NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - MNF Recap Brees Record; Epic All-Decade Team

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal recap the record-setting Monday Night Football game between the Saints and Colts (6:52) and then break down all of the news in the NFL. The Ford family states that Patricia will be safe with Black Monday right around the corner (21:39)and Josh Gordon is suspended indefinitely (29:36). The heroes create their all-decade team and argue for who shouldn't make the list. (44:04)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What up, guys? Ricky Hollywood here. We've got some big Super Bowl news on Thursday show, so make sure you tune in. And if you're a real diehard fan, you can catch it live on our YouTube video stream. That way, you'll be the first to know what's happening. And trust me, you don't want to miss it. All right. Take it away, boys. Got benched for a dude named Doug. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hansus coming to you from room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys?

Hey, Dan. Just talking about it. Without getting into details, we had a nice newsroom conversation downstairs, the four of us, the great handsome Hank. another prominent figure in the NFL media landscape about a feud that this figure was involved with based on some podcast comments and then some Twitter. Why are we, you know, going around? We were defending Scott Hanson's honors because Michael Lombardi took an unprovoked shot at him on Twitter, which I didn't know all about. Well, we're not saying. We weren't involved.

I found out about it. Yeah, we don't need to get into the conversation. But we were just, you know, catching up on that these two individuals had a. feud and media tiff we're clearly on team hanson that's all i'm saying forget about it and then you know just talking about it is my desire for us to enter into a proper feud with someone else in the media landscape lombardi is a nice choice but scott's already got that um so like who is someone that we can feud with and i think that not only with that spike ratings but it would just kind of spice things up a little bit like just some real bad blood well you guys are a big fan of this will brinson guy but i'm

kind of sick of the way he operates. We love Brinson. Way to clarify that, Wes. Hey, there might be some listeners in, like, Ireland who think we have beef with Brinson. I do not need more Twitter in my life. That's my one issue with this. You get tangled with Barstool or someone,

then it's like your mentions are on fire for the next few weeks. I have enough natural feuds that arise. I don't need to manufacture one. I just think what the four of you guys were, like, saying like sickingly about Judy Batista before we started was pretty gross I mean I was going through my DMs I knew we had we had there was a mini feud with a beat writer up in Cleveland about five years ago and we had the beat writer on the show but I can't remember so many that we don't even remember the details of that I don't remember what that one was about um

there's been heat here and there remember there's Pat McAfee got fired up once that uh who was the punter for the Raiders That was... Marquette King? Outshining McAfee for in terms of like punter swag. And there was a around the NFL post that I wrote naming Marquette King, the coolest punter in the league. And McAfee got upset about that. But this is all small potatoes.

What I'm looking for is something like... Okay. Something that makes waves. Something that puts us in the sports business journal, you know, awful announcing. If there was a deadspin, like we... I mean, it's sports radio 101, but I feel like we've graduated behind... Beyond manufacturing. But Greg, you mentioned Mike Francesa.

That would hurt the young child that grew up listening to him, but that would be a bigger fish. But he's one of the guys that, you know, if you grew up listening to the radio, yeah, he, people come at him and he'd say things like, don't bring a pea shooter to a gun. Right. And at this point, I want to be in that situation. At this point, he's embracing that he barely follows sports and then makes opinions about it. Like, he makes that obvious to everyone. But it would be essentially one media figure first, the four of us and Erica come in with some heat, too. That's a lot to take on. You don't want none of Erica.

Or another podcast. We could feud with the broadcast. How would that go for us? Terrible. Anyway, so we'll work on this. And Greg does make a good point. One of Greg's gifts is that he does seem to get someone mad at him every, you know, five to seven weeks or so. There's some type of thing that pops up where someone gets annoyed with Greg or you say something that rubs someone the wrong way.

What we might be able to do is just organically roll with him. that and whatever Greg does side with Greg and then pour some kerosene on whatever the it is a gift Dan would be Dan's like well for once we'll side with Greg and then we'll get in the mix here I do my one of my favorite feuds ever of course was we'll bleep the name out no why are you doing this in the in the newsroom uh Greg and this gentleman just went off on each other that was very juicy that's not time best I didn't really Brent Grimes's his wife Oh, Miko Grimes. Oh, yeah.

That's another great one. But that one was, first of all, I would never get involved in that feud. I'm staying out of that any ECO-related feud. But the one with this individual in the newsroom led to this individual saying to Greg, set up a debate time about Kenny Stills. And I will debate you why Kenny Stills is a great wide receiver. And Greg is like, no, why would anyone do that? Which was a good answer.

It was going to be like the shootout at the OK Corral. of statistical football arguments. Greg's answer was very, it was accurate. He was like, why would anyone want to watch that? Very niche. And then that guy stormed out of the room. And then a manager, a shadowy league figure said, both of you and put them both in his office for a double talking team.

You're getting so many details wrong here. So many details. I didn't go in any office. The other guy didn't storm out. He was escorted out. All right. Because of that fight? I stayed in my seat.

It was fun to see. So anyway, we're well equipped to start a feud and to maintain one. So I'm looking forward to it. Today's show is a good one. Oh, Ricky, let's set us the appropriate. We want epic, an epic feel to this because I love end of decade, end of year retrospectives. And yes, the Christopher Peter Wessling. Peter.

Richard Wessling. Robert. Robert Wessling's NFL all decade team. What an honor. which is a mega-banger that will be dropping later this week, but we will get a sneak preview and maybe get involved with the discussion, maybe even, Mark, big stage for you in a big spot. Sway Wes on some of his.

I feel like the right person to get into that with Chris Bobby Wesley. Chris Bob. Also, so we'll go through that. Also, we're going to go into the news. We just found out that a coach that's on the hot seat is hopping off. His butts feeling nice in Chile. And then some prominent waiver additions for contenders,

a suspension and more Brown's drama. A lot to get to. But before any of that, history made in the Superdome on Monday night. Let's dig in. 12th play in the drive. First and goal from the five. Breeze under center.

I formation. Got it's the handoff. Let's the throw. Wide open. Touchdown. Josh Hill. 19 years. 273 games, over 76,000 yards, and now 540 touchdowns, Drew Brees take a bow.

Zach Streif, the Saints Radio Network with the call. Yes, history made in the Superdome, and Drew Brees at the center of it, the legendary quarterback, through four touchdown passes, passing Peyton Manning for the all-time record. Manning had been at 539, and Breeze through four, he's up to 542. And while he was there, why not? Drew Breeze decides to go 29 of 30 against the hapless cults, setting the all-time single game mark for accuracy at 96.7%. Yes, 29 for 30, 307 yards, four touchdowns, no interceptions, 10.2 yards per attempt.

Oh, and by the way, Michael Thomas, 12 catches for 128 and a touch on 12 targets. Near perfection for the Saints, 34-7 over the Cults. Oh, they almost pitched a shutout, too. Mark, back from Oakland. You got to dig it on some week 15 football before it was all set and done. Tell me your experience watching Drew Brees, make history.

You know, coming off of the hideous loss to the Niners, where you come out with so many questions about the same. Saints' defense and what that means. And there's these lingering questions about Drew Brees and where he's at right now, arm strength and all this other stuff. It was just one of the sort of classic. I think even the cults just felt like the Washington generals last night. They couldn't get anything done. And the Saints scripted the most perfect bounce-back victory that you could imagine. And hanging around in a totally high-octane NFC that I think we're going to look at the, we are setting up for the greatest NFC playoffs of our time together, I would imagine.

If it all plays out that way, well, of course, it's not going to, you know, there would be surprises. But the Saints are kind of saying, we are right there with the rest of them. We're right there, and Breeze, I thought the way he played took away some concerns for me about their offense, too. Well, this combined with a week ago, because it was just as impressive, if not more, to put that performance up against the 49ers. They had a very good one against the Panthers defense at home, too, about a month ago, then some down weeks. But the fact that they are peaking right now offensively makes me feel a lot more confident about their playoff chances because they're an offensive team. I know it's a good defense. All these defenses are good, but they're not going to, I don't think any of these defenses are going to dominate on another offense's best day.

And we're seeing that the Saints have a little bit of that early 2018 or certainly any time before that juice to them where they know where the receivers are going to be. Breeze was obviously on time on rhythm, and Michael Thomas is playing as well as any wide receiver we've ever seen. Breeze has generally looked fantastic since his return from the thumb injury. He's moving well in the pocket, a couple of great performances in a row, and you've got, like he said, Michael Thomas is an MVP candidate. Jared Cook is now entrenched as that third guy we begged him to become. Latavius Murray's been a good powerback. The O'Line is solid. Tassum Hills a gadget guy. You even have Deontay Harris to throw into the mix once in a while. then Camara is the, like, why are you running like Dante Freeman?

