NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jets make their move. Who’s next?

Episode Date: March 19, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- assemble to recap the latest news from around the league. The heroes discuss the Jets’ trade with the Colts to acquire the No. 3 overall pick in the draft (3:00), a trade that Keith Hanzus weighs in on (15:00). The Bills are “not ready” to move up for a QB and Honey Badger is headed to the Texans (32:00). The Vikings sign Sheldon Richardson, the Lions sign “LeGary” and he Pats make a deal with the Raiders (38:00). Tamps Bay signs a Super Bowl champ and the heroes are truly worried about Le'Veon Bell and his “lit” pets (48:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Around the NFL podcast, always triple sources. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a room filled with Heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Happy Monday, everybody. Happy Monday. And to you. You know, do you classic rock fans are probably aware of this or music fans. John Lennon's Lost Weekend, it's when he was estranged from Yoko, and I think a lot of drug use was involved, and the weekend was kind of a big deal in his growth as a man, according to John Lennon, rest in peace. I had a similar lost weekend this weekend, but nothing exciting, no heroin, no Yoko figure involved. No growth as a man. No growth is a man at all.

I don't remember anything about the weekend and it's gone. And I'm just starting to accept that this is my life. And it wasn't due to pleasant, adventurous excess. I feel you on some of these weekends where suddenly it's not just Sunday night, it's Monday morning at 4.50 a.m. And you can feel the week staring down at you. You're three days older and you've got nothing to show for it. Nothing.

How was your weekend, guys? That was good. I was meant to hang out with Dan on St. Patrick's Day, and around 4 p.m. I texted and said, it's not happening. It wasn't happening. It wasn't happening. It just wasn't going to happen. And that was it. And then Sunday happened yesterday.

I barely remember Sunday, the lost weekend. Inertia is a bitch. I barely remember anything. It's kind of a nice way to go through life. What's going to happen when you actually start getting old, Greg, and, you know, the ravages of time start to zap your mind a little bit. And your memory gets a let. I'm a little worried about that. I think it's it I we're already there I yeah we're there I view it more as like a lifestyle choice there are certain things I choose to mark as meaningful I'll keep that but pretty much everything else yeah so you're like a memory elitist maybe so I mean like I was having a good time this weekend I was enjoying it you know a lot of a lot of time with the kids and stuff but yeah it's just gone now good stuff good stuff all right good chat guys on the week and let's talk about football now because

a lot to talk about. We're now just hitting like the weak mark since the legal tampering period began. So free agency has definitely settled down, but there are still some chips falling into place. So we're going to get caught up since the last time we spoke to you, which was recorded for you, which was Friday morning. So we will get into it. And we'll start with big talk at the top of the draft board around,

yeah my favorite team the new york jets all right let's get into it all right so the big news over the weekend it was on st patrick's day uh that the jets announced uh that they had acquired the number three overall pick in the draft with the indianapolis cults the jets send their sixth overall pick the 37th overall pick the 49th overall pick so both their second round picks uh as well as the second rounder in 2019 to the cults uh so the jets move up get into prime quarterback real estate, maybe not as high up, Mark, as they wanted to because they, I guess, placed the phone call to the Cleveland Browns.

They're never going to do business with the New York Giants. That is a relationship fraught with pitfalls throughout the years. So they move up to three, box out the bills. I'm real happy as a Jets Van. Your thoughts on this move, Mark. I think we're seeing more and more of these trades where I guess you want to come out and say, oh, Team A, Fleeced, Team B, and it's evident to everyone.

I think this is a deal where the Jets win, because according to what we're hearing from the Jets, they're comfortable with, in theory, getting the third quarterback on the board or their board, that they would be okay with that. And the cults who I incorrectly pinged on Friday for being too inactive, really they want to build through the draft, and this allows Chris Ballard to do exactly that. So you can pick a winner in this, but for me, both teams got what they needed. The Jets have needed a quarterback forever, and they have a chance. to get one. This is a fascinating trade on so many levels. They put the bills in checkmate six

weeks before the draft. It turns the Giants number two pick into one of the most interesting pick scenarios we've ever seen. And I've never seen a trade like this where a team gives up what they gave up nearly two bucks on the dollar according to Chase Stewart of Pro Football reference compared to some other trades like Goff and Wentz that were much less on the dollar. and they don't have a specific target in mind. You could trade up. They must on some level. You can't.

In their own mind. You can only say that one of these three quarterbacks I'm fine with. Or I'm okay with that. But they don't have an RG3, a golf, or a wince that they're specifically trading up. Or in theory, they love, let's say, Rosen and Mayfield. Like those are their top two guys, and they just feel really good and they could be wrong, that one of those two will be there at three. it makes sense.

I agree with everything both of you guys said. The thing I'd be worried about is the idea that ultimately all of these moves are being made by the Jets and a general manager who I'm not confident is going to be there a year from now and do the Jets avoid getting into the same cycle that they've been in over and over and over where different people are drafting players for different parts of the franchise because will the Jets have enough patience to withstand another 3 and 13, 4 and 12 season and not change their general manager who just spent a ton of money on mid-level free agent players and now is making all of these draft picks.

