NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Judon Traded with Ian Rapoport and Who Needs to Pipe Down with Colleen Wolfe and Patrick Claybon

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Ian Rapoport to react to Matthew Judon being traded from the Patriots to the Falcons. Colleen Wolfe and Patrick Claybon join the show to discuss what J.J. McCarthy being out for the season means for Sam Darnold and the Vikings (7:58) and Colleen updates us on here training camp travels (23:46). After the break, Gregg, Colleen, and Patrick tell you who they think needs to pipe down (32:35). NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. At long last, the Atlanta Falcons get a big-time pass rush or they have coveted for, I would say, more than a year. And now get Matthew Judon, the former pro bowler. That's right. We're in the Matrix, breaking news to start this NFL daily. I am here for the first time ever with the man that broke the news. And that was a clip of him breaking.

the news earlier, but well after we taped the rest of our show. But we're putting this at the top. Ian Rapport, you had the news, Matthew Judon, to the Falcons for a third round pick. Why, why now? First of all, I like that you do this. Give the people what they want. They want the news. They want it now.

Tack it on to the top of the genre for this. This is a good trade. And I think it's a good trade for both sides. Let's start with the Patriots side of it first. They were not getting anywhere with Matthew Judon. I think for a while they thought they were. extensive contract talks to try to get something done long term or maybe short term with Judon.

He made him happier. Remember, he was making less than $7 million this year because they took money last year from this year and moved it forward. If you do that, you got to fix it. And they were unable to fix it based on his demands. He was kind of unhappy. There was the spat with Gerard Mayo on the sideline. This was not going in a good direction.

The Patriots, look, they could be good. Anything can happen. It's clearly a transition year. A 32-year-old pass rusher wants a new contract. Makes sense on someone else's team, not their team. That's the Patriots side of it. For the Falcons, they have been looking for a pass rusher for a long time. They were in on the Montez Sweat deal, did not end up getting him.

They were in on the Hassan Reddick deal. Did not end up getting them for whatever reason. I'm not saying they lost out. They made decisions throughout, but I'm just saying those are two of the guys that are in on. Lyotu Lattu they tried to trade up for in the draft. It didn't happen. So now they get chewed on. They can deal with it.

from a salary cap standpoint. They could deal with it from a pick standpoint. For the Atlanta Falcons, this is kind of their final thing. And I think it makes a lot of sense for them. Oh, yeah. It makes a ton of sense.

I just assume he's going to get paid by the Falcons. But the price, a third round pick, you know, that's fine for what has been a top shelf pass rusher. I mean, Judon is coming off an injury that's not something you worry about long term. He's not an aging pass rusher that's coming off a torn Achilles or a torn ACL, it's a biceps injury, and so you would expect him to play well? Do you think he gets a new contract with Atlanta before the season? He must.

Otherwise, this doesn't make any sense. Right. I mean, I think there will be something. Will it be a new contract or will it be a reworked year this year? Will it be incentives if he has the sack numbers he wants? There's different ways you can deal with it. But I think for for him, going elsewhere probably makes sense. And that really opens up all the possibilities. Like, I think for the Patriots, it probably would have only been a long-term extension for the Falcons who look like maybe they're a little further along.

Maybe they just reworked this year. And then, you know, past rushers who are in their 30s get paid. I mean, I forget what Von Miller was. I think he was like 32 or 33 when the bills signed. I'm like, these guys can still make real money. So if he goes out and kills it, he can cash in a free agency again. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, Clownie just got paid pretty good money from Carolina more than he had gotten in the previous years.

And they needed him, but they better give him some money. Or as, you know, a quasi-patriots fan here, I'd be annoyed. It's like, what are we doing here if we're just giving up their best edge rusher? A third round pick, okay, great. I mean, it's okay return. But is there any concern from the Patriot side of things that this training camp, There's been displeasure, you know, among some of the players, Devon Godshaw, and then Matthew Judon, both express the publicly. Judon gets in the public fight. Then he's back and he's kind of

sometimes practicing, sometimes not. And then they basically do what he wants and he gets his way. Any worry about Gerard Mayo kind of setting a bad precedent here? No, because this is money. And when players want money, I think there are different ways you can handle it. Gotcha got the new deal. He got the deal. He got the deal. wanted, got a two-year deal. Judon didn't, and he got traded. I don't think the Patriots did anything that would let people say, like, oh, well, they set precedent.

Look, there are players all over the league who want new contracts and don't get them, and sometimes those guys get traded. So I think the Patriot tailed it fine. And you can talk about the return. To me, it's fine. Like, it's basically a fourth rounder this year, which is the same thing as a three next year. That's equal value.

It's fine. the Patriots not really. I feel like we got to rework that, by the way. You know how they've always said that is like next year's third is, you know, it's worth the second this year. I say no. I say a third is a third. No. It's like money. Ian, like if you can just be patient and have a long-term view, a third is worth a third. So I'm just saying a third next year. It's one thing when he had, if he was going to be on the team past this year, but he wasn't going to be. It was the final year of his contract. So I think it's fine. It's not like Brandon. Now you're getting traded for picks now where you're not getting anything back. And you should have just, you know, that's not helping you. It's not the same thing to me. Right. This is a transition team. And I think the Patriots did fine.

And I think for Matthew Judon, he did fine or maybe really well. Oh, yeah. He gets to go live in Atlanta instead of, I don't know if he's making the drive from Boston or he's living in Foxborough. That'll be great. Meanwhile, he's the first like pass rusher on Atlanta. That's a good edge rusher since John Abraham. I mean, it's outrageous. I don't want to put you in a bad spot, but I do, Ian.

Okay. Now, it won't be the first step. Name another Falcons pass rusher. Like an edge rusher. I won't even give you Grady Jarrett. That doesn't count. I don't blame you. Not many people could do it. Arnold Ebucketti, Lorenzo Carter?

Like, it's maybe in terms of just pure talent at the bottom of the league. I mean, they had a third round who they liked a lot who got hurt. Yeah, Braylon and Trice is. on IR. We said that on the pot a couple days ago, so that maybe was what inspired this. Arnold Evacetti. Tip of my tongue. Appreciate you, Ian.

