NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - MNF Recap; Buy/Sell/Hold

Episode Date: September 10, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news around the NFL. The heroes recap the Saints/Texans nail-biter (4:36) and the Raiders handling the Broncos. (13:54) The latest news in the NFL includes Nick Foles ending up on the IR (26:10) and Odell Beckham violating league rules with his swag (32:00). Do we buy/ sell/ hold any of these major story lines after week 1? (41:49) The show closes with a TNF preview. (1:02) Off to week 2!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. don't miss it listen to the move the sticks podcast on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts the around the nfl podcast didn't fall out that window welcome to another edition of the around the nflb podcast my name is dan hansis i'm joined in a room that's filled with heroes mark sessler chris wessling and greg rosenthal what is up boys hey dan all right Tuesday show Week 1 in the rear view A lot to get to today

Good to be back on a Tuesday show Our long-time listeners will know We did this show for five or five seasons or so And then had to skip it Unfortunately a year ago But we're back Shadow League figures It feels right

And made us change our night It's like when the sitcom That they decide Oh let's move them to Friday nights At 8 p.m. And then the ratings tank And then they blame the sitcom No, bro. Put us back on the time

time spot where we thrived. That's where we are. It never, even I think as early as week one last year, you know, we enjoyed doing the, with the opportunity given to us, we did the best we could do it. But no, I'm going to say we did, but like the, but the schedule never felt proper. This feels right. And we were just talking about, because who knows how long we'll do these Tuesday shows, like these fading bands that are still touring deep into the, you know, 20, 30 years after the relevance, Where will we be 30 years from now? I mean, I see the only place we could go potentially is like overseas Europe, Dusseldorf.

I mean... Oh, like in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood where he has to go to Italy to make the Cowboy... I mean, to stay even vaguely relevant. I'd say four or five years, ten years from now, we would be in very hot water. We're going to be hitting some of those same venues as bands are hitting. The Trubidor, you know, all around the country. In this scenario, all four of us are still together as one entity? I'm just saying if this still existed 30 or 40 years from now,

Or are we just saying, oh, we're going to go three more years and it's over? And then what? I still have to make money, don't you? How? Somehow. That's a good transition, Wes. Actually, the four of us, I just wanted a little family meeting. Hey, let's head downstairs, actually.

Let's go. Let's go down. Is this the lab? Let's go down to lab. Mark, you too. All right. It's been a long time since we've been in the lab. It's been a while.

It's died of natural death, I thought. Well, it's alive like Frankenstein. Brought to life down here. Just want to make sure everybody's cool. After a Sunday show, Wes, Greg, you've got a live. Little heated. It's a fair question. A little family meeting here.

Mark and I, obviously, concerned the listeners as well. Ricky, you weren't even here. Yeah, I was up in Wine Country, and I got asked if you guys were okay. I'm kind of glad she didn't. I mean, you know, it was an engaging discussion, but I think you probably were in a more celebratory place. Yeah, so. Greg gave a speech in my wedding. I think we can survive Antonio Brown.

Yeah, we're, you know, West and I are brothers. Brothers, and as we've seen with the Wesleying brothers, they're going to fight sometimes. We had moved on and we're talking big. and better topics immediately. I think it was important just to have a family meeting and private. Yeah, I mean, as opposed to burying your feelings in four or five seconds and acting like nothing mattered at all, we're fine, we move on. Dan, I'm still concerned a little bit more.

Yeah, we're kind of like the concerned parents for the brothers that we're fighting. Just talk it out. Antonio Brown's going to come up in the news later today. So we just, as long as everyone's on same page and you guys have moved on, his brothers. That's more of a testing ground when we get into the thick of it. Yes. I commend your leadership on this issue. nicely done dad

never personal all right all right let's get out of the left then he brought him to the left you're the mom kind of like the older brother your mommy I thought I was the mom I don't like that at all

what's Erica oh yeah Erica's our little sister she's a little sis that means Dan and I birthed Erica that is a ridiculous scenario you birthed Erica

that means that one of you guys would win Disney World right isn't the first man to give birth don't they win Disney World Mark what does that even mean Not worth it at all. I could get in there today if I wanted to. The whole thing reeks of poor planning.

All right. Okay, that's good because, yes, we're going to get to Antonio Brown and Bill Belichick's comments on the new Patriots wide receiver. That deal is now official. We'll also do a little buy-hold sell after week one on a number of topics.

We'll look ahead to Thursday night football and week two, which begins with the Bucks at the Panthers. Nice little match up there. But before we do any of that, including the news, let us finish the week one slate with two Monday night football games, starting with the game of week one and one of the better Monday night football games of the decade. Let's go, Ricky. Snap, placement, Lux leans into it.

