NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Jimmy Garoppolo and Derek Carr Injuries and 2023 Week 3 MNF Recaps

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

In a virtual room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap Week 3's Monday Night Football doubleheader. The heroes start by recapping the Rams visiting the Bengals (02:00) and the Eagles visiting the Buccaneers (16:48). After the break, the heroes get caught up on news from around the league including injury updates on Mike Williams (31:25), Derek Carr (34:29), Jimmy Garoppolo (38:45) and some extra curricular activities between Sauce Gardner and Mac Jones (46:55).  Note: time codes approximate.  NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg Rosenthal from Englewood, Mark Sessler, from Hollywood. And we are here to talk about another double Monday night and get you caught up on the news. Mark, let's start with the good news, separate from the news, which is we are done with the double Monday night. The double chamber, the double shotgun, it's over, Johnny.

And I, for one, am very happy about it as well, because I was having a similar vibe to you. It's like, I'm done with this. I hate this two-screen experience, and now we're done for a bit. We are in like, you know, I think if you've been listening to previous episodes, I was confronted about my behavior a week ago and my text behavior with the two of you. I hope that tonight was an example that I can

can learn from those kinds of conversations. I don't believe I reached out to you. Well, the Browns weren't playing. You did have some complaints about the announcers, but that was minor. And we are getting a doubleheader, I believe, week 14. So Mark, we've had a discussion. And you're actually covering both of those games solo. Weird.

Let's see if I'm still here in week 14. That's your penalty for your Kaiser Soze routine in week three, double Monday night. bang sash. Um, yes. Uh, so we had an important game, uh, for the Cincinnati bangles who staring down the barrel themselves of Owen three and the prospect of Joe Burrow, not even playing this game, but Joe Burrow did play on Monday football against the Rams.

Let's head to pay core. Aaron Donald took a few plays off. He is now back in the game on second and six. Mixon, next a cut. Joe Mixon. Tonight's first touchdown, and the Bengals go on top. Pass setting up the run, and Mixing from 14 yards out, put Cincinnati on top. No one said it was going to be easy for the Cincinnati Bengals who have an obviously compromised quarterback.

with Joe Burrow nursing that calf injury that will not go away. But Burrow did make it through four quarters of this game. He said afterwards that he got out of it unscathed without any setbacks. Who knows if that's the truth. But what we do know is that he played four quarters. Joe Mixon scored that go-ahead touchdown. And the defense did the rest with a little help from Evan McPherson, their studly kicker in a 1916 win over the L.A. Rams, a game, Mark Sessler,

that wasn't high on action as really both offenses struggled mightily through this night. But it was the Bengals that just made more plays in the second half. Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting for two plus weeks to kind of see this offense looked like it has for the past two seasons. And when they were down nine to six and went in for a touchdown, it was like they finally, you kind of saw Jamar Chase, who they moved around a lot, get active T. Higgins. Joe Mixen in the ground game finally heated up

and the offensive line did a pretty good job in this one but I mean, yeah, I know the whole story is Joe Burrow and like I thought his throws were really affected tonight in general like he can say he's not affected by this calf injury it's like I think we all saw a quarterback we've seen him before minus a calf injury and like I thought his throws were definitely affected by it and like he looked uncomfortable.

I don't think he said he was not affected just for the record he said didn't come out of the game with like it worse short But, like, there's no doubt that it limited kind of who he is and what he can do. But they found their way out of it. But, I mean, the Bengals, it's like it was kind of a total team thing. Like, what they did to the Rams with their defense, with Trey Hendrickson, with Logan Wilson, it's like, these guys just stepped up and shut down a Rams attack that was, I think, one for 11 on third down and one for four in the red zone. It's like, it took the whole team to get out of this slump. And it's like, I think the offense can grow, but it's like this version of Joe Burrow can't be the guy that we that we know.

No. Is it going to get better? Hopefully, can it get worse? It can get worse because it's like it's calf injury. There was one moment tonight where I thought he got hit and it looked like I thought he might have reagravated it no matter what he says. Like it just looked uncomfortable. But they got, they escaped it with a win. I guess you don't ask too many questions after that. Well, I'm asking questions because what they did tonight is unsustainable. There's also like two things can be true. That was not a Joe Burrow that can win enough games for them to matter this year tonight. Their offense was too limited. They couldn't have him under center, which limits the running game too. I think Joe Mixen looked good, but he's out of shotgun all games, so it just messes with the running game.

He clearly can't move outside the pocket. Like, he wasn't accurate, but they found a way to win. I think that's true, and he has to be better else they're not going to go anywhere. But it was also a championship level performance as a team. The best players on the team were all on defense. I think DJ Reader made one of the biggest plays of the game when he sacked Matthew Stafford on first down when they were on the goal line right at the beginning of the game after they overturned a 2-2-at-wall touchdown.

And that just set the tone of defensive players stepping up and making huge plays. Trey Hendrickson, you mentioned, just beating on the Rams' backup left tackle in the second half. Dax Hill made huge plays at safety, Logan Wilson, with those interceptions, and they just kept holding the four, holding the four. And the Rams should have been ahead by much more at halftime, and they weren't. and they held it just enough for Jamar Chase to show up, for mixing to show up, and burrowed just to do just enough.

I didn't come out of the game, though, feeling like they solved anything on offense because even after that touchdown drive, they have an interception, they get a short field, they don't do anything with it, and then they kick the ball back to the Rams. It's not like they solve things.

They just problem solved for this week, and if you're a Bengals fan, and Nick Wessling was at the game with his wife, Steph. Like, you're just hoping, okay, maybe next week is a little bit better, and we can keep solving our schedule's a little soft, and we can just survive this part of the season until he gets better. Exactly.

And, you know, that's why I locked up the Bengals. Good job. Even though I sweat it out a little bit, the reason I did lock them out is I just lock them up. I just did not foresee a scenario. And I know the coaching Sassman catching heat on this podcast that this team, this battle tested team was not going to find a way in this game, even if they aren't themselves.