Adding to the top of our show, I was so excited because all week, I'm trying to get these NFL daily shorter. And maybe our listeners, let me know. Just because it's daily. It's a lot. You know, you want it to pack a punch and get it a little bit shorter

so people can read it, you know, listen to it every day. Maybe I'm wrong. And the show is this week had been a little longer, and I was excited because we got a banger coming up. Patrick Claibon's in the studio. Colleen Wolfe's in the studio. We hear all about Colleen's travels. We get very angry and tell a lot of people to pipe down. We break down J.J. McCarthy and all that, and it was a nice, tight show.

But now me and you, the two short kings of NFL media just added to it. And now it's not going to be quite as short. I like how you made us equivalent. Good move by you. Yeah, and we're not quite there. You know, I'm glad you mentioned that. Before I do throw it to that, I just had to tell you. My son told me to tell you because I came right off the tennis court.

I went from the show to the tennis court with Walker, and I told him how I'm going to do this. And he was like, tell Ian, I'm a fan. He's got a cool job. And I was like, what about my job? And that's a pretty cool job. He's like, no, I want to break news like Ian. So you have a fan and Walker. Yeah, well, tell him thank you, but tell him don't because I would like all the news for myself.

Okay, by then, by then you'll be too old eventually. Thank you again, Ian. And yeah, let's get to the top of the show with Colleen and Patrick. Welcome to NFL Daily where we can't do a lot of subtle movements right now. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm beyond lucky today to be joined by my friends, Patrick Claibon, and Colleen Wolf. It is great to see you, too. It is great, frankly, that both of you are still alive after the accidents that you've had while inside training camp. Mine was exceedingly minor.

I'm just glad Colleen is here. Everything's fine. I can't really talk about the details of the accident. But, yes, I am here and I'm alive, and thank God, that's great. And you're feeling healthy. You're okay. I can't really talk about the accident is what I'm saying. I can talk about mine.

I was, it's all my fault. I'm riding a scooter through Cincinnati in a rainstorm and hit a pothole because I can't see it. Everybody's watching. I can't believe that happened. Yeah. But again, I'm glad Colleen's here. But then you did, you did television immediately after being in the pot hole and you were bleeding and. Eventually the bleeding stopped.

I got enough scar tissue of my knee that, you know, other stuff's not an issue. So you were like scraped up as if you had been on the playground. and tripped and fell, and was there asphalt, like, in your knee and everything? Did you get this cleaned out before the show? There's still little pieces of rock and glass because I was holding my phone in my hand, and I broke it in half and we're doing the show. Baldy and Bridgett had, we had a lot of fun, you know, talking about it. It sounds like a ton of fun.

Yeah, it was great. It was good to be at Cincinnati. The groundskeeper tried to turn the sprinklers on on us. I love it. I want to go back. Oh, my God. Well, that does sound like fun. More fun than Colleen's an accident we cannot talk about.

and we'll know. Right. No matter what on this show. Can't really talk about it. Although, I will say, um, I got an x-ray on Monday and I had to go and get my earrings put back in because you have to take out all of like the metal. And the guy that put my earrings back in knows Randy and Eric. Oh, wow. Yeah. Tony. Tony, uh, from down at, uh, you're cheating heart piercing in hermosia. Oh, Tony. That's my boy. Their ears parked up immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, he's, he's my guy. He made me. He made me. He made me custom slip-on vans. Really?

Yeah, and he hooked Eric up with some piercings. Yeah, Tony's my guy, dude. No way. Shout out to Tony. Yeah, so Tony, saving the day. I'm excited. I mean, Randy just lit up. Randy's great.

I love Randy and Eric behind the glass here. And, yeah, Colleen being back, this really gets us going. You know, Colleen's, we've missed her for a couple weeks, but now she's going to be here weekly. I am. And Patrick, obviously, as well. And we got a lot to talk about. So yeah, let's do some news. But before we hit the news drop, I do want to say we're going to,

we're going to hear about Colleen's travels. Yes. Around training camp. And we're also, oh, I got a little sound for that. And we're also going to just talk about issues around the NFL. Maybe we're going to direct this at certain fan bases, at least I am. Okay. Where just people need to pipe down a little.

Just pipe down. People need to. Yeah. Just relax. But before that. Fill out, everyone. Let's do some news. News.

The Vikings fans got the news that they did not want to hear on Wednesday. J.J. McCarthy will miss the entire 2024 season. They did surgery on his torn MCL and they realized they needed to do a full repair and that will mean he is out for the season. and Kevin O'Connell was clearly disappointed when he spoke to the media, but he did try to see the positive in the situation. He's confirmed everything that I hope to see not only early on through training camp, through his performance last Saturday, but he should, you know, our fan base and everyone should just be, you know,

excited about the fact that we've got our young franchise quarterback, I believe, in the building. Yeah, you know, the way O'Connell said it there, It almost feels like it's coach-speak, you know, trying to find the good... But he's right. As season-ending injuries go, and it was a torn meniscus, it was not a torn MCL, just wanted to correct that. He's a 21-year-old, got his whole football future in front of him.

This is not an ACL. It's not in Achilles. O'Connell talked about how he's going to be able to be back in the building and get some of the positives of going through an NFL season. He wasn't expected to start right away, and he did get the entire offseason until this point. Maybe I'm crazy trying to spin this positive, but it is a little different.