Lutz has got the distance. Oh, he's got it. Seats win. New Orleans. Gets the W in the season opener and Will Lutz is the hero. Lutz. Give me some of that music, Ricky. Give me some of that too.

No. Well, it is a kicker. It's true. That's not. I kind of like it. I kind of like it. All right, let's roll with it. Will Lutz bangs a 58-yard field goal at the gun,

uh, lifting the New Orleans Saints to a 30 to 28 win over. the Texans, an incredible game featuring two quarterbacks playing at their peak. Drew Breeze got Lutz in position to drill that kick with some really fine QB play in the last 37 seconds

of playing time. It only got to that point where the Saints were behind because my goodness Deshaun Watson goes to play 76 yards and hits Kenny Stills to shock the Superdome into silence. There was so much drama in

this game, Wes, really, really good football. There was a lot of sloppy football throughout the week, but this one was kind of an instant classic, and the Saints come out on top. One of the best Monday night games I've seen, due to my own habits on Monday night watching game pass, I didn't come in to the living room to watch with Lakeisha until the Hopkins pass at the end there. And I felt like I watched the whole game after that, and it was only like 40 seconds. It was incredible. I was amazed at, I guess I shouldn't be at this point at Deshaun Watson's just uncanny ability to play his best when he's behind and in a tough situation. It reminds me so much of the week 16 game against the Eagles where he led a great comeback,

but then the defense couldn't hold it at the end. And Romeo Cornell, the coordinator who had such a great first half ultimately saw the Texans defense, which was very good for all of last year totally collapse on itself, gave up 27 second half points, kind of a vintage Drew Breeze comeback in second half performance, and the soft coverage that they played on the final pass New Orleans through was just brutal if you're a Texans fan to have done so many good things in that game and still lose. Yeah, wake me up in a game where the soft coverage scenario in the final mid-and-a-half against the Hall of Fame quarterback works out for you. It's very rare. This game is one of those ones. It has a little bit of everything, along with DeAndre

Hopkins starring as an actual player. He unfurled a German suplex on a Saints player, which was enjoyable to watch. Tasem Hill got the first of his seven touchdowns that would bring me seven but off to a good start. All I want to see is how are you going to use players and it gave me a good sense. Come out of the game a little concerned about both secondaries, but it was a bit of a victory for Bill O'Brien even in the loss that Kenny Stills played an integral big part. And I'm not too worried about the Laramie Tunsell situation yet. He gave up, he did not play an ideal game at all, but it feels like it would be hard in a way that we never understand to jump in as a left tackle on a team and an offense with like four or five days to prepare. It was a great start by those

running backs too. Duke Johnson and Carlos Hyde, especially Carlos Hyde. Look pretty good for a guy who's been giving up for dead a few times, right? They looked like a perfectly competent one-two punch. I believe the Texans ran for 180 yards and the Saints had not given up more than 112 all of last season. So they moved the ball on the ground. Pass protection remains a major issue for Houston and yeah, we'll see if Tunsell straightens himself out.

He got beat on a really bad third down, crucial play late in the game. But that plays like a good example of why it's tricky sometimes to blame the tackles. You know, the pass rusher, Hendr's going to jump the snap. I mean, he was off. and that has nothing to do with the tackle. And Watson, I wouldn't say that sack is exactly his fault,

but he went back about 11 or 12 yards. The idea is you want to push the guy behind your quarterback, and Tunsell even pushed him. And I would say, how many sacks were there? Six. Six in that game, at least two of them are on Watson. That's just part of his playing style. The line didn't play well either.

I'm not defending it, but it wasn't all. Well, my concern, the pressure came from both sides. And that's not, it just, it wasn't, it was not a clean game. game on it. How long can he last? I know everyone's asking the same question on Twitter, but, you know, he's, he's clearly got a back issue by the time that game ended from that touchdown run he had. And this stuff is the kind of way he plays is going to invite injuries. It was a brilliant performance by Watson. And, you know, I, as we know, if you listen to this podcast, I've been pumping up to Texans all season. And I just think that it's been too often

overlooked how great this guy is. I think that's fair. I agree. And I think maybe Monday and last night changes that because that's such a big audience watching it and he starts to finally get recognized for being a truly special talent. And that's, to me, when I look at the AFC South and I know their own one, so O'N1 is O'N1.

But the X factor in the division, to me, is the Texans have the Sean Watson and the other teams don't. And I think that's going to make the difference. If he stays healthy, question mark, of course, I don't think any of these other teams catch the Texans. I think that when I specifically talk about the

holes on their roster, I'm guilty of overlooking how special Deshawn Watson and DeAndre Hopkins are. And JJ Watt, just because he had one game where he didn't make much of an impact, he's still special too. I mean, I think that depth is important, but also stars win games.

