization for weeks. So you have to get that right. Because McCagna did some things right and some things clearly wrong. But what is gay, why do we care what Gase thinks you should have paid C.J. Mosley. Because he's running the franchise. I'm just saying from a knowledge standpoint, do I think that Gase knows more about paying a linebacker than the GM that you've hired? Maybe.

I'm just saying we don't know that. Because, you know, who cares is C.J. Mosley, who's going to have to play for this guy? And it also creates a little bit of a tricky. This is why I think when coaches and GMs aren't aligned, there's problems. Because then it's like, well, whose responsibility was this? If Mosley turns out to be a bad signing, now it's like, well, Gase actually didn't really want them necessarily that much, and it gets messy. And that's why you've got to make the choice in January, which I don't think anyone would have argued with. Mike McCaghan was one of the least successful general managers in the league.

31 teams won at least six games in a season over the last three years. The other team was the Jets. You know, they signed Mosley and Bell because they have big roster holes. They still have big roster holes in some places in terms of the past rush, you know, in terms of cornerback. I think that he had a good offseason. I mean, like, they look better. It's just messy. So here's the positive spin on it.

I still don't think from where the team is right now, compared to last year or the year before, the sky is not falling. It's a better roster. Sure. It's improved. And they didn't lose any of that today. And what they gain as well as the potential to upgrade their personnel department.

And we talked about this when the rumors came out regarding McCagnan, potentially being on the hot seat a few weeks ago. There's not one Jets fan, myself included, that today is like, I can't believe we let Mike McAggen out the door. He's not the one who got away. He had plenty of time to make his imprint on this franchise, and he's been a very hit or miss guy, more missed than hit. And the other point I have, so if this ends with that guy from the Eagles

who people are high on, or maybe even move the sticks has been reported out there as somebody that could be the Jets could target, which would be very fun. But my final thought on McCagnan, and good luck to him. Mark, we met him at the owner's meetings last year. Lovely guy. You chatted him up and waved me over. I still remember your big smile as you and Big Mac at the bar together and it came over. We had a great conversation.

And the conversation we had, I remember, was before the draft last year, just telling him what a big fan of it was and you got to get this one right. We need a quarterback. And he was very, he would not say anything. And that leads to my last point, which is, if the Jets do end up being a successful franchise in the near future, McCagnan's legacy will be that he got Sam Darnold. And he made what was the best move potentially of his career by trading those picks, getting up and putting the Jets in position to get the quarterback they've been searching for since Joe Namath. And we have to see if Donald's that guy.

But he will be remembered fondly by this fan base and the organization. if Sam Donald is a stop. Because otherwise, what he excelled at, which you'd hope 32 GMs would, was picking the best player available at very high spots in the draft. And the problem a little bit is the Jets are, yes, they're great at picking at number three,

and they're great at picking at number six, and spending a ton of money in free agency. But is that really the cornerstone of building a team? Because you want to not be picking three and six for eternity. I would have moved on from McCagnan, arguably, two off seasons ago you're in a thorny situation They were patient until they weren't patient

And that's the thing Stop the occasion it was over The time to do it was with bowls And then none of this And that's where I think you can fault ownership and they might even They might even admit that Like in the long run

They're like yeah You know that that would have made sense To just have a clean break then And the thing that just would concern me As a Jets fan is just It's just the drama Just kind of like As Wes was saying

The drama And the ups and downs that tend to go with Adam Gase, including his post-game press conferences and everything like that, that it's just going to be a lot. And maybe it'll be a lot, and it'll be a lot of fun, too, you know.

You want him having less power. I feel like we haven't seen enough to say that yet. I totally agree with Wes that he has not proven anything to gain more power. Nor do I care what he thinks about players' salaries or anything. Coach the players. Here's the thing. He's got the power.

So whether. For now. Right. Interim GM. Oh, but I mean. he's the guy. They're not going to bring in someone that isn't totally on board.

What has he done to earn that? He matches up in Miami. I'm just saying like if they bring in Joe Douglas, who's the VP in Philadelphia has a lot of respect, who is very close with Daniel Jeremiah. So that's an interesting connection that those are two guys they're interested in. Are they a package deal?

Is it just they like that kind of tree? I don't know. You know, Daniel Jeremiah worked under Joe Douglas back in the day. Whoever it is is going to be on board with the Adam Gase philosophy. When the coach is there first, he's the guy. And so you can give him the GM title, but it's ultimate,

and it should be Adam Gase's ship at this point, because you've got to have those two guys, because you don't want them at odds with Adam Gase. You see what happened. Then it's like, okay, then Gase is out the door. Why can't it be like Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean in Buffalo? Why do we, so essentially what you're telling. And I'm saying McDermott's the guy.

But you're getting, if you're Joe Douglas, whoever, you're getting pulled out of a premier front office in Philadelphia, a short drive from the Jets front office to take a job where yes, your title is higher, higher, but you go in with the us, the four of us in a months knowing, your role is lacking power as a general manager. Why?

Because you believe in Adam Gase and you probably have a previous relationship with him and you want to have that partnership. And it's okay if he is the most important guy in the organization. He just is. The belief in Adam Gase is a massive X factor. To your point on McDermott, McDermott's the guy.

I mean, he's ultimately the most important person in that organization. And Bean was brought in because he works well with McDermott. So far, they've had a good partnership. The Jets believe in Adam Gase. You guys don't. I'm not saying I don't. I want to see it. Let me finish.