And he showed a lot in that offseason. I think his training camp, just for the people that were there, that I trust that were watching it day and day out, was really impressive that he was ahead of schedule, and you saw that in the preseason opener. So on one hand, that is a huge tease for Vikings fan. On the other hand,

he did get some really good work in this off season, and he's a really young quarterback, and I believe, you know, he's the heavy, heavy favorite to be their week one starter next year. Well, yeah, and the fact that they were never actually, I mean, of course, they're going to say this, but they weren't, they didn't have to play him, like, because they had Sam Darnold, even though they would have played him because it would have been crazy to not as such a high draft pick, but there's no pressure. And it's not like they don't have a backup plan there. I mean, they have the backup quarterback in Sam Darnold. It absolutely is crushing for them, for him. all of it, but they're not in a terrible situation because the plan and at least the plan

that was being told and shopped around to all of us was that Sam Darnold was going to start the season and that is exactly what will happen now. And you know what? Maybe it is good because you get to see quarterbacks now. I mean, that's how it was in the olden days when quarterbacks would come in, they'd get drafted high, they would sit for a year. There is something to that. There is something beneficial in watching guys who have reps already run the huddle and see how everything works and just watching and learning is good. And I think we saw him pushing Sam Darnold in the clip that Vikings fans will kind of survive on for a year is him throwing that touchdown pass and Justin Jefferson being miced up on the sideline during the call and celebrating that. I think

the big positive takeaway is because meniscus repairs can go so many different ways. We've seen teams, we've seen organizations, try to take the fast route and rush somebody there. And if he started early, he would have been the second youngest quarterback to ever start, right, right behind Sam Darnold in his time in the Jets. And so you can see the long-term plan of having a healthy and happy JJ. And we're not rushing him back. We're not trying to, you know, massage the opinion of the surgeon or the player and say, hey, you can be back this year.

We need you back. you know, take it easy, do the full repair and get them back as good as you can in 2025. I do think the ceiling for this team is lower. Maybe I'm getting too worked up about one preseason game. I think you are. You might need to calm down. I know.

I may maybe I need to. Well, I'm going to tell some people to pipe down and related to the Vikings very shortly. But he was really impressive in that game. And we kind of seen who Darnold was. And the whole idea of like this was the best situation for any rookie quarterback to walk into. I agree with that

because not only does he have the weapons like Caleb Williams does, but he has a really good tackle combination, good offensive line, good offensive coach, which I think there's more questions about that with Chicago and a frisky defense with Brian Flores. And they're over under with seven and a half. I know that division's tough,

but I thought they were in the mix. Like, if you told me that they made the playoffs and had a fun season where they win 10 games and McCarthy's good, like that wouldn't a surprise. me, now I think the ceiling's a little. Okay, let me ask you this. How many wins do you take off now projecting with Sam Darnold as the starter? Just in your mind. I'll say one and a half. That's it. I mean, that's a big projection for J.J. McCarthy to be that good as a rookie

because the other, I'm mostly saying the rest of the team was capable and they had a chance if McCarthy, you know, came out, you know, guns blazing. I'm a little lower on Darnold than consensus, I would say. Yeah, it's tough to get like late season Darnold previous years out of our minds where it kind of reaches a point where the wheels come off and we're thinking late in the season as McCarthy starts to come into his own they pick up some wins there and now it's just Sam the whole way it changes how I feel right okay so here's who needs to pipe down like we're doing a segment later pipe down but it would have been you can't wait I'm not going to wait because it's about the Vikings the Darnold Hive needs to pipe down really the best day of

every season for the Darnold Hive is the day the quarterback in front of them gets hurt and it's like, all right, let's calm down. I remember you celebrating because Brock Purdy had an injury at practice last year and they were like, oh, it's now Darnold's time to shine. And I could see all these these little gremlins crawling out of the woodwork. Yesterday

celebrating this young man's injury. No one's celebrating. They were kind of just like it's Sam's time to shine. And I... We've got a name and shame. It's everyone. Tice is into him. You know what's going to happen. Greg. Jeremiah. I, uh,

Salak probably likes him. Sam Darnold is going to be Gino Smith. See, I don't buy that. There's a difference. What if that happened? Colleen trolling. I mean, no, that's good.

I like this. I think if because of the situation around him and he could be better as a 28 year old, I believe he is now, than he's been before. That's possible. I think the ceiling's a little lower, but yeah,

he could be like a poor man. He could be like a baker last year. This is what I want to happen. Yeah. I want you to. to be wrong about this. I want Sam Darnold to thrive. I want his hive to grow and be louder.

That sounds bad. He could be better. Okay, so the best stretch. Here's why he's not Gino Smith. Gino Smith wasn't playing all that time. Sam Darnold's played a ton. Like, he's been playing this whole time. I'm going to read you. I came prepared. Let's get it. His PFF

rankings. Okay. Throughout his career. 64. 63. These are with all the, this is with the Jets? That's the starting with the Jets. But the thing with PFF, and I don't think it's perfect, although I think their grades for quarterbacks are better than people give them credit for.

It is trying to take out the situation around them. 60s is actually like, okay. It's not as bad as his numbers were as a rookie. It's kind of saying you're close to league average. You're like a little below that. Like 70 is decent, 80 is, you know, you're a good... So it's like a Dalton line? A pretty good starter.

Around there? 64, 63, 58, 55. 63, 66. I look at that and I look at, well, there's a consistent quarterback. There's a guy who's kind of shown us who he is throughout his career, which is like a high level backup.

Is the 55 the Matrul Panthers era? That, the 50, yes. Oh, man. Because I feel like, we may be able to throw that. No, it's not. It's actually the, yeah, it's a little combination, I think, yeah. Okay.

I am willing, as a person who shares, maybe not as vehement and passionate as you are about it, I'm willing to get rid of that particular throw that one away because that that was bad for everybody. I agree with you. You're right. And the best stretch of his career

was the next season. That's where I was getting confused with rule where he played for the Panthers and had about a five or six game stretch where he didn't make those darn oldian decision. Darnoldian. Which kind of reminds me of like

when Kirk Cousins went bad early in his career and he just does inexplicable things. Like he'll be a really solid, obviously talented quarterback for a while, and then he'll just do something and you're like, why did you do that? And he had a nice stretch with the Panthers, I think, after Rule was gone until like a week

18 game where he completely fell apart. And that's why the final grade was probably at 6th. So his best, his best grade on there was when he was where. I mean, it was all about the same. The first couple years in the Jets and then that season. So he's, I mean, but we've never seen him in a situation

that he will be in with the Vikings. That's the Darnold Hive buzzing in an argument. I think he can be better. He needs help, though. And Jordan Addison got carted out of practice on Wednesday, not long before we taped. It might not mean much. We've seen a lot of cardeds lately. And I'm always tracking it for this show. And I've learned not to even bring it up on the show until you find out a day or two later. Because more times than not, it's a couple days or it's half a week. And so hopefully that's the case with Jordan Madison and it's not anything serious. We don't know that.