He's the one guy. He just, he's not getting the ball in space the way he did last year, and when he's getting the ball, he's not doing the special things. You even see, like, the frustrated look on his face after a play when he didn't force a defender to miss him on a tackle because he's used to being that guy, and he just can't do it right now. Well, I do think they have concerns. You know, first of all, they lost two defensive line starters

that didn't show up against the Colts. Second, they lost Larry Warford, their Pro Bowl Guard to an injury, which looked like it might have been serious. And they, you know, they're missing their other Pro Bowl Guard who might be back to the mix soon, at least certainly for the playoffs. So that's a concern that they have some injuries. But otherwise, they have to feel better, I think, right now than any time of the year. And you should give that completion record to Michael Thomas. I mean, Drew Brees was amazing. He was perfect.

But some of the catches that Thomas made, there's actually a. I believe it was 64.5% was the catch expectancy of his 12 receptions, and he caught every single one. Right. There's a stat. Yeah. Next gen. Seth Walder of saying, you know, how much over-expected that you would have your, whether you had the highest mark in a single game in three years. I mean, if we assume that you would have expected two to three, four of those passes to be incomplete, and he made plays on them, which has been happening all year.

If we assume Lamar gets MVP, barring him being, you know, swept away by... Conducted by alien. Yeah, something more earthbound. They'd still probably give it to him because it would be a mass tragedy if he was taken away. That's true, because he wouldn't... They're not going to take the trophy away from him. Right, you wouldn't have filed a bad game. His family is going to want the trophy.

How about Michael Thomas for Offensive Player of the Year, though? Sure. I mean, I understand it's probably just going to go to Russell Wilson, but... It would probably just go to Lamar Jackson. I don't like an offensive player of the year. And I bet more times than not, it just goes to the same guy, getting both awards. Really? I feel like they always split it up.

They usually split it, though, I think. If it's a close race and they want to give the runner-up a consolation prize, they give them the O-P-O-Y. Last year they did not, right? I mean, this is your Hill grip. I'll give you a perfect example. Peyton Manning and Adrian Peterson had historic seasons 2012. They gave Adrian Peterson MVP, and they said,

Peyton, take your 55 touchdowns. Well, we've said it 100 times. It's best picture and best director, and they find a way to reward to, you know, willing subjects. Can we just take a step back and truly appreciate Drew Brees, honestly? And I know it's happening in all corners. But maybe we don't always talk about Brees the way we talk about these other greats, whether it's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

And Brees has always been maybe a step behind in the shadows of those guys in this era. But now you take a step back. He's got the one ring. He can really use a second ring. But he's got the all-time touchdown record. And maybe Brady catches him. Who knows. But he's got the yardage record.

Brady needs, what, a couple on Saturday to pass him. I doubt they'll do any ceremony, and then Breeze will pass him back on Sunday. He's three behind, I believe. He needs, and I don't know if Brady's got three more touchdowns in him. Completion percentage record. He is this guy that's stacking up numbers that are godlike, and he's been doing it forever. He's 40 years old. He went 20 out of 30 last night at 40 years old.

Brady gets all the shine for being the old quarterback. Breeze is doing the same thing, a couple years behind him. I liked it on the same night he did get the single. game completion record because there's so much noise in the career records the you've played through three passing revolutions in your career there's never been a better time to pass there's never been a better stadium to pass in there's rarely been a better play caller to play quarterback under you've rarely been injured he's had he's checked all these boxes that would say yes of course you've got these career marks but i think what stands out about him is the accuracy that he's

probably the most accurate quarterback of all time and that in the time we've done done this podcast. We've talked about another accurate quarterback like Philip Rivers. Why are you always going through these stretches where you're turning the ball over and your offense doesn't right? Tom Brady goes through slumps. Aaron Rogers goes through slumps. We try to figure out what's wrong with their offenses. We're never trying to figure out what's wrong with Drew Bree's offense. Late last season. Well, that was maybe an arm injury thing, maybe. But for the most part, Drew Breeze has sailed along as a top five offense through his entire Saints career. He's going to break his own completion if he qualifies with.

with enough throws, he'll have broken the completion record for a season for three straight years. I mean, he started leading the league in yards back in 2006, and he's done it for many of the years since, often leads it in attempts. It's wild. He did have a stretch like six, seven years ago where he led the league in interceptions, and then a couple years later, he threw 17. And I remember thinking at the time, okay, Drew Brees is starting to decline. That was 2012 and 2014. It's like, I think it was more of a factor if they had such a bad defense that he just had to take more chances. And you're right, you can't teach accuracy. And he might be the most accurate quarterback ever. And the Saints are adding pieces as they go. They claim Janoris Jenkins

on waivers and Eli Apple, who's had a great season until the last three weeks, I think is going to get benched because he has not played well the last couple weeks. And here, now let's just slide in another Giants cornerback. I got that giant secondary back. secondary on south i mean jenkins part of what started the um unraveling of his giant's career and it happened very quickly after he used like a you know ugly term to describe a fan that came after on twitter he's posting his own stats pointing out that he's having a good year amidst this last place seasons for the giants but he's a knucklehead i don't know is he is he a guy that you want on your team i don't know i think it's a month it's a month long rental and see where it takes you

is the breeze the best passer ever I don't know how you judge that like do you judge him against his peers or do you judge him with like the evolution to me Dan Marino is the best passer I've ever seen and Aaron Rogers is probably right there with it right the problem is in look Breeze can hit a lot of difficult touch throws over a zone

you know into small windows but he he doesn't have the wow factor of like the deep out 25 yards down the side He doesn't have the, okay, that's the best throw I've ever seen. It's more just like incredible accuracy, decision-making, touch, everything like that. But the fact that they went 17 possessions and they scored 14 of them during this two-game stretch against competent enough defenses, this is not, you know, a very, a great 49ers defense and a pretty good Colts defense.

They have not been bad this. They've been in every game. I know they were embarrassing last night. Jacoby Brissette, you know, couldn't shoot straight. He's been pretty bad since his injury. but this has been a good cult's team. For them to blow them out, it's impressive. I feel like in week 16, this is the first week of the season where I've thought,

if you throw all the NFC teams into a Royal Rumble, the Saints probably are the last one standing in the ring as we enter week 16. Neither are the best team in the NFC at this moment. And I like their chances of getting a buy and very possibly getting the one seat. I think the way that the schedule works out with the Seahawks and the 49ers playing, you know, they're going to be rooting for the Seahawks to win that game because they have the tie-break. They have a pack of the Vikings,

they can jump back up. If I believe, because I was going through one of those playoff machines, which is not as accurate as dealing with a Greg Rosenthal. No, I messed up here the other night

with some basic stuff. I've totally fallen off. I don't own up to that. I believe that if the Saints went out and the NFC West champion, eventual champion wins out, and they both finish 13 and 3, the Saints don't get that by.

Well, it depends. It depends if it's a three-way tie because that would have a factor. If it's them in the Seahawks, I don't need to go to any calculator. They played them and they lost to them. I mean, they beat them. So they have the tiebreaker. The Seahawks. If it's a three-team one, I think, where the Packers went out, then I think they're in trouble.

The Packers have a superior conference record to New Orleans right now. And we brought up Papa Shango last week. The Colts on Monday night, they were Barry Hart. Harowitz. They're the jober whose job is to show up, take a beating, get paid, and go home. Yep. Pat yourself on the back. This is now like an annual thing. Like a pat, the general, Washington generals come in on Monday night football for Drew Brees to break records. They were very efficient in that role. By the way, when we talk about the best passer, and I know why does the name Eric Hippel not come up in that conversation? Did anyone watch him?

I know West did back in the day. Detroit Lions court. Yeah. I also, there's also the Blauards have, I'm I'm sure a comment to make it. He was the original blow. There we go. I've seen a lot of... I'm seeing a lot of... I'm seeing a lot of Peyton Manning or Drew Breeze Convo for whatever reason. Peyton Manning was better.

Come on. I think you got it... You're becoming a victim of the moment. And Breeze has a better longevity, so he's having this late career that Brady's also had. How many MVPs does Breeze have? Zero, right? Thank you. But Peyton Manning, in terms of long...