And that's exactly how the game played out where Burrow, The real risk on the lock side was that he was either not going to play or be, make it through a quarter and then come out of the game. And then I'm banged in a big spot. But once he was able to just manage it and the game plan, and now while it's not an exciting game plan to watch, and quite frankly, it's kind of sad to watch this version of Joe Burrow, because he's such a dynamic, exciting player who challenges defense and can move when necessary. And all that stuff is thrown out the window, just being in the game flow. And then when it was money time in the second half, Burrow, because he carries himself in a different way than many quarterbacks, he carries himself like the great ones, where when it's time to go make a play, when it's time to go get that big drive, he will hit the throws. And I thought the big pass on a nice little play call that showed patience, both by Jamar Chase and Burrow hitting that big gainer that was the big, I think that went for 43. And that set up the mix and touchdown. That was it. They just kind of needed one big time drive.

And then because this is a team with championship medal, I believe the rest of the guys took it home led by, like I said, Trey Hendrickson, like I said, Evan McPherson who had a monster game for a kicker on a day where the offense needed like help. Here's the kicker just smoking 50 plus yard bombs throughout the night. And they did it as a team. And I think it really portends well for them. Not I agree with you that this version of the Bengals is not sustainable down the line. But during this very vulnerable time for them, just kind of. of checking off and getting these wins, it will be huge for them if Burrow can actually get healthy in time. It's hard to imagine them suddenly taking a leap between now and next week. So I'm with you, Greg, in the sense that like, I don't know how you eke out wins like this because what they got on defense was special tonight. They just did it. Huh? They just did it. Like, this is how they have to do it. It's got to be a team effort. You played the Rams. Like, I'm not sure you're going to beat other teams necessarily. Okay. Counter to that, Mark. Here we go. Up next, at Tennessee, at Arizona, home Seattle.

Tennessee's good defense. I don't love it. Here's where I would push back just slightly, because I'm with you. The offense has to improve, but can they just muddle through and the defense carries them for a few weeks and win enough of these games?

I think it's possible because, yes, it's just the Rams, and I think something showed up today that we expected coming into the season. Like when the Rams were in catch-up mode and they're just counting on one-on-ones to 2-2-at-well, it felt like, man, this is, you're just hoping upon hope. But the Rams were more,

physical than the 49ers literally last week. They put up almost 400 yard against the 49ers last week. They put up 30 points on the Seahawks. So this was a championship level defensive performance. Yeah, but Greg, three minutes ago, you said it's not sustainable. Right. What are you saying? Because I'm sort of saying, like, this version of the Bengals offense is not going to win 12 games for them. And I think he could heal by then and be better, but he could also reagravate this. I don't think he really had a real rollout until like deep third quarter. Like we're not seeing a quarterback that's functionally. He's in the pocket and like sailing throws because of his lower body situation.

It's like that's not teams are going to find a way to target that and make more of it than the Rams did tonight. And they came close to extinguishing the Bengals. This was a tight one. Right. I agree with that because the Rams defense as hard as they played early. And look, they only gave up six points in the first. half they force four punts they're one of the most undermanned under talented defenses in the league aaron donald kind of had a a back to being aaron donald dominant night but other than that they're

just they're just trying out there and they're going to play much better competition uh in terms of the defenses that they face it was weird game for their offense because you saw i'm talking about the rams now you saw um how they've really now found a role and uh for two to at well and he made a couple big plays in this game. Puka Nakua once again had his share of action, a little quieter in this game, but had a big catch near the end that made the game interesting in the final minutes or close to interesting. I want to call this game interesting. And you will, of course, get Cooper Cutback in a few weeks. I think on the Rams side, it's a frustrating night. But I also think it's, again, I do not like being put in this position that the Rams were put in where you're going on the road

in prime time against a proud like battle tested team like Cincinnati that needs the win. And while you're frustrated that the offense didn't like come to play today because if they played just a little bit better, Cincinnati being as vulnerable as they are with Burrow right now, they could steal this game and then you're feeling totally different about the Rams. I still think this offense is going to have more better days than bad days, but just a tough one against the defense that really gave them fits, especially with the pass rush. Yeah, I think this was a big game in a mist. opportunity though for them just in terms of the type of season that they want to have

been one they could feel like they stole like when they looked at the schedule early in the season you wouldn't have expected them to have it and they're built on this offense being a top 10 offense and the defense being good enough and today the defense was good enough for them and their number one side didn't show up enough they didn't they weren't consistent with the running game and they've got a winnable game next week with indianapolis but if you look at the schedule after that and i've talked to some people it's like it gets tougher and they are going to be a team that if they happen to be under 500 when they get to the trade deadline,

there might be decisions. And if they had won this game and you start, if you get off to a three and one start, that conversation kind of goes out the window. So that's just something to watch for them. And I do think McVe, tell me if I'm crazy. Was McVeigh's game management driving you guys crazy? I know I'm game management guy,

but it's like I've just been seeing this stuff for five or six years. And he drives me, he drives me crazy with the conservatism. Am I crazy? You know what? You don't think that. You don't connect McVeigh with a conservative streak, but you do see that.

There were just, even beyond the gate of the play calling, I'd like to hear what you're thinking. But even that last drive when, you know, they, they need 10 and you had a big completion to Higby down the sideline with three and a half minutes to go and he doesn't go out of bounds. And I'm just like, and then shortly after that, I think it was at well, he, he cuts back in instead of just stepping out and they're like, guys, like we need, we're going to need this 90 seconds.

Like, what are we doing? So a little scattered on that side of it, too. Yeah. He punted on fourth and five with six and a half minutes to go. And at that point, they were down 10. That's basically saying game over because the best you can hope for is to get the ball back with like around three minutes to go, which is what happened. And they had only one timeout.

