NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Justin Fields Hurt and The Corridor of Uncertainty for Jayden Daniels, Seahawks Offense and Jordan Love

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Bridget Condon to get you caught up on news from around the NFL including Justin Fields' injury at Jets camp (01:45), a check in on the first round picks from around the league getting their first taste of camp (08:30), updates on the QB battles taking place (12:50), and more! After the break, the crew tells you why the Seahawks offense (21:09), the Chiefs (34:50), the Commanders (44:12), and Packers (46:20) are all taking a trip down the Corridor of Uncertainty.  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're trying to hold on to that first week of training camp optimism, but they're making it hard. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in Chris Wesseling's podcast studio. That's what we're calling it today, with my friend Jordan Rodrigue. And back after birthing a child, congratulations. I made it.

I'm alive. Like, that is congratulations enough that I walked out of the hospital alive. It's Bridget Condon. And yes, no, I mean, Ava, your daughter, congratulations to her, and congratulations to you. But no, I was congratulating you for being now a three-time NFL daily guest. That's really good. The only thing that I did more on maternity leave than cuddle and kiss and smother my baby is bully Greg into letting me back on the show. That is not.

You should have just texted me. True. But look, you just. Now that she's three days a week, she does have pull. So I might switch my bullying over to Jordan. Not a bad strategy. And you just got back to work. You were telling me just on Wednesday.

So you're basically on your first day. I'm going to put my phone down here and not stock the nanny cam. This will be the longest I've gone without stock. the nanny cam. Those things are dangerous. Like, they're great because you can know what's going on. But, like, I feel like I'm invading her privacy and I need to chill. Yeah, I feel like they almost shouldn't exist.

But that's a conversation for another day. And Bridget is going to be one of the many NFL network reporters out in the field. It is back together weekend on NFL Network. So we start the all-day coverage of training camp round the clock this weekend. So looking forward to seeing you there. But Jordan, as I alluded to, off the top in terms of the optimism. This is the time of year where like everything's great.

And then usually the first few days, there's always some sort of injury. Actually, this week I've thankfully noticed there hasn't been like too many major things. But there was on Thursday when Justin Fields gets carted off at Jets camp. I immediately thought like, man, I've been optimistic about this team. The whole offseason, I really believe.

I think they're the most underrated team in Vegas. And then I almost like felt like a Jets fan that it was already starting again. It's so interesting. There's like a mixed response to this coming out of that market this morning as we're sort of following this unfolding Justin Fields' foot, toe situation. Like he got stepped on at practice. They're still understanding like the severity, the timeline, all of these things.

But I'm seeing some reports out there being like, it's no big deal. They really avoided something worse, all of that. And then I'm also seeing reports of the timeline is still unknown. The severity is still unknown. I think if you get stepped on at practice, obviously go get that checked out. Feet are important. But I also think

they might have avoided something more serious here. Yes, it is officially a dislocated toe. Which painful, by the way. Not as painful as giving birth. No, I've had a toe problems. It can keep you out a month, too. So there's like a quarterback obviously needs his toe. It didn't say what toe it is, which actually makes a big toe, though.

So it said it's not the big toe. Oh, it's not the big toe. It's not the big toe. So that's one positive. The Jets say avoided serious injury and avoid missing significant time. But Rich Samini and Adam Schaefter of ESPN also say that it could be weeks and they're hopeful he'll be ready for a week once. So the log line is like they don't really know and we're going to see a lot of Tyrod Taylor if you're going out to Florham Park. So as we're talking, I googled. I remember Brian Baldinger telling a story one time about an NFL player with an extra toe.

So of course I did a quick Google story. It's Jordan Milana. It's not a quarterback. It's not Justin Fields. But man, how lucky would that have been. I'm not lucky with that of it. If it's just the toe you don't need. I just feel for Jets fans because why,

why does this happen every year, Greg? Like, again? Literally, Aaron Rogers, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, and Mark Sanchez, Chad Pennington, if you want to go really far back, all had injuries during training camp as,

as like, starting quarterback. Broadway is built on broken quarterback. I'm not going to get freaked out, though, because if he is ready for week one, it's not the big of deal. But it is a guy. It should be toe problem. But it's now you,

You know how crazy New York is as a market? And, like, now it's just one more thing that's putting pressure on this organization. And it's like, oh, my God, could we have just had a great camp where Justin Fields went out there and maybe quieted down some people a little bit? I haven't talked this much about feet since Rex Ryan was there. Hey! Okay, I promise I have some actual response to your great analysis. No, I like that.

I feel myself slowly. My chair is slowly sinking. I don't know if you've noticed this. I've actually sunk several inches since we've started. That is a great advertisement. As long as you don't put your foot up on the table and show us your toes. Oh, my God. Another quarterback did that.

I think I blocked another forward Jets quarterback who was not with them at the time, you know? I feel like Rex was ahead of the game because now they always joke about his foot fetish on the ESPN shows. I believe like that was back when it was almost like, ooh, this is really risque. And now everyone's so sex positive. Like only fans. Is he on there? Everyone's into it. Tonley fans.

Tonley fans. Tyra Taylor. I do have to pay for daycare. By the way. Tyra Taylor is one of the most talented and best backup quarterbacks in the league. If you were just playing one game tomorrow, he actually might be a better option than Justin Fields. But that's not a great thing because I think Justin Fields more than just about any other quarterback in a brand new offense could really use as much time as possible. And Tyrod Taylor has proven, despite my love for Tyrod Taylor, that he can only stay healthy for like one or two.

regular season games at a time at this point of his career. One of the oldest players in the NFL. One of the things that I do like about the way they've built that quarterback's room out is you don't have to stop installing the parts of your offense that you want to run around and through Justin Fields. It sounds like some of even some of the triple option stuff, some of the heavyer personnel stuff that they want to do. Tyrod Taylor is also more than capable of doing that.

