NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Mark Ingram Suspended; Top 10 Offseason Storylines

Episode Date: May 9, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- reunite after Marc’s long-awaited return from jury duty — and he has paperwork to prove it (2:00). They react to the news of Saints RB Mark Ingram’s suspension for PED violation (4:00), Kurt Warner saying he kinda tried to come out of retirement (10:00), Jets CEO Christopher Johnson saying Sam Darnold will turn the tide of the franchise (15:00) and Roquan Smith losing expensive items in only a way that Gregg Rosenthal can (21:00). The heroes take a look at the Top 10 Storylines To Watch This Offseason (25:00), including Andrew Luck’s health, Colin Kaepernick possibly getting a job and more.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am joined by room the filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Woo-hoo. Welcome back, Mark. Thank you. In the first name drop that we get coming back to the show is Jared from Subway.

Very concerning parallel. A man that had his own legal entanglements. Yes. I didn't have legal entanglements I was fulfilling a civic duty, Dan Your case is over though Yes, it is over It is over early

Yeah, it was meant to go through Friday And then suddenly like within You have no idea what's happening Suddenly within like 10 minutes In the courtroom, both sides were like Yeah, we're good Where was the courthouse? Downtown, L.A.

Yeah, where specifically? How did you get there? Uber shared Uber rides are Are my new thing I love them Oh you get to meet a lot of different people I mean you don't meet them but it was like An Uber ride to downtown L is $27

A shared Uber ride was eight So The court dockets related to your specific case Could they be found in public records? Yeah I have them in my bag Are you thinking that I did not go? It's ridiculous This was a big theme to Monday

I believe me One thing that I've found and whenever I'm away from work in general is like Twitter in general is the first thing I will leave if I leave this industry and I saw tweets like are you really a jury duty

it's like could you possibly have anything more to do with your time than be concerned if I'm actually there or not so all right I'll check out that paperwork after the show I got it for you bro it is good to have you back that mark you were missed oh he literally whipped out his paperwork

I knew this was coming so by standby standby It doesn't look like it's been doctorate. It's official. Well, Mark, thank you for doing your civic duty. No, thank you. America, thanks you. This is the Wednesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast.

Big show coming up today. Nice, saucy off-season show. I'm going to talk about, I don't know, call it the curse of the Chris Wessling feature. Because one of the most prominent stars of a top NFC offense is going on the shelf unless he has his way in a court. Is it in a court? It's not officially a court unless it goes to the courts. An appeal is when I'm getting at.

But when you appeal a suspension, as Mark Ingram probably is going to do? Well, he already has. That was their, we'll get into it, but that was an agent, something the agent put out there. And the league quickly said, this case is already wrapped. Could be the curse of the U.S. Otreau. I like it I like aligning it with Wes more interesting well we'll get all that and also coming up today the Zusser wrote a banger top 10 storylines to watch this off season so we'll uh that piece of writing and also don't forget as teased on Monday show actually can we get a little bit of

that glorious guitar for this one. No, Greg, Mark, I know you ingested Monday show, so you're aware of this. Yeah, clearly not, since he had no idea you questioned his jury duty. Coming up at the end of this episode, this is called a tease. All right.

One man, not known for being an open book. opens up the book and shares a major personal revelation, Greg Rosenthal. Oh, I forgot about that. Wow. Your words, I got that, did it? I got that, did it? Yeah.

So that's how we'll close the show. Let's do some news. Get out of here. We will stop this tournament right now. We are adults, and this is ridiculous. It is a Cornell tournament fundraiser. Cut the crap. One of my favorite viral videos of 2018 so far is a dad-filled fist fight breaking out at a cornhole tournament at some blue sky state, I would assume.

I've been involved in a lot of cornhole tournaments over the years. I've been involved in athletics with rednecks quite a bit over the years. I've never seen a fight at a cornhole game. Well, this one was a great one. And I asked Lindsay specifically to leave in the very, very, very. very end, after the organizer disciplines the men for their stupidity, you hear a guy in the deep, faint background go, he started it. Let me hear that again, Lizzie.

Yes, he's back. Go sit on the steps for a while. All right. So, yes, as we alluded to at the very top of the show, the Saints are going to lose one of their very best players for the first quarter of the 2018. season. Mark Ingram, suspended by the league without pay of the first four games for violating the NFL's policy on PEDs, the league announced Tuesday. Ingram led the Saints last season with 1100 rushing yards, was an all-purpose beast, just like his backfield running mate, Alvin Kamara.

But now it's going to be a one-man show. The appeal, as we also alluded to, has already been made. Ingram is allowed to participate in all offseason and preseason practices in games. Mark, we'll start with you on this one. Did you know this is coming? Because Mark Ingram was on the USO tour. Not at all. And I find that I don't know when he would have known. It does sound like the team knew about it for some time.

At least weeks, but maybe since you got back. There was a lot of theories in the newsroom immediately, not just from people that work for this pocket, just wondering like, what happened on that trip? Did Mark give him some supplements or some extra food? Are we doing PEDs in Italy and Germany? Well, in all seriousness, though. I'm on a party with you.

