NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Lindsay Rhodes & Malcolm Butler

Episode Date: February 12, 2015

A room filled with some heroes – Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler  – are joined by Lindsay Rhodes to discuss the latest NFL news and play a free agency edition of "Who Do You Trust?". Plus, Patriots cornerback Malcolm Butler joins the show to discuss his Super Bowl winning play and his life ever since.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got your Chris Wessling. But to my right, gentlemen, this is a big deal. Host of around the NFL and NFL network. You know her also from the top 100 countdown. She anchors that coverage right now. She's hosting Total Access, our flagship program. Oh, my goodness. Lindsay Rhodes is in the studio.

Hi, Lindsay. Get excited. Oh, yeah. Oh, hey. Wow, all right. I like that. Thank you. This does call for a celebration.

I approached Lindsay today. Because, Dan, I'm sorry to cut you off. No, go ahead. This is my first time on the podcast, and it's been brought to my attention that my co-host, Andrew Siciliano, has already been invited. Drew has been here, yes. Our producer, Michael Berger, has been a guest on the podcast. We're still not sure how that happened, but yes.

I'm just saying I'm trying not to be offended, but I'm very, very much so offended. I think you can direct every complaint you have to Greg Rosenthal because he is directly responsible for those decisions. We were also waiting. That was a guy who's not here. We were a show just in formation in infantile stages back then. Now that we've started, we've rounded the curve and we know who we are. So you're saying we're when we start to bring up a little guest.

We weren't worthy of her before. Let's do positive. There is some truth to that. The old Zeuser rolled over to Lindsay this morning and said, hey, Linz, want to be on the show? Because I said, I think, because Lindsay sits right near us in the pod. And poor Lindsay. You enjoy my presence so much. We do enjoy your presence, but we imagine that you have to deal with us, just,

nattering on all the time for years now it's been I imagine that we're annoying to on some level, right? I feel like it's the other way around because every time I have a random question that Google could answer, I just sort of yell it out

knowing that one of you guys has already written about it earlier in the day. We're helpful then. So thank you. That's true. But wait, we must be, have we never been annoying on any level? Some of the conversations.

Everyone's annoying sometimes. Talking about music and pop culture. No, but I enjoy those conversations. Okay, that's good. And then you have Andrew Cecil Juliano, who we love, who is essentially like having a play-by-play announcer in the newsroom at all times. Of the entire day. Play-by-play of the entire day. And by the way, my favorite thing about Andrew, a little-known fact, he's read every article about everything every day. It's not just sports. He will make you feel so inadequate because every day it's, did you read this article in the New York Times about ISIS? And I'm like, no, what?

Right. That's how you get, that's how you get to the Olympics. focused. That's how you end up sitting in a room in, where was it, Sochi? Sure. He wasn't actually in Sochi. Oh, all right. But, yes, hosting the Gold Zone coverage. Okay, so Lindsay's here, and that's exciting.

I think Lindsay, there's more histories being made. You're the first female to sit in on the podcast. That's true. Congratulations on that. More music, please. Can we pat? Yeah. I'm patting myself on the back.

You broke the barrier. We're extremely progressive. Last ceiling's breaking everywhere. That's right. We had Kay Rich, a female. as well, producing for us for a while. Now we're going to play here. We did also have, a lot of boys club here.

On the crossover podcast, we did also have Mrs. Lafell show up. Brandon Helfl's wife. Yes, Brandon Helfeld's life. So I'm not the first. That's what you're saying. Well, as a sit and host, you told you. That was officially the damage. You are raining on my parade all day long today.

TD, who asked before we started, Lindsay, you host around the NFL? Yeah, so it's only like one of our most important shows. I know about this. When I first started here at the network, I actually did a field shoot with Lindsay. I bet Lindsay does not remember. remember this. At UCLA? It was like a White House thing. TD operating as a comprehensive buzzkill

right now. Now I feel bad. No, don't worry. We're good. We're good. All right, so before we get into it, so we got a nice show today. We have Malcolm Butler, not the Super Bowl MVP, but could have easily been the Super Bowl MVP. He's going to be in studio. And Mark, I know

you are a classic journo, and you have some hard-hitting questions, so I'm excited for how you approach that interview. So we have Malcolm Butler coming in. That will be great. We're going to play one of our games. Who Do You Trust? And we're going to dig in on the free agent wide receiver market

and maybe, you know, go into some different categories across the league. And before we go check back in with TD for headlines, I just want to something we talked about in the last show, Wes. And Lindsay, I don't know. Do you watch The Bachelor or, Lindsay? I am this season. My first season, too. Oh, yeah.

It's not my first season. Please. I am a Bachelor expert. I had abandoned the franchise, though, in the last few seasons. I sort of started to feel a little dirty, but I've been pulled back in this. Did I get back in at the right time? Or did I get in for the first time at the time? I feel like this is an entertaining season, yes.

So anyway, the show came up in our crossover pod on Tuesday, and Wes is the lone single man amongst the around the NFL group here in Culver City. And I started kicking around a thought in my head about some type of Wes Batchelor experience with our listeners. I don't know if we have a ton of female listeners, but, Wes, are you open? open to a potential scenario where we reach out to the audience to find you a date. I'm open, but with the caveat that obviously it would be kind of a bizarro bachelor considering I never go on dates. Yeah.

I just refuse to go on dates. And Lindsay, they don't involve helicopters or fantasy dates. Lindsay, you're a married woman. You have a young child. You were in the game at a point in your life. At a point. Wes is, as Mark and myself were,

Wes needs to at least change his stance on not going out on dates to get married, right? I've heard that's an important component. Well, I have been... You don't listen to me, listen to Lindsay. I have been, I've had a girl engage yourself to me, and then I lived in Sim for eight years, so I do have experience in these areas. You just become friends first, and then you date.

All right. But I don't really go out on dates first. It has in the past. Dip heavily into friend zone and then try to ride your way out of that. Right, but it has not worked in L.A., I've found. Wes, as you know, one of my New Year's resolutions is for you to have a girlfriend. That's nice for you. I think that we need to do something.

And maybe if you reach out to us on our Twitter at around the NFL, if maybe you want to call into the show and maybe we can have a conversation that the rest of us can, you know, be involved with and maybe we could get a love connection. I don't know. I think that that would be a good idea. Well, I have a couple of requirements. Okay. Oh, boy.