And it's a lot of draft picks. I mean, it's four players for one. So you're trading four players for one, including the number six overall pick in this draft and three pretty high-level picks. It's virtually no risk, amazing move for the Colts. And it all works out for the Jets if they pick the right quarterback. But the trick is it's not just about picking the right quarterback. It's providing that quarterback with enough structure from ownership to coach to general manager

to the players and having a plan to make that quarterback look good. And if they're five and 11 a year from now, if they're five and 11 a year from now and they fire all those, then it's a dumb move. You're speaking a lot of sense. but it's also it's one step at a time here and I think that they have some pieces in place on a roster that's not ready for the playoffs but I don't think it's as bad as last year certainly not when they had a lot of people were predicting oh and 16 so I think there are some pieces there I think that if you get the quarterback and he shows Flash's ability to play and be a franchise guy which it has to be to if you're going to trade up this high and give up this much if you get that guy in place then I think McCagman buys time the only way it doesn't work out, is if they draft a quarterback that completely bombs in year one, like

Deshawn Kaiser, which there was a lot of factors in that, in that, but even he was a second rounder. Sure. So it's like, if they can just get a guy that flashes, I think it buys McCagnan some time, and it should, because I think he's had a good offseason after the Kirk Cuthers. I think that's tough to evaluate a rookie

quarterback off of that. Look at Jared Gough in his rookie season. There are plenty of other... But then what do you do? Not swing for... The Jets, I think, if anything, correctly assessed that there was a possibility that if they stayed where they were at six, that not only the third quarterback wouldn't come to them, that maybe four or five could go, and then you'd be stuck with Mike McAggen. Right, you'd be stuck with Josh McCown and a wait-and-see-bed-a-bridgewater. That's how you get fired. If this works, Mike McCagnan could be there for the next 10 years. Right, but he would also be

four years into it. I guess the thing which is worth raising is he's struggled drafting quarterback so far. It's been much lower picks, but whether in Houston or in New York, and he hasn't really, at this point shown anything for his three years running the Jets other than Haper. Then you fire him before this process. Right. I agree with that. I think they sort of have to buy into McCagnin and Bowls again long term, which is a crazy, it's a crazy spot because usually you do want to see progress after two, definitely three years of a run and they haven't shown it. Relevant to the number six overall pick. Since Joe Flacco was selected, number 18 overall in 2008, 25 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round. Tim Tebow is the only one from pick six.

six to 32 who's won a playoff game in the past decade. And I thought that the bills, I don't know. I mean, I understand that the bills were aggressive to move up to 12, but I thought they telegraphed this a little too much and gave McCagnant if you needed any more window to know, you need to make this move before the bills do. And maybe the bills do get to number two and then they're okay as well. But I think that, I think McCagnant did what Buffalo didn't, which was seize the moment there. and now it leaves the bills in a super desperate spot because they, yes, they have, like Wes

said, it's harder to find a true difference maker later in the first round. And you have in the bills, they have two first round picks, but then A.J. McCarrant, which is no one's example of a guy you want to lead the franchise and Nate Peterman. So they are almost in a desperate thought. If I'm a Giants fan or if I'm in the Giants organization, I'm thinking really hard what I want to do here. If I'm a, do I want to stay in the pick or move? I feel the same way about the cults who now are in six.

But if you want to see how the draft plays out and maybe spin that back with the bills if they have someone they like, you could really clean up off this pick. You've already done it with the Jets. The Colts. Trade back again if someone's there on the draft. I'm just saying the Colts are still in a very good business.

Chris Ballard told Peter King that they would be open to. I mean, of course you'd be open to it. It depends what comes your way. But that's how you play the draft if you're the Colts. They want to avoid free agency and they want to stockpile and stack one draft after the next for three years. That's how he wants to build Indiana.

That's a safer and generally how you win. Doesn't mean it always works. Certainly the Browns haven't used the picks and the Carson Wentz trade particularly well. So it all depends on, again, I think the structure sort of that you have in place. Do you have an offensive philosophy that can groom a great young quarterback in New York?

The Colts thing is safer. I do find it interesting that I think people around the league and you saw in the Peter King article and I've heard other things, I don't know if everyone really buys the whole Giants aren't taking a quarterback thing at two. That is very much up in the air whether they're going to take that two. Well, why would you not trade to six if you weren't going to take a quarterback?

I mean, outside of Sequan Barkley and if you were that fascinated with him, you can get almost the best outside of the quarterback position player available at six. Right, they're going to get Chubb or they're going to get Barkley or it's a top pick for the Colts. You have to surmise, I know the Jets and Giants don't do business, but it would be malpractice if Mike McAgnon didn't make that call to the Giants, it hasn't been reported yet, it has been with the Browns, but it would be absolutely insanely going out of your way to do your job poorly if you didn't see if the Giants would take this offer.

It's a pretty nice offer. They've never traded before, and they never will. Right, but of course you would call to see if the Giants would do it. I don't know. Probably did. But I'm just saying... You should be fired if they didn't. There's a serious reason why this trade with the Giants would never happen

because the Jets and Giants don't do business together. Dave Getham and seems like of the 32 GMs, the least likely one to care about what's on the back page of the New York Post or any other newspaper. But if the Jets stay at three, get the quarterback of the future, he turns out to be great, and the Giants bypass a quarterback, Eli Mani's successor, don't go quarterback. They're going to get absolutely destroyed. And even more so because it's the Jets. So that's how the Jets can stick into the Giants. The Giants are boxed in, I think in that sense with the quarterback position. Because even if Gettleman and this regime likes Eli and thinks he has a couple of years left,

which the jury is obviously out on that. You can't risk. What if the Giants are four and six on Halloween? Jerry just came back, actually. Yeah. They've reached the verdict. Right. What if they're four and six on Halloween

and they didn't draft a quarterback and Sam Rosen has 20 touchdowns for the Jets? The Fox analyst Sam Rosen suddenly played for the Jets? Josh Rood. I think that in that situation, the Giants would get killed. And the Giants are smart organization. I don't think they'll ever go down that road.