You're right. It is a PED. Right. This is not recreational. This is not recreational. But you did say they slipped away for long hours of partying and also working out. Well, honestly, what I did notice from all those guys and like that they were, despite being kind of on a leisurely week, every morning those dudes were working out like an hour

and a half, two and two and a half hours, which made me feel ridiculous by comparison. And eating huge meals and stuff. You're only working out 80 minutes in the morning. Didn't touch a gym the entire time out there But I don't know I think this came completely out of the blue I saw someone that seemed super fired up for next season And like couldn't have been kind of happier

With the way his offseason was going so The appeal is already heard and denied by the NFL So Ingram will miss those four games And Wes you just on Monday show We talked about and you put up a great column about this You have the Saints is the number one offense Are they still the number one offense with Ingram out of the mix. Well, he's only going to miss a month. Yeah. Season's four months long.

Yeah, I'd say for 75% of the season. All right. All right, smart, Alec. How much does he hurt their offense? Him being absent hurt their offense? I'm trying to figure out, like, how to separate rap sheets reporting that Ingram hasn't been involved in OTAs is looking for a new contract and the Saints were planning to make Alvin Kamara their feature back anyway. I'm not sure how all this works with the suspension news, but if they're going to make Alvin Kamaro the feature back, they're already in much better shape. than most teams in the NFL, even without Mark Ingram. Right.

They can survive a month in that month. They've got the Giants, Bucks, Browns, and Falcons. None of those teams, you would say, have one of the best defenses in the league. So I think they'll be fine on offense with Sean Payton and all the weapons. The report from Ian Rappaport, you just mentioned, to me, was much more interesting than the suspension. Suspensions happen all the time. They get back. He's going to be back for the key games.

It sounds to me like Ingram wasn't thrilled. with his contract, perhaps, or the Saints weren't thrilled with him, that a trade was definitely possible and that when they found out about this failed test, that kind of put that all on hold. He is not at OTAs. Ian Rappaport says, even though he's allowed to be at the facility, he probably won't be there unless he's required. So that's, to me, a kind of a bigger story than the suspension. I agree. And I also, I mean, I do wonder, though, because, you know, and I don't know, you know, every factor that went into West, you make them the number one offense, but I thought the way that you'd have Ingram and Kamara on the field, and defenses really had

no idea how either would be used on almost any given play. Do we really see Alvin Kamara as a guy that you simply make your lone workhorse? I don't know if that's who that player is. I thought Ingram, how can you take away what he did last season? It was his best year by far. No, I agree with that. I think per play efficiency, Kamara will not be nearly as good if he stretched out of that complementary rule. The thing is with Kamara, though, people think of him like, Oh, it's like, it's like almost like a Darren Sproul's guy. He's a third down. It's like, no, he's 250 pounds, and he runs over people sometimes at the goal line.

We've seen. I don't think he's going to make his living at the between the tackle's runner. But he is absolutely big enough, I think, and strong enough to be a 350 touch type of guy. And they'll be happy when Ingram does get back. They did report, though, Dan, if you were at, it did not happen in Europe. He failed the test during the regular season. I didn't think so. The last, the last test was a regular season.

We do that on the pod. The agent said it was at the last test. A little bit of mirth. Yeah. There's a little mirth. I'm just pointing it out. No, it's good. It's good information.

This is an informational podcast. Here's a little more information. Ingram will miss games against the bucks. Cleveland Browns. Nice shot by you, Mark, at the Atlanta Falcons and at the medallands against the Giants. Moving on. West, you could finally sleep. We know whether or not Kurt Warner will return to the NFL, the NFL, the NFL network analyst and pro football

Hall of Famer went on our own airwaves to confirm that no, he will not be playing any more NFL football, but it doesn't mean he didn't think about it. Warner revealed that he spoke to an NFL coach early this offseason about the possibility of coming out of retirement. Here's what he had to say to Andrew Siciliano. There was a lot of teams that were needy of a quarterback this off season and didn't have a vet. We're probably going to go with a young guy. And so reached out to a coaching friend of mine. I was in good shape. I was throwing the football again and said, you know what? I think I can give you one year. If you need that one year bridge to the future, I'm your guy. But as I said, I don't think he took me seriously and was just kind of like

whatever. They went out and signed the quarterback. That was the end of that deal. But, you know, we were talking about it just a little bit last night. I should have known that it was going to blow up and do a full-fledged real-life story when there really wasn't that much to it. Has the ship sailed? Well, you know, you never want to say never, but yeah, I mean, obviously, the older you get, you still have visions of grandeur in your head, but, but yeah, I mean, we're getting too far away from this thing, although I do feel really good, and I was slinging it pretty good just a couple months ago when I was training, but, but yeah, I think it's time that we say this thing is over. So, Warner out, Mark. Wes, you can sleep.