She has to be a pistol. She's got to be. Oh, my pistol's okay. Yeah, she's got to be a firecracker. All right. My wife's a pistol. Like we said last podcast, it can't be a submissive woman. I can't have that.

And she's got to be flawed, incredibly flawed and interesting. Is he asking too much right now? Lindsay's like, what am I doing here? I mean, no, but that's the list of things. You must be flawed. No, this is the top two things in the list. A flawed and interesting woman will be very funny. Do you mean like a giant scar or something?

I wasn't going for it. Maybe like an emotional scar, you know. Based on our listeners, she'll probably also be from like New Zealand or Wales. That would be preferable. I think this would be a good move for you, though, because I don't. don't necessarily think that trying to elevate somebody from the friend zone is the way to go. That's every girl's nightmare, by the way. No, no, no, no.

That you have a friend. Could be her trying to. And then randomly, that person is going to try and bust out of the friend zone. That's not the way I'm approaching it. It could be her trying to bust out of the friend zone with me. I mean, this is some real, this is the other side of the aisle here telling you what that. Isn't love friendship caught on fire? Lindsay, answer the question.

What is that a reference to? I'm missing that. I would suggest that Yeah Maybe that spark should be there initially I can't believe Friendship part is obviously huge But I think maybe if you start off as friends

And you just are friends Maybe you're meant to be friends I can't believe Vince Lombardi hasn't chined in yet I was I was very respectful to the lady That's all it was Okay How can be not respectful to us

That's a really fair question All right TD With you by the way TD buddy Let's let's do some news Why don't we Oh snap I got to document this And that is Lindsay Rhodes on TA yesterday, Total Access, with Brandon Browner,

going over some tweets and some stuff. So she was like, oh, snap, I got to document this. I did say that. I recognized my voice, but I was like, where did you get that? And it was from yesterday. It was from the photo shoot from 2008 that TD was spying on that he referred to earlier. My memory is kind of a sneak attack. It was a new old shoot.

That's what it was. I need a little ginko balobo. All right, good job today. I like that. All right, let's get into some news. We'll start with Josh McCown, who was released. By the way, Josh McCown, was he number one on our Making the Leap list last year? Or was he 25?

I can't remember it. He was last. Okay, he was on our Making the Leap countdown last year. We thought he was going to be a really nice addition to Tampa. Didn't work out that way, obviously. Not a good season. He was injured. He didn't play well.

The buck stank. So he was released on Wednesday. And, you know, because, again, I've said it earlier, Lindsay, you sit nearby. The man, Mark is a hardcore journo. And he made a list. Where will quarterback Josh McCown land? So let's start with this.

Let's start. Is Josh McCown right off the bat now the best free agent quarterback on the market? Well, Dan obviously sets me up to refer to an article that he wrote, which was the best free agent quarterbacks. And we argued that you had Mark Sanchez, number one. No one should be number one. The list should start at number two. There is no best. This is all a disaster scenario if you're bringing any of these guys in as your starter.

And McCown, two quarterbacks in the league had a worst total QBR than him. He was abysmal. So I'm not sure why we're suggesting he's some sort of hopeful solution for this season. I don't know if we'll go that far. I mean, Lindsay, do you think that Josh McHan? Well, I mean, we all can easily skew negative with quarterbacks. Is there any way that a team could talk itself into what he did in Chicago for six weeks or so? two years ago and that maybe the right coach and the right scenario he could be that guy again

sure because you have teams that are really desperate out there i mean if you make the list of all of the teams that are lacking in quarterbacks and you essentially look at the draft and you say okay maybe we've got two guys that can come in here and start right away maybe like you will get work then how in the world are some of these guys are going to end up starting right out all the guys on your very free agents all the guys on your very depressing list yes He's the one with the most recent good game tape. Brian Hoyer, I mean, no, granted, you know, kind of went downhill as the season on. He does not acknowledge that the Hoyer exists, so.

Well, I don't acknowledge that he's a viable starter. But he had a good start for the year. Well, you're looking at a lot of guys that are all flawed. And Chris, I've heard rumors that you like people that are flawed. So I'm surprised you don't enjoy this list. Physical Monsters is what Wes is looking for. Sean Hill, maybe, as somebody who could potentially. He's shown flashes of somebody that's capable.

None of these guys are going to step in and rescue your franchise. Well, Mark, your list here you have is potential destinations. You start with the Ravens at one, which I imagine goes back to their new offensive coordinator. He actually, I mean, McCown said yesterday that that was a logical landing spot for him. And maybe if you're 35 and Mark Tressman's there and you actually don't want to be a starter at this point, you'd like to just collect $2 million a year and ride off into the sunset. Baltimore makes sense. How about the Bills?

Number two on Mark's list. They make a little bit of sense. They need, I mean, he can fill the Kyle Orton rule. Just don't mess it up. Here's the thing with the Bills to keep an eye on, Mark. We did an NFL now hit this morning where we were talking about this. The Bills, they can't stand E.J. Manuel, let's be honest. I mean, you had the neck beard in there taking meaningful snaps last season.

You don't have a first-round pick because of your Sammy Wacken's trade. Of all the teams that are in a bad quarterback spot, to me, no one's worse off of the Bills. And to me, that's an upgrade, Josh McCown. even if he's like the middling Josh McCown over E.J. Manuel, they need to bring in somebody that can compete. And I think if they bring in somebody that's halfway decent, he's going to win that job. Yeah, and they're going to be a run-heavy team with Greg Roman, I think anyways. So that makes some sense. The one thing that happened to him in Tampa, there wasn't a center, a guard, a guard, a tackle, or a tackle in front of him.

It was a terrible offensive line. No running game. Third-most sacks in the league, Tampa. So it wasn't a good setup for him to begin with. How about your boys the Browns, Mark? Any chance? Well, why not? I mean, they've run through, what, 22 quarterbacks since 99 at this point?

They've had, you haven't had one quarterback play all 16 games in a season since 2001 in Cleveland. So why not throw them into the mix and have him to start a bunch? He's such a guy too. They had that famous jersey that some fan made that has all the names on the back. And now they have tape under the jersey with more last names of quarterbacks of the past. McCown, I feel like that. They've already got that on there because of Luke. Oh, my God.