So you combine that with the fact that they had blown those timeouts. And McVeigh always does this because he doesn't want to take a delay a game. And they blew two timeouts like that. And it just happened for five or six straight years. And like after each of those timeouts where he didn't want to. want to take the delay game they got sacked and punted the ball away like it didn't matter you need those timeouts and then you combine that with like running on third and 15 a couple like two different times and he's always been like that he has this weird conservative streak and i think with

this team he's going to need to be have the game management stuff just a little locked closer because they're not they're not explosive enough to to make up for stuff like that it's not in the world annoys me like that yeah it's not in the world of josh mcdaniels kicking the field goal last night in that absurd situation but it's like if you're going to punt in that that place, you've got to have enough confidence that you're going to get the ball back in your team, your offense, and know your offense well enough that, like, they can go score the touchdown, not continue to chip away. And it's like, that was an odd call. I'm not as down on McVeigh as you are, Greg, on that front. But it's, I guess it's just not how he's characterized

to me. He seems to me, if anything, innovative and aggressive in other ways. He is in a lot of ways. And they're playing hard. I don't think he's doing a bad job or anything like that. I think you found some limitations tonight, though, especially with the offensive line injuries. They lost two. offensive linemen, including their left tackle during the game. Anything else on this game, boys? I just think that the Bengals were lucky to even get Lou Anarumo back this season. It's just because I think we're in a wave where defensive coordinators aren't getting

hired as head coaches as much, but it's like 14 more games. He's getting a job, so it's like make the most of it. Yeah, and it was kind of a signature Jamar Chase game to go 12 for 141 on a night where the passing offense only had, what, 2.4. 32 net yards. I mean, that's a big time game. It's the old squeaky wheel, uh, gets the grease. He, he showed up in a big spot.

Like, he, he carried the offense. They weren't going to win without Jamar Chase. Yeah, I was going to say that. You needed chase. You needed, again, Burrow can't carry the team right now. And he's going to carry the team in their best moments. But right now he needs help. Can't put everything on his back.

And there was Jamar, Megan plays. T. Higgins, like, join us amongst the living. I know he had two touchdowns last week, but that's two out of three weeks. I think he had two catches on seven targets today. had a terrible drop too a couple of hey bud this your free agent year so let's let's let's pick it up a little bit help out your gimpy quarterback and um everybody will win in the end congrats to to nick wesseling in the crowd he was given scouting reports that joe mixon looks good i agree joe mixon does look good this year and he was saying that that higgins especially

was getting open deep see we couldn't see that uh but that burrow was just kind of checking it down or not giving those chances of just getting rid of the box too quickly so good scouting from Nick good job by you Nick Wessling after your 50 point lock with the dolphins everything is coming up wrestling in the biggest of all spots let's move to the first Monday night football game played where was that game played it's it's a forgettable you would remember if it was in philadelphia yes it was the Eagles win in Tampa let's talk about it fourth down a goal and they try and we're likely try again pinch me yeah i'd be shocked if they don't come back and run the exact same player however many people this stadium holds they're all expecting the same thing again

too hurts took it in no signal he's in well pinch me i mean enough enough And it's like the tush push or whatever. It's like, oh, well, if you don't like it, well, then maybe somebody should stop it. Shut up. Enough. Well, then don't complain about it. No, it's like, hey, man, listen, you don't like to play? Well, maybe everyone would do it then if it was something that was so easy.

Why is that is? So hoity tooty about this guy. But then don't complain about it. Just because I don't like it. I don't think it's fun. There's a reason I don't watch rugby. Rosenthal, this is American football. Okay, but they,

no scheme. I'm, I totally agree with your aesthetic objections and your enjoyment, but don't say that they should outlaw it and that everyone can do it. Nobody else can do it. They're trying to do it and they can't do it. Football quietly, despite maybe the 30,000 foot

view that it's like, it's like lughead game played by cavemen. Like, it's a very intellectual game football and you have to outthink the opponent unless, we go back to caveman times when the eagles have it at the one yard line enough maybe i don't know like go what does the rules committee actually do besides state expensive hotels though by coming up with this no one else can do it go watch week one like stike and tried it with anthony richardson totally stuffed

it's not an automatic play like the eagles you get so low how you're going to stop that he gets so low enough but like why is why why why are you suddenly become this character from like the central Bronx like it's uh like nobody can get that low oh who's saying wow fascinating whatever all right so the eagles take care of business dan is like such a patented anti-intellectual he's just like he gets on these things where he just like who's actually saying that anywhere what saying what i don't know this bronx guy who's saying that they get so lower whatever that they love it why are you upset about this mark i'm not upset i just think why can't i have an opinion that differs from yours you have many

that differ from mine and i have literally no control over anything that happens anywhere on this show so like i you're allowed to have as many opinions as you wish like that's never been an issue for you is that okay with you can i go on sure all right thank you mark here we go let's get into the game the eagles take care of business in pretty uh in a walk um final score 25-11 over the Buccaneers, a game that they pretty much controlled throughout Jalen Hertz does do the tush push and the Eagles with, again, D'Andre Swift, which is another big find mark, they run all over the Bucks who can't get anything going on their side of the ball and offense. I, like, yeah, I know the Eagles a week ago, we were waiting for them to kind of warm up after

a shaky week one, but I'm looking at a team that a week ago. go had the ball for essentially 40 minutes on offense. They had it for 39 minutes tonight. They've run the ball for 460 yards over the past two weeks. They out yardage to the bucks 472 to 174. They had 27 first downs. They were 10 for 16 on third down, which is wild. DeAndre Swift and the entire backfield costs less money than Dalvin Cook. The Eagles are well put together. I think they're heating up. We started to see A.J. Brown get involved. It was a complete domination down the stretch of a Bucks team that I find, you know, solid but largely fraudulent on offense at least. And this Eagles team, I think it's like, we're just starting to see,

like, if this was like kind of a growth game for the Bengals, like the Eagles to me on the ground, they have a way to go, but like their ability to dominate control the clock and just take the other team's offense out of the game and tire the opposing defense. Two weeks in a row, they just had their way at the end of the games. And so I, I love what they're doing, right now and like this is my kind of team to watch they're dominated on both sides of the ball on the line i mean the the bucks ended up with 172 yards this was the classic and dan you called it classic example of a two and no team that really wasn't two and oh like just smacking their face against the wall and just proving that they didn't belong with the team like the eagles and i was

