NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jets-Patriots TNF Recap and Diving Deep on the Saints

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Dave Dameshek to recap Aaron Rodgers and the Jets beating the Patriots on Thursday Night Football. The guys open the show by discussing Rodgers' play (02:55) and tell you reasons to believe in the Jets (13:12). Dave and Gregg also discuss what to take away from teams after three games (17:10) and have a chat about Dave's Steelers and their upcoming game against the Chargers (31:20). After the break, Gregg is joined by Adam and Ryan from the Saints Block Party Podcast for a deep dive into Derek Carr and the Saints (41:11), where they try to decide if the Saints are for real this season.  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a happy night in Midlife Stadium, a blowout. I mean, it was 24 to 3 New York Jets over the Patriots, and that score flatters the Patriots. It was such a blowout. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I am so delighted to be joined on this Monday night, or Thursday night, rather, for the recap, with my friend, the great Dave Damashek.

Check, I'm sorry I didn't, you know, deliver a better game for you. My hometown Patriots gave up a stinker, for our recap. Listen, so far your performance has been noble. I, you know, this must be just a sea of emotions for you to take in here. And I know you're a pro's pro, but boy, oh boy, AFC East specific, when was the last time the Patriots got it handed to them by a division foe like that? The only one that comes to mind is Drew Bledso's first game in Buffalo, 31-0, right?

Or was that 38-0-0? Well, I mean, the bills over the last. couple of years, if we'd want to count the Mac Jones era. I actually think the playoff loss to the bills when they somehow snuck into the playoffs, the fact that they didn't have a defensive stop and Bill Belichick is still the coach. That is somehow more embarrassing. But to your point, Shaq, this was the first 20-point lead the Jets had at any point. And of course, they finished it out with a 21.1. Since the first Belichick year, 2000 against the Jets. I mean, it is.

20-point lead against any human beings you're talking about? Against the Patriots. No, against the Patriots. I'm going to say, is that? I mean, the Patriots had won 15 straight until last December. That was the moment where you knew it was really over for Belichick, where his seven-and-a-half-year winning streak over the Jets ended in some meaningless December game.

But yeah, it was, it's a tough night if you're a Patriots fan who expected a lot out of this season, but I got to say my emotions, but at least before Drake May comes in, are pretty in check. I'm trying to actually feel more about this Patriots team, but I watch this game, and I, I'm a generous guy, and I think, okay, the Jets are going to be part of this season. They're going to be in prime time a lot. That's the takeaway here, that, like, Aaron Rogers is going to be a real dude.

He started to show it in the second half of that Titans game, and he was awesome tonight. I mean, I think if you're a Jets fan, your optimism is suddenly boundless all through the game now, as, as Herb Street said towards the end of it, every time he takes off, you hold your breath. I'm assuming if you're a Jets fan, he's a 40-year-old man, after all. And when he did try to take off a year ago, we know what happened. But he looked good doing that.

He looked good bouncing the pocket. He looked good throwing outside the pocket. He looked good hanging in the pocket and delivering it. I mean, I don't know what there is to be sad about. Morgan Moses is not a small absence if he's down for any amount of time. And I'm guessing he is. but they did use that first round pick on a tackle. So I guess they're in good shape there.

Mike Williams looked pretty nice there. Yeah, I, you know, listen, the one thing I have cautioned fans all through the offseason against doing is assuming a team is going to be good because they had a high-end defense a year ago. Sort of mysterious why defenses don't travel from season to season, but it is not a dependable thing to say, well, the Jets obviously are going to be good because they had that great defense a year ago. But tonight at least against poor Jacoby Brissette, they looked like the real DLT.

What weren't they doing well? They were running the ball nicely. So, yeah, I guess they announced themselves. And now when you marry it up and you look around their neighborhood, specifically the AFC East, Tua being down, you assume that the dolphins are now rendered probably irrelevant for the next month or six weeks. And by the time they come up for air, it may be too late.

So we're already maybe in a two-horse race in the east. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. Like, it's such a long season. And I know my dad is watching this game and he was really disappointed. And I get it. I thought the Patriots would be competitive in this game. I thought they'd cover the six. But you can sometimes get a little foolish.

These first few weeks can be fools gold. They were very competitive, really played two solid teams, Bengals and Seahawks, even for two weeks. But as the season truly emerges, the real team start to show themselves. And what I thought we saw tonight was, okay, Aaron Rogers is going to be back, back. You mentioned it. So the first couple of games, he played well enough. And in the second half of that Titans game, I thought he made some electric throws on third down, some tough throws. Garrett Wilson had one might not moving though, right? Yeah, not moving. That's, yeah,

that's what I'm getting to, too, is that he wasn't moving around. Tonight, you mentioned it. Five for five on throws on the run. Seven for eight on pass. under pressure, according to next-gen stats. And these weren't all short passes. That was for 78 yards. The throws on the run were for 60. Now, there was literally nothing down the field. He didn't try a throw over 20 yards.

And there weren't that many over 10. So they're still kind of building up what this offense is going to be. But he looked fantastic. Our friend Nate Tice sent out a stat. I don't know. Does he have like a main line to the next-gen stats researchers or something? Because he had a stat that said that he's had the most sprinting. he's had in a game since 2018, and they defined sprint as running 12 miles an hour or more.

And that passed the eye test. He was kind of running all over the place. He actually has taken a number of big hits this year, which is a little worrisome if you're a Jets fan. He took a few sacks. But he looked good out there. He looked like, if not old Aaron Rogers, than at least 36, 37-year-old Darren Rogers, who was still a very effective, one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

And you said it. Jets fans can feel about as optimistic as they've been since I don't even know when. Was there ever a moment in like the Sam Darnold era that even had a real optimism? I don't think so. So this is about his first game on. Right. Since they've signed Aaron Rogers. But in terms of an on-field moment, it's the most optimistic they've been since they were in the playoffs with Rex Ryan. I was going to say maybe since Vinny Testa Verdi or maybe a Chad Pennington year squeezed in there somewhere.

I mean, they did trash Tom Brady, who was a one-seed in Foxborough. So it's tough to get a better feeling. That was a good one. That was a pretty good one. I mean, first of all, to answer why Aaron Rogers didn't throw deep to high safeties, it's a plague that we must rule out of football going forward. I don't know if you heard that that's the new big idea. Are you being serious right now?

Yeah, because Mel Kiper said we got to get rid of that. By the way, I kind of check the next-gen stats number. Now I realize how you can check live. And, like, neither of these teams were playing too high safety that much in this game for what it's worth. Look who's still learning. Every day, it's getting better, everybody. That's a lesson for all of us out there. If the boss can do it, we all can.