History suggests that you guys will be right because the Jets usually get this stuff wrong. But that's what's happening here. And they want to line up Gase with his people and let him be the guy. And as a Jets fan, I'm nervous about it. But listen, they need to be functional. And I think this puts them, this gives, we just talked about the Packers on the last show. There needs to be a clear line of power. I think what may come out of this positive.

positively is the Jets have a chain of command. You say they believe in Adam Gase, but I draw a big line between a guy that you courted and you knew all along for months. You want this person to be your head coach. But they didn't. They wanted Matt Ruhl, who was Baylor coach. If they loved Adam Gase so much,

why wasn't either first choice? It's like you talk yourself into this guy and then you keep giving more and more power, but he hasn't really earned it. I see more. These guys were not getting along. I have to move on from one of them. And not that I love either of them

or either of them has earned the crown of total power. But this isn't working. It's getting worse. We're having to respond to this in press conferences. Bye-bye Mike Mack. Let's just hear the beginning of Adam Gase's press conference on Friday when he addressed this issue. Just another reminder for fans out there of how to read the NFL.

Who decides that to put that stuff out there. It kind of pisses me off a little bit because we have discussions on everything and that's our job. We have to work through so much stuff. And that's what we've got to do. And, you know, that's all we've done since we've been here. Don't listen to anyone. They're lying to you.

You're allowed to do that. Maybe in all sports, but especially in the NFL, you could stand at a podium. And you don't have to bend the truth. You don't have to circumvent a question. You just can look into the camera and look at the reporters and say the opposite of what is truthful. And then there's no repercussion. It's not like at the presser. the next time gay speaks, they're going to be like, you lied to us.

It's like, no, that's how it works. How does that make it any different than any other area of public life in America? It makes it very similar. Along with horses, lying is very hot right now in front of a microphone, big time train. All right. Horses are hot right now. That's what, yeah, that's an inside joke just for us. But, yeah, Patrick Claibon said that's Ed Oliver on.

Ed was taking it back a little bit. Yeah, because Ed Oliver loves horses. There's some good pick. of him out there on tops of horses and Claybon was just like horses are hot right now Ed partly because of you I hope more people were watching that than just us

the Jets are trying to overtake the Patriots and we'll see about that but while on the topic of the AFC East let's just hit the Patriots quickly before we get to the Dalton scale first thing a personnel

move Jamie Collins who's been on the street for a while since his March 6th released by the Browns. Rapsheet reports that the Pat, good day for Rapshap. Pats are in talks with Collins to rejoin the team. He's entering his age 30 season. He spent the last few years with Cleveland,

got paid a ton of money, did not live up to the paycheck. Cleveland moves on. And now New England, who once took him with a 50-second overall pick back in 2013, take a chance on a vet, Greg, you like Collins back in the mix.

I do. I think they needed more at linebacker and that he can fulfill his destiny as a good role player. That maybe isn't on the field every down, but he can do certain things well and they'll put him in position to do that. Doesn't it remind you of Patrick Chung

sort of fell out of favor? Right. Had to go to another team and then come back and now he's like a quarter of the nucleus player. Yeah, he's been there for four or five years. I don't know if that'll happen with Callins, but they need, I feel like they need some bodies there in the front seven.

And one other Patriots note. Greg, you've had a lot of internal warfare. Your mind has been on fire, a lot of sleepless nights. You've shared on this podcast. You were worried about the construction, or I should say the reconstruction of the Patriots coaching staff, which you would point out. If you go to Patriots.com and you look up coaching staff, there's like, and he's, look,

even as I'm saying that, he was already doing that. He's back on that website. There's still Steve Belichick's the only guy. They got to update it. There's only like three or four guys on that page on Patriots. Well, guess what? Bill Belichick, Greg, according to a report, will call the Pat's defense in 2019. He will essentially be their defensive coordinator. You feel better. I like that. He's, Wes put it this way. He's running out of like mountains to climb.

So this is like a new challenge. And he's done this before in the first year with Matt Patricia there, with the first year, I believe with Dean Peas there. It was kind of Belichick was in charge. I mean, it's a very inexperienced coach. I'm not really that. worried. But it's a little odd to lose almost your entire defensive coaching staff in one year. A lot to put on his plate. I don't know. See. Yeah, you know, everybody's worried. I'm not sure he can handle this. It's kind of interesting. And they say they supposedly see

Jared Drodmeo maybe as a future coordinator, but he's 33 and has literally never coached before. This will be his first time. He's a linebacker. By the way, Mike Garifolo had all that news. So whenever Ian has a good day, and then in the new world that we live in, Mike G is right behind him to remind him. What a battle. What a rivalry. I love it. Don't believe them when they say that they get a long green either. You know what?

Iron sharpens iron. I'm kidding. They actually do. They get along, but you wonder if there's maybe a rift growing that maybe the owner, in this case, one of the top suits on the third floor, like Christopher Johnson with the Jets, has to start entering the facility more just to see what the dynamic is. Observe. See, I feel like in this situation, Ian is Adam Gase, and Mike Garifold is Joe Douglas.

He came into this organization, knowing where he stood, has a good relationship, and he's good with it. Yeah, but now he's an upstart breaking news that Ian wanted to break during the season. So, you know, these things don't, these little perfect things don't last forever. And continuing to just tie things together,

you guys have, and it's fair, questions about whether Adam Gase can handle or deserves all that power. I have questions about whether Bill Belichick can handle this, and whether he deserves it, whether he's earned it. He's sort of like a 65-year-old denier. It's like, what's left for me?

