NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Lions-Ravens Monday Night Shootout and the Five Biggest Week 3 Injuries

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook recap a Monday Night Football classic between the Baltimore Ravens and Detroit Lions in Week 3 of the 2025 NFL regular season. Jahmyr Gibbs and David Montgomery had their way on the ground, Jared Goff connected with Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Derrick Henry fumbled AGAIN as Lamar Jackson loses another heart breaker. The Ravens are 1-2 and will face the Kansas City Chiefs in Week 4, while the Lions are 2-1 and have the Cleveland Browns next on the schedule. All of Monday's action and more on the latest from NFL Daily!NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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To the end zone. Touchdown, Detroit Lions. Demo to the house, 31 yards, and the Lions have put this game on ice. What a night for the Detroit Lions. What a statement by this football team. Oh, it was the Lions making a statement on Monday night football. David Montgomery finishes the game off in the best, most fitting way possible, doing it on the ground where they beat up the supposedly tough Ravens,

all night long. That is Dan Miller and Lomas Brown on WXYT, two of my absolute favorites on the mics on a night that if you didn't believe it after that big win against the Bears announced that the lions are back, that they're not going anywhere, 38 to 24 in one of the most entertaining Monday night football games in a while. I'm here with Nick Shook live on YouTube appreciate y'all and everyone listening the next day nick i thought it was going to be a classic ending and in a way it was the lions get the ball up seven they have it at midfield fourth down uh deciding do we kick it off and trust our defense no how about we trust our defense by going for it jared goff layers in a perfect throw they trusted their quarterback their running

game all night and the offense delivered they showed they can still win shootouts against the best of them. What surprised you the most tonight? I mean, I knew the Ravens were missing Nandi Matabike and Kyle Van Nuoy and that it was going to make them a little weaker up front. But my God, did the Detroit Lions send a statement to not only the Baltimore Ravens but the rest of the NFL that we're going to do one thing and one thing only. We're going to do what the hat says, run the damn ball.

That's what they're going to do. And that's what they did on Monday night. I mean, the totals are absurd. 221 net rushing yards for, excuse me, 224 net rushing yards for Detroit. David Montgomery goes 12 for 151 and two touchdowns, a long 72-yard run. He gets that touchdown run to ice it. They won the battle of toughness, the battle of grit in the interior, which is a phrase that's on a hat Dan Campbell wears all the time.

Grit. They won the battle of grit tonight. And they proved that they are one of the toughest teams in the NFL, especially when it comes to running the football. So the final score was 38 to 30 after Lamar had that garbage time touchdown that could have decided a lot of fantasy football matchups out there with Mark Andrews getting the touchdown late. And I actually think that final score flatters the Ravens because even though these two teams were going punch for punch and Lamar Jackson had a lot of great throws in this game, after the Lions fell down by a touchdown,

right after halftime. It was one-way traffic. And yeah, a lot of the passing stats look similar. But you mentioned those rushing stats, how uneven they were. After Derek Henry's early rushing touchdown, they couldn't get anything done on the ground. On the other hand, David Montgomery is popping off big plays, the longest run in the NFL over 70 yards. And then he hits that touchdown. But it was the five, the six, the seven, the eight-yard runs.

They ended up with a 60% success rate compared to 31 for the run. Ravens almost doubling them up. It's awesome. And so much focus is going to be on that rushing attack. And yes, the Ravens were missing a couple key defenders. The lines aren't going to feel bad for you. They were missing key defenders all of last season and no one made excuses for them back then. And again, it was just Madabweke. You look at the maturation of this young offensive line. We talked about it all offseason. Is this going to be the Achilles heel? going into this game. My big question was, can this interior offensive line, Tate Ratledge, the rookie,

making a ton of great blocks in this game, Christian Mahogany, second year player, just mowing through people and the veteran Graham Glasgow in the middle, they really set a tempo shook. And as I'm watching this game, I'm thinking, oh, man, Nick Shook is loving what the Detroit Lions are doing. It's what the Detroit Lions always do. I guess we shouldn't have doubted just because, you know, Ben Johnson is in Detroit. That's why I put the hat on, because it makes. my heart so warm that a team can win classically. They can win by winning in the trenches

and making a statement like they did. But it also speaks to the identity of the Detroit Lions offensively because even though they lose their offensive quarter in the off season, they're still the same team. They still like to build out of the run, build out of play action and run their offense that way. And because their running game was so effective, especially on that 18 play 98 yard drive, they were able to do whatever they want in passing situations. They were also converting key third downs on that specific drive. They got into a rhythm that we really haven't, we didn't see them get into it at all

in week one. We saw them get into it against the bears and that blowout, but you thought, well, it's against the bears. This was a real test. This was a measuring stick. And they passed it and they proved to everybody that they are still the same team. And oh, by the way, we can pull out some tricks out of our bag too. Just because Ben Johnson's gone, doesn't mean he didn't leave the bag behind. And our new

offensive coordinator can't dial some fun stuff up to the option on the goal line on fourth and one. I mean, Alman Ross St. Brown pitching it to Jemir Gibbs. There was just so much beautiful creativity from this team. And like you said, the Detroit Lions, I don't know if they ever went anywhere,

but they are certainly back. Yeah, they had both running backs on the field at a certain point. They have like the eye formation. It was the 11th time in David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs's career as teammates that they both scored a touchdown in the same game. That is the most in NFL history. You mentioned the trick play in the fourth quarter on fourth down, one of a few key fourth downs that we're going to talk about.