surprised i think coming into this game the eagles had struggled but from from the 50-foot view as they like to say it's like, man, the Eagles are winning these games by two scores and it doesn't feel like Jalen Hertz is playing that well yet and like that they have some things that they can work on, that they're that good. And I don't think these September games matter that much in the scheme of things. You know, going to this week, it's like, oh, the Cowboys, they're looking great. Like, they're now the Super Bowl favorites and not the Eagles. It's like none of this September football is going to matter in January except for the standings. But the fact that the Eagles can work out issues and just like win by two scores comfortably when it doesn't feel like they're even

playing their best and they practically triple the bucks and total yards. I do think that's a little scary for the rest of the NFC when you're looking at all these players on the roster. I think it's one of the more overblown subplots of the first two weeks is what's wrong with the Eagles on offense because while, yes, Dalyan Hertz hasn't been as locked in, they are running the ball maybe better than ever. And, you know, and they are doing enough in the passing game right now. It's not like they're doing nothing in the passing game. They're just not locked in.

And you're right. Like if they, if Hertz does lock in, and I think it's more likely he does, that he doesn't. And he starts, you know, getting more and more active with his legs as well. This, this is the team is going to be look every bit as scary as they were last year. And they will rival the dolphins when you talk about offenses that you don't want to see on the field. So, yeah, despite all the hand-wringing, they're three and oh. and this game against ostensibly, you know, or not ostensibly.

They're just another undefeated team, quote unquote. It wasn't even close. So if you're an Eagles fan, you're feeling pretty hot right now. It's crazy how good their lines are. I mean, that's, it's been the whole magic, magic potion for this organization, rebuilding itself after Carson Wentz, how they built it up with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles, was just like, we're going to spend all our money and all our resources possible on the offensive line and the defensive line.

and then everything else will just look better because of that and we can figure things out because of that. And they mashed him. DeAndre Swift looks like a different player right now, 16 for 130. And it's not just the offensive line because Gainwell wasn't really getting it done tonight. He looks like he's on, he's in Mario Kart and he hits the oil slick or something.

When he goes forward, it's just like, foo, I love me. He lost. He lost. Oh, I thought you're talking about Gainwell. Gainwell lost that job. And Swift, I don't know, like Mark, the lions had there were moments in his lion's career where it looked like it was just about

to click i'm i'm not surprised i'm obviously he's played like the best running back in the league the last two weeks but you kind of felt this was always in him and now he's in a perfect spot i would you know you get to the point now where you want to be surprised if this guy's near the top of the league and rushing at the end of the season like he is set up beautifully here he's in a better environment um although the lions have a good line too but i think he's healthy like i think DeAndre Swift was battling a lot of injury stuff in other seasons too. And I thought the Lions like backfield reinvention this offseason was a little mysterious to me. They kind of had it going on last year with Williams and Swift. I'm like they he looks great in Philadelphia. And it's

like I'm with you, Dan, like we took one week's worth of Eagles offense and kind of like it became a talking point. But I do think that you're not getting, I think we came into the season thinking like Jalen Hertz is an MVP, an MVP candidate. And so it's like he's, been a tick below or at the offense on that the passing game's been a tick below we haven't seen quite like the performances on the ground from him all of that can come i mean when you're dominating teams this way it's like you're gonna win 11 or 12 of your first 13 or 14 games and be like what we just saw from the cowboys it's like find a better team in the nFC right now for me than the eagles if this is sort of their b minus b performance well 49ers nice little lock there by

sure 49ers yeah i locked up the eagles uh you know it's not was not the most heroic thing on the planet. Well, exactly. I was staring down. Talk about a wounded animal. You thought Mark was mad at me before. Just imagine if his locked in and come through. I'm not mad at you.

I'm trying to be impartial here. I don't think he was bad at you. I think he's just having, you know, having a little fun. He called me an anti-intellectual. Give it because I don't like the butt push. I just ask why he's always from central Bronx or like one of the boroughs.

Like I think maybe because you said you like this Eagles team so much. Maybe you took it a little personally. I didn't mean. I didn't mean to upset you, though, and I apologize. I'm not upset. Like, I think we've moved. I'm just trying to have fun out here. It's a Monday night where the games weren't too juicy.

I don't really care about the butt push ball. It is, it is ironic, though. It's like this intellectual team, and they've got, you know, their whole analytics department run by, you know, Ivy League graduate, Alec Halliby and whatnot. But, like, what does it come down to? They're the big, they're the big, rugged men who are just running the ball one yard, and they get all the expensive 300-pound linemen on both sides of the. the ball that that's what the intellectual say is to get well i don't like intellectuals uh you know i don't

i don't i prefer to shut them out i mean suspicious of them it's another week with jalen carter and jordan davis do you guys give me something on the bucks here i mean baker uh i wouldn't say it was a disastrous game for baker but it was not a it it it was a big come down to earth i thought it was actually this was not the outcome that i was expecting i thought either we were going to get one of two things which was either the epic baker flameout game where he has like five turnovers and he just can't stop just throwing it up for grabs and we didn't quite get that and we didn't get the other one which would have made this game a little more juicy which is him uh playing with a lot of bravado and completing a bunch of passes although it started out a little bit more exciting than

it ended so when i woke up this morning i feel pretty dangerous i feel like this is probably more not really uh more in line with the baker that will get week to week um and that's not going to be good enough for this team. I hated the like the Rashad White safety in the end zone. Terrible play call. What are we doing? Like in general, like there's been pretty good play calling for the bucks with a first time, a guy doing it for the first time in Canales, but like I don't know if Baker's floor is like, I'm going to go throw five picks. But it, it is what it was tonight. They're their lowest first half yardage since, you know, 2020. And like they looked like it and they looked like it. And it's like, this has always looked. I always thought it's sort of like a seven win team. And I think that

the two and oh start was a bit fraudulent that would that would get there over and they asked you know bowls about the running game afterwards and he basically just said it didn't show up like what running game so uh they've struggled to run the ball they're not a complete team mike evans uh look good again but this this defensive front with carter and and davis and fletcher cox is playing better you know he he hasn't really been fletcher cox the last couple of years but he started out this season uh playing quite well so you just like like you got to watch them and see you don't like these veterans you just assume they're the same year after year but he seems to be reversing the aging process at least at least early in