But he also needs to be J.J.J. Watt, because without Jedevian Clowny, maybe he's getting a little more attention, Ryan Ramchek totally shut him down, was one of J.J. Watts, you know, worst career games. And then where are your special plays coming from? Because eventually that secondary kind of clap. It was a vintage Watson performance. And I think one reason he got overlooked this off season is final impressions that we had of him last year, the playoff game. And it's the same

thing with Drew Brees. I think we overrated how the end of last year went on some level, just because in the end, he was the second best quarterback on balance in the NFL last year. And even in this game, like he isn't the story. And they put up 510 yards in 27 half time. He's part of a bigger system. He's got great players around him, but I think he can run that system. This game did not make me feel better about Drew Brees. I think it's a privilege to watch today's veteran quarterbacks in clock management at the end of the game because they've taken it down to a science, whereas 30 years ago that wasn't a thing. But the field has condensed for the Saints' offense. It just has since the first half of last year. They're playing on a smaller

field. And they need Alvin Camara and Michael Thomas to be special because Drew Breeze's arm isn't what it was. Ron, he didn't attempt to pass over 30 yards until that Ted Ginn 40-yard shot in the final two minutes. I hear you. It's just they had two plays over 40 yards, another over 30, two more over 30. It's just the bar is so high with them. It's like it's not fun to watch. And maybe he's not the same guy.

Their margin for air is just a little smaller than it was. And I would be worried if I was them about their defensive tackles and their run defense and maybe a few things about that. One little thing, and Dan, you pointed out that this was a Twitter victory. I loved that ESPN, and you know, I think Monday football is under a fair amount of pressure, to put it mildly. Like, they unfurled this down-and-distance marker that was bright yellow. And so if you've watched football for more than five weeks, your eye is thinking penalty. And so you're drawn to what the drama is. And there's none because it's second in five.

But by halftime, the ESPN put out a tweet saying, we heard you, we followed the drama. And Will Brinson got one of these tweets that gets retweeted like seven. 75 billion times, and, you know, that was a nice move. But then what happens there is they went and changed. I'm going to check out this Brinton bomb. Well, no, they went and, no, he, I think that led to the change because they saw these viral tweets that said this thing's a mess, and they changed the graphic.

Will, who's a friend of the show, is as savvy as they get on Twitter. And he went with the old, hey, retweet or favorite if you want the ESPN to change their ways. And everybody's like, yeah. I thought you had a great tweet because you're like, this like down and distance marker, Is it on anyone else's ready? Oh, yes, everyone else is already on top of it. Brinson and influencer.

Oh, big time. Will knows how to play the game. On Tumblr, too. On Tumblr. Check out Brinson on Tumblr. It does not get any better than that. And Tinder. Can we go to your corner?

Yes, let's do it. That coveted numbers two spot behind Justin Tucker, it's Will Lutz, right? Mm. He did miss a kick as well today. I don't put him on that. That referee time situation forced them into a field goal they should not have. And the league apologized for that. Lutz is a top three kicker, I think.

Aldrich Roses? Roses has got to show me more beyond one year. Roses is number six. Who's there with Tucker and Lutz? Put me on the spot there, Chris. Let me think about that. All right. I just want Lutz to be up there.

All right, maybe hit another 60-yarder for the extra get another L in your name. I think that's a red flag. Lutz. Will with one Lottomis Spellings. Late game. First and go at the four. Car under center. Eye formation, spins, hands off.

Jacobs over the right second. digging, turning, he's in for the touchdown. I don't know how he burrowed. I don't know how he's submarined, but somehow he sneaks into the end zone. That's a touchdown run of four, and the Raiders extend their lead early in the fourth quarter over Denver.

Burrowed. Kevin Harlan, Westwood, won. He's so good. I mean, that's a four-yard touchdown run. And he makes it sound like it was the greatest game that was ever played. What was that played at the Giants? and who was it

Packers? Colts. Colts Giants? Yeah, count down. That's a 58 championship game. It does get too quickly labeled that at this point. I think we should. They had seven turnovers in the first half.

Five lost fumbles in the greatest sloppy game ever played. I see you, Colts Giants. Calm down. Anyway, Derek Carr threw a touchdown pass on the opening drive of the season. Josh Jacobs ran for two scores. The Raiders with the Antonio Brown fiasco, swirling around them, humble the Denver Broncos 24-16 Monday night in Oakland,

the final Monday night football game in Oakland before the team moves to Vegas. What a crime. It is such a crime. And Greg, this was, this is a, in terms of 24-16, as big a beatdown as you can get. I just thought the Raiders had their way with Denver, and it was that way from the jump

and all the things you thought would happen, namely that the Broncos defense would give the Raiders fits. None of that came to fruition. And instead, the Raiders just kind of went up and down the field at May. The Broncos had a Goldston. Longtime listeners of the podcast will remember, we named a zero-sack, zero-QB hit game from an entire team as a Golston. Maybe a watt, we should call it now.

