NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Kyler Murray's Future and Dolphins-Ravens Week 9 TNF Recap!

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

An authoritative win from the Baltimore Ravens over the Miami Dolphins on Thursday Night Football prompts Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook to revisit Tua Tagovailoa's contract, as well as the current NFL quarterback market as a whole. In this Week 9 TNF Recap, the NFL Daily duo hits the highlights from the night's action, before going deep into the possibilities that QBs like Tua, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones find themselves in new markets next season.  NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Shouts out instructions. Off the playfake. Lamar, escaping the pocket slings into the end zone. Touchdown Ravens! And this time it's a receiver, Rashad Bateman, as the Ravens fans are having a party tonight in South Florida. Oh yeah. The Ravens fans outnumbering the Dolphins fans by the end of this game, 28 to 6. Lamar Jackson with four touchdowns, only five in completions.

That was Jerry Sandusky on WB, A, L, and sometimes shook. Yeah, the broadcasting call is just jumping out of the seat. But that felt very ho-hum because, let's face it, the second half of this game was rather ho-hum. Hopefully this recap will not be, and we're going to have some. some fun on the back end, talking a little bit about the futures of Tua, maybe some other quarterbacks that could be available this offseason. But first, we talk about the return of Lamar Jackson. Yeah, and what a return it was.

You know, he demonstrated his ongoing connection with Mark Andrews, which has been the backbone of their offense for years, a staple in this scheme, whether, you know, it was Greg Roman or Todd Munkin call in play, as he's always been the guy to go to. So, of course, he goes to him twice for the first two touchdowns. And, of course, he schemed up wide open on the second one, a little mesh concept, runs two defenders into each other, Andrew's wide open, easy score. But even then, even with those two touchdown drives,

the Ravens didn't really look that good in the first half. The Dolphins had a shot, and they wasted that opportunity. And once the second half arrived, and there's the Ravens come out of halftime, they just go right down the field, touchdown pass, right down the field again, touchdown pass to Rashad Bateman. Three to tight ends, one to receiver, Rashad Bateman, four total. runaway win.

The Ravens, we've said this before, I guess we'll say it again. They are, they may just be back. They are very much in the running because Lamar Jackson looks as good as he did well before he got hurt. It's so funny because going into this game, everyone's thinking, hey, the Ravens, you know, they're almost the favorites in the AFC North. Meanwhile, everyone's just assuming the dolphin season is over. And yet they both only had two wins entering this game.

And you know what? Sometimes the boneheaded, like consensus just very ho-hum thinking is the right. right one. Yeah, the Ravens are much, much better. It was obvious. And it's a kiss of death. When you dominate half of football statistically against a superior team like the dolphins did in the first half of this game, it was 225 yards to 101 at half time. And you're trailing on the scoreboard. That always corrects. It always corrects in the second half. And you described how it was by the end of the game, you know, even the stats are better for Baltimore. I thought coming out in the third quarter, there was a couple of key sequences there. Number one, on a third and long to start

the third quarter drive, Lamar Jackson actually scrambles. And he really didn't all night. That was about it. And you did wonder if he felt 100 percent. You didn't get to see him let loose on that hamstring very often. But that was one play where he did scramble, picked up the first down, and then they go right down the field and end up with the Charlie Kohler touchdown. Meanwhile, on the other side, the dolphins get the ball back. And this to me was the dolphins in a nutshell, like their season. First down, Jonah Savanea, who's been a disaster this year, one of the worst starting offensive linemen in the league gives up a sack to Travis Jones. Second down, they run it on second and 17 or something, get absolutely nothing,

felt like a give-up play. And then even worse, on third down. to his throwing a checkdown that only would have gotten two or three yards, and that's knocked down at the line of scrimmage. And it reminded me of the Raiders a little bit from a few weeks ago. And I like to call it the, I don't want to be here offense. And the Dolphins fans just let them know, just booing the hell out of them down in Miami. I believe that was the moment in which four fans in the stands put the brown paper bags over their heads, which was a proper response.

The funny thing is, is if you just watched that drive, you thought the Dolphins, that was their offense the entire night, and it wasn't. In fact, at times, they moved the ball effortlessly. They went right down the field. It's just that once they got in or near the red zone, they self-destructed over and over again. You can go all the way back to the first half when they have three points on the board. The game is very well within reach. And it's fourth and one.