I need to start building up. You start mail it in? No, he needs to start creating motivation. That's my theory that they've earned some mail and jobs. They've earned a little Meet the Parents too. I feel like this is your now like Meet the Fockers era Patriot. Yeah, you've lived on from Meet the Little Fockers. The original parents.

Yeah, successful box office. No one really respects it, but, you know, it's fine. And I don't want to gloss over it. I know I mentioned it, but Daniel Jeremiah under consideration for roll in Jets front office. That's from Schaefter. ESPN's Adam Schaefter's own. Of course.

The problem for you, I know that you, and you're, you know, as the sugar plums are dancing above your head, you think that you have this sort of beeline into Jets, into the Jets brain. He will never text you back ever again the minute he hits, Laura Park. Listen, you have your sparrows of the Browns.

Me and DJ are, you know, bitter enemies. But perhaps if he takes the Jets job, we'll be able to smooth that all over. and we'll see what happens. Would you feel responsible if he didn't take the Jets job just out of his antipathy to you personally? He's just like, yeah, I'm thinking about it, and this whole handsist relationship kind of makes it weird.

I would not put a pass him. I would not. He's got that type of attitude. I mean, he was in the Browns front office. Didn't have any issues with that. Not a lot happened during that tenure. What are you saying? Including he wins.

I put that behind in my relationship with DJ like I can look back on the late Eric Mangini era of the Browns and say well he was a scout could have done a few more things during that that era I love you I love you DJ but if he ever went to the Jets it seems like he'd be much further up the yeah I I'm just the situation to me is that paralleled in the sense that could have done more right he's not looking I hope he will with the he's not looking for nose tackles at Saginaw Valley or whatever well did he find any eating like bring in dinners in those little sad microwaves and motels. It's a little bit of a different

sitch. All right, that's what's happening in the news. What? And the other thing, you know, about the Jets. You know, other teams, let's drop this on Friday. The Jets, let's drop it in the center of the goddamn week just so everybody could just obsess over it. It does feel like they are the

latest. Come on, guys. And both New York, you think that public relations would thrive and be at the cutting edge of evolution in New York City of all places. But between the Jets and Giants, we need a of a refresher course on how to do this, I think. Jets were like, you had the back page yesterday?

Not anymore. Not anymore, buddy. Oh, you're starting to get cozy with Daniel Jones? Let us jump in and take the state storyline. This is the Nixon Jets, two star-crossed New York franchises, battling out to see who could be saddest. This is a great song. You know, somebody wrote that song.

How much money does that? lead singer, if there was a lead singer in that fake. There is a singer. I don't know if it was. There's like a woman and a man. I definitely a lead. Like going to go back to back or something. But I don't know. That's in our, I'm always fascinated by our internal library here at NFL.

And then you listen to these songs and that's a ridiculous song, right? How did they not make it big? Someone sat down at a table and wrote that song. Well, not. It didn't take, it didn't take a long time to sit at the table. Here we are at New York City like over and over and over, whatever the words were.

I just know there seems to be no like third or fourth stanza there. 1987 Michael J. Fox, though, is on top of the world. Oh, yeah. All right. Let's get into it. Oh, yeah. It's a tradition like no other. Eat it, Jim Nance, because I'm taking your catchphrase.

It's not about the Masters anymore. It's about the Dalton scale. Yes. What is the Dalton scale? I'm not going to give a full explanation. Chris Westling is. Andy Dalton. is the prime meridian of NFL quarterbacks.

He represents quarterback purgatory. If you are ranked below Andy Dalton, your franchise needs a quarterback. If you're ranked above Andy Dalton, you're in ship shape, everything's figured out, you're good to go. To keep great explanation, Wes, and what we did, each of us, the four of us,

basically put together something approximating of power rankings of quarterbacks, but within everyone maybe has their own kind of factors, but like franchise quarterback, right, Greg, like who? The guy, yeah, the guy you'd want. You're a guy, a guy you want in your organization. You factor in all sorts of things, experience, age, potential. That's when the list becomes very subjective.

But we all did it about 30 quarterbacks. And Ricky, because this has become, you know, we've done enough shows now. We've done about 1,000 shows that we really do have traditions like none other. And I had, I keep Ricky on her toes sometimes. You know, she's got a good job. She's very busy. According to you.

She did a tremendous job with her behind the around the NFL. If you check that out on Twitter. But I kept on her toes on a Tuesday and I slacked her and I said, hey, you want to check out our past episodes of the Dalton scale? And there have been, this will be the fourth. And let us, I wanted to know anything interesting and also most importantly, who has been, who did we decide each year? was the prime radian of NFL quarterbacks. Because I knew there was maybe some, Andy wasn't there all three years.

And what did you find, Ricky? Well, in 2016, both Greg and Wes were saying that they hands down always take Blake Bortals over Matt Ryan. What? Yeah. That's insane. We are crazy. Yeah. Oh, my.

After a second year. I mean, you guys love Bortles. That was the year he had 35. We have to have... I liked him, too. I'll throw myself in that... Right. Do we have the sound?

Or we have to trust... Oh, I trust... I trust... I trust... You don't trust Eric. I trust him. I would like to... Good research.

Yeah. Expired myself immediately. You guys put Alex Smith as the Dalton line, the Smith scale, essentially. So that was 2016? Yeah, that was the year where Dalton's coming off of a nice... Big year.

