NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Lamar’s Timeline, The Most Messy Fun Team in the NFL and Calais Campbell Joins the Show!

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue preview the Thursday Night Football matchup between the 49ers and Rams. First, Gregg and Jourdan get you caught up on the news from around the NFL including an update on Lamar Jackson's injury (01:36), Joe Alt's status going into Week 5 (05:00), and a check in on A.J. Brown and the Eagles (07:00). Up next, Gregg and Jourdan tell you why the Jaguars are the most messy fun team in the NFL (09:35) and preview the Week 5 TNF matchup (25:42). Finally, Jourdan wraps up the show with Walter Payton Man of the Year and Cardinals DE Calais Campbell (34:42). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to talk about who we think is the most messy, fun team of the year. We're going to do some news. We're going to preview TNF. And we're going to talk to one of our favorite players in the NFL. We're not going to. Jordan is going to. Callais Campbell is coming up on the show. How is everything on the home front, Jordan?

You know, your chair was super high for whatever reason. I don't know. I'm sitting in it right now. I had to lower it a little bit. Otherwise, we're cooking over here, Greg. I am really excited, and I like having a little extra pressure. It's why doing like anything live is fun. You can't mess it up.

Well, in this case, our listeners will know that Callais Campbell is arriving shortly. And so that means it's a challenge to the two of us, Jordan. We can't honk too much on this. NFL daily. We have to, you know, get to the Callias Campbell portion or else they'll just like boot me out of the chair. They actually will revoke my work visa here in the UK. So why don't we do some news? But what we're going to do is we're going to put a timer on it, a mental timer. Eight minutes or less, we will do this news. And unfortunately, we got the news that Lamar Jackson is going to be out most likely this week, according to the Baltimore Sun. Now, we're taping this on Tuesday afternoon. As of this point, NFL network and ESPN, I find it interesting, have not reported this, but it is a trustworthy local source. The Baltimore Sun believes that it's unlikely Lamar Jackson plays this week against the Texan,

that his hamstring injury could be a two to three week injury. They have the Texans and the Rams before their by week. We'll get quickly to all the other Ravens injuries, and there is a lot. but this Lamar Jackson one is different, Jordan, and it just makes you wonder where this Raven season is going. Yeah, and there were no updates earlier in the week either from John Harbaugh, which always to me is not only an ominous sign,

but a sign that's the nature of the injury itself. Hamstrings are so fickle. And even when you do come back, you're still watching it, monitoring it being the sensitive soft tissue issue injury that it is. I mean, I am concerned about this. And even when he comes back, I will remain concerned about this down the stretch for Lombo. Mar. I can see what you're doing. You feel that timer in your head. We should just do this every week. So look, I'm just joking. The rest of the Raven situation is such a nightmare. So since we've, you know, last talked about all the injuries, you guys did a great job on the recap show, but we're focused on those, you know, somewhat disappointing Monday night games. We learned Namdi Matabike is out for the rest of the season officially when John Harba was asked about his neck injury.

being career threatening, he said that Madabweke would have to address that. So that's really concerning for a great young player who signed a big long-term deal and is a huge part of that team. On top of that, we learned Roquan Smith and Marlon Humphrey, two of their best starting defensive players, are out at least multiple weeks. And Broderick, Washington, who already was out of the lineup, is moving to short-term injured reserve. So I think the question is basically just, can they win a game

before this buy week you kind of look at this by week it's three weeks right now until after the buy they're home for the Texans and the Rams can they win one of those games because if they can't

with Cooper Rush potentially starting at quarterback and all these defensive players out they would be one and five going into the buy and the whole structure of this season in the AFC North would just look different yeah it's I think the statistical probability

even if you start one and four it's something like 3.2% of actually having a chance at making it to the postseason. Now, we've seen the Lamar Jackson Ravens pull off some miraculous things. That's why it all hinges to me on how fast can Lamar get back into the lineup. And do they look at the biweek? I know the reports are saying two to three weeks and I am not going to question other people's reporting, professional journalist reporting, but something in my back of my mind

is thinking, could it actually be longer simply because they're eyeing that by week and thinking we're just going to try to roll with what we have? and try to fully load back up as best we can with as many of these guys as possible, including the quarterback after the by week and hope that it's not a one in five start for them. We'll see what happens with this Steelers season, but you look at the rest of the division, no, Joe Burrow, and you think, okay, maybe there is a path here to at least, you know, being better than the Bengals and the Browns, certainly.

Okay, you obviously talked about Tyree Kill. We knew the injury was that serious with the dislocated knee at the time you guys were taping. So not much more to add there. There was a report this morning that it will be torn ligaments on top of the injury that he had a dislocated knee.