Yeah, Rogers didn't throw deep a ton, but I don't know if you caught, if you were looking at the game at this time. I know you and your boy were trying to drink in at least a little bit of it. I was watching the whole game. What kind of? No, no, no. I know you're watching it, but I don't know if you're the, oh, that's a penalty. so I don't need to pay attention. But he uncorked the deep ball to Mike Williams early on

that got called back for holding and Mike Williams didn't catch it in the end zone. But it was a laser from about 50 yards out. And it was and it hit Williams in the hands. He kind of missed timed his jump. And it was a moot point anyway because like I say, it was a holding call. But man, from that point on, it was like, oh, my God,

he's throwing on the run and he's delivering a ball like that. Yeah, listen. my cynicism with Rogers it has been owed to like we've talked about any number of times now over the last guy the evidence for 40 plus

40 year old QBs plus is Tom Brady at 45 when in the Super Bowl Brett Fav in that one great Viking season in which he was 40 and Warren Moon had a good season for the Seahawks when he was 41 and that's it.

That's all the evidence that exists about human beings over 40 doing well at quarterback. So he's really bucking a trend here. But I think, like you say, for six quarters at least now, you have reason to get excited if you're a Jets fan, eh? Yes. And we're doing this live on YouTube. We're going to try to do it every Thursday night. So come join us right after the game. You know, now I'm like, I almost feel like Al Michaels. I'm rooting for good games at the end so that we can have a nice audience after. Because with this stinker on the East Coast, I mean, I know Patriots fans aren't watching this. And maybe Jets fans are.

But it's late there. Yeah, we have a viewer that says that had to be the most satisfying win in the last decade for the Jets. I agree. I also like that the very first comment, Dave Damashik, on this stream, was telling you to bring back the NFL. Yes, if you're a new fan of Dave Damashik, you got to check out the minus three, the great podcast he's doing. But yeah, he's an old friend who helped get our around the NFL podcast off the ground and does great work. and yes, had a great, I wouldn't call it a bit, a series at the NFL, the NFFL. And what if this wouldn't have happened? Maybe we say, what if Rogers didn't tear his Achilles last year? What would have that season looked like? That's a very fun one. The one that I have worked out legitimately, the two that are fascinating to me and related to some degree to 2024, but obviously Rogers is intriguing forever. is going back a couple of years, the 2018 first round,

the Jacksonville Jaguars high on their own 2017 product decided, hey, we almost made the Super Bowl with Blake Bordles. We were able to hide him and dominate defensively. Let's run it back. There was a guy named Lamar Jackson sitting there that they could have drafted. But they said, no, no, we have the formula. Look at what our first round QB, Blake Borders. was able to do so they turned their nose up at Lamar Jackson in favor of it's a great

trivia question do you know who they drafted instead of Lamar Jackson the Jags in the first round of 2018 it's a it's an immortal name taven brian oh i was gonna say calivan chase on or something because they they had a bunch of first round bus uh over those years yeah that that's a rough one uh one of our viewers josh lansky says Dave has zero idea what jive actually means which which makes me life. Jive is a rangy word. You know, it's one of our rangiest words in the English language because you can jive talk somebody, but, you know, you can be a jive turkey. Um, you know, there's a, there's a, you can talk jive. I mean, it's got a lot of application. I think you know what it means. I'm with you. And yeah,

when throwing it back to that Lamar Jackson draft, just for a second, there were a lot of rumors that, you know, Patriots were very high on Lamar Jackson. Bill Bowen, Chuck loves the idea of this running quarterback Lamar Jackson. And they had a chance to draft him at the very end of that round. And instead, they took Lawrence Moroni. No. No, you almost got it. They took Sony Michelle.

There you go. Wrong first round running back from the Patriots. And you know what? Sony Michelle did have the best four-game stretch of his career in a Super Bowl championship run as a rookie. So you can't say it was totally useless. But yes, I think about that. You know, Dave loves his history. I will always say that.

I will always stand up for Sony Michelle and Patriots fans who wring their hands. We should have taken Nick Chubb. And of course, you should have taken Nick Chubb who was taken early in the second round. I mean, you were outsmarted by the Browns. Not great. Not great.

Let's talk Jets. Okay, but Sony, Michelle, I will say, Jets fans. Sony Michelle is exactly right. You're right. But I will say, Sony, Michelle, I don't know if the Patriots win the Super Bowl without Sony Michelle's performance.

I agree with you. I always stood by that. Sony Michelle two-time Super Bowl champion also helped the Rams out in a random career. All right. So the Jets like you're looking forward on their schedule. They got that Vikings game in London, which is shaping up as a really fun one. And one of the reasons why I do believe in this team as a playoff type of team now that I've seen Rogers. I was on the fence because I just wanted to see it. I didn't know if he would come out looking like Kirk Cousins has kind of looked so far. I just, you just didn't know. I wanted to see it because of what Dave said about the 40-year-old quarterbacks

and whether the offense would make sense. And now I feel like I've seen enough that they're getting into gear. And a lot of the reason I have faith, not just because you mentioned the defense, because we'll see against better opponents, their pass rush. They really cooked up the Patriots tonight with a good scheme where they blitzed like crazy going way against types. I think they said it was almost a 40% blitz rate, which is, I believe, the highest of the entire Robert Salah era.

and the Patriots offensive line stinks. They are the worst offensive line in the league. They were on their third string left tackle by the end of the game. Their right tackle, who they gave monster money to to play right guard because he's one of the best right guards in the league. And then they say, we're just going to leave him at its good position. A week before the season, they panic, and then they put him over at right tackle. And he's struggling at right tackle this year.

That's a one you. So it was just a mismatch. Good job by the Jets. We'll see against better offensive competition. You know, we'll see. I'm not sure. But the reason I think they got a chance to go far and at least make the playoffs, I talked to my friend Matt Casey tonight.

What are his hopes? He said, give me a playoff win. Like, that would be a successful season. I think they could do that because, Dave, they got some other weapons. Lazard looks like Packers Lazard when it's Aaron Rogers on the field. Brise Hall, we know he's a good player. They've run the ball pretty well the last couple weeks. But this kid, Braylon Allen, I don't know how big is he.

Is he 240 pounds or something? He seems a moose, right? I think he is 240. I'm not sure that Brees Hall is any better as just a pure running back. He's a better player because he's so good in the receiving game and he's faster. He'll hit bigger plays. But if you're telling me the game's on the line right now, I have almost seen enough with Braylon Allen and you need five yards.

I might give the ball to Braylon Allen. Both these guys are dynamite. And he's looked really good the first three weeks. And I didn't know who he was two months ago, really. he was just a random late round draft pick. And I think that's why you've got to watch more college football, the boss. I know you're so focused in on your proletal. I mean, I knew him, but I didn't know when the who's going to pop.

Who's not going to pop? Well, don't forget, too, that that zero he wears a slimming. If he wore a regular number, he would look even heftier than he already does. It's an optical illusion that you see that O on him and you think, oh, he's sort of a slender fella. He's a, he's a load, thunder and lightning indeed. Um, yeah, I think the schedule makers, you know, the football got sort of smiled on the Jets a little bit because after that, you know, really miserable week one matchup, that even that was kind of like, hey, Aaron Rogers, here's your homecoming to start the season. Um, I think it sets up for them to be in a real good, a real good spot about a third of the way through the season before things really get tougher for them. So, you know, I, I don't think they're going to go undefeated between here and say week seven, eight. But, um, You know, they should be in, in pretty good shape in the playoff chase at least. If you're, I don't think if you're the Jets, obviously you're seeding the division at this point

to the Bills, you know, it's funny to me, a week. What are you saying? No, yeah, there's no way. Like, those are two good teams. That's why I kind of enjoyed tonight, just thinking, okay, the Jets are going to be part of this season. Those Jets, Bill's games will be big. All the primetime games, they have the Jets.

