NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Latest news & midseason report

Episode Date: October 30, 2014

A room with some heroes and a special guest -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Dave Dameshek -- discuss their midseason report and preview the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Saints and Panthers.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is in Greg's stable of boys. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I'm joined by a room filled with some heroes, Chris Wessling and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys? Hey, Dan. I thought. You just forgot someone else entirely.

I didn't. But usually if it's all four of us, it's a room filled with. some heroes but the room is filled and and the man sitting to west's left is a hero he is the great the iconic dave damasheck the inimitable hello hi dave come on player ah i don't i don't need that introduction i don't what's up dave welcome back to the round the NFL podcast what's the poop fellows you guys are still doing this still happening still happen i'm happy for you guys that's awesome dave is riding high doing a media tour around the whole country after the wild success of football Oh, baby.

This has turned, this has been, this is it. Football baby. Listen, I got it to ride into the top. Who knew? I thought it would be a cute little thing to see which direction, 10 week old. Maybe it's a little, you know, questionable to do that with a child to use them as a prop.

But I thought it would be fun just to see, you know, him tip, you know, if you haven't noticed, if you set an infant up, they eventually will tip over to one side of the other. Therein lies the premise of football, baby. But then he went four and oh. He went four and oh. Yeah, if you haven't, You haven't seen it.

Check it out. Google. Yeah, look at a football baby. You'll find it. Dave, I'm curious if you're, how old, 10 weeks? 10 weeks. Because we have children are very close together in age. As a noted media personality, where is it sit within, deep within you if football baby becomes

more famous than you in the next couple weeks or months? Well, I mean, we've already started to confront that difficult subject, you know, and I ultimately decided it was in my best interest to ride his coattails as much as I possibly can. You're going to be this creepy stage dad guy. I'm all in now. I mean, listen, there were 48 hours of some, you know, some real heavy thoughts there. And I don't mind telling you, things got pretty dark. I sat in my home, you know, glowering.

You know, my home, which is sparsely decorated, save a fold-out card table and a naked light bulb hanging from above. I stayed awake two nights in a row. I didn't get a wink asleep with a bottle of whiskey and emerged, I think, better. further recognition that, hey, football baby's where it's at? It's savvy because, you know, good-looking man in his 40s, you know. Wait, where are we going? I'm just saying, this business has an expiration date for guys based on their looks. It's like, now you've got to kind of switch it over.

Speaking of good-looking men in their 40s, I just real quick, I got a mysterious package from England. The Royal Mail stamp is how I knew where it was from. No note. but it was John Ham who we had a casting associate say that I would play John Ham if we casted Who was that associate?

Well it was my wife but that's beside the point But whoever said the John Hamm Whoever said the John Hamm head And that's what it looks like That's John Ham creepy Friend of yours by the way Dave as we know Whoever sent that thank you, the mystery person It's pretty creepy

And I can wear it actually on Halloween When the kids answer the door I'm sure that won't look weird at all. I'll just be wearing like an open bathrobe in the John Hamhead. That's not good. No, not at all. Anyway, so we got a big show today. This is our Wednesday show.

We get excited about it. Greg, you didn't have any comments about the John Hamhead. I just laughed and enjoyed it. It would be pretty scary, though. If you really want to scare some kids, I think that'll do it. That's the Mad Men, slick-haired version of ham. That's ham perfection. TD, behind the glass.

How are you, buddy? what's going on guys really excited could anyone guess why why oh no some kind of nerdy marvel stuff because you've got some you've got all your favorite podcasters in one studio that's one option something involving sci-fi or super by the way this is td's hell by the way it's uh us who we're always annoying td to do various things at his job and damshack td his are famously really yes adversarial relationship it's almost like i would i would look under the table for a bomb or something i don't Normally, you would be, yes, you would be wise to do that. But today, no, it's the start of the NBA season tonight.

It started yesterday. It was some weak games. The Lakers played, who cares about them. But also to. The champions played. I was going to say, what if on a Sunday, if you really want to round it out, we should do this same group recording a podcast and while NFL football's on and no soccer. That would be hell for.

No. But the other thing I'm really excited for, as Wes said, Marvel did announce the next nine movies. the NFL podcast movie It's not hasn't been announced yet But you know Still in the works Enough you know what

I saw that all over Twitter and Facebook Everybody just relax with this stuff I'm trying to keep you guys in the know I'm going to see the Avengers part two I saw the first Is now with three and four now That's where everybody's got to calm down Let's see how the second one is first

Please do not keep me in the know I would rather wallow in my own ignorance On this issue We so yeah we have a lot of show to get to So we should start rolling We're going to go through Greg's midseason report that is up on NFL.com. We will talk about teams that we foresee falling off this season,

despite getting off to a nice start in the first half. And we'll also preview the Thursday night matchup, a key NFC South matchup between the Saints and the Panthers. Before we throw it to the news, just a heads up to everyone. Next Wednesday, putting the pressure on the man behind the glass, we'll be bringing back win Greg's Toaster. And so if you want to be the man to take down Greg, the fan of the show, reach out to TD, at producer TD,

and we're going to have a screening process to make sure we have a real challenger for Greg. Greg wants a tomato can. Well, I just want the same opportunities afforded Wesleyan. That's so untrue. Guys are like the knuckles dragging on the ground and gets like one question right so that West can keep his precious dancer until he had to pay some real competition. That's really not how it was. Sheck couldn't answer more than a question or two.

He's not built for this. He wasn't built. I don't like the pressure of it. Yeah, you're a deeply knowledgeable man with football and football history, but your ability to be quick in your responses. I didn't like the clock. You know who wants a piece of, well, he wanted it a Wessling, and I'm sure Greg Rosenthal would do just fine for him. Elliot Harrison of NFL media group. He fancies him.

I love Elliot. He's deep down. He would deny it, but he's slightly offended that Chris Wesleying is considered the trivia expert. You know what else offended him? He wants to take that down. Last week, he walked into the newsroom, and I made a joke as he was walking by that he had his shirt done, an extra button, and he just gave me the dirtiest look and looked away. No joke to it.

It was just straight up. I hate you, man. Get out of my lap. It was that type of thing. So would Elliot, he could have the Trivia Master title, but he would have to take it from me in a dark alley. You boys. That's the sort of heat we need, Black Tie. I put Wes versus E.

and let's see who wins. Well, first, we need to, we don't, that's a, that's a side battle. We need to get Greg set up the Greg West Titanic rematch. And then maybe Harrison can take on the winner of that. This is all in the future. But for now, we need Greg to get, uh, get his feet wet as a champion. Well, I've said, Jester Douglas is my, is my, is my diabetic coma, like eight months after your role model?

Yeah, he's my role model that I just want to get fat, enjoy the world and women and make a video game. I don't care. I've already done my big ups. I don't want a rematch. There's no winning scenario in that. At producer TD, if you want to be in. Oh, hashtag Greg's Toaster, WG. I don't appreciate that hashtag one bit.

Well, listen, one day you will rise again. Rosenzal's head is in the 100% right place. That's your move. Leon Spinks, when he beat Ali back in whatever it was, 78 or 79, the right move is to retire right there. I tried to retire the game, a shadowy league figure that you know well by the name of Marvel. is bringing this game back. And no, that is not a window, T.D.,

for you to bring up more Marvel stuff. Well, John DeMarville is a big Barbo fan. I thought he was a grown man. Well, he is, as of my, but we're big Barble fans. Wes, you've got to let yourself be in other people's reality sometimes. It's okay. All right. So anyway, T.D., let's get to some news.

Shiboy. Wow. Bucky Brooks drop. I like that. Not a book. I see what you want. to let people know that that is jay and a lot of talk recently and who's who's who boy and that and this so i just thought i'll add a little jay to the precedence

she boy dead on bucky brooks i can't imagine what that so that's why you don't have any time to do any production on the ddfp because you're getting j z sound all the by the way give us a plug for dave's uh podcast that's it ddfp Dave damasheck football program couple times a week in season and we kibbits about this, that, and the other, you know. It is the podcast in which this podcast was, uh, it was birth. Yeah. Famously, Mark and I were like the Joey.

We owe an eternal debt. The debate club. Yeah, it started out with Sessler and Hansus coming in on the debate club. Then Greg Rosenthal trickled in. Then came west from the island. And it was a terrific time. Now we're Joni loves Chouchy. All right.

So let's get to the news. We'll start in why. Washington, and I guess it would be nice to get a little talk on that Monday night game, which was a classic between the Redskins and the Cowboys, where Colt McCoy stepped up and played a very nice game and led the upset victory. However, RG3 now is on the horizon. Robert Griffin, the third, who has been out since week two with a dislocated ankle, returned to practice in full on Wednesday, split first team reps with McCoy.

Jay Gruden, as he's been during this whole process, has played this extremely coy. He said that this is more mental than physical now with Griffin getting him up to speed with the Redskins playing the Vikings on Sunday, and then they have a buy. There was also, before we came upstairs, a report floating around that Griffin will start against the Vikings, but we don't know if that's true or not yet. However, Griffin is very much back on the radar right now. Your thoughts, gentlemen.

First team reps. That says he's starting unless there's a setback. Well, he split them. Right, but he's getting first. If he wasn't going to start. He's starting unless something happens. Unless there's a setback, he's starting. I like the people that were like, well, should he be starting?

Maybe we should ride Colt McCoy for another week. Well, first of all, on a human level, you've got to be thrilled for Colt McCoy, right? Wasn't that a nice thing? Speaking of retiring right away, he should just get out of the mix. That's the perfect answer for him. Yeah, especially doing it in Texas, of all places for him to do that was great. I always thought it was Hocum that, you know, the notion that anybody outside, you know, that would, should be considered. I wonder, though, with Jay Gruden, how does this affect him in the locker room that he more or less advocated for Kirk Cousins?

That Cousins gets it a little bit better. He's a better fit. And immediately, Cousins flames out and now is off the radar. Coat McCoy, obviously, is ahead of him. So what does that mean then? How do you trust him if you're RG3 or anyone else? Yeah, you're the guy who thought Kirk Cousins was a good idea. It's a good question.

There was some, I wish you weren't a lot. stuff going on here. He said this week, I'd never strayed from my answer that RG3 was a guy. At least you weren't a liar. He strayed far from that answer right about after Kirk Cousins' best game of the year. And he said, look, I'm not ruling anything out. Kirk Cousins could remain the starter all year. I feel like the Gruden family in general, whether they're good coaches or not, it's probably not because all the players are completely trusting of them. You know what I mean? Like John Gruden's the same sort of thing where half the players seemed annoyed at him all the time because he would be one way in public

in a different way privately and always had different answers and Jay's kind of the same way. Let's say RG3 though. The thing that's everybody, the argument becomes sort of simple if you just say he'll never be right next subject. You know, he's just never going to be able to stay healthy so he's not worth talking about. Let's say two years from now he hasn't missed the game because of injury. Is he a great quarterback? Is he a good one?

is he inconsistent? Where's he at? I think that's the biggest riddle in the NFL right now. But I think people always say just, it's not worth discussing because he's never going to be healthy, so why indulge him? I think we don't know what he is. I mean, over the summer,

I went back and watched his rookie year film. I remembered at the time thinking it was mostly him. After watching it, I thought it's mostly Kyle Shanahan in the offense he put him in. I mean, he did extend a lot of plays. He was accurate. I mean, I remember the Giants guys the Giants defensive players saying look this guy's the hardest guy we've ever played against

so a lot of that was him but that offense was so easy for him to perform him when he did it I don't know who I don't know who he is right now my instinct is he'll be like a j cutler type which is that middle middle of the road that's a good call someone's always making a case from someone's always making a case against him but this Washington team this year I don't know they could be playing some meaningful at was at Minnesota this week I think they're going to win that they get a bye week then they're home for Tampa Bay. We could be looking at the 5-and-5 Redskins in week 12 going to San Francisco and being right in the mix.

Interesting. All right. Other quarterback news from that Monday game, Tony Romo, as we know, suffered the back injury. It's being called a contusion, not related to the disc, where he's had the surgery. His week 9 status is in doubt. First thing I just want to throw out to you guys,

and Dave, I'll throw it to you. Do you think Romo should have been back in that game? And were you at all weirded out by how hands-on Jero about the whole situation well jerry you know likes to be in the middle he likes to be in the eye of the storm or where the cameras are pointed that's for sure and which isn't to disparage him that is who he is um good answer yeah why i tagged that just in case one of those shadowy league figures happens to catch that yeah because they couldn't have possibly relayed the news that romo's ready to play over garret's headset he had to be there in person to deliver it well in the moment i was

thinking, wow, this is insane, but I thought he had just suffered a disc injury. And I thought what kind of insanity is this to thrust him back out onto the field? But then it's just a contusion and they give him a shot. It really is one of those things that I feel like if you're in that moment, you don't know if he can drive the ball until you see him try to throw the ball. So I don't think it's a terrible idea. And the thing I'll say about putting Brandon Whedon going with him. If Brandon Whedon gets picked off, knowing what we know now, it's a different story. If Brandon Whedon gets picked off in that last minute and the Redskins win, then people will go crazy about that. You know, they should have. Romo said he was ready to go. They didn't put

him back in. Terrible call by Jason Garrett. My opinion on it is that Jerry, in his mind, he could see the Sports Illustrated Super Bowl video for the Cowboys. And this was like one of the big turning moments of the season where Romo goes down and then Willis reads it back and Jera comes downstairs and says you put him back in and then they lead him to the wind. There was that feeling. Yeah, it all seemed. It was rising.

And clearly, Jerry Jones, who we said loves the spotlight, wanted to be part of this, what seemed like a big moment happening and it kind of farted out. But it's like, in general, like, Whedon was playing well, so it should have been in the game. But what do you guys think? Should Romo play this week? My takeaway from that whole incident was that there's no bigger cream. puff in America than the modern sports writer. They would have gone back in time and tried to convince Willis Reed never to come out of the tunnel

because if you play a sport, you might hurt yourself. Wait, who was mad about him coming back in the game? Oh, Twitter was just crazy. Like, this is dangerous. He could get hurt. Well, you don't know from 2,000 miles away. Maybe we ought to trust the team doctors over a random sports writer who's not within a thousand miles of the stadium.

There is kind of a hazy moral, not that, look, he should play. if they said it does get hazy up on mouth high they're keeping score you play the win if the doctor clears him sure but there is something weird about that oh it's of course it's cool you can get a gigantic torridol pain killing injection in your back which if we just if we just got that city around like we would be knocked out and high but that's cool you can do that every week he did it the week before against the giants too and he underwent an x-ray which would not be able to tell what's going out of the disc it's the MRI so you know we don't know really if the cowboy's even sure if the back was re-injured that's why it gets a little it's a little i don't think he's going to

play this week either just listening to jones in the moment though i'll say that it it's hard to make that judgment right then and there and i guess that's why a head coach gets head coach lute but it does seem to me that as an organization as a head coach and as jerry jones if you said you know what tony i love that you want to get back out there but i'm not going to let i care about you as a guy. I would think that would go miles for the remainder of the 2014 season for the Cowboys to feel like they're in it. I think that matters to feel like the good vibes of Seattle were a major factor in them

going all the way last year. That feel good atmosphere where a family works, I feel like. And Jason Garrett doesn't cut that figure of a lovable head coach, you know. And it almost flipped the other way. if the Redskins had just fallen off that fumble after they blasted Romo, they would have won the game right there and it would have just felt like this huge disaster. Absolutely. The New York Jets are moving away from Gino Smith.

Perhaps for good. Rex Ryan officially announced Monday that the quarterback will be benched in favor of Michael Vick for Sunday's matchup against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. Ryan said, had this to say, I feel right now that this is the right move. not a very tough decision, Wes, for a guy that played one of the worst quarters of football in the history of mankind on Sunday, right? Yeah, John Iswick came out this week

and said he doesn't know if he's a franchise quarterback. Well, we didn't need him to tell us that. The fact that you yanked him is proof that you don't know if he's a franchise quarterback. And now we've seen Gino Smith melt down in two different years for extended periods of time. It just points to, something's not clicking with that guy.

I mean, he can move the ball at times, but just too many meltdowns. Yeah, and I really think he dug his own grave with that press conference on Monday where, you know, the New York media, which was already out to get him before this, seized on this as a moment, and he did himself no favors, by the way he presented himself and didn't then didn't give any answers to any of the questions that they had. So he seems to be caught in like a cyclone of doom right now in New York. I'd be surprised Woody Johnson, who very much cares what's in the papers. I'd be surprised if these kept around.

I think they're going to clean the house after 3 and 13. But I don't think he's going to keep the job for good, Michael Vick, that is. I think he'll have it for a week or two because Michael Vick's been a disaster when he's been on the field. I feel like if he had looked good in the off season at any point, they would have been happy to play Michael Vick a little earlier, but it doesn't seem like he was practicing well. And that kind of hasn't been talked about. I mean, Michael Vick right now is in the top 10 in the league and fumbles this year.

He's played five quarters. He's just four fumbles at how many interceptions. He's been a disaster the two times he stepped out there. So if he goes to Kansas City this week and he's terrible, I think they're only going to stick with him for a week or two and go back to Gino. First of all, Michael Vick is going to go to Kansas City, and he is going to emerge victorious with the Jets is one big prediction. As Wes raises his arms in the air as well.

West picked the Jets to win, too, already. We're getting ahead of ourselves, but what the heck? Well, I picked this one I thought I was alone against the rest of America. The narrative all week is the Jets are such a train wreck. They can't do anything right. They're embarrassing. Idzik's press conference just turned the whole country against them. All accurate.

They had one of the most embarrassing games. They're just a mountain of mess. I think that's bad. Usually when the whole country decides on something like this, the opposite happens. They're not a talentless bunch. They're faulty at QB and have a terrible secondary. Yeah, but the Chiefs are good, and they're at home. Chiefs are a good team.

They're average. There's average as an NFL team gets. That they're playing well every week. There is average as an NFL team gets. To continue my Vic point, what? 46% completions, he's averaging 3.6 yards for attempt. So that's not even in the Gabbard zone. Small sample size.

We need to create a new zone. That's scary. Very small sample. Subgabbard zone. 56 throws. Very small samples. For the record, though, I'm with Han Zeus 100% who made the point, I think it was last week on Twitter, that Idzik's terrible drafting is going to cost Rex Ryan his gig, and it just seems loco.

Is there any chance that Woody will see it this way and say, Idzik, look, you're the problem. We retain Rex. Here's the thing that everyone, I always defend Rex, but shouldn't the fact that he has absolutely no clue what to do with an entire half of the football, which is offense, which is probably the more important half when you get down to it, matter? I mean, that should matter something that he has nothing to do with it and no clue what to do. And the tweet that I sent out, they're referring to, Dave, I got a lot of feedback from people saying, you know, boo-who for Rex. And my feeling on is I actually do think Rex needs to go as well, but I don't think it's fair, because Rex has had plenty of time now

to build this organization on some level. He's been here six years. But I think it's unfair if Rex gets fired and Idzik gets to hang around because Gino Smith set the franchise back two years. Clean house. It's a major miss. Sheldon Richardson's the only thing he ever got right and, you know, that doesn't get you too excited. I think he botched the Dorel Revis situation twice.

So in my mind, I think I'dick's got to go, but it all depends on what Woody wants to do from a patient standpoint. I would like to say this though, Rosenthal. The idea that the coach, in my brain I've always thought, that guy is clearly not engaged at all, on the other side of the ball.

Jason Garrett, I don't think, has a lot to do with defensive schemes, though, in Dallas. John Fox, I'm sure, is not a part of Gason Payton's sessions and so on. You know, I don't think Sean Payton is down there in that. I think Sean Payton's maybe getting involved. But you're right. That's a fair point that most offensive guys aren't too. But Rex really seems like he's totally hands out. And he hasn't done good hiring.

Then it's your job to hire the right people, and he's hired. Tony Spirano and Brian Schottenheimer and Marty Morey. The Jets will fire him and it'll turn someone else's team around. The Buccaneers of cut loose Mark Barron, their first round pick, the number seven overall pick in the 2012 draft. Draft was traded at the deadline on Tuesday to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for a fourth and sixth round pick, according to Rapp Sheet. What would you guys take away from the Mark Barron era in Tampa Bay?

he was drafted to be a hard-hitting guy who had forced turnovers and he never forced turnovers in Tampa Bay he was not a playmaker and that's exactly what he was built to be which is why he was taking in the top ten picks of the draft people who are smarter than me have said he's a better fit for the Rams scheme he's not a bad player he just like oh he was a top ten pick I mean sometimes you'll get safeties like that that are fourth round picks that are good at kind of stopping the run he's not that

really that good in pass coverage. He's just one of those, like, huh, what? And they also took them one pick before Luke Keekley. And that was at a time when people thought they were maybe going to take Keakley. They could have had Luke Keakley and Levanti David? That would have been cool. Here's what's fascinating. First of all, dig up our pals, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks and all the other scouts,

dig up their cold case files on Mark Bair. And he was about as guaranteed to be a big-time NFL players. Yeah, people love that draft. But the other factor that's bad, it's the same thing we saw with USC about eight years ago. Guys that emerge from the dominant college program, it's hard to figure out how big a factor they were when they were surrounded by other blue chip guys. Matt Leiner, to fact, and so on. A lot of Bama guys, some have turned out to be great, but a lot of others have been complete busts. Fred Richardson to begin with.

Yeah, that's almost all of them. It feels like a couple have been okay, but Alabama. Well, Ingram's turned it around a little bit. I mean, until then, you had two guys in a row who were just... Last Sunday night was a showcase for Alabama backs. Eddie Lacey had 182 yards from scrimmage. To me, this move, though, is also Lovie Smith and Jason Light their GM. Just being like, hey, all those guys that Shiano and Dominic took, they stink.

We're going to try to get rid of them, like Vincent Jackson or Doug Martin or Barron's. Like, we didn't choose those guys. Let's just dump them. We wanted to be clear what we think of them. Because Anthony Collins and Michael Johnson are working out so well. So what number pick was Mark Byron again? Number seven. The number seven pick in the 1999 draft.

Who was that? Pop quiz. How would I? How would you mean? I don't know. Michael Bailey. Oh, nice transition. Well done.

Wow. That's going to just... Look who just sits back and shifts his eyes until he gets his praise. Victory. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something. I am God. Champ Bailey is retiring after 15 seasons.

in the NFL champ who came up with the Redskins was a stud there went to the Broncos was a stud there didn't work out with the Saints got cut in the summer didn't catch on with another team so the 12-time Pro Bowl selection hangs them up 207 starts a first ballot Hall of Famer right no doubt we don't know what a first ballot Hall of Famer is but you would have to think he ends up there eventually I thought Marvin Harrison was a first ballot Hall of Famer so who knows what went on there yeah I don't know wasn't it cool that he retired on the trade deadline day because he was involved in the could have been moved yeah oh right he was involved in one of the few challenge

trades that we ever see him and clinton porous one of the biggest and really best trades of the last what decade or two worked worked out pretty well for both teams although denver i think it would never happen today why not uh just cut down corner of running i wish it would that's that is the one thing pro football lacks versus all the other big time sports i'll say two things one kudos to champ's parents it's not his given name but at an early age he was champ and his brother is boss and they both wind up playing pro football but imagine if they didn't it's the same thing i always say about merlin olson's parents that infant emerges and they decide let's name them after a fictional medieval wizard what if he ends up being a janitor

hey merlin clean up three is clogged you mind getting the work your magic on that one there, friend? Get your magic wand out, Merlin. Hey, champ. Clean up on aisle seven, you know? That it becomes a sarcastic. Yeah. So condescending. And the other thing is with that, though, the first ballot hall of fame thing I always think about is, again, it goes back to this, the voters of who goes into the Hall of Fame really do make this vote up on Mount Pius. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, no, he's a Hall of Famer, you understand. He's not a first ballot hall. Is he all in the Hall of Fame or not? What do you mean? What is your measurement that you're doing he's and within and the guys who get in on the first ballot hold

themselves up on a higher plane than anybody who just gets a gold jacket but the voters doing that move of i i'll vote for him don't don't worry about that i'm just not going to give him my first uh the first vote i don't want them getting a big head you understand but they are charged with that responsibility i think they i think you will though just to predict he will because people they They love the long-tail 12-13-time pro bowlers, which I'd prefer the guys who were really dominant for five, six, seven years. Champ Bailey really, he maybe wasn't quite that guy. He was three first-time all pros.

I mean, he was terrific. He's a no-brainer, but he wasn't like Drell Revis was in his peak. By the way, champ, if someone calls you champ, it's one of the more condescending things. One that I hate is one people call me big guy. It's like, basically, hey, fatty, that's the way I take. So, you know, don't probably shit, like waiters and mechanics. I always wondered how big guys actually feel about. I take it personally, especially playing basketball.

It's the usual thing. Like, hey, that's different. It's like a 19-year-old waiter or something. Yeah. It's like, what do you need, big guy? Chief, sport, ace, goose, biscuit. I've got a son on the way here, and I'm really trying to think of name. You do?

I got nothing, and I need something. Oh, there's no. Champ's pretty good. This is my belly with. Please, come to me. B.J. Upton. Do you know what that stands for? Tell me.

Boss man, Jr. It fits you. It fits you. B.J. Rosenthal, boss man, junior. That's the coolest name ever. That's awesome. B.J. Rosenthal. And Justin does got Justin.

I know. I want to be boss man, Jr. Justin is a far superior player, though. So maybe it should be Justin Rosenthal. Yeah. No, I don't like that. All right. So that's it.

That's what's happening. Let it. Let's now move. It is the mid-season point of the season, right? It's hard to figure this out. Well, as we're taping, I think it would be the perfect. That is exactly mid-season. There's the eight weeks, and we're halfway to week nine.

On NFL.com, we have our 2014 NFL mid-season report, and there's all sorts of content from us and others on dot com and NFL now. And, Dave, you doing anything mid-seasony? No, awkward. However. I cast my vote for the, you know, whatever the MVP. The rest of the year, yeah. We weren't even involved.

Yeah, we were. We've been getting Ali downstairs, has been sending us emails like, please, guys, we need this. All right, my fault. We were emailed on it. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to do it as soon as we get downstairs.

Anyway, so. You can see Dave's picks, though, for the Super Bowl, alongside Luminary. Well, what we did was. What Buckie Brooks and I did was, because it's the week when the college football final four gets unveiled for the first time, but we did what's going to be the final four.

of the NFL, not based on where they're seated currently, because that goes off of the math of it. But just who do you think is going to wind up in that one? It's a fun conversation to have, I think. I don't like any options of going off your preseason pick, like unless your teams have tank. I kind of agree with that. You just have to stick with it. I have the Patriots and the Packers. It's like, all right, they're in the mix.

Except to say this. You're not allowed to change. Except this. You know, you could see this in the preseason as a good matchup, but now that you've watched these teams play, Broncos at Colts would just be just, just dandy stuff. I mean, how can you imagine how excellent that would be? I do. Well, I mean, it was a fun game to watch.

It was. It was more fun than the Broncos Colts game earlier in the year. Call me a bore, but I want another Brady Manning for all the marbles. One more. All right. We've only got so much of them left. Yeah, why not? Enough.

Like Brady said, I can't, I can't wait to see what I do when I'm his age next year. All right. So, Greg, you wrote a piece on our site. Winners and losers from the first half of the season. Really good stuff. I enjoyed it. Dan always condescendingly pretends that he reads their columns. Listen, champ.

I'm reading it. No, call him BJ from now on. So, yeah, Greg, you broke it down into two categories, moving up and moving down. So why don't we start with the tops of the list? So first moving up, you talk about the playoff races. You're excited about the playoff races. Well, I am kind of the playoff picture guru. or whatever.

I always write about it on the site. I'm into it. Eleven winning teams right now in the AFC, so that's fun. And then in the NFC, you've got the 49ers, Saints, and Seahawks all out of the playoff mix at midseason. So it just sets up for a delicious stew. And a lot of all the good teams are all playing against each other down the stretch. I'm going to cherry pick here.

Also, free agent wide receivers. And Wes, you have a piece up, your biggest free agent signings in the NFL right now. Right at the top of the list, you have two guys, bang. Golden Tate and Steve Smith. I can't believe Steve didn't get number one on the list. That's how good Golden Tate has been. I told you last podcast, I'd put him in a top 10 list for MVP. You guys kind of knocked the Broncos just assuming that they could easily replace Eric Decker,

and they pretty much have done it with Emmanuel Sanders. Absolutely. I was dead wrong about Emmanuel Sanders. Now, in my defense, we did not see this guy in Pittsburgh. He wasn't making plays in traffic and burning people deep like he's been in Denver. Well, there is a weird phenomenon that happens in most sports, and it's hard to put your finger on what happens from place to place. The easy one is Emmanuel Sanders hailed Peyton and, you know, the work ethic and everything else.

That is also the correct one, by the way. Well, that might be true. There's probably something to that that he coaches up his receivers better than Bend us. But there is a counter to that that no one ever really does discuss, which is there are certain receivers that play better with a freelancing quarterback like Rathusberger, Emmanuel Sanders. I bet would San Antonio Holmes, I mean, listen, his departure wasn't the greatest from Pittsburgh, but in his time there, there's not been a guy until really that now the emergence of Antonio

who worked better than San Antonio. They had a chemistry, which is basically when the play broke down, San Antonio knew how to get back to him and find Rathlisberger's spot. And Rathlberger would consistently connect with him. And San Antonio would pay it off by making plays after the catch. That's why they got to resign Randall Cobb. I was going to say the same thing. He's that guy.

He's the guy when the play breaks down. It's just the two of them figure it out. They have a mind melt when the play breaks down. Rogers looks for Cobb. Did you put Deshawn Jackson on the list? I need to check out this list. He's honorably mentioned. Brandon Lafell also has been a nice little.

Honorably mentioned. A lot of good wide receivers. Greg, you also have rookie-wide receivers on your list of the movers, Kelvin Benjamin, Sammy Watkins, Brandon Cooks, John Brown, all guys. Bottom of the list, your last two moving-up entries that gets me excited. Never thought I'd see this. You can never predict the NFL season. John Elway and Kyle Orton back to back at the bottom of the list, Kyle Orton.

How good has Kyle Orton been? The Quiet Warrior, if you put it. Sessler will be outside. If you didn't know who he was, you would think, I don't know, I'm trying to think of a, who has he been as good this year? it's only been four games but he's got eight yards per attempt nine touchdowns three and he's been very solid good as eli manning and cars and palmer right he's been better than kyle orton ever was before he's been j cutler well it's fun to look at him in in in a year where we saw a lot of young qbs

play back up to start the season to these journeyman guys mcnawn and so on orton who was on no roster at the start of the season has outperformed all those guys who teams foolishly thought Yeah, we're going to roll with this 34-year-old journeyman. And, yeah, he's a better option than the young, big-arm kid. He's making people money. I mean, he's going to play another five years if he wants to, Orton. And he's going to keep Morone and their GM Whaley in their jobs for next year. Basically, Orton will be responsible for that.

It's going to be responsible for an extension on their house. I don't know about that. Now we look at moving down. John Idzig's at the top of the list. We talked about him. I cannot talk about the glacier anymore. unless you have something else to add, Greg. Tell me about the NSA.

That's sweater choices, even. Oh, he's just the worst. He's one of those guys. The less he says, I feel like that press conference was a big advertisement for why he shouldn't be a leader of an organization. What's the Jason Whitlock line that you sometimes cite that Mike Tanabom is sitting back in his chair,

rolling a big, cackling. Cackling and rolling a blunt. Our friend of the podcast, Mike Tannenbaum. How did you feel so bad anymore? As a Jets fan. I don't want you, but did you the patronizing, the Jets fans deserve better than this? And he also, Black Tive, no one in this room gets it,

the tone that he took, like, a lot of responsibility. I've let down, I've let down countless New Yorkers. Do you think you're Spider-Man? He's off. Your talk about the responsibility is too great for you to understand. And then, you know, saying that he's, you know, I've won before, and you haven't used, he was like a mother. money man.

Yeah, what he was with Tampa and then Seattle. Beans in Seattle. Exactly. He's not that guy. The whole thing disgust me. Anyway, so the NFC South, you have disappointed you, Greg. Well, it always has been my sneaky favorite division, the NFC South. Probably because I kind of like the Saints and I always kind of, I always like Cam Newton.

And the Falcons are under rain. I thought the bucks were going to be good. It's just, it's the worst they've ever been in this division. The NFL usually, fans usually ignore this division. anyways this year they should tomato cans they are the falcons are terrible see you Rosenthal and Wessling they use their eyeballs to break down X's and O's I use my gut and my gut told me as a human being in August all I needed to see was the first 90 seconds that Tiva Smith walks into the Atlanta Falcons room there to kibbets with the 80 or so guys

in his Tivas we got guys we got to get tough we got to get tough we got to get tough tougher, tougher guys. That's it. That's it. That's going nowhere. One of the more cringeworthy moments in Hard Knocks ever is that premiere where that was the entire basis of the episode. And it was just done in such a clunky manner. Like they had no idea how to get tough, but it was just like we need to be tough.

We got it. We bring in Brian Cox and Mike Tice solves everything. Talk about cringe-worthy. I guess Damasek has a better window into, you know, the soul of humans and where they're going. Because Dan watched that same. program and took from it that this team's moral fiber is so hard I'm going to so great that I'm going to pick them to go to the playoffs I got stuck in that this it convinced you no I definitely didn't cite the moral fiber of the team but I did as Greg we've talked about that it's very easy

to get sucked into a team on hard knocks thinking they're going to be good and not this year yeah I and they were not good they started out okay but I don't know who said it today this has been such a long podcast because Dave's involved you know excuse me if they would have have won that game in England they're in the mix the medium that's right but the medium is to talk and yet i always get despaired for talking it's a crazy i don't understand uh all right finally uh let's just go over uh we want to talk about seattle's invincibility west you decide what gregg should talk on or nick falls is long-term viability let's talk about one of these i feel like seattle's been done to death let's hear about nick nick fool's will nick fool's be the starter

Opening day. Yeah, Greg. Interesting. No. I think if he, I think he's going to continue playing like this, and I think if he continues playing like this, they're going to bring in at the least someone to compete with him,

a good strong campaign or drafts something. And why? Because he's not as good as his numbers. He could bring a tomato can off the street to put up those numbers in this offense. Bringing Dennis Dixon or something from the old Oregon days. What about Mark Sanchez? G.J. Kinney.

Yeah, maybe. I wouldn't be shocked if Sanchez plays this year. the way things are going I don't know I mean you know that that seems silly until you consider you know is clownie going to go on Sunday because if clowny goes

and you have Watt and the crowd noise in Houston and everything there's a chance that the Texans could take down the Eagles and then then the noise will really get loud out of Philly if Foll's underperforms against a big pass rush I think the move is to bench him like after a win

like Chip Kelly hey we're scoring four 40 points, but this guy stinks. We should be scoring 60. That's the Chip Kelly. Only a genius would do that. All right, gentlemen. So let's get into the discussion of what teams we see falling off in the second half.

This is a mid-season show on the around the NFL podcast. So this will be teams that are doing well that I guess, Greg, are, if the season ended today, if you play that dumb game, they would be in the playoffs or near the playoffs. Yeah, they have winning records. They're doing okay. Things are going well and that could fall apart. And now that's all going to fall apart. So what we did, we all went off independently.

We sat down and combed through the numbers and the schedules and pick teams who might fall off. So the boss, we're going to start with you, Greg. Who is the team you see falling off in the second half this season? Well, I'm cheating. I'm going to take two teams in the AFC. Oh, come on. Well, it's the same.

All right. All right, well, we'll start with the dolphins then. The dolphins and the bills for many. of the same reasons. Good early in the season, but if you look at their road schedule the rest of the way, you have some automatic losses at Denver, at New England, and then at Detroit also in the mix, and then some very tough home games against the Chargers, Bills, and Ravens. So I think they've benefited from a pretty early season schedule.

When the two of them face the Bills and the Dolphins in week 11, that feels like an elimination game. Like you have to win that game to get into the playoffs. I, you know, we always know the dolphins are going to fall off in the second half, though. I'm just saying they've got, that's a brutal schedule. You know, even if it was a decent schedule or a favorable schedule, they were going to blow it. It wasn't our bold prediction segment or anything. This is just who's got a tough slate the rest of the way. Joe Philbin's fighting for his job.

I don't think either of those teams is going to the playoffs. Well, I'm with Greg. That continues with the same tepid tone that Rosenz all established there. You want bold. Is that what you're asking for, Hanson? Yeah, give us something big. You know who's going to fall off? Who?

The Seattle Seahawks. They're already struggling, and everything is getting, you know, Jeff Darlington on record this week. Oh, it's overrated. I went into the locker room, and Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman said there's no smoke here. So it must be true. And after surviving against Carolina, which is what they did, is survive in that game, They're going to get to six and three because they host the Raiders and then now the damaged New York Giants. So all these concerns will be long in the rearview mirror.

But then look at what happens to their schedule. Listen to this brutal six game stretch. At KC. Cardinals at San Francisco on Thanksgiving night, which you know means the crowd's going to be jacked up. At Philly. Then the Niners back in Seattle. Then at Arizona. They're going to have to go, by my count, I think they have to go better than 500 in that six game stretch to make the postseason. Because if we assume six wins by the time they begin that, and then let's say they win their home game to close the season out at home against the Rams, that's seven wins.

If they only go three and three in that slate, ten wins, I don't think gets them into the NFC postseason. I agree. I think it's going to be 11 this year. It's a top heavy. And right now, they're 8. It's a top heavy year. There's 11 AFC teams that have a win. winning record right now.

It could be one of those years that a bunch of 10 and 6 teams don't get let in. By the way, is it just me or is Russell Wilson approaching, even maybe going past Derek Jeter as far as the athlete that says nothing that shuts down everything with the most cliched response is possible, quite possibly now the most boring athlete in America. It's Peyton Manning's title. No. Payton's much better. Peyton drops a couple bits in there.

Peyton Manning is the godfather of that rule. But he's got some bits too that he works in sometimes. It's got a little bit of an uncle humor thing going on. Russell Wilson is just dry. I agree with Hanson is incredibly boring. He's always been. I don't think that's a new one, but you're right. I hate all the shutting down.

And he's also the one that the media will always defend. Kind of like, we're damaged. Talking about a league where a starting quarterback was ordered to cut his hair and shave his mustache. It's a shame. The league is worse for, sports is worse for the lack of personality and having it tamped down. for the purposes of the team. It doesn't suit the individual, of course. Everybody, if they want to market themselves,

should be Muhammad Ali or Charles Barkley or Shaq Fu. And instead, you know, it's bad for the team. So then Russell Wilson behaves like he's a political candidate and shame the devil if he says anything. Whereas Peyton Manning does have a bad habit of, well, it's actually funny. If you get under his skin, I think I've had some pretty good years. If you ask him like, hey, what's going on?

You've gotten picked off four times in the last two games. What's going on? I think my resume speak, you can get under his skin pretty good. It's true. It's true. And Peyton Manning, great commercial actor, too, Wes, as you attest to, correct? Worst commercial actor ever. All right, let's get back.

So, listen, let me throw a mind out there. And this hurts me a little bit because they are, and Dave, I don't know if you're aware of this. The official team of around the NFL this year is the San Diego Chargers, the Super Chargers. I don't have a good feeling about the second half. They're five and three now. coming up back-to-back losses they are at miami this week to me that's a coin flip game uh then they have their buy then they have raiders and rams at home so that sets up pretty nice you got to win both those games then it gets real tricky in the in the back end the last five games at ravens

home to patriots home to broncos at niners at chiefs uh so if they don't take care of business in the next three weeks if they lose two of three in the next three weeks which would be a surprise especially with the Raiders involved, but not absolutely stunning, then they're in pretty hot water, I would think. That's the toughest closing stretch, I think, in the entire NFL. We do have an article about this up. Ooh, NFL.com slash midseason report. It's in there somewhere.

And look at all those games. Why did you talk over my hesitation before? Oh, I forgot. It's my bit. I forgot the bit. It's an old bit. Okay. I think they're going to be the underdogs in five of those games.

Five straight games, Possibly to end the season. They're not going to be favored in any one of those. Did we look at the schedule before we name them, the team A round in the NFL? I listened. I did one worse. I picked them to win the division, the division that includes the Denver Broncos. The thing I didn't count on was the chiefs being relevant.

I mean, this, I said last week, I feel like no one, it talks about the chiefs. It's really weird if you think about it. This team is now four and three. They won four in a row. And nobody says boo about them. and what that says to me is it proves we all like the narratives that we establish and then if something goes against it's like well but i've written and talked a lot about that now i don't really want to acknowledge i was wrong about that somebody talks about them because

every team in the league is four and three it's not that unique to be the chief and by the we've talked about this especially tough but they get san francisco wheat 16 which they have uh we've talked about they could san francisco could be back to what we thought they were last year by then when they get a little more healthy and start to hit their group as we expect them to do potentially. I think Chargers Chiefs, that's the early favorite for the Sunday night football week 17 because they don't care. It can't go for ratings.

They just go whatever game puts a winner into the playoffs and that feels like that's going to be for the team. Maybe Andy Reed will field his team this year. Andy Reed, Wes, your team. I look at this a little bit differently. If you're a great team, it doesn't matter too much what your schedule is. you're going to win more than your fair share of games. If you're a team that's been kind of lucky so far,

and you've been winning a lot of games in which one or two plays is a turning point, that's the Arizona Cardinals. And they have a tough schedule. They close versus Seattle and at San Francisco. That's really tough. I don't see them. They are what their record says they are,

but they've also been lucky, and over the course of the year, that tends to even out a little bit. I think the Cardinals fall off. You could almost say that whole division, has a tough slate at the end because they all play each other in Arizona they still have Dallas they have Kansas City they have Detroit San Francisco actually looks like the one out of that group that's maybe sitting pretty they've gotten two division road games out of the way

already for a team that's played every game close at Atlanta is no gimme well and you know first of all this is a massive weekend for some juicy matchups with obviously Brady and Peyton but neither are those guys really needs it I think both of those guys or both of those teams are obviously at least going to win their division. For seeding, though, it might be another matter. Ravens, Pittsburgh, big, but the biggest of them all is that Cowboys Cardinals game. I feel like whoever loses that game is in some, you know, their season, they're not off the rails, but they're in legit jeopardy of losing their division.

If the Cardinals lose that one, the West's point, you know, the Seahawks, everybody who assumes, well, the Seahawks and 49ers are ultimately going to catch the Cardinals. That's going to happen, except those two teams haven't played. each other yet. So if they split that series, that puts them at four losses. The Cardinals have won. Even if the Seahawks were to sweep them, they still would have one game up on them. So the Cardinals need to beat the Cowboys this weekend. Conversely, if the Cowboys go into a two-game skid. See, their schedule is not too bad, but we did these bold predictions for the second half, and we wrote them on Monday. And mine was that the Cowboys won't make the playoffs,

which is looking a little less bold now that they've lost to the Redskins and Romo got hurt. I can see that happening. They're a team, I don't see. see many gimmee wins. All right. Great work, guys. Thank you, Dan. I thought we all really brought the heat, dropped the hammer on the people.

All right, let's get into the Thursday night game. This is a good Thursday night game. And if they may get a lollipop from some shadowy league figures, the first NFL network game. No CBS. Sorry, Les Moon Bayes. The NFC South Showdown between the Saints and the Panthers is only on NFL Network, and it's a good game.

Very good game. It will decide who moves into first place in the division. The Saints maybe got back on track with a big win at home over the Packers and certainly looked explosive, including Wes's boy, Mark Ingram, going off, Wes's boy of Stables, Stable of Boys, excuse me, Mark Ingram, and the Carolina Panthers, tough loss to the Seahawks in their own building. Now they have a big home game against the Saints who stake on the road. How do we see it?

I just wrote up this preview for the site. The Panthers have a problem up front. They're without both starting guards and left tackle Byron Bell. They're starting a rookie undrafted free agent at left tackle. Junior Colette is going to come off that side just licking his chops. Saints' defense hasn't exactly traveled well in a while like this entire year. This was a tough one to pick because a road team, the Saints have had problems in Carolina regardless over the last few years.

and on a short week, I had a hard time picking the Saints, but I still did anyways, because it just seems like they're getting their mojo back together. And Carolinas is not a very good team. I think we're still thinking that there's parts of last year left, but all they are is Cam Newton, and that's about it. Yeah, but that's a massive factor, obviously, is Cam Newton. I think that, and he's an inconsistent performer, obviously. He's inconsistent with his accuracy, so you never know when that's going to benefit the team.

He could explode on Thursday night. the prime time all that and have a great game but that said west was the first one to call out mark ingram and if they can stick to banging him like that against uh against uh the the carolina front there i think they should win that game here's i picked the panthers and you guys made good points about there may not be that good a team but yes the cam newton factor and then cannot sleep on the road element enough with the saints their own for it on the road this season and they've lost 10 of including the playoffs. They're not just a mediocre road team.

They're one of the worst road teams in football. And even coming off a great win on Sunday night, I can't get behind them and I won't pick them on the road until they win a big game, which this would be. And by the way, Aaron Rogers doesn't get hurt in that game. I'm not 100% sure that they even win that one. Carolina played pretty well last week against Seattle, I thought for the most part.

That's a misleading final score. Russell Wilson blew two touchdowns in one series. Marshawn Lynch dropped a touchdown leading going to the halftime. You can make those cases in every game both ways. Seattle should have scored 25 or 30 points in the game. Carolina fumbled while on a handoff on the 10-yard line and Kelvin Benjamin dropped a touchdown. You know, you can find that in both things. They actually, I don't know if they found a, their defensive line is so bad this year compared to last year,

but Connie Ely started showing up a little bit last week, maybe a little. Here's the problem. Let me say this. This is something, this has been my big observation or, or. speculation, I should say, of the week and talk to Nate Burleson, who obviously lives up in Seattle and knows Marshawn Lynch and the rest. The premise that now Percy Harvin's got, now they get back to Seahawks football. What got them there last year, just pound 25, 30 times a game, Marshaun Lynch. The problem is Marshaun Lynch isn't the sort of guy knowing he's on his way out the door.

The organization's made that clear. Hey, tote the ball for us. We're going to run you into the ground because we have no future with you. So just do our bidding for the next couple. couple months here. Which is such a cold sentiment, by the way. It is. As an aside, we always hear that all the time about a guy in the contract here. Just run them up. You don't need him next year.

It's like, God. Hey, I don't get what the point is here. So if they ask him to carry it 25 times, he's going to say, nope, my limit's 20. I'm done for the day. No, but he is a banger. He's averaging more yards per carry this year than last. The only reason he's not having as good as a year because he's not giving him the ball. That's, that's Damashek's prediction.

There is a gathering cloud. Listen, he's petulant on social media With the towards the team And jump at the White House What do you think this guy's going to be Whatever you want Whatever you guys need I have no doubt that he's petulant

I don't know how this theory actually Not running hard How about that? Well, wouldn't that show up in the stats somehow Or on film? No, I didn't say it had begun yet I'm saying as the season wears on How is that going to help his value though

If he wants to make money next year? I don't think he, that's my point You have professional integrity and that's what carries the day. Hey, I want to have a career beyond 2014. Ergo, I'm going to put out. I think Marshaun Lynch is the sort of guy who's like, yeah, you want to mistreat me?

I'll show you. I'll mistreat you. Meanwhile, poor Panthers fans out there wondering that, you know, they used to be the team of ATL. Now they don't even get talked about in their own segment. That is what it is. They're not exciting this year. Yeah.

We don't reward mediocrity. And by the way, I don't know what they're good at. They're not good at anything. It will be a fascinating case study, by the way. Marshaun Lynch and Free Agency during his age 29 season, somebody's going to probably overpay for him. If the Saints do win this game suddenly, you're a Super Bowl pick, which looked insane.

At least they're going to look like heavy favorites to have a home game in the playoffs if they just win this game. It's almost like the first half never happened. They need three, though. If they get the defense getting a little better. It's exactly right. And there's no dominant team in the NFC. Right.

Well, then you're the four seed at best probably in their situation. But it's almost like the first half. after the season doesn't happen if they win this game not really they can finish with the nfc's bill how about tiva mike in his gang over in london if they pull that one out against the lions on sunday they're right in the middle of the in the crummy nmc south rate they can absolutely win that terrible scorekeeping i you have the saints in this game i did yes greg the saints are my power pick i have the panthers dura sails i thought you'd be with me dave by the i always love cam newton and he gives them the so-called puncher

chance but I just think practically Mark Ingram banging that defense on the ground all day is going to win out. I didn't miss that plug at all. Great battery that. You might get a hero pick out of this. Sessler's also on the scene. Tasty. And that's it, gentlemen. For another edition of the Around the NFL

podcast, the Wednesday edition, Dave Damashek, thank you so much for joining. Oh, the time was gay. I thought it was a lot of fun. Sorry I talked a lot. No, it was expected and we enjoyed it. So it's like a supersized version. Dave Damashick football program, the Sheck Report, Football Baby,

NFL, all sorts of great Dave contact. And that's it for the show. This is Dan Hansa signing off for the mailman, the boss, and TD behind the glass. Until Thursday. This is an I-Heart podcast.