It has the experience. So it's not like you're losing valuable install time or practice time as he's out. I, I'm really finding a hard time criticizing or, or being worried about much jet stuff. Maybe because it was so rock bottom just a year or so ago. But I, I mean, we've seen how important training camp is for quarterbacks in new systems. And I understand you, he can still be in the training room and learning the, the playbook and things like that. But like getting the, the rhythm down with his past catchers, like that is what we're losing here. And like, that was part of the reason with Aaron Rogers, right?

Like, he didn't have enough time with them, right? he got injured to, like, really figure things out. And I think that's what the Jets were hoping for. Like, let's start new. Let's get this guy in. Let's build a foundation. Let's build camaraderie between the guys. And now it's like, what was that? Day one, day two. And we're already like, oh, my God. Let's just rattle through some other items. Hasn't been a ton of huge news before we get to a new segment that we're calling the corridor of uncertainty. Love it. And this is a term that is part of the cricket lexicon. I know nothing about the sport of cricket.

I just heard it referred to in context of a cricket conversation, the corridor of uncertainty. And I thought, that's an amazing sports term. And I don't want to know really exactly what it means when it comes to cricket. Write her own definition.

All it would take would be like 15 seconds on Google or Wikipedia, but no, I don't want to know. I'm sure our listeners will tell us if we're using it. But the corridor of uncertainty is coming up. But first we're going to do the first round corner. You know how I know you're a boomer real quick? Because you said you're going to look it up on Wikipedia or Google. Like if you were

a millennial or Gen X, you would say, Gen Z, you're going to chat GPT it. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, but chat. I'm a bad millennial. I honestly, I think let's- nobody uses Wikipedia or Google. Let's normalize shaming anyone that uses chat be cheapety for anything, like as a moral decision. Clip this right now because in five years you're going to be loving chat GPT. I'll shake on it. You're going to text me one day and be like, oh my God,

chat just wrote my entire nutrition plan. Moral stance against it. Why? I'm done with you. By the way, you skipped right past Bennett. You sound like the people who didn't like believe in Bitcoin and they would have been billionaires now,

had they? Yeah, but they're all creeps. Like they're like among the worst people in the world. Our first round corner and that is going to be a little carousel we go through around the league. Just the first round picks making a little bit of news. And you guys can comment on what stands out to you. The most. Jahad Campbell, the linebacker of the Eagles,

who fell to 32 in large part because teams weren't sure if he was going to be ready to play this season because of a shoulder injury. It's already out there. First day at camp, looking really good. He could really improve that defense and possibly even start next to Zach Bond. Liam Cohen, the Jaguars coach said

initially at camp, Travis Hunter is taking one or two days on offense and one or two days on defense. But on those days, he's sitting in the meeting rooms of the side of the football that he's not practicing on, which seems very confusing so that he's getting ready to do both. But sooner than later, he's going to be playing and flip-flopping in practice both on the same day. It's just going to take like a week until he's ready to do that. And then one of my favorite picks in the draft, Walter Nolan, who is a really talented defensive lineman, could

be out all the way into the regular season with a surgery that we weren't aware of. until they had to declare it when he showed up for training camp. So I'm disappointed about that. What stands out of those stories? That really stinks. I did the reason why I did chuckle, and I know that probably sounded insensitive upon first listen, but I put in parentheses in our shared Google Doc,

parentheses, heartbreak for Greg, because he was your favorite player in the draft, and he was a core piece, a young piece of that sort of evolving defensive line mixed together of veterans and younger players who were really supposed to help bring that Cardinals front to life this year. I love that John Campbell is already on the field. we're going to be shaking our fists at Howie Roseman.

Why? How did he do it again? Like, you know, because of this pick at the end of the year. There's a couple other injured guys there too. BJ Ojalari's coming off at Torn ACL isn't ready to go. Bilal Nichols is a defensive lineman ready to go. So I was really excited about their depth, but already it's being tested. Are we going to be able to overcome our chat? Yeah, for sure.

I just asked chat, should I be mad at Greg? And he was like, no, it's just going to take some time. It's not a person. It's just all it is is a collection of Google links. Well, chat doesn't have to tell me this one. I'm most excited about Travis Hunter because it's just fascinating. We haven't had a player like him in a long time in the NFL. And to see him work on both sides of the ball already this, like he said he'll just need a week.

Oh, yeah. Just a week to get ready until he's out there doing both. As you mentioned, he's doing three days of offense, two days of defense in when special teams goes with like the defense when he's on offense. Yeah. Like it's very complicated. But I think the incredible opportunity here. the upside for him, right? Like, if he is really going to be this good, and I think

they, he hasn't reached his full potential, right? What these coaches can do with him was just like a fraction in college. And now he has the help and the training staff and the resources to be a generational player. My concern is the injury, right? When a player is playing that many snaps on offense and defense, how how long is that sustainable before like a major injury happens? I hope it doesn't happen. Right. I hope it doesn't happen. Right. I hope it It's still an unknown, too, that they're sort of charting new territory here. I know that they have new data people over there. Jake Timmy is going to work with James Gladstone over there to really understand what this workload is, what it looks like.

They've been talking to the Dodgers about Shoy Otani. I think they're dabbling into other sports where players play multiple positions at every level. It's super interesting to me. And one thing about Travis Hunter, you mentioned this, Bridget, it's really cool. He was an academic All-American, right? And also, he played at altitude. So I'm like, I love the confidence of him saying, yeah, I'll have it. I'll have the routine down.

Like, I just need to do the job in order to know how to do the job. And like, I love that mindset. I love that mentality because physically, I mean, he's a unicorn. And but he also is a unicorn who trained at altitude and absolutely has the acumen to be able to like just comprehend the magnitude of what's ahead of him. And when you want to know why he's leaning a little more into the offense. A, he I think has more to learn there, according to them. But B, when they line up in three wide receiver sets and he's on defense, it's Parker, Washington, and Diami Brown with their all-world receiver, Brian Thomas.