Let's actually listen to John Morton getting in his bag, the new Lions offensive coordinator, having his own breakout game. Golf up under center, turns, Giz, Amon Ra flips it out to Gids. He's in the house, baby. Touchdown Detroit Lions. Oh, that is beautiful. Goph, hands it to Amin Ra. Amin Ra.

Flips it to Gibbs, and the Lions have got the lead back. Yeah, and there was another play. earlier in that second half, which was a throwback pass from Amanra, St. Brown, to Jared Gough, perfectly executed. They end up getting a 20-plus, you know, yard chunk play down the field. And we're focusing on the runs and the fourth downs for now. At some point, we're going to go through this whole game because there was so much going on. We have a lot of highlights. I love that we can play. The highlights play the sound. And this game, to me, almost deserves like a Super Bowl treatment because it's two teams I pick to get to the Super Bowl

and going into this game I really had my doubts whether the Lions long term are going to have enough on defense and whether the offense can be that special after this game I'm obviously feeling better and I have a few more doubts about the Ravens which we'll get to but while we're towards the end of the game I think it is key to back up to the fourth down situation at midfield every week there are so many situations where teams go for fourth downs and we're just getting used to it. Mike Vrable went for a fourth and one in the first half inside his own 20. In a game that they were losing at and like nobody even blink, these things are happening every week. But if you really think about it, in a game like this, the lions who I believe were really out playing the Ravens at this point need to get two yards to be in total control of the game.

But if they did not pick it up, Nick, they're giving the Ravens. a short field with under two minutes to go. Years ago, coaches wouldn't even think about that. Dan Campbell did not even hesitate. Let's listen. Golf up under center. Montgomery, the single back off. Fakes to him, wants to throw, does down field, wants Alman Ra.

Got him. Made the catch inside the 40. That's a first down, but there's a flag down as well. It's a hold against Baltimore. That is huge. Oh, I love the call by Dan Miller, too. He doesn't let the penalty get in the way of a great call. Jared Goff's numbers don't look flashy,

and this is one where you just have to watch the game to see everything that happens because Lamar Jackson's numbers were great. And he did have a lot of great throws, but I think he had some real problems in this game, partially caused by his offensive line, partially caused by himself. He ends up with only six incompletions, 288 yards, and three touchdowns. But it was really Jared Goff's performance,

20 for 28, 202 yards, and a touchdown. And that throw, your coach trusting you, That's basically a give-me-throw for Jared Gough at this stage of his career. Iman Ra, winning right off the snap. And you throw in like a nice touch ball towards the sideline over his shoulder. And he was really excellent tonight making the throws, making the decisions, looking off the right receivers, picking the right matchups whenever he needed to. Yeah, Troy Aikman was overcome with joy after watching that throw.

I mean, he could barely contain himself because it was, like he said, the best throw of the night for Jared Gough, the perfect touch ball on. key spot. You can't afford to miss Amin Rae St. Brown on that player. Like you said, you're going to give the Ravens a short field. But again, the beauty of it is the fact that it's fourth and one, and they're able to run play action and sneak Amman Ra out like that and get him in a one-on-one situation where he gets a step on a defender and he's able to come down with that. Because this is a guy who notoriously has not had a drop in like two years. So of course, if you want to trust the sure's hands in your team, it's Amin-Raw-Saint-Brown, but you've got to get

it there to him. How do you get it there? You run the play action after you've dominated them on the ground when it's a short-yarded situation. Just another example of beautiful play-calling flow from the lion's offense and just a almost perfect way to cap this game. Because the only better way to cap it is with that David Montgomery touchdown run that we already played. That was the poetic ending, the fitting ending that we all deserved. Right. That one-two punch was awesome. And it's why I sometimes think when you're talking about the best games of the year, of the decade, of all time, the best Super Bowls. We have a comment from one of our viewers right now, Richard, who said this was easily top five Monday night football game of the decade. Now, that's a bold statement. I'd have to

go through it. But I do think sometimes everyone just thinks of what has the best final play. And that is important, like the best, like final moment that is in your head. But of all the Super Bowls I went to, I always go back to that Saints Colt Super Bowl, which were just two great teams, tons of great players on both sides, haymakers throughout, and then an explosion that essentially ended at that Tracy Porter interception with five minutes to go. And this game reminded me a little bit of that where it's just unreal plays on both sides. And yes, you didn't get that incredible finish, but you got the two-play sequence from the Lions. And it's a game I'll remember. And if the Lions do end up making it far in the playoffs this year, I think they showed

themselves something. They did fall down in this game. And so I'm testing my producer, Chris Babona here, because we got a ton of possible highlights in this game. I want to go back to the third quarter because that was the first time in the game that the Ravens had the lead. If you remember, they go into halftime, tying it up with a late drive to Rashad Bateman. They get the touchdown after their defense did a good job, getting the ball back for them. We'll get into what the Lions defense did in a second. Then the Ravens come out in the second half, really effective drive. It's the first touchdown to Mark Andrews and you think, okay, it's rolling. The lions have to score on the ensuing drive. And that's exactly what they did. And it finished with one of Jared Goss, best throws

the night, another one to Amman Ra. Golf out of the gun. Montgomery was right. Jared's got it back and looking, looking, throwing right side wants Amman Ra. End zone. Got it. Touchdown Detroit Lions. delivery that time by golf where only Amin Ra with those late hands could pull it in and the lions were an extra point away from drawing even once again here in Baltimore. What did you think about that route? You see Marlon Humphrey just looking up in like the distance like wondering how did that just happen? That's because Amin Ra while he's got the surest hands in the NFL or one of the best sets of hands in the NFL, he also is an incredible route runner. And he ran a fantastic little stutter step double move almost like a hitch and go that left Humphrey just a step behind

And you watched him on that play where his momentum completely stops, and then he has to restart. And at that point, he's already cooked because golf's going to put that ball on St. Brown. He's going to come down with it. And late hands are not, it didn't matter. He created that space with his route running. So it was a great design. This game was full of great designs. And this is also a demonstration of a rapport between a quarterback and receiver where they can trust each other to be in the right spot, put the ball on me in the right spot.