So the future of his time in Miami obviously is up for grabs. His future in the NFL, unfortunately because of an injury like that is up for grabs. Some injuries that we did get more specific updates on on Tuesday, Joe Alt will be out

multiple weeks for the Chargers with a high ankle sprain that was the fear when he went down. And that's a situation, Jordan, where now, you know, Mackay Beckton might be returning, but they are without both their starting tackles. And the guys that were there last week didn't play that well, even the ones that were starters previously.

And McKay Bechtin has been in the concussion protocol. And so rushing a guy back out of that, you're obviously not trying to do that. You don't want to do that. But the Chargers, I mean, this was scary right from the jump, Rishon Slater. was like this optimism started to build with Joe Alt playing so well there at left tackle. You know, you worry about this team.

They can run the ball well. They looked like they could last week. Can they protect Justin Herbert adequately with him playing at an MVP clip so far this season? This is a big hinge point for the Chargers season so early in the year, in my opinion. Sometimes it's really important who you get at, you know, when certain injuries hit. So they get the commanders who have been rushing the passer better this year until that Atlanta game. then they have the Colts which is a tough matchup then they have the Vikings so that could be

in the Joe Alt window we'll see when he gets back the Raiders lost their left tackle also to a high ankle sprain and then rap sheet reported that it's a fracture for Colton Miller on top of the high ankle sprain so he is going to injured reserve he was easily their best offensive linemen so that's just more bad news for an offense that doesn't need it

and then we will wrap our news with our weekly check-in with Nick Siriani A.J. Brown and the most unhappy four-and-o team in the NFL. Take it away, Nick. He wants to contribute into these wins. And he's had a couple games where he hasn't been able to,

you know, and for different reasons of why we have in these games. So, but I question nothing about, you know, his desire to play great football, his desire of being a good teammate, his desire to be here. This has been bubbling since the end of last year, Jordan. A.J. Brown sent out a tweet on Sunday night that said, if you're not welcomed, not listen to, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way,

which I am reliably told is a from the Bible. It's a scripture. Your thoughts on a team that's like unhappy, even though they're four and out. Don't make a scene posts on social media. You know, it's just. So you knew this was going to happen. Like you see him not getting targeted. Then you see him getting sort of force fed targeted

in the second half of that game and coming away with another low production day. I mean, this is one of the best players in football. And Zach Berman, my colleague at the athletic, noticed this. He is so savvy. He's so media savvy. And he knows exactly what he is doing when he does all of these things.

And yes, and Zach allowed this too, yes, he should be getting the ball more. this is an Eagles offense that is somehow like putting up these crazy single half numbers crazy in a bad way in some of these halves of football and yet still the most dominant team that's playing right now it's just you know it's starting early this year Greg that's all I'll say about that for now and I wonder if he's speaking for Devante Smith a little bit too just listening to Zach's coverage I think both of them get frustrated with what's going on and everything worked last year.

And to me, the thing that is really running this offense off the tracks is the running game and the offensive line. They're just not playing as well. And they can't run block right now. They're not 100%. Lane Johnson's not 100%. Land of Dickerson's, not 100%. And because they can't run, it's affecting the passing game.

It's a mess. We're not a mess. We did it in eight minutes. It's time for this segment. I can't believe it, Jordan. We are off to such a great start this season. And so are the Jaguars. So we were just texting, like, what should we talk about on this show?

And we were talking about, well, we could talk about, like, who are maybe the messiest teams, the teams that we really enjoy watching, like a fun messy team. And we could have had candidates. Like the Cowboys are kind of fun. There are other teams we threw out. And we just, like, knew that the Jaguars were our pick. And we decided, you know, we're the hosts here.

If we want to talk about why the Jaguars, are the most messy fun team of the year and that we are really enjoying the ride and looking forward to the next few months of Jaguars, whatever happens. Like, we can do it. Tell me, like, the first reason why you are enjoying watching this team, why you're finding them fascinating? I mean, it's the defense for me. And it's interesting.

I think they were slept on a little bit. I think we, you know, we mentioned them a couple times as they could be sneaky, good, especially down the stretch of the season. They are visibly and very statistically good immediately as the season started. They are first in takeaways in the NFL right now. They're also first in turnover differential. And they're scoring off the turnover for takeaways last week and 17 points off of those takeaways. They've got dudes at every level. I love the way they rushed the passer. Josh Heinz Allen is playing unconscious football. right now. Devin Lloyd is having an incredible season, two interceptions against the 49ers last week.