It's not a great group. I mean, you put Hunter there and move those two guys down a spot each. It suddenly looks a lot better. Going to the quarterback battles, Spencer Rattler was first up in team reps for what it's worth, which is not a ton. Our friend Andrew Siciliano had like a. Instagram video today. It's like, don't overreact to the first day. Like the order, I get that. Kenny Pickett got all the first team reps in Cleveland, but they said they're going to be

switching it up day by day. So you can't really judge it just on one day. But after a couple days, people saying like, Radler does get the ball out of his hands a little quicker. I do think that year in the NFL is going to help him. I'm already buying that he has like a slightly bigger chance than I thought to win that job. What about the Cleveland grouping Bridget? It just, it's kind of shocking to see the backlash maybe of Shador Sanders. Like, I know that we saw it online of like the kind of person he is and he fell in the draft and things like that. But I thought he was going to, because of that, go out in training camp and be lights out. Right? Like, it's early. You guys didn't. What? He had a bad first day or something. Okay. Right. But

again, like as we mentioned earlier, when something goes wrong, all the pressure is going to be that much more intense on him. It's just, it's so interesting with Cleveland because you have four quarterbacks and not an answer. And for Kenny Pickett. to be the one taking first team snaps. Like, I get it. I mean, Joe Flacco is, what, 40 years old up there? Do you think he uses chat GPT? No, I don't know that he knows.

I don't think it's came across his Facebook page yet. Like, chat GPT exists. But you know who uses it? Shador Sanders. Maybe he should use less chat GPT and actually go out there and practice a little more. Anyways, Flacco, he has the experience,

but he's aging. Pick it, unproven. Gabriel, mid-round pick. What do we know about him? Not sure. Shador Sanders, he's exciting, but he didn't, I don't know. Is he exciting? He's raw talent. He's exciting because he's going to bring the fans. If he goes out there, like, he has so many followers, like, whether it's good or bad,

he's going to bring the attention. And if he's good, that's great for the fan base. It might be a negative. That might be a negative when it comes to the coaching staff of they don't want that sort of smoke or. Oh, yeah. What are they, what can they possibly complain about with attention at this point? As long as it's diverting from the multi-million dollar and guarantees elephant in the room. I have a theory that part of the Shadur draft, not only because I do think he has tools. I think he's traitsy.

I said on this show that he reminds me of a way, way, way, way, way back over a decade and a half ago version of what we would see from an early, early, early, early Kirk Cousins. And that's why I like how he fits in this type of scheme. I like his traits. I think he's got a lot of upside. I'm probably higher than most people were through the draft process. and most people are still on him.

I'm also higher on Dylan Gabriel. He throws on time. He's like, Tua, but shorter. Like, that's really the comp here. And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, I cannot wait to see these younger guys start getting more opportunities and more reps. And one of my theories was,

hey, this is a total attention cleanse. Yes, go pay attention to Shudor Sanders and Dylan Gabriel. For the love of God, pay attention to anything else other than everything that's festering for years in that building. That assumes there's some sort of other than the owner just stepping in in round five and being like, take, take Sanders. You no longer have a choice, just like with Deshawn Watson back in the day. But that's just a guess.

A couple other little items was scared about this news when we heard about it on Wednesday, but we weren't sure. So I wanted to wait for an update. Dolphins offensive linemen Bayron Matos has movement in all his extremities after being airlifted from the Dolphins practice on Wednesday. That's all the information we have, but at least it's trending, presumably, towards positive.

So that's good for him. The 49ers, very thin at cornerback. I mean, at wide receiver, rather. They have no one healthy there. A guy named Jacob Cowan, who was getting a lot of, like, pop and fantasy circles. It was a deep threat last year and could be as high as, like, wide receiver two for them

based on, like, all the injuries. Heard his hamstring right away in training camp. And so they were basically down to Joanne Jennings. What's with hamstring? and the 49ers. That's a good point. What's it with the hamstring? In general,

there's like more soft tissue injuries now early in camp. That's part of the reason why they try to start younger. I don't know because that's one of the big reasons why the ramp up period is and why the first few days of camp are so slow in theory, but it doesn't seem to help that much. The dolphins lost some of their cornerback depth with Artie Burns. He is believed to have a torn ACL. Kyle Pitts,

which we didn't know how he was looking because he missed most of the offseason, is practicing fully, taking a lot of wide receiver snaps. The cycle begins anew. The Seahawks, Uchena Nuoosu, could be out all the way into the regular season. That's a starter, a good pass rusher for them,

but they do have their running back. The Seahawks, Ken Walker back, which is really good. And then finally, Matt LaFleur revealed at Packers practice Thursday that, yes, Nathaniel Hackett is back in the league. My name's Nathaniel Hackett. Thanks. It's nice to see you out here. It's just, I just am happier.

I feel like he, um, deserves to be happy and deserves a job. I just want to fly around like a butterfly. Like, he deserves to fly around like a butterfly. You know, it's a Peter principal thing. Like he wasn't supposed to be a head coach, maybe not even a coordinator, but it's good to just see Nathaniel Hackett back where he belongs. I'm happy. He's happy. But it's just interesting.

It's like how I walked back into the studio. Hey, y'all. How you doing? You don't, uh, I can't even like, say this because you don't understand the trend because you're not on the socials. So, never mind. But anyone listening, you know what I'm saying. It's like when you walk back in after being away for a while. I'm, I'm on too much social, I would say. I mean, blue skies turned into a fiasco. Our feeds are very different. Now there's just two Twitters, essentially, which was not what I wanted. And then Instagram. But yeah, that's it.