And that's how you come through in a game like this. Yeah, we're not going to just talk only positive about the lines like the whole time, but it really is so impressive. You know, I'm on ride. It's another one where you look at the box score seven for 77 and a touchdown. Great night on eight targets. But the last two weeks watching this dude, you understand why Jared Goff made those comments to Troy Aikman, that it's the best receiver he's ever played with. And you think about some of the guys he played with the Rams. and I get it. Like, he really is that dude and like the sharpness of his route running.

Everything was awesome. Let's change gears a little bit and talk a little bit about the Lions defense in this game. Because, you know, you'll see that the Ravens put up 30 points, but ultimately the Lions defense gets seven sacks in this game. The pressure rate wasn't that different, but they did a nice job sacking Lamar Jackson. They forced punts in key spots. made some big time plays. Let's go back all the way to the end of that second quarter and think

about that goal line stand. And I know the Ravens ended up scoring at the end of that half, but it was one of many moments tonight. You realize like, yeah, the line's defense, they might not be that deep up front, but they absolutely came to play. Let's go to the fourth down call. Out of the gun. Jackson's got it. Run into his right, wants to throw. Now be impressive. The ball's loose on the ground. It is recovered by Jackson, but it does not matter. That's lion's football. A fourth down stop by this team.

Jackson tried to roll out, had a run-pass option, and Jack Campbell was there to knock that ball loose. So I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Lamar Jackson for holding the ball too long, not throwing the ball away, maybe sometimes assuming he was going to get away. But on that play and a couple other shots where they gave us the all-22, like vision, there was no one really open. I don't think there was anywhere for Lamar Jackson to go on that play. Like, what did you see out of the coverage and just everything that they were throwing at

him from Kelvin Shepard, the new defensive coordinator? Well, it's the downside of that play, which the Ravens, that's like their favorite play to run in two-point situations in fourth and short on the goal line situations. They've done it before. It has not worked. Sometimes it has worked. Sometimes Mark Andrews drops the ball in a divisional playoff game for a two-point conversion. And like that happens, but they love to run this play.

And I think for the first time, Lamar encountered a situation in which he had nowhere to go and no idea what to do. Because when you roll the short side of the field, you are limiting the amount of space that you can work with. Everything's flowing that way. You're going to have to completely change direction. And he's already under duress because of this lion's defense. And it was a great example, I think, of also preparation, a team that knows this is what they like to do in that situation. We're going to bottle it up with the right coverage and shut them down like that. And I think it kind of typified the whole night or a lot of the night for the Lions defense,

which, by the way, we got to put some respect on this Lions defense's name for what they did bottling up Lamar Jackson tonight. It just typified the whole night. They were able to get after him consistently. They were disciplined in their contain and in their rush lanes and in their tackling. And yes, they forced the fumble there because Lamar holds onto the ball too long. But Lamar is not going to just throw it away in that situation. He's going to try to make a play.

And ultimately, it was a big play in a game that didn't end up meeting all. that much, I guess. But at the time, it was another one of those statements that, hey, we're not going to be another one of those teams that almost picks you off twice and then gives them a touchdown like they did later. We're going to be that team that fights all the way through all four downs. Yeah, see, I'm like a process, not just results guy too. And I think it just is part of a night where they just kept battling. And yeah, like the Ravens, if you think about it, had to hit a lot of really impressive throws to win. Not saying that Goff didn't, but in the trenches we've already talked about it it just was such a mismatch the lion's offensive line

beasted the raven's defensive line on the ground that the rate the lion's defensive line beasted the right the raven's offensive line when they tried to run so it came down to ultimately like could they get enough pressure on lamar jackson because it turned into a game where he had to just throw all the time and for a while i was ready to come on here and talk about like Well, Aiden Hutchinson, not really quite looking like himself. The pressure rate is pretty low. And then by the end of the game, you look up and it's a 40% pressure rate. It's the sacks.

It's not letting him get out as a runner, I think, which was really impressive. Al-Qahid Muhammad, who, you know, was picked up off the scrap heap. He was on the practice squad at pretty large sections of last season for the Lions. Like, he couldn't even make their active roster. He was making a lot of plays. The linebackers were really good. Anzolone actually had a number of quick pressure. on blitzers. And in the end, Hutchinson made a couple of the biggest plays of the game with a

sack and also knocking the ball out of Derek Henry's hands. Man, Derek Henry is having a rough go of it in the last, what is it, nine quarters of this season. After an unreal start to the season, if someone had said after like the third quarter of that Bill's game, that Derek Henry would kind of be a problem for the Ravens at the end of week three, like I never would have believed it, but not only is he fumbling every game, one in each game, and two of those fumbles were absolutely killers, but they're not getting consistent runs. He had that touchdown run, but other than that, like, it was a pretty rough game. And again, you have to give a lot of credit to, like, the team defense of the Lions, even if it's not a ton of individual stars. Yeah, I think the Lions

did a good job of knocking the Ravens out of their rhythm with the way that they played defensively, and all of that had to do with stopping Lamar Jackson on passing downs. Now, it wasn't perfect. He still completed a lot of those passes, you know, out of structure, improvising. That's what he's going to do. But their coverage, they were versatile on coverage. According to the next gen, they ran zone 55.3% of the time. The rest of it was, man, that's pretty balanced. They got sacked in both looks, whether it was man or zone.