Yeah. Which was fair to Dalton at that stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the Dalton's... Cales really moves up and down. He can move up and down, but he's always kind of the prime meridian where if you're better than him

than you are a true for you branching as quarterback. And Wes, I've always... Dan struggled with him. I've struggled with him, but I finally figured it out yesterday why I've struggled with it.

For some reason in my brain, and it again goes back to math, I for some reason was looking at Dalton as the mean or like the average point and there is a, he's in the middle, everyone below, but that's not the case.

There could be five less than him and everyone else above. And what we're seeing now in the NFL, and we're going to get to it, there seems to be more answers or team or what we see as answers as a quarterback than in recent years. He's not the mean now. The beauty of this scale is that it's truly reflective of quarterback play in the NFL. He could be ranked 14 one year and still be the prime meridian, and the next year be ranked

24th and still be the prime meridian. It's like, yeah, that's, you know, clear, just like how Blake Bortles is clearly a franchise quarterback. I want more. What do we get? What do we get, Erica? Well, you guys were talking about the sun setting and rising about Hall of Fame quarterbacks. And if you couldn't understand, like, you couldn't be friends with someone that didn't understand where the sun rose.

Jared Goff from Hard Knocks did not understand that according to the way that we situate ourselves in the States, the sun rises over the east. You did not know that. You guys ranked, you know, sunsetseting and rising for a very long time in 2017. That sounds like podcast gold. Yes. And also there was a bet about Sam Bradford becoming the Super Bowl MVP. And if that happened, Dan, you would have to absorb Greg's car payments. And then you...

Absorb. And then you talked about Greg was like, I'll take you up on that. And, you know, you pick the wrong guy because Greg said he would actually go after you for the car payment if Sam Bradford got the MVP. I feel like I'm in the clear. I feel like I'm Trent Richardson. then you said you'd have to take them out for like a date line segment and you wouldn't be you know Greg you'd be dead

because you'd have to protect your family yeah so that that is in you know in writing as they say we haven't changed much over the not much yeah you know it to be even better than Erica like retelling us this is hearing those clips I thought that she brought the proper perspective I like hearing her voice I enjoy the

as opposed to throwing it hearing Ricky how she interprets is what I like. Also, I'd imagine she, like, took 18 minutes of dialogue down to an acceptable sentence or two. Yeah, and also at 4.17 p.m. yesterday, Dan Hanses, hey, just to be clear, you don't need to cut anything from those Dalton episodes. Oh, wow.

Also, I want a Ricky involved in the show talking, you know? So, Greg. Greg just so shut her up. Eat it. Yeah. I'm getting married this weekend. If I had to hear myself say that about Blake Bortles, I might not make it because of the old.

I can imagine me saying. that, but I really can't imagine West being that high. That was, I factored that into. I didn't want her to be cherry picking things to make us all look bad because we've all had bad. He had that second year where we kind of, we were, I was convinced. I have an ugly ranking out there where he's, yeah, he's above some good people. But if you want to, if you want to cut that as a video clip to put on social.

No, please do not. Treat it as be present from right now. All right. How do we want to dive into this? Okay. So, so it was in summation. was Andy Dalton the first time we did the exercise, Alex Smith the second,

Andy Dalton the third year we did it. So 2018 and now the fourth year. So we're trying to figure out... Well, to me, Dalton is the clear scale. He's the guy, right? He's the guy, because I don't think he's... To me, Alex Smith made sense at the time, but he's gone now and Dalton really works.

It's kind of amazing that he still works six years, because we've only done it on the show for four or five years, but I feel like we've been talking about it even longer than that. also works because the Bengals have not moved on from him. If he suddenly were on his third team, Andy Dalton sort of proved himself to be in a different category. It's perfect for this Seg because Cincinnati, above any other franchise, does not like to move on from things.

So it allows us to keep that steady hand behind the entire premise. Rises and falls with a talent around him. Look pretty good in September last year. Some things, people started getting injured, then he fell, and he was okay. He was plenty of quarterbacks worse. And guess what? There's been some talk on this podcast in the last few weeks. that Cincinnati could be a surprising team

because there is some talent in that building and a fresh start, offensive philosophy with Zach Taylor. Perhaps Dalton rises a little bit, but it won't change that he is. It would be very hard. He would have to have a 2015-type season again. But maybe even then we've learned the lesson

that that doesn't necessarily make him more of a franchise answer. It just means Cincinnati was a better team. To Dan's point about the fact that we finally look around the league, there's only one or two teams or three teams with quarterback issues. Has anyone ever had Andy Dalton in their personal list lower than he is this year? He is lower than he's ever been for me by quite a bit.

Well, who are, who, let's throw out, who are the toughest guys to you to decide whether they're above or below Andy Dalton? For me, it would be, I'll tell you the guys that were around him, that sandwiched him. Underneath him, I have Trubisky and Winston. directly underneath him, in that order. Above him, I have Derek Carr. And then I have the second year quarterbacks here, but I put Darnold ahead of Carr just because, obviously,

I believe in Darnel. I think he is a franchise answer, and I think a lot of people agree with that. But also, you haven't seen a lot. He has 13 starts, but I still would put him above Dalton for this exercise. So I have Darnold Carr right above him, Winston Trabiski, right below him. Carr is a really interesting one. I would rather have Andy Dalton than him. So I guess that to me, that answer would be, you know,

that you'd be maybe looking for another quarterback if you have Derek Carr. Because I think Andy Dalton, I trust more a long term. I had Winston right below, as you said. Dak, I really struggled with. And maybe I'm the only one in this room that thinks he's right around there. No, I had, I have Dak as the closest quarterback to Andy Dolton. Yeah, I had him right below, and then I think I just wimped out and put him one spot ahead. And Jimmy G is another interesting one right there.