And it's like, okay, they're going to be in the mix. I don't know if they're going to be a three seed or an eight, you know, 17, but they're going to be in the mix. They're going to be fun. I will say that, so you say you don't know how much the Jets pass rush tonight carries over, you know, the rest of the season. I think what it really does, and I'm not trying to be a creep to you, I think through three weeks now, all of a sudden, the good vibes around dumping the bungals to start the season and all of that. I think that's a distant memory because that felt like the Jets figured out what has been sort of empirically clear is that the, Patriots O line ain't good.

Like, just blitz them up real good. There's not going to be any answer. I feel like they're going to, it's not going to be a fun watch the rest of the way. But it's a redshirt season. So it's Drake May and all that. And if you see some positive signs, that may be enough for you in 2024. But yeah, we're in this funny place. And I always say, watch out for week three.

That's where some results that seem completely out of whack happen. because we think we know way more than we do right now. You get that 60 minutes of evidence and then you think you know everything about everything and you're like, maybe the team they just destroyed stinks. Maybe the other team's going to be in the Super Bowl and maybe you shouldn't be too down. Then you get two weeks and now you really think you know.

Oh, well, they're two and oh or they're oh and two. Now they're solved. I think where the bills are concerned, this is a big one for me. I'm interested to see what sort of shape the bills are in for 2024. I don't think all answers are settled. They're young, obviously, in a lot of places, too. But I do think that there are some, you know, the two games I circled, not that you

asked, but I think Detroit at Arizona, a lot of people are going to react to that. A lot of people are going to be on the Cardinals because of the way they've looked earlier this year. Spoiler alert, I think the lines are going to go in there and beat them up and truck them a little bit. But the Jags, all of a sudden, you know it's not a must-win game for me because they are going to play the rest of the season almost certainly even if they lose it. But imagine that. The Jags, the Jags lose in Buffalo and they're 0 and 3. And in that division, which you thought

like that maybe the competition won't be that great. The Texans and the Jags will battle it out. But I don't think it's not, there's no punchline in that division. If they fall to 0 and 3, that's it for Trevor Lawrence. And then it begs the question, you know, you could say that quarterback is the one you should draft in this QB class over that guy. and they're not always right about that. And generally, the scouts collectively come down on the right guy. But, I mean, in my lifetime, John Elway can't miss, Peyton Manning, can't miss, Andrew Luck, can't miss.

Troy Aikman was also one of those guys, can't miss. None of them missed. But now the last, I miss Andrew, I skip Andrew Luck. Now Trevor Lawrence and Bryce Young, what gives scouting community? No, no. Okay, let's hold off. First of all, Bryce Young was never in that category in terms of the analyst. I don't think so. And then Trevor Lawrence, you're right, pretty much got that. I personally never quite got there with Trevor Lawrence. Like I came into this draft saying since I've done

this, I think Caleb would be number two or number one, depending on who you want to trust. And in terms of like the consensus and what I think and what everyone thinks in terms of the best QB prospects to come out in the last 20 years. It would be luck and probably Caleb, too. And you're right. For most people, it seems like it was maybe Lawrence 3. I never totally got there. And yeah, there might be something missing.

But you might be right. And this is why I like having to check on the recap. You never know what we're going to end up talking about. It's a 24 to 3 game. And we're veering off into Jags territory. It's one week. Like if the Jags pull off an upset in Buffalo, Buffalo was my Super Bowl pick this year to win it all.

I just thought sometimes it's the years you don't see coming, and I feel like Josh Allen's at the perfect time in his career with the perfect offensive line. And in the long run, I'm going to trust them, whether they lose this week against the Jags or not. You're right, those 0 and 2 teams. I picked almost all the 0.2 teams that had a reasonable chance to win this week, to either win or to cover.

Me too. By the way, I was big on the Falcons based on the math I'm talking about. like, oh, the Falcons overrated, Kirk Cousins, Cook. Like, they just played a great defense down there that is, that approaches every game with the intent of winning at 12 to 11. Don't overreact to what the Falcons looked like in week one. They're going to beat the Eagles up there. And so they did.

And they're going to beat the Chiefs again, too. I can see that. I don't think it'll happen, but the Chiefs haven't really been the Chiefs so far, 18th and DVOA, a little weird. Let's stick a pin in it right there. We're going to take a quick break. and we'll be back to talk a little more Jets Patriots after this. What's up, everybody?

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about this game tonight too like look it's also one game this was a thursday night game on the road short week patriots are a limited team like they i think teams play to their level in over the long run and i think they had a great game plan week one showed that they could be really cohesive and smart on defense they have a lot of tough smart players that have been there a long time they're kind of greater than the sum of their parts they do a lot of confusing things that can mess up quarterbacks, but not quarterbacks like Aaron Rogers. Week two, they play the Seahawks pretty much to a standstill. I thought looked like an even team. To me, those were like two A-minus games from a team. And no matter what team you are, you're probably not going to play

three straight of those. And so you got like the D, the D-D-minus game out of them tonight. And that averages out to what they really are. They're somewhere in between. They're not as good as they were the first two weeks. I think some weeks, they'll have good game plans on defense. And they have enough defensive players, if they can stay healthy enough, that they'll create problems. The offensive line, though, is so bad that most weeks with this schedule, it's going to be an uphill battle. So they had a couple injuries tonight, too. Keon White left this game at one point. Anthony Jennings, who's a good linebacker for them, left this game at one point. Gibral Peppers left this game. Keon White, who had a bunch of quick pressures in this game,

has been their best player, I would say, on defense. Overall, him and Christian Gonzalez, like if if they're missing their premier players christian barmore's had a blood clots like it's not going to be pretty they're not that good on defense they can give up 400 yards to a team like the jets and and they did and then suddenly you're you're one of the worst teams in the NFL because you have no passing game whatsoever and that that's the team they were tonight so it's going to be you're right the the feel good story that they had I think is especially disappointing defensively because I don't know if you like to watch the

Prime Vision Dave but my boy Walker loves the Prime Vision loves the numbers loves the view loves the names are on the screen and when you're watching on the Prime Vision you can just see how like Aaron Rogers he's calling those plays out there he knows what the Patriots are doing before they're doing it he's changing it if it's man he knows who it's going to

if it's Zoni knows who it's going to and when it was man there three guys open every play. I was like, oh, why didn't he throw to him? Oh, well, then the 17 yards to him. Why didn't he throw to him? And he knew it. Like, they didn't know what they were doing in. And when it was, man, he would just throw it to Garrett Wilson. And it didn't work actually that efficiently. I think Garrett Wilson had nine targets. And he had the great touchdown, but only 30-something yards. He's been a little slow. But I think that's because he's playing against one of the better cornerbacks in the league. I think Christian Gonzalez is that good. He's a special

young player. But other than that, they don't have much. It's going to be a long sees it. I thought Drake May was going to come into this game and make me feel better. But now you don't want him in the game, do you? You don't want him to be taking the hammer. I don't care. I guess I'm someone that's just like this, I don't care about this team until he plays really. It's like, I just want to see. He's the only, to me, I'm kind of happy because they have a quarterback. Like, I think he's going to be great in a long run. So he's the only thing I care about in this team and that the coach maybe is good long term. So I would just, just play him. I don't care if it goes poorly. How much poor or poorly is it going to go?