They've drafted Luke on McCown. Yeah. So anyway, that is the situation with Josh McCannwell. Whatever team gets him, you're not going to get somebody that you're going to have. He's a bridge guy at best, right, Wes? That's correct. Okay. Moving on.

So, Vikings owner and president Mark Wilf was asked by a reporter about Adrian Peterson. And if you'd like him back with Minnesota next year, obviously Peterson has his issues. He has a suspension with the league going back to his arrest for using a switch on the sun, ugly business. So he's still suspended. And Wilf responded, yes. I would like him back as long as he takes care of his issues with the NFL. Lindsay, I'm curious if it's that simple. Because to me, when you look at 12.7 million in salary due in 2015,

a whopping 15.4 million against the cap. This is stuff that running backs don't get paid at this level. And, Wes, you wrote a great piece last year just about that. They're paid at the level of what, punters and kickers now? Yep. Isn't it more likely that when Peterson cleared, his legal hurdles and league hurdles that the Vikings are going to be like take a pay cut

or take a walk? Because this is their excuse to do that? Yeah, well, I think yeah, they have some leverage right now, I would think. I mean, when you look at this situation, this is a PR situation, right? Like for a team, when he comes back, that's where you take a hit. Because he was still playing like

Adrian Peterson. It wasn't like we'd started to see his decline. So you expect that the decline will happen soon because he's aging as a running back. He's got more tread on his tires. But we haven't seen it yet. So I don't know if he's not going to be able to get big money if

he doesn't go back to the Vikings, and if he goes somewhere else and he has a lot of success, I don't know that that's going to be easy to stomach if you're a Vikings fan or the Vikings run off. That would be hard. That would be hard for the Vikings to explain off. That's a good point. And yeah, like we talked about it, Mark, it would be very interesting. To me, if he

ended up a free agent, and they hit an impasse financially with the Vikings and Peterson, he becomes to me the most intriguing free agent on the market since Peyton Manning in 2011. And he is an interesting test case because running backs don't get paid anymore. But I would think there could be a feeding frenzy for teams wanting to bring one of the best running backs

of all time into their building, right? Well, I think it's interesting that sort of the climate in Minnesota, it seemed like their front office was mixed. A lot of their football people wanted to keep him and still want to keep him, and the PR people don't want to deal with the headache. So maybe it makes sense for him to go to a southern team where what he did isn't as big of a black eye

because it's more accepted in the culture. So one of the Texas teams or even the Saints, something like that might make sense. With the Cowboys, I've heard that floated. Yeah. With DeMarco Murray, obviously, you know, they're trying to figure out that situation. Would you pick Adrian instead of?

The only thing there, I mean, that makes so much sense. And it's been whispered about, and it is a Jerry Jones machination. But you aren't going to pay DeMarco Murray what he wants, but you're probably going to have to pay more for Adrian Peterson. Now, arguably Adrian Peterson is just a better running back. That's fine. But Jerry Jones has a history of overpaying his own guys.

So I want to see what happens with Murray first and how they deal with that. I don't know. Peterson would be a total Dallas cowboy-type waterfall. My question is, like, obviously Peterson is a better running back than DeMarco Murray. And even I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt even after being out of the league now for a year. But how much better does that make the Cowboys? I don't know. It's like, why mess with a good thing? If you're going to spend a lot of money at running back, if you let Murray go,

why not just pay him in the first place? Because the only concern really with Murray, right, is that he stay healthy. You haven't seen him do that consistently this past season's the first time. And we saw what he could do this year with a full healthy season, also with a very good offense of line that's worth pointing out. But I'm not so much, I agree with you. I'm not sure how much better Adrian Peterson could make the Cowboys. Right.

And you're also talking about an older running back whose decline might start sooner than DeMarco's, assuming that DeMarco could stay healthy. We have doubted Adrian Peterson physically before. Well, you did. That was an embarrassing moment for you. That was just me. But he ripped up his knee incredibly in December and then ran for 2,000 yards. So I could see him having a longer prime than other players, but still.

And he's going to be mad when he comes back. He's going to have something to prove. Yes, he's an upset individual. Tricky spot here because. What was that, Mark? He said he's an upset individual. Oh, that's true. It's a little bit tricky

because he's not due to come off suspension until April, which is a month after Free Agency. It could leave him without a dance partner, or at least one not willing to match what the Vikings were scheduled to pay him. All right, moving on. So the Green Bay Packers, this report came out over the weekend

NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport, and he can only be referred to by his full title here. It's in his contract. NFL Media Insider and Rappaport? Yes. So Ian reported over the weekend that Mike McCarthy, the Packers coach, was going to give up play calling to Tom Clements, who was getting a promotion.

So that was surprising because, and now it's official. We found out it's official that he is now, Tom Clements is calling the plays. The Packers had the number one offense this season. They had the quarterback, Aaron Rogers, one MVP. So on some levels it was a surprising decision. McCarthy talked about it on Thursday explaining that it was a commitment issue that he was getting spread too thin. That was obvious in the NFC title game.

Wes, tell me, is this a strange move with Mike McCarthy? It seems like fallout from that game, but to me it's the opposite of what you want because Mike McCarthy's greatest skill is calling games. I mean, he's one of the best in the league at it, and he's terrible at game management as far as strategy and when to call timeouts and when to review plays and kind of the momentum of the game.

That's not his strength, but play calling and scheming. is what he's really good at. Well, maybe it's not his strength because he hasn't been able to focus on it entirely. Fair point. Maybe he's so worried about the next offensive series that he can't see the forest through the trees, sort of.

So maybe you take that out of his hands and he becomes better in those game management situational football. That happened with Garrett. I mean, it took them way too long to figure out how that whole situation was right. One other thing he mentioned, though, was that, you know, the Mike McCarthy coaching tree is pretty grim. You've got Joe Philbin, and that's about it.

Guy hates when you have untied shoes, doesn't want bubble gum on the field. No, and Joe Philbin walking down in a combine hallway in a white turtleneck and, like, cords. Like, that's not the only thing you want falling off your coaching tree. But he basically said... A lot of Joe Philbin hit the podcast here, Lindsay, just so you know. It's fair. I mean, he wanted... He wanted his coaches to grow up and to get...