They're going to go for it. False start. Backs them up five yards. Fourth and six, settle for a field goal kicker misses the field goal wide. Right. They had multiple pre-snap penalties, delay of games, false starts, every type of procedural penalty that you can imagine they essentially committed they couldn't get out of their own way and even when they found success they found ways to bring themselves in the opposite direction and

hurt their chances they had opportunities and they blew them although i will say the one call on ollie gordon where he was flagged for a penalty that still doesn't make sense to me you could say he was tripping that's maybe what they might call but he slipped and fell and the edge rusher i think it's mike green the rookie leaps right over him and is unbothered and you're And yet a flag comes out, and it wipes out to his best throw of the night, probably their best scoring opportunity. And it felt like from there, they were cooked. Yeah, that was a 50-yard completion to Waddle.

Even that play, though, which was a positive play, yeah, that was what I watched on the, you know, Prime Vision. And that ball took forever to get there. And you're kind of thinking, man, if someone else would throw it there, that thing's a touchdown. A little less air. And Waddle does not have to jump up for it in a contested cat situation. But you're absolutely right.

When the team isn't struggling, in that pre-snap penalty made McDaniel lose his absolute mind, they're getting bad luck on the tripping. And then it's also bad execution. And then sometimes it's just an absolutely weird play call. Let's actually listen to the Tua incompletion to Devin A-chan on one of those fourth downs. was a fourth and two later in the game. Back to throw looking to his right. Gipson, corner end zone.

Oh, my God. A-chan was covered by Hamilton. That was a discommunication. Somebody was not where they needed to be. Boy, you come away with no points after another. Nice drive. Wow. That was Jimmy Cephalo and Joe Rose on WBGG.

And, yeah, you mentioned all the different ways that they managed to blow things. They were inside the 31-yard line of the Ravens six times tonight. Yeah. They got six points. That was one of them. It's a zero blitz and they don't have a better call or a better option for Tua who had time than throwing like a slot fade to A-chan who basically gave up on the route and against Kyle Hamilton. But none of that was good. None of that was good. I have so many thoughts about this play. I understand why you go for it here. Ideally, your kicker makes Field goal, it's 14 to 9. Maybe you settle for a field goal to make it 14 to 12.

But you realize this is maybe your best scoring opportunity, at least to this point in the game. You're going to go for it. Okay, gutsy call. Modern football, we're all on board with that. What we're not on board with is putting a running back in the slot and running a slot fade to him. He doesn't even know how to run a slot fade as evidenced by that play.

I mean, he never even makes it to the end zone to try to catch that ball. And Mike McDaniel just looks up toward the canopy that they built over Hard Rock Stadium. Such a nice renovation they've done. and just probably wondered, what, what did I do to deserve this? Why am I being forced to put a running back in the slot and he doesn't know how to run the route? What more can I do? And responsibility falls on him for putting A-chan in that situation

and asking him to do that, but also this is professional football. And if that's the best thing that you can put out there, just kind of illustrates how bad of a situation your team's been in. Yeah, when I look at their offense and I think about them moving forward, like A-chan's a good player. You know, he ends up with 102 yards from scrimmage. His explosiveness is awesome.

Jalen Waddle continues to produce without Tyree Kill there. It's six catches for 82 yards, and it would have been much more if not for that bogus. Tripping penalty, but I just think the Dolphins fans are so sick of watching this offense, which are just the same timing in cuts to Waddle over and over. And the timing wasn't perfect tonight. There were drops by other receivers,

Malik Washington. with a couple fumbles in this game so that, you know, it was all bad. You can't just pick on one particular thing. I thought actually in the first half, they ran the ball very well. And as you mentioned, like, we're moving the ball well against this Ravens defense. Let's, let's give the Ravens a little more credit. So actually, you spoke about that second touchdown to Andrews, which was, yes, it looked like a simple throw because the two, you know, defenders ran into each other.