And most importantly, they threw them out of their rhythm to the point that, like, Derek Henry, after they got that goal line stand, Derek Henry got three carries in the second half until that one that he fumbled. And I had a thought to myself. I'm like, I feel like I haven't seen Derek Henry on the field in ages. Like, this is a close game. He is a runner who can, you know, balance and pace your offense really well, and he hasn't been out there.

Then he gets a carry right after I have that thought, and he fumbles. And it completely changes the game from there. Yeah. It's crazy because that was a moment. And I'm seeing a comment, by the way, from our friend Will Gavin, who is on his way home. Now, Will Gavin is a host. If you guys are UK fans, you're probably not listening unless it's the audio version. but because it's 4.30 in the morning right now,

I'm going to be joining Will on Talk Sport to help call the game in Dublin on Sunday and the following game in London the week after with the Brownies and the Vikings and, of course, the Steelers in the Vikings this week. And he says, man, the Ravens losing in the trenches so badly for someone had them in the Super Bowl. It's tough to watch. Keep up the good work, boy. So I like hearing that. But the defense is actually what I feel more differently.

about, you know, coming out of this game. Because if you think about their team build this off season and Brad Holmes is one of the best to do it, they really invested in run stoppers. In the middle of their defense, they have DJ Reader as their free agent from a few years ago that's now healthy again. And Tileak Williams, a guy who I know, you know, you looked at a lot in the draft. And there aren't many teams putting two guys like that who are really run stoppers and not, you know, pass rusher type defensive lineman on the field almost every snap.

And it really paid off tonight. Yeah. And guess who made a little shoestring tackle on Lamar Jackson when he tried to take off? DJ Reader. Guess who was there to fill the run lane? DJ Reader and Tyler Williams. Let's go. I felt so good.

And I almost felt like, God, I'm an idiot for not giving them more respect going to this game. But then again, who among us expected Al-Qadine Muhammad to have two and a half sacks to be a constant closer when the lions effectively caged up Lamar. It takes me back to when I worked for the Browns in 2019. I remember talking to those guys when they went in their week four game against the Ravens that year in Baltimore. And I was like, how do you stop Lamar? He's having a great year.

And they just said, you got to cage him. You got to cage him. You got to keep him in a box. You got to make sure he doesn't escape. The Lions did that perfectly. And so many teams don't do that. The Lions personnel did not suggest that they would do that. And that's why we need to put respect on their names because of guys like Al-Qadine

Muhammad, because of a veteran like DJ Reader. And of course, because of Aiden Hutchinson, a guy who Baltimore, more gets so concerned about them. They slide their protection to the left and he just splits two guys and gets right after Lamar for a crushing sack and a key moment in the game. Everybody on this defense, Alex Anzolone is spying Jack Campbell back there at the second level. They all made plays. They played so cohesively. And that's why I think everybody who watches the NFL is going to take the lines more seriously because of the performance that they gave on both sides of the ball tonight. They got away with lining up in base defense most of the night. And by base defense,

that means three linebackers essentially on the field, almost no. teams do that at this point but they had that sort of vision again with the team build bigger linebackers and i mean in terms of guys like derrick barnes it was like an old school also had a great game right like also had a great game like like an old school strong side linebacker kind of the the run stopper who's almost been like legislated out of the league like that sort of player but he can blitz he's versatile enough i think like a faster more dynamic team could take advantage of that. Maybe if you have Isaiah likely in this game, you know, when the

Ravens are lining up in two tight end sets throughout most of the game, but they haven't quite gotten the mix with all their receivers. Now, I do want to know like Lamar had some dimes in this game. Oh yeah. I'm just going to mention a few. And actually, it kind of points out now that I think about, about it,

how tough the Lions defense was playing, because I felt like there were more easy throws for Jared Goff throughout the course of the night. There was a throw early in the game on third and long where Lamar is rolling left, throws it across his body to Bateman on the sideline for 10 yards. Like an incredibly low percentage type of throw hits that. Then he goes Tess Walker deep down the field.

That was a beautiful throw. He had the crazy sideline throw to Newk Hopkins where you thought after it got over the underneath defender, that thing's going out of bounds. And he just like drops it in there. I love the third and long to Rashad Bateman when they were down 28 to 28 to 20. 21 and they're driving and he has to hit a whole shot and be patient and throw anticipation over the middle like these were high level throws he also had that touchdown to mark andrews early in the second half so like there were a lot of amazing plays hell just to get jerry

sandusky into the show let's listen to a raven's highlight let's listen to the mark andrews touchdown to start the second half he hates to settle for a field goal Lamar jackson from the shotgun throws towards the end zone looking for andrews he's got it Touchdown, Mark Andrews, a diving grab along the sideline. And the Ravens have their first lead of the nights. That was a great throw and a great catch, Park Mark Andrews. Oh, that was a great throw. That was Rod Woodson, who knows a great throw when he sees it. Like, what did you see there, Shook?

Threaded, absolutely threaded. And from the distance, because, like, yeah, I think it was a 14-yard touchdown pass. But the distance, you know, from where Lamar was to the course. corner of the end zone makes it a lot longer. Couldn't be placed better. I mean, could not be placed better in the pocket where Andrews can make that grab just inside the pylon, just outside the outstretched reach of the nearest defender. You know, I watched that route develop. I think it was branching coverage. And I, and I, no, it was Anzolonian coverage. And I'm watching him run with him. And I'm like, he's covered pretty well. And Lamar throws it. And I'm like, oh, he's going to have

to fit this one in. Boom. Right. And that's like thread and a needle. Just just right through the eye of the needle for a touchdown. That's what Lamar is capable of doing. He had to number of throws like this, like you said, tonight. And I think that will get lost in the aftermath conversation about this game because it's getting lost in our comments right now. People are, are killing Lamar. I think multiple things can be true. Yes, because the other thing that's true is that Lamar needs to figure out how to operate in the pocket and not give himself so much time sometimes because it hurt them when sometimes you could just take off for a gain of five. And I think that they will correct that going forward because it definitely hurt them tonight.