These stories kind of fascinate me just the mind of a professional athlete or a Hall of Famer that your confidence never really leaves you, that you still believe you can play. I was reading a story on T.J. Hushman Zada, the former Bengals receiver, the day before. And he said, you know, basically in similar words, I firmly believe wholeheartedly in my heart of hearts I can line up as a number three receiver after three months of working out. out. And I think if you look back to Greg playing tennis or Dan playing softball or Mark playing football when he was in fifth grade. Dominant. Great cornerback. Like any athlete, when you think about yourself and how good you are, don't you always think of the hot streaks and figure I can be that guy any, like to me, I always think, okay, at my best, if I can get into that groove for an

entire year, yeah, I could see how an athlete would say, yeah, I only picture myself at my best. In my heart of hearts, I'm confident I can do this. And he's kept him. We know we see him very often around here and we also know that he takes good care of himself and he sees what Tom Brady is doing and what Drew Breeze is doing. And I could see why an all-time quarterback could think. An all-time quarterback, yeah.

Yeah, I think why he would think maybe, hey, I could do this maybe. I mean, he hasn't taken a snap in seven seasons. And I was like trying to go back looking at old offensive coordinators that he had to see who might be this coach that maybe rose up through the ranks that still has him on speed dial. He was the one who wanted to do it, which made me think it's got to be the Cardinals, A, because he's close with them and B, because he already offered for it for them again. And they were looking for a better.

They said, we'll, like, we'll find a quarterback in four or five different ways this offseason. This is a fourth or fifth different way. I like deduction, bro. Well, it could be. It had to be. Totally wrong. But you got to figure. I like your deduction. I think maybe what separates us in athletes like that is, is no. I know that I was in so much better shape in high school, unfortunately. than I ever was going to be. Oh, I think the me of today would have been, like, as a football player back then I was like, don't hit me, I don't want to do this.

It's like, now you'd run angry and you'd want to, like, take people out. Part of the story that fascinates me, though, is it's the offseason and how do these stories come about? It only happened. This story, we would not be talking about it. He would not be on up to the minute. If Roto Pat, our friend Pat Dardy, at Roto World,

didn't happen to be watching the Cardinals game and hear that and say, what? And then tweeted it out with the video. literally would have just gone into the ether. No one would have ever talked about it. And instead it ended up programming like SportsCenter and NFL network just because Robert Pat's a diehard cards. I was going to say,

nice job by Rodo Pat. And also he was on the air talking about it because it's May 9th. Right. That's what I mean. Yeah, exactly. A lot of time to fill. In other news, these are high times for the New York Jets who believe they found their signal caller of the future in Sam Darnold,

the number three overall pick. He's great. I want to play right now! And at the very top of the food chain, that optimism is continuing to overflow. CEO Christopher Johnson, who, if you're not aware, is the brother of Woody, who is overseas as the American ambassador to England? Could he be more unplugged? U.K.

Woody Johnson could not be more unplugged. He's literally unplugged now. He is out of the machine. And Chris Johnson has gotten some good reviews as his replacement or temporary replacement. Here's what he had to say via ESPN.com. I honestly think people are going to look back 20 years from now and say this is the moment the Jets shifted into a new gear that they became a great team. I'm pointing this out because from the very top to all the fans, including me, it's a very vulnerable, exciting vulnerable time for Jets fans because everyone is all in on this kid. And the owner's not even hiding it.

like that's a big statement all owners are going to say oh yeah we really think this kid's got a bright future we think we can put him you know build around him and make him a talented quarterback in this league when the owner is saying he's the guy that changes everything 40 years of misery it's a lot of pressure and there's a lot of open-heartedness around the jets and you don't want to be hurt but this is we're going to find out i said this is about 49ers fans in december but i think it applies to jets fans now and this may say something about me as a sports fan, but I don't think there's anything more exciting than sports than a young difference-making talent who has the potential to change everything about your rooting experience. Yeah, you'd be surprised if Chris Johnson and the Jets didn't feel this way about Sam Darnel after what they did. The difference is they're comfortable just putting out there in public. They're not believing in under-promising and over-delivering. And they might as well hype it up. I don't think it's going to make a difference whether he becomes a great one or not, whether they hype them up.

Well, yeah, the thing about Sam Darnold... Yeah, Darnold's not... I think the pressure... I think Sam Darnold's one of the quarterbacks based on sort of the neck-up that I don't think it's going to rattle him the way it might someone else. And you have to have the right team around someone

to make it successful. It can't just be him and no one else. But it's a little different than Niners fans in the sense that Niners fans, you know, depending on your age, you've either lived through multiple Super Bowls or you just went to one a couple years ago. You've had those NFC title game wins. outside of a brief run with Rex Ryan,

the Jets fans have been through utter bleak hell and embarrassing hell in many ways, too. So the idea that it could turn around is crazy. It's a reality shift. A big part of this reaction on the Jets part is that, as Ian said yesterday on NFL up to the minute, the Jets made that trade believing that Baker Mayfield was going to be their quarterback at number three.