Listen, you can make yourself crazy watching pro football. You can spook yourself at the end of every play. It feels like maybe I've just watched too much football over the years, but you can kind of talk yourself into every collision being like, oh, I hope that's not a season ender for this guy. And that's what I'm talking about. But it's heightened with Rogers, given the way he went out at the start of last season. But the combustibility now extends beyond just, you know, his age and everything and the way he plays or at least always has played. And it looks like based on tonight, that's why he's going to play.

The two things that stand out to me, it was an anomalous performance as everybody's been talking about. There's not much offense in pro football so far this season outside of Kyler Murray, you know, against the Rams and then the shootout with the bills. week one and um ditos look pretty good but yeah there's some there's some but for the most part the defense is winning which is not something that's the thing that kind of stands out usually offenses win the first half of an NFL season and then the defenses rise up they're ahead of schedule are these defenses dominating teams here so um so that's something to watch but

the other one is like i say with the combustibility of it is and i'm not i'm not being a hate or anything some people get this they they get themselves into a position where that if you insult them, they have people who jump back on you. Why do you hate him so much? I'm not hating Aaron Rogers to point this out. That shove with Bob Salah was a little weird. Wasn't that a little weird? I'm glad you brought this up. If you guys want to check out the YouTube show, we're there, like, subscribe. If not, we're just going to talk about it. But play it. Eric behind the glass has the video of it. And yes, it was Salah looking for a hug. But Rogers putting his two hands on Salah's chest and then saying something very sharp and giving him a sharp

glare that, uh, I don't know what's going. I mean, he gave him a literal shove his head coach. And whole, well, I thought, I thought even worse was if I glared at you like that, you would be in, in any situation, be like, what the hell, man? What, what, what, what do you want, you, you want to go? Like, I mean, why, why are you looking at me like that? Holding the glare as he walks away. Like, who do you think we are? We're. We're. platonic friends, man. We're not like that. Like, I don't see you like that, Bob. Like, what, that was super weird and emasculating for the head coach. And this is at least now, what, the second time that publicly that Rogers has kind of shown up as head coach,

like, yeah, I'm going to Egypt. It's more important to me. And then Bob Sala has to clean up the mess. Like, we talked about it, but he's a suspended. It's just not, it's not a, it's not optimal. I wouldn't think, right? No. And I thought, you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick on the half time show for Amazon made a comment about it, just like, I'm sure Mike McCarthy is watching this in LaFleur and they're just like, yeah, that kind of seems like familiar. Old competitive Rogers just like he's at a point in his life. Right. I mean, he's at a point in his life where he picked the coordinator and he's got the offense that he's wanting. He's calling the plays. And I don't know what that was about. And they'll chalk it up. I'm sure to it's, it's in the

heat of the moment. And I don't know. It's just strange. Can you imagine any other, I can't imagine many other starting quarterbacks doing that to their head coach in a big spot. I can see coaches doing it and quarterbacks getting into a rift. You know, we've seen stuff like that happen in football or the big baseball star in the dugout with the skipper. Otherwise, when you don't see it is after your team scores a touchdown. That's what's weird about it. It's sort of, as I tweeted, it really is sort of like an inversion of Ali's thing, we, not me is like, it really is like, no, no, me, not we. Let's not get this twisting, Bob Salah. If the jets go anywhere this year, I'm the guy. You're just a passenger

along for the ride. You, you and Douglas screwed up that whole thing with Reddick, and I'm trying to overcome this. By the way, that's a weird spot. too. Both of those guys have to put up with any of it because they know that Rogers is either going to save their job or they're going to get kicked out the door. Okay. So one of our viewers, Rick Shelton said, lip readers thought he said too early, which kind of makes sense. Like, that Sala was like over celebrating. And, you know, Shelton also points out, but the glare is wild. So it's a, it is a strange reaction, but that is a, that makes sense to me. It's just like, All right, let's calm down, Bob.

It's the second quarter here in week three. Let's listen to Robert Sala. I believe we actually have sound of Robert Sala talking about it after the game. What happened in the second quarter? It looked like you went up and tried to give Aaron Rogers a hug there. Oh. Yeah, he, you know, part of the things that we'd been talking about is to just get the defense of two-score lead. And it was two-score lead.

So I guess it was he just wanted to see something on defense. So he wasn't ready for that question. So pathetic. That was so nervous. He's the head coach of a pro football team. He has to put up with this. He has to be emasculated like this. Shame the devil.

I love it. All right. The Jets get to two and one and they're feeling great. And yeah, you mentioned Morgan Moses. We'll see it was announced as a knee injury. I didn't even mention when I was seeing the offensive weapon. They really like Tyler Conklin. He had a big night at tight end.

He was their leading receiver by far. So just the secondary was awesome. I mean, you can put these guys in man coverage against receivers like the Patriots. They're just going to shut them down. An awesome night for the Jets. I think they kind of announced they are going to be a big part of this 2024 season, if we didn't believe it before. Before I say goodbye to you, Sheck.

Let's have the comment. Chris Green says Dave Steelers are going to get cooked on Sunday. I got to say this was maybe the toughest game for me to pick. of the weekend, Chargers, Steelers, kind of mirror images, except the Steelers can't actually run the ball at all, and the Chargers can't. And one has Justin Herbert,

and the other has Justin Fields. I know Herbert's a little banged up, but you know, which Justin, would you rather have some? I'm leaning Chargers, and yet this Steelers team is pretty frisky. They very well might have the best defense in the entire NFL. And in this year, maybe that's actually a recipe if your offense is okay to get like a four-seat or something, win a division.

Like, it's possible if they're that good. To me, that's their only route to being that good is the defense has to be the best one Tomlin's had in a decade or so. Funny to say that pretty close to what I was saying for the last couple of months. I predicted and got a little bit of pushback from some of my pals, beat guys with the Steelers, but floated the idea that I think that this is. Tomlin, I think, got a little over his skis on more than one occasion. going into a season with where the defense was and how much he could ride it over the course

of a season. I think this is it. This is the best defense they've had since 2017, which is really saying something since Shazir went down. I don't really see a flaw out there if they can hold up at the second corner. I got one maybe. Patrick Queen's been bad through two weeks. He seems like a problem.

They give him a lot of money. The linebackers will see. But you're right. The rest of the team's dynamite, not to butt in and give you money. I do think they have a, I do think that they have a fail-safe, Alan Roberts isn't a guy who could be every down out there, but they, you know, they have pieces on the interior that make them better, at least than where they've been in the last half decade or so.

The thing that people said is a hot take from me is I still think T.J. Watt is one of the five best non-quarterbacks in the league of Jenga piece, if there is one. Jenga theory, of course, is if you remove the wrong piece from the equation, the whole thing will implode on you. Got to have you, by the way, I got to have you on my show so we can do that. I want to go through the Jenga pieces as they stay. It's a satisfying conversation, I always feel. T.J. Watt may be that, one of the five best non-QBs in the league, most impactful.