Both things can be true. You're right. But I have a feeling like he's, He's not someone that when you watch the film has open receivers and doesn't let go of the ball. I think what the Lions showed him tonight with mostly zone coverage, like, worked. There weren't that many open receivers, and at least they were muddying up the picture. After that Andrews fumble, they go three and out where he takes a sack on that drive. They have to go 10 plays just to get 39 yards on that drive that I mentioned where he hits the ball over the middle to Bateman. There were a lot of penalties involved here. Then Derek Henry fumbles the ball.

And then really the killer was when they got the ball back with 635 to go. And they go three and out. They end up with a fourth and nine there, another drive that starts with a big time sack. And at first, it was like these plays where Lamar is trying to get out of trouble and he's just taken down for no gain. And as the game is wearing on, like he is taking bigger. and bigger deficits in terms of like longer sacks. And I think multiple things can be true. This game is on the Ravens defense, obviously, and the running game.

Like the passing game was by far the best part of the Ravens. I mean, the freaking Ravens gave up two 95-yard plus drives. That's outrageous. We haven't even mentioned that there was an 18-play, 98-yard drive. You mentioned it, but that was the longest drive, of course, in the NFL this season, in terms of minutes, 10 minutes, and 48 seconds. But Joe Buck mentioned there hasn't been a drive over 95 yards against the Ravens defense in Baltimore for over 20 years. They gave up two of them tonight.

So on a night like that where Derek Henry has a terrible success rate and your defense plays like that and Derek Henry fumbles the ball in the fourth quarter, Lamar Jackson is not number one on your biggest issues. That said, like the accusations that he can be like a little amped up in big games, I do wonder about that sometimes. because early on, like, you're watching him on the sideline. When they went three and out early, like he was so frustrated early in that game. And you can see just like the tension. I hate being the body language doctor. A lot of players play well when they're angry.

I'm not saying that they couldn't, but you just can almost like feel the anxiety coming off of that sideline between Lamar. And then, of course, Derek Henry, you know, crashing out a little bit later. Like, I do think, like, holding onto the ball so long, like, that feels like a little bit, a little bit of tightness, even though there was a lot of great plays in between. I do think there is, it's fair to, like, point out there's something to that for the Lamar haters out there, which I am not one, but, you know, there's something to it. Yeah, I'm not a Lamar hater either, but I hate to be this guy in this moment. I see a trend in the Baltimore Ravens over the last few years that we witnessed tonight, which is that when they meet a team, that is at their level, that they cannot bully offensively, that they cannot shut down defensively and then just run over them with Derek Henry or with Lamar or whatever,

they get tight, they play tight, they make mistakes, they let the pressure of the moment consume them sometimes. And I think what you just described is exactly what that was. And there were periods in this game where I felt as if the Ravens were overcoming that and they were just going to be the better team and end up winning a game because, for example, the Ravens take the lead 21 to 14 after the Lions go three and out. The Lions go three and out after that goal line stand. And the play calling is a little questionable.

The Ravens cash in to end the first half. There were just a few periods in this game where the Lions are like one miscue, one big Derek Henry run, one big Lamar Jackson play away from being down multiple scores, and maybe they don't have enough to come back. And they never got there. And I think that frustrated the Ravens and the miscues and the small errors in detail. A guy maybe not running a route where Lamar wants and he under throws the ball. Or it looks like he under throws the ball because the receiver is not where he wants them to be.

Lamar not being able to break the pocket and take off for runs when he thinks they're there. Guy's not getting open. I think all of that compounded. And you saw the effects of it capped by the Derek Henry Fumble late in the fourth quarter where they're like, wow, we're really going to lose this big game at home on prime time right now. I can't believe this. We're the Baltimore Ravens. We're not supposed to do this. Well, guess what?

You also play in the NFL where the Browns beat the Packers on Sunday. Things like that can happen. Hey, let's stunting on them. Hey, the Browns and the Ravens have the same record right now. Yeah, they're not the same team. Like, if you just, like, if you just said who's played better,

I don't think the Ravens have played better this season necessarily than the Browns. The Browns outplayed the Bengals in week one. I know they got beat 41 to 10. I'm just saying the... Come on. Defensively, the Browns have played better than the Ravens, but offensively, it's not even in the same...

What I need to say is that I feel like that both of these teams should be two and one and it's not that big of a difference that could be true yeah that could be true it's such a long season but the road to the one seed is going to be harder starting off at one and two you know you're in a division where jake browning uh in erin rogers you know respect to him but not playing the best quarterback right now are quarterbacking the teams that are currently in first place like i'm not that concerned about the Ravens long term to me this is more about the lions but when we talk about the tightness to me it's more just like expectations it's it's not like that they're getting nervous

and that they can't perform well in big game it's just they've lost so many of these heartbreakers they've lost so many big leads they've been on the cuss they've been the best regular season offense now for three straight years and it's just the expectations and i think those are sometimes difficult to manage, like, as a team. And it's one of the reasons why I'm really impressed with how the lions have responded after week one, because they're also in this cycle. They've never been here before, right, Shook? And where they're, you know, they're now, like, deep into this run of, like, trying to

stay at the top. And I think that's the hardest thing to do in the NFL is stay at the top. And the Ravens and the Lions, that's exactly what they're trying to do. There's one difference between those two teams. One of them plays in the same conference that's occupied by the Kansas City Chiefs. and the other one doesn't. And I think when you know that you have that team to take down, you realize like, yeah, I mean, until they're not there, they're there.