I thought it was another good game out of Todd Munkin, two straight, clean weeks from this Ravens offense. The running game took a little while to get going, but Derek Henry ends up going over 120 yards with a big second half. So that looked like a lot of Ravens games from a year ago, slow start, but finished well. But I thought this was a beautiful throw still by Lamar Jackson. And yes, it was great to see all three tight ends with multiple catches. Let's listen to the second Andrews touchdown. Play clock in one. Lamar takes the snap deep drop lost it from the 10 caught Andrews in touchdown Ravens

two for two for Mark Andrews a 20 yard throw catch and run and the rust is gone for Lamar Jackson that was a beautiful throw yeah one thing I'd like the last couple weeks is everyone's gotten involved Andrews is a little more juice I than I expected maybe the Dolphins defenders are just slow. Isaiah likely, a lot of juice on one of his long yards after the catch play. And then Zay Flowers with a big play down the field, Bateman got that touch. And so I just like, they're spreading out. I'm not going to overreact, but hey, Nick, like, their B game is all they need to do potentially to go on a long winning streak. As long as the defense is just okay and normal, like they don't have to be great. Just be okay. Then I think the offense can play

this sort of B game and potentially rip off a long winning street. Yeah, there were a couple differences in this game tonight versus how they've looked with Lamar out. And obviously, the return of Lamar Jackson alone opens up so many options for you. But like that play in particular, like it's a mesh concept, but the reason that it becomes a touchdown is because Andrews is able to deepen his route. It's not just like a flat drag. He's getting 10, 15 yards down the field when he's catching that ball. And because the defenders ran to each other, he's got a bunch of green grass to run through to get to the end zone. That's like, that's just a good, you know, design, right? But then you also look at the

defense and you think about the players that they have missed. When you watch them tonight, they did a really good job up front, plugging up gaps, eating up blockers, and allowing Roquan Smith to just play really well. He was there to make a lot of key tackles, key stops. He fights through multiple blocks, shuts down a screen early in the game, shuts down a running attempt later in the game. Like, he's been playing really well over the last couple of weeks, which is a boon for them as well. And then, you know, they talked about it playing in the broadcast. We've heard it all over the place. You know, the acquisition of a Loe Gilman allowed them to move Kyle Hamilton around, which he played in the box a lot tonight. But he's also

making plays all over the field. Then you got Malachi-Starks picking off to a Tung of Iloa downfield. Like, you're starting to get some of these guys back. The defense is starting to come back together and against a team like the Dolphins who did move the ball well on you and weren't able to get it done, a lot of self-inflicted wounds. You're still the beneficiary of that. The question is, going forward,

when you try to compare week to week, the quality of opponent. Like, we look at the Raven schedule. Why could they potentially make this a run? They play the Vikings, whose offense has been dormant for a while. They play the Browns, who were one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They play the Jets. Same story, save for last week. They play the Bengals, also the same story.

That's their next four. And then they play Pittsburgh, and that's their first, like, big game in that stretch. I can see them winning all four, even if they just play like they did tonight. A B game tonight probably wins all four of those games. Maybe the Vikings game is close. Maybe the Bengals game is close because of the division rivalry. But ultimately, if this is all you have to do, if this is what you can produce in your sleep on a week-by-week basis, we're going to look at it real quick, and they're going to be seven and five.

Yeah, I want to see Lamar kind of let it loose in terms of how he plays as a runner. I'm curious how the defense is going to play against better competition. We'll see where the Vikings are at for that game. The Bengals offense is certainly playing better. I am worried that they had like a 14% pressure rate against the Miami Dolphins. I know it's tough sometimes because Tua gets rid of the ball so quickly. But that was the weakness last week, too, against Chicago. They just don't have one-on-one pass rush wins.

Kyle Van Nuoy had like one tonight. Mike Green basically didn't have any. They're not a team that gets a lot of pressure. So if you're looking for a fly in the ointment, that's it. But I'm so glad you pointed out, Roke-Lonsmith. That's the number one difference right now. He just changes their team. He did not look healthy and he was not an effective player before he went down with that injury.

And they sat him down. In the last two weeks, he's been the best player on the field. And that's a field with Kyle Hamilton, who's also being a bigger factor because of where they're using a Lowy Gilman, who had the greatest thing that can happen on the field, which is he blew his assignment near the goal line, and he let, who was it, Malique Washington, get wide open, and then he realized that he blew it, and then he ran over, and he knocked the fumble out.