But I think the jenga piece for the Steelers this year is Joey Porter, because if he goes down, they're doomed. I think they're better equipped to survive T.J. Watson down for three or four weeks than they are JPJ. and look at that, you know, I've been proven right at least through two weeks. He erased Drake London and then did the same to Cortland Sutton last week. And I think a lot of people, again, like I was saying, people reacted to, boy, this Falcon's offense isn't as good as we thought it was. Well, Drake London was a zero in week one because Joey Porter Jr. eliminated him. So by that logic, if he is on Quentin Johnson, which he's going to be,

and he eliminates him, where exactly is Justin Herbert going? with the ball. Ladd McConkey is nice, but he's a rookie. So I think that's a factor. And the thing with the Steelers is, and the debate has rolled on since literally 32 seconds after the Steelers got Russell Wilson and then a couple days later. The debate should be over. I mean, the guy can't even get healthy. What's the point? Are you kidding? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no. It's the other way. The collective wisdom from the banks of the Three Rivers, the people watching practice every day is, Oh, no, it's going to be Russ eventually. I hope that's not the case.

I don't think that's the smart play. But the bottom line... He can't even get on the field. He came back onto the field and he lasted two practices before he, like, re-aggravated it. Meanwhile, Justin Fields is out there doing... Making winning plays. It's over.

It's over, Russell, people. I think so, too. But, you know, I think we are going to see him because, as I've told you before, I think Mike Tomlin is one of the three or four best coaches in pro football. I also think he's able to achieve that status despite not being a QB whisper. How many guys who are at the high end of the

head coaching ranks that really don't manage quarterbacks well? He got off pretty easy because he had Rathusberger for such a long stretch, but since then it's really been sideways more than one time. I think the debate with Justin Fields, my question is ongoing with anybody who says it's got to be Russ. Like, what is it from Russ that you think he does so well that offsets what Justin Fields does that Russ can't do. He has, I don't want to have a Russ Wilson at 36 conversation. Let's end it.

I will. No, no, no. 27 more minutes, then we're done. The thing that people keep trying to talk their way around is Justin Fields, Russell Wilson, or Greg Rosenthal, how are you going to throw the ball to somebody when you have a collection of past catchers, none of whom can separate? Not a one of them out there can create any separation.

So what are you doing? I mean, like, you're going to have a very hard time on third and sixes if you don't have Deonté Johnson, who was always open or someone like that. Maybe it'll be Roman Wilson if he gets out there. But again, he's a rookie. I'm going to take the Steelers narrowly here, home debut, all of that. I'm taking the chargers. If Herbert's healthy enough to play, I assume he'll be.

Okay, $11,000, let's bet on it. $11,000, right now. I am not allowed to do anything of the sort. A kid? One of one of our kids? No, I can't do it through them either. It's been a thin slice of heaven there here, Dave. We'll wrap this up with one more comment from the YouTube commentary. As a Vikings fan, this is from Haldal Berries.

I like Rogers so much now that he doesn't play for the Packers. Yeah, I heard a stat. And I got to say, I don't like Rogers, you know, the character. But I do like watching him play football. and I like him in the mix. He adds a fun, even if it's a little villainous, it's fun having him back in the mix. This game is built by their quarterbacks,

and we need more good ones. So I was happy to see him out there. I agree with that. Yeah, I saw a stat that the Patriots had won, I believe, 20 out of 23 against the Jets. The only team that had that big of a run in the last, like, two decades was Packers and Bears, with Aaron Rogers beating up on the bears that whole time.

And now here he is. Coincident. He is very fun with those sidearm throws that he makes from down here. He is a distinctive to your eye. If you shot him in silhouette, it would only be him. You couldn't confuse him with anybody else because the nature with which he, you know, 2010, I'd said that best quarterback I've ever seen in my life. Well, I was going to say, I still think at his peak, 2010, and then what was the,

other mid-2014, 2011 and 2014, where it's too high in here. Yeah, the 2014 and the 2010 type, like, Mahomes is there, is right there for me. It's hard for me to separate, but to me, that was the peak of quarterbacking that I've seen. I wouldn't say he's had as good a career, obviously, as Brady, and I think Mahomes is already, you know, having the best career ever, but just in terms of just pure brilliance peak play, and he's doing everything. It's his offense, his scheme, and he's doing it again. And I'm extending it further now.

A couple more I have to throw out. Payton Manning always gets a shout out for the one year he had in Denver. I think it was his second year. There was it, or maybe it was his first one, statistically, at least. The one who doesn't get the shout out is the 15-1 MVP throwing the ball, the Philly Brown and otherwise. Cam Newton. That was a special year that was wild, given how he performed over his underrated

the majority of his underrated career, although he may now be back, and the other one, because I'm older than you that I have to mention is Dan Marino in 84. That's the standard. That was a different time when the rules did not favor offense,

and it was, just trust me on this, week in and week out, when you were watching it, it felt like, what the hell is this? Well, I mean, he's four or five touchdowns every week. There's a, Dan Fouts, move over, man.

This cat's where it's at with the perm. And I would tell everybody, oh, listen, we know all about this. Pittsburgh, PA, Danny Marina. Yeah, it statistically, I always said, like, he would be the only comp that Patrick Wellhomes has ever had for the start of his career. Yeah. Was Dan Marino.

I think you got to throw in Keenham, Case Keenham's Vikings year two. That's in the mix. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that one. Yes. But let's wrap it up. We're going to throw it to a break.

I appreciate you, Dave. I appreciate everyone who join us. This isn't actually the end of our show. The Saints are the team of the week, the team of the season. season so far. So I wanted to have a fun conversation with some friends of mine who do the Saints Block Party podcast. So after the break, we're going to hear from them. Also, you know, if you're into the Saints, we got a podcast off the edge with Cam Jordan at NFL Media. He's a great podcast, though. So check that out. Two, we'll take a quick break. We'll be back after. Thank you, Greg.

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let's go here we are here we are thank you for having us on Greg this is by far like the most bougiest podcast we've been on a guy at my door

just knocked and just offered me rosé his name was Theodore there's a concierge service in our ear right now. We don't know where we are. Okay. Let's be real. The Saints Black Party podcast would get it done for years. It used to be the Saints Twitter podcast. I've talked about it a lot on our show on around the NFL and on NFL Daily over the years. You guys crack me up. You have the best analysis from a fan perspective out there. So people should check it out. But we had you on this week because it's a little different week in Saints fandom. It's a little

different week. So let's just take you back to three weeks ago. Okay. Three weeks ago listening to your podcast, I don't know if you were still throwing out the hashtag Fire Dennis Allen that you had going last year, but we weren't too far from that. You guys are predicting like seven, eight wins for the season. You were definitely pretty down on Derek Carr, hashtag the agenda, talking about maybe Spencer Radler ends up playing this year and you're excited to see them. And then I'm listening to your recap show, as I do, from the last win over the Cowboys. And I'm hearing the number one offensive line in the league. I'm hearing, can we, can we start talking about Super Bowl? I'll break out my Adam impression here. It's like, can we start talking about the Super Bowl here, Ryan? You know,

that's my, my Adam impression. And I'm like, I got to get these dudes on the podcast because I've never seen a fan base flip so fast into just believe in everything. I'll start with, start with you, Ryan. Like, what happened here? And do we, is it almost like apology time here for Dennis Allen and Derek Carr? Hey, it might be. It might be. I mean, listen, all we asked from the very beginning was to show me, show me. We heard all the talk. They said all the right things. But we had to see evidence. All we could do is work off the data that we are presented with. And look, first two weeks, Dave showed us. And Saints fans are just dying for some good football. Good. Fun football that they can sit there on a Sunday.