Even though they had Sam Darnold number one on their board, they just never at any point considered the idea that Sam Darnold would fall to them at three. So now here they are sitting there extremely happy to get a guy they never thought they had a shot at. And that stuff never happens for the Jets. We'll see if it turns out to be a major break for them. But that's part of the shock and excitement around the team is that it seemed like they could have caught a break here. In other news, a former jet, Brandon Marshall has been on the free agent line since the New York Giants cut ties in them a couple weeks ago. he's meeting with the Seahawks today, according to Mike Garifolo of NFL Network,

34 years old, awful last season, just never got going with Eli and then suffered a lower body injury that knocked out, ended his season prematurely. We talked about Marshall after he got released, Greg, and we're kind of a little skeptical that whether he'd get a job or not, do you think he would be a fit in Seattle? I don't know if he has much to offer any team, but it did point out to me how depleted this Seattle receiver core is when I looked at it. I'm going to be doing them next week

in the projected starters series. Ooh, check it out. NFL.com slash Rosenthal. Slash projected starters even, too. How about that? Well, don't confuse the people. If it's Rosenthal, then slash projected starters. No, no.

Or just. You get a broken URL. Yeah, just projected starters. I thought I thought Russell Wilson had maybe his best wide receiver crew he ever had in Seattle last year. But now it's Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett

and who knows after that. Geron Brown and Ed Dixon. So if ever there's a team that at least could kick the tires give Marshall a shot, this would be it. I mean, but that said, Brandon Marshall, to me,

looked, I'm just surprised that he's going anywhere outside of the New York City area because of his television requirements if he winds up there. Well, now it seems like he's making that decision. I really want to play another year and it's not going to be a perfect setup for me anymore

if I do go down. I'd be surprised if he makes the team. Seahawks don't make the playoffs if Brandon Marshall signs up for him. Well, that's the truth. If you look at the history. I mean, listen, you might say... They could be veering in that direction as the, you know, already, but...

Right. If you look at it purely numerically, chances are that streak would end, but maybe there's some part of Brandon Marshall that upsets locker rooms and makes teams not live up to their expectations. Makes Ryan Fitzpatrick throw a bunch of interceptions in week 17 in Buffalo.

Come on. Don't bring that back. It's a bright new future for my team. I'm just saying that was Marshall. That was still the hardest podcast I've ever done was that Sunday night show. That was, if you want to hear the old Zeuser at his most, like, depressed and sad, go surface week 15, week 17 of 2015. The Purple Heart Committee has been disgusting. Pin it on me.

Moving on, the first round pick of the Bears, Raquin Smith, a victim of a robbery over this weekend. and the Athens Clark County Police Department of Georgia confirmed to NFL.com. Smith had several items stolen from his new BMW, including the team-issued iPad, which I feel like it has the playbook, is the last thing a rookie would ever want stolen from you. I mean, that makes you seem like a total... You're on everyone's radar all this.

You're totally on everyone's radar. Yeah. Greg, as a guy who's lost many, many things, including Apple products over the year. A lot of Apple products. Can you imagine a scenario where you played an entire NFL career and did not lose your playbook multiple times? Well, I did, you know, remember or learn last time I lost something,

which was a phone in a cab. Tell the NFL right away, because they're going to zap it, take all the info out. I kind of waited to see if I... Craig knows all the protocol. Yeah, I kind of waited, you know, a while to see if I was trying to get it back because I was embarrassed. So I waited a while until I told the NFL, no, you got to tell your team right away.

I think Rokan Smith, he's got a good head on the shoulders. He did that. Wes lost an iPad once, but it had nothing to do with a break. It did not involve NFL security. And it involved football, but not this type of football. It involved Big Bear Lake and then watching the World Cup with you guys. At the garage. Where one of our coworkers, late in the day, got into a fistfight with a friend.

And we weren't even there with them. It was just an adjoining group that tipped over everything on our table and initially wedded Chris's iPad. And then you just lost it later. You just lost the iPad. I cannot blame the losing of the iPad on the fisticust that occurred around me. Didn't someone get stiff with a tab there too?

Yes, that also happened. By the way, I love what's in this guy's car that did get returned to him, which was jerseys, the police said were worth over $40,000 because of, like, the lineage of them being game jerseys that were worn in, like, bowl games. But on top of it, four pairs of Bo's headphones,

a Bo's Bluetooth speaker. that came from the draft. Yes. But two watches, a Michael Coors and Kaibo, I guess, watch, which are probably not cheap, a pair of expensive sunglasses and, like, endless Nike shoes. Like, how rich are these players right away where, like, suddenly your car is like... That's all swag, though.

Yeah, I know. We know, we got a Nike swag bag, too. Or Spock isn't like that. You got to keep that stuff under wraps in your car. Put it in the trunk. By the way, most of the stuff was recovered by the police. And I don't know about the iPad, but a lot of it was. So, all's well that ends well.

My iPad, however, still unrecovered. Still pinging it, find my iPad. Yeah, no response. My phone as well. Enjoy it, cab driver from New Orleans. Finally, Orlando Franklin, who you may remember from, Greg, his extended run with. The Broncos, among other. Broncos, yeah.

Thanks. Didn't last too long. Seven years in the NFL. He announced his retirement on Instagram. He's had this to say, over the last few days, I've realized that, FaceTiming, my son is just not enough. Now I throw it to you, Mark, and I ask why, and maybe this will help Orlando, why facetiming is enough for you with your time.