So it's like, you know in the middle of that play, oh, I blew it, and then you run over, and then you save the day, and you get the turnover. So good job by Eloy Kilman on that play. But good point there on Roquan. I think that's so huge. Yeah, yeah, and that's the difference that they can make. Now, you don't want to necessarily live on those

thinner margins against better teams, but all we need is a demonstration that you can kind of work toward that goal. And I think that that's what we've seen from this defense over the last two weeks. I mean, I think back to the Chicago game, they had a key interception that set up a touchdown that flip that game on its side and put the Ravens in a position of command. And they've been making those plays over the last two weeks. So it's only, it's a small sample size. Only one game back with Lamar. By the way, did you get nervous like I did when he did run tonight, like especially in the fourth quarter,

he had a couple of scrambles where I'm like, A, why is he still in the game and B? Oh my God. Like, uh, uh, be careful. Why is Derek Henry getting five carries up 28 to 6 just so you can go over 100? But then he went over 100 and they gave him like three or four more carries.

Just just why? Just don't stop. Yeah. Not necessary. We don't need this. All right. Good game. And, uh,

yeah, keep an eye. Teddy Buchanan spelled T like Teddy, but with an E on the end, which I like. He's kind of stabilized the line back. position too he's actually looked pretty good i think next to rocon so that's like another change that they've made throughout the course of the season that's good meanwhile the bit the dolphins i mean they've

been done would they consider changing coaches with this little extra time we'll see they have buffalo next week with at home which is another opportunity to give up a lot of points and to get a lot of booze at home that that's potentially another spot they have three more island games this year I apologize to the citizens of Germany. We're sending commanders' dolphins there, unfortunately. And they have back-to-back primetime games Monday night, week 15 against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. They can flex Monday nights. Now, would they flex it when it's like one dead team versus a good team?

They might not do that, but they should consider it. And then here's a game that is getting flex. Sunday night football, Dolphins, Bengals in week 16. There's no chance that that game is kind of... I mean, unless the Bengals found themselves in playoffs. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, you're right.

They're going to do better than that for Sunday night football in week 16. The return of Joe Burrow? No, that's too good a week. Okay, you mentioned Joe Burrow. Let's talk about another quarterback to a tongue of I low. As I'm watching this game, my mind starts wandering. As I'm looking through some of the news that's coming out of Arizona, my mind starts wandering to the quarterback market for 2026.

I personally don't think Tua is going to be for sure on this Dolphins team. I think he'll be available at the very least. Let's take a quick break. And on the other side, we're going to talk about Tua. We're going to talk about Kyler Murray. And, yeah, we might even talk about my boy, Gino. Who could be available this off season? It is Matt Jones.

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Jacoby Brissette in the portion of practice that the Arizona Cardinals writers were able to witness was throwing the ball to the starters, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, et cetera. Kyler Murray, in the portion of practice that reporters were able to watch, was throwing passes to backups and like scout team guys. Okay. Kyler Murray listed as limited on the injury report. We thought he might be fully back this week. he's listed as limited.

You know, insert Brian Winhurst conspiracy fingers here. I don't think this is even much of a conspiracy. The Cardinals do not have Kyler Murray speak to the media today. He was scheduled to speak to the media. They tell the media that a quarterback press conference at a future date this week will occur. Hosted by quarterback. By the way, for what it's worth, the last couple of weeks when Jacoby Brissette did start.

He did its press conference later in the week, like so. It sure sounds like Kyler Murray is getting what I like to call the old J.J. McCarthy, a little soft benching here. That's what I'm calling it. And I'm curious about your thoughts there. And we can get into the long term of it all. But maybe let's start with the short term of it all with what's going on with the Cardinals here. Oh, Kyler, you're still a little banged up.

you know, why don't you take another week off? You know, we're offense is kind of doing better with that. Why don't you take another week off? We're trying to get a win here. How about consider these stats from NFL research? Jacoby percent at a 65 completion percentage, average nearly 300 passing yards per game, four to one touchdown to interception ratio,

98.9 passer rating as two starts. He had over 275 passing yards in each of his two starts. Tyler has not broken 220 passing yards in any of his games in 2025. Arizona averaged 20.6 points per game with Kyler Murray in the lineup and under 300 yards per game. Weeks 1 to 5. 25 points per game, 365 yards per game with Jacoby Percette. The numbers tell you what the eyes already told you over the last two weeks, which is that this offense has been better with Jacoby Percette at the controls. Now, this is a team that if they got to third and long, which was a common occurrence with Kyler at quarterback, they were pretty

much doomed. You go back to last year, same story. They lose James Connor weeks ago. Running game, a struggle. That usually would insulate Kyler in these situations. They have a better offense with Jacoby at quarterback right now, and they are a team that needs to win a football game. They are two and five. They are playing a Dallas Cowboys defense that can't stop a nosebleed. Interesting. Why not keep Jacoby in and maximize your potential against a bad defense? That's, I, I am on board with the soft benching. It's weird how it was described today. We are preparing Kyler as the starter.