I hope. I hope not because I mean, getting carted off with an apparent leg injury feels a bit serious, but again, it could be overblown because everything I feel like every single little piece of news right now is because everyone is so starved. Well, the cart's there. Like, if you're

if you have a lower body injury, why not cart him off? Apparently he was a little, he was putting a little bit of weight on it. He was kind of limping over to it. Okay. And that's, and that's what we need. If you're there and watching a guy tell us the full context. Yes.

How did they get to the cart? Right. Don't just say, you know, Colleen carted off with lower leg injury. It's like, whoa, whoa, I'm worried now. But give us the full context. What happened to the play? You don't have to be Twitter, Doctor,

but just give us more than the cart. Pay us a picture a little bit. But even like, and I'm glad they're really careful. Tyrone Tracy, the Giants back of running back at an aircast, put him out, which is usually a kiss of death. And his injury didn't end up being as serious as they thought. And he's going to be back in a couple of weeks.

I just expect the worst case scenario with everything. So, come, we got to turn this around, Connie, although I know it's been, it's been an off season. You know, you got to get that. That's what I'm saying. Get that back feeling better. And yeah, immediately after Addison left the practice, the reports were that Darnold threw an interception to Jefferson, that pressure was all over them. And that one of the Browns cornerbacks, because it was a joint practice, were just screaming over to the Vikings sideline. Y'all can't catch a cold.

Y'all can't catch a cold. Oh, my God. Maybe he's in the Darnold half. I think he is. He's like, you got to pick your guy up. You're not here bawling. All right. Randy was really coming and strong today.

Let's me know the over under is six and a half at Draft Kings. I don't know if it's gone down because I promise you at one point of a seven hours. So it might have gone down one for McCarthy. I kind of doubt it, though. A couple other just smaller items in the news. Jeremiah Usu Coromoa got a contract extension from the Browns. I think that was a good bit of business. I was assigned to do a top 50 free agents for 2025.

He was in the top 25 or so of that. Got to take him off. Nice. He was good. Would have been the top off ball linebacker. Those guys are hard to find. They're underpaid too, by the way. He got $25 million guaranteed, like not that much money.

Dante Jackson, the cornerback for the Panthers, was taken off in a cart, so we'll keep an eye on him. Sorry, Dante Jackson, now on the Steelers. I made a mistake. He was traded for Deonti Johnson. But their cornerback situation actually is pretty thin. after him. That's why they traded for him in the first place. Jemir Gibbs and Terry and Arnold, who both had injuries with the lions are expected back before

the start of the season. Those appear to be relatively minor. And Matthew Stafford left practice with some hamstring tightness. So we'll just keep an eye on that. Colleen. Yeah. You have been traveling around the world. Yeah. Really is a country, but the world a little bit earlier in the offseason. Yeah. But that's not what we're talking about here. Right. We're talking about your travels. All right. Around the country. and you're going to report back to us. Okay, so I'll just give you the top line items here. I was in Oxnard for Cowboys Training Camp.

Learned that Mike McCarthy had been boxing with Dan Quinn. So now he's going to need a new sparring partner. That feels like it's something that is important and pressing at this point. Also feels like a one-sided matchup. You think Dan was tuning him up? I would love to know more about it. And I really wanted to dig in, but we need to ask about the team. Mike McCarthy, he could pack a punch.

He's from Pittsburgh. He's a tough guy. He always talks about how he's a tough guy. I bet he might know how to fight and just knock you out quick. But as someone who tried to start boxing for about a like four or five month period. You did? At the gym, yeah. You have to be in outstanding shape.

I mean, it's got to be the most tiring thing that has ever been created. So Mike McCarthy doesn't seem like you would last very long. I don't know. I don't know, Greg. Let's put Mike McCarthy and you in a ring. See what happens. Do we want to set the fight up? I mean, I'm definitely better than it would have been before I did that.

You guys are going to do the way in. Can we cut a promo? If I got in a fight now, I would feel more confident. All right, go on, sorry. I went, I was in Canton for Hall of Fame. I have grown to absolutely love going to Hall of Fame so much. It is just like an absolute blast. I was able to do this little thing with Dan Fouts and Ronde-Barber.

We were kind of set up in front of everyone. next to the stage and just talked in between all of the inductees. And Dan Fouts is hilarious. I don't know if people know this, but he's one of the funniest people alive, and he's so dry about it. So if you're not paying attention, the jokes just go over everyone's heads.

It's amazing. Little Fouts bomb. Underrated as a quarterback, too. I think he gets forgotten when you think of all-time quarterbacks because he didn't get to that final game. And, you know, let's just say it. maybe the best or one of the best preseason crews out there.

Daniel Jeremiah, Matt Money Smith, and Dan Fouts. So good. You're cooking with gas. I love them. They almost make it worth watching like East and Stick for three quarters. How many three and outs did we see from East and Stick? Seriously, they're great.

Go on. The universe somehow keeps pairing me up with Ronde Barber. And I've told him multiple times that he ruined my childhood when he shut down Veterans Stadium, the final game there. And like, broke every season. single Eagles fans' heart. So now I have to keep doing events with him, but also, like, I feel as if I'm a turncoat because we get along now, kind of like my relationship with

Michael Irvin. So I don't know, I guess maybe it's growth, maybe it's maturity, but, you know, you grow, and that's what I'm doing. Also, I heard that my one friend went to Andre Johnson's Hall of Fame party, and he said that all he got was a bobblehead for throwing him all of his touchdowns, so that made me laugh. Let's go to Indianapolis, and it's happening again. Every time I go to Indianapolis for Colts camp, I immediately drink all of the Kool-Aid, and I'm all in. Colts? They're just one of those teams that you just fall for. I do. Every time, their cornerback situation is a problem. When I was there, I had to see the Colts team doctor because I convinced myself that I was getting cauliflower ear

that is not happening so everyone can rest easy but I did really get a nice behind the scenes look at the Colts team and the staff and the facility Anthony Richardson I absolutely love him I never had a chance to talk with him

until this past trip there and he's incredible first of all he has an amazing voice but he just has this presence about him I would love to be able to tell you detailed accounts of practice, but when we are hosting those shows inside training camp, our back is to practice. So if I had eyes in the back of my head, it would be really, really helpful. But I don't because I'm