Greg, you've been in New Orleans. You know how lit the city is when the Saints are winning and having a good time. That's all we want. And we're getting it right now. Yeah, what, like I surprised you the most? You were the one Adam that threw out there the number one offensive line in the league. That was where I was like, okay, these guys are going a little crazy. You were at Chili's like drinking margaritas or something after the game taping for the

it up, you know, that's dedication to the podcast. So maybe that's a little, that's getting over our skis a little bit, the number one offensive line in the league after two weeks. But like, what has you believe in? So I think Ryan has said it perfectly that this offense is, you know, the McMeadniews first season in Miami kind of took every defense by surprise. It was kind of, I want to say gimmicky. But the thing that gives us confidence that this could be sustaining for the Sinks team

is that the offensive line is dominating and winning at the point of attack. If you just take away all the ghost motion, all that things that Clint Kubiak is doing, this team is bullying teams. And Clint Kubiak has, he knows the weakness of this offensive line.

Pepper Penning, you can't ask Trevor Penning, who was maligned for seasons to just hold up in past protection time and time again in snap after snap. Buaga, who's played great at left tackle, he's still a rookie. So he has made it where they don't have to hold up very long in past protection.

He is assinuating their strength of the offensive line. This is a very, very athletic offensive line, and they're in space, they're moving. And maybe with a little bit of hyperbole, but if you just go and just watch the film, the offensive line, and Lucas Patrick, a revelation from the Bears who seems like they could probably use him right now, had just come in at left guard and is just bullying people on the interior.

So they're just playing bully ball, which when you're at, a defense and you're getting pushed back, that's hard for any defense to stop. And that's one thing that's a huge strength for the team that we did not see coming into this season. Yeah, but like, they're going to have to drop back and pass and pass protect. At some point, they can't just do this the whole time. But I'm with you. Like, you look at the strength of the team, Fuaga, people didn't think he was going to be a left tackle. And I know we're talking line right off the bat, but that to me has been the story. And then you got McCoy and Caesar Ruiz. Like, you guys have had your ups and downs.

That's why I like listen to your show. It's like, I'm getting the inside. scoop on the Caesar Ruiz career arc. And you've been pretty down on Caesar Ruiz at some points, but he ends up getting paid, Ryan. And then these dudes are just out there mashing people. And this week, you got the Eagles who haven't been able to stop anyone on the ground. Like, maybe they won't have to drop back and pass this week against the Eagles when you got McCoy and Ruiz just blowing holes open. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, what the Eagles are allowing, what, about 6.4 yards per carry. I mean, I would be looking my chops if I'm Clint Kubiak, if I'm the offensive line.

But like you say, I mean, it's the NFL, man. We only look at the games, you know, the last two games, but things change so quickly. But what gives me confidence with this team is, is, has been the execution. Like, it's just hat on a hat blocking and trying to dominate the guy in front of you. Even Crystal Lave, Juan Johnson, those guys, I don't know. out there blocking their butts off. So that's what gives me confidence. But like you said, they will reach a point at some point.

Maybe the defense gives up some points earlier, something like that, where they're going to have to drop back and pass. They're going to have to see how Derek Carr does, how the offensive line does. How Trevor Pritting does when you have to, you know, take a seven-step drop and, you know, hit your target downfield. And it's going to be interesting. I just can't wait to see because we're learning new things week to week. But you guys think when, when Derek's,

car hit that Michael Jackson move in the end zone. Was that the moment you thought? Okay, maybe we can go to the Super Bowl. So I was at the game. I think for me it was the, it was the she, maybe the Shihid player, the AK screen that like sprung for a touchdown. Because like I was in AT&T Stadium. I'm like, what is even going on right now?

Like, it felt like a, like a fever dream. But I want to add this point. And I want to give credit to Ryan because he was the one who had been advocating for this as soon as Clint Kubiak got hired is the utilization of Taysam Hill in the Cal U's check role in this offense. And I think what you're seeing is shout out to Matt Patricia, who doesn't even look like Matt Patricia anymore. I mean, know who that guy was that talked on that coaches podcast with Bill Belichick and Lombardi. But he made this astute point. No, he looks like not an extra on the Sopranos, but like the six the six dude at the table who just gets like two good lines. but you recognize his face.

Don't know who that is. Don't tell me that's Matt Patricia. That's not him. But he made this great point of teams don't really know defensive teams because they don't practice it in training camp. They don't really know how to defend 21 personnel anymore. And something that Kukubiak is doing is when Taysam Hills on the field, I don't know if defenses know what they identify him as.

And they don't know what the personnel is. Is it 21? If he's a tied in, is it, or sorry, is it 12? Is it 21? So it's baking the off. very multiple, and it's making the defense not know how to identify what may be coming at them. Right. And, like, where are you at, Ryan, with Derek Carr now?

Look, look, I've been there. We had to have him on around the NFL back in the day for him to unblock me. So I've had Derek Carr upset about at me too. And there is something about this Kubiak system where he's not making as many decisions. I heard this, you know, story of, it's like some people, like a Tom Brady, might think, oh, that's not real quarterbacking. But maybe not everyone can be Tom Brady. Not everyone can do the real quarterback.

And you must be loving life seeing this Kubiak offense, not asking Carr to do too, too much. But when he's asked to make big time throws, he is making those big time throws right now. Right, because when he was brought in, it was kind of sold as, hey, he's going to come in. He's going to be calling all the protections and diagnosing the defense at the line of scrimmage,

blah, blah, blah, blah. We saw, like, yes, it was with Pete Carmichael, But we saw he struggled with that last year. They obviously made the choice to real things back for him. Most of the work is done by Clint Kubiak and the coaching staff before the snap where all he has to do is go out there, go out there, execute the progressions, and hit the throw. And he's playing more confident. And that way, you know, even on the deeper throws, which we know, there's a lot of talk about his aggressiveness.