Get in the spot. Yeah, more notice. And I think that that's actually... You know, McCarthy's been knocked around since the NFC. title game for good reason. That's kind of a good quality in a head coach to want to see your guys grow and move out. Do you think that that's it though? Do you think that's what this stems from or do you think this is like let's really go back and look at the NFC championship game and all of the ways that this team didn't perform down the stretch? Maybe if he isn't calling the offensive plays, he takes

Bostick aside, or not Bostick specifically, but he can go into that huddle and he's thinking special teams and he's saying, here's what to do. Don't try to do too much. Just do your job. And he can just do those simple little reminders where he's looking big picture and thinking big picture. Like had they won, would this have happened? Well, that's a crazy thing about sports, like not just the NFL, like how things change. Like, if Aaron Rogers doesn't have a ripped up calf, I think they win that game. And none of this is happening. There's no changing of play calling.

But like things that, minor things that turn it to big things that change everything. Butterfly effect, man. But this isn't just the NFC championship game, right? He's been knocked for game management stuff for. a little while now. True. So I agree with you. It wouldn't have happened had they gone to the Super Bowl

because it's like a why mess with a good thing type of thing. But I think that doesn't mean that it didn't need to happen. The timing's interesting. Here is something that happened a couple days ago, but I think it happened after our last podcast. Wes Welker reportedly, according to Mike Garofalo of Fox Sports One, is contemplating retirement. This is the same Wes Welker who signed with the Broncos two years ago

and really has not been the same guy that he was with New England. Wes, he seemed especially slow and unable to get any yak this year. I don't think he made a play all year. Three concussions and two seasons in Denver. If he steps away, it seems like that would not be the worst idea. I don't like the idea of telling athletes when to retire. I do. I've made the decision.

You should go for it. I'm going to call Wes. But I do feel like he's reached a point where he's no longer an asset to a team, so it's probably a good time to move on. More importantly, I think I'm concerned for his health. I think when you have three documented concussions in two seasons, that's very concerning. And you don't know what the long-term effects will possibly be. And what one more concussion could possibly do to him.

And if I'm his family, I'm very, very concerned about his health. Yeah, like, and we don't even know since the NFL has taken a harder stance on concussions and things of that nature, we don't know what? He's like a five, what, five-nine, five-ten receiver. He's taking a beating for over a decade now. playing football at a high level. I mean, this guy has been through a lot. He's taking a lot of hits. Why are you, what's the smirk, Mark?

What's going on? I've had a concussion once in a minor car accident. Oh, yeah, that's right. You worked through it. Yeah, and Greg, you know, Greg Rosenthal, our boss, who is off at the moment. Paternity leave. Yeah, he suggested that I come in and work through this concussion

and wrote nine or ten posts that probably were, you know, just an absolute travesty for the reader to deal with. We need to find those posts, by the way. We need to find those posts because they've been, they're now in lore and around the NFL history. No memory of it. They let you back on the field. By the way, and Lindsay, you're hosting TA this week.

You know Fullwell that the year, everyone likes their milestone years. There's the five year, the one year, ten year. Silver, a hundred year anniversary. And, of course, the 23rd anniversary. That's a huge one. Everybody likes to dig in on the 23rd. Unbeknownst to us. Still yesterday afternoon, it's a huge anniversary.

Brett Favre and the Packers, that trade went down 23 years ago Wednesday. And Chris Wessling, you wrote an enlightening piece. the mailman dug in on how this all came to be from the Falcons, almost to the Jets, and ultimately the Packers. It was a momentous occasion, 23 years to the day. And, of course, our shadowy league figure, John Marvel, asked me to write this. And Mark and I wondered about the whole 23-year thing, but we just did it as we were told,

and we were told that Mooch would be discussing it. So it was nice to dig up some of the old anecdotes with Jerry Glanville, basically saying I had to get rid of this guy because he wouldn't sober, up and then Farr was saying I tried to drink the whole city of Atlanta. Which, by the way, point being, like, if now a team traded for a quarterback that threw four passes, two of them were picked off in your rookie season. Right, you're essentially, you know, heat-seeking rehab, and a team comes out and drops a number one pick for you, Twitter would absolutely melt.

It would be like trading for Johnny Manzell tomorrow. Even worse, I think, because Manzell, I mean, Manzell didn't have the pay. pedigree coming in where there's some mystery around him. Brett Farv did not have that to the same degree. And, West, just to make me depressed, what happened with the Jets who almost came into possession of Mr. Farb? Ron Wolf, who was recently inducted into the Hall of Fame or voted into the Hall of Fame, had been a special assistant to the general manager in 1990 for the Jets.

And he rated Brett Farv number one player on the board, though Jets would have used their first round draft pick for him, but they had forfeited that pick for Rob Moore in the supplemental draft the year before they tried to trade up in the second round to get him but the falcons got him first lindsay you um well brett farv is a good relationship with nfl network he's been involved with shows through the years have you have any good brett farb stories in your time uh i don't i feel like i'm missing out he's off at a distance but i don't yeah now he is he's got the woolly beard in the in the i feel like the relationship with the network is really forged through

Steve Mariucci, right? Who came on Total Access last night. Coach a show. And remembered that that momentous day that the Packers had traded for him. He had just been hired as their quarterbacks coach. So they kind of came in together

and wore some really beautiful short shorts together in that time frame. Yeah, it was a really good look. And by that, I mean, not a good look. The best Brett Farmshot is the one where he got drafted and he's in his childhood bedroom and all, like, his uncles, and Nancy's got jorts and a mullet, and there's all this, like, 80, 1989 paraphernalia all around him.

And you've seen on the internet, they have, like, people that have pointed out, like, all the different things that are crazy about. Lindsay wisely pointed out that Mooch, he had his own photo of him in Farve on the field, and Mooch cropped out the short shorts so that right, you know, they come up to here. You never know. No, and it's, that was a smart move, probably from Mooch's wife, who knows. And finally, the St. Louis Rams have officially elevated, Frank Signetti to offensive coordinator replacing your boy, Mark Sessler, Brian Schottenheimer.