You're not on the talk. I'm not on TikTok, no. Or Facebook. I've never had a Facebook. Let me just mute myself. So maybe that that means something. That's actually kind of crazy. Maybe. I did. That was a lie. I did for like three months. Then I just deleted it. Did you have MySpace? No, I never had MySpace either. That was before my time. Was it for your band? Was it for your band? Was your Facebook page for your band? No, I just like felt like the general social pressure that just that everyone was doing it. And I was like, this is stupid. Did you give in? Deleted. No, wait, but you said MySpace was before your time. I had a MySpace.

I had a MySpace. You could code it. HTML code it yourself. And you could do your top eight friends. We should do, that's what a segment should be. Myspace, your top eight friends, but your top eight NFL players. He knows, that's a good idea. He's reading it out. And you know what has to go with that? You used to get to put like a song. So when people visited your profile, the song would automatically play.

So it could be like, here's your top eight and the song is like, I don't know, something from cold play. Or yellow card. I had yellow card on lockdown on the top. Yeah. Did you see my Instagram? Yes. Okay.

I thought you were just saying that also. I was like, wait, no, I used to listen. the yellow card. Multiple people used to listen to yellow card. I feel like it was niche. Everyone's putting

like old school R&B and I was like I was a city of yellow card. I grew up in like Desert Rat Warp Tour. Yes. Warped Tour. It was all yellow card.

Did you used to wear the bracelets like the black they weren't like hair elastics but they were kind of like I never did. I had checks I could care less than you think okay sorry.

That was my aesthetic. Guys I'm trying to be a regular on the show. I need to keep it together. Greg, you should write that down. Warped tour. No, that was pop and, you know, even when I was in high school.

So that lasted a while. MySpace, you're right. I was definitely not too young for MySpace. I was in my early 20s. I don't feel like I was that internet. I just wasn't in my early 20s. But the people I'm talking about is going to care about this. And I want to shout them out.

When I did the play caller series, my sound guy on that, Kent Garrison, brilliant, brilliant human. He was in the band, forever the sickest kids. I was like, do we work together now? I think I snuck into a warp tour to see your band. All right. That's the news. Let's take a quick break. We will be back with the quarter of uncertainty. Sorry.

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Welcome. To the corridor of uncertainty. A cricket term we don't really know about. We're not going to check. Chat GPT. On anything. Just something that you're entering this season, and I think we need to embrace that as a society,

of how much uncertainty there really is around us, how little we actually do know. But something that really stands out. out to you going into this season that you just don't know about. You're not picking one side. You're not being skeptical. You're not the only other. You just don't know.

Why don't we start off with you, Jordan? Ooh, exciting. Yeah, so my corridor of uncertainty, and I like that this is neither a good or a bad thing, because I'm genuinely fascinated by the Seattle Seahawks offense this year and what it's going to look like. I don't really doubt the defense. I think they're going to be very, very good.

the end of the year extremely well last year. And this system under Mike McDonald often takes a little bit of time. But they, to me, fast-tracked that pace last year. Clint Kubiak, what has he learned from his time with the Saints? Are there other levels of other evolutions of this offense?

The Saints started out so strong and then completely fell off a cliff. So what now sustains this moving forward? Jackson Smith, Injigba and Cooper Cup, kind of similar players, but how are they going to figure out ways to play them in complementary roles? You know,

this Sam Darnold is a corridor of uncertainty all to himself. It's whole career. Yes, but he's owned that so well, which is great. The offensive line, have they done enough to fix the offense line?

I think it's so great that they have Ken Walker back. A really good running back does not fix an offensive line. Vice versa has to be the case. So this is, pads go on next week for these guys. I love that we're going to keep learning about this team and this completely overhauled identity all in one offseason on the offensive side. I'm fascinated by this. And it's just, they're interesting to me. They're one of the teams that you feel like you have a good sense of what the defense is

going to be, which is not normally how the NFL is. The offenses are more consistent year to year. And I know it's only year two of Mike McDonald. And yet with that personnel and that coach and the way they finish, I feel like we know. And you're absolutely right. Like the variance of what this offense could be it could be bottom 10 it could be top 10 if everything goes well and i i don't know what i would comp it to right because kubiak we know the system that he came out of and we know the coaching tree and and all of that he ran what was a very kubiak coded version of this offense at the beginning of his time in new orleans last season but it has to change and there's also a mishmash of really tenured personnel

in that offensive coaching staff and really interesting ideas. And so how is this going to move forward and become, what are we going to see from Clint specifically? Like, who is this person and how is he going to do something different that will put defenses on a back foot versus being solved

very quickly in the season? And I think we forget that Sam Darnold, that a certain point of last season was in the conversation for MVP. He had a bad game and it came at the worst possible time when they were the last game of the season. I mean, he never should have been to be fair. I would go ahead and disagree with you on that.

But I'm a hater. You are a hater. In terms of getting like a vote where you get five votes, sure. Yeah, sure. Like he, okay, he was better than 25 quarterbacks. I'll put him more than halfway better. I want quarterback to come on quarterback island. That would be fun.

You need to come on quarterback island. I'll start texting him tonight, but begging. No, but let me say my point. I do have brains in here. Not just milk. Okay, let me stop scaring people. No, but seriously, Sam Darnold has a lot of potential. And I remember I covered the playoff game, Rams Vikings,

and I was talking to a lot of his teammates, and they were like, this guy has just been overlooked time in a time, and he didn't do well in that playoff game. But I think that there is a huge upside, and I think he'll do well in a system that wants him, right? They went out and they got Sam Darnold. He was kind of like awkwardly there in Minnesota, and like J.J. McCarthy was supposed to be the guy.

And then he wasn't the guy. Like, I feel like he wasn't fully comfortable. And I'm excited to see, like you said, there's a lot of uncertainty, what his upside can be. And I think we're going to be surprised. I like that you brought up with the receivers. I do feel like I know who JSN is at this point in his career. Jackson Smith, he was getting better and beggar.