Oh, wow. You turned on Jake. A little early for that. But it's, you know, couched on the team that you. We have breaking news? Okay. Patriots are training wide receipts. receiver de Marius Thomas to the New York Jets for a 2021, six-round pit.

That doesn't pass the smell test. What? It is, I will say this, it is news. I mean, you have broken it, so it is now breaking news. Right. We, normally we would wait, like, till the end of the conversation we just started, since ultimately no one's going to listen to it for three hours, just talking, like, logistics. But, uh, that's fine, Ricky. It was the Jets and Pats involved. It's kind of fun and sexy. Yeah.

Don't let them get in your head. Mark said good, too. No, what I, you did not in your I.M client to us suggest that it was breaking news. You gave us the update that this had happened, which I very much appreciate. I said, good. And I dash dash at Dan Hansis for you to pick up at another time. Erica did it, a very capable job of breaking the non-breaking news. Anyway, Demarius Thomas, who was the odd man out there now that Antonio Brown is in town, goes to the jets.

So I guess are looking for depth or someone's hurt that we don't know about yet. I don't know. I mean, it's a sixth round pick, like, one year after Adam Gase gets fired. So it's not, you know, a huge thing. Nice. Feeling pretty good about yourself. I'm not. I'm just saying it's 2021.

And Adam Gase is rattling. Team West. Rattling cages. Rattling cages. All right. Let's get back to Monday Night Football. Yes, the Raiders. Broncos, no answers for the Raiders.

This was just John Gruden's ideal. game. He's all about completions. Short completions, getting rid of the ball, being decisive. Derek Carr had one of his best games in years. And Gruden, like, this is exactly what Gruden wants to do. Ball control with passing. And you're right. They didn't really have much of an answer for it. This Raiders team, I really do believe, is different than a year ago, even without Antonio Brown. I just think they've upgraded their talent to a normal level where that was not the case a year ago, and I think you saw Mike Mayak's draft class be a factor,

and I just think they're going to be a competitive team this year. Fontes Verfitt, like a lot of their pickups had a pretty big impact on this game. I thought it was telling the way that they, from the very beginning, used Josh Jacobs, who you didn't really see on hard knocks that much. At all. Right? So he, 23 carries, the rest of the team outside of Carr had three, DeAndre Washington, and Jalen Rashard.

So that is, you know, if you picked them up on fantasy, good for you. I forget all the numbers. I thought Derek Carr, who gets weak, we give him lots of compliments on this show, but I don't think that he's accepted as a premier quarterback by most. He had one of those games, and they mentioned a Rich Gannon game that happened in the early 2000s of the year. They went to the Super Bowl, where Brian Greasy mentioned it because he was the Broncos quarterback.

I randomly was at that game when I lived in Denver, and what occurred in that game with Rich Gannon was that I believe he broke the consecutive completions record. I had a few in me along with my cohorts, but it was like 20, one straight passes. So it was that kind of Raiders night because it had an old school feel. And I feel for the Broncos fans because you walk into a game like that. And it's one of those games where the entire, and Dan, I think you dealt with this on Brown's Jets last year in prime time, almost anyone that didn't have a super tight Denver rooting interest, kind of fell in line and wanted the Raiders to sweep Denver up in this game and just drop them with a hammer. And I enjoyed

watching it. I've never really been a Raiders guy, but I could found myself pull pulling so hard for them to win, and I love the game. My first note on this game was Raiders are flying around the field, like the 2013 Seahawks, definitely playing with more energy than a normal game. How long does this last? And it lasts the whole game. They brought it the whole game. The crowd brought it the whole game.

This was exceptionally well-coached. Jimmy G. was the only quarterback to get rid of the ball faster on average than Derek Carr did in week one. Their offensive line was superb, and I've been killing that offensive line. they shoved it down my throat. They're playing without their two starting guards and still shut out that Denver front seven. I mean, what else do you need to know

then the drive in the second quarter? Oakland takes over at the five. I believe they get two false start penalties or two penalties, takes them back to the one and a half or two yard line. And then they just march straight down the field for a touchdown.

And yes, kudos to the game plan get the ball out of cars' hands quickly to, you know, negate the pad or neutralize the pass. rush with Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. But if I'm John Elway, and they showed Elway, I don't know if you guys caught the final minutes of the game, a camera right in Elway's face on the sideline, and then he did not like it on him.

But if I'm Elway, I'm sitting here scratching my head, and I'm thinking, I can't get anything right. I got Joe Flacco over and get to him in a second, who's not able to lift the offense. I thought he would be the guy for me. And then this defense, I bring in Fangio to be the missing piece to take this defense to the next level, and they can't beat up on the Raiders?