You know, the streak and the peak, forget it. We are one sandwich away, or one touchdown away from Taysom Hill towards a sandwich prop being triggered by the way. Eight quarters. You got eight quarters. I kind of like that. It's coming right down to the wire. I was thinking maybe he's going to start at quarterback if they didn't have to play, but that's not going to happen now. They're going to have a lot to play for.

One word on the Colts. The Horowitz's? The Chikobi Brissette Colts remind me a little bit of the Alex Smith Chiefs, where they're kind of boring to watch. They have a strong roster. They're run by a good front office. They have a good coach. but even if they stay healthy

which if that happened this year and if their field goal kicker make kicks you might get a wild card to win the AFC South but your ceiling is one playoff and done that's why I bugger on the telecast is going on and on everything this is the true franchise quarterback and maybe maybe you want that guy at QB

and I don't want to fall into that old trap west it's all about the quarterback but is a Jake Brisket team one that's you can actually pin Super Bowl arms on well the numbers say PFF has him 32nd. Most other numbers have him between 16 and the early 20s and stats across the board. You have to factor in, not having T.Y. Hilton for a while, losing Ebron, losing Chester Rogers,

losing Paris Campbell, Marlon Mac. Losing Martin Mack for catches. He hasn't been accurate since the MCL injury. And he's not overly accurate. I would say that's his number one problem. He's not accurate. He doesn't attack downfield. And it's hard to separate how his numbers from how good the play caller is. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if they fire Matt Eberflus, their defensive coordinator. Who's done a fine enough job? Wait, what? His stock was very high just months ago.

I know, but they don't change. First of all, it was Josh McDaniels's higher, which they decided to keep. And man, these defenses like the Cowboys and the Colts who just run out the same sort of plan each time and don't change it up, when you play a guy like Drew Breeze and you just get lit up, you got to be able to change what you do week to week. Let's do some news. part of the thing I think that just makes me me is I go into work every single day trying to earn my job that day

and you know I would go in and make sure that my key card worked and I was in the building and I was okay it's most of the reason why I don't leave the building because they're going to have to throw me out like I've said before so all right so you know the drill

every black Monday six to eight NFL coaches get fired Matt Patricia of the line seemed like a guy that would be in a crosshair is coming off a second straight off season for the Lions finishing below 500. But the Lions announced Tuesday. It will keep both Patricia and GM Bob Quinn in 2020.

Lions owner Martha Firestone Ford. I mean, what a name. Is that how she walks around using the middle name as part of her announcement type? In our Nick shook right up on NFL.com. I think yes is your answer. It might be her husband's name. Spoke with her one set of...

What is more American than Firestone, It's part of two dynasties. I mean, what's more Detroit than that? Unbelievable. Anyway. She's a badass. Here were her comments. We expect to be a playoff contender.

That means playing meaningful games in December. Well, that's not the case with lines. And it's rarely been the case for 20 years now, more perhaps. So, Patricia, I think what happens here is they're looking at the season and saying, you know what? you know six weeks in everybody was getting was high on Patricia saying people seem to be

the players are buying into a system we're in the mix and a very difficult division and then they started to fall off a little bit Matt Stafford gets hurt the backup gets hurt injuries all over the roster the first round pick Hawkinson is banged up

Marvin Jones Jermaine Jones carry on Johnson Mike Daniels they trade quandre digs and then there's yeah the digs trade, and also if Patricia's the defensive guy, it doesn't seem like he has a lot of pieces to work with. So it's like, is this on the coach? Bad organizations love to hit the reset button. That's what I figured was going to happen here. So I kind of credit the Lions for sticking this out for one more year. But I also understand the flip side of it. If you're a Lions fan,

you're like, I don't like the vibe of this guy. I don't like that we're two years and non-relevant after Jimmy Caldwell gave us back-to-back nine and sevens, which is Paradise in Detroit. An 11 and 5 year, two years after that? What do you think, Mark? Where do you come down Well, I think the right decision. The lions are not, and it comes down to Firestorm Ford or whatever her name is. Her name is Martha Firestone Ford. Firestone Ford. I mean, I don't think that they are a, they're not typically a knee-jerk operation.

They are one of the more patient, front-off, ownership club is where they don't, with Jim Caldwell. There was frustration that they were allowing Jim Caldwell. Look at Matt Millen. Matt Millen was there forever. Right. So that's got five years and only one of them had a winning record. So I think that, you know, there were, it's a. depends on what the relationship is, but Patricia came out pretty strongly and said, I get along

with this owner. We talk all the time. There is a relationship that's strong here. So I don't have a problem with finding out what year three would be with Matt Patricia, based on just as you said, this litany of injuries and maladies and all this other stuff that's happened to them. He has been hamstrung. That said, I don't look at the front office and say, I see a clear direction with what the Lions are and what they want to be at this point? I think last week when I was apoplectic about this game being lockable between the Bucks and Lions, you guys made the good point that they've been in every game. The players are trying, even with all of these injuries, playing so many second and third stringers,

they're in games till the end, and I think that's probably what saved Matt Patricia's job. I also think it's a reminder to start your coach and GM on the same page to begin with, because you had that one year where Bob Quinn didn't really want Jim Caldwell. And so now you're just two years into Patricia and you're thinking of making a change. But if you fired Patricia, you're probably firing Bob Quinn and you're Martha, Ford, or whoever's making all of those decisions, the board starting totally over from scratch. And do you want to give up on that? I would rather, if I was her, see what happens with Quinn and Patricia. And basically, this is your last chance, then try to start from scratch.

because here's the reality. You have a long track record of not being able to start over from scratch and doing it well. So try this. An extensive track record. All right. We'll see what happens

with the lines in the offseason and a lot of work to do. Moving on. All right. So two names, we talked about Janaris Jenkins, cut by the Giants, claimed by the Saints,

for some depth in their secondary. Maybe a starting role. Another big name. I bet he's starting. They're a little banged up too. They lost charge. Chauncey Gardner Johnson last night who's been really good for them. Another big name, Terrell Suggs, who of course made his name with the Ravens,

former defensive player of the year. Now 37 years old, signed a contract, one-year deal with the Cardinals earlier this year. And in 13 games in Arizona, he had five and a half sacks, 37 tackles, four force fumbles, which is not peak Suggs production, but pretty good for a late 30. he's pass rusher. So they cut ties with Suggs and he does not make it through waivers. There had been talked that he wanted to reunite with the Ravens. But the Saints, Niners and Seahawks all attempted to claim Suggs.

He goes to the Chiefs, though, who also put in a claim. So he will report to the Chiefs and he becomes a depth piece in their front seven. Wes, your thoughts on Suggs, what you saw from him chewing up that game tape, like the tape dog that you are. He's ageless. He's still, I mean, he's not to the point where he's consistent every week, but there's still games where he's blowing up running games and passing games as a pass rusher.

And I don't think he's just the depth piece for the Chiefs. They lost Alex Okafore to a torn pectoral muscle just a couple of days ago. So he may be right there with Frank Clark as their two most important defensive ends. Couldn't you see him making a huge play in January? Yeah, and I think part of the strategy here was there is a need, but also don't allow him to fall further down the waiver chain to to Baltimore or two New England. It's keeping him out of that other...

Does this mean the Ravens didn't put it in a claim for him? Well, I mean, they were lower on the list. The logic, I believe, is this. They were 32nd out of 32 teams in the waiver claim. So if he got to them and it was clear that he wanted to play for them anyway, why even claim him? Because if he makes it through waivers, you just sign him to a cheaper contract or whatever. Yeah, Suggs, and he's played a lot.

expect him to start. I would have expected him to rotate maybe with Okafer, but now that he's gone, I mean, that is a very thin position. I think he steps right in and starts for what's been a very good pasty. Did he ask for his release from the Cardinals? It was a little confusing. They said it was a mutual decision. So something happened behind the scenes where... It's funny. Why didn't you just sign with the Ravens anyway instead of deciding that you wanted to play the last leg of your career in your home state? It could have also been like the Cardinals went to him and they said, look, we're going to start playing some younger guys now and he didn't want to be part of that. And then so it just makes sense. Plus they save some money.

Cardinals were willing to give him $7 million. Right. No, the Ravens were shocked by losing Terrell Suggs. It was the one guy they had, they were. It was like a first day. They were flummox. They were like, I can't believe Terrell Suggs did that. He apparently wanted to start his movie production company, which I think he has and all sorts of other.