No, it's not. I read this story, and I think this is, A, I think we're going to see more players make decisions like this, but I think that this was one of the better stories of the week. Is Daddy ever coming back? I don't like the critique that I, like, somehow am fine without, you know, contacting my children. And that is another totally fabricated. It didn't say utterly, utterly absurd, just another absurd narrative with no basis in reality at all that I hear about on Twitter five or six times a day for people. It's just good that you have Wi-Fi because that helps a lot in terms of keeping appearances up.

Right? I don't know. I have no idea what you're referring to. There is a lot of projection going on in this room. Perhaps, perhaps. That's what's happening in the news. All right. Here we go.

I said over the weekend that I was in Vegas, but that was a lie. Old Zucer was locked up in his room. And he was burning that midnight oil because an editor? An elaborate lie. My editor, Ali Bumpuri, said, I want content. I want digital content. I want written content. And I said, yes, sir.

So I went down to my own lab. And I cranked out the top 10 off-season store. you can check it out at nfl.com slash hansis and um i have 10 here and i think maybe uh a way to kind of talk about this and go through it is maybe if you gentlemen if you've had the chance to peruse the article yourself could pick one from the list and tell me if it's one that you're juiced about or one that you don't believe is something we should track at all good that's fun west i know you are a man that is very selective in what you care about this time of year uh well What's one that stands out to you that people should be paying attention to?

The one that stands out to me is Andrew Lux Health, which has been something we've been watching for two years now. Most of this stuff, I feel like, will work itself out. Andrew Lux Health is really a question mark to me. Why isn't he throw? I know he's being really strict about following the rules this time. It's still weird that he's not throwing yet, an actual Duke football. The Duke. So I guess I don't expect anything to change until training camp,

and that's when we'll start to see what Andrew Luck's health looks like and what the Colts prospects going forward look like. Maybe we'll get some clues or some progress, you know, once OTA's in mandatory minicamp, just of kind of what he's doing, because that's when the reporters are going to be around, and they really had Andrew Luck, and this was a red flag in hindsight,

basically hidden from all reporters. I remember going to training camp, camp last year. And, you know, he was in another building, literally that you couldn't go walk into. Like, you could kind of see the buildings open, but you didn't have the angle where you could see where Andrew Luck was doing whatever Andrew Luck's doing. It was like a separate facility. He's like the trendy animal at the zoo. Right. You got him off, off campus and in this other locale, you can't even see. So my thought is if you start seeing some tangible progress, and I would think there should be some in May and June, that would be at least a good early.

I just feel like this story has been going on forever. And it has. It's just unbelievable. It was like, oh, when you're writing the articles a while back, it was like, oh, coming off of, you know, recent shoulder surgery, coming off of shoulder surgery six months ago, eight months removed from soldier surgery from last, now it's like we're getting years, years away from the initial issue here.

Right. And it's like, get on the field, please. I think so. 2015 this first popped up. Yeah. And his last game was January 1st, 2017. Part of the appra. That's why you don't tell Kurt Warner he can't play.

I mean, they almost equally have the last, equal distance between their last place on a lot of a lot of the doubt uh that whether it's the football cognizante or uh just regular jo cool uh that's on twitter the reason why people have doubt is because the colts kind of botched it last year by making it seem like it was something that it was going to happen and they were very open in public i thought in their comments and the positive comments and the owner even said before the season that you're going to see andrew luck and it never happened so now that he's been gone all year it's hard to take the organization at its word, even though they continue to spout positive comments about their

quarterback. Let's be fair. All right, Mark, what do you got? Well, I like that you, I mean, this is, I think this would have snuck its way into this type of article one way or the other. But in this case, it is legitimate and real this time, the lingering heat on Patriot Way. This isn't, I don't think, just the same old, let's cook up something that might unseat the Patriots psychologically.

I want to see what plays out with all this. stuff is fine, but I really feel like over and over, you're getting these sound bites from Tom Brady, whether it's the Jim Gray interview, or you have Tom Brady now floating around in a car looking like a magician. I saw that stuff too. I mean, there's just a Met Gallum. Yeah, there's just a bit, yeah, and he was not the weirdest person at the Met Gallup. I thought he looked more like 1992 Michael Jackson, but go on. No, that's that, no, that's absolutely, that's dead on. It's just that, it just feels like there's a bit of a tone shift with a lot of people inside the organization that I would have laughed at even six months ago that any

issues exist at all. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think you're wrong. I don't know if I think Tom Brady, if you listen to that interview, I watched the whole thing. I think he's starting to telegraph. Look, when he's back, they're just, my expectation is it's all going to be buttoned up. Gronk had a long personal meeting with Belichick. What happened after that meeting was the Patriots started negotiating his contract. So I think just based on their prior history, once those guys are back in the building whenever it is, certainly it'll be by mandatory minicamp, they're just going to be the Patriots and they're going to be kind of boring again.

And we'll start to talk about their team, which is significantly different. I think in some ways could be better in terms of the depth on their defense and it's just different on offense. And we'll start talking about that because they're just too good at shutting these stories out. With Gronk, it looks to me more and more like his grumbling has always been about money and wanting a better contract. He's got a pretty bad deal compared to other players of his level, certainly players that play his position. But the Brady thing seems more personal. And since it's Tom Brady and it's Bill Belichick, we'll see if that dies.