And that's a sample size thing, that we haven't seen it too much. But DAC is an interesting question. I know the Cowboys aren't asking that question. And the numbers would say we shouldn't be asking that question. So maybe my eyes are lying to me. He's pretty young, and he does a lot of good things well. But I'm not so sure he's like a great long-term answer. I'll let what I'll go.

I'm less appealing. I'll go to Wes and then you. Okay, I don't feel like why you're saving me for the last on West's exercise, but go ahead. Let's do the sandwich around Dalton. Who do you have two above Dalton and two below? So I made a list of who I would rather have for 2019 alone, and then I made a separate list for who I would rather have on my roster for the next few years. And on both of those lists, the guys right around Dalton are Dak Prescott, Mitchell

Trubisky, and Marcus Marietta. on both the list. What about you, Mark? I have Andy Dalton just above Marcus Marriota and James Winston, and I have him below, and this is because I'm thinking of myself as a team builder, and I definitely overinflated Sam Darnold, for instance, because if I'm starting a team,

I believe in the promise of Sam Darnold, I jacked him up above Andy Daldon. I have Andy Daldon just below Josh Rosen and Joe Flacco. And for me, because Joe Flacco to me is someone that you cannot cling to for more than one more seat. So those guys are below Andy Dalton. I have Flacco essentially almost tie with Dalton, but just above Andy Dalton. See, to me, Flacko is...

But Derek Carr right in that world, too. See, the way I look at it is more of Wes's second list, which is kind of just who I would want long term. For the most part, that's what I'm thinking. And to me, Trubisky hasn't proven it. I'd be worried. If Chubisky was my quarterback, I'd still be looking for other quarterbacks. Like, I don't know...

There's two ways to look at that. He also hasn't proven to be a failure. Absolutely. Or proven to be a mediocrity. But I guess I'm going a little bit with the eye test, whatever I thought going in, and everything that if I had to pick right now, who's going to have the better next couple of seasons, just in terms of who I think is a better player.

I think it's Dalton. Like I think if you put Dalton in that bear's offense, for instance, he would be doing some good things. And Mariotta and Trubisky, to me, were maybe the two toughest young guys of like, I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen even that they're going to get to that point where they're the prime meridian. Where do you have Winston?

Right there, too. I have eight guys. Just above them, but I had them right below. I have eight guys beneath Dalton. I took Lamar Jackson out of the equation. He's obviously to me a guy we all did promise, but he only had eight, seven starts last year. But the guys below Dalton for me, so by the logic of this exercise, these guys are guys I do not view as answers as franchise quarterbacks. Winston Trebiske, I said

Josh Allen, he's a guy that I don't know about yet, and he's a guy that can move up, but right now I have him below. Eli, Flacko, Mariotta, Rosen, and then I throw Case Keenham on there, but I don't know. I'll give you mine real quick. I had Dalton at 24 out of 29, although again

sort of tied with Joe Flacco. But see, I have a Dalton thing where if I went in, if the Bengals hired me, the first thing I would do was get new life at quarterback. I don't care how average or a little bit above average, he tends to be at times. I guess my thing is when is the last time Flacco had a better season than Dalton? I think Flacco is, I trust Flacco more than Dalton, but I don't.

Flacco was 23 right above Dalton. So that's what's the difference? Below I had Marriota, Winston, Josh Allen, Eli Manning, and I threw Case Keenham in there just in case he's a thing. I know you're, you've spoken positively about Josh Rosen, but like what did he do to be above? I have him two spots above Dalton and I take you know

I think that Rosen to me I'm talking about if I were starting a team Rosen is young he was in the one of the worst situations the rookie quarterback's ever been in last year he did some really good stuff and I see I would take a shot on him two spots about Andy Dalton not 12 not 14 so

everyone else other than me had car above Dalton I had car below Dolton by a few spots what was your thought process there I think car is maybe He's had one good year? The toughest guy to evaluate, because I can see why... I think the Raiders probably agree.

You can see why physically and certain plays and some throws he makes, the variety of throws he can make, why people get excited by him. But I don't know. I don't want to get blocked again. It's probably happening. But I don't know. I haven't seen that sort of natural... Yeah, great guy.

Great human, but... I haven't seen the natural... You know, there's something about quarterback play that is almost in defense. of just like running a team, seeing the field, making the right throw. And I'm no tutor. But I don't know if he's shown that in five years that he's going to be in it to win it like that. His highs have been higher than Dalton's and his lows have been lower. And most of his career has been lows to this point.

It's interesting. They both, I believe it was, was it the same season, 2015, or it was either 15, 16. But Carr's Dalton year was similar, but a year later where he rose. He was an MVP candidate. Then he got hurt and it ruined his season. and his team season. Same thing happened to Dalton. Both those guys are chasing those years ever since.

So it makes sense that where they are. We all are in agreement that they're basically like buddies here. Yeah, they're linked. Yeah, they're linked. And I think it's a huge year for both of them. Adam Schein on our website revealed this week or last week that he voted. What did Adam have? Derek Carr for MVP.