Remember how concern we were about the Ravens offseason when they were losing all these pieces? It's true. Yeah, I do remember that. Bad news connected to the Seahawks. Josh Gordon banned from the NFL once again. The Seahawks announced that the wide receiver who they claimed off waivers in November was suspended indefinitely for violating the NFL policies on performance enhancing substances and substances of abuse. So they got popped for two separate things. things here? Yes. That was the first time he's ever been suspended for PEDs, I believe.

My God, Josh Gordon. Anyway, this is the fifth suspension in eight years. He was suspended indefinitely just last December while a member of the Pats. He was conditionally reinstated in August just in time for the start of this season. It didn't work out in New England. Ended with Seattle. It seemed like one of those great Seattle moves where a guy kind of cleans up his act and becomes a playmaker. But Gordon, obviously, is dealing with these demons here. He just can't shake it. And you can't, it's, you know, if anybody's been connected to people that have had these

struggles, you look at it and you hear like, oh, what is wrong with this guy? But it's so clear because he knows it's embarrassing to him that this is in the news cycle again. He can't help it. It's an addiction. And it's sad. And I wonder if this is it. If the NFL is finally going to decide as talented as you are, you're still in your 20s, you just can't do it.

You can't stay clean. And that's going to be the end. of him. I think the relationship he has with Roger Goodell will help him get back into the league if he wants to take these steps to do so, just because I think

Goodell has seen that four or five times before. Right. I mean, we've... I guess at what point do teams finally say we can't count on this guy? Well, I think that's probably... Yeah, that would be... This is not the same Josh Gordon of three or four years ago, physically on the field. It's also... That's also written into the deal when you sign

him. We know at this stage of your career, we can't count on you beyond week to week. This is, I mean, we've had all five of his suspensions on this podcast, and I think almost every time we've asked the question, is this it? Now, because he's not providing production, at least he didn't this year, I feel like he'll get one more chance if he does all the steps, but you're right. Maybe he's gone all of next year. I mean, that's, it's sad to see.

Moving on, Mark, let's dig into it. Brown's meltdown season is upon us, S-Z-N, Z as in Zebra, Z. Yes, it is. In the U.K., I don't know if you guys notice this, if you deal with any of the people because we've had our travels to London, which we're very proud of for the Iran-the-N-Fel podcast, if you are, because my name obviously has a Z in it, if you have to spell your name to a, you know, a front office, front desk receptionist during a check-in process, it's like, how do you spell that now? H-A-N-Z-U-S.

They just go Zed, straight up. I don't know anything about it. Sounds like an evil cult. Now, this has happened in many different places, or? It's popped up repeatedly when I dealt with... In the United Kingdom. Yes, Brits and spelling my name when they're repeating it back. Zed.

It's one of the many reasons you hate leaving this country. I love going to London. I'll tell you that. We don't need to do all this flying all over the world, though. I'm already on record on that. It's like, oh, let's do it around the NFL podcast, World Tour. I'm in. Yeah, put me on the old screen.

You would refuse to go on that trip. I'll be right here. Free world travel. No, not for me. No, no, no, no, no. No, not for me. You put me live via satellite. Like that gentleman on the Mexican podcast, the Trendzone podcast.

Some people think that accumulating new experiences in different cultures is a valuable thing. Can help you grow. Some people do. Not everyone apparently does feel that way. Some people value the idea of consistency and spending time with family. I don't need to be globe-trotting at this time of my life. I need to be a father and a provider. You could take them with you.

Now we're just getting ridiculous. Where's the education structure? I just mean in the office. That sounds chaotic also. My kids are trying to learn how to read, Wes. I mean, they're trying to learn how to, like Jack's learning how to multiply by five right now. I don't want to happen to me. It happened to him.

I think bangers and mash and driving on the left with English language taxis is about as crazy. How about we up the ante? Teach him how to count to five in Mandarin. And while we're here, I mean, you guys get on me. I don't see a bunch of world travelers in the room with me right now. Gray goes to Japan, but that's because his wife's families from there. Mark, you grew up in England. We know.

I don't see you globe trop. It's a financial. He went to Mexico last year. Give me some money. Yeah, it's all finances. Have, you know, multiple children to watch your options. dry up in terms of world traveling as you wish. Well, I was just told that children should not be seen as an obstacle.

You just... I was joking. Just the pleasures of the mind and body and spirit. Go get your own across the Amazon or whatever. Well, that is... Greg often is left back at home when his wife takes the kids to Japan. About to be happening. I don't need to go to the Amazon.

I just want a mountain of Amazon boxes coming to my house every day. My wife getting all this stuff set to the house. I collect them from the front door so the porch pirates don't get them. Oh, yeah. That's my life. Really, you're, it's the norm. Like, no one really, or most people don't have the means or don't actually get it done. They just think in their head.

I would love to travel. That would be so great for my experience and just, wouldn't that be nice, but you don't actually do it. You're just different because you wouldn't even want to regardless. I would like to go on a trip at some time. My wife and I have talked about going to Ireland for our 10-year anniversary. Beautiful. But this idea that, oh, God, go see the world before I die. I see plenty of things.

I think what it boils down to, you're a real American, basically. Yeah, you know what? You got it. We finally hit on what this really is. It's a great country, and it's not a perfect country. I don't want to know what I don't know.

I like it. I like that one. Not knowing. That was great. All right. We turned that whole thing into Dan being a better American than the other three of us.

The Browns are a mess. And let's talk about it real quick. We'll start with, and this was news to me, I heard this morning. More Brown's players, and this was from Mike Silver, who reported per two sources at the week 15 loss in Arizona. Multiple rounds players yelled toward the Arizona sideline to, quote, come get me, including wide receiver Jarvis Landry. One takeaway here, they're yelling to the Cardinals sideline?

Is it that bad? They're trying to get to Arizona. Feels a bit desperate. And Jarvis Landry has been, as Mark, you pointed out recently on this podcast, has been one of the bright spots of this team. But it does remind us of all these things entering the season. Yes, all this talent, but there's a lot of combustible things here. Baker loves to talk.

The coach is inexperience. Landry's a guy that runs his mouth. Beckham has always been a guy that talks and gets in the media. And if you put all these guys together, what happens if they don't win? Well, this is what happens. Let's hear from Freddie Kitchens, who was being asked about, yes, these comments and also Landry having words with him on the sideline during the loss of the Cardinals. I wouldn't change Jarvis for anything. Jarvis is – Jarvis plays the game with passion, which I love.

He's tough. He's physical. He wants to win. And when you want to win, as badly as Jarvis does, sometimes your emotion gets the best of you. but I don't have a problem with Jarvis. He's one of the, you know, he's one of my favorites, the way he plays the game, him as a person, everything. And then when you need a leader to step up,

here's Kareem Hunt, who's been on the Browns for four or five weeks. He's telling the media some guys weren't playing hard against the Cardinals. This is some plays that everybody didn't leave it. They're 110% out there through the whole play, you know, through the whole whistle. and we all got to do that if we want to be successful. Mark, is this a situation culture-wise where they have to make a change? Well, I think there's no greater indictment of a coach and a coaching staff

than when it's overtly visible to the eye and to teammates and they're starting to talk about players not putting in the effort no matter what the record is or what the playoff situation is. And, you know, I thought the Browns players were playing hard up to a couple weeks ago, and Kitchens seem to still be getting in response from these guys, but it's bubbling into, you know, very Brownsian, but new territories of ugliness because of the rather star-studded nature of the roster and the combustible status at this point. You're wondering who will be back at that. You could point to almost anyone outside of Baker Mayfield, I have no idea,

or Miles Garrett, I've no idea if any of them will be back at next season, just because it seems to me that the foundation, once again, is totally falling out. And I feel like from the summer, I was trying to ring this warning bell of, I'm not convinced they're just going to soar into the playoffs just because, you know, fans and lots of the media saw that. And there was reasons to be optimistic. But it reminds me of kind of like, for Browns fans, it's just how can we hurt you in a different way this time? And as a kid, I would like in the middle of, you know, have these dreams of like Christmas morning and opening up all these presents. And then suddenly, like, your mom would shake you. and it would be like March 8th

and it'd be raining out and Christmas is months away and it's not any time around the bend. That's how this season feels. It never really arrived. It reminds me of there's a, I think he's a mogul or he's a filthy rich guy living out here in L.A.

And it was a big news story recently. I think it was in Malibu. He built this mega mansion that was worth like $50 million, whatever the number was. And he built it without getting the proper coding and they finished most of the project and then a court ruling came

and a judge said, no, this is not safe. This isn't going to work. You have people living below you. Tear it down. And he had to tear down a mansion that he had just built. It's kind of what the Browns are. They built like this mansion, but it was on bad footing and soggy ground.