But you're not going to say he's the starter. So what's the point? And if you're preparing him as the starter, why is he running with the twos? So I, you know, I'm hearing from a lot of Cardinals fans or just general fans on Twitter. It's like,

oh, he's just doing a smokescreen. It's going to be Kyler. Hearing from others that it's the opposite. it like he's just trying to keep it vague but yeah it'll be Jacoby like but Kyler's hurt they've indicated the last couple of weeks that they thought Kyler would be back for this game he literally was on the practice field before the last game which was before the buy week for them this is at an absolutely crucial moment in this entire regime's run year three when it needs to happen and they have a quarterback that they inherited with a massive contract.

And look, I know he got that contract when they arrived, but he was there before they arrived. And you have an offensive coordinator in Drew Petzig, who's familiar with Jacoby, and there was a lot of confidence. Jordan alluded to it when she went to Cardinals training camp earlier this offseason. I mean, you know, in camp, like how much they like Jacoby Brissette. I just think it's telling and it's a huge. huge moment for this entire regime because they're saying when the chips are down like this is who we

want this is who we trust to turn our season around to save our jobs and oh it doesn't hurt that they're against the cowboys on Monday night either I mean like the whole country's going to be watching and we're playing this cupcake defense I mean that would be a soft landing for Kyler to return so I think that says a lot and now I want to pivot to the long term of it all because I think the Cardinals are a good team that could get back in the mix, but the NFC is deeper. This isn't the AFC. It's going to be a tough road to get all the way back with their schedule. It's a brutal schedule. I don't think Kyler Murray is going to be on this team next year. And so that immediately makes him, in my mind, looking at the landscape, the most intriguing quarterback

that could be available. The draft doesn't look as frisky, although obviously those guys are going to be interesting. And then the free agency and trade market is never great. And we'll talk about a few guys. I think two is one of them. But I think, I think personally, Kyler would have a lot of value. Do you agree? I think it's about fit. Like, you have to think about suitors. How desperate are the suitors? First team I think of was the Browns. Like, I wrote some down. That's one of them. Are they interested? Are they interested in Kyler Murray? I mean, that's not a quarterback that necessarily fits the dynamic or the style of offense that Kevin Safansky runs. In fact, Jacoby percent ran it pretty well.

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think that's a fit. No, but yeah, I think he's going to draw some, any quarterback with any sort of history of success, whether it's one year or, you know, sprinkled in success here or there or high and low moments, which is the latter is basically Kyle Murray's career, is going to command interest because there are never 32 solid jobs. There are never 32 confirmed starters in the NFL. There's always interest somewhere. So, yes, I think he will draw interest. Yeah. And I think he is a better option than plenty out there. He's only 28 years old. He's shown a level of success for extended periods. The problem is he hasn't struck it over a cold season. He'll have a hot month. They'll have a hot half season. But at a pretty high level, the skill set is obvious. I think there's concerns about how he leads. Patrick Peterson, his former teammate, has voiced those concerns when he was on the team. And now he's voicing him as part of the media. that he doesn't think that he essentially rallies the troops enough and gets the buy-in from his teammates

in the way that Patrick Peterson would like to see. That said, sometimes a second chance in a new place, we've seen it with good quarterbacks. Like, it was poisoned for Darnold. It was poisoned for Baker. Gino Smith took a while to get going. Daniel, like, I think it just could be good for him. If he's going to have success, maybe it's going to be somewhere else.

where he's out from the pressure and everything that's happened since he's been the number one overall pick in Arizona. I need to know the teams now because I'm thinking about all those quarterbacks you just listed in. It doesn't work for Baker

if he doesn't go through it. It doesn't work for Sam if he doesn't have that year in Minnesota. I need to know the teams. Okay. Well, there's Miami number one. That's going to be tricky because if we'll get to Tua,

but they'd have to take on some dead money. Could you, by the way, could you imagine a scenario in which Stephen Ross doesn't fire Mike McDaniel at all and just like decides to swap quarterbacks because that would be absurd. In fact,

and watching, it was hilarious watching the Chris Greer shots that they were trying to show, but it was like behind a post. It was like, I'm hiding from you. I know you're there. Point the camera at Dan Marino. He's wearing a cool, teal jacket. Right, because, you know,