And I love the way that their coverages work to. They're a zone team, but they're zoning in a really aggressive way where their eyes are super clean. They're very confident. They understand where they need to be and when to crash down and when to back off a little bit. I really love the way this team plays. They are aggressive. They are hitting. Go watch this tape. The 49ers came into that game beat to heck already and they were hitting and this is this is a well run operation on that side of the ball right now and that's one of my favorite things about the jaguars at this point okay yeah we'll start on the defense i to me it is the whole picture like the fact that Trevor Lawrence really isn't playing that much better the fact that Liam Cohen has the press conference we'll get to all

that but I agree you did ask me for one thing by the way just just say I know I'm just painting the picture and we'll go through all the things because there are so many things. But I think you're right to hit on that because that's what I think can continue. Now, you talk about turnover differential like that. Obviously, that's not going to continue. I get it.

They already have four more turnover is forced this year than they had all of last year, which is just like a preposterous stat. But you mentioned a lot of the key players there. And what strikes me is that Devin Lloyd, Heinz Allen, I'd throw Jordan Lewis in there, their slot cornerback who's 30, but I still think qualifies here.

And Trayvon Walker are defensive players in their primes and they're playing their best. And I do think there is something to watching defensive football that you know it when you see it. And it's the number one thing that a new defensive coordinator can add. Sometimes you do see that they actually do the thing, Jordan, that they talk about in the press conference, that they are flying around to the football and hitting more. Like, they are that team this year. And I can, I can remember, like, the first Lou Anarumo Bengals team. Like, you could see it early in the year.

And so I think you combine that with, with, like you said, players at every level playing their best. Those are really good players. I'd throw Tyson Campbell in the mix, too. Yeah. There are a bunch of players who are Pro Bowl caliber type players. So even if the turnovers fall off, Jordan, I do think, like, the level here of being, like, a top eight type of defense is here to stay. And I will use this to broaden out into the rest of how they're built for now with the short-term and long-term vision on what this is going to be.

You know, Jordan Lewis was a player that they went after so hard in free agency after James Gladstone had spent a couple of tries in the front office with the Rams, hearing Sean McVe talk about how bad he wanted Jordan Lewis to be a ram. And they made a couple of attempts over the years at, Jordan Lewis. And the way that it's been described to me is that they felt like coming in and rebuilding this team with a combination of veteran free agents, some high dollar, but most who they eventually know they will be replacing with draft picks over time and patching those holes. And then a couple of guys who they can culture set. Jordan Lewis was comped to Andrew Whitworth

when Sean McVeigh first came in to be the head coach of the Rams and needed a culture setter in his building and how they pursued Andrew Whitworth so heavily when he was trying to decide what his future looked like post-Sincinnati. And they weren't sure they were going to get Jordan Lewis, but he came over and I assume he's happy. He did watching kind of what's going on in Dallas over the next couple of weeks and months after free agency. And he very much is that culture-setting type of guy. You know, the last time the Jags defense was this impressive, they had another culture-setting guy. Callais Campbell, ironically, on the show today. And these are the types of players that were comped in terms of being able to set that culture for this new Jags regime.

Comped to me about those guys are the same names that came up when talking about what Jordan Lewis is adding to this group behind the scenes. So also a great name with a great spelling. Yes. There aren't many Jordans with the O-R or O-U-R. I love a little Jordan representation out there. So we said they're messy fun And so the defense is just fun to watch Part of the things that are messy about them

And there are more than a few They leave the league in penalty yardage In terms of they have the most penalties in the league They have the most penalty yardage They have the worst penalty yardage differential And then I was thinking about these players That are playing well And I'd throw in some offensive ones like Anton Harrison

And even maybe a free agent pickup like Eric Armstead, who's helping out. And you know who's enjoying this? And it's a little messy to think about. You know who's enjoying all these pickups? Trent Balke. It's Trent Balkees' revenge. I mean, these are all of Trent Balkees, like high picks,

are suddenly doing pretty well. Like, he was enemy number one. So I think for Jaguars fans that put the clown nose on Balke, you at least have to remember, like, I mean, these were his picks out there doing pretty well. Yeah, I do think, too, that, like, you're seeing where they are really messy, on offense is where I have less concern about them as this mess staying at the level that it is with the penalties. A lot of these penalties are coming off of the pre-snap motions and the

shifts and those types of things. And that's a collective effort between the quarterback, A, and then B, the rest of the offensive linemen, just getting their timing right, understanding cadences, understanding, you know, how to tick back the mental clock once the quarterback says a certain word or once he stomps his foot, how fast that motion has to come across, how fast you have to get reset. This is all a part of what this offense is. And so I think that they do cut that down over time. What remains messy is them figuring out really how to get the best out of the receivers. I noticed Brian Thomas Jr. had more outbreaking routes this week. Still had plenty of in breakers, but Trevor Lawrence did not target him on a single in breaking route this week. All of his

targets were on out breaking routes according to his next gen chart. And this is, you know, figuring out what to do with Travis Hunter. The fact that Hunter Long is their touchdown receiving leader. With respect to Hunter Long, you're not going to keep it that way, right? Like, you've got to figure out your passing game. He's the most efficient Hunter on the team is Hunter Long. And that's sort of what I mean when I get to Messy. And we joke about Hunter Long, former Ram, and I did check on PFF, just like how they thought

he was doing. And he's only played 50 snaps, but he is actually their highest rated offensive player. I'm like, how is that even possible? And it's because of games like Sunday He was on the field for six routes In those six routes He made three outstanding catches Like a game saving diving first down