And now they might be staring at a tear down here. And who do you trust to handle what's a very delicate situation right now? Well, all year, I've been hoping for the best for Freddie Kitchens. I think he's a likable guy. But that mansion you talked about, that soggy ground, You keep waiting for him to dry it out and build a solid foundation, and every week it gets sogier and soggy and parts of the house start slipping away, and it's just slipping all away from him. He has no control over it. I think you save a lot by just firing Freddie Kitchens and making a good head coaching higher.

I think that's the easy solution, which is usually the one that the Browns take, because they don't want to give up on this nucleus. John Dorsey, these are all his players. And I know Freddie Kitchens was his coach too And there was some talk that he liked the idea of that's a coach Where he can not control But he's certainly the alpha John Dorsey In terms of their relationship It doesn't mean you can't find a better coach

That can sell players who calm down Once you get to February, March, April and all this subsides I think that's to me that's like the easiest way of like Let's keep the team change the coach and see what happened The only flip side Because they're not going to fire Dorsey. No, but from the Cleveland Browns angle, they have tried over and over to fire

and then sell you on the next guy. And the person that would be different would be someone like Ron Rivera who comes in with a decade plus of real experience. I'm not saying that's the person. It has to be somebody like that. It's like there's no Parcells out there. No.

But you need somebody with a track record that commands respect that these guys in this volatile locker room will say, we're not going to be running our mouths to the media around. guy like you just need a good coach. The Panthers were like for all their you know wins or losses they were low drama under Rivera and that's desperately needed for some of these bad teams and as much as the Browns have tried everything as far as hey we're gonna fire this guy and turn to a new

coach they've also stuck with some guys longer and show patience like Hugh Jackson when it maybe he should have been gone a year before that right right we've seen how quickly you can flip like I mean in Arizona their offense went from one of the worst in NFL history to a pretty compelling offense with the number one draft pick with all the, you know, with a new coach. The name to watch maybe is McCarthy. He is a guy a Super Bowl pedigree. He's a guy that was around for a long time that I think this year away

has done well. His agent's doing a nice job. He's giving them these little media interviews. It's a little too obvious. It's obvious, but it's also who else would fit this Bill Rivera would, McCarthy would. I don't think this is a situation where you go with like an unknown coach and hope it works again.

The only thing I find with McCarthy is that he has ties, obviously, to people in Cleveland's front office. Right. And they didn't pursue him last off the season at all. Like, John Dorsey's worked with him. But it was so different last year. It was. It was. But John Dorsey's worked with him directly and didn't even want to talk to him when it was very clear that Mike McCarthy wanted to talk to the Browns.

But it's fair to say that. I just wonder what his opinion of McCarthy is John Dorsey. Where the Browns were New Year's Day last year when Kitchens had the team humming on offense and Freddie and, and Baker loved him. Maybe they just weren't even in that mindset and now they have to open their minds. One huge X-factor. If you get Mike McCarthy,

you know who's coming with him. Frank Signetti. He's been working with McCarthy. Detective Frank Signetti. During this whole... Oh, he's in that crew. Yes, he is. Somebody to clean up the streets and clean.

He's in the bunker. That may be the thing you need. He's in the bunker. He's doing security and the coaching film. Frank Signetti, P.I. If you run a drag net of candidates, he's your guy. Well done. Well done. All right. That's what's happening in the news. Let's get epic, Ricky.

You know, the great thing about Christopher Bobby Wessling is he's a tape jockey. It's a tape monkey. He's a tape dog. And when he puts together a list, this is not a slap B' affair. This is the real stuff. Chris Wessling's all-decade team. You know I love it, Greg. You know the pitchfork, Vulture, AV club pump that end of decade retrospective into my veins. I'm with you.

And now we have our own with Chris Wessling leading the way, picking the greatest players from this decade as we say goodbye to the tens and hello to the roaring 20s. They're going to push that angle hard. There was only one roaring 20s. You can't redo the Roaring Tunnel to the new turn. We don't need another depression either. No, I don't want that either. Well, I would say what's great about this exercise is you guys are going to help me from having a slap-a-fair here. Okay, good.

You're going to make sure that everything is vetted, that this runs through you guys, that we kind of agree on who some of the better players are. And let's get us started. Let's do it. So you sent us the spreadsheet. This is a work in progress that's going to go up on NFL.com later this week. Ali Bumpurie. I'm sure you guys have been going back and forth chopping it up the best way to attack this. So we will be part of that process. Why don't we start right at the top? Because there's been, obviously, this has been a golden age, right, Wes, of quarterbacks?

So when you were coming, how does it work, first of all? Is it a first team, second team type thing or just... I'm only going to do one team. It feels like a lot more writing to do a first team in a second team. Fair enough. So it's one quarterback. One quarterback. No backup. What if the, in this? hypothetical realm, that quarterback gets mono or something. Maybe we'll do like a box off to the side where... Give us a second team. A written second

team, but I don't write anything about it. Or maybe like Mark writes that. Well, that sounds like an extra assignment. Right, yeah. First team, right up, second team, you just get the name. Right. Yeah. So, all right, let's go. Who are your like kind of the nominees, the names that were in your mind your mind when you were deciding who will be chosen

as the starting quarterback of this team? Well, right off the bat, you go with Tom Brady. for his playoff success and then I think with Brady too I mean winning so many straight AFC titles or being in that conference title game every year that that weighs a lot for me whereas Aaron Rogers I believe played at the highest level reached the highest level of quarterbacking during the decade so then you have Drew Breeze with probably the best stats of the decade but I'm not a stats guy so I'm not and Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning way behind so Brady

Edges Rogers Rogers on the second season. Oh, you're wrestling. I'm wrestling. I need that. I need help from you guys. To me, this would be maybe the simplest position, and clearly I have a bias. But the fact that Tom Brady was out playing Aaron Rogers for the second half of this decade, 2016, 17, 18, I think maybe the best three-year stretch of Tom Brady's career was ages 39 to 41. I would say over that stretch, he was the best quarterback in the league on balance. And I don't think it was that close. And I think that was some of the worst years of Aaron Rogers' career where... Why doesn't the first half of the decade?

It absolutely does, but then you look at what the Patriots were doing in the first, not just that they were in the championship game every single season, but they had the top offense in the league pretty much starting with Gronk in 2010 through 2019. They have been a top one-two-th... Well, that's why it's the tight end on the old decade. It's a top one, two, three offense every single season. And now, you know, the Saints can compete with them as maybe the best offense of the decade, the best passing attack of the decade.

But when you combine kind of the individual and the team, I don't think anyone's that close. Would durability be a factor at all when you look at Aaron Rogers who's been lost? No. Okay. Not as much as the extended slumps

in the what's wrong. Multiple times we've had to ask what's wrong with the Packers' offense. Like Brady made the Pro Bowl every single season of the decade. For me, it's Brady and I... Rogers did not come close. I think Rogers' 2011 season

is the best quarterback season of the decade. I think his peaks were higher. I think you could argue he played higher than anyone. whenever in that mid-area of his career. And he wasn't really injury prone. He had a 2013 injury that cost him seven games. And then 2017, he missed half the season, I think, with the clavicle.

But he's played basically every game throughout his career with the exception of those two years. Just try to point to a Patriots team that would go 15 and one and then get knocked out of the playoffs in round one, shockingly. And it's like there are too many. And it's not just on Aaron Rogers. There's a lot of other things happening there. But there are too many stories like that with the Aaron Rogers Packers. I don't see, when you go down that road, it's like swap McCarthy for Belichick and see.

Right, there you go. Maybe, maybe, but I, to me, the point is Tom Brady over and over and over. You think he had the individual, though. Here's the thing. I mean, he won as many MVPs this decade as Rogers did, right? Or no, wait, he just had the one. I think he won two. I think Brady, didn't he win 2010?

Right. So he had the individual stuff. No quarterback looking at this here had more. than two first team all pro so it was spread out you know Brady had to Peyton Manning had to Rogers had two Breeze had none and that's to me another knock on Breeze unfortunately is he's very often the second and third but doesn't have those seasons either in the Super Bowl or where he's number one my vote is Brady begrudgingly because Rogers the past three seasons that's pretty much where I fall it hasn't been where I think it needs to be to close out that type of debate

I would have said, yeah, three years ago, it would have been Rogers, I think. Brady's our guy. All right, let's move on to the running back position. Hmm, what do we got? So who, I mean, listen to this music. Are you jealous, Collinsworth and Belichick? Please. My sure, Barney?