the blame pie can go around. And I think considering the fact that the dolphins haven't won a playoff game in 24 years, was it? And that's the longest of any team in the NFL. I mean, I think the blame pie has to start at the very top because that's the most, common, the thing that's run through all those years. But Chris Gere has been there basically that whole time, too, by the way. He hasn't been in charge the whole time, but he's been in

charge for a while. So I think you go to the very top, and then I think you go right under him, and that's Chris Gere. So McDaniel would be lower for me, but I assume they're going to blow up the whole thing. So there's Miami. That one could be tricky. There's the Saints. Our friend Adam is immediately like, don't put that stink on me. I was like, you should be so happy if you could get Kyler Murray. He'd be the best post-brease quarterback you've had. It's got to be better than whoever you find for next year. You should be happy with Calais. With Kellynne Moore, I don't mind that. I don't hate that. I could see that. The Raiders, I think, are going to be in the market for a quarterback. I don't know what's going to be

going on there, but Gino Smith, you can get out of that contract, unless it changes, I think they're going to be looking. I can't you just see that? Can't you just see Kyler Murray in the Silver Black? Yeah, I mean, in the Silver Black, yeah, but the Raiders are like very radioactive to me right now. So that's just, I don't think it's not going to be good for him. And also, I think Tom Brady's kind of making quarterback judgments, recommendations. I don't think Kyle Murray. I don't think he would lean toward Kyle.

The Jets could be looking for a quarterback. You know, Justin Fields is on a two-year contract, but certainly they could be looking for an upgrade. You mentioned the Browns. After that, it'd have to be more of like a surprise team. Could Jacksonville be looking for a quarterback? I don't know. Once we get further down the list, it gets into just bigger surprises.

But he'll have a market, I think, and the contract is reasonable. $36 million, depending on which part of the roster bonus when it's paid, something around $32 million has already been guaranteed. That's fine. Like, you would take that. There's really nothing past next year. So it'd be a one-year trial and you see what happens with Kyler-Marie. I think it'd be interesting.

I think he has a chance. I'm planting my flag. I'm thinking back a few years ago to when he got this contract and then there was all the drama and he cleared his social media and all that stuff. And it's kind of crazy how when time passes, suddenly those contracts that seem so bloated and could be an albatross in future years,

the way they're structured. You're like, nah, you know, they can get out of it. It's fine. It's totally feasible. We talked about this. We set this stage going into the season. We felt like the Cardinals' 2025 season was a, a judgment of Jonathan Gannon,

but more importantly, a judgment of the future with Kyler Murray and whether he'd be there or not. So now that we've arrived to this point, I'm not at all surprised. Yeah, I think it could definitely happen. And it was a really interesting time when, if you think back to it, because that was 2022,

and like, they were under a lot of pressure to commit to him. But then you look at this Gannon, you know, regime, and the general manager, you know, precedes Gannon there. And it was believed there was some pressure, you know, coming from ownership, too. And so he never has exactly been the Cardinals guy in terms of their general manager. Anyways, okay, let's move on to Tua.

I was trying to think of Montya Ossin for its name and it was just like double-checked when he was there. Man, I think they got to get out of this Tua business. He doesn't make sense without McDaniel. I don't think Mike McDaniel is going to be there. he has a lot of guaranteed money next year, $54 million guaranteed, almost nothing after next year. But I at least think they would check around to see if there was some sort of market for Tua. It's all going to depend who's running the show there.

But I just don't think it's going to happen. I think he's a limited quarterback. And I would pay to get out of the Tua market, eat the dead money in the short term. you actually save money in terms of the salary cap next year if you trade him despite all that guaranteeing money accelerating they would save money against the cap by trading him and with that in mind if they would take on some of the money then I think another team would be interested me maybe the Vikings would be interested in a 1B like you just just throwing different names out there yeah if the McCarthy thing continues to be a mystifying experience as it's been so far but yeah you're

Right, because they're 11 in the red right now, and they would clear 13-4 on a trade with him next year pre-uh, I think that, yeah, pre-June 1st, right? So it's, yeah, I mean, no, they'd clear 11. They'd clear 11, which would get them out of the red. They'd carry 45.2 in dead. It amounts somewhat to the Broncos getting rid of Russell Wilson. And I think if you're going for a regime change and an identity shift away from this creative, motion-heavy offense, we're going to throw it all over the yard, yada, yada, yada. like Tyreek Hill, he's talked about potentially retiring. Like if he retired now, he'd be fine with it.