But does he really compliment Cooper Cup? And then the rest of the group, like it's pretty wide open. Yeah, they got rid of your boy, Noah Phant, you know. There's not as many receivers there. Jake Bobo is maybe like heavily involved. It's a lot of uncertainty. I would be anxious, but I think it's a great point

that they know they need to make. Like Sam Darnold and this entire regime, John Schneider and Mike McDonald, like they are now tied at the hip. Despite what Sam Darnold's contract, they're trying to like have it both ways that they could get rid of them out of this year. But to me, they're all kind of tied at the hip.

They've got to make this work. Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think like they're, when they really, to your point about Noah Fant, I'm so glad you brought up Noah Fant, Greg. Thank you for that. When they released him earlier this week, it was clear, like, you could see on paper what was super clear. They're trying to increase competition for the guys behind him.

They drafted Elijah Royo in the second round, and then they already had a couple guys there, that they're trying to compete for this job because they need to figure out who tight ends one and two are, because they're going to need two good ones in this Kubiak offense. And then also they're going to need to figure out receiver three and how the layers between JSN and Cooper Cup stacked together. You can have two orbital guys that play that sort of X-F type of role and rotate around each other, almost like a solar system around the quarterback. But you have to have a really clear, cohesive plan for how two similar players can actually functionally do that and all the rest of the pieces around them as well. And I think that this coaching staff and this

team really summed up our feelings of uncertainty as, again, neither a negative were a positive, just uncertain, and no better way than how Mike McDonald actually answered the Noah Fant question, which was total uncertainty in my book. I love Noah, wishing the best, but we also love the guys that are still here, and they know it's at stake, and it's going to be a lot of fun watching that competition in the tight-end room. What happened with Noah? Mike, why release them now? We released them a few days ago.

I'm not going to tell you exactly why. There's multiple reasons. I just love it. I love it. Like, that's just, that just sums it up. He's like 5% more comfortable in front of the microphone this year than he was a year ago, which is still well below, like, the median of NFL head coaches. There's just something about him that stresses me out.

I just love it. They said, I'm not going to tell you. And it's like, we're going to see it. We're going to watch them show their work. And I like that about them as an uncertain team. Love that choice. We have a little breaking news as we're taping this show. Aaron Rogers has been intercepted on his very first.

Oh my God. I thought you were going to say has been injured. You said that too quickly. In team drills. That's just bad vibes. I'm a hater. Caleb Williams was intercepted on his first throw of team drills too. There is something about,

and it's really more the first play of the season that I'm with, there is something about first plays. I do think that's a bad omen for these teams. I don't like it. You spend the whole off season getting ready. They make a choice. Like here's the first play we're going to do. of the practice. And then it's an interception. It's just

bad juju. All right. I'm going to go to my choice for the corridor of uncertainty, one of them. You would make me go last. You can go twice in a row if you want. Okay. You know. There's no worry about the order. I'll go last.

I am very uncertain about the certainty of who the best teams are in the NFL and how much consistency there has been, and it's a real trend, and that everyone assumes there will be moving forward. And by that, I mean the three big teams in the AFC with the great quarterbacks,

the chiefs, the Bills, and the Ravens. And then I would also throw now, you know, the Eagles and the Lions into that mix. And I think if you asked like 20 people, who are the best four teams in the NFL, it's going to be those first four. you ask another 20, I think they'd all say the lions are probably fifth. Maybe there's an order. And that's just not how the NFL usually works. Having, you know, covered it way since the days of Facebook and when boomers were at it, like there used to be so much more uncertainty.

When boomers roamed the earth. Like great teams usually didn't stay great that consistently. There was the Patriots and there was Peyton Manning like Rack. up his regular season wins, but it usually wasn't like this much year after year after year. And so this assumption that all these teams, and I'm not, there's not a team among them that I'm pointing at and saying like, they're not going to be the team that's good. But there's something about all the certainty that's like, okay, pencil those teams into the playoffs that I'm uncertain about.

That's just not how professional football is supposed to work. At some point, this consistency is going to fall apart a little bit. So I had to ask chat, GPT, who the best four teams are so that I had a talking point. Now, this, let me go on the record to say somebody's going to get caught this season on a podcast or a talk show or whatever for not having preparing and asking. Because the problem is, is it pulls from random articles and it doesn't fact check. It's just a Google search that bridge a continent. No, it's not once. Can I tell you the results? First, it said Kansas City Chiefs. Okay, fine. Then it said San Francisco because of Debo. Yeah. Debo's not on the team anymore, chat, GBT. You're proven my point. No, but then I said fact check this. dummy. And he said, Eagles, Ravens, Bill's, Chiefs. Yeah. Exactly what you said. So I don't, there's just something that makes me

uncomfortable about an extremely predictable NFL. If you look, like, look at the AFC divisional round last year. It was the exact same as the year before. Those three teams I mentioned. And then the Texans were back again. And they're the favorites again in the NFCs. Even if you look at the NFC, it's the Eagles who have basically been there. It's the lions who have now kind of established themselves at that team. It's the, it's the Rams who, you know, been around. And the commanders were like, wow, see, there's one surprising team. But like, that's not how it's supposed to go. I need, I need this to be shaken up a little more.

Yeah, but I liked your point that you made at the very beginning of this segment where you, you were talking about if you would ask 20 people, they would probably all have different opinions. Like, I have a different opinion about who I think the best teams are. I think the buck should be in there. Okay. I think the, no, my point was everyone saying the same 40. That's, that's, but I, so you have the bucks ahead of who. Well, I have the reverse opinion. I think that this is a, while we think that these teams, because they actually went out and did the thing last year, yes, of course, we're penciling them in to the top of our list.