Burning with jealousy, are they? Who are we going to find? You're not going to find Dutch Clark on this team. Will Brinson? That's our feud. Billy Brinson? I don't think. Where's your epic music?

Running back is like a no-brainer. And I haven't gotten to the stage where I've compared all the statistical breakdowns or anything like that. To me, I was just going by, in my mind, it's Adrian Peterson. But he gets docked a little bit because a few of his best seasons were before 2010 started. But I have Adrian Peterson as a running back and Marshawn Lynch as the Flex. Wait, what is Flex in real world the session? So I'm doing this like the All-Pro team where Flex is like your best either running back, Oh, is that a thing in All-Pro? I don't even know.

Yes, there's a flex on the All-Pro team now. Instead of having a third receiver or a second running back, you can have a flex. Is that also, I just want to make sure we're within regulations, when the NFL releases their all-decade teams, do they have a similar setup? I have no idea, but if they go with a fullback, I don't really care what they do. I'm not putting a fullback on the L-Decate team. It's like you're a great, Von to Leach, but... Yeah, you play 17 snaps a game for 10 years.

John Cune's a millionaire because of this. Well, it's interesting. The one guy, when I see him on your list and you have them on, I think, the second team now, which is a tough one. But it's worth talking about. The guy with the most Pro Bowls by far tied for the most first team all pros. And the most yards by more than 2,800 yards. I know you're going to say shady. Is a man by the name of Sean McCoy.

I just don't think people. You're going to say Frank Gore. No, people don't think of them that way. And I wouldn't put him because I don't think his peaks. his consistency is maybe quite there, but it is interesting. If you just kind of look in his career, that's partly why, you know, timed out perfectly. I mean, the decade years are somewhat arbitrary, and that was his career. But he's got the best numbers of the decade, which is pretty interesting.

He does. He's also, to my mind, an unlikable guy, so that factors in. You factor personality? I do. I factor in whether I like, I factor everything I know about this person. But you don't really know him, though. I know enough about him to know I don't like him. I know he's bad at organizing parties.

I know he may be there are instances and reported instances of treating people poorly. Yes, I don't like another people. But it's like O.J. on your all-time team in the 70s? And if he is, you've got to put Lashon in the, you can't dock Lashon. I mean, if you're voting in 1980, you're voting for OJ Simpson. You don't know about what's going to happen in 1994 or whatever. Well, I'll answer it. All right.

Okay. Okay. Well, I do have one question. When you look at all these running backs, and you've got 10 or 11 here, Frank Gore doesn't make the collection of them at all? Well, honestly, like I said, I haven't gotten that far into the research. I went and looked at all the all-pro guys, and he never was an all-pro, so that's probably why he's not on his left.

Isn't it weird? You have David Johnson here, and, you know, I just reminded me, and I was working on the power rankings, and it was, and we saw how Kenny and Drake had four touchdowns, and it comes after David Johnson speaks out against his role. It's crazy that he is, an outsider on the Arizona Cardinals, and he's like 28 years old.

He won't be on that team next year. I think David Johnson is not going to come close to making a team. I just put him there. Right. I mean, if you're putting David Johnson on your long list, then Gore is not, obviously. I just saw him added. It's just added in the app.

We are all looking at these on a Google spreadsheet, and he's live adding. It points out that Frank Gore didn't make an all-pro team. He would be second, by the way, in that yards from scrimmage. He, you know, him and McCoy are one and two in terms of Frank started the most. games and McCoy would be second.

The guy who's third on the list in yards, though, I think is worth mentioning, which is Matt Forte, which is, I know he didn't, you know, finish out the decade that strong and obviously wasn't playing the last couple years. But Adrian Peterson's production the last couple years isn't really worthy of, it's not the reason why you're putting him on this list. And Forte was right there in terms of an every year guy. Right. I mean, just flat out better.

If you're just choosing one guy, he would, he's just in the mix, is what I'm saying. That 2008 draft class was phenomenal. running back. He had Jamal Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Matt Forte. I think that was Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Marshon. Well, that said, if Wes publishes this on NFL.com and one of the two running backs named as Matt Forte, people are going to freak out. So it's like, ah! Really? I don't think. It's one of the two backs of the entire decade? I think you could make a case that Forte would be right there. To me, it would be Peterson, but Forte would be there with McCoy and Charles. If you tried to make a cast for Matt Forte on the all decade team, I

don't think I would read your writing anymore. And if you told me to... Who's number two then? That's what I mean. Who's your number two? Marshaun. Okay. I mean, postseason success does count for a lot.

If you would have told me two years ago that Levyon Bell would not be on this list and he would not make the cut and he didn't have any major knee injury or anything like that, I would have been like, how is that possible? Because his production and what he was doing for that Steelers team, but these have been a rough two years. He sat out a year. and then has had an awful year with the Jets. Yeah, next time you think about trying to hold out for more money, think about your all-decade spot, buddy.

Bang, you got banged. Right, let's move to wide receivers. Well, this is another one where there's an unlikable guy, so I have to get over that. I see that. But the first two guys who jumped in my mind were Julio Jones number one. I think he's a given. Antonio Brown number two.

And then Des Bryant was actually the third guy I thought of. Really? Des Bryant, I mean, the years line up until the last couple. Calvin Johnson is probably a victim of that his career kind of crossed over the two decades, right? Yes, and retiring for a while. Retiring early. Right, but he's still amazingly sixth,

you know, according to pro football reference, in the decade in yards, despite not playing the second half of the decade. Greg, I'm going to have to get you to forward me this link of all decades. Well, I'm just searching. I'll show you how to search, you know, and just search by game started. Gotcha.

And Antonio Brown, to me, it would be an easy pick. I think he's one of the greatest wide receivers in NFL history. I also quit on two different teams, which is a factor for me. Yes, but I can't argue with the two you picked. I don't know how you can really push someone else in there. What about? Like AJ Green, I could have no problem putting him over Antonio. Fitzgerald.

Here's the thing, though. I guess I would count all of Brown. I would count the first seven or eight years where you weren't having money problems with Antonio Brown and not knock him at all for those. No, I won't knock him for those. He's the best. What about DeAndre Hopkins? He's been in the league since 2013.

He's arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now. He's been doing it for years. I think he should be in the conversation. I don't know if you put him ahead of either of those guys. But the fact that Antonio Brown's at a football age 30. Would you have DeAndre Hopkins over, say, A.J. Green. I personally would. I would rather have him a few more years.

I think that's a good conversation. I think if you went with Hopkins over Green, I don't think people could kill you for that. I don't say Hopkins is a special case where he's played with a tangled mess of quarterbacks before the current one. AJ Green has played for a tangled mess of an organization. Well, it's not just over AJ Green.

I think they're very close. I think they probably would be my third and you could go either way. How do you feel about Des? I wouldn't have Des that way. He fell off so hard. That's the only thing with Des, and I love Des, that he was such a great, exciting, dynamic guy

from 22 to 28. or so and then you know the injuries kind of caught up with him and then he was out of the league by what age 31 I don't think he was quite as complete like if you were just starting but touchdowns are really important and who was better at touchdowns than Des Bryant he was a badass in the red zone it was amazingly a top five receiver this decade in yards is demarius Thomas well he's not that not that we would you know put him on this team but just impressive tight end feels obviously the maybe the biggest no brainer on the list I believe it is the biggest no brainer on the list Rob Grunkowski and Jimmy Graham is an ideal number two guy I think even though he's

falling on hard times in his early 30s but when he was Jimmy Graham like going back to Drew Brees for a second he has better numbers than anyone in the history of the league how many true star pass catchers did he play with in his career Michael Thomas is one right now and Jimmy Graham and his prime was the other guy Colston was a great receiver that is one of the things that I attribute as an additional trait to Brise that he wasn't lined with stock talent as much but Graham certainly was I think yeah and it helps he started in 2010 Travis Kelsey is pretty close for me to sniffing Jimmy Graham but as the second guy yeah yeah we're all playing for second

place where do you want to go Greg where do you want to go to next in this do we want to get into line play let's get into yeah we don't have all the time in the world let's go to pass rushers defensive and I say one quick thing about the line, looking at the people that you named, it is insane when you look at how bad the Browns have been that they have Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, and Joel Betonio

on this list. And at one point, three of them played together consistently. Not all the first teams. No, but I mean, that's we're looking, there's 15, 16 linemen here, tops and four of them from the same team at one point. Yep. Utter absurdity. Utter absurdity. Richie Incognito on your

spreadsheet, I mean, you know, going off your Clause of being a good person That's a little messy Yeah, I'm happy for him Where he's at in his life now What he's come back from A lot of it Most of it

You would say What he's done to himself But yeah He has no possibility Of making the final All decades Dan's all about this good person On some of the radar a little bit

For completus You have Joe Thomas Zach Martin Marshall Yonda Markis Pouncy And a right tackle To be named later Penciled

Well I might go Through left tackles Maybe through a tyrant I think that'll probably be. It'll probably be Tyron Smith and Joe Thomas. Jason Peters, it'd be tough to leave him off, but I wouldn't. Here's the other no-brainer that, to me, rivals Grunk as J.J. Watt is one of your edge rushers, Von Miller on the other side. Yes.