I think that adds a little bit more pressure. And this is a measuring stick game, and you know that. And so I just think it adds a little bit more, and they have a longer history of not getting the job done than the Lions do. And also, you know, this is no shot at John Harbaugh at all. Hell of a coach. But there's something about Dan Campbell and the way that he trusts his guys, and goes forward on fourth down

and does all those things and wears his heart on his sleeve that just seems to invigorate a team and creates a culture of that maybe they'll band together and rally together when the adversity strikes that maybe the Ravens

don't have that same mental toughness in them. Not necessarily on the coach, but just on the key figures in each franchise. I think that is one of the factors that played into this game tonight. Well, you would say that the team takes on the personality

of their head coach. You know when I was talking about like the, you know, Derek Henry being a little tight on the sideline and John Harbaugh is like the number one guy we made a little bit before the season like of any coach that I like I'm literally afraid of John Harbaugh there is so much boiling beneath the surface I feel like at all times when it is not going well there is like an anxiety and attention and his decision making in big spots has not been amazing and you compare that

to Dan Campbell and yeah maybe it does rub off on the rest of the team all right I'm doing a little schedule watching because we're talking Browns right and then we're talking to shocking chiefs, and those teams have matchups against these teams coming up. So the Lions get this win. They have a tricky game. I think it's fair to say the Browns are tricky at this point, considering how good their defense is. They have the Browns next week in Detroit, then at Cincinnati, at Kansas City, and then

the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before their by week. The Ravens, on the other hand, go right from this bloodbath on the road. on a short week to Kansas City, in theory, one of their biggest games of the year before heading home for the Texans and the Rams before their bi-week, really interesting schedules for both these teams. And we're just getting started, but you look at those schedules, and they are going to be tested in a lot of these games, and they are both going to be challenged to not get to their bye week

with like a three-and-three type of record. Yeah, if you want to wash away, yeah, if you want to wash away the sour taste in your mouth from this and make all the haters shut up, you go beat the Chiefs next week. And you do it in pretty dominant fashion. And I think that their strengths match up well against the Chiefs. And then at that point, people forget a little bit about what happened against the Lions tonight. Like, it can all change. But it puts so much on that game, though, and we will get into it. But that's the beauty of the NFL.

Every week matters. And every week matters more. And it's a funny thing I always think about the early part of the season. The bigger games to me, having watched, you know, for so many years, is the bigger games early in the season are actually with the good teams that are off to slow starts. Like, it would be great. It'd be fun. I bet CBS would love it if Ravens Chiefs was a battle of undefeated.

Isn't that game bigger now that they're both one and two? one of those two teams with very challenging schedules ahead of them is going to be one and three and if you thought like the tension with Travis Kelsey bumping Andy Reid or the tension of Derek Henry like falling over on the sideline was bad after this week like how about you lose to your other AFC rivals next week and so it really sets up like a fascinating matchup there and the the lines on the other hand can breathe a little bit of a sire relief book man that they would love nothing more to beat up on the chiefs in a couple weeks too the bucks are on the schedule coming up which is going to be big and i just love it we before we move on from this game and we are

going to do some news very quickly on this show because there was some big time injury news uh it is time for delivering results presented by uber eats and no one and i mean no one deserves this honor more than the lion's offensive line and they're running backs and i am talking about David Montgomery. We've hit a couple of his highlights already. Let's go to the big 72-yard rush in the second half of this game. Behind center. There's the snap.

Jared hands to Montgomery. Montgomery has state. There he goes across 20. 25. Demo, there he goes. Middle of the field to the 50. Angling right at the 45, down to the 30, down to the 20. Taken down from behind at the 15-yard line.

David Montgomery running for daylight and running big for these Detroit lines. Oh, my goodness. Oh, man, 12 for 151 and 2. I was watching that still with my son and my wife and Emeka just goes like, I thought he was faster. And Walker was like, no, that's Gibbs. But don't dogg on David Montgomery because that burst through the hole is fantastic. His ability to make people miss and his freaking toughness.

Shout out to Brad Holmes and David and Dan Campbell for making him one of their very first free agent signing saying they are he is going to set the tempo and the really the emmo for this team and that that duo they wouldn't be as good without each other they they were just a lot of fun to watch yeah i mean it's thunder and lightning right there and we saw them both in action it was gibbs early it was gibbs in short yardage then it was montgomery in short yardage and then it was montgomery ripping off the big game with another big run down the sideline where he did look fast enough to get the job done i i love we've already talked about i love offensive line play when it works well when you run duo and then you're your bulldozer of a running back who still

got burst gets through the hole and rips off a big one they outraven the ravens tonight and it was because of guys like them yeah and look that's just what they do when they need a play it's especially like if they're in like a second and long situation especially they just run duo explain to the listeners what that means because that's like real no nonsense they're not trying to fool you power football exactly that's when you when you dedicate two blocks to one guy with the idea of getting one of them to the second level and you just bully the first guy off the line, create an initial run lane, the second guy gets the second level, creates you a second crease. And that's exactly what Montgomery did and followed, except he also broke a tackle

on his way out, which is really what sprung him for the massive gain and to show off those wheels that may not be as fast as Gibbs, but they're still fast enough. I absolutely love it. And yes, we went a little long on Lions Ravens, but these are two teams, to me, in the inner circle of possible teams we could see in Santa Clara in February and they delivered an incredible game. That was delivering results presented by Uber Eats where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL order now

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Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. We are going to rank the news items that came out today in injuries in order of how I believe it will impact these teams. And we'll be quick on it, but some of them are pretty big, nothing bigger than Nick Bosa being out for the season with a torn ACL. Yeah, I mean, this is a history. He has a history of a torn ACL. He is their best player on the defensive front.