That's a natural thing to do. But I actually think if I'm looking at the future, and again, not factoring injuries in for any of these teams, I'm still putting the Eagles on the top. I'm still putting the chiefs on the top. One with the quarterback, with Pat Mahomes, too, it's just the most best built team in football. I'm looking at the long term with all the current injuries,

not future injuries and the coordinator turnover. I maybe would bump the lions down a little bit. Also one of the best built teams in football. I think the bucks are one of the best built teams in football. So you'd have them ahead of the chiefs or the Ravens or who am I forgetting, the bills? I would have the bucks above the lions, but not above the Ravens. Okay, so they get into the five spot. And I think the Rams are up there too.

It just used to be. I know you're all shocked to hear that. No, it just used to be. Don't get me started on the Bengals. I'm like a Bengals stand. I have no reason why. I have no ties to Cincinnati. Oh, we need more of that on the show.

Actually, you should talk nicely about them. No, I just, I just, sorry. For now. I, oh, you guys don't buy into it. Like, I think Joe Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks of our time. Sure. And I think, like, he's just one injury-free season away from winning the Super Bowl. I understand that their team, like, they've lost a lot of good talent.

But I think he's a kind of guy like a Patrick Mahomes that can completely change a season because of his talent, regardless of who's on the first. field. Like, he can make the most of what's there. He just needs to stay healthy. Yeah, they, and Vegas agrees with you. Do that. And, like, the advanced analytics places, like, we're going to have Aaron Schatz on from FDN Almanac.

Like, they all have the Bengals right behind these, these top teams. But, yeah, the thing is, they really have done it. It's not just that we've been pencil in, they've been, like, those three teams in the AFC and certainly the Eagles in the lines the last two years, their rise has been, have been extraordinarily, almost historically consistent. in a way that just teams that weren't piloted by like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning just haven't been over the last 20 years. So we'll see if that gets, the Apple Cart gets upset at all.

All right, you're up, Bridget. It's a very boomer thing to say Apple Cart gets upset. Yeah, can you explain that for us? Back in the old day, I don't know. I'll ask chat later. All right. So what I have coming to you, I'm waiting for the music. Come on, come on.

Do what we don't know this season. is yet to be found out you listen though daily and we'll tell you the answers but for now coming from july 24th this is what we're uncertain about it's the chiefs those red and yellow chiefs Andy with the cheeseburger Patrick Mahomes I'm not going to say anything about him okay for that all right you should be charging for that all right um you should be charging I'm in Surrey about the wide receiver room. Okay. Okay.

Rishi Rice, are we allowed to talk about it? I mean, he's expected to be suspended after being found guilty. You know, he's expected to serve jail time at this point. I didn't know what we can.

Okay. So you said that. I mean, it's officially reported. Okay. I don't like to speak bad. Xavier Worthy. What's he going to do in year two?

And then Jalen Royals, the 2024, 2025 fourth round pick. He's getting first team. team reps as they're evaluating the depth. But I'm, I'm concerned a little bit. But I fear to say that I'm concerned because it's the same conversation every off season with the chiefs. Who's Patrick Mahomes going to throw to? I guess Travis Kelsey slimmed down. He got some hair. He's, I mean, he's in the Taylor world. He's doing great. Like he's always going to. I mean,

his hair is just even better than before. Oh, I was like, did he purchase some? Yeah. We're trying to get Jordan to buy. Maybe Travis can. Um, no, but. Is worthy going to take that? Is it enough? Is it enough? Yeah. Is worthy going to take the leap? Is Royals, like, is he going to be their guy of the future? Like, is he going to step up big and be a fourth round pick, Pooka Nakua type guy? I don't know.

Right. I mean, they have a second round pick that they tried to shoehorn over and over into opportunities that's still on the roster, Skymore, that I don't even think necessarily makes this team. So there's no guarantee, even if it's Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, that he's going to turn these guys. I do think because of bringing Hollywood. Brown back, which I thought was a nice, quiet, like, re-signing for a little bit of money. I'm always defending Hollywood Brown as, like, a useful NFL player. That their wide receiver position is in better shape than it has been.

I think, assuming Rice, you know, is back this season. I assume that if you get suspended, it'll be probably half the season at most. I think it's in better shape than the last few years, at least. The last, really since the post-Tiree Kill trade. I feel better about it. think their team build is really interesting to think about because I think they're just counting on offensive line plus Patrick Mahomes is going to make these guys better. But I do think these guys are a bunch of like good potential two slash threes. And Worthy has has a nice seal. And he did

produce at the end of last year. It looks like to me that they're really looking at explosive plays and team speed. Patrick Mahomes has been shrunk down because of the shells that defenses play against him and he's forced to take the underneath stuff. They're forced to get real creative. Andy Reid has the best screen game in the entire league. They're forced to get really creative with their screens and all the different underneath layers that they can build. You started to see, especially at the end of the season. And I know half of America turned off the Super Bowl in like the second quarter, but you could see that there were some real explosive plays to be had by Xavier Worthy. And I just think that.

that he is going to be a really, really fascinating player for them. And I think that they're going for, again, like this speed and really attempting to poke a needle in the bubble that these defenses are playing over them. And so I think they're trying to build around him. Like, who's going to become the name? To your point, you listed some players who really could become the compliment to him

if you have these two speed rockets going down the field, who is going to draw attention underneath so that those guys get more isolated coverage? I just think that's what you see Andy Reid's, like, beautiful mind working. And basically he's like, I need a puncture, a guy who can puncture the bubble. And that's what I think he's trying to do. To your point, Bridget, this was the exact storyline from last camp was we need to go deep. It is every year.