I think the gentleman's played it well so far. He's got everybody thinking he could take a quarterback or Sequin Barclay and the guys everybody wants to trade up. Boxed Cleveland into taking a quarterback at one or risking incredible PR fallout as well because they can't wait till four now to see what happens. No, because, yeah, even if they wait. They never could, I don't think. I think they were going quarterback all along, but if they wanted to get cute and you found out

someone else really wanted play a, you know, Chub or Sequan Barkley at two or three, you could maybe wait till 4 for your quarterback. They don't have that luxury now because of what the Jets. And I think, and this is not something that's unconsidered with the Jets or in New York in general, I think since the Johnson family has taken over this franchise, is they can sell this. Like, this gets the Jets fans excited at a point,

at a lowest point possible in terms of buying tickets, in terms of excitement about the franchise. And it's like they had to sort of do this to re-engage their fan base. I'm not saying that's a good, reason to make decisions, but I think it goes into the decisions. This also shows how one-sided the relationship is between a fan and a team. Right. Because as a fan, you have no choice but to give yourself over to the team.

And the guys who are stewards, Mike McCaghanon, he's the steward of your fandom. He and Todd Bulls, they're charged with basically a public trust, but what they're doing is saving their jobs. Like all of their moves are intended to save their jobs, not to reward your fandom. I do wonder what's the difference, and there's no way to know, of Woody Johnson being in the UK. I think that probably makes a difference. There are, there's, Chris Johnson is his brother. It's in charge of things.

And from the reports that you hear, Chris Johnson has been more open, more communicative with the team. It's been a better culture around there. Obviously, it's a short-term thing with Woody in the working for Trump. But we'll see how it all plays out. You brought up the fans. One thing on this, Albert Breer reported on this that Woody was, he was on board with this decision before he left, that they had talked about this quarterback plan a year ago

and he was already on board with it, do whatever you can to get a quarter. He knows what they've been missing for his entire tenure there. McCagnan needs some hits. These are his top five paid players on the team. McCown is number one, amazingly, only 10 million. Tremaine Johnson, good player. Kelvin Beach and Buster Screen and Brian Winters. I mean, those are your top five paid players.

jet. So he needs to bring in big time talent. And he, the quarterbacks, the two quarterback whiffs, not really petty as much, but obviously Hackenberg stick with him and deservedly so. So he gets one more shot to get a quarterback and make it work. And what were you going to say? Well, you described, you opened the show by describing yourself as having a lost weekend that went from A to Z with no human memory, your team in the middle of this weekend. I would, did it not spice it up a little bit your Saturday or Sunday to find out that this was happened? I woke up to that. So that was very good and I think it's good to

we haven't heard from a while I wanted to see how Keith Hansis thought about the Jets the first week of Free Agency about this trade and asked him why don't report card time with Keith Hansis so let's see what Keith had to say his name is Keith

he's dad's dad no doubt about it he's a big Jets fan what is he going to say about the name today What is he going to say About the game today I think

The Chesson made a good trade To move up in their draft position I'm hoping for Donald To be their top six As the best scenario But I think Rosen would be Very good as well Because he's a drop-back faster

From the pro-style offense I'm also happy with the fact that They missed out on the Cousins deal I think that that's the best for both, cousins and the Jets, and Dubai to both Teddy and Hacks. All right, that's, they're not going to be missed. I think also, as far as the move that McCagney has made, was pretty good, the signing of McGowan and Bridgewater, Clairborne,

and Avery Wilkinson has also been a good pickup. So my grade so far is a B-plus, but they need an end. A plus with QB, she makes this successful off season. You have to remember, thank you, Dad. You have to remember how hopeless last offseason was. So Jet fans are pumped right now, and maybe McCaghan is not the answer. Greg, I don't think any Jets fan is all the way in on him because of what happened with Hakenberg mostly. But I like what they've done this past week, and I'm

really excited for the draft. So they're doing their job as an organization, at least right now. Fans have hope, and they're excited for the future. I like how Keith delivered. He knows that you want grades to get clicks. You got to hand out grades. That's what the customer wants, and he's doing it. By the way, Bill's general manager, Brandon Bean, told Peter King, he is, quote, not ready to move up in the draft for a quarterback.

His quote to King, I haven't spent enough time to have an opinion about any of them yet, honestly. You are a liar. Well, now he doesn't know where to move up to. I think that it became a lot trickier for him. That's interesting because it's such a different. It's the inverse of the Jets approach. The Jets traded up without a specific target in mind when they haven't had a chance to sit down and meet with any of these guys.

And the Bills GM has basically said, I want as much data as possible. I want to meet with these guys. I want to know who I'm trading up for. It's the exact opposite approach. They met with them at the Combine, I'm sure. It's lying season. For 15 minutes, not like not spending a whole day with them,

putting them up on the blackboard, seeing what makes him tick. But they've also, the Jets have been scouting these quarterbacks for two years. and they have to feel confident with what they're going to get. Organizational, not just McCagnan, but the scouts and everyone else that have been sent out to track every one of these players' moves for 700 days. Going back to that Bert Breer piece, Plan A was actually to draft a quarterback high,

assuming 2016 would be a night, or 2017 would be a nightmare loss season. Then the cousins, they went to the cousins race. That didn't work out. So they're back to the plan A, which was plan B, or plan B, which was plan A. and they're going to be okay, I think. That's what I feel.

It shows you how costly those wins are. Oh, brutal. And, like, for instance, the bills should have lost that game in the snow against the Colts. And then the Colts have another win. I don't know what the tiebreaker would have been, but they would have the same record as the Jets. Who knows?

You might have just been in the number three spot. If that game, there's just so many crazy factors. And now the Colts get, you know, four second round picks out of it because, you know, Chuck Pagano decided not to get closer for an Adam Venetary field goal. It's just so strange. Dan, we spoke Friday about your saying that you like Lombardi's quote about football being the perfect team sport except for the imbalance at the quarterback is too important. And that goes hand in hand with another one of my favorite quotes from Thomas Dimitroff.