That set up a touchdown The actual essentially game winning touchdown And another key first down To Hunter Long getting it done While the two talented guys You know Brian Thomas Jr. Is going through it right now And Travis Hunter they're figuring out

But he is he's part of it for me Because I feel I do feel like his defensive snaps and there weren't many of them in week four but the week before actually looked really good he did make his best play on offense that he's had with a nice catch up the seam on Sunday and so even if it's not working out perfectly right off the bat

he does add like a fun factor we've never seen this before factor that I am just going to be ready to crow about when it does finally wear because it will Jordan it absolutely will. I know. You're so ready. You were down just a little bit, a couple weeks ago. You're a little, a little sad, a little depressed. Maybe Travis Hunter was disappearing a little bit. Then you watch the isolated cutups, right, Greg? Of all of his snaps in coverage, in that, in that zoning coverage, like I said, that zoning coverage that I think is really, really fundamentally sound. And he played awesome. I do not worry as much about Travis Hunter. I think they're messy too in the sense that like, I think we went into the season. Like, Can Trevor Lawrence play better to lift up this group on offense? And now we're sort of like, can Trevor Lawrence play better and not make one potentially

catastrophic decision per game to stay on the same positive track as the rest of this offense? That's kind of, it's interesting. I've felt a little bit of shift. I'm back to last year's wonderment of Trevor Lawrence when I was pushing. I said, I need to see more from him. And decisions like your fifth year guy, decisions like that, um, late slide where he went out of bounds,

the clock management. Again, some of these penalties are not all on the offensive line. Some of it is the quarterback orchestrating things as well. I just want to see, I just want to see him stay on this less messy track and get less messy with the rest of this group. He has always been a quarterback, and this is tricky to talk about,

but he does not strike you as a quarterback that's winning from the neck up yet, like in terms of game management, in terms of seeing the whole field. He's a young quarterback and you get better. I've seen Hall of Fame quarterbacks like Ben Rathesberger have it click very late in his

career. And Lawrence he just makes boneheaded plays. And the crazy thing is Liam Cohen is the quarterback whisper. He's the guru, right? I think if you just isolated Trevor's play and the numbers back it up,

the advanced numbers for the most part, and definitely just like the raw yards per attempt completion percentage all that sort of stuff he's actually playing a little worse this year which which seems crazy and maybe everyone's just trying to figure out the offense and that's that's that's why I think this team could go in any direction but I think they have a higher ceiling Jordan because they're winning because of their running game we should finish really with that they're winning with their running game but I actually think Trevor Lawrence to this point is having that part of the season where

if they make a movie about how this all goes well, they're talking about how his head was swimming in the new Liam Cohen offense early. Like, we're still in that swimming. He's drowning a little bit. He's not even playing well, and they're winning these games. Yeah, and it starts up front.

And I really like, you know, what we're seeing from ETN. We're seeing some pop from Basial Tutin. Tutank Hive stand up. And I feel like this is interesting because they're getting 3.21 yards before contact per carry last week. against a banged-up San Francisco 49ers defensive front, but a tough one still.

And they've been blocking really well for Trevor Lawrence, too. No sacks last week. And they're first in sack rate in terms of protecting him on a per snap basis. So, and that's the entire season. So it's like, schematically, it's all coming together starting up front. And to your point, once the little pieces and the details and all the minutia, the timing and all of these things catch up, they've already got this fundamental. sound run game that's really popping so far

this season. And they're getting blocking for it, which I think is one of the most important things. The blueprint is there. It's like literally about taking the next step forward within it. Yeah, they've had two of the most dominant past blocking games of the year. And I was, granted, it was against Carolina and against

the Nick Bosa list, Nick 49ers. But he was not touched, literally, not a quarterback hit on Sunday, which is crazy. And they're playing well in the running game. I think this is where Liam Cohen Jaguars really remind me the most of the Liam Cohen bucks.

The cohesive nature from day one is the secret sauce. Travis E.T.N. Is becoming the guy he's leading the NFL in your arts per carry right now. He's hitting the big plays. He's more patient than he's been. And the blocking, they're greater than the sum of their parts. Right now in terms of DVOA, Jordan. They're 20th

in terms of passing. But they are second right now in the NFL in terms of their running game. And I know you're just a football dork at heart and like a cohesive running game like this. There is nothing more fun to watch. So wrap us up with a little just like love for what they are doing on the ground and why I'm really excited to watch this team the rest of the year. Well, I think it's giving everybody confidence. And I want to call back, you know, James Gladstone was on our show in the spring. And his main thing was making sure they're building up front and continuing some positive pieces that were already there and continuing to build through the run game.