And I tend to think they will too. It will get buttoned up by September and they'll drop another 13 and 3 or more. But we are in kind of uncharted territory. I don't think Brady being ambivalent about his. future playing football on some level or his relationship with, you know, his organization is a made up story by any means. It's a really important thing. It's also overdue. He's 40 years old and he has been as motivated, you know, and ready to go as any athlete we've seen. Like, it's time. It's, I don't know. It's overdue. Greg, you want to throw it out there? Yeah, the one that stuck out

to me that we actually will learn about. I, in maybe the rest of the world doesn't think this is interesting, but Kaepernick and Eric Reed possibly getting a job, because I think that's a story that's bigger than football, especially Eric Reed. It sort of doesn't make sense that he wouldn't be on a roster in the season. Now, there's other safeties out there like Trey Boston and Kenny Vicaro people point out that don't have jobs now. So I'm kind of just in wait and see, because I think this is a story that can keep ballooning outward in terms of its importance. And it's just surprising to me that someone in the NFL on the ownership level doesn't just want to be on the right side of this story like because this is a story like Callan Kaepernick it's just going to

be talked about it's hard it's hard for me to imagine that the owners don't see that the Colin Kaepernick story is something that's going to be talked about in 10 years from now like it's made that sort of impact and that it's going to be a positive for the league if he is ever back in the league and it's complicated how to figure this out with with all the legal stuff going on Your wording, it's interesting, you said the right side of the story, which is part of what makes us very complicated, is that there's a whole other portion and especially in the ownership of a very conservative group that don't see it as that being on the right side of history. And I think a lot of teams have been eliminated from even being interested in either of these guys because of it. And one thing I think is also interesting is that Reed, he worked out with Kaepernick on Tuesday. Bay Area News Group spotted them.

They didn't want to talk with. They worked out together at a college, Cal State East Bay. read he's taking the I think he's making the move here like I'm not going to distance myself from Kaepernick and try to get a job no matter of the cost I'm going to continue to be right in the middle of this and put myself side by side with Kaepernick

and see if teams are still willing to play me so I kind of admire that he's not shying away from how he got in this situation in the first place yeah it's like it's what it's who he is it's what he believes and stands for it's not a good look I think to to step off of that just to get a job.

I mean, this is, it's a, I don't think it's just owners either. I think there are coaches that don't want to get involved in this either. Oh, yeah, sure. And it's sponsorships and it's such a convoluted, tangled mess of money interests and greed that you're right. This is going to be a story that we look back on a decade from now, and it's not a sports story at this point. You see Jason Garrett in All or Nothing talk about it with his coaches, A, the coaches, some of the coaches are, really angry about the whole anthem and protest issue. And then B, my bigger takeaway was like,

Jason Garrett just didn't want to have to even bring it up with the coaches. Like he hated even having to talk about it with the coaches, which, you know, you got to be a leader. And any did he talked about it. But you could tell it was just something, oh my gosh, it's like the last thing that these coaches who are so focused on the field want to deal with. It's such a hard job to be a head coach and keep 53 men focused on the same

goal and keep your staff in line and have every all the distractions i think i could kind of see where garret was coming from which was like i'm trying to get this team figured out where we just got killed in denver this is earlier in the season and and now i have this on my plate and that's how i read to me not whether or not where he stood on the issue but just like i don't want to have another thing on my plate and that's certainly what it was uh we should talk about i don't know you guys watching all or nothing we could watch we could talk about that on another show but i watch first two episodes enjoyed it quite a bit. I haven't plugged in yet.

I will catch up at some stage in time. Wes, you did, by the way. One last thing on Eric Reed. I saw you in a Twitter back and forth that a lot of people are saying, oh, Eric Reed should definitely have a job, but you did notice some things last season or you didn't maybe have the best season in San Francisco. Well, Eric Reed is a guy who had concussion issues early in his career

to the point where people doubted whether he was going to be playing again. He's a hard hitter, and you wonder if his body's going to hold up. He's had knee injuries. He's had, I believe, shoulder injuries. He got moved to linebacker for a little bit last year because he wasn't starting at safety. And I think showed something there at some point. And finish off his season well. I would just say this.

And this point gets lost in every discussion of this issue. It is possible to agree with Eric Reed and Colin Kaepernick politically, socially, and still think there are football reasons why they are not playing. Yeah, the Reed one is really interesting to me. Dan pointed out that he's kind of, and I admire it too, being as aggressive as possible or at least public as possible in terms of aligning himself with Kaeparding. And that's what he's doing in terms of this lawsuit that's been filed through the NFLPA. He's getting out in front of it.

He's not waiting until the season. He's doing it right now. We ranked him as the number 25 overall unrestricted free agent when we did our top 101. Number 24, I believe, was Kenny Vicaro. So they were right next to each other. Trey Boston was 53. Those were three of our top safeties. And none of them are looking for jobs.