When you don't have a QB, the search for one consumes you. But my new favorite to describe the value of a quarterback in the NFL was. David Letterman at the Peyton Manning ceremony when he said this guy changed the skyline of the city. This is the goal of every NFL team to have a quarterback in place for two decades that makes you one of the eight or ten franchises who are relevant to ESPN NFL network and everyone else who covers football because two-thirds of the league, here's a dirty little secret, doesn't get reported on and is irrelevant to most of the major networks, most of the media.

You do not want to be on the Bills, Jets, and Brown's hamster wheel of irrelevance for two decades. You want the quarterback who changes skylines, gets buildings built. Make sure you sell out every game like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and changes the skyline. That's the goal, and that's what the Jets are trying to do here. Yeah, and if Peyton Manning doesn't have that one loss season due to the neck injury where the cults conveniently out of nowhere go what, one in 15, they get Andrew Luck. then the cults are one of these teams that couldn't have made this deal. The only reason we can praise Chris Ballard,

and he deserves praise, but you're able to make this move because assuming Andrew Luck doesn't have more health issues, you've got that guy, and so you can accrue draft picks and build around it. There's so much randomness that goes into it. Tom Brady lasting until Pick 199 is randomness. We haven't heard from Keith Hanseson while.

How about Chris Ballard? I'd like to hear from him. What's your favorite type of frog? I mean, he doesn't have a lot of different things to say, but it's always interesting, his questioning. Anyway, so that's what's going on. So is it really possible, by the way, that the first five-quarter draft picks would be quarterback?

That's not possible, right? I think it's completely possible. Has that ever happened? Well, Cleveland has, Cleveland would have to trade out because Cleveland's got the fourth pick. So four of the top five, because you go to Denver. Instead of them in the first three. Yes.

There have been three. I don't think there has ever been top four. I don't, when was the last time? Did you hit me with an absolutely there? Oh, no. I think there's been three. There's been a couple of times when there were top three. When you hit somebody with it absolutely, I want the facts.

No, I thought you asked if the top three could be quarterbacks this time. And that's what I said. It would be wild. It's an interesting scenario. I haven't heard anyone opine. Could it be all four, you know, with the Browns and Giants. This is a strange year. I think it could happen.

So it would be Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield. And who would be the fifth? Well, no fifth, no fifth. Yeah, probably not a fifth. Or Jackson could come off at some point after that because, listen, the other player in this, if they have any way to do it, I think Miami realizes, as they should have,

a month ago, they're not going to get big or Mayfield or any of these guys they like at 11. They're going to have to try to wait. You've got three AFC East teams trying to get into the top five for quarter. Well, it's also such an inexact science. Bucky Brooks was talking last week. Some teams have Mason Rudolph ranked first or

second, second or third. And I don't think it's like some crazy, like they're just out on the crazy ledge. They're like, no, we like him about third for those reasons. And so that makes me think, well, he's getting taken in the first round. And maybe he's going to be a guy that Arizona and Miami looks at. I don't know if those are those teams that like them. I wonder how many QBs go in the first round. I mean, Baltimore, Baltimore's been talked about as a sneak team to grab a quarterback. They're at one pick after the Cardinals, 15, 16. The Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins. In addition to all the teams we've been talking about.

Patriots, probably not in the first round, but nothing would shock me with them. The crazy thing is because the quarterback absence is right now about five or six quarterbacks around the league. And if this will not happen, you know that two of these guys will work out, the rest will completely s the bed and it will be an utter nightmare for three franchises. But if it ever did work out, and this was the draft that for a certain amount of time, brought us to the point where we finally, in our lifetime, have 32 functioning, enjoyable starting quarterback. It's impossible. It won't happen, but this is a bigger hall. Smith, another one's going to be Kaye McNound.

No doubt. It could be 2004 with three either Hall of Fame or Borderline Hall of Fame Quarterbacks. That would change a lot. The difference is back in 2004, people weren't going as crazy, and guys like Ben Rathosberger could slip to 11 or a team like the Chargers could confidently trade down to four. Or 2017, when guys like Pat Mahomes and Deshawn Watson slip.

that's fair yep mark 20 although I'm not ready to put them right there right there yet 2021 Jets Brown's AFC title game sound good

I mean it sounds great as long as my team wins it'd be even more painful to lose to the Jetson after all this you'll take a loss I'll say that now because then I'll know the quarterback is good

last time they played in the playoffs it was one of the longest games in NFL history not possible with 10 minute overtime that would guarantee doubling the combined Jets and Brown Super Bowl appearances.

There was a game like that. Right? Oh, Greg. Oh, Greg. I dare you. All right. Let's get into the rest of the news around the league. And we'll start with, yes, the Honey Badger.

He finds work. It happened on Friday after we finished our show. The Houston Texans signed the former Cardinals defensive back. Tyron Matthew, the deal is for one year and $7 million, according to Tom Alcero, who had the report for us. The deal was official on Monday. Wes, I am really surprised that he essentially signed for a prove-a-deal, were you? Yeah, I think part of that's the safety market, which has been non-existent.

I think he was the first big name of all of the safeties to sign. There's been no Earl Thomas trade. I think that was a big part of it. And probably teams wondering, is Tyron Matthew ever going to be 2015 all-pro Tyron Matthew again? he wasn't quite that even at the end of last year. But this Texan's defense is very intriguing because they have so many question marks. He's one of them. Will J.J. Watt ever be the same player?

Will Whitney Merciless come back to what he was? Can their other additions really bolster a secondary that needed it last year? They seem like a fascinating defense. If half of those answers are no, they're in big trouble. But they were not a good secondary last year. But the upside with Clowny, Merciless, Watt, Honey Badger, it's pretty exciting. really good young inside linebackers. Matthew's at a different level.