sitting for four hours with my back to practice. So I can really only take away from the interviews that I do. But he's incredibly sweet. His little brother plays football at the high school right nearby. And he goes and watches his brother play football like every day. That's cool. So the whole family move there? Yeah. Yeah. They moved the entire operation. They were going to do that no matter where he was drafted. And so everyone now is set up in Indianapolis. The only person with a deeper voice maybe in the NFL, well, not in the NFL anymore is Andre Johnson. So that would be a good voice. Andre Johnson versus Anthony Richards. Anthony Richardson, he needs to be doing voice overwork as well. Like it is, it's a great voice. Kenny Moore, one of the best nickel cornerbacks maybe

in the league. I think that he's going to have a a great season. He's sort of like the elder statesman now in that room. So if the younger guys can realize some of their potential and some of those guys can really emerge, then they'll be able to bring it together. He was calling himself a pioneer. So at the position. So I would like to

maybe see if we're calling Kenny Moore the pioneer this year if he does start having some good place. Just that he's good at being a nickel corner and nickel cornerbacks are more valuable than they were when he started. Yeah. He's adding his own twist to it. He's forging a path for others to follow.

He's a pioneer. He's the pioneer. He's the pioneer. He's the first ever slot cornerback. No. No, that's not what he's saying. Antoine Winfield. I think of Antoine Winfield's senior, and I'm sure there were some before, but that was, that guy was a pioneer. Leia Tzu Latsu was flying off the edge. Everyone loves him. He looked really good in the preseason opener. That was one thing that we did not get to in the Nick Hook and myself wrap-ups that I wish I had said, so I'm glad you brought

him. He looked great. He's been glowing reviews out of camp for him. DeForest Buckner. Talked to him he loves a lot too and they also have a new defensive line coach there um which defo just like absolutely lit up when he was talking about him um michael pitman close enough you call him defo i know i've interrupted you like seven times that's that's where that's where we are now yeah so we're friends um michael pitman he giving lots of leader vibes um from him he thinks that jonathan taylor is going to have a like two thousand yard season um but Obviously, when you look at their offense,

all five starting offensive linemen are back together. That unit is cohesive. And with Jonathan Taylor healthy and Anthony Richardson healthy. And now Michael Pittman, they do have a nice shot at making some noisy. Look, this is what I'm doing. I buy it. I don't know if it's,

I don't know if this is a hot take or whatever, but I do think the cold ceiling is just as high as the Texans. And that ceiling is like two or three seed in the AFC. Yeah. I think they're that talented, like their lines, their skill position guys, everything. Just one last thing on Michael Pittman. He has a full-on farm that he works and there, he has tons of animals on the farm. He's not from Indianapolis.

I can't remember where he's from, but he, once he was drafted and once he got with a team, he moved there and bought the farm and they have alpaca. They have emu, which he said is pronounced emu, and people get that wrong all. the time. Fresh eggs he brings into the facility for everyone. He was trying to hawk like a hay out to people because I guess that's a thing. And the Colts have a real rooster problem at their training camp because I guess there is a farm next door.

A lot of farm talk down there in Indy. That's awesome. Yeah. And he went to like Oaks Christian in West Lake Village. In California. Yeah. So that's surprising. Yeah.

But I love it. People contain multitudes. I love that. I love that setup for the Colts training camp. And I loved our trip around. the country with Colleen Wolf. And yeah, it is weird. When they're kicking field goals at

Colts training camp, it just like goes into the neighbor's yard. Next door. That's old school. Although that's actually their facility. It's not like a random high school they're playing out. That's nice. That's their facility. It just goes into... They bought the land from the farm people next door, the farmers.

All right, we are going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to tell some people other than the Darnel High. pipe down. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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We're only three weeks away from kickoff, by the way. That's it? Wow. Weeks. You feel like that's a lot? Or that's too little? It's going to fly. I'm still trying to get like a little bit of summer in, even though it's over.

We're in week six here at NFL Daily, Colleen, and I'm saying like, I've been there. Five days a week, we've been there. I've already lost my tan. Come with me. We need you here. You're done. All right, all right, all right. Fine.

Fine, fine. Maybe that's why I'm a little ornery, a little agitated and wanting to tell people to piped down. We already started with the Darnold. So I don't want to go in first since I already did it. Why don't we start with our friend Patrick Claibon? Yeah, it's a familiar set of guy. It's a set of guy who's always around in the preseason. He comes to remind you

whenever you're celebrating somebody's performance, how they play, they say, hey, it's the preseason. We know. Like we're sitting here waiting for the football season. All the time we're sharks. Like all we do is swim and eat. We try to accomplish some aspect of life and then we experience the football season

and that's it. And if it was that easy for people to go out and play well and have success in the preseason more people would do it. Like we know that it's the preseason. Like all of those caveats are already applied. Go away. Like let us enjoy football.

What are you doing? I will say because I feel this whenever I'm hosting the preseason shows and we're doing like the pre and the post and everything and I'm going over numbers, if I don't say that it's the preseason, you have like that caveat of it being the preseason, then people come after me and they're like, it's the preseason. So that's fine. Yes.

We're all just saying the same thing. We get it. Like this is just, we have to do this. It's a formality of the season. And we're all just trying to get through it together. Let us enjoy it too. And like let us provide context where the context is appropriate or when we need. But also the whole like, it's the preseason.

thing is if a great throw happens, it's still a great throw. It doesn't matter who's out there. They're like, and they're always saying like, oh yeah, you did it on some FedEx, you know, employees. It's like, no, that guy's just going to be on a practice squad and he'll be on another 90 man roster

another year ago. These are professionals. Yeah. Yeah. And also don't take shots at FedEx employees or UPS or DHS or anybody that works for our incredible postal service. Oh, there we go. Or just like any shots in general. I don't know if you guys watch the Eagles Ravens preseason game, but one of the members of the chain gang, I am still so upset about

this. This poor man did nothing. He was just doing his job. And who was it? Was it Jerry Sandusky? It was Jerry Sandusky. Not that Jerry Sandusky. And this trouble. Yeah. Not that Jerry Sandusky. The broadcaster for the Ravens. He got a little hot water. Like, I don't even know why it started, but he just went after this poor man and personally attacking him for his size, his glasses. I'm like, this man is just trying to see. Why is this a problem that he's wearing glasses? And what did he do to you?