Not my boy. The only reason, Lindsay, this is brought up. Yes. We've all been waiting for that move. Two years overdue. The only reason I bring this up is because we, and maybe you agree, love the name Frank Signetti because it sounds like a hard scrabble detective. Detective Frank Signetti on the case.

Pretty good, right? Sounds like an Italian pasta. Oh, some Frank Sinetti. We have any other good names or they sound like 70s TV show detectives or pastas? Jim Bob Cooter? The Lions quarterback coach? Sounds like he's right out of big head.

That's fair. It doesn't sound like that guy would be successful. I feel like he would struggle with halftime adjustment. You'd get a case or two, it would never be solved, and he'd quickly be fired. A face or two of beer. All right. There we go.

That's what's happening. Oh, snap. I got to document this. I'm going to watch what I say on total access. Wow, TD. T.D is monitoring. all things at all times. I do like you bringing Snap back to the lexicon of society.

It's good. Yeah. I was trying to think if I could blame that, like, if I was reading a tweet, but no, actually, that came out of my mouth. What about Shaq? We have a great one with Shaq, so you feel better. Come on, player. What's that?

What's up with that? That's from the top 100 in summer. You might remember that happened. That was when he was doing a hold-on-play segment in honor of Dion. Can I hear that again? I never get sick of it. player. What's that? What's up with that? That's awesome how he stutters through it.

Right. Like, where am I going with this? But I sing in character. All right. Moving on. Let's talk about the wide receiver, free agent market. And in general, let's play a game. We haven't played it a lot. It's called, Who do you trust? Who? Who do you trust? No one. Selling that. Well, see, that's another issue with you getting a girl. Many issues.

Your trust issues have to get better. Yeah, many. answering no one when I ask, Oh, do you trust? It's not good. It's a problem. It's a roadblock. Lindsay's like,

this is not going to work out for Wes at this stage. It needs like a makeover. There are a few concerns that have popped up just in the last 10 minutes or so. Yeah, there are even more buried. Hey, ladies, like I said, hit us up on Twitter. So he's available.

All right, so let's play a little Who Do You Trust and we'll go through Wes. You have a piece. Is it up now or is it heading up? It will be up by the time people hear this. True. on the wide receiver free agent market which is pretty juicy it's stupid it's so good there are so many good wide receiver names out there uh so west why don't we start just a general

overview and then maybe we'll dig in on a little bit about what this market looks at is a buyer's market the free agent class is already strong just with the guys who are available heading in des brunt demarius thomas will probably get the franchise tag if they don't have new deals by march 10th and then you've got randall cobb jeremy macklin tory smith Three guys who are in our top 25 overall free agents, and then Michael Crabtree and Cecil Shorts will probably be in the top 50. So there's five names right there that will probably be available. And then you've got high-profile veterans who will be asked to take pay cuts

or basically hit the road. Interesting. So let's break it down. And who do you trust? Here we go. And we'll put them in their kind of similar categories. They're on the same level, maybe close to it. Mark, I'll start with you.

Who do you trust Percy Harvin or Randall Cobb? Big financial stake looking to get an import at 1 or kind of like a 1B type receiver? Who do you trust? I mean that's easy. Okay.

You go Cobb. I mean, Cobb's been highly productive where Harvin, you know, honestly, what has it been two seasons since he's given us any real production? He's injury prone and potentially a massive locker room can't. Can I just throw this out there though?

Would you be saying the exact same thing flipped around if Percy Harvin had Aaron Rogers as his quarterback the last few years? Maybe, but he also, injuries aren't about what quarterback you've had. Cobb got hurt last year. All right, but it started with the headache thing, and then it migrated into other issues. And I really do think that also not quarterback-related, Harvin has been jettisoned from multiple locker rooms

for being a guy that disenfranchises the people around him. So I can't say that about Cobb. I mean, that's easy. I agree with you. Let's get tougher. Okay, okay. Lins. Can I call you Linz?

Have we reached out stage? We're so tight. You can call me D-Money. Nobody else does, but you can. Yeah, that would be a first. People are always asking, like, Dan, you give all the guys on the podcast nicknames. He's Sizzler or Quiet Storm.

He's the mailman. I also call him the scientists. I call Greg the boss. I don't have a nickname. You called yourself the Zusser. You're not allowed to give yourself a nickname. Exactly. I don't think you're D-Money.

You could be D-6-Pence. We already have a D-Money in the newsroom. All right, that's fair. Stay on topic. We're working on it. But you can call me D-Money, Lindsay. I'm going to come up with a nickname for you. Okay, cool.

Next time I come on the podcast in like three years. Oh, we'll get you on faster than that. I will have one. All right, who do you trust, Lindsay? Larry Fitzgerald or Brandon Marshall, two guys that are not technically on the market, but it could with a couple of twists and both of them being pre-agents. Ah, that one's tough. That one's much tougher than the one that...

I had to give Marcus Sawball for reasons that I'll get into later. You, I want to really lay it out there. I'm going to go Marshall, I think. And I'm not totally sure why. Maybe the size advantage, the mismatch, the fact, yeah, I don't know. They're both so good for totally different reasons. It's almost to pick them. Five years ago, Lair Fitzgerald was arguably the best wide receiver in the league.

Is he ever going to be that guy again, or has it just been quarterback play that's held him down? That's like the big question with him. He had a five-game window last year in the middle of the year. year before Palmer got injured and before Fitzgerald had a sprained MCO where I thought he looked as good as he had since 2011. He was electric after the catch and it was surprising because we hadn't seen that in a couple of years. I don't think he is what he once was, but I think with the right quarterback and a coach, Bruce Arian spreads it around quite a bit, which is not what Fitzgerald had when he was putting up great numbers. But if you put him in another offense, I think he's still

a number one receiver. See, here's the thing though. So does Larry Fitzgerald need to go to a specific offense in order to show off his skills. Can Brandon Marshall change the offense just because he's such a mismatch? Well, I don't think that Marshall's any more of a mismatch than Fitzgerald is. They're both big guys and Fitzgerald's been one of the best Red Zone guys his entire career. So I'd say they're both mismatches. All right. I'll throw this one. Wes, you're up a three name group here. All right. Who do you trust? Jeremy Macklin, Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace. That's a tough one. Habba, haba. I don't trust any of them. Mike Wallace and Tori Smith are both kind of one-trick ponies,

deep threats who are limited in their route running. Jeremy Macklin seems to be a product of his offense where he played the same position as Deshaun Jackson, and they both had career years because they're playing the ex-spot in Chip Kelly's offense. I guess I'll take Tori Smith because there might be a whiff of upside there that has been a little bit untapped so far. I feel like Jeremy Maclin, you're saying he's a system guy.