Like a lot of change is coming to this team, and I think it's necessary. And I think it should involve your quarterback, not to just be like a guy who agrees with everything you say on this specific episode, but like the proof is in the tape. Now, I will say there have been games where he's been very good. There have been games where he's been very bad.

Tonight was neither. He was average and his teammates let him down. But if you're changing your identity, you're right. Tua does not fit. the only worst place to be though than where they're at right now is a team with no identity and no quarterback and that's the big risk you take he wasn't great tonight but i think tonight was a perfect example of he looks i think he just has a limited skill set i don't think he's great adjusting after this now he has to do a few certain things well he doesn't certainly doesn't create plays on

his own and doesn't have a huge arm and it's probably more likely because of the contract that he will be there with either a rookie or someone that he's competing with for one last year. But I just am of the mind that if it's a new head coach, like, don't waste that year. We see teams do that all the time. And even if that's likely to happen, I don't think it's a particularly good idea. By the way, I just do, I did want to make a correction. Austin Fortin Gannon did completely inherit Murray. And what I was thinking about was when they were hired.

Remember, they made the big show of really embracing him. And the timing was really confusing because they had just signed Murray to that big contract the previous summer before Kingsbury gets blown out, you know, in the middle of that season. So the timing was tricky, but remember, they went to Oklahoma and went to watch his number get retired. And it was a big, they were trying to really embrace him, even though that wasn't their guy. And I think they've tried to make it work, and it just hasn't. And that happens. You know, both of these players just, and I think there was probably more ammunition behind, signing Kyla than there was, Tua.

But we have found ourselves in this strange position in the NFL these days where the contracts get bigger and bigger and teams, there's a lot of confirmation bias within these front offices if the front office that drafted the guy is still there. You see that across a lot of different positions, but especially at quarterback, three guys come to mind that have signed these big deals because they were due and there were questions.

Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence. Two of those guys could be facing a new home next year, as we just discussed. We'll see what happens with the Jaguars. But last year, it felt like maybe Trevor was headed that way too. Weird, weird time in the NFL to be in a position where you've got to pay big dollars to a guy that you might not be 100% convinced as your guy. Well, in a weird time, and I've always thought this, that the 14th best quarterback in the league gets a pretty close to the same contract as the best quarterbacks in the league.

Like, Jimmy Garapolo has been the highest paid quarterback in the league. Trevor Lawrence has been the highest paid quarterback in the league. Tuatungo Vailo has been the highest paid quarterback in the league. It's a weird system, and it always makes me think that the most underpaid and best value players in the NFL are like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Because it's like, why are they the same as Tua? And if there was no salary cap, they'd all be making $150 million a year. Or defer their contract like Shohei Otani. Right until they moved to Japan after their careers.

I think Gino could be available, by the way, too. And then a guy who would be on MVP ballots if the MVP was voted for today and we'll be doing our mid-season awards next week. Daniel Jones, also a free agent. I don't list him and want to even really go too deep into him because if he continues on this trajectory, there's just no way the Colts are going to let him go. He'll be franchise-tagged.

They'll figure out a contract, but teams do not let players like that go if they don't want to and there's no reason why he would want to go anywhere anyways and they are

fortunate but they also deserve credit for taking that swing on him because there's been a lot of teams whose first round pick flames out and they have nowhere else to go and that's the track

they were on and they were just like you know what we need to bring in competition for Anthony Richardson there's been a lot of those situations or going to bring in competition

and it doesn't produce anything this happened to produce the perfect scenario for them where they could just be like, yeah, Anthony, just stay over there. We got a good thing going here. We'll pay this guy. I did the Lockdown Vikings podcast earlier this week. Check that out with Luke Braun. And we were saying they had a chance to do that perfect scenario themselves and just pay a few more dollars for Daniel Jones. And they probably would have had to promise

him a real chance to win that starting job. And I don't think they were ready to do that. And maybe J.J. McCarthy will prove this all stupid. And maybe Daniel Jones will have a Sam darn like end to the year, which will complicate matters for the Colts. But the difference is the Colts don't have anyone waiting in the wings that they're going to have faith in. So I think Daniel Jones is going to be there unless the wheels came off really hard. Don't think that's going to happen. All right.

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