He has an MVP vote. He got Adam Schein's MVP vote. Well, there were a lot of Derek car fans that season. Oh, in 2016, he voted for a car. Is that on Carr's Pro Football reference page? Should be. Adam Shine MVP vote? I mean, I think he got a couple, and people were wondering who voted for Derek Carr,

and now we know one. He had a very nice year. He had a great year that year. And then what did he do? Broke his thumb? No, that was a dull. I get him confused. He broke his leg.

A lot of his best moments, to his credit, are fourth quarter comebacks. Is that something that can, you know, consistently happen year after year. I think they've put enough around him that will get a good read on who he is as a quarterback this year. You would hope the same would be for Dak and Jimmy G. Why, Wes, did you have Dak so close? I'm almost surprised to hear that because I think of you as a Dak believer. Why did I have Dak? So close. First of all, I think Dalton's a pretty good veteran NFL quarterback. Yeah. Dak has not proven to be, he's not

carrying an offense. He's similar to Dalton into me to use like the DJ and Bucky. he's a trailer not a truck he's not pulling the load he's along for the ride Zeke's pulling that load he's been pulling that load since he came into the league that's not Zach's offense

that's the kind of knowledge he should DJ should be using in that interview with Chris Johnson I'm a trailer not a truck wait what is it? No he's a truck I'm a truck not a trailer and then Adam Gase would immediately fire him

Zeke's the truck only trailers in this building DJ's the truck I'm the truck I just I have not seen like Dack Prescott lift that offense on his shoulders. Adam Gase does not want a truck in that building. Well, then that certainly puts him in Andy Dalton territory. Because when I look at Andy Dalton, I feel like you could put him on any team in the league, and he's not going to make any team better.

Right. On any level. The most interesting one to me. Oh, I disagree with that. Okay. If he went to the Dolphins, he might be better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. For me, I think he could make the Titans better right now. I think he would make the Bears better right now.

That's why I have them ahead of those guys. Nick Foles was another one that I didn't know exactly what to do with you. You haven't seen a ton. I had him below Andy Dalton as well. Really? That's mostly sample size, but yes. Well, he had one big. Even though I really like the signing, to me, I don't know if he's.

I'm really surprised that you have him below because I like him. Not only does he have the, of course, storied Super Bowl run and had another nice playoff run last year. He also did have that season with the Rams. I believe, who was it? I feel so long ago. Well, I mean, the Eagles season where he threw one interception the whole year. He played a season there, and he's shown he could stay on the field.

To be the best test of a quarterback. is a 16-game season. I don't disagree with you. That's a best evaluation, and the guys who are really good can survive the ups and downs of multiple 16-game seasons. And Foles is as brilliant as I think he's been.

I guess I need to see one more full season from him. Or anything from Andy Dalton. Yeah, I think if you take Foles, Dalton, and Trubisky, this is a good reason. I think I've seen a lot from Dalton that I know who he is. I mean, fine. In like week six, he'll have a nice, he'll nice have productive game.

But come on. Foles has come up as big as you could possibly want a quarterback to come in the playoffs. Dalton has been an abject failure in the playoffs. And to me, the interesting one is him versus Trabisky on the Bears because the Bears' defense is good enough that I think you could win a Super Bowl with Andy Dalton. That's what I'm saying. The coach is good enough and the surrounding town on offense is good enough. But I don't know if I don't know if I trust Dalton to do it in a big game.

And I think Tribisky is not a demonstrated me. He still has a chance to be so good because of his athleticism and because of the coaching there that he could rise above Dalton. Like from a human angle, if you were talking about ranking quarterbacks to build a team, you have to put Andy Dalton into your, we're adding Andy Dalton to our playoff ready roster. We know that all of you are going to believe in him from head to toe. No, they're immediately going to be asked questions about Andy Dalton because Andy Dalton has proven to be a quarterback. You can't ultimately trust to do anything other than not win playoff game. but I'm more of the... I'm sorry, but that's part of it.

Kurt Cousins then is kind of like the rich man's Andy Dalton. Literally, because he hasn't come up at his best in the big spot. Yet I didn't really think twice about putting him four or five spots ahead of Dalton because I think he's shown to me over those 16 game sample sizes in play-to-play, he's pretty good, that he's going to help your organization. I believe, I like to look at it Dalton as what we've been talking about, that he rises and falls based on what. around him.

I don't think Andy Dalton is failing in January because he's a choker or anything like that. And he didn't even get to play in the playoffs the last year they made it because of that injury that we talked about. I think that if they ever did build something, he would not hold them back. He might not put him over the top because he is a trailer, not a truck. I think that's why he's a perfect prime meridian guy. And I think Cousins is fascinating for that reason. I was curious were you guys, did everyone have cousins above Dalton?

Yes, six, seven spots above. Did everyone have, anybody else have Prescott below Dalton? So you did? I did, yeah. I had him five spots above Dalton. But that whole area is a bunch of like question mark type. Yeah, I had him one spot above Dalton. You know, I've been all over the place.