And he can't even defend himself and you're going after him on a broadcast? Okay, was he specifically targeting the dude because he was out of shape? Because when I saw it, actually, I happened to see it live. It was upsetting. It was talking about how they have the new technology

where the lasers are going to measure fourth down. or not instead of the chain gang. But in that game, they have the chain game. And they're like, can't we just get the lasers? You know, you got these people out here that, you know, are in the best shape. So I feel like it was also the cameraman. The cameraman is getting away with this because when Sandusky was just saying it,

he was just saying generically like, hey, some of these people, they're not in the best shape. You know, they got glasses. What are they got to do? And then the cameraman finds this guy specifically and it was like, oh, this type of guy. I don't know. Chicken or egg. I feel like they had him on the camera first and then Jerry just went in. Look at this poor man.

What? Come on. He did nothing wrong. I think he looks great. I think there's, yeah, the cameraman has some responsibility in this. The director does as well. And I think Jerry is making the point that I've been making for a long time. We've come a long way.

We got satellites and out of space. We got multiple robots on ours. We can do better. Jerry's my guy. Although we can't do better yet. I got to say they've been trying this out. and I've been monitoring it and week one didn't go too smoothly. All the lasers were taken like 35 seconds and the game was stopping.

So they need to work on that process. I called sabotage on pass interference replay. I may be calling sabotage here. I just hope that everybody's making a good faith effort to get this done. Because some people may be motivated to not. I just want to like check on that guy though and like making sure that everything's okay. I hope he's going. I'm feeling I still feel upset about it.

Okay, so my first pipe down is, I'm going to go with this one first because it's what inspired me to want to do this segment. And also, it's very similar to yours. And this is to the Packers fans out there to pipe down about Caleb Williams hasn't proven anything yet. I put something out there that was like, it must be a little weird for Packers fans to finally recognize like, hey, after a hundred years, the Bears. They finally got one. Like, we've been blessed with our quarterback after quarterback after quarterback. And we got another amount. I'm not saying anything about Jordan.

But hey, you got this other one. And yes, every single reaction was like, who's one pass, man? Because I, you know, did it off a quote tweet. Let's see some of the responses that I got that annoyed me. I will address them one by one. One was like, ha, ha, bro. They said the same thing about Chibisky and about field.

There was a lot of that. Just wait. He'll learn his place soon. Oh, his place. What? There was a lot of weird Packers. There's some codes in here. Red flag.

Yes. Packer's paternalism. And, hey, news flash. He's not Mitchell Trebisky. It's not one throw. And I like Justin Fields. I always defended him. He's not Justin Fields.

He's the best prospect that a lot of people, including myself, believe we've ever seen. All you got to do is see all those throws. He's incredibly talented. He's not going to be one of those guys. So get that out of your head. Honestly, that dovetails very nicely into one of mine. Oh, wait.

I got more Twitter. tweets. I want to throw them up before. Let's shame them all. Let's see another one. I don't want to shame anyone. I do. I do. This was the point. Same tweet as the past the past 30 years. Okay. I got that too. And then it's early days great. Just wait till he breaks a painted nail. And I went and checked and made sure these were all Packers fans. They were all Packers fans. It's just like, you need to do better than that. And also it annoys me all the people. There was a million of them that was just like, we don't care. We don't care at all, bro. It's like by responding and saying you don't care, that's saying how much you care. It's told on yourself. If you didn't care, you wouldn't respond with exclamation points. What is the implication there with the painted nail?

Just so we're clear, is that we're making commentary on people's fashion choices? I think that's it. That he's not. How tough and strong you are? He's not a tough guy. You're on Twitter, dog. Like anybody. I have enjoyed him on Hard Knocks, Caleb.

Yeah. Been a little light, a little light on substance this hard knocks so far. Like they haven't had the best access or something. But I do enjoy just getting the vibe of Caleb Williams of what he's like as a teammate and leader. It's a nice little window. All right.

Let's go to yours. Well, it's perfect because everyone who gets so overhyped about the rookie quarterbacks, how they looked in the preseason, we see what one drive, maybe two drives. And usually it's against, maybe not even the first team

defense and a lot of times they don't even have all of their first team offensive linemen and it's it's just such a mismash of all of the things that you're not going to see in the regular season and they make the expectations people do so

high off of such a small sample size that a lot of times it sets up I think players in general for failure instead of success because you're basing it off of the preseason which is based basically an NFL placebo. And if you think about last year,

CJ Stroud, he threw a pick on his second pass of the preseason. His completion percentage I looked it up was 55% at a 62 passer rating. And then he went on to have the best rookie season, offensive rookie of the year.

And just for comparison, wasn't a rookie last year, but Kenny Pickett, he completed 13 of 15 passes in the preseason. They won every single game. He had a perfect passer rating. He was anointed.

And then look what happened. Now he's in Philadelphia. Colleen, you know, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't check out Nick Shook and I's week two preseason recap, which is going to look through the mess and find out what actually matter. Exactly. We don't get too high. We don't get too low. Like in the depth chart stuff, that's what I learned the most. It's what NFL teams are watching in terms of watching other teams. They look to see, okay, who's playing with the starters, who's not for their week one opponent, like who is getting the most snaps with Josh

Allen. So Buffalo's first week opponent is like looking, okay, those are the receivers we need to prepare for. That type of stuff you can learn. It's an evaluation for everybody in the preseason. They're not just looking at the quarterbacks. And so you have to fully contextualize and get your

expectations from fully contextualized sources. I think it's just such a tease. Like, I'm just like, I just need to get to the season. But it's like sometimes the expectations. You need to warm up though. You've been in summer mode. Preseason forever.

I don't like a warm up. That's why I get hurt all the time. Just get out there. Patrick, give me something else. You want to pipe down. Yeah, pipe down Boston Celtics fans.

Whoa. That's not even football. Yeah, this not football. Just real quick. It was great. It was spectacular to watch a really special thing. We got Sam behind the glass.

We got a gold medal Sam, wearing his shaking his fist to you. But every single game, I had to watch this incredible activities, especially in the metal rounds. And then I had to log on. I had to log on. and see, why is it Jason Tatum playing?