They underwent a lot of changes in the offseason on their defensive front with the idea that, hey, we're going to trim salary, but we have Nick Bosa there to still rush the passer. Now you lose him. Greg, I watched the game against the Cardinals on Sunday, and they win that one. And I'm like, I cannot freaking believe that the San Francisco 49ers are three and up because they continue to lose guys. Yet they continue to win games. Bryce Huff had a nice game against Arizona, but he's not Nick Bosa. They invested in Mike Hill Williams. He's young.

Like, it does concern me, but I'm also not going to sound the alarm bells because they've been, you know, managing all these injuries so far on their 3-0, but it is a crushing blow for them for sure just because of your, in terms of defensive potential and what you can do to get after a passer, it's going to put that much more stress on their fantastic linebacking duo of Fred Warner and D winners and on that secondary. And you hope that they can make it through. So far they are, but it's a big loss. It's huge. I listen to a 49ers podcast sometimes called Candlestick Chronicles. they thought he was the most irreplaceable guy on the entire roster, at least going into the season, because of the total lack of depth in their mind. Now, three weeks in, Bryce Huff has been better than you could have ever expected.

He can give you some pass rest juice. He's not a number one, but he's been better. Mike L. Williams, their first round pick, is in that Arick Armstead mold as a good run stopper. You can play him inside. He really looks like a good pick, top 15 pick. and he looks like it. Not a big-time pass-rush.

They're going to have to manufacture some pass rush. They are a good team defense. I think Robert Sala has really helped their defense overall, but it's just a huge fall. And you do wonder if with Bosa out, those two guys won't get to be as effective as they've been. I think they are a huge candidate to go pick up someone because the 49ers are about that life.

Now, we'll see who's, you know, trading. defensive ends. Will the Saints want to trade like a Carl Granderson or a Cam Jordan? Like there will be players available. Generally, these types of trades, it's not going to be blockbuster,

but like a Carl Granderson, for instance, from the Saints for like a fourth or a fifth round pick, he's going to play valuable snaps. Those are the types of moves that I'm talking about. Because if you look at the 49er schedule, it's pretty cake the rest of the way.

Like this division is great. And not everyone can make right now they're all above 500 but the out of division schedule's pretty cake so i would i would think that they will make a move because i think their offense can get better as they get brandon iuk back as obviously they get brock purdy back and and and just get healthier in general on offense yeah i'm trying to think about who might be available outside of a team like the saints because like they're not going to trade cameron jordan it's well they're not going to get the return that makes it worthwhile i think even at this point in his career just because he's a saint's

legend but like you do have to swing some sort of someone from the the titans like arden key like there are some gross looking teams out there would kvon tibito be available if they're one and six in mid i can see that you know this is this is a conversation probably for another day and i you know on one hand you know you really feel for bosa and anyone who has a big time injury like this. On the other hand, man, the 49ers are almost like a case study in the risks of putting so much of your salary cap into just a handful of players. Every guy they give it monster contract to has like a major injury. The players deserve it. So I, you know, I always believe they deserve it. But CMC, Arnick Armstead a couple of years ago, that happened exactly to him.

And then like right when he got a contract, Brandon Ayuk, now Nick Bosa, I might be for getting some, Dre Greenlaw got a nice contract for them and then got hurt. There's just been a lot of bad luck. The Cowboys have had some bad luck, too. This is number two on my list for affecting them. Can they win games shook without C.D. Lamb and their guard, Tyler Booker, their first round pick, both of them will be out multiple weeks with high ankle sprains. C.D. Lamb will not be put on IR.

They want to evaluate it really after a couple games and see if he has a chance to return after that. Yeah, you know why they're evaluating after a couple of games? because they saw how bad their offense was with him out of the game in Chicago on Sunday and how much it hurt. I mean, Dax playing great football, but you lose your guard in Tyler Booker, who's played really well for a rookie. And then you lose your top targeted receiver. And suddenly all you're left with is Jake Ferguson and George Pickens.

That's a big loss. And that's a big loss for a team that is going to be heavily dependent on their offense because their defense can't stop a nosebleed. So that's why you give yourself the shorter runway or the possibility of it by evaluating in two weeks because a high ankle sprain is not a quick. turn. And unless he's young enough to heal quickly, uh, it's going to be more wishcasting than actual reality. And that's going to hurt them. And especially, you know, where they are as a team right now, you know, they're one and two and they're, they're coming off of a loss in which they

looked significantly worse than the team they played in the second half in Chicago. And I just don't see it getting any better for them because they can't stop anybody defensively. And now their offense is going to be weaker. Oh, no, by the way, the date with Micah Parsons and the Packers is next week. Maybe they get a bit of a reprieve by week five at the Jets and then the Panthers week six, but I don't know, man. The vibes are not good with this team right now, and this does not help at all. No, their only chance to having a fun season was going to be able to outscore teams, and you just can't do it with TD Lam and two missing offensive linemen. Remember, they also lost their starting center for six to eight weeks. So that's two interior offensive linemen that

are going to be out. It's just not going to happen. They're going to be one and three. And their only chance, you know, schedule-wise, to kind of get to that relevance and win those shootouts. We're to win the games like Carolina and against the Jets. Like, you have to win those games, and that's going to be more difficult without C.D. Lamb and Tyler Booker, who, like I said, is going to be out a couple weeks. All right, number three, and these are ranked in order of how it will impact standings. Number one in my eyes of how much you feel for the player. It's tough to rank this because Naja Harris is coming up at number four, but I just love