Anybody surprising that many people view is an answer, a proven answer that kind of flirted with the Dalton zone? Jimmy G because I think Jimmy G has so much unknown and he's in a perfect situation

and he was in a perfect situation for those few times we saw him in New England but I don't know I have Jimmy G G. quite a bit

ahead of Dalton I think the closest surprise I would have is that Stafford floated Matthew Stafford floated with

the Dalton he's cousins he's a next door neighbors with Grappalo on my list about five above Dalton what about

Tribiskey does anybody I have him right below Dalton I have him right below, but I could see why someone would rank him a spot or two. He can move up. For me, he's

five spots below Dalton for me. Wow. But you just have Dalton much lowered. I just like I have Winston and Carr and Foles and Marioada. So maybe I'm evaluating Dalton as a little closer to that mean than you. I think he was 19th on mine of that

you kind of know what you're getting with Andy Dalton and the rest of those guys I'm not so sure. I have Chubisky four spots higher because I am not give it. I have my issues with Trubisky, but I've certainly not given up on him where we know what his ceiling is. I think I know what Andy Dolan's ceiling is and I'm not I'm not going to sign up for that as my by the concede of this exercise, you are saying that the Bears have their franchise quarterback. I think they believe they do now. If they get into a situation, it's your franchise. I think, look, he, he to me is someone that I'm going to give him another year.

Based on the same way with the Blake Bortle stuff coming at us, I'm not willing to totally knock off Mitchell Chibisky, but I see things that concern me a lot, but if he correct some of that next year, bang, they're going to give him another year, they believe it, and I believe it enough. It might be a mistake they might look back in two years. I guess I'm making the evaluation at least at this point

that they might look back in a couple years that they gave him too much rope when they had a chance. Just like Andy Dalton. Which happens all the time. Yeah. Blake Bortles. Way too broke. I gave him rope tied it around my neck. Where was Jimmy T last year for everyone? Because

So I have him up at around 14, because just because of last season, I have not, I care, I get that he got injured. It's two or three kids. I have him a complete, like, over 30 quarterbacks, I have him around 15, 16. Same. His twins are, or his neighbors are DAC and, or excuse me, cousins and Stafford. I have him right next to Brady. Ooh.

How far did Brady fall down your list? Brady's 12th on my list. I have him at 8 or 9. He's a 42-year-old man. Hey, wake up, Ricky. Do you hear that? Brady 12th on this list? How does that make you feel?

Well, that was the part that was, I thought, the challenge is like you have to factor in the global age and everything else. To be honest, I didn't really worry about the order of the list when I knew they were clear. Like for Brady, for me, he's clearly on the right side. You got a franchise. Are you choosing, you got a franchise 2019. Are you choosing to stake your franchise to Tom Brady or Deshawn Watson? DeShon Watson. Of course. The throne of Slees, Tom Brady is drifting towards the Dalton line.

That's just a fact. That's where we're at right now. He's drifting. And they just won a Super Bowl. But he is not chilling at the top of the list anymore. The thing with Brady is it could all be over in one game. It could all be, the end could happen at any game. Right.

I mean, he has rewritten any expectations of quarterback's aging process. I mean, the only time, you know, a team's made the Super Bowl three straight times, what, in 25 years is his 39 to 41-year-old years. That's insane. It's just insane. This way to the Cincinnati is a surprise AFC title game participant and the Pats fall off and it becomes the Brady scale next year.

That is awesome. No, that would be that is awesome. That would be sacrilegious. Yeah, we were retiring. It would be a great day in New York when that happened. In New York City.

See, two singers. There are multiple horses in this. That's everyone partying, you know, for the Ryan Fitzpatrick Darnold competition next year after Darnold has a deeply troubling

second season. Oof. You know, you're such a small man. I'm dealing with all this fallout with the Jets, and you can't even just take the victory of the first 20 minutes comes in for the kill.

I mean, you can't take that W. I say one negative thing about Brady. I'm having a fun retort to the Brady scale. Just for. I don't believe it in any way. See, it's even. Look how hard.

You know, Donald's nice and high out of my list. Just for curiosity's sake, where did everyone rank Baker Mayfield? But I didn't really worry about where. I had Baker, and I wanted to be a little fan-boish and put him up higher. But I'd like to see your two. I have it in number eight in between Russell Wilson and above Matt Ryan for me. I have him at 13 between Goff and Stafford. But Rise.

How dare you? A riser. Weirdly, I have him, yeah. Play 12 games. I have about eighth after Matt Ryan. I weirdly just noticed I have Thomas Dimitrov 10th. I don't know. Thomas Dimitra.

Brain fart or what? Wait, what? Was that meant to be Matt Ryan? No, because he's on the list. I'd love to know who you're linking that. I think I wrote to Middrov instead of Ryan and then, yeah, that's a problem. Mahomes, Rogers, Luck, and Russell Wilson are the only four I have over Baker Mayfield. I mean, I love Baker.

I think he could easily be in the top five for me next year, but. It's that week three Jets Browns game. When it comes to the Dalton scale, it's sort of a different conversation. He's way ahead of it, and so I'm not really sweating. It depends what we're ranking here. If you're like guys to build your franchise around, yeah, he would be in my top five. I think that was the only question. If your neighbors are Goff and Stafford, like, those are two established NFL stars right now.

He's only after year one. I thought Goff might get a little heat in this room as being around the Dalton scale. I put him at 13. Dan, you're starting a franchise tomorrow. Right. And you're choosing to start it with Jared Goff over Baker Mayfield? Well, they're next to each other. I don't believe that.

No. I don't believe you pulled the trigger on that one. Maybe I would put Mayfield right ahead of Goff. I mean, I didn't spend hours on this. You've got to live with this choice for the next 10 years. You've got to think about the PR too, like the commercials you're going to do to sell season tickets. I don't know if you've seen God's acting. They're both number one picks.