I was really surprised, and this maybe is a case where we allowed, you know, a player that we really love watching play. We certainly love his personality, color how we thought his market was going to be. Although I don't think we were the only ones because that was surprising. I think his judging by his words, his agent was expecting something better. But I did ask around a little bit about this one. And I didn't think, I guess there wasn't what you said in terms of the health, whether he's ever going to be all the way back physically.

And I think the question with him was he has to prove that he can cover wide receivers out of the slot. I think there's some question whether he really is a cover guy. And if he's not, then what is he? Sort of a box safety. So I think there's some question. If he can show that he can cover guys one-on-one in Houston, he might be resigning in Houston for a lot of money.

How many free safeties cover wide receivers, though? More now. And the ones that get big contracts. They're usually covering. running backs and tight ends out of the back few. I mean, they can do zone. You know, he might be more of a zone guy. Either way, I think there was question, obviously,

that he could get back to the level he was at, and he'll have a chance to prove it. I mean, Don Terry Poe and Alson Drefrey are great examples of guys who settled for Prove It deals last year and ended up getting paid. This stat from Bill Barnwell, a VSPN, that speaks to the statistical drop of Honey Badger. He had five interceptions, 11 tackles for a loss, knocked away 17 passes in 14 games before suffering that second torn ACL in three years.

In the 26 games in 2016, 17, two interceptions, nine tackles for lost eight pass breakups. So maybe not as productive a guy and a team like the Texans was smart to be able to sign a guy that has a chance and a chip on his shoulder to get back to that level or maybe he doesn't. I guess if you're the Texans, you wish you had him for more than one year because if he's a monster again this year, then he hits the open water. And you do what Jeffrey did with the Eagles, I think, showed a nice blueprint of what to do with some of these high-risk guys, high reward. Jeffrey and Timmy Jernigan were both brought in with one-year deals.

One was a free agent. One was a trade. And by late in the season, they were like, these are our guys. And you can get those long-term deals done during the season. Yeah, and Matthews is going to look at them and say, this is the team that took a shot on me. I don't know who else tried to recruit him. But J.J. Watt was a huge reason that he went there.

moving on Kyle Fuller he's staying with the Bears but another team made a play the Green Bay Packers had signed Fuller the cornerback to a offer sheet and Chicago quickly

matched it so the deal is 56 million over four years 18 million in guarantees rap sheet reported Greg can you kind of make sense of this to me I'm just a little confused about the way they play this the Packers

The Bears basically let another team negotiate for them and then immediately match the deal. What was behind all this? I'm a little confused, too, of the reaction to it, which has been suspiciously similar across the outlets as if they're getting talking points from someone inside the Bears building. Ultimately, you know, the Bears can argue that, hey, the Packers kind of negotiated for us. It was tough to get a deal done. We didn't want to, you know, set his number really high by giving him the Frans. tag. I still look at it like you're paying Kyle Fuller as much money in the next two years as almost any cornerback in football. A, that's questionable. And B, if you had been a little more aggressive to begin with, certainly if you gave them the fifth year option, I understand the reasons they didn't do it. But I would have rather kept them on the franchise tag than do this deal. Because they basically gave them a two-year, $29.5 million deal. And they had the Packers negotiate for him, but I think they could have had them for less. If you start with a franchise tag number of 15 million, then this deal goes even higher.

Maybe. I mean, that's... They won him there long term. But I think that they wanted to find out what his market was. They honestly didn't know what his market would be. And part of it is he wanted to find out maybe what his market was, too, instead of just accepting a deal before going to free agency and he found out. It makes sense that they matched it right away. Why let a good player go away?

To me, the confusing part was why did it? the Packers make it so easy to match? Did they really think the Bears weren't going to match that? Maybe they're just getting them to pay it. I mean, why not do it? You know what? It doesn't hurt. It's like asking for a raise. I think it's a reason

you don't see the transition tag used very often at all because the reactions by everyone are kind of just like, excuse me? It is crazy, though. And the fifth-year option thing, I really think if you're keeping a player on your roster, give them the fifth-year option. There is so

little downside. Kyle Fuller would be on their team for, I think, a third as much this season as he will wind up being. I think he's getting $21, $22 million this year now. Speaking of Prove-It deals, Sheldon Richardson has found a home. It is with the star-studded Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota announced Friday that the former Seahawks and Jets defensive linemen signed a one-year $8 million pact worth up to $11 million incentives to join a stack defense defense in Minnesota. Mark, the rich get richer, and Richardson, who's still just 27 years old, gets a chance to really reestablish his value on a great defense. From a Viking standpoint, it reminds me a little bit with the Seahawks up until before this

offseason where they were adding these big-name defenders to what they thought was a team still in its Super Bowl window and keep adding strength on strength. The Vikings right now have Sheldon Richardson and Linval Joseph at tackle and Everson Griffin and Donnell Hunter. That is an incredible defensive line if they stay healthy. And they're basically saying our Super Bowl window is wide open. We're going to keep adding these guys. And the one thing for all the quarterback chatter,

Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman did talk about we cannot lose what is the heart of our team, which is our defense. We have to keep these guys around for the extent of this run. I think the NFL sent a message to Richardson too, which is like, we don't trust you. So because he is such a talented guy. I mean, I saw it as a Jets fan when he was at his peak in around 2014, 2015, before he started getting into trouble, the guy was a terror on defenses.

But people don't want to give him a long-term deal because there's been too many red flags. So this is what he's got to live with. He kind of paid for that. And if he can't succeed, it's a great position to look great because if you can't succeed on that defensive line and you're going to be on television, national television pretty much every other week. in a lot of prime time games and you can be part of a quote-unquote winning culture that goes to the playoffs and like all that stuff I think helps your bottom line as as Malcolm Butler and Nate Solder. I mean, if he can't get it done there, he's not going to get it done. I don't stick to the speed limit, please, in Minnesota on the streets of Minnesota.