I am. You see the guy that gets overpaid like a Greg Jennings a couple years ago, he'll come up a little later, and then kind of disappears into obscurity? I think he's a 900-yard receiver in most offenses, and I don't know if I quite trust him to stay healthy yet, even. Is that fair to throw Greg Jennings into that box, though? I mean, I guess there's no way to really know, but you looked at a guy who is in his prime with the team that you're going to say makes him a system guy, and then he's kind of past his prime a little bit, and then he goes to another team, and we say, oh, it was the team that made him so good. But it might just be that he's past his prime.

Well, the Vikings might have overpaid him, but they should have known they were getting a guy that wasn't 25 entering the sweet spot. Macklin's going to get paid a lot, whether it's the Eagles who I think are, he's in a good spot because I think the Eagles are going to feel like they have to pay him because they let the Sean Jackson go last year. They're going to have Sir. Riley Cooper fell off a cliff last year. They need somebody they can rely on in that offense.

I think he's going to get a lot of money. I think we can agree we can take Mike Wallace out of that. Yeah, I don't think Mike Wallace and trust or two, you know, they're not fitting together. I don't need to hear anything about Mike Wallace who pulled himself out of a game and then had a teammate speak for him to the media I hate when guys do that kind of stuff I can't take you seriously anymore

All right another group Dan's a real journalist that doesn't vibe well with Dan I'm a journalist you're a journal oh Difference All right here we go He is big on the nicknames He's shortened journalist He loves to

All right so we brought up Greg Jennings So we'll throw him out here One more wide receiver grouping Who do you trust Lindsay Greg Jennings Marcus Colston Dwayne Bo. Kind of in that hard B, the B-minus group now.

Trust to do what? Or Michael Crabtree. Slow him in there. Or Cicel Shorts? Should we throw Vincent Jackson in there? Well, he'd be the easy answer probably. Well, now I can't even remember who you. There's like 26.

All right. If you had to pick one guy to add to your team. At a middling salary, not too much guaranteed money. Dwayne Bo, Markies Colston, Greg Jennings, Michael Crabtree, or Cecil Shorts? I'm eliminating Dwayne Bo. Okay. I'm going to go backwards. Seems fair.

And I forgot the list again. Maybe you should start with someone else. I'll go one, but Markey's Colston. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I won't eliminate him. All right, Greg Jennings? You think he's over there.

I'm going to eliminate. Okay. So you're nice. Lizzie won't say stuff like, oh, he's finished. But we can say that. Well, she probably has to talk to him a week from now. Yes, exactly. Cecil Shorts.

I hate telling people when to end their career. Isn't that what I said? I'm sorry, Cecil Shorts. You're like, focus, Lindsay, good grief. Well, maybe we could all just agree. These are all guys that are not going to really be difference makers once you get to this level of the market. Right.

They're kind of just filling. Maybe Crabtree? Yeah, I go Crabtree. Hi, crab. Yeah. Out of that group. Yeah. Put them in an offense that throws the ball well.

Exactly. Maybe you have some untapped potential there. All right. I like that. Mark, let's talk some GMs. Who do you trust? Reggie McKenzie or Ray Farmer. I like Ray Farmer.

He's a guy that he's got his hands in a lot of different stews he likes to test people yeah he likes to get involved on you know who puts their hands in stews i don't know that's that doesn't make that's how you get your hand burned mark with a burn on his hand right well listen you know a lot of people can take uh ray farmer and say oh your first round was a disaster but if you look at what he did last year beyond that with guys like joel bettonio chris kirksey he found a ton of undrafted talent as well in uh you know the running back situation i thought that he did a nice job adding talent over the field. Hold on. Let's be fair, though. Great. I just got to cut you off a second.

Johnny Vindzel and Justin Gilbert in the first one. I said that's the big disaster right there potentially, and we don't know that that's not a finished story, but yes. But then when we did a thing on the Raiders earlier, and we talked about all the potential free agent cuts that they might need to save money, and these are all aging people. They're guys that McKenzie signed last March. So that to me is he already, in terms of his draft, he goes and gets Khalil Mack. That's a home run. That's not hard to do as a job. GM, but his own free agent class

was a gigantic tire fire. So I'm not excited about McKenzie. I think that's fair. And we're going to hear it from Raiders fans. But more than Farmer over, McKenzie, you're saying, okay. Absolutely. We won't hear it from Raiders fans. We've already blocked them all on Twitter. They are. Yeah, they're something.

They're not nice. Who are the, Lindsay, I'm sure you have to deal with a lot of vile things on Twitter. Who is the fan base that you have to deal with the most that are no idea? I would say the fans that respond the most to anything that they perceive as a slight is probably i'm going to go with the 12s yeah yes no question they are a sensitive lot they jump on a lot they're like new money like they don't right haven't been there for a long

time so they are a social media mafia easy they feel a lot absolutely true tvs that are not right you cannot mention andrew luck's name without also mentioning russell wilson yeah i i i get a lot of tweets about how I hate the Seahawks and I 100% do not hate the Seahawks and I wonder where that even comes from. Well, you told me privately that you did but other than that. Yeah, well that was in a

safe space. Safe sharing space, Dan. All right. Here we go. This one will be, I don't know, we'll throw this one to TD, right? Here we go. What you got? Who do you trust? Mark Sessler at an indie bar at the Combine, work trip, or

Wes at a West L.A. Tavern on birthday, which is next week. And what are we talking about trust here? Let's clarify that. Trust to dance on the bar? Just kind of keep it open. Just kind of keep it open. Just who do you trust in that spot?

I don't trust neither, but I think I'm going to have more fun with Wes. Wow. Wow, I don't like that answer at all. Wow. Why do you think he would be a better partner at a tavern? Yeah, you know? I like being underrated, and let's start right there. And TD's defense, they're both fun.