And so there are other things that you can look at, like, that he doesn't have a job. I don't know. It's like a, it's a complicated issue. But he's kind of making the point, this is who I am. Sign me knowing that's who I am. And one more from the article. Which one, Mark, I'll throw it to you on this one. Which one of the big five rookie QBs will see extensive action in 2018?

Let's say majority starter. So they start eight games or more for their team. I think Sam Darnal could start 16. I'd be surprised if he's not the weak one starter. And if he keeps his act together and he stays healthy, you could go the entire way. Josh Rosen would be right there next along with him. I think Mayfield, I think the Brown's like for better or worse.

I read what you wrote that you don't buy that the Tyrod Taylor thing sticks. But I think at this point, like, he would be one of the, Lamar Jackson would be the lowest, but Baker Mayfield, to me, would be a guy that maybe he starts a couple games at the end of the year if the ship sinks. I don't even mean that as like. Baker Mayfield, you believe, only starts at the end of the year? I don't, I just think if they keep, if Tyrod Taylor is fine, they, and there's not a bunch of people calling for his neck, then he would keep the, I think he'd keep the job longer than any past rookie quarterback, any past quarterback, Cleveland would have been.

I think it's going to be very hard for the Browns, even if they want a red shirt, them to keep them on the bench, unless the Browns do what people think is maybe possible this year, which is put together a season that's somewhat competitive. I mean, if they're six and seven or something like that, I think Tyrod's going to stay in the lineup. But if they,

even if they're making improvements, their record still stinks and they're, you know, isn't the safe bet every one of these guys are starting by like October 20th? That's what I, that's what I do. Here's what happens. all the time. One bad game, and people start to talk about it. Right. Two bad games, people start to call for it. Three bad games, they make the switch. Right. Tyra Taylor could play fine, and I think

he's getting bench the second they're under 500. So, you know, if that's one in three, you know, maybe two games under 500. If that's one and three, he's gone. I mean, I've spent five years saying every one of these quarterbacks are going to start by week three or four, so I don't even know why I just said that about Mayfield. It just seems like that's what they want. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen. He's old. And maybe they will get off to a fast start. And then I could see it happening.

But Mayfield is older. I think he's, you know, there's some argument that he was a little more ready than maybe Sam Darnold would be that Darnold, if there was anyone that could use a little more seasoning, you know, just to get up to speed at the end of a level, it would be him. It's 20 years old. Rosen, I think, depends almost totally on Bradford. Unless Rosen is just insane lights out, I think if Bradford shows up and he's healthy and he's healthy and he's Sam Bradford, he's going to get to start for as long as they're winning,

or at least that 500, which might not be very long, but he's going to get, it's going to be up to Bradford. Couldn't any one of these quarterbacks win the job in the preseason? I don't think Lamar Jackson. I honestly even think with Joe, it seems impossible, but much crazier stuff has happened. I think it could lead to him. If Lamar Jackson is lights out in the preseason, I think Blacko, my opinion, would still start the season, but it would become a short leash situation.

I agree with that. The Ravens, their GM, their assistant GM, their head coach have all gone out of their way to say that Joe Flacko, they believe they can make the playoffs with Joe Flacko. I mean, to me, they have their mindset on all those additions they made on offense are going to revive his career. So if I set the over under at eight and a half, let's leave Jackson out of this on the other four quarterbacks starts this season. Would you take the over on all four? Yes. Interesting. Yeah, I think Josh Allen is a little bit of a mystery.

They go over on 10. I mean, what does he have to, who does he have to beat out, though? No, that's what I'm saying. The cupboard is bare and like your whole, I mean, if we're going to say, here's what Tyrod Taylor can do. Here's what Josh McCown could do. Give me a break, A.J. McCarran. I mean, he's out of there by week three if things aren't good.

The thing they'd have to be worried about, there's a few things, is the surrounding talent, is anyone set up for success there in terms of their receivers and their offensive line and their schedule. Warren Sharp, who does a really good job with strength of schedule, you know, not using the typical, you know, kind of easy way to do it. He had a podcast with Evan Silva, which, you know, I recommend checking out. And he talked about the bill's... Once.

Front-loaded schedule. Yeah, just one time. It's not even, like, that regular. So, they've got a front-loaded schedule where their schedule is much tougher in the first six or seven weeks. And with all of that, and Josh Allen being raw in mind, I would think they're going to give him a Karen a chance to play himself out of that job for a while. Or we see all three quarterbacks by Thanksgiving.

like the same way the Broncos flip-flop through quarterback's nonstop. Or Peterman goes second, yeah? Right. I said this a couple of times. I would not be surprised if Nathan Peterman beats out A.J. McCarran. Or if Josh Allen beats out A.J. McCarran before the season even starts. I hope we do see them all by Thanksgiving. Let's get these kids in there.

It'll be fun. It'll be fun for the league. All right. The Sean Watson back? AFC is a lot more interesting with these young quarterbacks. Get rid of these 39, 40-year-old guys. All the MVP's and whatnot. Get rid of the first.

43-year-olds. Get rid of two of the three best quarterbacks last year. We're going to keep our 40-somethings, though. You guys are studs. You'll be there in a minute. So far away. It will never happen to me. All right.