Yep. And it's funny, because you think edge pass rushing, there would be a lot of other choices. But to me, those are your, Von Miller, I don't know if he's underrated, but he, to me, he's a no doubter on this team. I think Justin Houston's underrated. As good as Justin Houston and Wake and Cameron Jordan, you have Pierre Paul and Julius Peppers. I mean, to me, it's Miller and Watt pretty clearly. It's Clownie doing on this list.

He's just hanging on the periphery looking in the window. That's what he does. If our fans could see it, you know, it's like, West has, yeah, like 12 or 13 people listed. Clowny, he sneaks in there. He's limping in with a bad name. As I said, a couple ice packs on him. This list came purely from looking at first and second team,

all pros and then writing their names down on the spread. It is on this shared document. Why do I not have permission to type in this document while we're doing this? I will give you permission. Yeah, I already have permission. The lab stuff. Oh, is that? It's a lab scenario.

You also had Cameron Wake and Justin Houston in the mix. Terrell Suggs on the subject of Suggs. You know, he was one of the great beasts early in this decade. And as we talked about, he's still serviceable even at age 37. You know, maybe a little sucks. but then you're back to the good guy, bad guy. Well, I don't think anyone on his team's ever had a problem with Terrell Sachs. Are you allowed to?

Yeah, I think some people in his private life have had significant thoughts. Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Some people have gotten away with a lot. We're also getting into, like, my definition of bad person versus other people's definitions. We don't need to do that. Well, I guess it's just subjective. Right. I have a very strict code.

Okay. Thank you. Somehow Suggs slips by that code. Well, I didn't say that. I will call up an article and send it to you. You tell me if he should. Well, he's buried on the fourth or fifth team here. So you're just...

There's no chance. Still in your locker room. He's still in your locker room. All right, that's my fault. I want to stay on topic here. Let's move to the interior. And another one, another no-brander, Aaron Donald. Yeah, I know he didn't come into the league until, what, 2014 or so.

But he has dominated to such a level that I don't think you can have a list without him. He could retire after this season and he would make the Hall of Fame. I don't even think there's a question. Yeah. Five years ago, Indomacan Su, you would think, would be a slam dunk to be on the top of this list. But, you know, he's, ever since he went to Miami, it seems like he never

really caught, he was never, maybe if you look at the analytics of it all, he was still the same guy, but that seemed to take a bite out of his, I don't know, his stock in someone. Bad team more money. Yeah, your second interior lineman seems like it's totally

wide open, Wes. No, it's not. It's not. Gino Atkins has it pretty firmly. His year's lineup, he entered in 2010. It is now 2019. He has spent his entire career in the decade. And for me, there were years where Aaron Donald wasn't in the league yet or wasn't dominant yet. And the best defensive tackle was Gino Atkins, not Indomican Sue. That's fair, but that all of Sue's career also lines up. And he's been either first or second team, whether it's associated press. Some of that's by reputation. Right. But almost, you know, throughout the decade, you know, 2010, 11, 12, 13, you know, through 15, 16, 17,

not just Pro Bowls, like pro football focus, second teams. Like, he, I could listen to Gino and maybe would go with you. If Gino didn't play for the Bengals, everyone would consider him a no-brainer for this spot. Moving to linebacker. What a one-two punch here. One-two-three punch. You got Luke Keekley, Bobby Wagner, Levanti, David. A name that jumps out, you have second on the middle linebacker.

Patrick Willis, who is one of the great, you know, what ifs in the NFL, an absolute monster's first five years. I think he had four all pro picks, something insane of that level and then suffers one of the grossest knee injuries ever. That was Navarro Bowman. Oh, I'm thinking of Bowman. But Willis in early retirement. Willis retired. Willis did retire. With the foot injuries.

Yes. And he also had three seasons where he was the best middle linebacker in football before the decade started. He gets a little banged by that. And Bowman is on the list as well here. But, yeah, his career was cut short, but it was an amazing start to his career. Could you make a list that cuts goes from like 2005 to 2015 as like a second project?

That would be fun. Some of these cusp guys on cusp. So, I mean, Wagner, it is interesting to think of Wagner as an all decades player, but he absolutely is. It is, Lovante David might be among the most surprising names, I think, to most people that would be, at least for now in your first team. But are you surprised, but? No, because I'm looking at the other options

and trying to think who you would put in place of him. Any Snake Lee fans out there? Look how many people dominate from the NFC West? Thomas Davis would certainly be an option. You could make a case. You can make a case for Thomas Davis. You could make a case for Dante Hightower, certainly. But I think you might be right on day.

I think David, I would agree with you. Cornerbacks. You have Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson. Now, I just want to say one thing, Wes. that I am okay with you not putting Dorel Rivas on this, as long as he's in your previous iteration of this list, the aughts version of your all-decade team, did he get that number one spot?

He's banged by being a cusp player because he comes into the league in 2007, and wasn't 2009 the great, like, all-time? His all-time stretch was 0-8, 09, 0-10, and he was still 10. He was still elite in 11, and then he got hurt in 12. So, yes, he straddled.

it, but I feel like this whole industry needs to be torn down if he doesn't get on one of these lists because no one was better in that stretch. You are appreciative of the choir, and Charles Woodson should never have won that defensive player of the year. That's the bigger issue. I would imagine that bothers him more than not making this list. No, why, it's a very good list, but just Derell Revis may not be as concerned about that. You could still, if you wanted to make the case that, okay, he doesn't have as many seasons,

but he has three first-team all-pros in this. decade. So that ties him actually with Peterson and Sherman. No other person has won. Let's talk about this. So you're not replacing Sherman or Peterson probably. But what if you put him at the defensive back spot instead of Chris Harris? Oh, yeah. Oh, I would do that. Well, I would because I'm a quietly been consistent. That's why like when I saw Levante David, I was like, isn't there someone with like a better peak? Because I'm, I'm. But David's underrated. I'm all about someone like Revis. And I think the fact that he won a Super Bowl and was the first team All-Pro that year with the Patriots.

People kind of think, oh, that was late career Revis. He had a very good top, you know, at least top five cornerback. He got the first team all pro. He won a title. Akeep Taleb's got a pretty strong case. I would counter back West because I know that DB spot, it seems like a consolation. Let's bump Patrick Peterson down to DB and give Revis that second second. Isn't Patrick Peterson first team all pro his entire career just about?

I'm just saying, like I feel like whoever gets that DB slot. Well, the guy who only played like a few years in the third place. It's a bronze medal. I mean, it's very clearly third place. Right. That's where I think Revis belongs because of the years. He just banged by his time. You can't put Sherman there.

He can't play on the inside. He's not possible. It's a compliment. You're king of the eye test. And I need people like you. Revis is number one on the eye test. But that's, I need people like you, people that really know their stuff to let the people know.

I know his peak wasn't as long as you wanted to. I know they got banged by the carryover. But you cannot leave this guy off a list like this. because he was that great. Okay, well, that factors in, and that will probably, I will. People need you. In the article, I'm going to say he's on here because of Dan's passionate advocation, which makes sense to me.

You're coming to the right guy with the right argument. All right, good. Punter, love it. Johnny Hecker. Bang. Thomas Morsted, who's still there in New Orleans. By the way, Johnny Hecker. Last week in that debacle against the Cowboys,

just a maestro performance for a punter. What about that? He needed that because it has not been his best year. We've skipped a position here unless we're going to keep that as a surprise. Hacker's the greatest punter of all time, so he's getting it. Safety. They're talking about kicker. No.