but when he's able to just go and execute, he's able to go out and do it confidently without getting happy feet, patting the ball like we've seen in the past. So I like this Derek Carr. I'm with it. I'm rolling week to week, man. I'm not, look, I'm rolling week to week,

and we'll see where it goes. Go ahead. You're making so many faces, Adam. I got to hear what. No, so my thing is even a, like, a Derek car point. I think mine is just like, I think the fundamental point its offense. And we were talking about this even before Clint Kubiak came, but especially when

he came is that you can't tell me potentially that the same impact that Kyle Shanahan had on Christian McCaffrey's career when he got traded from the Panthers to the 49ers, you can't tell us that something similar couldn't happen for AK in a similar system. And lo and behold, two weeks into the season, that same type of career renaissance that Christian McCaffrey had with the Niners, AK is having with the Saints but he just happens to be on the same team something that we're both excited about and hopefully potentially it could happen

if he like exists and he can get healthy is the addition underrated of what Kendrae Miller could actually be in this offense too. Okay, y'all overrate the potential impact of Kendra Miller because on your show you were like hey Ryan

you were saying this Adam like are we thinking about you know possibly making the Super Bowl here now? Do we got a chance? And Ryan's answer was like, if we get Kendrae Miller back, healthy, I'm like, this dude, if you're just hoping he's such a like a backup running back and average back, like, well, you guys are crazy. Like, what is he not that big of a deal? You say that now, but you're going to see because just the addition of another physical

running back that you could have. And juice, but more juice. You got Jamal Williams getting five yards per carry. Listen, exactly. Really, Jamon Williams is getting five yards of carry. Like, what is going on in this world? And look, I know you got to feel good because I remember you getting dunked on. I think you guys did like a top 10 running backs in the lead.

And you threw like Alvin Kamara in there and they're just donking on you. I'm like, I felt bad for my guy. I was like, you know, Greg is right, man. Al-Qamara is still good because it's still past the eye test. All he just needed was an offensive line to actually block for him in a scheme and a play caller to actually put him in position. and they're doing it right now. It's crazy because, yeah, you're right.

I think you're talking about that running back draft that took them last year. And then this year I've been saying it too. So you have your agenda, which has been put on hold, which is about Spencer Rattler getting some playing time at some point. My agenda for years has been, yeah, AK is better than the numbers show that they're letting them down. He's my favorite type of runner.

I think he's, we'll see. He needs to have a couple of big years, but he's going to have a Hall of Fame case someday because these running back numbers, they're just not the same as they used to be. But when I look at the last. seven, eight years, and I put who's been among the top three to five at his position, it's AK. And those guys make the Hall of Fame. And I was waiting because he's like Frank Gore to me where he's just so good on the

mental side of things. He's so good turning three into eight. And he's so good in the passing game. And he can do everything that you want. But when you're turning negative one into three or you're turning one into four, then the numbers don't look good. Yeah, he's not going to break the huge plays, although he did on Sunday when you were there in the stadium, Adam, on the reception.

But he's going to hit more like 15-yard gains, 10, 15, 20-yard games rather than being a true burner. But it's been a great year for my agenda. And you guys talk about his future. He's a free agent. That'll be interesting to watch. But, man, if they can keep Kubiak, he could have this career renaissance. The problem is, if I'm okay, I maybe wait until.

2025, I'd probably seeing Gary Kubiak on, I mean, not Gary Kubiak, Clint Kubiak on some other sideline. I would just follow him wherever he went. But we just, we're not even thinking about it. We just thinking about 2024 to see where this takes us because. I was going to say, is that, because this team's so weird, is that Adam, well, it's too early to even get into that. We're in, we're in, like, mid-September to even think about like this, this could be like a one-year bottle in time where you, it's this older team, DeMario Davis is older, Tymer and Matthew's older, obviously, and maybe your coordinator's not going to be there next year.

Carr, like, is having this magical year. It's a very much, like, live in the moment, live in the now type of year. Right. Think about, like, what Shanahan went to the Falcons. He had those two years with the Falcons, went to the Super Bowl this second year. Not saying that's what we're going to do,

but I'm just saying it was that one year of where everything was working, the offense was great, and then he went on to greater pastures. Might be something like that. We'll see. I think this team right now, has really re-emphasize a point that you made way back in the day on the round of NFL podcast. I think a lot of fans need to kind of heed is that every season, you said every season, there's only one team that wins the Super Bowl.

And sometimes just a exciting season for a team, even if they don't make it all the way, can be so incredibly, like, rewarding and entertaining and how to just enjoy that. So I have no idea what the end goal or end game of this team is going to be. But it's just so, like, surprising out of nowhere that as a fan, just really enjoying and relishing in it. That's it. Plus, it's good for business. You got, you're going to have more people, like, listening in on your live streams and stuff. Yeah, we started a podcast, like, right after, right when, you know, the buys of Drew Brees and Sean Peyton retiring.

It was just, there's some tough time. So we're enjoying this right now. Wait, Adam, you, how are you guys feeling about Sean Payton struggling? much in Denver. Like, what is, what is your honest opinion? Come on. I'm, I'm worried about me, bro. Like, honestly, like, I'm, hate, I mean, listen, I, I don't really have an opinion on it, because I'm just so focusing on, on, on, what are you a politician? I mean, give me a real, give me a real feeling. You got Pete Carmichael over there. You're probably liking that they look, they look like

The starting quarterback for the Saints is Derek Carr. Like, I've picked up on how to how to answer some things, Greg, like very, very diplomatically. Like, just, um, but that's, that's my, like, I don't have an, like, Ryan, do you have an opinion? Like, do you really care? Like, I mean, I just, I think, I think it'll work out. I don't know how well it'll work out, but like, it's going to take some time, man. I think, but it is interesting. I don't hate, like, Chaunpy like a lot of Saints fans do right now.

Why should you? Look what he gave you. But, yeah, but, you know, when they come to the dome in a couple of weeks, I'm hoping Coupier put that thing on them. That is a fun, fun matchup. Like, this Saints, you're always just looking for value ads. Like, when you lose a quarterback, like, Tua is not going to be in the lineup for a long time. He's on injured reserve. We'll see if he comes back.

It's like, that's a bummer because you just lose fun from out of my Sundays. When I'm watching that Seattle, Miami game Sunday, it's just like, man. So the best thing that can happen is when you add these surprise teams out of nowhere. And it's like, whoa, Saints Eagles is now my game. I want to watch more than any game on Sunday. It's not just because I like watching the Saints. You were saying, like, I know what it's like for New Orleans to be lit for the Saints. I mean, kind of.

I was there, you know, going to every game when it was Aaron Brooks and stuff. And they were eight and eight. And they were into it. But I did go to the opener the year after they won the Super Bowl. And that was absolutely crazy in New Orleans for a couple of days. That was like a Super Bowl, and that was week one. It was against the Packers. And that was for days, it was like the Super Bowl.

It was like Marty Gar and yeah, no team, I think, is as tight with their fans as that. Now that we've raised, I don't want to get into expectations because I appreciate what you said, Adam, about just enjoying it. And that's what fandom should be, like, just enjoy the ride. It really sticks with me that so many of my Celtics fans that I see around there, and that's probably the team I care about most. in the world now. They didn't even enjoy last season as it was happening. I was like, this team's going to win the, I think they're going to win. And if they didn't even enjoy it, they're just complained about little things.

And it's like, man, just enjoy it. Then at the end, when they win, they enjoy it. Like, enjoy the ride. Miserable. Right. And what is your, I know you don't want to get ahead of yourself, but just kind of like, what's success now for this team? Like at this point, they've shown enough to me that like, man, if they somehow didn't make

the playoffs, like that would be disappointed. We'll see what Tampa Bay's record's going to be. maybe it might take 11, 12 wins to win this division. We don't really know. But what, what, what's, what do you want? What's a successful season now? I think, like, realistically, a playoff win. Okay.