And he said, get in the way, stay in the way in terms of blocking up, you know, your assignments and all of those things. And I just think that you can see it in some of the mannerisms and some of the, even the extracurriculars after the game, this team is feeling itself a little bit. I think rightfully so. But it's this confidence that comes with, you know, your foundation is solid. and that comes from the run game. Like, I know this is a little takey, but I don't know that Liam Cohen is out there talking smack to Robert Sala after the game

if they got pushed around on the line of scrimmage all game, even if they won. It's winning at the line of scrimmage. Liam Cohen's a former quarterback with a sort of a receiver's mind, clearly. Like, you have to, you really have to see this entire, the way they're winning up front on the, you know, on offense, but also on defense, I think is just giving them a lot of all over confidence and a little bit of vibe over there.

Making them a little chesty. You're right. I didn't really think about the connections here because, yes, the 49ers became who they were by being the biggest, toughest team, and they were pushed around by the Jaguars, who were somewhat built by Trent Balke, who had the same idea back when he was with the 49ers.

And yes, now the Jaguars aren't perfect. No, they're messy. They'll have some stretch, but man, I love watching ETN. and toot and run. I love watching this team. And yeah, back when we had the round the NFL podcast, we would have a team of the podcast every year.

I'm not saying the Jaguars are this team, but we just wanted to give them a little shine. Felt like they deserved a little extra. They don't get enough national spotlight. You know who does get a lot of national spotlight. The Rams and the 49ers, we will talk TNF preview after this break. Du Ball.

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Quick TNF preview before we get to your interview with Clayus Campbell. which I'm really looking forward to listening to the Rams are catching the 49ers Jordan potentially at the right time obviously Nick Bosa out for the season Rams are favored by five and a half in this game Brock Purdy missed the fake practices early in the week but he did finish out that game

so I feel better about him than Ricky Pearsall who we just might not know about going into the game same thing with Joanne Jennings Pearsall has a PCL injury. Kyle Shanean doesn't believe it's going to be long-term. Joanne Jennings didn't quite finish last week's game with a shoulder injury. Do you think the 49ers,

in a world where they have these guys, let's say at least the receivers, for the most part, have enough, even if they are healthy, to win this game in Los Angeles, where for most of Sean McVeigh's tenure, they've had a lot of success.

Yeah, a DeMarcus Robinson revenge game a little bit here, right? Because DeMarcus Robinson is back for the 49ers and he will be a factor. It'll have to be, right? I am still skeptical after, especially after watching some of the contours and the spaces and the voids that the Colts were able to find offensively. I am concerned still about their ability to defend a past catching tight end. Tongass has been, you know, Brock Purdy's like kind of go-to guy, especially in that red area with George Kittle banged up. And I do, I do expect, I mean, it's not reported, but I do expect Brock Purdy to play just because he did finish. He looked like he was in pain, but he did finish that game. And this is absolutely a huge game for the 49ers coming in to SoFi Stadium in mass numbers. And so I do think that this secondary for the Rams is what still remains my biggest question. And I don't know if the 49ers have the, you know, I don't know that they're going to outmatch them in terms of like body for body here. But in terms of scheming eyes open, I still have very much my flag up, my guard, my guard rails up thinking about what this

secondary is sort of culpable to with, you know, Kyle Shanahan and some of the ways that he can like sort of circle certain defensive players and then just spam play calls right at those players. That's a concern still for me. Yeah, last year, even with a really down 49ers team at the second time around, it was a total mash unit. They played those games to where it was a final possession game. The Rams won both of them, but they were they were both close. Obviously, you really need Pearsall and or Jennings out there to help with the offense. I'm a little concern though about their running game. Like this 49ers team doesn't make sense to me if Christian McCaffrey is dead last in the NFL and complete in a rush yards over expected, huge

negative. The offensive line actually passed protected pretty well last week against Jacksonville, I thought, but the run blocking hasn't been great. And they're not that injured in terms of their offensive line. They're just not playing that well. And McCaffrey's not as explosive. He leads the NFL and touches. I think about some of those old 49ers

teams, Jordan. And I think like, man, they could use a Rahim Moster. You know what I mean? They could just use a little bit of more juice in terms of their running game. Yeah. And they went out and they got Brian Robinson, right, to try to see if maybe they could spell Christian McCaffrey a little bit. You're not seeing a lot of that happening so far. And this is