It's smart. It's why Indomac and Sue should sign with the Rams. Just go to go to the Rams. Play next to Aaron Donald. You'll be on TV every week and you can go back in a free agency next year. Just sign a one-year deal and wreck the league. Can't wait for an offseason full of who has the best defense. line in football with Michael Bennett saying things like I think we can have the greatest defensive line in the history of the NFL they're pretty good comparing it to the golden state warriors as if he learned nothing from Vince Young um Sheldon Richardson we were just in Minnesota so we can give you some tips how to stay out of trouble but still have fun

I think it begins and ends with the TGI Fridays lock it down at TGIFs just lock down get a nice Coke and some jalapeno poppers have a nice night great wait stuff there who's the waiter again that we love that was his name What was his name? It was something unique. I've got a nice guy. I've got three more words for him just as a recommendation. Long sleeve undershirts.

It's big time. Makes a big time different. How about long John underpants? It cold up there. Moving on, Lagari. Speaking of cold locations, he signs with the Detroit Lions. I like that everybody knows him as Larry. Just one more.

The former Eagles running back, the former Patriots running back. He is on a two-season Super Bowl championship streak. And now he goes to a team that's never even went to the Super Bowl. That will end. But anyway, Blunt reunites with Matt Patricia, who of course was with New England for the last several years. But, but Greg Rosenthal, there's a lot of buzz percolating that the lions are going to add someone else to go with LaGarry,

as soon as the draft. Well, that shows there's not a lot of faith in Amir Abdullah, who's there. I was interested. He got a lot of run, didn't he? Abdullah had his chance to prove himself, right? And the regime still likes him. I don't know where this buzz is coming from about the draft because everything they've said is Amir Abdullah is still in our plans.

I was really intrigued by Blunt saying he had a really strong bond with Matt Patricia. Anytime I ever saw him, I'm quoting him now, any part of the building, whatever the circumstances. It was always laughs and jokes. We got really close. It would get serious. I just like this idea of that Matt Patricia is sort of this man about town that like everyone loves.

I believe it. It was just Belichick kind of constraining him publicly and now we're learning that he's the life of the party. Well, I think we act like the offense and defense in these buildings never, you know, rat and eyes or see each other. These guys are locked down in the building 24 hours a day. Some teams, you remember collision and low crossers. It showed how.

separated those two worlds can be, but maybe Maddie Patricia is just one of those exceptions that everybody, you know, he lights up a room, Maddie. This is a position they've needed for a long time, a power back in Detroit. But I'm a little interested to see how it works out because these backfields where they have the power guy and the passing down guy often don't work out because there's so much of a tell about who's coming into the game, what you're going to do. The Saints have guys like Ingram and Kamara who can do both. one of them's a passing down guy who runs well

and the other's a running down guy who catches well. Blunt is one of the least effective receiving backs in the NFL and who's their... Theo Riddick is one of the least effective running running backs in the NFL. So it's a tell and that's why they have to keep Amir Abdullah because he can do both. Just when

you thought it was safe to go back in the water, the trade tsunami strikes once more. Oh my goodness. Or even on land. It's not even safe there. Well, yeah. Yeah, the nature of the tsunami is that it's attacking the land from the sea. But obviously being, if you're looking to just, you know, hang out in the water. Go to the sixth floor of your local tall building.

Yeah. The Patriots acquired kick returner slash wide receiver, Corderell Patterson, as well as a sixth round pick in this year's draft from the Oakland Raiders in exchange for a fifth round pick this season. And Greg, this is a move for the Pats that. Obviously, they had a hole after Dionne Lewis left for Tennessee in their kick return game. I would need to be convinced that Cordell Patterson is going to be a part of their offense, but who knows? No, I don't think he will.

I mean, just looking at Edelman, Hogan, Cooks, Malcolm Mitchell, Kenny Britt in theory. I mean, he's at best fifth or sixth. But I like that the Patriots put such an extreme value on special teams. It's kind of part of their secret sauce that they invest more in special teams than just about any team. in the league, and it shows up every year. They're always one of the top six or seven special teams. They're going to lose your boy, Matthew Slater, it looks like. I thought the timing was interesting because Cordero isn't just a returner.

He's also a gunner. He's really good at punk cover. There's a pretty strong argument to be made. He's the best special teams player in the NFL. So why did the Raiders give up? Because they thought he's a terrible wide receiver, and he is, apparently, and I think that was what they were focused on. John Gruden determined to go 5 and 11 also.

That could be it. 1998 football. In other Raiders news, Beast Mode is going to be sticking around, it looks like, because he will get that $1 million roster bonus. According to Rapsheet, he's scheduled to make about $6 million in 2018. So Marciaun Lynch and Doug Martin, Mark Sessler, will be the two lead guys, it looks like. Do you like that pairing? I mean, they've got a deep roster because DeAndre Washington got Jail and Rashard as well.

I don't, I was not huge on Marshawn Lynch last year. I thought he played better than I thought he would. I think it depends completely which Doug Martin you get. I, I'm kind of surprised they're keeping Lynch. Greg, I believe you had a sandwich on this and he would be gone. And I don't know if I took you up on that. Maybe I did just for the game itself, but I thought you'd be right. Well, check it on the sandwiches on Friday.

I mean, I just, I don't, it's, it's an interesting move. I don't know if I'd want Lynch as my starting guy in 2018. Boomer bust is the way I would look at their backfield. If I'm a fan of another AFC West team, I like everything I'm hearing coming out of Oakland. I agree. You think Beast Mode. He was one of the best running backs in the league in the last eight years.