September. If I'm like if I'm in the NFC you know we got to be smarter about you know keeping tabs on the Eagles here you know we talked about like Seattle passing on Jalen Carter in the draft and then he falls to the Eagles and then you have DeAndre Swift. have to like you got to make sure he doesn't end up back in his hometown making one and a half million dollars in salary like potentially leading the league in all purpose yards or something crazy like that like this you have to I feel like they're so run so well that just kind of keep better tabs on the Eagles because they're going to keep boat racing the conference if they are able to add these guys to an already loaded roster I agree I definitely think uh

if Hurt starts playing better. Like he made a bad decision in the red zone early on a fourth down that ended up a turnover on downs. He probably should have kept the ball and he handed it off. And then he had two interceptions, one where he's just hanging in the pocket forever, forever and enforces it. And he made a nice throw in a similar situation to Zakias earlier. But a couple interceptions in this game, like a couple wonky decisions.

Like his PFF grade, for what it's worst, I bet will not be great tomorrow. It's going to be, he's been middle of the pack. for three straight weeks and yet their offense is still awesome although you know a j brown's sticking into your fantasy team and an otherwise good day uh clanks went off his hands in the end zone greggie um that would have made the stat line look nicer uh he would have three total touchdowns and and whatnot but uh yeah come on a j make that catch i mean he had he had a nice night in the nine for one 131 see on that one i want hurts to just a little more touch you know there was a fender there, but a little more touch. Don't make them jump. If that's the one I'm thinking of.

There was a couple of the other play. The other play that just seems like they're toying with their opponents. The other play where it looked like they're going to just to bring it full circle here. They're like, oh, we're going to do the tush push again. Isn't this cute? And then they all cloud up. And then they kind of, it's a fake. And they and they pull out. And Jalen gets caught up with his feet. And he falls. And the play gets busted up. Like, they're just messing around. They're just having fun. I think they could have scored the runway, the regular way.

And Troy Aikman pointed that out. He's like, yeah, I'd keep that one in the back pocket. I don't think, I don't think you need that. Didn't need to use it against the bucks tonight. You definitely don't want to pull out of the tush push. All right. Anything else on this game? All right.

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Let's get to the news. We've got a lot of news to get to on this Monday night here in Southern California. Let's start with bad news for one of the Southern California teams. The Los Angeles Chargers will be without the services of Mike Williams for the balance of this season. for this season ending left ACL tear in the Chargers 2824 win over the Vikings. The team announced it on Monday. The report and the belief is that he'll be ready for training camp next season.

But that does not help the Chargers this season. Williams, Greg has been, went on the field a big time important playmaker for this offense. He's battled injuries for as long as I remember him being a player with this team since coming into the league and now he's got a big one to deal with and that leaves a big hole for the chargers. Yeah, it's sad for him. It's, it's disappointing for the, the chargers. He's under contract next year. I checked his cap number is like 32 million, although the salary is 17. They want to keep him. They probably will. They can, they can fix it as they normally do. But he's a guy just has been too unreliable. I was watching this game when it happened and my immediate reaction was like,

oh don't you know because it came on a short throw that they're asking him to make yards after the catch on a third and long and he you know battled through a couple defenders to try to get the first down and my immediate thought was like oh don't don't put mike williams in that spot like he's just going to get injured you know it was a tough spot and that's like a crazy way to think about your what has brennan staley done that before right well no but here's the thing i was wrong i think because you can't think that way about your number one receiver that like you can't give him the ball in space to go try to break attack right or two but it just feels like that's the way mike williams his career has gone that when he gets contacted whether it's with the ground or with opponents like he just has suffered so many injuries it's so frustrating like i find his career like you know not it's not his fault injuries aren't his fault but it's just like such a test of your patience if you're a chargers fan because you have them and it changes your offense entirely like under kellen more it's like the way they were moving them around like i think it unleashed keenan allen too it's like one of the reasons we're seeing Keenan Allen explode, like, kind of late in his career this way is because of

Mike Williams. Now it's like, can Josh Palmer create that same environment? Quentin Johnson's like a work in progress. It's like you're taking your number two guy. Johnson, though, like a similar profile player. So it's, yeah, but they'll like also someone who's- like Mike Williams next year when his cap number is 32 million. Like he's supposed to be the guy that is the next dude. He only has, I believe, what, three or four catches so far, five catches this this year for 26 yards and I don't know like wide receivers typically in our league now hit the ground running if they if they're dogs and you kind of need quentin johnson here now to be a guy for them there's there's no training wheels anymore that stinks though that stinks

in other injury news the saints will be without derrick card appears in the near future but we just don't know for how long the quarterback will be out he has a a sprain right AC joint that's like the shoulder area throwing shoulder he did Dennis Allen did not rule out his quarterback for Sunday's game against the bucks but it would be a surprise you would think to see him in this game and Mark we hear it all the time from people that play the game that this is one of the worst kind of injuries from pain management that you could play with it but you're going to suffer playing with it and I can't even imagine a quarterback playing with this type of

injury it happens um but it's not going to be pleasant whenever he does get back in the field now we'll see how much he misses yeah i mean he took 11 sacks already this season so it's like in in that world like behind that line like if he comes back do you reaggravate it um or you already like less effective because of it um you got tampa coming up the patriots two good two solid defenses uh i mean james winston who i kind of like i would say honestly like a couple weeks ago i could maybe thought like James the higher version of James Winston can be what Derek Carr is but he's so variable and like the early part of what we saw from him on Sunday was just sort of a disaster to the point where I was like the Jets should trade for James Winston's like no they should it and nor should

anyone like let the Saints deal with this guy um you want you got Derek Carr for a reason they believe in him and it's like it is a disaster in a very winnable NFC South and an NFC South or a playoff situation in that conference in general where the Saints could sneaky win 10 or 11 games with Derek Carr. And it's like now you lose them for a month. And if Winston is a mess, you're in a whole different world. Yeah. When I watched after what I heard, I was expecting Winston to be a disaster.