especially like we mentioned earlier in the show about how the Jaguars defense was hitting. I mean, John Jennings part of, yeah, it's a shoulder or whatever it is. But also he was crunched between two defenders took a kidney shot that set him on his back, flat on his back for a little while during that game on the sideline as trainers were working on him a little bit. Like these, this is a banged up team that is really, really loading up the workload early on for Christian McCaffrey, a player who we know his head. injury history and coming into this game on a short week. And yes, the Rams have been banged up too. Their interior offensive line is still a little shaky. Justin Dietich played

well at left guard. But if you're looking at the Rams defense, which is pretty healthy overall in their run game, I can't imagine you're not trying to use at least a little bit of a change up if you're Kyle Shanahan to try to get some power going a little bit and get Christian McCaffrey working in the passing game. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I know Robbins It's not like a big play guy either, but if nothing else, use them on the goal line, use them to just take some load off of Christian McCaffrey. I really love the way Matthew Stafford played last week, in general, the way he's adjusted to this offensive line giving up a lot of quick pressure.

He has the lowest time to throw when he's under pressure of any quarterback in the league. So he is making quick decisions. He has the lowest pressure to sack ratio of his entire career. I don't think he's bailing. Like, you know, as you watch on YouTube, you see some of the dimes he had last week. I don't think he's bailing out of plays early. He's just playing at a high level and playing smart.

And Puka Nakua right now, Jordan, is literally on pace for like 170 catches or so. Like, remember we were like one in one A? Well, not so much. Devante has 17 catches. And I think Devonzi's presence is actually opening things up a little bit for Puka versus the other way around. Puka is just absolutely.

his prime right now. It's so funny to me. I mean, he's like pretty unguarded right now, right? And it is and he's doing everything and he's sort of like getting him into that 11 and a half personnel because he's playing tight end sometimes and within the blocking structure on run plays and he's doing all these things. And you're right. It is interesting. It's like at what point are and I think he's got plenty of respect around the league, but it's like they're still almost like leveraging things toward Devonte Adams. And it's like Puka is destroying these defense. as nobody has had a solid coverage plan for him yet.

And he's making every throw or making every catch. I'm watching those Matthew Stafford throws. And our friend Nate Tice always does a Monday, Matthew Stafford cutups every week. And like, I will never quit him. I won't. I won't do it. Rams, our listeners can get as mad at me as they want for talking too much about Matthew Stafford, but I will never quit him because he makes the sickest throws you

will ever see. And I am never out with that guy, never out. Well, I tell you what, he is, I'm going to, while I'm over here, I'm buying him a one-way ticket to quarterback island, barring an injury, you know, cross your fingers. He is, he is playing like a top five quarterback right now. And it's the biggest reason why I like the Rams in this game. I don't, I don't necessarily like five and a half, but I don't have to worry about that, at least for this purpose. Look, they don't have a pass rush right now. The 49ers without Nick Bosa have Bryce Huff and that's about it.

Michael Williams is a good. player. He's not like a pure pass rusher. So Stafford ultimately against a quarterback, Brock Pretty, who looked like he was injured last week, did not play particularly well, was pretty inaccurate. It's just too much of a mismatch in a game that I think the Rams are going to score. I don't know if the 49ers can keep up. I will take the Rams. If anything is going to swing this game, in my opinion, toward the 49ers, it's going to be plays that are made by these linebackers, Fred Warner and D. Winters, who are all over the field and because they cannot rush the passer, I do expect D. Winters, the way Robert Salo, we've seen earlier in the season, using him

in the blitz, creating pressure, simulating like he's going to pressure and then dropping and really covering well as well, flying all over the field. I think that if this is going to swing, that's going to be where it does. But I just think the Rams, A, are healthier and B, body for body, pound for pound at almost every position on the roster are just as nearly a complete team as it gets in the NFL right now. I'm picking the Rams. This is what Kyle Shanahan likes.

Everyone doubting him going into a big game against the Rams. Ominous respect to Kyle. Ammonist respect. Don't make eye contact. If you thought he was in a bad mood after losing to Liam Cohen, like who knows what,

who Robert Sal is going to tell that he's going to kill after this game. Okay, let's get to someone who would never say something like that on the football field. it's a Walter Payton Man of the Year award winner and yes, I'm throwing it

to you, Jordan. Have a great time talking to Callais Campbell. I will see you guys on our preview show on Wednesday. Okay, NFL Daily listeners, it is an unbelievable honor to welcome our next

guest here today. Calais Campbell once again in Arizona Cardinal thank you very much for coming back. 18th NFL season, Kaleas, I just have one like major question

for you that I've wondered for the last probably about 10 years. How the heck are you still doing this at such a high level showing up all over the stat sheet week over week

over week as still one of the best defensive players in the NFL in your 18th NFL. It breaks my brain. How are you doing this? Well, I will say I'm surprised myself.