I'm a year away. It's coming. Never happen to you that suggests death. I think you'd want it to happen to you. All right. I mean, you make a good point. Now it's time. Oh.

This was teased on Monday. If you're joining us late, which is weird, it's podcast. Greg, he makes Don Draper look like an open book. I don't know where this narrative is going to. He's a guy that's not going to let you inside too often. But he promised on Monday that he would change everything. And now we've reached the end of the show, as promised. Greg is going to make an intensely personal revelation.

Greg? This reminds me of the... Wait, let's just get a little more guitar first. Hang on. You turn it up a little bit? I would listen to this song at Wesselmania. This tease and this buildup reminds me of when you're on Route 99 going east, I believe, at least to New Orleans.

There's that sign, like 500. miles. Watch out the thing is coming up. Like scary, like the scariest thing ever. All right, 250 miles. Your mind will be blown by the thing. And then you get off, you know, you check it out. And it's just some like old fake mummy. It's a solid filibuster. But now we want to hear what's happening with you. All right. So here it is, as promised, for 48 hours. Everyone's been on the edge of their seat. Greg, open it up his books. Floor is yours. Mr. Rosenthal. Well, you brought this up out of nowhere, and I immediately thought on Monday, I actually do have something to say to this, because as the guys in this room know, I'm going to Tybee Island next week with Chris Wessling, little Wesselmania on the road. The paramour will be there. It'll be a lot of fun.

Breaking news. But as part of the conditions of me going, my wife Emeka said one of the conditions is I have to say, publicly that I wear the pants in our relationship. And so when you, when you mentioned it the other day, I thought, this is my chance. This is my chance. And I am saying publicly. Why does she want that to be said?

Right. You could argue just the fact that she put that in as a clause, you know, as a point to the opposite, you know, the opposite, but I'm not going to go there. Feels like she believes there's an existing narrative that she wears the pants and she wants to dispel that. Exactly. I think she believes that that's, that's out there, and more importantly, she wanted to know, and this is true,

she wanted me to believe in my heart and know that, no, I actually do wear the pants. Do you believe that in your heart, do you believe? Because you're sort of shaking your head, you know, back and forth. I do, I do believe. You believe that you wear the pants. This is a fascinating peek behind the curtain. It's, I think we have a great relationship, and I think it's, it's, there's a lot of sharing. I think it's not about the pants, but when it comes down to it, I see what she's saying.

The pants are not static. I'm going to agree. I thought you were going to say that the stipulation was that you're going to have to take one of your kids. This is an office, that is a compromise that Greg and his wife often have for Greg coming to social events. We used to be. Not helping the main argument here, but like, though, wait. Is this, does she get this from the podcast? Is she like a long time?

She never listened to the podcast, so I don't know. I think probably, but maybe from me talking about the podcast and stuff. I was floating in the ether. Yeah, just picked up on the vibe. No, it's been, it's not just that. It's been something, I think, that's been a discussion. We've been together 13 years now. I'm married for 11.

And so I think it's been a conversation between the two of us that neither one of us really, you know, believes the other one. All right, so in summation. That had some real tangibility to me. Yeah. Greg is going to Tybee. But more importantly, has announced to the world that he wears the pants in his relationship. Now, think about this as well. Greg's announcement that he wears the pants in his relationship was a demand made by his wife.

That's what I just said. Yeah. Think about that. I think Greg knows when he, I think he understands the dynamic here with announcing it that way. see ben what do you have to say about it feels like a bit of a paradox uh one last bit of tiby news yes sir gregg's not the only one going who else we got a big fish zs zig zig zig zzoo bloop oh can you get this thing in the boat it's hard to get in the boat whoa oh evan silver the big fish the big fish wow tiffany blackman wow

one to tivvy island collie wolf still on the fence we're we're waiting to find out. Tiffany can drive right up. Yeah, Tiffany can drive from further north and to make things clear to the other. And we have feelers out to Julio Jones waiting to hear back. I surface this possibility with my wife and maybe this means she wears the pants. She said, well, you just went to Vegas. You're not going anywhere, sir.

That's it. It was a case closed situation. What if you agreed? It's a fair argument on her part. What if you agreed to announce that you wear the pants in a relationship on a national podcast? I can't wrap my head around that, to be honest. The whole thing was, it's a fascinating look into your relationship and the power dynamics. And that would hold no water.

Right. I was really fascinated by it, too. When she said she had one condition, I'm like, all right, here it comes. And then that was it. I was really, I was thrown for a loop. Well, Greg, we thank you for your honesty. It really is. It's good to see them open up like this.

That was a big moment. Didn't it feel good, though, kind of, too. Maybe it's something to do more often. Feels great. All right. We will be back. Wow. We're all in recovery, as you can tell, from that bombshell.

We will be back on Friday with another edition of the around the NFL podcast talking about football stuff and maybe interpersonal dynamics behind the scenes in our own homes. You never know. It is the off season. This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm. The mailman. The man wearing those pants. and Lindsay Fulton behind the glass. Until Friday.

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