Like, did you guys, did you guys enjoy the game? And I only say that to poke fun at you guys. I didn't, his parents getting involved on Twitter about it. That was a problem. They maybe needed to pipe down. They were just making it worse.

But I was, I would never have done that. I was, I was disappointed that he was not playing well and can't hit a shot. And that it, I think he's had a, kind of a rough post championship run here. You should be able to enjoy that.

And that hasn't been great, but it was all made up for my guy, Derek White, being out there on the biggest of stage with the best players in the world and getting that gold medal. Well, Derek White. But my actual one, sorry, thank you guys, is people who are taking poorly contextualized camp one-on-ones where somebody's literally covering half the field and then one player and it's like Xavier worthy. And Patrick Mahomes is throwing them the ball. And like, yeah, we're looking at it from an offensive. point of view. And it's like, oh, wow, I'm excited

about this. And then it's like, oh, that poor defensive back is getting toasted. Yes, no chance. Yeah. There's no chance when you see just how much field people are working with, especially in these seven-on-sevans and quarterbacks are out there. I sat there and watched Joe Burrow dice up the Bengals

defense. You would think these guys had no chance. Well, except for at Raiders' camp. Yeah. Well, that was the one camp where I was just like, Devante wasn't there that day. And it was like, they weren't winning the one-on-ones and seven-on-sevons. I was like, this is a little different. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. But you're absolutely right. That especially one-on-ones, but even the seven-on-sevens, it's just a different sport. Everyone at Patriots camp is like, if you just watch seven and sevens, Drake May is by far, maybe not by far, but he's the best quarterback because he can just go sling it, but that's not football. Yeah. I mean, it's, guys, it's the preseason. I have a bunch of little ones, smaller ones.

Please. But honestly, the Cowboys, the fact that everyone, is sort of getting upset about them potentially blowing up the core after this season. I'm not sure that that is actually what is going to happen here. I just don't really see a world where Jerry Jones is going to just let Dak walk away. Much to do about nothing.

After this season. And C.D. Lamb, too. It just feels like the cowboys are sort of the parents that take away your phone when you're in trouble and then they just, like, give it right back to you. Like, at the end of all of this, they're probably both going to get exactly what they want because Jerry wants this team to succeed and he knows that he has this talent here right now.

I just don't think that he... I can't imagine him blowing this up right now with both of them here. Yeah, you're hitting me in a sweet spot here as a too soft parent that that... You know? I am that parent that it's like, no, you can't do this and then...

And then they just look at you with those eyes. Half an hour late. Never again. Okay, you're not. going to do it for a half hour, then you're going to get exactly what you wanted. But you wouldn't have had it in the first place if you hadn't wine. Look what happened with Dak's last deal. Like he got the no trade clause.

He didn't get franchise tag. After his leg broke into two pieces. Here's my only pushback on that. And maybe it's because I'm rooting for it. Cidley Lamb, I agree. It's going to happen the next week or two. Jamar Jay's, same thing. Michael Parsons, eventually you would think that happens.

That's not this year. What if Dak Prescott doesn't want to play for the Dallas Cowboys anymore after this year? I think that's a pretty real. realistic possibility, that he would love to see what's available, see the biggest contract in the history of the sport, and quite possibly would like to play for a different team because this team has certain challenges being the quarterback for this team that other teams don't have. Because now he's already there. Why would he sign a contract now? He already referenced like Aaron and Tom and Peyton going to second spots,

but I feel like the differences those guys picked a team that they thought could immediately contend that was better. I mean, Aaron's situation with Green Bay was, you know, there was a lot going on there. But I just wonder how many teams are going to be able to present the same kind of talent around deck

that... Right, which is maybe why he just wants to go see. But let's see, like he wants to get there. He'll get the biggest contract in the history of the NFL by far if he does get there. I think he'll get the biggest contract ever right now, but not by far.

It would be bigger. if he goes, and he can see who's there. And maybe it turns out to be options he doesn't like, and then he feels better about staying. Have you thought about where he might want to go next year? Yes. Where? I think the Rams would be interesting.

Okay. Now, I know Stafford just signed another contract, but I think that coaching tree in general would love to coach Dak Prescott, and I think the Rams would be an attractive one. And it's Los Angeles. The Raiders would certainly put their hat in the ring. Now maybe that's not going to be as attractive, I think.

Colleen has put this in my head now, and I can see it that Jerry Jones would rather be the tough man who doesn't want to do this and then ultimately do it. And then he still gets credit for being the tough man who doesn't give and isn't negotiated. But he also gets to pay the guys that he ultimately wants to pay anyway. But I do think it's not. saving any money? You could just go ahead and pay them. There's also a cap hit. It's a whole,

it's a problem. But it's good for Jerry. Yeah, but it's, yeah. It's good for Jerry's brand. Yeah. Situation's always open up. Pittsburgh could be a place. Cleveland could be a place looking for a quarterback next year. Although the finances of that would be maybe impossible. I'm just throwing, I'm just throwing random random ones at Denver. Who knows? You never know. Pilot Flying J. Brought to you by Dag Prescott. Which actually, Denver, I'm going to bring up a mini one, which is like, hey, let's, let's pipe down. Bonix, truthers.

Like, 15 for 21. Like, he was bailing out of clean pockets a little early, you know. I'm not saying

anything good or bad about it, but there is a certain, Denver feels to me as not paternalistic. What is the word? I don't know. They really overrate their guy.

Like, their fans and their media always overrate their team more than most places. That's all. You're right, though. Like,

it's like a parent and like their kids really looking through that. Here's another pipe down. Pipe down to people that keep saying, well, you should just, and this is basically Mike Floreo of pro football talk, but I've seen Kyle Shanahan talk about it too,

which is let's just kick it to the, kick it into the end zone every time anyways. Let's just bring it out to the 30. Why are you against fun? And then why Kyle Shanahan are you like, oh, I hadn't thought of that. That's a compelling idea. Why don't we just kick it into the end?