Yeah. Kind of, like, I think, going back to the Bucks, that Bucs season last year, where they won at NFC South, they beat the Eagles who was faltering and stood pretty toe to toe with the Lions, you know, for most of that game. Like, I think that would be viewed as. as a quote-unquote successful season. But before we wrap up, I feel like we were a little being a little dismissive. We talked about the offense.

I get some love to the Saints to Saints defense. Like we have not talked about them at all. Get into it. Give it to me. I've just, so you put a hit on in regards to kind of, you know, the Saints, you know, Super Bowl contenders and just this discussion. And you made the analogy that we made on Tuesday regarding, you know, the Miami defenses.

my counterpoint of that is that those Miami defenses did not have a defense as good as this St. defense is. Like that's the big counterpoint. Like if you're, if there's an argument that this team could maybe be playing, I don't know, the lions or the Niners in the NFC championship game, the defense is obviously going to be also a big,

big part of that. And there's a lot of things kind of clicking for this defense. And so they have a huge test against the Eagles. Like that's a big test. this is the biggest test that they have in terms of their run defense. We'll see if it's truly improved. It's probably the best offensive line run-wise that they've played up to this point. And that's a big

question because last year the run defense was not good. So, nope. Going to get Sequan and things like that, it's going to be a huge test for them on Sunday. I think it could get pushed around. I think this ego's offensive line is legit. I think it could be a higher scoring game than people realize Hertz is like a little off

in terms of in-rhythm throws, but they can mash. And I do worry a little bit. Ryan, that like, you know, Granderson, probably your best DL. And he's playing well. But like, is that a great defensive line? If Granderson's your best DL, DeMario Davis is still just plain awesome. Honey Badger looks like he's going to have one of those years. Like every three or four years, he just pops out with like a first team all pro year. And he might make the Hall of Fame because of it. He made an all decade team. Most of those guys make the Hall of Fame. But yeah, tell the listeners kind of what you think about this defense. Maybe

who's popping up that that's a little bit of. a surprise what they might not know because you're absolutely right Adam to point that out but I want to hear Ryan like this is a Dennis Allen defense he've been running this thing for seven years now how long has he been running the same defense? Yeah, since 20, since 2016 and it's been pretty consistently, yeah, pretty consistently good since 2017. I mean, look, the defensive line had questions going into the season and I still have questions. Chase Young looks really good. He's getting a lot of pressures. He's physical. he looks different, but, you know, you're not getting the sack numbers you want to see from the defensive line as a whole.

Cam Jordan, you know, he's playing inside a little more, not playing as many snaps as he used to as he kind of gets towards the end of his career. So I would like to see more, especially with the leads that they've had the past two weeks, you would think you would see the defensive line just get a little more ferocious. But it also, you know, you just also see Dennis Allen blitzing a little more. Alante Taylor has been fantastic in the nickel corner spot. just blitzing, covering, tackling, everything. Like, he came in with a completely different mindset this year. Kulay McKinstreet looks good, a pulse and a debo. I mean, they have the stack secondary and the linebackers that played well, too.

So, you know, it's going to be interesting, man, but it's really going to, I really want to see this defensive line kind of step up before I could say, hey, this is a Super Bowl team for real, because you really, they're really going to have to bring it, you know, going forward. this is one of those years though the NFC just I mean every year is like this to some degree but the AFC is just a little different with all those quarterbacks

and they're going to get in there and it's just tough to go through two or three of those guys the NFC it's like it's gonna be a tournament and if you can get a home game at least for your first game maybe for two you maybe get through that tournament you know it's one game seasons it's possible looking at the NFC

and you know what's crazy about it and we'll wrap with this it kind of justifies if this season ends up being just that one season that's just a lot of fun and we'll see if it continues it kind of justifies this whole plan that Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allen has had this is your theory well because my theory is like I think it's absolutely true in NFL Billings it's just like let's just get to one more year give us one more year of employment and you never know what's going to happen in that one year so let's let's sell everything out to get to that one more year because you never know if we'll finally get out of this. Like maybe we'll just, everything will fall into place. We don't know. Like, we finally hit

on the O.C. this year. Like, we don't know. The things are happening. And if you can just justify, that one more year is going to get you three or four more years, might get a new contract, might be a lot of fun. So all that begging and borrowing and trading the picks and and aiming for the middle with Derrick Carr. And man, they're going to, I'm not going to say they're going to shut you all up a little bit. but they're going to make it all worth it and they'll be happy about it. Their paychecks and Mickey will be there

for longer than anybody in the NFL. He's outlast Bill Belichick. Mickey's outlasted Bill Belichick. Crazy. You brought the UFC and you know, as fans were not looking forward but that and the city game

Monday night football in a couple of weeks. It looks so much better now, doesn't it? Who? God. And if, if, if by whatever chance you have two four and no teams on Monday night football, like, that, that's going to be, that'll be fun. That'll be fun to see. But truly, like, thank, thank you for having us on, man. This is, it's an honor. It's a privilege. It's crazy how football can bring people together. We, you, we've, I've known you for, for years. You know, we've been to each other's daughter's birthday parties. We've been to events together where football has, like, formed. actual friendships beyond that that has nothing to do with football and it's it's beautiful how how football can can do that so it's it's crazy that we're even on with you but it's the honor privilege and we we truly appreciate it from the bottom of my heart no don't be silly you guys

have been killing it it it's overdue and yeah i think uh alice has still got that bill to bear in her room somewhere she's she's 13 this weekend how about that speaking of birthday Oh, what? A teenager, Greg? We hung out at the beach and she was like six years old back then. Oh, I just want to know, Greg, can we get you down in New Orleans for the cash money hot boys reunion? Is that like officially happening? When is that?

It's happening. November 2nd, the tickets are purchased. Come on, man. I'll try. I got to get the, we don't go to a lot of games. I wish maybe I'll try to convince the NFL there's a big Saints game that weekend and sneak my way over to that. That was funny. Thanks, Falcons. Because I was there. I was there in New Orleans at the absolute peak when Ha came out, when it was all, when people thought Mystical was like the second best, you know, was like bigger than Little Wayne. You know, I was there. It was like,

it was like being in Liverpool when the Beatles came out. So it was something. I appreciate you both. Adam and Ryan, like I said, check them out. If you're watching on YouTube, check out the the hot Saints block party merch. I like that. And, yeah, they do the best job covering the Saints a couple times a week. They are awesome. And, yeah, it's been a fun week on NFL Daily. We will be back Friday afternoon.

You might have seen with Cynthia Freeland. I'm doing the picks against the spread every week. That's just a little mini show. We're dropping in the feed Friday afternoon. And then we'll be back for our next big show recapping all the games in week three, including Saints and Eve. Eagles. On Sunday night, that'll be with Nick Shook and Patrick Claibon. Until then, for Adam, for Ryan, for Dave Damashek. Yeah, it was a thin slice of heaven today. Football

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