He was solid last year, but he's a role player. John Gordon is building a Jeff Fisher team. So I would love for an AFCs. If I'm a Chargers fan, I'm thrilled with this. Your Chiefs fan watching the Chiefs reload, have a whole different type of quarterback, and you're looking at the Raiders and saying, I'm watching the way Andy Reeve

runs that offense going up against a 1998 philosophy with John Gruden, and I'm happy with Andy Reed. I'm also seeing the Broncos going this way, down. They are. The Chargers are always going to be the Chargers. I know everybody gets excited to win seven to nine games probably. I think there's definitely a path for the Raiders to be fighting in that AFC West for a... That's the Chargers division to lose.

They have the best roster in that division. Here we go again. Every year. I'll put my money down on them again. I'll do it again, too. I believe in talent over randomness. If you just stick with the same teams year after your year, then you end up being right.

The Eagles, you got it. It finally came around for you. And in other Patriots moves, they signed Adrian Claiborne, two-year, $12 million. So he gives them another guy on the edge. They also signed a running back. Oh, this is going to work out for that's annoying. Jeremy Hill.

It's like Cory Dylan all over again. Who once upon a time was one of the young powerbacks in the league. Everybody was excited about. and ever since that fumble in the playoff game against the Steelers, it seemed like his career went in the tank the last two years, and now he gets a chance at redemption in Bill Belichick's offense. That's Cincinnati to New England running back pipeline. You've got Rex Burkhead, Corey Dillon, now you got Jeremy Hill.

What are the Bengals gotten out of that pipeline? Anything going to the other one? Ben Jarvis, Green Ellis. They got Ben-Tate, Brandon Tate. I don't think the Bengals know how pipelines should work properly. It's supposed to be like both ways things should be coming. in a positive way. It used to be, the sewage just floated down from Pittsburgh to Cincinnati on the Ohio River

and the Bengals would sign everyone cut by the Steelers. This is the part of free agency. Lewis Riddick, for what it's worth, kind of a Belichick disciple put it out on Twitter today that like this is the key part of free agency. This is when the best signings happen. I don't know if that's, that might be overstating a little bit, but we do get caught up. Does make you sound smart. We do get caught up in like really reacting after a couple days and now the Patriots.

And many other teams are going to keep filling in their rosters. And it's like, at this point, what of the Patriots really lost? Nate Solder, to me, is a huge loss. And you have to figure out how to fix that. And they'll probably re-sign one of their guys like Lay Adrienne Waddle, but that's not necessarily a total solution. But after that, it's like, all right, you're filling in your roster with some guys and you can totally see them making Hill work.

And Claiborne, at least providing pretty cheap, solid defensive end snaps like he did a year ago. And it's like, okay. I'm always interested in who, especially on offense for me, who they decide to zero in on that other teams did not see. Now, Jeremy Hill, I think he kind of just ran. The team ran on a patience with him. But this is the team that turned Rex Burkhead into a 10 times better player than he was. Chris Hogan with the Bills.

I mean, they are playing these teams. They're scouting them. Okay, but that's because they have five other running backs that work. But yeah. No, your point is well taken. I mean, Chris Hogan, come on, Bill. Those names just brought up, I was just thinking about that. The last three years now in the offseason, the Patriots have made a second-tier pickup.

that everybody was like, oh, that's going to work. Hogan, Burkhead. Although Burkhead wasn't like a home run last year, but he was a good fit for them. He helped. He was starting until he blew his knee. Right. And you can't tell what running backs are going to do

and who's in there. Burkhead's perfect for that. In other news, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are having a nice little couple weeks, I think. Vinny Curry agrees to a three-year, $23 million deal with the bucks. He was released by the Eagles, but the pipeline told us that

The pipeline could be a lot of different things. We were told via the pipeline that that was not for performance reasons. The Eagles just had salary cap issues, so Curry had to go. The Bucks paid like they wanted a guy that, or they believe this is a guy that could make a real impact. You like this move, Wes. I do. I kind of like what the Bucks are doing so far. Curry, I think, is an upgrade on a declining aging Robert Ayers, and they desperately needed all.

I thought offensive line was their biggest need. Secondary probably too, but Ryan Jensen, helps them put Allie Marpet back at guard. Still have an issue at left tackle, but I think James Winston is going to be running out of excuses soon. I'd be wary of almost any offensive line signing this offseason because history tells us half of them are going to be busts. I mean, these are a lot of guys.

I kind of put them as a group in a worst contracts of free agency column. And Ryan Jensen, who played 16 games at Center in his life, was a backup for five seasons basically in Baltimore is now the highest paid center in the league. Justin Pugh and Western. By the way, he had a vigorous market. A lot of people loved him. He had a great year, but I'm just saying a guy that the Ravens literally never trusted to be a starter, including last season, until injuries started. And he played great. Maybe it'll work out. I have none of us really know. Justin Pugh and Weston Richburg, both coming off serious injury concerns, got paid full price. Your guy Hubbard on Cleveland, it's like if you needed an

offensive lineman, you just had to pay them like stars. Not my guy. I would say that, I mean, Peter King's Monday morning. Why do you order that Chris Hubbard jersey? Well, you're right, because I order all the jerseys because they cost about $180 each, and I'm just flushed with cash. But, like, the Jensen got as many calls as Kirk Cousins from the, according to his age and early on. So the one thing about the bucks, if they get good, I need you. If we're going to have additional games, you must change the uniforms immediately.

I cannot watch an extra one, two or three games of the bucks in these outfits. I think there's some type of amount of time they must stick with the uniform. No, it's five years. And that's five years for many with these uniforms. So you're just going to have to stick it out. Stick it out, guys, hanging there. By the way, nice use there of vigorous, vigorous market. Usually vigorous lover.