I'd be very concerned if I'm a Broncos fan. It's just one game. The only thing that makes people out to be bigger fools than week one is week two. So we'll see how they look next week. But this was not a promising start. And Fangio now has to go play the Bears defense next week, which is an interesting time frame there. And one little tiny note on Fangio and then I'm done with this.

Look, I get the coaches have their own style and they want to wear what they want to wear. and Fongio wants to be flexible and comfortable and have, you know, free reign of body motion during the game. But the sweatshirt with this gigantic sort of Batman and Robinesque utility belt. I don't know what's in all the little pockets. There's a throwback to the early 90s. Andy Reid has employed that at times. But it's not, we need to rethink from the ground up the overall aesthetic that if you're going to be winning,

no one, everyone's going to embrace it. If you're going to lose games, you need to be looking sharp. Well, you know what this is. that we just talked about in a recent show, head coach is looking hotter than ever. They're looking great. They're getting to the gym. They're doing the facial hair.

They have jaw lines now. They care what they look like on the sidelines. Fagio is a throwback. I mean, he's a first year head coach in his 60s, so he's a bit of a throwback to a guy. It's like, I just want to, I'm all built for comfort, not style. I want to win football games. It didn't work out on Monday night.

I really am worried about. I'm not talking to, I'm not asking him to, you're not asking him to go exercise necessarily, but we can do more, and we've learned even in this room, that if we up our fashion game, things can change. Not all of us know that, but some of us. I believe that got Westman. It's fair to question Vic Fongio calling defensive plays from the sideline when he's never done that in his entire career, and that the vantage point in which he was calling plays before, I think probably was an assist to him. I think it's also fair to question why almost no head coaches in NFL history

have called defensive plays from the sideline. Because it's impossible to actually run your team and worry about offense. He's saying, I'm just passing offense off to old Skangs. Well, Skang says it doesn't have many pelts on the wall either. Skangorang! He said... Not a good debut for Skang!

He can call whatever he wants. I just think in general that's problematic because what made Fangio great, you're taking that away and you can't really manage the whole team. I actually didn't think the Broncos defense was that bad. This was... Come on, they were invisible. They couldn't make it.

I hear you. No turnovers, no hits on the quarterback. Here's how many possessions the Raiders had. They had seven. The Broncos had eight, and they either kicked a field goal or missed one on six of them. Like, they just didn't have the ball that much. They moved the ball in the second half. I think they looked fine in the second half.

They kind of woke up from the preseason. You got to be better in the red zone. It was boring to watch, but the difference between Flacco and Carr to me was really big. Flacco in the first game in a new system. in Carr now in the second year, you could just see how much calmer and how quicker he was processed. I mean, find me a number lower than zero

to describe Joe Flacco's cue rating during that game. I mean, whenever he came on the field is when I go, if I have other things I need to go do, that's when I go take care of it. Yeah, you tweeted just in nowhere. Are we ready for State of Flacco? Yeah, let's queue up West for State of Flacko. Oh yeah, this was a candidate for the team of West DL

here. Well, it was uninspiring was the word I would use. And if he plays like that all year, I don't care about the 105 passer rating, Deshaun Hamilton dropping an easy touchdown, his right tackle goes down, and then, it was it the very next play that the substitute gives up a third down sack? So a lot of things going against him, but uninspiring is the word I would use. He held the ball too long in the red zone. Some of those sacks were his own fault. I thought that it was uninspiring, and if he plays like that all year, Elway and I are both taking big L's, especially

since Elway, they put this big message on the board before the game. Elway, quote, our season rests on the shoulders of Joe Flacco. I mean, Joe Flacco is the Peyton Manning statue in the pocket. The not the actual. The good news, Wes. The sheriff. If Joe Flacco does flop, only one of you probably gets fired. Well, we'll see.

We shall see. Why do you throw the probably in there? You never know. Take on wrong. It could go very wrong. You never know what could. Saturday Lake figure, we need to talk to. about your flacko takes, Wesleyan.

Here's my, uh... Here's state of flacko right now. I have a feeling I'm only going to like watching this team during home games. All right. Not a good road quarterback. Not a good thing. I don't think the Broncos have played well on the road period in the last few years. And I always fall for them in home games and that's my fault.

All right. There you go. There's a recap the final, uh, week one games. Uh, let's now do some news. Baker just literally just says run a one yard in route. I'm just going to bang it. on you because you're big. I don't know.

That's funny to me. I just think it's funny. In fact, I want to hear it again. Let it rip, Ricky. Baker just literally just says run a one-yard in route. I'm just going to bang on you because you're big. I love it. I think he's talking about Dave in the Joku,

but he could be talking about a variety of things. He is potentially talking about the tight end. All right. Let's get to the news, starting with, yes, the Jaguars who place Nick Foles on injured reserve. He could still come back. But even that is uncertain at this point. Jacksonville moves him to IR with that broken left collarbone. He suffered in the first quarter of Sunday's loss to the Chiefs. As we know, the only other quarterback on the roster in week one was Gardner Minshu, the sixth round pick, who played quite well. Simsy and even. in relief, but who knows if that's going to continue, unlikely to continue, let's be honest. Likely. So Josh Dobbs also joins the fray. The Jags announced on Monday they traded for the former Steelers backup. A fifth round pick in 2020 goes back to Pittsburgh.

So Dobbs enters the depth chart behind Minchew. So the job is Minchus for the time being considerably, you know, a significant amount of time being. Mark Sessler. If I'm a, if I'm Gardner Flint Minchew too, I am not concerned about Josh Dobbs. Let's start right there. And we know, we just got done talking about Derek Carr. Gardner Minchew 22 of 25 with two touchdowns. And I have never in my life had a backup quarterback emerge out of the shadows where suddenly,

I don't know if you guys, I'm getting tweets about Minchu saying you guys don't understand. This dude has the it factor. He lit it up in college. He was with Mike Leach at Washington. State. People that have been around him just say they love him and that the entire Washington State team gathered together with Leach to find out what was going on during this game. He is one of these dudes that people like a Pied Piper figure get behind. He's immediately become my second favorite player in the NFL. And I'm going to be drafting Jaguars games very early

Thursday. Because of his facial hair? Because of his facial hair? I like the whole energy. No, because facial hair comes and goes. It's about what's inside the soul and what I think I see in him. Let's start right there. And Josh Dobbs, have a nice time sitting on the pine. Over under a month before you're still picking Jaguars games as you're high on yourself. All depends on what they do with Gardner-Flynn-Minchu, too. Doug Marone told Iron Eagle and Dan Fouts, the beard and the bird, to those of you out there who still remember that, that this guy can sling it.

There's no question about his arm strength. I think Fouts gave him a lot of credit for reading the blitzes in that game. That's promising. And I thought it was interesting. He was going to transfer to be a backup at Alabama. because he wanted to be a graduate assistant under Nick Sabin. This guy's thinking ahead. So he's that sort of quarterback.

It's like, hey, he's a coach on the field, which usually those guys end up being coaches. Well, right. By the way. They end up being Kevin O'Connell or... Greg McElroy. Yeah. Fifth and Heisman Trophy voting

and the recipient of the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, which is given to older college players, i.e. seniors. No, but those guys usually don't come in and have the first week in the NFL performance, that he, that performance should absolutely grab our attention and want to see. Foles is getting Fulsed. Wow. Henry Hatchen, the vice president of international here at NFL media,

sent me a tweet from a gentleman named Chris Kaufman. He co-hosts a Dolphins podcast. And Kaufman threw out the question, who does Gardner Minchu look like to you? And there's a couple good answers here. He looks like the mechanic that comes to the waiting room, shaking his head, saying you need your, engine to be completely rebuilt.

He looks like the dude that abandoned your sister after he knocked her up, but he's back now, has a great job with the cable company and really wants to make things right. Thorny. He looks like the tag-along brother of your best high school bud after he got out of community college. He does have that every man look that you can get behind. And I think for better worse, he sneaks up on you. They do expect falls back.

In this case, he snuck up on the Chiefs. Morone believes he'll be back, maybe as early as week 11. That's the first week. That's a long time. It is a long time. Yeah, we'll, let's see where Doug Marone is by week 11. I mean, I wish him well, but that is... Do you, though?

Eons from now. You and Eish Mehta are both on the same corner. No, I've actually spoken. Doug Maron is one of the few coaches that when I've approached him at a league event was actually nice to me versus trying to swap me away like an insect flying through the air. He's three times a size of you. He is a massive human. Speaking of the IR, bad news for the Eagles, defensive tackle Malik Jackson,

expected to be placed on injured reserve after suffering a significant foot injury is how the team termed it in Sunday's opener against the Redskins de-coordinator Philly Jim Schwartz said yeah we'll probably be without him for a while Malik is an important part of what we do and we will certainly miss him

so next man up and all that according to NFL Network Jackson has Liz Frank surgery coming up next week and it is an injury that should wipe out his entire season big setback Wes yeah it is because he's a good

player, but not every team has a Timmy Jernigan sitting on the bench waiting to jump right into the starting line. And Jernigan had a big sack that would have knocked the Redskins out of field goal range, if not for a Derek Barnett penalty in that game last week. They're a little thinner, though. I think on the defensive line in general than they have been the last couple years. I would say that's definitely true at defensive end, and now because of this injury, that's true at defensive tackle.

That game got a lot of attention because of the way the Redskins jumped out early when no one expected it. But if you go look at what happened when the Eagles kind of got out of their own way, three of their four drives in the second half went for one, zero, and four yards. They totally shut the Redskins down. Meanwhile, at the dog pound, Cleveland Brown star Odell Beckham Jr. said he plans to continue wearing the $190,000 Richard Millie. I don't know. I read it was a $350,000. That has been reappraised. since then. Time piece.

A watch that the league reached out to him about and said, hey, bro, I don't know if you can wear a watch on the field. He says, I want to keep wearing it. I will keep wearing it. And he added Tuesday that the NFL is singling him out. Your girl, your woman, excuse me, Mark. Mary Kay Cabot reported that Beckham said today. If Tom Brady was wearing this watch, nobody would say anything.

Tom Brady wouldn't be wearing a $190,000 watch. Keep your focus on the field. And Mark, it has another. to do with the Browns. This guy's been driving me crazy for years. And this is the type of stuff that drives me crazy. This feels like it's pulled from a time machine from a Giants game from, because he has been totally quiet and nothing but a model citizen.

And I'm not saying this makes you not a bad citizen, but we don't need, why does anyone need this narrative? This is annoying. This is the tightrope that being someone that comments on professional football walks when a story like this comes out, and especially with Odell Beckham. Is he getting paid for this?

If you, if you criticize, if you criticize O'Dell Beckham or a player for doing something like this, you are presented as someone from the establishment, someone who doesn't get youth culture. But no, it's not that. It's just like, this is stupid. And you just got your ass kicked in week one. And you don't need to make a story about yourself.

And certainly don't need to be bringing up Tom Brady's name and saying that you are somehow being singled out. It's just unnecessary. It's not the end of the world. No, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. But this is the type of stuff with Beckham that comes with the package, and it's not always great. Am I the only one that when I read this was like,

if I even owned a watch, which I don't, like, and it was that expensive, is the first thing I go do being an athletic event where it's like getting scuffed by helmets and, like, getting, you know, smashed into dirt and grass? Like, I don't know. He better be getting paid for it because they are getting an exceptional amount of free advertising.

I mean, I assume he's getting paid for this thing. I mean, would that make it go? Something else cool? I would only be, I would only wear it if you could, knew you could get another free one, you know, after Cameron Wake's helmet cracks it or whatever could happen. Is that worth? Is that worth it?

If the goal here is to get a free watch, is it worth just having to answer questions from the media for a week straight back? I just don't understand. Can you not wear other watches? I didn't know there was rules against wearing watches. Who is Richard Millie? Why did you say have to answer questions from the media? He's in the spotlight.

He's getting attention. Yeah. Why would you wear – I don't know why you'd wear – I don't – just the whole thing, I don't have time for it. Antonio Brown came along at this new souped up Antonio Brown in the last year or so and blew O'Dell Beckham away. I just worry about OBJ getting a little like, you know, jealous

and be like, no, I'll show you what it means to be a petulant wide respect. I mean, watch, this has nothing to do with being petulant, though. He's just wearing, he's just being trying to be stylish. See, there you go. Coming after me. That's a little petchling. That's fair.

Coming after me is the establishment. It's funny, though, because it's funny, hey, if you're going to talk about it, Own it. You know, whatever. I'm saying there is, everything's black and white with this stuff. I don't think it's black and white. I do think that rich guys and Tom Brady is one of them. The first thing they do when they go to the meeting, like the rich guy club meeting,

they're like, let's get super into watches. Let's care about the differences between them. Let's know everything about watch culture and let's just dive in. Whereas for 25 years of our life, we didn't care about watches. The other object, I know this from traveling overseas to an area in Rome or somewhere or Italy where people were shopping NFL players, men's handbags that costs like $500,000 and thinking that we could help pay for it on our NFL stipend. No, I can't even buy an ice cream cone in Italy for how much it cost.

All right. Speaking of Antonio Brown, Bill Belichick, all right, here we go, boys. Everybody, let's do this right. Bill Belichick spoke on Antonio Brown. He was asked about it during a conference call this week. And everyone said, well, this Brown, this guy destroys locker rooms. He is petulant. He's a guy that you can't trust.

What do you think about that, Bill? That's the guy you bring into your locker room. Same thing you said about Randy Moss when we got brought him in. When asked if outside issues affect the team's ability to win, there's no way for me to know what's inside every person's mind. that's up to each of us individually. But collectively, we try to get ourselves in the best physical, mental, and emotional state

to go out there and play as well as we can once a week and so on and so forth. I do have, we talked about a little bit on Sunday, it might have gotten lost in everything else, but I do have this horrible, deep, dark feeling within my soul that this is going to work out exquisitely the New England Patriots.

At first I was all in on the idea of the Trojan horse and that Brown is going to come in and do brown things and destroy the Patriots from within. No, he is going to be a monster on a team that's going to win many, many, many games. I have no idea what's going to happen because it's football. What do you think? Greg, what do you think the most likely outcome is here

given the past history of this organization, which, by the way, is a testament to them? The most likely outcome is this works out. Yeah, for a year, and then that's probably it. Whereas, and Randy Moss, people forget, kind of wore out as welcome and was a pain in the neck after three or four years. It wasn't even the most rebellious wide receiver on his own team. Jerry Porter was. But, you know.

Jerry Porter. When we're Belichick and we're going to paint all the media as one entity as if we're all Lempascarelli answering for 2007. Give me a phrase. For what it's worth, this was after, this was like the third follow-up question. And his answer was the least surprising thing ever. And I believe it to be true that, okay, there is a calculus. I'm only going to take on so many of these guys. But he said, ultimately, he's not worried about what happened in other locker rooms,

that he's worried about if someone works hard and if someone has a good, you know, works hard at their craft. That was Randy Moss's problem. Randy Moss admitted to trying so little that he got himself out of the Raiders. He also said, I would like to, you know, back then he was, he basically admitted, I'm trying to get out of there and he kind of just put it in a half-ass effort for half a season. And eventually they listen. I don't think they're worried about effort when it comes to Brown.

I think they're just confident that they have the structure that it'll be fine and if it's not that they can just cut them. And by the way, I mean, why shouldn't Belichick have complete confidence that that is the case? Because it's like they are the one team that has proven they can get players accountable and wired them a certain way. And Wes, I'm sorry, but I also don't care what Belichick thinks about the media because the way the Patriots are treated in certain ways. they are treated differently, that Belichick could shrug off the entire media as one balloon sinking over the sea, and I just don't have a big problem with it.

I don't think his job is to give a crap about the media at all. Can I just point out that Belichick is lying through his teeth about what he says? He doesn't care about what happens in other locker rooms? That is true only if you are an all-pro caliber talent, then he doesn't care what happens in other locker rooms. But for all the other player he scouts and does his due diligence on, he does care about what happens in another locker.

I mean, I think he learned this lesson early on with Lawrence Taylor, who maybe shaped his career more than anyone. If there was a guy who broke more team rules and norms of what you would expect your player to do in terms of professionalism, it was Lawrence Taylor. And you know what? They bent over backwards to basically allow his drug abuse, try to work with him because they believed in him as a player. Bill Jackson.

That's just the reality. His teammates loved him. Yeah, they like the person, too. I mean, it was tricky, but Lawrence Taylor wasn't just simply the football player was the person. Right. I mean the idea of that you have different rules for different players, especially exceptional players. The idea that that's not the true on every team is ridiculous. Phil Jackson during his time with the Bulls, I just read this the other day, Dennis Robin,

who is as uncontrollable a figure as there was in the NBA in that era, certainly. He had different rules for Robin and for different personalities. to the point where he would be fine with Dennis Robin going to Vegas and going on an all-night bender during the NBA finals. Just make sure you're back here for the game because he thought in Dennis and Dennis Rodman's mindset that that would make him a better player. And the fear, again, the fear,

because that's what's the worst thing about this for me is that the Patriots are going to get better, is that Belichick intrinsically understands this. And Lawrence Taylor is a perfect example. Belichick was on that staff. And he'll know the right buttons to push, with Antonio Brown in the way that Mike Mayock and John Gruden did not. Well, to take your comparison one step further,

the only reason that Phil Jackson, Dennis Rodman dynamic worked was because Michael Jordan was there to instill order and keep a tight lid on Dennis Rodman, just like Tom Brady is there in New England to make sure Antonio Brown. Oh, no. They're already taking selfies together, they're fine. And I think the time aspect is crucial

because I think the Patriots are fine managing with these guys who are a little different than the rest of the team for a shorter amount of time, and then they increasingly think, okay, that's the expiration date. We did find out he has a second year on his contract, which is up to New England if they want to have the option. But even a guy like Chandler Jones,

who was the last guy who got in any real, you know, like had any issues with teammates or anything, there was sort of an expiration date with him because he marched to the beat of his own drummer, and then they get rid of you. All right, that's what's happening. In the news, all right, before we turn all our energy

toward week two and beyond, let's take one look, one more look back at week one with a little buy, hold sell, or is it by cell hold? I think it's by cell hold. The hold being the third, typically the third option, I would imagine. Although hold is kind of like in the middle.

It's like the porridge in the middle. I mean, but am I wrong? It's like win-lose draw. