NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Latest news & "What's more Likely?"

Episode Date: November 20, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- react to the latest NFL news including Adrian Peterson's suspension and the RGIII drama in Washington. The guys also preview TNF between the Chiefs and Raiders and play a new round of "What's More Likely?"Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. It's happening. I had to spend one summer at an asbestos awareness class. Was that part of your probation? No, I was involved with my old law firm job. They were remodeling, and I was the only one allowed on the floor. So I had to go, I think I probably got asbestosis for a while, contributed to my asthma. The entire summer?

Well, you had to go, like, for a week or two. Chris Wesleyan's roaring 30s. I was in my 20s when this happened Well, I'm glad, we're all glad that you're still with us And while on this subject of health I just want to send out a wish for a speedy recovery To someone who's very close to us at this podcast Someone we look up to

We respect their work Suffered an unfortunate injury in an athletic Contest of some kind Bono of you two So get well soon, but just kidding Daniel Jeremiah The tour is Achilles tendon playing basketball, DJ. So I know that we sometimes, or I have my issues with DJ.

Don't include us on this. However, I did not want to see that happen. And to Damashek, who said on Twitter that on some level I was using this as an angle to get onto DJ's show, not totally inaccurate, but at the same time, I never wanted to happen this way. Get well soon, DJ. I sent him a message on Twitter, a direct. DM, as they call it, and said, you know, sorry to hear about this, and he wrote back, thanks, dude. So he is still operating online. He is still with us on Twitter and other

various portals. DJ operates Twitter like he's Dan Cortez. What does that mean? Thanks, dude. You know, Dan Cortez reference. Queuing 90s again. He spoke in as a guy who like only watched the first real world season right there. We have a great show today. But seriously, get well, soon, DJ. That was bad news. We have a great show. Actually, Bono, stay how you are.

Who needs more Bono? Do not take shots at Bono. You know, that's not. In a bad week. You know, the guy almost fell out of a freaking plane, too. Poor Bono. Anyway, we have a great show today. We're going to get into one of our favorite games. We love to play our games. What's More Likely? We're going to throw out some what's more likely questions to the group here. I have some written up, just doing my job, Greg, doing my job.

I know. We didn't prepare any, so I hope you're not counting on that. Yeah, we'll also get into the Thursday night game, a little Thursday night preview. And also, of course, we're going to do some news. Before that, Greg, you wanted to reach in to an email we received recently about, or what were you doing? Well, we've got a whole, you know, a great new member of the team helping us on, you know, social. Social media, Mike, and, you know, he had the idea of it. Social media, Mike.

Yeah, social media mic. And, you know, he was saying it'd be cool if we, like, read one of the comments on our iTunes page as a way to kind of, you know, hey, go give us some five stars in iTunes, you know, help us out a little bit. We've not many comments lately, all that. It helps the show. So we were going to read it out of life. Do you want to read it, Dan? I love to read. If it's positive, I love to read everything positive.

All right. This is from I need gas, too. Geez, all right, buddy, hang in there. Best NFL podcast ever, five stars. These guys are nothing but hilarious and intelligent. Each member of the team has a unique personality. Wow. And it's not just a group agreeing on everything.

The arguments are half the fun. They involve the audience, don't pull punches, and are great about keeping an unbiased take on every team, mostly. It's talking about you there, Mark. My number one overall podcast and number one NFL should be daily show based purely on entertainment value. That's pretty good. That's a good one. Which one of you guys wrote that?

That's almost uncomfortably nice. I don't like it when I hear. I felt uncomfortable reading it at first, but then as the compliments started to wash over, it felt good. And I just started getting into the read a little bit. I like it. You know, so if you may. Mark, no comments, well, Bumby. Yeah, it's a little bit much.

Let's just, you know, we're at the point where we're just going to gloat over ourselves at this point. Have you been around the last year and a half? That's all we do. That's a big thing. Maybe the guy would have gas in his car. Maybe people hear this. They'll leave their own and, you know, they'll get written. Maybe they can be more creative.

than this. It'll be funny, something. If you write a review. Well, nice job. None of this four-star garbage or three-star, not so bad, not so good, five-star classic podcast, we might read it on the air. So if you go to iTunes, this is despicable stuff we're doing right now, but that's how you win the game. You play to win the game.

Don't name it. We won the game last year without pandering to our audience. Now we pander. Oh, okay. We pander in 2K-14. Let's do some news But behind the glass There's something different going on there

And a familiar face Look at this A handsome face A man that so eligible As a Bachelor once Drew the crush and admiration Of one of our female fans He is the Immortal Gold Standard

Hey guys Oh yeah Don't act like you don't have a sound bit there No I didn't I felt kind of weird Pause give yourself a fake round of applause Can we do this one? Sure Why not?

You've been a hand Hanging out with T.D. too much. No one has helped the bank account of Cool and the Gang more than the around the NFL podcast. So if any new listeners to the show this year, Zach Goldman, the Gold Standard, was our producer for much of this off season. And last year, I can't even really remember anymore. It's all just a blur. But it's good to have him back. Thank you so much.

TD busy working on another project he deemed more important than our podcast. No, wouldn't he do that? So Gold Center steps up and does his job. We also got Zach Dressler, work in the video side of it today. Z-Drizzle? Is that what it came up? Yeah, Z-Drizzle. And social media, Mike.

And, of course, social media Mike as well, who's going to take us to the Promise Land. Gold Center, what's going on with you? Anything new? So little, my friends. Just back here in the Promised Land of Culver City, trying to make it in America. Do you have a girlfriend to that one woman out there that was all over it? You know, I don't have a girlfriend right now. And still in the mix, ladies.

If you give me a five-star rating on iTunes, who knows? Goldstandard and I are going to go on a double date at some point. I'm in. All right, Gold Standard. Welcome back. We love having you here. Let's do some news. Let's do it.

We start. I'm used to having one of TD's little sound bites there. Now I'm feeling a little bad about missing out on TD. Nothing against you. There's a rumor that he's locked in another room with Doug. tape over his mouth. Cannot confirm or deny this. We told you about abductions.

It's in a broom closet. All right, let's start with some news, and we'll go with Adrian Peterson, who is suspended officially without pay for the rest of 2014. This came down on Tuesday. The NFL announced that Peterson will be out without pay and cannot be considered for reinstatement before April 15, 2015. There was a appeal, correct? already that well his grievance was heard already right that has been shot down by an independent

arbitrator so that isn't making the nf-shaiam doss or or uh you know adrian peterson very happy so it's hard to see him coming back to the field anytime soon yeah so this is uh and that's it i mean barring something really crazy adrian peterson will not play this season uh you know without getting too much into it i find the whole thing very frustrating i don't think anybody handled as well starting with Peterson's actions off the field, how the Vikings try to get them back on the field and then pulled them off and then turned their back on them in my mind, the way the NFL maybe wasn't exactly done in a way that is easy to follow

and follows the letter of the law. It kind of seems like it's going all over the place. So it just ends with Adrian Peterson, one of the great players of our generation, disappearing for a year, and that's what happened. It's not over quite yet because he still has the appeal to the NFL, but now there's an argument who's, going to hear that appeal, whether it's Roger Goodell or someone else.

So don't worry. We'll still have more Adrian Peterson posts. It'll keep coming. Wonderful. A little more Adrian to come in the show, but a little more fun talking about him. We move on. Robert Griffin III is, again, at the center of controversy in Washington. We talked about how awful he was on Sunday as a player.

Did not play well at all in a loss of the bucks at home. After the game, he made some comments about how. how a quarterback can't be great unless his teammates are great. That led to Jake Rudin on Monday, calling out RG3 and saying he's not even close to playing good enough as a quarterback, and then also admonishing him for making those comments saying Robert has to worry about Robert. Then RG3 comes back on Wednesday after sending a Facebook message out. This is exhausting, but this is the Redskins, sending a Facebook message out saying, I would never throw teammates on the bus.

RG3 has his media conference and gives the same answer over and over again. We're focused on San Francisco, gets a little cute, pulls a little Belichick move. And then Jake Rudin came out on a – and did his press conference a couple hours after that and apologized for being so blunt in his assessment of RG3, saying he shouldn't have done that on Monday. This team, this franchise, is addicted to drama, and none of it is healthy. RG3 can't say what he said. whether he threw his teammates under the bus or not, you're the quarterback, you're the leader.

You cannot disparage your teammates by comparing them to what other quarterbacks have. And I'm glad Jay Gruden came down hard on him. And I prefer that Jay Gruden, who got to speak his mind before Redskins Management came to him and told him he had to change his message. It's so obvious. Not only did Redskins management go to Jay and be like, pipe down, Jay.

They went to RG3 and said, don't say a thing in your press concert. Everyone's getting muzzled as if that's going to fix it. It's just the whole thing is a mess. it's an exhausting team to deal with i think as a football writer at this point and i and i think part of it is the is the media in washington or all over our g3s every move and grunas every move as are we but i would just say that of all the teams that had so much hope a couple seasons ago to where they are now and it doesn't everyone thought i thought oh when they get when they flush shanahan out of there right remember how crazy that was at the end of last year you wouldn't

have thought it could have been just as bad this year it somehow has gotten that bad and i think it starts with the fact that RG3's play on the field. He hasn't won a game where he started and finished the game in over a year at this point. It's like everyone had the comparison of him and luck or home runs. It's just whatever, whichever one you pick, you can't go wrong for your organization. That's not been the case on any level. He's been a drama magnet. You guys are saying, you know, the organization told Gruden to do an about face. And I'm sure there was conversations, you know, with PR, with hires up. But I don't doubt that Jay Gruden regrets going that hard because he napombed him.

I mean, we don't normally see a coach say things like he took three step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one step drop when he should have taken three on a couple of things. He stepped up when he didn't have to. You know, Robert wasn't even close to being good enough. You can make the points that he's making without, you know, going out of your way to embarrass him and say, like, this guy's not even close to being a good quarterback. And I don't doubt that Gruden had some regrets that he took that public instead

of private. You know what that sounded like to me, like a coach that was. pissed. He was, it was a viscer reaction. Yes, yes. And not just to the play, but to wait, what Griffin said afterward, and he got it, it came off his chest in a bad spot, a rookie coach. I guess that's a mistake that happens. And Wes, we were talking about it today during lunch, how RG3 used to be this guy that was so fun to watch, not just on the field, but also when he talked to the media, the way he was open and, and fun. Now, the same things that that I personally liked about him when he would speak to the press and be kind of a unique

guy are the same things that drive me crazy about him. The way he kind of talks in circles, some of the just strange turns of phrases, the way he brings attention onto himself when he's pretending like he's not trying to bring attention onto himself. There's some almost like A-Rod lack of self-awareness involved here. I totally agree. It's almost like he's tone deaf. And for me, the final straw was calling a press conference to say that you're not playing

and quoting Winston Churchill along the... How important do you think you are? When was this? Three or four weeks ago, right before the bye week when he wasn't allowed to play yet. I think it was Colt McCoy's first game. And he quoted Churchill for like three paragraphs. Well, he compared himself to Rogers and Peyton Manning, right, when he was talking about the other quarterback.

So, you know, look, I don't know how the Landry-era Cowboys ever won Super Bowls without reassuring messages from Stalback's Facebook page. How did teams operate before? Let me tell you something. I am God. And I tweeted that what happened to RG3, the guy, he went off the deep end. I got tons of feedback, negative feedback, critical feedback from Redskins fan, including one guy that wrote, you had, like, I wrote what happened to RG3.

You happened, you hunchback hippie. My back is awesome. You're not a hippie either. No, I'm not. You aren't farthest thing from. I agree with Wesleyan's initial assessment that Gruden, his honesty is appreciated. I like the idea that he came in kind of raw. would say this about Gruden. He's not off the hook either. He's done a poor job

coaching this team from top to bottom. They brought him in to be a quarterback whisper of sorts. He's been anything but that. Well, the biggest travesty is how hard Griffith is to watch. I mean, all this stuff off the field is one thing, but the fact that he's dropping back and then he just hops up in the air out of nowhere, and you could tell he just is so uncomfortable about what he's seeing that this offense looks way better with Colt McCoy. Like it's just not fun to watch. All right. We move on. We have to move on. We could do a whole show talking about the Redskins and the circus down there. We'll talk about them on Thursday show.

Yeah, we'll continue to talk about it. So anyway, Buffalo, Western New York, to be specific, well, I guess Buffalo would be more specific than Western New York. Let's just move forward. There is a snowpocalypse going on, a snow catastrophe, snow tastrophe, snow-rageous. Four feet of snow landed in... Snow joke. Snow joke, bro.

Wow. Four feet landed by Wednesday. Another several feet are expected before Saturday. This has paralyzed the region and also led to a no-driving zone in the whole area, which is keeping all the players trapped in their beautiful homes and condos. And some of the coaching staff, including Doug Morone, that made it to the facility, are bunkered down there. They couldn't leave if they wanted to, though knowing how coaches work,

they probably wouldn't want to leave anyway. And all this is swirling around with a home game against the Jets scheduled for Sunday afternoon. And there is a lot of concern or a lot of thinking. that this game could be hard to get in because there's just a pound of snow on every inch of ground. It's a disaster. I think it was over 200,000 tons of snow

they had to get rid of. And the team just made a statement that we've never dealt with this amount of snow. And that's even just talking about the four feet that's there now. Another foot or two are going to come. They've offered to pay people game tickets and $10 an hour

to help shovel them out, but it's uncharted territory. Yeah, nice global warming gore. Well, hold, one thing, because my grandparents grew up in that area, and I've been going there since I was a young little kid, and this isn't a shock to the people of Buffalo. This is a little bit more immense than anything they've seen, but I went to school up there, and around August 12th,

now let's say September 12th or so, the wind starts to pick up, and the females vanish, and you don't see them until late spring. They go in like a cave and literally hibernate? Yeah, because people just disappear off the streets. They put out in, like, Burka's and, You just see people coming by in huddled layers of clothing. Now, this issue may be of larger proportion,

but the NFL's got enough money to dig themselves out of this. They can get to see cleaned up by Sunday. They can. Well, it's a disadvantage. It's going to cost a ton of money to clean the place up. How much, first of all, are the bills players loving this? They're just hanging out, eating potato chips, eating potato chips, getting into extra curricular activities.

They don't even have to practice. Morona's just said, well. You know, they might have the munchies or whatever's going on. You know, Morone, meanwhile, sending the game plan through their iPads. Like, do you think it's like... Being intercepted by John Idick's computer nerds in a room. I just can't imagine Bryce Brown. Bryce Brown's like, yeah, real housewives playbook.

It's like, no, you're just hanging out. No, I want potato chips. First of all, you're giving John Isick way too much credit to think that he would be able to steal transmissions like that. Isick doesn't even know it's snowing right now in Buffalo? Is this the beginning of a New York Jets season that comes back, Back from the brink. They're going to win this week, and it has nothing to do with the snowpocalypse.

Maybe this is the final embarrassment to this jet season. You're going to get beat by a team that didn't even get the practice. Just like the Patriots is going to get beat in the Super Bowl again. No, in New York, does the glacier grow in size? Maybe. That's a good call. One interesting note, kind of funny note from Ed Wurter before we move on, he tweeted today, Bill Polly and told me yesterday,

the reason Ralph Wilson Stadium was built in Orchard Park was land was cheap because of the highest highest accumulation of snow. So, you know, the bill comes too. Sometimes the bill always comes due. All right, moving on. Legerat Blunt was released by the Pittsburgh Steelers this after Monday night,

where he left the field prematurely in the midst of Levy on Bell's career night, the 200-yard night. Blunt did not get a single carry, left the field. This obviously led to a lot of internal consternation and ended with the Steelers' cutting blunt, on Tuesday and they moved forward

and Marquise Pouncey I think spoke for the whole team where he came were better this is a blessing in disguise Blunt was not a popular guy in that locker room That's not going to do well for his free agent value When they say it's a blessing in disguise This guy's a known knucklehead

I mean he was averaging about six carries a game And they didn't make a rush to go get any veteran To replace him or anything They don't have much behind him behind Bell. They've got, what, Josh Harris, an undrafted guy, and Drie Archer, who Dree Archer has proven himself not to be a running back at this point for the most part. Remember early, like in training camp when in fantasy leagues, people were concerned about drafting Lavin-Bel too early because Lageret Blunt was going to steal his carries and his touchdowns?

Well, I don't think that was a shocking, terrible thing to think back in the summer. I do, relatively. Not that we knew Bell was going to be one of the best running backs in the league, but LaGarrette Blunt is a role player and it's amazing that Bell now has come to the point where it's like, would you, is there any other running back you would rather have for the next five years? I don't think there would be for me. Well, we know that now.

He'd be number one on my list. Blunt ran for almost 400 yards over two games. I mean, he looked good in New England's offense down the stretch. He was joining his third team and he's one of the worst players on third downs, which, you know, limits its versatility of anyone in the league. For his size, he's been one of the worst short-year. yardage backs in the NFL since he entered the lead. I think he'll get a job eventually,

but teams weren't exactly clamoring to pick them up. Another malcontent running back also has shown the door. It's such a strong word. It's a little bit of a strong. Poor guy. They're qualified. Ben Tate was released by Mark's boys, the Browns. Tate had also fallen out of favor within the coaching staff

and also didn't seem to be a very popular guy in the locker room. So they said, goodbye Ben Tate. After a long courtship in the offseason, that didn't work out. So he actually lands somewhere. He's claimed on waivers by the Minnesota Vikings that happened on Wednesday afternoon. So Ben Tate looks like he will officially replace Adrian Peterson or take his spot on the roster, perhaps indefinitely.

Your thoughts on this, Mark? Well, it was one of those things where for weeks, Tate had, you can go watch his pressers online, and there's just sort of this prickly, ornery nonsense between him and the press, which means nothing. Maybe we don't care about that. That's tons of athletes. But when he was flushed out of there, some of those reporters who had talking to other players,

like I saw one guy from the Associated Press, basically, and he hadn't reported this before, but one player had told him a month ago he said he won't be here for long. Like there was some seed and something growing here where Tate just wasn't fitting in, and probably especially in that running back room where you couldn't tell who was going to get the carries each week. These guys got to be smarter, especially if you're a running back, know how they're treated as a dime a dozen. I guess if it's your disposition, you can't help who you are if you're going to be a guy that's a pain in the ass.

But he did not, I mean, he left himself extremely vulnerable because once you're not contributing to the team, if you're not going to be a good guy in the locker room, why do they have any reason to hold on to you? Well, and one thing, since week five, 2.2 yards per carry. Like, he's not stood out as someone that was helping them at all, and he was awful against the Texas on Sunday. He stood out as one of the worst running backs in the league.

He's so indecisive and he's not going to make anyone mess. You know, he looked good with the Texans, I thought, in stretches. But running backs don't get better of the courses of the season, really. They are what they are. They might get better in an off season. But this guy, he had a six-yard loss against the Texans. I've run slower in my nightmares when I kept falling down than he did. He looked a little slow.

The Vikings aren't getting a good running back here. It's strange, though, because not that we were, as a group, falling over ourselves saying, what a great move by the Browns when they signed him. But I think a lot of people saw this as an upgrade in the Cleveland back. backfield. So what happened from his time in Houston to Cleveland, where now he looks like a guy that can't even get it done in the NFL. You are a factory of sadness.

You know, Zach, I would expect to. Oh, it's not Zach. It's TD is taking the scene. What up, fellas? I was going to say, you know, I'd expect more from Zach, and I do. Not from TD. I keep it real. That is the way to know that TD is back when he drops the factory.

Didn't we talk about Taylor? TD just couldn't give up either. I do like that. He was kind of like, I'm trying to think who's a quarterback who, the backup. up's doing a little too well until he gets back in there even before he's fully healthy again. You're limping around like Tony Romo right now. Hey man, got to be here. Gotta be back.

Well, I think we've compared running backs to starting pitchers before in baseball. You don't know how good his legs are, just like pitchers. You don't know how good their arms are. And Tate just didn't have it this year. Well, you got hurt the first game, so that would be a good answer to your question. You got hurt in game one missed a month. And, gentlemen, that's what's happening. Stick a fork in him.

Here lies Christopher Theodore Wessling, who passed away Sunday after a long battle with ineffective prognostication. Wes will be remembered for his smile, large collection of hats, and deep and lasting disgust for Eli Manning. In lieu of flowers, please drink responsibly at Huckaboo's. It's over My middle name is not Theodore

I took a shot I was like I was jogging my memory He was like did he ever tell me his middle name Theodore sounds right Robert Robert Robert Christopher Robert Wessling Wes this was a group decision I don't want you to think that I'm just throwing you under the bus

We're not literally killing you It's just your picks for the season You are 10 games out through week 11 It seems to be an impossible road to plow Greg forked me last year This year you get the fork All right Your thoughts

We'll see what happens Do you believe you have a miraculous run in you Of course I do In your bones Yeah Mark your thoughts I like that you believe that Why if you didn't have that belief

Then you would be the one To be forking yourself right now But you're saying We're going to get one of these forks wrong We've now put you in the fork mix Maybe we get you wrong If I can cause Greg to write out a handsome check To a charity

That will make me feel good Oh That's interesting Your problem here is you're behind four different people. So, you know, Dan who's in first, maybe he'll struggle. Just for fun. He'll struggle, but you can't catch a ball four. I am two games up.

I am, excuse me, sorry, three games up on Greg. Wow. Two games up. Greg. Yeah, close. Two games up on Patra and three on. Three on Sessler and ten on West. I'm tied with the boss and I told him I will let him win.

That's how you got that glowing review last week. This is how. This is how this happens in this business. That's why Dan wasn't at last Thursday's show. I don't like these pick standings. Listen, I get with the program. I serve my band and now I'm back. So, yes, all right, Wes, you say you will rise from the dead.

Like a Phoenix. That's my plan, such as it was. I like it. All right. That's the only fork for this week, by the way. Seems a little shoehorned in, but we just need to get it in on a west. Seems a little contrived. It's a little bit.

As far as I'm concerned. A little bit. A little labored team. He's one of your turn. Yeah, a little labor, a little forced. But sometimes these things, that's how they come off. Next week, though, we will be forking actual teams. And, of course, I guess we'll check in on Wes's proclamation.

See if maybe he does start to get back into it. Now let's play some games. Live from Culver City, California, it's America's favorite game show. What's More Likely! The Goldstander, they took away his body, but they can't take away his spirit. He's with us always. You literally kicked him out of the room, T.D. Is he even back there? Did he just setting him down to edit something?

He's actually down below sweeping the carpets. We can't even see right now. He's shining his shoes. He came back with T.D. Shinebox. The Goldstand is my boy. He has other stuff to do. He was helping out. T.D., everything that we do reveals character. Or lack of it. Goldman is great for helping me off of the.

the first 15 minutes of the show. All right. Did you meet Social Media Mike, by the way, to your right? He used to meet. Come on, guys. He flushed your TV. Just seeing him. Hey, what's up, Mike?

All right. Look at this. You want to ask him what his favorite route tree is or something? No. Rout concept, bro. Rout concept. Yeah. Social media, Mike, by the way, is teaching, you missed this part of the pockets.

He's teaching us how to take over the Internet in a deeply kind of a little bit of a dirty way playing a little dirty pool but that's all we want to get that cheta we want to get paid want to get more likes want to get more awards more money this isn't new by the way if you remember the k rich era of producing she pushed she pushed through that stitcher award pretty hard you know what i'm saying yeah she did push that stitcher award right out of our grasp i don't know where it is where is that there was a physical award handed out for that feat on our part winning that right so inside right now yeah sorry i'm a big fan of the name social media mic i like it okay it's good it's original uh and uh here we go so this is

what's more likely it's pretty easy game to figure out uh i'm going to throw out two possibilities to the to the room and then i'm uh you guys are going to tell me what's more likely of those two possibilities so let's start what's more likely robert griffin the third keeps his job beyond the season or rex ryan keeps his job beyond the I'm dropping a hammer right off the... To clarify, you mean the other option be they would not even be with the team anymore if you're RG3?

Why are you trying to get my paper? I wanted you to repeat the question. I was going to re-read it again. It wasn't really listening. RG3 keeps his job beyond 2014. What's it listening? That's good. I always suspected it, but now it's coming in...

Just that one time. You know, RG3 beyond 2014 or Rex Ryan beyond 2014 in their current jobs. Okay. what were you saying more it's it's uh let's just continue on i think that right now

rex ryan is better at his job than rg three is that's not answer the question rg three i'll answer rg three is much more likely to be with the reds i would agree with that i'm gonna go against the grain here and say rex ryan i'm with you west i think rax ryan has a chance i think if rex gets six wins

maybe seven wins and rg three plays like this for another five weeks and then has a six million dollar roster salary due next year I think the Redsigan's going to say smell you later buddy well this might be a push but we have to pick something

what did you pick I went with Rex being gone but I mean there's outstanding logic for both people not being with their teams next year because I don't think Rex has any realistic chance at this point barring like winning the rest of the games which I just don't see happening at all

what are they going to think okay next year Rex Ryan finally figures out there there's an offensive side of the ball, too. Like, that's not going to change. He could use a quarterback, by the way. He could use an offensive coordinator. He could have a plan. He could do something that would fix half of the sport.

The ultimate jet fan nightmare, by the way, is Rex going somewhere else where a real quarterback is entrenched and someone on the other side of the ball that can coach that position, and he wins a Super Bowl, and it's like the biggest celebrity in America in sports. Not only he wins a Super Bowl, it has a 15-year stretch like Bill Belichick. I got one for you. Rex Ryan takes over Gruden's job. Washington and takes RG3 to the playoffs.

Whoa! That's good. She just spun that question on its ear. He really did. Was that a Sessler? Do you think that will happen? I dislike the concept of it. Okay.

Still waiting for that Tom Brady trade or whatever was going on. It's going to happen. What's more likely? The Detroit Lions flame out and miss the playoffs or the Cowboys flame out and miss the playoffs. Two teams, I believe, are seven. seven and three. Is that correct? That's correct. My first instinct is the Cowboys, but then I, the lions go to the pay, go to New England this week.

Nobody wins in New England. And they finish the season in Green Bay. Nobody wins in Green Bay. So that's two losses right there. But the games in between, that's fair. I don't expect them to win either one of those. But the games in between three home games against tomato cans, bears, bucks, Vikings in a row. I don't know if the bucks are going to be a tomato can down the stretch. And then they go to the bears. So that's a nice schedule Cowboys missed the playoffs Alright let's look at the case

Because I think all of us think deep down The Cowboys are going to miss the playoffs potentially Let me just take a look at their schedule They have coming off there by At Giants Mark we're going to play the game where you decide who wins or loses At Giants This is the Cowboys

Yes They're going to win Eight and three Home to Eagles Thanksgiving Lose Eight and four At Bears

Win Nine and four At Eagles Win Ten and four Home to Colts lose 10 and 5 at redskins they're going to lose

10 and 6 they'll probably make the playoffs anyway but I love that they would blow the game against the Redskins in week 17 10 and 6 might not be good enough maybe not could be a tie that is a really tough one thanks I'm going to say the cowboys are more likely

what did you say I did not pick yet and I this is a great pairing it's the one is going to eat up the other I say Detroit Detroit misses the playoffs Learn how to score more than 14 points. How about it?

What's more likely? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers win the NFC South or Greg's adolescent angst band, Delaware, reunites and scores a top ten hit with the emo single, Hurt Harts. It was not emo or goth at all. It was more of a mix between like they might be giants and, you know, I don't know Alt rock

It's more like indie stupidity There was more revelations by the way Downstairs today Greg did not play an instrument He called it an instrumental band at first And then revealed that he was the singer And did not play an instrument So he's either not doing anything I said I was not the lead singer necessarily

Because a lot of different people sang But that, yeah Would you play the triangle? Yeah little things like that Again I will implore the readers or the listenership If you could track down Delaware They were a band based out of Western Massachusetts They played some talent shows

A lot of it was videotape I had the mothers of one of the people in the band The drummer I believe That's out there somewhere Is it out there A band called Delaware with Greg is the leadish singer They might be Giants mixed with the Dead Milkman I would say would really be the

We gotta get this thing Skater boys Anyway for the answer I'm gonna go with That the band has a better chance To get back together The bucks are done But we haven't even begun to get into the part

of Greg's life where there's the pollings of the midlife crisis and he still knows the name of the other people in the band and he's talked about them as like an old friend I could see That's a deep well to tap into but they start connecting And I'm not saying it's going to happen next week But yes they're going to get back together

Greg's going to do his crooning And this goth outfit is going to rise We once at a talent show Under a different name Saying we're not going to take it You guys are on the edge Listen to the nostalgia I know there's too many...

That's helping me with my pick here. There you go. The nostalgia in his voice. And Mark's right. Greg's only 35. He has another 5, 10 years before... Of his life? Well, before midlife crisis.

And before, you know, maybe the fact that L.A. is kind of vapid. Creeps into his thoughts, and he's looking for something more meaningful in a return to his music roots. I could see that happening. I'm going with the Bucks. This ain't happening. Lovie Smith. Josh McCown going to Chicago this week, they're angry. I just want to hear the...

a cringeworthy acoustic ballad about Greg's daughter. That would definitely be in the back end of the album. That would be great. What's more likely? Antonio Brown breaks Marvin Harrison's single-season reception record. He's on pace for 141. The record is 143. Or DeMarco Murray sets a single-season rushing record.

He's on pace for 1973. The record is 2105. This one's easy for me. Antonio Brown is more likely. He gets five every. game. In most games, it gets 9 or 10. I have to echo that. I mean, it's the rushing thing. We're talking about a

running back who's on fire, but can he miss a game or two? That would end that right away. I have a bit of a Sessler. He doesn't reach 1800. I think they're just giving him the ball too much. He's going to get hurt. I'd go with you guys as well. We all agree. That's not fun. Can't all be

home runs. What's more likely? Someone gives a shit. What Antrol Roll says has to say, or someone gives a shit about what Tiki Barber has to say. Oh, I definitely care more what Tiki Barber has to say. Just some background. Tiki came out and said Tom Coughlin should be fired.

Again, he came out and said something negative about the Giants. Antroo Roll for the third year in a row, Connor O'er, totally this morning, has come out and said the Giants will run the table and make the playoff. I go Tiki because he's far removed from his playing career and is still getting people to ask him questions and pay him money. There's no proof at all that once Antroo. role is done with his giant's career that anyone's going to care what he has to say. Right.

Well, we did post on both of them today. Why? You did a funny one. Well, Eli Manning's response was pretty funny to the Tom Coughlin bit that Tiki Barber said. He said, that's nice of him. It's always good to hear from old Tiki. That speaks more to our operation than to either of those two clowns. Oh, and they, yeah, then they asked them, you know, if it's a distraction when a former

teammate asked for the coach to be fired, and Eli responded, I think it depends. on your opinion of that player. Judy Patiste had a great hammer drop. She said, that was a sledgehammer wrapped in velvet from Eli Manning. Ooh. Anyway, I think Antroroo Roll, just by virtue of being on the team still, carries a little more. I give a little bit more of an S than that,

but both are equally annoying in my eyes. I'm disturbing. No one else has followed through in my moratorium. No more Antrell Rollposts or Carrie Williams. Or Bernard Pollard. Connor Orr, by the way, was apprehensive when we were chatting on hip chat this morning about whether to do the post because I think he knew that this might lead to you being disappointed in him, Wes. I like Connor, or he's doing a great job, but that's strike one.

What's more likely? Adrian Peterson is a member of the Minnesota Vikings in 2015, or Taylor Swift is arrested on felony meth possession with the intent to distribute in 2015. I go Taylor Swift. Who's Taylor Smith? Swift? Come, Wes, don't do that. Don't even try that.

Don't even try that. I wish you weren't a liar. Wes, I know you're playing this. I know she's a country songstress who writes a lot of breakup songs. There you go. She will definitely, well, technically. That's pretty good, Wes. Technically, the way the question is worded, I mean, he will be a Minnesota Viking for parts of 2015.

Okay. He's not off of his suspension until April. I think he means like we. It's the season. But I, I'm just saying by the letter of the law. Semantics, yes. I say more likely Peterson plays for the Vikings. Ian's report last week or the last few days seemed to sound like the Vikings had tested the waters and feel like their fans won him back.

I felt like that was this year, though, while they're just trying to win a few games and they don't have to start out. And they've already paid him his money, essentially. And next year he's due $10 million. I think he's gone. I'm going Taylor Swift involved in the drug trade. Plus Ben Tate's going to, you know, really light up the league the rest of the year. I think it's more likely that Taylor Swift does meth? No, she never does it.

It's a possession with the intent to distribute. I would say she probably, and I don't want to step out of bounds here, she probably already has sold it. Well, yeah, you usually do it for a while before you get caught. I would think she almost has like a Walter White Empire going on, and it's all funded with her amazing pop career. I like how you prefaced that with, I don't want to step out of bounds here. Well, I'm not claiming to know.

I don't, but my sense would just say. We have, we have, you're right, Tuday? Get Zach back in here. I probably need them back here. Way too much going on. By the way, just so everyone knows, we have no, we have no proof or evidence that Taylor Swift is involved with drugs at all. Just say that.

Remar ending the window. Yeah, to get to put that disclaimer out there. Right, now T, T.D. What's more likely? The cult successfully talked themselves into Trent Richardson as a Super Bowl running back, or the Cardinal successfully talked themselves into the Drew Stanton as a Super Bowl quarterback. Which everyone doesn't involve Trent Richardson doing well.

What do you mean by talk into? Like they actually believe it. Oh, the Colts believe that, yeah. Who believes it more in their hearts? At this point, I don't think the Colts believe it anymore. How could they? They believed it maybe going into this off season, but after seeing this body work again,

I think that Arian Stanton's, they believe it. They're true believers. 100% of Bruce Arian's believes Stanton can win a superiors. I think 98% does, but deep down, in the back of that cangle, he knows he's done. Nah, he's got too much sweat. Yeah, but that's how you'd feel about Carson Palmer, too. We've got a great piece up on the site. Chris Wesleyan gave it the highest recommendation possible, and it is really good.

Three stars. Michael Silver's piece on Bruce Ariens, NFL.com slash cardinal rule. How about, you know, we promoted someone else for once. Silver, in my opinion, one of the best people writing about football right now. In the game. One of the best in the game. For sure. That's good.

I do throw out some compliments to other people as well. Makes us seem humble. Well, it will make you feel good inside, Dan. Calling yourself humble doesn't make you feel humble. Yeah, and social media Mike is done it. Just ask anyone.

I'm the most humble guy in the entire league. Whatever. You're not allowed to say that. Who's line is that? I can't say that. Wait, who said that? No, and I'm just paraphrasing. For John.

For John. All right. Shadow League. Saturday League. Oh, great. All right, all right. We move forward. And that takes us to Thursday Night Football, gentlemen, where we have an AFC West preview showdown between the Kansas City Chiefs and Oakland Raiders, the Chiefs winners of 7 of 8 and 5 straight, tied for first in the division against the Raiders, who are 0 and 10, still looking for that win. Chris Wessling, I ask you, the mailman, is there any chance the Raiders finally getting the win column in prime time?

Well, on one hand, there is trap game potential. The Chiefs are coming off a home victory over the Super Bowl champions. Sell it. They got up for that game. Give me them ratings. Next week. Sunday night football playing for first place against the Denver Broncos, the other Super Bowl team. So the Raiders are the game in the middle.

There's some trap game here. But then when you break this down, all the matchups are in the Chief's favor. Every single matchups, especially the Chiefs haven't allowed a rushing touchdown since last year's playoffs. And the Raiders are the worst rushing team in the last 60 years. How do you mean the worst rushing team? You feel that because you're 60 years old. You've seen all the teams? They averaged 63 yards per game, which is the worst in the NFL since the 1946 Lions.

McFadden and Jones Drew are averaging 1.86 yards per carry the last three games. And I look at like Derek Carr, who I think got off to a real nice start for this team, obviously couldn't be involved in a more chaotic offense at this point. And here's the thing. You give a rookie quarterback who has a lot of nice traits, zero running games, game where he's on his heels, they get stuck in way too many three-in-outs, and you're going up against the best passing defense in Kansas City in the league right now. I don't see a way out for Oakland minus some kind of crazy turnover action or something that's

just hyper-unusual. The Chiefs are like the guy in your fantasy league who got off to a slow start, so you kind of forgot about him, and you're doing your thing, and this guy kept chipping away and winning weeks, and all of a sudden, he's, bam, he knocks you out of the playoffs because you never paid him any attention. We're still not paying attention to the Chiefs. They're playing just about as good as anybody for two and a half months now. Let's start giving the Chief's love.

But they're not going to get any love even after this game because they're going to be expected to beat the Raiders. But eight out of nine and six in a row if they take care of business here. Well, they win ugly. They don't win throwing the ball. That doesn't matter. That's why they're not getting attention. I've been saying I love this team because they max out on their potential. I mean, things are crazy right now in Kansas City.

Andy Reid is winning with a running game, which is pretty creative. You know, they're getting De Anthony Thomas in the mix, Jamal Charles. is back to being one of the two or three best running backs in the league. The running game, stopping the run, as you mentioned, and like no passing. And I knew something was a little crazy this year when Andy Reid made one of the best challenges of the year last week. That's when you know the Chiefs are happening, because Andy Reid's the worst at that,

and he turned the whole game around last week against Seattle with that challenge in the fourth quarter. If Coach of the Year voters are against middle-aged men that wear Cangle hats, Andy Reid could win this thing. He could. He won't. He won't, because it's just Bruce Arian's words. But he would be my number two.

A strong number two. I specifically said if the voting contingent disliked men that wore Kangle hats and they were in the middle-aged range. That's why I put through Reid out there. I've been slow to board this Chiefs train, but last week's game convinced me that not only they're for real, but I would not be surprised if they beat the Broncos for AFC West. Ooh. I would not.

I think they're a better. They play together as a team than the Broncos. they have an identity, and I'm not sure if the Broncos do. Are they the type of team, though, if they get into the playoffs that we can trust them to rail off three wins? Or are they a one-and-done type of deal? I just, there's something about them feels incomplete, but they're tough. Their defense is better than I thought it was.

And Sean Smith is having a pro-bable year. Ron Parker is having a breakout year at cornerback. Justin Houston and Tom Bali are back to being one of the best. Don Terry Poe is making plays lately. Don Terry Poe is a pro bowler this year. Like I, Josh Muaga. You just listed 12 people, so they must be doing pretty well here. But they're second only to the lions in points per game, I think.

And they have the first pass, number one pass, defense, and having allowed a rushing TD all year. That's pretty good. They're a team, though, that I think they're good enough to be in any game, and they're bad enough to keep bad teams in any game. So I think this could be close. You know what I mean? They play that style.

All right. So the three of us took the Chief Sessler took the Raider. No, I did not. That is not accurate. I would never do that. Yeah, across the board, Chiefs. Let's see if the Raiders can shock the world. And that does it for another episode of the around the NFL podcast.

Great show today, guys. And thank you to everyone for listening to the show. We will be back on Thursday night with another great episode. We're going to recap that Thursday night football game. Maybe the Raiders will have a win by then. Who knows? And we'll do a preview of all the Sunday games. So tune in for that.

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