But especially like the word now throat, it's Patrick Mahomes getting his like groove back by throwing, you know, using his arm again. And that was everything all last August. And then he had 6.8 yards per attempt, which is like, which is like, Alex Smith, not even with the indie radio, it was like Alex Smith in San Francisco. It's kind of shocking that Patrick Mahomes in his prime is averaging 6.8 yards for attempt. It's a little criminal. It kind of, though, goes back to like the good old Patriots and like, sorry for bringing it up. But like Tom Brady, who was Julian Edelman before Tom Brady came around?

Like, I feel like they, you're going to say something. But I feel like they. I mean, he started. I'm looking at you. He was like a Kent State quarterback or something. Yeah. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't have these.

flashy players like you look at we talk about the ravens you we talk about the bengals they have these flashy guys those great quarterbacks don't necessarily need to like they make them flashy by helping them drag them along with them i like maybe it doesn't matter i i am fascinated because i would love to see i'm now i've now seen a bad like a boringish chiefs offense long enough that even though i like like upheaval and you know the chiefs being this good. This every year is on some level, you get a little tired of it. Like, I'm ready to see an exciting Chiefs offense again. I'm ready to see like Patrick Mahomes earn that like number two spot in the best players of the last 25 years. So bring it on. I'm, I'm with it. All right,

let's, you know, I've, I'm making a change. I said you were going to go twice in a row, but this doesn't make sense. So we'll go Jordan and then back to bridge. Yeah. And this one's really quick too. I have uncertainty in a good way because I'm excited to see the thought process. here. It could go very well for some of these guys. It could go horrifically badly for some of these guys who are first year head coaches, Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Kellynne Moore, Brian Schottenheimer, and Liam Cohen. And the interesting thing I want to point out about all but one of these coaches is that they hired very, very experienced defensive coordinators. Steve Wilkes is with the Jets. Dennis Allen is with the Bears. Brandon Staley is with the Saints. Matt Eber Fluse is with the Cowboys.

But Liam Cohen, also a first year head coach and an offensive-minded. head coach hired Anthony Campanelli. And to his credit, Anthony Campanelli is an experienced defensive assistant coach, but has never been a coordinator at the NFL level. And I'm really curious to see how this works, because it seemed like a lot of these first year guys also reflected on their own corridors of uncertainty. What don't I know about this job? What don't I know about doing this? And what do I need taken off my plate by somebody who can manage a defense like its own ecosystem. Yeah. And like Ben Johnson, for instance, has Dennis Allen doing that, who's done that a long time. It did hit me this week as like we had another trope alert

of Ben Johnson, you know, taking his offense off the field, just like he did in the off season. But basically they couldn't, their operation was struggling. So he took, he took them off the field. And then this Jets thing happened this morning with Justin Fields. And it did occur to me with these two lions assistants, like which is stronger? The optimism and the organization of these former Lions coordinators, or just like the history and vibes of this Bears and Jets organization. I have to tell you, though, like, I'm curious what you guys' thoughts are. Like, I don't mind that at all. No, that's great. I love that everybody can get it. If you are with the Chicago Bears, you will walk around the corner and get chewed out by something

if you are not doing it in the correct way by either Ben Johnson or Dennis Allen. Like, this is not a warm, fuzzy situation despite having come out of the Dan Campbell coaching tree at this point. The more I hear trickle out about the bears last season. There is no accountability anywhere on the football side, top to bottom, players, everyone. And so I think this is like, you know, like a really good cleanse or like the first workout back after like being gone or or away for a while. It hurts like a mother, but it's worth it. Need it. You need it. It's like when you're a substitute teacher and you got to walk in and you're like really strict and the kids scare you.

but then, like, day two, day three, you can loosen up. Like, that's what has to happen in Chicago. Like, he needs to come in, and I love that he took the offense off the field and was like, nah, you're wrong. Get the, get the heck off. Like, you need to come in and lay the foundation and say, this is how we're doing stuff. Because if you come in trying to be their best friend, trying to be all happy, like Dan Campbell, I don't believe.

Is Dan Campbell what we saw, the joky, ha, ha, ha. Like, I don't think that's how he started it, right? Like, he'll do that when things are going good. It's easier. But, like, he, yeah, like, he's the guy out there doing pushups with them. Like, that's what. Ben Johnson is trying to install in Chicago. Like, this is how we're going to do things.

You've sucked forever, so we're going to fix it. Like, you want change? Like, this is how it happens. Love that. And I'm going to love this next one. Okay. It's second corridor of uncertainty topic. A lot of questions.

Right down the road from that little White House. With a capital building not too far, a new stadium looming in the city of Washington. Washington, D.C. Jaden Daniels and the Washington commanders took the world by storm at the end of the season. Hail Marys and hellos. But can they continue? Can the offense succeed without him running? We saw what happened with C.J. Stroud in his year two. Is J. Daniels going to have the same impact or is Cliff Kingsbury going to do his magic in the off season? We saw what he did with Patrick Mahomes. We saw him. what he did with Kyler Murray in the beginning. Can he... Wasted them both? Can he do the same with Jane and Daniels?

The blueprint is built, but can they execute it at an elite level? Look, he's going to go into these defenses. They now have tape on him. They have a year worth of tape. In the beginning, in your rookie year, you can get away with a little bit more because people aren't sure what to expect from you.

I want him to be great. Let me put that out there. I'm just a little, like, he's one injury away. He is so mobile. He uses his legs so much. Can they succeed if he's not doing that? And how long is that going to be sustainable?

I think it's a great thing to point out that the first month of the season, I'm fascinated and uncertain to see what this offense looks like, because it will be a 2.0 version of it. Now, his legs are going to be a massive part of it. I don't think that's going away. It shouldn't. It's a superpower. It's just how.

and how that evolves, how that changes, like it did for Lamar Jackson, for instance. There were just like different stages. So I'm really fascinated to see that. My last corridor of uncertainty. That's it. All right. Bye. What?

Okay. Well, we spent like 30 minutes on warp tour. We've done 45 already. All right. Okay, guys. Hey, let me just pack up. I think it's like one of the most uncertain quarterbacks. No, no, no.