No wonder your team didn't know about the overtime rules. You hadn't thought of that yet? Kyle might occasionally spin out an accuracy or an untruth. Okay, you're saying he had thought about that. I feel like Kyle's probably considered any number of things and just likes to, you know, give us something to think about. Okay, here's the thing with...

Like he's being facetious, right? Here's the thing about kicking it out to the 30. Okay, yeah, we're preventing possibly giving up plays, blah, blah, first of all, it's lame. It's like not competing. You're lame. But more than anything, people are acting like five to six yards of field position,

is nothing. Do you know how much scoring is going to go up if the average field position goes from like 23, 24, which it was doing on kickoffs last year when they actually kicked it short, like to the 30, it's going to skyrocket. It's a huge deal. So I don't buy that coaches are just going to accept that L. No. No. Because I think the first place we're going to see it, we're going to see special teams coaches out of here and an even more alarming way than we all because they're already the first to go in a whole bunch of situations and take a lot of blame. But I think it's going to be tough. Any more pipe downs from you?

What about Jordan Love as the MVP contender after, like, yes, he had a great end to the season? You're telling people that say that to pipe down. Maybe just, like, pump the brakes. Maybe not pipe down, but, like, let's just, like, maybe reel it in a little bit. It just, he had a really good two-month stretch to end the season, but it's just such a small sample size. I know that they went into Dallas and they beat the Cowboys and he looked really good

but let's just maybe I don't know. Pump the brakes a touch. I have considered that he's going to be a streaky quarterback and so I hope for him like the streaks happen after he has a hard strong start to the season. I'm very

high on Jordan Love in general but I do think just the way he plays football he's a little Josh Alleny there's going to be some ups and downs. So you're right. Like, if he has a couple bad games to start, I don't think people should panic. But I'm not actively rooting against him

or for this to happen. I'm just saying, like, maybe we adjust expectations. Packers fans are eating it today. I mean, Randy Chavez, a famous Packers fan told me he's indifferent about, about Caleb Williams.

What about her take here? I mean, but even you saying you're indifferent, I don't know if I buy it. Is it so bad for me to want the rivalry to be competitive again? Exactly. That is,

that's huge. Eubris. Because, no, you know what? I got some Packers' responses. Very few, but a few that were like, hey, this is cool. The rivalry is going to be great. Like, our team is great. They finally have a quarterback, like, bring it on.

I can't imagine being that spoiled, though. No one likes to watch a movie that's good for the first, like, 50% of it. And then the entire third act is just bad. You want something that's good the entire way through. So we want a good game, a competitive game. But if it's like fan service, the whole movie and like you're getting the thing that you want. Like, yeah, give me Darth Vader in the hallway at the end of Rogue

one. Give me three hours of that. I'm a fan serve me. I like, I'll want I know. We've had lots of years of quote unquote fan service and it hasn't really accumulated too much for us. It's like, okay, cool, we won the division and then we lose in like San Francisco or something. Now, I'm with Patrick. I like blowouts as a fan. I like

it, like, people are like, oh, it's an easy path for the Celtics last year. It's like, yeah, this is great. I can be less stressed out about it. My final thing to pipe down on, and this is pretty neat. it's to Jags Twitter, actually. It's like, Calvin Ridley's gone. Just let it go.

I've just been noticing that, like, it's a whole thing. Jags and Titans fans, they don't like each other. It's, you know, it's a rivalry there. There are also two of the forgotten sort of teams. And I got on the Jaguars front office for kind of botching this Calvin Ridley negotiation here. But you got Brian Thomas. He came back and made a nice deep catch.

That was great. During the preseason, that was fun. Gabe Davis, I've, you know, heard and you could see it that they're using him a little differently than Buffalo did, not just a deep guy. You saw him do something. Like, they're going to be fine

and stop being so mad that, like, Calvin Ridley left. You know, they're, like, let it go. And he's going to be good, too. Don't be mad at him either that he took more money to go. That was your Jaguars ball. Yeah. Anybody would make the same choice

unless you're like Jackson DeVille himself MJD or something. I got a quick one. please um right now it's fantasy related uh keenan allen is the wider receiver 31 like i know that we love recency and we love youth and all that we're we're punting on veterans a little too early in the fantasy world like he was the wide receiver eight last year i just i just think like keenan allen still gets open wait what about this good value though did you see because uh patrick is hosting fantasy live now three days a week monday

through Wednesday. Shout out to Greg. There he is. Everyone check him out on NFL Network. He came straight up from taping that show so doing double duty.

I'm sure because you're such a part of the fantasy community, you are aware of the Keenan Allen weight controversy that he's like up to 230 pounds or something

and yet when you look at him he looks good. Yeah, the training camp weight thing is just like I where do we do it? Like I think Keenan Allen forgot how to prepare for an NFL season.

It's like you step on the scale and, you know, things go up and down. Whatever. I still think he could get open at 260. Put him in tight in. Who cares? I was watching Hard Knocks though a little closer. Like, does Keenan Allen look bigger?

I was like, no, he doesn't look any different to me. I don't understand it. Remember the Leonard Fournette thing where they tried to convince us that he was 600 pounds? That was crazy. I was at training camp with him that year and we had to interview him. And I was like, what are you going to get for lunch? You know, Keenan Allen, he is older. And that is a crowded offense.

That's all. All right. Patrick's going to lunge across the table. We're going to watch it. Is the ceiling like that high for him this year? I think I get why he's a guy. People aren't that excited to draft. Wide receiver, 31.

That's pretty low. 31, Greg. That's right around where Terry McLaurin is. He's going right before Tank Dell right now in drafts. He's going to prove everyone wrong. We don't need the Tank Dell slander. No, I love Tank Doe, but he's just right there. And then Rishie Rice.

We don't know how much he's going to play. Yeah. Anyway. That's fair. Well, we know how much y'all are going to play. Patrick's going to be with me every Sunday night on the recap show. Alene will be on weekly during the regular season. And we've still got a couple weeks to go, though.

Like I said, three weeks to kickoff. So a couple more weeks that we're going to be getting ready. Three weeks of summer, Greg. Every day on NFL Daily. Plan is we're going to have our friend Matt Harmon on the final show of the week on Friday. That's fun. So check that out. also recap the Patriots game.

It's going to have a big appearance by Drake May, so that'll be fun. Until then, see you next.