I can vouch for that. In TD's defense, you did open the show by calling him a comprehensive buzzkill. I'm just dealing in facts. All right. Culler, I think that you would be a lot of fun at a bar and indie. I like that. Nobody's more fun to hang out with than Marks Hessler.

Mark is a lot of fun. All right, you guys, we get it. Except for you apparently at a tavern in West L.A. Good times. All right, lightning round for Lindsay now, because we got a ghost in before we get to Malcolm Butler. Here we go. Who do you trust, Lindsay?

Andrew Siciliano or Scott Hanson? Oh, come on now. Quick, quick, quick, quick. No. Quick, quick, quick, quick. Absolutely not. I'm not playing this game. Okay.

Who do you trust? To have read the most articles in a day, Andrewsicilano. There you go. Who do you trust? The mailman, quiet storm, Earl D. Money, the Zusa. Who do you trust? All of the above? All right, good answer.

Who do you trust? We got another one for her? Quick. Kurt Warner or Dion Sanders. She's not going to answer that either, right? To do what? You know, to watch your, you know, to watch your, your child for a night.

Well, that's clearly Kurt. Kurt would be a great babysitter. He has so much experience in that department. And Kurt, I will say, is always the guy who asks about my child. There you go. When I run into him. That's a good signal. I have found.

I have found. Dion would teach my kid. My kid would be like saying hashtag truth when I got home. And if his first words are hashtag truth, then I have a problem. I start. Wes, this is one other reason that we. got to get the Wes Batchelor going. I have found that having a kid is a great conversation piece with just at, like,

let's say with the Combine and we see a reporter at Shulah's, we'll talk about our kids. Everything's fine. It gives you a jumping off point. That's the main reason I had my son Jack. Yeah, that's good. Just the conversation. Icebreaker.

Right. A verbal coffee table. What if I don't want to speak with these people? Well, I mean, listen, a lot of, a lot of hurdles. You've got to open up your heart, Wes. I am a degenerate. There's a lot of issues here. Again, ladies, this could be yours.

Only if you're flawed. Thorly undatable. All right, so we got Malcolm Butler coming in. So because we only have four mics, it's literally a physical issue. We've got to say goodbye to Lindsay. Who's got, by the way. I'm getting kicked out. By the way, Lindsay has bigger fish to fry.

She's hosting the flagship program of NFL Network, total access. Before that, I will be picketing outside the fact that I have been kicked out. Best in-house guests of the podcast of the podcast. podcast history? Top six, I would say for sure. Top six, have you had six guests? That's not where I was going with that to end. No, Lindsay, this was a great time.

Okay, have a great final segment. Lindsay, this was a great time. I hope you're... Lindsey here, burger here. Taking shots of burger. You could tell Burger that you beat. I won't because he'll cry about it. Burger's a very sensitive individual.

No. All right, so Lindsay Rhodes, thank you very much for joining us. Lindsay Rhodes's Twitter handle is at Lindsay Roads. That's at Lindsay and then that what's that underscore? At Lindsay underscore Rhodes. Yeah, so hit her up on Twitter but be nice. Probably cost her at least 10,000 followers. 12 year old in Indiana or something.

Yeah, exactly. All right, Lindsay Rose. Thank you very much. Thanks. Thanks, Lindsay. Thanks. All right, Lindsay is out the door and in her place in the seat to my right now is the man that made one of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history.

That's a real thing. That's not hyperbole. That is not hyperbole. is defensive back for the New England Patriots. Malcolm Butler. Welcome to the round-the-on NFL podcast, Malcolm. Thank you for having me. This has been, guys, a long day for Mr. Butler. NFL AM, which tapes here in L.A. at about, I think, 137 AM is when we start the show. Malcolm was there. He's going through what they call the car wash, and he's here with us, and

it's very exciting. We were at the Super Bowl, and in fact, Malcolm, I remember right after the game, you know, they took you into the first room where the risers were, and I got, I asked you a question, and of course, you remember my face it was like a big interaction we had together probably not but i remember asking you this is probably 45 minutes after the game happened right we were with the scrum i said has it has it kind of set in in your mind yet that you just made this play and like this life-changing type play and you said i don't know man you it was such a big play when did it really click with you that you had made one of the biggest plays in NFL history um you know i think like two days after

that um it was on my mind i was i was sleep um i woke up and i really just you know just put everything in perspective and i was just like putting myself as a fan right on the couch or at the game in the stands and i'm going for the patriots and i don't i know we're going to lose that's a that's a right right right it touches the heart but you know um i thought about the play i made and changed all those feelings and gave hope and just changed the whole big idea about losing to a winning situation. And it just, he just, I probably had a minute heart attack a couple of times, but I'm managing it well and I'm just glad I can help my team win.

It's a fairly unique thing to be in that position, a play that that's watched by that many people. Not many people get to experience what you did. no you're right um i've really thought about it and you know this this big for any rookie yeah um that's a big play for any rookie to uh the the half and make and man it's just it's just unexplainable at times one thing i mean in that game specifically i remember in at halftime we're reading some stuff from some patriots reporters they said this guy is suddenly playing a ton of snaps in the Super Bowl where we haven't seen this amount of play from him in other games that

you're cutting your teeth on the biggest game of the year what was it did you did you know go in knowing that you might play a larger role were you prepared for that or did was it just they said you're in let's roll um yeah you know um of course everyone wants to play um and when i'm out there and i and i see i feel like i can make a play or two and I'm gonna feel like I want to be be out there. But overall, um, I'm just always ready whenever I get my opportunity. And I remember one game of Reeves was down and, um, I was, I got in for him. And I remember another game, I was ready to play, but I wasn't prepared. And I got in, didn't do so well. So after that, you know, I just got to stay ready. And when I get in, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to play ball.

You were prepared this time. That whole final drive was great for you because you have the first play where you knocked the ball away, and then you knocked the ball away from Curse, he ends up catching it, but you have the presence of mind to get up and tackle him, and then you make the play in the end zone there, which will be one of the best plays ever. That's a great series for you. You bring up the curse play. I mean, and this is the crazy thing to me when I was writing up the post after. I was thinking about, like, myself in your shoes, that play with curse, when he juggles the ball and comes down with it, if they go in the end zone, that is the play that this Super Bowl is remembered by. And who's in coverage on that?