Keep going. What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? In the NFL. I see what you did. You sandwich me into the middle so we could skip over. Go ahead.

I just realized we've been honked way longer. What's yours? It's Jordan Love. Oh, cool. All right, guys. Have a good show. A guy who liked Jaden Daniels to me is more certain at this point. Jordan Love, how long has he been in the NFL?

Wait, you wanted to talk more about Jaden Daniels? I'm backing. You go for it. At some point, we just got to move. Tell me about Jordan. Good name. Great name. He should have the you, though.

He is a guy. I've always watched, like, PFF's charting isn't perfect, but they do have a category that NFL teams use similar grading. When they have the big time throws and the turnover where they plays, like those are the plus plus plays that NFL teams use in grading, and it's similar. And I always track that with Jordan Love because to me, he is a boom or bust quarterback.

And yet, if you really watch, like, last year, he really wasn't. I think people have this idea of him throwing off the best. back foot and a gunslinger. Like, if anything, I think they have really struggled to figure out how to turn the dials of how much risk he should take or how much risk he shouldn't take and how he operates and how he just does what he's asked to do or how much he freelances. It was to turn too far the other way that he was kind of a boring quarterback last year. There weren't a lot of big time throws. There weren't a lot of turnover worthy plays either. He was just kind of in the middle. And it gets

me thinking in general his career I feel like he's never really found that balance and that makes me incredibly uncertain because I think he went something like five six straight games before that playoff game without a turnover worthy play he was playing it very safe and then that game

was a disaster where he had four of them where he's making bad decisions bad throws over and over against the Eagles and for that to be the way he goes into his office and he's just to me like he could be an MVP someday or he could be like a below average quarterback and I don't really

I'm not like totally sure which one he's going to be. I feel like year three is the year when we see the quarterbacks either do what you're saying like take that next jump or and I know he's not in year three but this will be his third year starting and I think it's going to be a lot we're going to find out a lot about what his career is going to be this season. Some of that's a push pole with the play caller too. I mean you have to think about it with Matt LaFlor too. He went from coaching and trying to build it like the compromise offense between himself and Rogers where they basically sat over Zoom on the playbook and said, okay, you like this, I like this and let's how can we mash him together? And then Aaron Rogers would go out there and change stuff anyway. And so then now you're

a play caller, you're like, okay, now I've got a quarterback and I'm going to see if I can get him to do the things that I want to do and avoid risk, right? And then now I think you're watching that the play caller has to grow a little bit too. If he wants to kind of unleash the full power and potential of what Jordan Love can be and some of those like high reward throws. Sure, there could be risk involved, but the high reward throws as well and and sort of expand his arsenal a little bit in that regard. I think you have to grow with the quarterback. You have to mold with the quarterback versus kind of vacillating one way or the other too far. I don't think he's, he didn't look like a comfortable quarterback necessarily for it. And I just think

of his career so far. And it feels like this is his third year. But I still do think of it a little bit as his fifth year. I mean, you got to give, he was in the league for two years before he got a chance to play. And he's figuring it out. And if you love quarterback play, it's hard not to love watching this guy. I don't know if Aaron Rogers ever like totally settled on like those levers of how free to play and how not. Like that was a challenge for him. And at points, it made him look like maybe the best quarterback of all time. And I don't know, I don't think Love can get there, but I think he can have some, like, insane seasons. And yet, I'm not sure who he is.

Very uncertain. But I do know, you know, he's very lovable. Yeah. I know that a lot of NFL fans do know about this really cool thing that the Packers do. It's called the Dream Drive where a bunch of kids from all over Wisconsin bring their bikes to the little pathway between the stadium and where players walk to the practice field. It's like the coolest thing every year.

It really, for me, it's the real sign of training camping back. It's the best part of training. Camp and Jordan Love met a young lady named Savannah and that was whose bike he chose and I think we have the video of that. Let's roll Savannah. See if I get my my feet on these pedals here. Try not to crash your bike here. What's up guys? What's up? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Happy birthday. How old are you? Nine. Go Pat go. Go, go. Go Pat go. What's up? You're going break the bike. Don't break the bike's bike. it's the

it was just the cutest thing and it really made me think like this is the best time of year for people who are football fans you go to the training camps you have these really great memories you go with your family or in your case your kids

you will be going with your kids soon you know it's just incredible it's a it's a core memory you're winning the Super Bowl at this point of the year like there's nothing to complain about every team is going to the Super Bowl and we yeah we talk about this on NFL Daily and previously

at around the NFL it felt like it is such an rated fan experience. Even though it's free, like my kids would have more fun going to training camp probably than an average regular season game. Because players are happy. Like, there's no winner loss.

And you're up close. You can actually see them. Now you don't get Jordan Love riding your bike everywhere, but not everyone's Jordan Love. Not everyone's the Packers. The Packers is also like a very special training camp. It is like wide open.

You can tape everything. They get the best like reporting there because they just a lot like, that's football heaven. This was football heaven, Bridget. having you back. Guys, I don't want it to end. Did you do a show on Wednesday?

Was this your first show back? I did the insiders. You didn't watch? I mean, it's a lot of content. The insiders every day. I listen to NFL daily every day. All season. And I have a kid.

Like, what's your excuse? There's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. Thanks for having me on. Name the guest this week. Oh, I already saw him. That's it for today's show. We are going back on Friday.

Aaron Schatz. Aaron's shots. I could have told you that. Well, that's coming up. Yeah, that's, um, we're excited for him. Our guy, the FTN. We'll be back. We'll be going over some teams with surprising. Awkward.

He's in Massachusetts. Okay. He's remote. I was like, not in my chair. Oh, man. When, um, when like a Jets quarterback is getting us all worried early in training camp, football's back. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm

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