He was fine. He made a couple of throws in that game. He set them up for the game when you feel like. They didn't score any points. I'm not saying that he was great, but it wasn't any disastrous James appearance. I'm just a little worried about him without Sean Payton there. But he is a better backup. than most and their schedule it's just preposterously favorable i know you got tampa who's two

and one and then at new england you could make an argument before their week 11 by that at new england's the toughest game by a decent amount in their first 10 games which is just silly if you're if you're in a fce east i mean i don't even i don't even know who is it then is it Tampa is it is it is it home for jacksonville maybe i don't know it's definitely not the Colts or the Panthers or the Titans or Chicago or Minnesota like probably Jacksonville and that's you know they are they are no great shakes maybe like we'll see I mean they're like the 27th ranked your point is well taken yeah I um I like the Stevens I think they can win games with James Winston and uh you wouldn't want to see Carr get rushed back that was a really

disappointing uh injury for him it's a reminder like people always say scrambling guys get hurt like most of these injuries come from being in the pocket. It was on a play. He's probably kicking himself. He didn't get rid of the ball, held on to it for a really long time. And it took a vicious hit that they didn't call. All these, like, roughing the quarterback calls that they do make when they're, you know, when they're throwing them to the ground and landing on with body weight.

That was it in a nutshell. And it took them out for a month. And no one said anything that they didn't call a penalty on that play. And there's been issues, as Mark said, with taking sacks. And it's actually interesting that Dennis Allen, kind of went out of his way to say, well, that's fair. But he said, I think that was the one play I felt like he kind of hung on to the ball too long, which is true. And he's going to have to be.

And here's one thing about Derek Carr. Thanks, coach. Yeah, I know. It's one thing if a jerk like me is pointing it out. I don't think I would be annoyed if Dennis Allen. Maybe unnecessary honesty there from Dennis. But Derrick Carr is a tough SOB. I bet I would not be surprised if he's back next week.

Maybe not this week, but next week. And then it's just about pain tolerance. They say, I just get the feeling that's the kind of competitor he is. And we'll see if he can play the guitar with a bad wing. Let's look at other quarterback situations. This one in Vegas, where Derek Carr left and was replaced by Jimmy Garoppelo, Sunday night football. He takes a few nasty shots in that game. He finished the game.

He actually threw an interception on the last pass of the game in desperation. And then on Monday, went into the concussion protocol, and that is not a good thing. Josh McDaniels, Raiders head coach, said they're not sure when the injury occurred. There was nothing ever mentioned, Vic, you know, or talked about relative to that. I'm not even sure what, you know, when, you know, what hit or, you know, if it was just accumulation of, I have no idea. You know, there was never a conversation about that, you know, so I'm not, I'm not sure exactly. and I haven't seen him yet this morning, so I'm not exactly sure when it took place

or if it was just a culmination of things. I mean, there was a... That answer cracks me up. It was like just like a man kind of like shriveling and getting smaller and smaller by the minute to do everything he can to not answer it. It's really well said. I mean, there was a major play in the game

where Minka Fitzpatrick hit him in the head with his helmet and his helmet bounced off the ground on that play. And it does go to show like that that wasn't spotted. wasn't really talked about on the broadcast. I didn't think twice about it watching it. But it's like, yeah, he was speared in the helmet by another helmet. And this shows how, I don't know, this system is not working perfectly for these quarterbacks health that he played the rest of this game.

He seems to get banged up at one point in every game where you think his season is over. And then he returns. It's like, they showed him late in the game on the sideline. And I know he's a handsome person. So it's, I'm not speaking about his looks, but he looked clear-eyed. he looked with it. And so when I read this, I was just kind of like,

when did this happen? And like, what? I mean, I don't know. Like, how do you spot this stuff? If it is sort of the kind of thing where it's like there wasn't a crystal clear moment where as, you know, he suddenly afterward appeared like a completely different human being.

We've seen that, but I didn't see it with Jimmy G. In the Steelers game. There is something about Jimmy G. By the way, though. It just seems like you're right. There is that moment for him every game. And then it also seems like he's getting his,

receivers hit because it's like the ball takes forever to get there and it's over the middle and just like it just feels like there's a bunch of car crashes on the raiders offense all the time people are in the backfield blowing up josh jacob it just looks like a walking injury waiting to happen the raiders offense i mean you thought the ball was hanging up with uh jimmy g throwing spirals just wait until it's time for brian hoyer in two thousand 23 what about a little aiden o'connell i mean I think that could add a little energy to an offense that put me to sleep almost a night ago. Who do the Raiders got this week? I should be more prepared than this.

Let's look. Ooh, the Chargers might get a little bit of a break for once in their lives. Hmm. In other news, oh boy, Gregi, the Stadies are after J.C. Jackson, who while a member of the Chargers cornerback, while a member of the New England Patriots, he got ticketed for going 100 miles per hour on Route 1 in South Attleboro, Massachusetts.

And he never paid the fine, $600 fine, never took the class. So what happens? The state is in the state of Massachusetts to say, oh, we're going to throw a war now for this guy's arrest. And when that came to light, he was made inactive for the charges first one of the season over the Vikings yesterday. Brandon Staley said later Monday that the move was unrelated to the warrant.