You know, I'm just grateful that I get to still go out there and perform at a high level. I love this game so much when I'm a heart. I'm really a fan. That's lucky enough to play it. And so for me, I just dedicate myself

to it. I put a lot of work in. Hard work does pay off. But this is just God. I'm very grateful that guys bless me with the ability to go out there and produce it at high level and hopefully keep it going. I know. I never want to see you stop playing. I know that's very selfish of me.

But I grew up in Phoenix and, you know, I actually interned for the radio station out there. I know you're very familiar with Arizona sports out there. Ron Wolfley and all the guys. And I was an intern for them in 2015 and I was gathering sound in the locker room and I was squeezed right at the edge of the Callais Campbell post game scrum that always would surround you to hear you talk about everything that happened during the game. And you will not remember this, but I will never forget it. And I was, I was squeezed out of it by some of the cameras and you turned to me at the very end and you asked me

if I got everything I needed. And I was just a baby intern at the time. And for you to notice that and to take an extra second. I mean, you've always been such a presence, Kaleas, not just on the field, but in the locker room. And I see all of these shots. This Cardinals defense plays their butts off. They play so hard.

And you're a huge part of that. And I see these shots of you on the sideline always giving these galvanizing speeches and keeping people's heads in the game. And I guess over the years, you've always done that, but how have you developed that? Where do you look to to find these motivational conversation starters, to find the things that inspire you to then talk to others? And I see you post a lot on your Instagram as well.

And I'm kind of wondering where your curiosity in that space comes from of motivating people and then letting it all out on game day. Yeah, I think a lot of my motivation, you know, I love the game of football. And I want to be really good at it. And the best thing about football is you're in the team. You can't do it by yourself. And so you have to be able to inspire other people to go and be at the best version of themselves,

be at an elite level for you guys to win. And because that is a big part of it, you know, you have to learn about motivation how to get people to, you know, sacrifice self and become part of a team. And that's just a challenge. But over the years, you know, even when I was in high school, I've always had this mentality in college, same thing. So over the years, I just kind of trying different things, figure out what work. But one thing for sure is you have to overcommunicate, you have to talk to guys, you

to tell them, remind them all the time, like, hey, this is the most important play of the game, it's most important drive of the game. What we are right now, there's nothing, nowhere else we're whether be like lock in, breathe, get your breath, you know, whatever you have to do to get ready for this next drive to be the most important one. Where do you go to to find that for yourself? I know you're such a competitor and you have that drive intrinsically, but, you know, Keeping yourself, like, locked in the way that you have at such a high level for, you know, almost two decades now.

Like, do you, what are your books that you like to read? What do you listen to? Do you do breathwork? How are things, what are things that keep you centered and ready to kind of let the monster out of the box a little bit when you have to? Yeah, you know, I have a great support team, you know, between like, you know, just some of my brothers and sisters and just like, you know, to my best friends. I'll bounce ideas of things I'm thinking off of one of my best friends we talk all the time about like just motivational tactics and the way of going about doing things my wife does a good job of keeping me grounded

and keeping my head, you know, look forward but I also will like watch a lot of, you know, old Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant videos and, you know, Ray Lewis speeches and stuff like that too. So, you know, kind of just like always looking like, okay, who are the best leaders and what can I learn from them

you know what can I use that's going to allow for me to be a better leader but a lot of it too though is just a natural instinct you know like sometimes it's just like staying in presence there on my feet are figuring out what my real goals are right what are my goals and you know

usually the goals are to win and perform at a high level on the football field as a team well then all right what can I do what's in my power to make that happen you know I feel like I can only I can only maximize so much of my physical stuff. I just physically I have to, you know,

move slow and tread a little bit lightly during the week. But where I can get better at is to study and, you know, trying to help other guys understand what their role is and how they can be more effective with it. So a lot of the, how I can be effective impact of the game comes to the mind and how I can help other guys. You know, it's interesting.

I know it's a point of pride for you that you are known around the league and pursued every time you're, free agent because of what you bring to a culture in part. But the real people who know ball and watch you every year know that you still bring it and you still are playing at such a high level. I guess I know the culture thing is a point of pride for you, but what's the point of pride being like, okay, I'm not just a culture guy. Like I'm coming in. I'm going to earn my snaps and I'm going to make splash plays. I'm going to get my giant hand up there and bat your passes down every year. I'm going to rush the passer. I'm going to stop the run. What kind, like is that

sort of like a little edge that you still have, like, hey, I'm not just in here to motivate people. I'm here to play ball too. Oh, yeah. You know, that's a big part of it, too. Like, even when, you know, I was, you know, I've been a phrasia in a bunch pretty much every year last, you know, a few years. And like, I've heard a lot of pitches and teams trying to give me to come there. And when they lead with me just being like a vocal leader, it kind of like runs me the wrong way a little bit because like, you know, that's coming automatically. You know you don't get that.