Earl Thomas and Eric Berry, you have penciled in with Harrison Smith, Eric Weddell, Devin McCordy, all looming. I would say Earl is impermanent marker. Barry is penciled in. I can hear arguments for Weddell, McCordy, Harrison Smith, Malcolm Jenkins. Miko's not going to like that yet. Brent buried at the cornerback position. I think I would put McCordy and Harrison Smith over Eric Barry because Eric Barry's didn't have,

even the seasons he played, a couple of them were marred by returning from injury and he wasn't quite a dominant player, whereas he had like two really dominant great seasons, but it's the whole decade where McCordy's great throughout, and Harrison Smith stacked together a lot of good years. I might lean Harrison Smith. You might, you could argue.

One could argue that the greatest accomplishment in that group was Eric Berry returning from cancer to play in an all-pro level. Strong argument. Nice, Wes. Now, I mean, what am I going to argue against the cancer argument? Yeah, it's just like. That carries a little more. That can be your article.

Imagine, like, Wes in, like, the Hall of Fame room, and he brings up that argument. Like, okay, day's over. Just put Barry right in. No, I think you have to factor everything in. That is one great accomplice. that he has. And his peaks are higher. He has three first team

all pros. Weddell had a couple. Harrison Smith, surprisingly, only had one. And then McCordy's kind of that compiler. That's just why Harrison Smith splits the difference a little bit, where the peaks are good. But Harrison Smith, how many years has he played in the decade? 2012 was his rookie year. Okay. So he's been most of the decade. And finally, the most important position to hit.

I mean, this is easier than Gronk. This is easier than Aaron Donald. This is easier than any position in my mind. Justin Tucker. Oh. Not just the best kicker of this decade. Arguably, maybe not so arguably. Maybe inarguably, the greatest kicker in NFL history is your kicker in the decade.

I still believe Grunk is the easiest choice, but Justin Tucker is probably the second easiest choice. I'm thinking you wave even the five-year Hall of Fame waiting period for Tucker, when he hangs it up in 10 years or whatever. Who would be second then, the ghost, Stephen Gaskowski? Is that what they call him? Sometimes, yeah, a bit. He was second on my list, which did no research, just praetor guessing. Does Tucker, you know, he's had a few missed extra points of late?

Is it because he's so unconcerned about his status on this list, that he can make a few mistakes at this point and still just glide right in. Tucker is kind of like a preseason pitcher. He's out here trying things because he's kind of bored. He's like, let me try a new spin to see if this works. He played traditional rock and now he's playing jazz. Yes.

I think that's well said. He's at a different level. He's trying things that these other kickers haven't even entered their mind. Balchick did call him the greatest kicker in NFL history. So did John Harbour. Of course, he also got Joe Mixon, the best running back in the NFL last week. He also said Hecker was like the greatest. is punter.

Yeah. This is all checking out. It makes sense because they are better than ever before. And if we're looking for a feud, we still have that Matt Prater situation as well, Mark. There are so many ways to go with the feud scenario here. Remember my Al-Lider feud? Your Al-Lider feud? Also from the, might have been the same media day.

Al-Liter budding in front of West to get some availability. Budding in front of everyone because he's Al-Liter. Right. I was a lefty and shut the rent down in a postseason game. West and Super Bowl Media Day, not exactly the marriage made for each other. Here's my feud. Just do the entire media night industry. I mean, when they went from Media Day to opening night, that was one of the darkest days in the NFL.

That was a, well, I feel like there are. There are other events on the horizon that are going to be going through some tinkering and changes according to various reports that could add new waves of annoyance to our life. in opening night? Potentially in Indianapolis for the Combine based on what we're hearing so. I don't think that affects us. But they're going to blow that thing out too. All right.

Blown out another podcast. Plugs. Power rankings are up. Check it out. If you want to see where your team is. The debrief. What do we lead with on the debrief this week? The Gilmore T.J. Watt,

defensive player of the year debate. At least I narrowed it down to those two at the top. the coach of the year debate, I think, is also wide open. You could probably make a case for four different guys, Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Kyle Shanahan. Who am I forgetting? Sean Payton? That's it.

Bill Belichick? It's pretty wide open. Yeah. Now I realize when you're pitching this as a topic. It was the actual awards, not making up awards. Yeah. Because it's like two weeks left. Would have been a good sec today?

Well, we could certainly. Let's do it right now. All right. No, no. places to be. Defensive player of the year is pretty wide open. We can talk about it next week. Okay.

All right. Stick a pin in it. And Mark, long form part two. Well, not really a long form. This is your diary of your trip to Oakland. It was as long as the other one.

It felt like a lot. I mean, it's, these don't, you know, didn't write it in 12 minutes, but it was fun to write because it was just like

I wrote it in a notebook the whole day and, you know, come back and. That's fun. I've done the diaries before. It's a fun little, yeah.

It's not as hard a write because you're just kind of dumping out what you were you know it's more your mind it's also it's like no one can argue with what i say i saw when i was not being you know i was i didn't have the the patriots uh taping crew monitoring me during this so there's no footage of what i saw or didn't see but it is true what i wrote and i just a very strange um it makes you suspect a lot no it's entirely true i mean i only wrote what i saw it was like there couldn't have been like no one would even know if i murdered a small...

No, I'm just saying versus like an... It's like who would... There's not any proof of that. Versus like an analytical piece. What can anyone say? What can they say? There's no argument.

That's the best kind of thing to write. Remember the plot line in the last season of the wire where the reporter made up a serial killer? Right. To somehow, you know, keep a paper afloat. I don't know what was the backstory. There's a possibility now in my mind that you have some fictitious elements of the story.

Well, that is not just in case anyone is listening of, you know, authority level. No, there's nothing in here that's not true, but what if there was? It did kind of remind me, though, like in a TV show, and it's like an investigation, and they bring in a really secondary figure that they just want some background,

and then they just start talking and totally implicate themselves, and they're like, wait a second, did this guy do it? And one final thought for me is that I want everyone to know just if we're going to talk about this, that I did also, fly to Cancun, Mexico for spring break, 0-1.

So if you want to say I'm not worldly, I don't think Cancun counts as world. You can't be contained inside the United States with your desire to experience other cultures. O-1. What a week it was. You went to the Panama City of Mexico, and that's worldly? I'm just putting it out there.

I mean, if you want to go country for country, I bet I'm not trailing you guys by too much. It's what I'm saying. I got Mexico. I've been in Germany, by the way. the US. I got England. I got Ireland. So I'm sure you guys aren't lapping me in this competition and you're all older than me. I did a whole thing where you just kind of like scackpacked around Europe. So that was a volume trip for me. Oh, that's going to take you out. That's a nice job.

That's going to take you out. That's a nice job by you. It's going to take you out. But yes, the best way to experience international culture is television. It's with hundreds of drunk Americans in a cloistered scenario. All right. Resort. Just put it out there. I got Mexico. All right.

We've all been to Mexico. There's many parts of Mexico. It's not just like one thing. Well, tell me about it as you've traveled, you know, with a donkey across that country. I would love to travel more often. You obviously have a great history and knowledge of the nation based on your commentary there. I would love to travel to all. parts of Mexico and really all parts of the world.

So what you guys are getting on me more is just that I'm not saying I'd love to do it as right. That's what I was pointing out was like all anyone else says is that they'd like to because no one really gets to do it. It would be easy for me just to say, yeah, I'm the same way. And I'd also say, I'm just keeping it real, that's all. But getting on you, we've let the topic go multiple times. You've continued to bring it up.

So we're not, this isn't really a hammer that's struck. But it is, I've heard a lot from from Mexican people, just like the best way to experience their culture is Cancun Spring Break. Whenever you go to Senior Frogs. No doubt. That's just like if you really want to know the inside story, that's it. The best way to experience any Mexico area is find the local senior frogs and have a good time. All right.

Ricky? Ricky's worldly. Rickie's got the right. Wake up, Ricky. No, I started pressing it and then I wasn't sure if you were asking me about, because in the past year, I've done what, Ireland, Scotland, UK. You got the right idea. Portugal, Spain. You also have that connection to the airline industry,

which is really helping you in this, right? Not with the international trips. Oh, that's true. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So, uh... But she knows the ends and outs and what happens.

She's a traveler. She's got that guap. She got that guap. She got that New England blue blood quap. Okay, here we go. Stripping in the studio, both sides of the glass. That is a signing off for a quiet storm. the mailman, the old boss, and Ricky Hollywood dripping behind the glass.

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