You know what? I don't know what's going on here. Does anybody know? Is it about the warrant or not? I would agree with Staley. You know, we got this text in our text thread. I was driving, I believe, at the time. I got in and our guy, Big Funk,

gave us some good breaking news. And I said, oh, that makes sense why he was inactive. I had not clicked on the link yet. When I found out it was like a $600 fine from for the traffic i was like this probably is unrelated to the to the healthy scratch i don't think i don't think they're benching him for that but it's been um it's been a bad 18 months for jc jackson since he signed that contract i mean life changing money but the injury and just healthy scratch it's just like why am i i'm reading this article maybe my mistake was i should have been on nfl

but I'm reading this ESPN article and the headline is worn out where charges J.C. Jackson over $600 fine comma class. And that has nothing to do with why he was enacted for the game. Why am I even talking about this then? Why are we talking about this? I'm with you. Like he was he was meant to complete a I guess a driving or traffic or something type class called brains at risk, um, which he decided he didn't want to take brains at risk. He didn't want to take brains at risk program that would have wiped out the fine like the listeners they could fast forward through this we can't he was the he was the highest paid uh free agent a year ago this is just sort of a but greggy then why was what's the story then because if the story isn't what happened in

massachusetts in 2021 then if we're going to be talking about this i need to know why he was inactive because right now we're what what we've done here in the media is we've smashed together to perhaps unrelated situations that have been like J.C. Jackson's in the air. So this got a little extra pop. And I think it's good as a reminder. Don't be driving 100 miles an hour. And if you get it, you got to show up for the class. That's why we did. The safety is important. Yeah. It's a service for whether you're in England or in the States, you don't need to be going 100 miles an hour

if they even have them on 100 miles an hour in England. And if you must go 100 miles per hour, wear a seatbelt. That's you. Speaking of scary stuff and safety belts, but it's not going to save you. That's the other thing. When you're on a plane and they're like, oh, here's the buckle.

Here's the mask that you're going to put on. Here's heads up. Your seat's a flotation device. No. If this ends in the way we don't want it to end, it's over, Johnny. We gone. And no seatbelt is going to save you.

you know well maybe maybe it's a bumpy landing it whatever don't don't come for me um the pittsburgh steeler's charter plane from las vegas made it an emergency landing in kansas city early monday morning a stealer spokesperson posted on social media that everyone on the plane is fine and that the team is quote making necessary plans to arrive back in pittsburgh later today i'm sure they are there by now um this is where this freaks me out a little bit um it landed at 355 a m central because of oil pressure failure in one of the engines. No, thank you. No, I'll take the Madden bus.

That is terrifying. I think this is tied to a sandwich prop that I had a couple years ago. Obviously not an active prop, but came close. This is where you find out a lot about your teammates. Like, there is one guy that just made this experience, I bet better for everyone, but his good attitude, maybe some jokes and whatnot. but there's also one guy in that just that just won't stop complaining and or just made it worse like the whole time like you landed at four everyone's unhappy and he just won't shut up about it because you're still there eight hours later no one's happy but there's one person i bet on that team that the rest of them are whispering about being just like okay can you just give it a rest we get it we're all in the same situation he's probably the guy that's screaming we're all going to die like and the pilots on like hey you know we got like multiple engines here so we're going to be fine but we're just going to take this down and he won't stop screaming that everyone's done um anyway the steels are okay but that that's

never that's never good so emergency landing's bad um in other news also bad you don't hit a guy in the junk you just don't do it i don't there's no reason uh unless there's a uh your your life is on the line uh or some other scenario to hit someone in the private parts and that according to sauce Gardner of the Jets is what Mac Jones did to him during Sunday's 15, 10 Patriots win at MetLife Stadium. Sauce responded by pushing Mac Jones, who then theatrically flung himself backwards, did not get the flag he was looking for. And then Sauce sent out a video saying, hey, look, just NFL realized before you find me for pushing your beloved quarterback, this guy. tap me in the Nards. Here is sauce Garner when asked about it on Monday. He got

tackled and he reached his hand up to try to like give me to help him up and I just like moved his hand out the way so then he'd get up he just come up to me like good job but while he's saying that he hit me in my he hit me in my private part you know what I mean so it's like I didn't react how I really wanted to but just like the reaction that came after that, but I definitely wouldn't expect to that. First time, you know, it's the first time for everything, I guess. I don't know, man. Also, he almost said the D word and he stopped himself.

So it wasn't the Nards. It was the other thing, which is interesting. Good job, sauce. Yeah, well, you're probably like wearing a cup in general. So it's like kind of all, it is all in one central area. But I don't know, it's like another little tiny chapter in the Mac Jones. might be slightly annoying. Like, there was some stuff that bubbled up last year,

and it's like, really? Like, I can't remember the last time. If it was like, you know, we have the Nodomac ensues adventures from years past, but, like, you know, how many quarterbacks have been tagged with this accusation? It's so specific that I believe it from Sauce Gardner. Yeah, even like the way he walked up to the podium

when he got drafted, there's just something a little something about Mac. And it's so funny because Patriots fans today are all just like, oh, he's just got this dirty, reputation this was nothing people just get in their corners it's like first of all it's not that serious that you need to like feel like you're defending the political party uh but the second is i find sauce's explanation pretty convincing and even the video where it's like people are like you can't really see anything it's like you can kind of see that it looks like a game a little tap

and sauce wasn't taking it too seriously ever but it looks like a game a little tap everyone knows he did it right it's like the way sauce said it i fully believe sauce garden it's not the first time that that that mac jones has done kind of questionable like um wrestling heel type moves i i likened him on twitter today to like a like the bad guy jock in the 80s movie who's just kind of a bully and a jerk and underhanded and gets his in the end kind of think that's probably how mac jones's NFL career will play out in general um but uh at the same time i can't i mean he's a dirt bag but you know that's not the worst thing it's good to have a like a you know like a like a you know like a little treacherous heel playing quarterback like it's it's fine it's good to have a couple of

those guys I think it's good it's a he's like a character actor in the NFL at the quarterback position the character he plays is a dirtbag um and that's fine that's good and Patriots fans just own it too like you know he's a dirtbag you know he did it it's just funny because it's just like it is it seems it's like he's made it just is crazy it's the Patriots and it's not like he took a full swinging kick to the groin. It was like a totally ridiculous thing to do in the situation. This little tap walking by. I was like, what are you doing, man?