I've been, I was vocal about how dispiriting that performance was in the Super Bowl. But Goff established himself as a star in this league over the last two years. So I think maybe we've gone too far the other way now where we're doubting whether Goff is. a real like answer a quarterback a truck or a trailer guy i'm not but i would rather have matthew stafford than him i'd rather have cam newton than him i think sean mcvay's the truck exactly i'd rather have deshawn watson than him so when you're talking about those guys cousins and goff to me are in the similarish area and that for me is down 13 14 14 spots the best thing about goff is his age i mean he's barely older than you know it was a great thing about gop too

when we were at the Vikings Rams game. I've been to probably like 30, 40 NFL games in my life. I never saw a quarterback throw the ball with greater precision in a game. And that's obviously one game. But the guy has incredible skills. I think sometimes it gets, I was going to say, goffed over, glossed over, that he has put together some really good tape and still pretty short amount of time. He's 24.

He's four months young. older than Baker, which to me does matter. He's younger than Baker? Then four months older than Baker. That's that it's that you give him a little bit of a, this is his fourth season. Right. So he was,

he was just such a young pro playing. Anyway, but I agree with everything you said. You're right. But I would still like not even think twice. I would definitely take. I would probably take Baker over golf. But what's your guys is that's a good.

That's a good category. What's the best you've ever seen someone spin it live? I think I think I'm with Dan that Jerry. golf game against the Vikings. Foles against the Pats and the Super Bowl was pretty outrageous. Flacco.

I would say Flacco in the first half against the Niners. Flacco in the Super Bowl is my always been my answer. But I'm not Gettlement. I'm not drafting a guy just because he had a good game in front of my eyes.

How about like Tom Brady hitting James White in the flats like 18 times? So excited. How about James White squeezing through for that two-point conversion to tie the game up?

Wow. What a moment. Brady's fourth quarter against the Seahawks was impressive. Yeah. The best throw I've ever seen was Eli

Manning to Mario Manningham. Super Bowl 46. Right on our sideline, too. To basically bury the Patriots and ruin their legacy. That was a good damn throw. That was like... That was gorgeous. That was like four Super Bowls ago. It's hard to even remember. All right. Everybody

have Patrick Mahomes at top this list? I know that's not what this exercise was. I did. I'm curious. Yes. Wes? I do, but it's sort of like hedging because it's more of a tie with Aaron Rogers. Yeah, I have everybody have Rodgers. I still have Aaron Rogers. Well, Mark, where do you

have, Rogers, how far beneath the Dalton line? I initially had Andrew Luck number two, but I moved him down a spot to make room for Aaron Rogers, who will lead the Packers to another heat-seeking seven-win season. That must have killed you to put him in the top three. No, I used my, again, I'm the GMS to answer questions. How am I going to explain anyone that I'm putting Aaron Rogers anywhere other than the top three? I mean, they throw parades for seven-win seasons in Cleveland. You know, Greg, now, when are you going to?

Wes is getting married in a couple of days. Any insults you'd like to sling his way before we close your show? I was talking about the Browns, not you. You know, 50% of marriages end in divorce. That feels low these days. It's got to be like closer to. It's risen, yeah. Many unreported.

Yeah. All right. I don't know what that means. Speaking of the wedding. So there you go, Andy Dalton remains the Prime Meridian. And we'll check back in. next year to see how things... How badly we messed it up.

Exactly. I wanted to have Nick Wessling on the show today. Had planned a phone her with him, but we just too much stuff going on. The breaking news. It feels like a missed opportunity. Maybe we'll have Nick on after the Great Cornhole Battle in Tybee. This is our last show before...

Not having them on is like the biggest psychological warfare you can do. So I think it's beautiful. So we're looking forward to most. mostly that cornhole showdown, but also Chris getting married to Lakeisha. We're all jumping on planes. West tonight on a red eye. Tonight on a red eye. Friday, we have the largest and oldest water fight in the world.

Also the only beach bum parade on top of Huckapoo's Eric Thomas is the big cahuna for the parade. What is a water fight exactly? Help us with that. So at 6.30, anyone coming onto the island should be either in a poncho or prepared to be shot with all kind of water. I'm glad we... 30 in the evening. Okay. I'm glad we knew this.

Greg, this seems like something you would hate especially. It is. In theory, we actually were there this weekend a year ago, and Wes and I ended up... We were just having a good time playing cornhole in the drive, but we never went to any of these shenanigans. We just were having fun, and half the town was coming over to pay their respects to West, so we never even got involved. And listen to this party house that we have set up, the Sesslers, Mark and Simone. The Zusers, Dan and Emily. The Gonzo's, Colleen and John.

And our little girl, a little daughter and her own little room with the Michael J. Fox poster on the wall playing her Debbie Gibson records. Erica Tamposi. It's on. Now that is going to be fun. Wait, Gonso got the green light? I don't know. I'm hoping Gonzo will not be.

caught up with Ringer-related NBA duties. Cross our fingers on that one. That'd be another good cornhole foe. It would be, yes. I have some rivals. Oh, yeah. Gonzo and I have had some history there, too. All right, so we're really excited for that.

So because of that, you won't have another show from us until Tuesday. So, and if we get, I swear to God, if one person comes out of us on Twitter with the criticism of the show, not being online on Monday a new episode I declare vengeance I'll go to your front door Who are you if you're asking or critique

How dare you All right good stuff You ready Wes I'm ready All right let's go to Tybee Island Let's do it This is Dan Hansa signing off For Quiet Storm

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