I play Malcolm Butler. So Malcolm Butler is Rodney Harrison on the catch play, the helmet catch. He's the guy that isn't coverage, and the guy, the Glory Boy guy. It was like the turn, the about turn from being the guy on one side of the coin to the other is unprecedented. I mean, that's how close you came to NFL infamy. That's crazy too. Yeah. When they made that play, when I jumped up for the ball, I found the ball, broke it up,

and I was falling down. I was like, okay. Good break up, good breakup. But, you know, as I roll over, I try to get up fast, you know, my momentum had me. You know, I was ready to play. I was amp. And I looked at him, and he had the ball. I was like, hold on.

So I just ran over to him. I really, I try to punch it out, but, you know, he had it secured and he got out of bounds. So I came out on that play, went to the sideline. I was in pain, you know. I know we're a team and it don't come down to one play. Well, it does, but if we were the loss, I would feel like that was the play that changed the game. So I'm on the side, like, I ain't going to be able to get through this. I'm going to have a bad offseason.

So they call goal line three corner. I'm like, three corners. They must finish pass it, but I'm like, no, they're not going to pass it because they have Marshall and Lynch. We saw that they actually had errors on the field first, and then the coaches caught the alignment and had you guys. come in yeah uh yeah they called three corners and um that play came up um i told brownum get jam him good and he did yeah so i can get around because i knew i knew exactly what was going to happen i got beat on the play at practice i was late on it um i took a step back then

went and i didn't know i wasn't sure if they was going to pass but um they got marsha on this so i'm thinking they're going to run it in anyway so i might well take it a chance but that play came in my memory when I seen the guy's stack so I said oh forget it I'm just you jump that thing it's almost as if the Patriots are well coached I don't know hey TD behind the glass you are and Malcolm you should understand this if there's weirdness that you're sensing the biggest fanboy of Russell Wilson in the game right now is TD so TD this your chance to talk to Malcolm well Malcolm you know what like I said at the moment in the moment I also was at the game and I kind of felt like some type of way what you did to Russell you know that wasn't cool

But I would say this, though, going back and watching the NFL films, you know, replay of the game and big ups to that play you made. Like you said, you clearly went for broke on that one. You're like, you know what, I'm just going to jump this pass. But on the flip side of that, do you really think, I know you're happy for your paths and happy that you won the game, but do you think how crushing that was to Seahawks fans? Because I'm not, I still contend that I'm not fully a Seahawks fan. You are definitely a changing. But I was crushed, man.

I was crushed because right there at the line, right there at the Super Bowl, getting taken away. Do you ever have time to think of what it was feel like for Seahawks? I bet it takes up a lot of his thoughts. Yeah, of course. If, you know, that play that the guy caught on me, I guess I can say I feel that way when he caught that ball and I think the game was over with. Right, true.

The same feeling. Malcolm, a couple of quick things because I know you got more stuff to do within the walls and thank you for joining us. First of all, you got the Chevy. Brady gave you the Chevy. or had it get to you, you know, 15 grand in taxes they're reporting. You know, maybe Brady, you know, slide you up, a brown paper bag, right? Like, he can't afford it.

Like, let's, if you're going to give the man a truck, let's give the man a truck. This is your chance to say on our podcast, Tom Brady, give me money. Go ahead. No, I wouldn't say that. I'm thankful for whatever I get. And, you know, that's a 20, what a 2015? Civerado ship. Yeah, that's a nice truck.

You're not going to get no brand new truck for 15,000 nowhere. It is a good deal. All right. The other question we were talking about this over lunch, Mark, it was about Brady as well. Well, I mean, you saw Brady's reaction when you picked that ball off. Are you on the invite list any time Brady has people over for crumpets and tea or whatever it is, it does at his house? I mean, you are you going over there at this point?

You would have seen Brady has an infinity pool and Giselle is involved. Are you in the club? now? Um, I'm not sure. If he invite me, you know, I'm more than welcome to come. And beyond that, so let's see, I assume that Brady better invite Malcolm Butler to parties going forward. Maybe he's part of the Illuminati. Do you know what that is? The Secret Society? Are you potentially, and you don't nod if you can't say it? Are you in the Illuminati now that you made the Super Bowl play? Oh, not at all. Oh, damn it. You've clearly gone A-list, though. You've been making the rounds all week now. You're the

guy oh yeah what was scary the grammies or the super bowl to walk up on the stage or to play in the biggest game of your life oh that's that's that's that's a tough one i don't know i'm not i'm not sure that was a tough well i i guess the the the super bowl was more excited yeah the grammies was that's your field yeah who wrote the joke about you intercepting the grammy that was a bad joke i know you didn't write it Anyway, Malcolm Butler, thank you for joining us. Congratulations, again, obviously a nice guy, and it's good to see an undraft of free agent become a hero.

And best of luck to you going forward, and thank you for joining us. He's all right. Thanks, Malcolm. Thank you for having you. All right, Malcolm Butler, out the door. Nice guy, Alex. What a delight. I liked him.

I think it's like he's still in that afterglow where he's, for the first time, as an NFL player, being asked anything, and it's got to be crazy. he hasn't been spoiled by his week and a half of success. That's fair. By the way, what was that? I'm really proud of you guys because before the interview, our booking team was like, he's very shy, he's very humble,

he's going to be really quiet. But, you know, you guys got him to speak, and even when you guys were just making jokes, he was laughing. That's what we do. We're having a good time. Oh, it's almost like we're professionals, bro. Hold it down.

Anyway, it was great having Malcolm in the studio. We will be back. We are going to the Combine. Mark and I, Wes, you are holding the fort down here in Los Angeles. So the next time you hear from us, we'll have some type of hookup going on where we'll give you a combine report and we'll do some good stuff. I think Monday and Thursday, is that correct, T.D.? It's CBD, me and Greg's working on this as well. I can see Monday and Friday.

Okay. So keep an eye out Monday is the next podcast from us. Thank you for listening. This is Dan Hansis, signing off for The Quiet Storm, the Mailman, and TD behind the glass. and Lindsay Rhodes, thank you for joining us. Lins, I call her. Until Monday. Oh, snap.

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