What are you doing? I don't want to show there's, I mean, yeah, like a severe kick would be to a different degree, but the entire concept is in a really rough place to begin with. Like whether he did that or a kid. It's preposterous. But it was. Didn't he did that last year where he did a QB slide with like his foot up trying to hit a guy's nards?

Like he, I mean, I don't know. He fights dirty. And, uh, you just don't see that at the quarterback position. It's like the glamour position, but there's nothing glamorous about Mac Jones. And maybe it's just like, maybe you can respect it because he, he's a lot of pluck there. Like he'll do what it takes. He's that guy that in the fight, like he'll guide, he'll gouge your eyeball out if he has to. He, he does not care. He'll use the broken bottle. He'll do anything he could do to get away with it and win. He's a real patriot. It's a great, I mean, this is like a great symbol of, of the post-Tom Brady era Patriots, like, hey, we might be mediocre, but we'll tap your, uh, on the way by.

It's like, what's what's going on? He's kind of a Dan Campbell kind of guy. Like Campbell would be like, yeah, that's what, when Campbell talks about, oh, we'll bite your kneecaps up. You'll do anything to win, even if it's underhanded. That you, that's a competitor that you like. I bet if you ask Dan Campbell about this, he'd be like, I'm totally cool with it. All right. Finally.

In other Patriots news, Bill Belichick was on the Greg Hill Show on W.E.E.I in Boston. And he was asked, and I got a kick out of this because it's just funny, like imagining Bill Belichick is like a real person who has takes. Like, what are his thoughts? Like, does he find Taylor Swift physically attractive, for instance? Oh, yeah. Hubba, hubba. Bill likes him some Taylor because this is what he had to say about the reports and almost the confirmation that Chiefs, tight end Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift are now an item. Dish sister. Where do you fall on that? Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift, power couple in the NFL. Travis Kelsey's had a lot of big catches in his career. This would be the biggest. Now, I don't want to get into Bill's personal business, but he's had a very public long-term girlfriend, Linda Hollis.

day. And I think that relationship ran its course this year. That means Bill's single, ready to mingle. And maybe this is his, I'm just throwing this out there as a theory that he knows that the Swift Kelsey Romance is probably more a fling than a serious. And now he's let be known his thoughts about Taylor Swift in terms of what she is in terms of like where she stacks up as a romantic partner, which apparently to Bill Belichick is very high. this is a disturbing theory I did not see you taking it in this direction

but like it checks out like he's saying she's a great catch the greatest catch he ever made this is one of the greatest tight ends who's ever lived did he pre-write that though because that was a it's a pretty good line if did he know the question was coming

and mentally had that ready this is pretty good question even if he had let's listen and watch again because you could see maybe or his gears turning where he's looking to recite or does it seem like it's just rolling off his tongue?

Let's watch again. Where do you fall on that? Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift, power couple in the NFL. Travis Kelsey's had a lot of big catches in his career. This would be the biggest. So it feels, it does feel like he's operating almost off like a cue card or a mental cue card. But I am trying to imagine a world where Bill Belichick agreed to go into any media situation

with a pre-planned answer to something playful. He just looks jovial. like that. It just doesn't seem like Bill Belichick would do any of that work. I thought it was, I'm taking this whole Taylor Swift thing and being like, I'm kind of buying it at face value. Like I got up super early this morning and watched like Travis Kelsey's like S&L appearance. And I was like, these two kind of like fit together. They just fit together. Like I kind of this is great. And I know there's some, is it real? Is it not real? Like I heard people saying they didn't think that was actually Travis Kelsey leaving the locker with her. That's, that is an idiot's commentary.

Um, it, they were, I think that, we found a conspiracy theory Mark doesn't believe in. I don't believe in plenty of them. And that's definitely one of them. It's like, I just think that like there's something about the way she operated up in that suite with the mom. I was like, I kind of buy this. I think she, I think they dig each other. And I think that you've got Jason Kelsey kind of confirming it verbally too at different points in time. And it's like the whole family seems kind of excited about. So I don't know. I want to believe in it. I think, I think Bill's with you. And, uh, I think Bill just, he just loves love. And I think he just loves beating the New York Jets. He's never in a better mood than the 24 hours after beating New York Jets. I'm not even joking. I have noticed this. He's just, it's just true.

Watch his press conference yesterday. He was glowing. They're like, they're like one and two and could barely do anything in that game. And he was like over the moon. You know, it's worse than the getting beat all the time by Tom Brady's Patriots. It's getting beat by the Patriots when they stink. Yeah. That's not a good.

team but they still win and taylor swift has that song cardigan and when i felt like i was an old cardigan under someone's bed you put me on and said i was your favorite imagine imagine the next t swift tour and she changes the lyrics to sleeveless hoodie no please i'm telling you bill put his hat in the ring with that comment oh she's into jocks all right on the greatest coach of all time see what she thinks about that you say it's disturbing i say he's a man no no i mean he might need to send off andy reed you know yeah yes it's almost like we sometimes she has a saying this she has a say in this equation what do you mean she has to say i'm not saying that that that now she must be with bill belchick i'm saying sometimes we view these larger than life

legendary NFL figures it's almost like human status and not men of flesh and blood that have feelings and desires. And I think Bill's in the ring. I mean, I'd say that we've been to enough combines and owners meetings to understand that many of these coaches are flesh and blood and have desires. I would just say from a distance that's overtly, that's very, that's verified. Yeah. All right. We should move on from the story because no, we should this would be the way we, we, we should be the way we. We wrap up every ATN after dark Monday night is with a story just like this. Just like talking about Bill's like single life.

The town I live in the like the singles bar is the purple orchid. And just imagining Bill belly up at the bar getting a rum. Did you watch the game on Monday? Surveying the scene. Hey, look, there was a time and Mark might remember this where he was on the wrong side of the New York tabloids for some stories. went back when he was with the Giants that he was not appreciating that sort of coverage but that was a much younger Bill Belichick

yeah this would not be a new concept of Bill Velichick according to the tabloid reports from back then he's a man of flesh and blood and desire all right that's what's happening in the news if you like celebrations of all time NFL moments

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