It's one of those words that connects with another one. I feel like I've heard Damashik say that about himself. Yes, he calls himself a vigorous lover, I believe. Waiting for a second or a third source on that. On check? He's acting as his own source. That's one way to do it. He's a biased.

He is prolific. Orlando Scandrick spent nine seasons. with the Dallas Cowboys. He stays in the NFC East and lands a two-year deal worth up to $10 million with the Washington Football Club of Mark Sessler. Excuse me. Well, you wrote the post, thrown it to you.

I mean, I guess they needed cornerbacks. Breeland goes to market. Kendall went to market. I mean, you have to, he'll step in and play the slot, but he's not young. What's going on with Breeland? What's going on with Rashad Breelan? Another failed physical scenario.

Yeah, the failed physical. Cut his foot in Dominican Republic? Oh, boy. Did that happen after our last podcast? I think it happened. No. The details came out after we did. Right.

I feel like someone's going to get a deal for that guy. Well, let's see. How bad is the cut? I need more details. It required more than a Band-Aid. That's heartbreaking luck. I don't know Bashad Breeland, but to think that, like, you might have one big payday in your entire life.

I mean, in terms of just like, it's all, focused on this one time and he cuts his foot. Also, barring it being a giant cut, why wouldn't the team say, we know this cut's going to be fine, like four weeks from now, three weeks from now? Counterpoint, Greg. Yeah. Wear a pair of shoes. Oh, maybe it's the thing that he's not the most intelligent vacationer.

You think he was wearing those gloves for your feet? I'm saying if I was about to make like $30 million, whatever his contract was, I don't like to go anywhere anyway, but put me in the bubble, man. Yeah, no, you're right. Give me a bottle of Titos and give me... Take the vacation after. The season should end and you should just stay in one room. Until you get paid.

And the kids aren't even allowed in the room. I like dance philosophy. I'll vacation outside the United States when I'm dead. And finally in the news, a tweet... Speaking of soon to be dead, Levion Bell, the Steelers star running back, tweeted this out to his followers on Saturday. should I get a pet alligator or should I get piranhas, which would be more lit? Boy.

Mark, we'll start with you. Let's give them honest advice here. I would go piranhas because for me, it's a dangerous animal. I don't know about more lit. Give me a break. But like, you can keep it kind of caged inside of. No judgment zone. We're just trying to help Lev.

I'd go piranhas because it's a flashy, attractive item when you have like people over to the house that can stand around and look at the fish tank. alligator. You've got to keep track of where that thing is. And maybe you weren't comfortable with the slang, but you're hitting out exactly what he's asking. What would be more... I think that would be more flashy, exciting. That's what I'm saying. You'd be people come over and look at piranhas in like an awesome fish tank. I think that's a sort of a Jimmy Johnson type thing. I'd be interested to dive deeper into the connection between professional athletes and aggressive pets. Because it takes an aggressiveness sometimes to

excel in a sport like football. But you see so many athletes, if you get in a dog, they're getting a Rottweiler or a pit bull. You don't see him ever getting a poodle. Smells like a long form. I don't know if our features editor, Ali Bon Purry, still listen to the show. But I think this has a Wes Longform. I mean, Ali's welcome to write it.

It's time, Wes. And the first reply, by the way, to this tweet is from some dude name Isaiah. Bro, please don't get eight. We need you. And then Cole Wright, our own Cole Wright. Did he mean Eaton? He just said eight, man.

Like the number eight or 18? He spelled the ATE. And Cole Wright chimes in, alligator, man. Decisive. Cole had a take. Cool. Big on the alligator. You know what ever happened to cats?

That'd be pretty lit. Just get a cat. Safer. Attempted that this past season. Did not go well. Cats not lit, though. Far from lit. I would say piranhas to be safe.

You don't, you know, what is the upside of having an alibi? Parada is to be safe. I just think an alligator. There's no upside to eat. Either one of them. They're terrible. Pranhas, upside to piranas, I think. If you've got a cool house.

Right. And if you have a badass tank, like in your foyer, these men have foyer. Great talking point. To anyone, whoever walks in your home. Alligator, it's like, oh, suddenly it's not in its little cage by someone's bed. Where is it? We're screwed. Your whole day, your whole day looking at this thing.

It's a talking point. Yeah, you walk in, whoa, are these piranhas? And then he's like, yeah, man, like, I was connected with piranhas. There's a pack. and they attack and they're fearsome. And then it's like, oh, I get this guy. But if you got an alligator that you have to hide it in like a back shed in your garage or your backyard? Now it's three times bigger and it just ate your lit cat.

No. Cats aren't lit. All right. That's it for today's show. We will be back. Oh, little housekeeping. We are going to the owner's meetings. We're flying out on Friday.

So how about that? And we're going to do two shows. From Orlando, we're going to talk with some general managers and some head coaches. Oh, don't, um, don't bury the lead. We are buying the Carolina Panthers, the four of us. It's happening. Right after. That's why we're, we're going.

We couldn't even afford season tickets to the Carolina Panthers. So that will be coming up next week. We will have, I guess, one more show this week. We won't have a show Friday, so we'll be traveling. So we'll be back on Wednesday. But until then. One quick note. So, congrats to our friend from the fantasy circle, no longer with the company, but Matt Franciscovich got married over the weekend to a young lady named McKenzie Reynolds, assuming he knew her previous to the weekend.

I like that he gave her name. McKenzie Reynolds, congratulations on your marriage to Matt Franciscovich. Franchise. The franchise, a very good guy. All right, that's it. Stan Hanz is signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss. Money bag. Biggs.

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