James Connor and he's been really set back by injuries, obviously overcame cancer early in his career. So to hear he is out with a broken ankle, not a surprise after what we saw on the field, but beyond feeling for him, like, what do you think this does for their running attack this season? Shook, which really hasn't been great even with Connor there. Yeah, I was going to talk about how I feel about him just because I talked to him about his battle with cancer years ago and he was just a super nice guy and he's a guy that's easy to root for. He's also been the identity of this Cardinals rushing attack. I mean, he's been there since 2021, which I was reminded of today.

I can't believe time is flying by that fast. And he's let them in rushing every year he's been there. His last two seasons, he's broken 1,000 yards, sometimes for offenses that are pretty limited. They've been pretty limited overall in their first three games, but they dearly missed him when he got hurt in this game and they were trying to put one away in San Francisco. All they needed was like a first down, and they couldn't get one because they couldn't run the ball.

Amari Di Mercado is not a guy that you run between. the tackles consistently. He's more of a guy that you're going to lead on as a past catching back. You got Trey Benson, who's a second year player, who's going to have to be asked to do a lot more. You're probably going to pick up somebody because those are your two remaining guys, essentially. And I don't feel good about the balance of this offense, which is already kind of struggling. Kyler Murray's been all right. His connection with Marvin Harrison, Jr. is not consistent. He's more consistent with other pass catchers on his team. You do have Trey McBride. He finally caught a touchdown before the last month of the season this year,

which is great. But ultimately, like, I just very, I'm very much concerned about the ceiling of this offense now without James Connor. And it may sound, you know, like I'm hitting the panic button and freaking everybody out or whatever. But that's how important James Connor has been to this offense. There are games last year, if he ran well, they probably won. And if he didn't, they lost.

And now they don't have him at all. So they've got to find a different way to win. Yeah. And he didn't look great, but I think it was more about the blocking scheme. I think they might miss their run game coordinator, their offensive coordinator last year, Clayton Adams, who's with the Dallas. Cowboys, their run game, looks fantastic. I do think Trey Benson gives them some juice, but this is a team that's mediocre across

the board. We'll talk about them more on Tuesday's show, which is only, what is it? Like 16 hours from now, so you don't have to wait long. We'll be previewing TNF, me and Jordan Rodriguez, in the studio soon enough. Najee Harris, I mentioned out for the season with a torn Achilles. We thought this was coming. I thought he was running well this year, and there was a player two on Sunday, which I think showed the difference between him and Amari and Hampton,

one where he got hit behind the line of scrimmage on the third and one. Hampton is strong, but Najee's even stronger, and he got over the line, and so I think they will miss him, but ultimately they still have a great back in Hampton and some depth there. So I think they'll be okay. And then another thing will probably follow up on Tuesday with the Giants Jackson Dart situation. Brian Davel said that they're evaluating everything

when asked if he's sticking with Russell Wilson, 96% chance they're going to Jackson Dart. But let's just talk about that when it actually happened, so we'll do that on Tuesday. The bigger surprise to me, Shook, was they asked Aaron Glenn if Justin Fields is definitely starting if he gets out of the concussion protocol, and he didn't give a clear answer for that.

I'm okay with that. Was he just not ready for the answer? I know Tyrod played pretty well. No, I think that it's, weird because you sign Justin Fields to that two-year contract with the idea that he's going to be your guy for the next couple years and hopefully it works out. But I think that the difference in the way this offense operates, not dissimilar to the difference the way the Giants offense operates with Russell Wilson versus Jackson Dark. Granted, we haven't gotten

the regular season sample size on that, but we saw what we saw in the preseason. I think that could convince Aaron Glenn. Maybe we stick with Tyrod and he eeks out a win for us or at least gives us a better chance of winning than going back to Justin right away, Justin a longer runway. And I also think that they're playing Miami where he senses an opportunity. Oh, and also, it's a prime time game. I don't know if you'd probably trust

the veteran and Tyrod more than Justin in that scenario. And then you play the Cowboys the week after that, which could offer you an opportunity to light it up. So what are we talking about? He played two games. One was terrible. The whole team was terrible.

One was an incredible quarterback performance. I feel like you've got to keep starting Justin Fields because if you get five of those, he would have won the game by himself, like, against most teams. It was his defense's fault, and so I disagree. Here's another theory. First time, coach, looking for a win. I think he's going to lean on the veteran.

Here's another theory. It's a long week. They don't have a practice until Thursday. The two quarterbacks are quite different. Maybe he's just being cagey for the sake of being cagey. Gross. You know, like, just he's a defensive coach. He knows he doesn't want to have to prepare for Justin Fields or Tyrod and the difference,

and he's just being big. We'll find out. We'll talk about that later in the week. Appreciate everything you do, Shook. You will be back with us on Thursday night football. At that time, I actually will be in Dublin. So you're handling that game with Jordan Roderick. But we got a couple big-time shows before that.

Play the music, Chris. We're ready to go. We've got our Tuesday show. We're going to decide what takes I'm bringing with me overseas. So we're going to just try out some big. hot takes after three weeks, figure out what the best ones are. Of course, we have our preview show coming up later in the week. Man, Ravens and Lions, I thank you. When we were thinking about football in the off season, this is the game we were waiting for.

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