But you also got to see me as a baller still, too, because I can play football still at an elite level. And part of me, you know, part of my motivation is proving it, right? Proving it because, I mean, everybody thinks you're going to fall off or not everybody. But majority people think you're going to fall off, right? They think that when you get to be 39 years old, you can't do it at an elite level anymore. And most time they're right, but part of my motivation is going out there and prove it them wrong, you know, and it's a daily process. You know, Dalvin Thomason, he's, you know, a great teammate of mine, but he always challenged me pretty much every day. Like, I don't care what you did in the past, none of that matters no more, what you're going to do right now.

you know and I'm like you right because if I try to decide to play football again you know all my history and all my legacy that there'll be a time for that when I retire but right now none of that matters all that matters right now is what I can do for this team today and so I have great teammates around me to keep me grounded keep me focused on the main thing but uh my I would like to be able to make impact you know I told myself I didn't want to just join any team I want to join the team I can make an impact on and off the field yeah and off the field too Klaas I want to to talk about that because we see it all over the tape year after year. But you also, you're a

Walter Payton man of the year. I mean, people don't forget, like, the impact. I know as a Phoenix native, like, I will never forget the impact that you've made in the communities everywhere you've been. You always do such amazing work in the community. And right now, you're working on the Kaleas comes home, homecoming with a heart campaign. Can you tell us a little bit more about the work that you're doing. Yeah, so it's kind of a two-part thing. You know, first things first is the House of Refuge who I've worked with for a long time.

It seems like it's been over a decade, and they really help people, you know, going through homelessness, which I personally experienced when I was a kid. And, you know, usually it's, you know, single mothers with a few kids who were trying to get back on their feet. So we're donating weekly based off my stats.

But really, the big big, big thing is trying to bring awareness and just trying to use a platform to create exposure for them. And as well as I'm picking nine other charities, they get one home game and one away game where I'm trying to encourage fans to donate alongside me, but I'm donating based off of my stats. And so that's part of the other reason why I want to perform well because I want to be able to utilize some of the resources and bring it to some of these cool charities who are all Phoenix base or doing some really good stuff. And I really want to just really try some light on them and show, you know, the Finnish community who they are and what they're all about. Kaleas, when you're helping to provide resources for people who are experiencing homelessness, I know that's a, like you said, it's a very personal thing for you and a part of your story.

I guess what can you share with the audience, with the listeners about common misconceptions about, you know, what they see versus what you're actually experiencing when you are out there, you know, in the buildings. helping people in, you know, in the communities, helping people. And really what you want people to know about this work that you're doing. Yeah. So a lot of times, it's very similar to my family's story where you just fall in hard times, right? You know, I know sometimes you can get the narratives there. Like people who are homeless, you know, for whatever reason, right? Most of the time it's just you follow hard times, right?

Misfortune comes at the wrong time. You're not prepared for it. And you have to just make doing. You're just trying to trail water and figure, out that you can get back into a good spot. And so for my family, growing up, both of our parents lost a job at the same time. You know, we end up getting evicted and anywhere to go. And, you know, we found a family home of shelter similar to what House of Refuge does, where they keep families together. And, you know, we're there for like six months until my parents can get

back on their feet. And then coming out of that, you know, we moved to a one-bedroom home and, you know, for another like six months or something. And then we end up moving to five-bedroom else after that. And it was just like, you know, kind of like we just needed somebody to help us for a short period of time for we can get back on our feet. And that's the same thing with a lot of these families that you're dealing with. You know, a lot of them just need a little bit of help for a short period of time to get back on our feet. And then you get them, you know, to a place where they can, you know, be self-sufficient and then go out there and, you know, and live a normal life again. And so, you know, it's just like, man,

like, you know, I think a lot of times you try to encourage people to realize, like, you know, just a helping hand. You know, some people just need to help in hand. It's not a forever, you know, help him for a rest of your life. You just got to help him for a short period of time. And then, you know, most people can get back on her feet and do great things in the world. Well said. And it's been so impressive. You are like the living embodiment of a helping hand, not just in the community, but on the field as well. He's still going, guys, somehow, some way at a high level Calais. It was like a personal and also a really great honor to talk to you today. Thank you so much for taking the time. Everybody go check out. Kaleas comes.

homecoming with a heart campaign. We'll make sure to share these links on social and within the episode description as well. Calais, good luck this week, man. We really appreciate it. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you. That was the legend. Callais Campbell, still doing incredible work on and off the field. Personal hero of mine, stoked to be able to talk to him today. You guys, this is a pretty fun show. Honestly, I mean, I got to sit in the power chair, had to lower it a little bit. Shots of Greg. Greg and Patrick Claibon and myself will be back later this week with the preview shows. And guys, week five, right? Right? Let's do it. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you

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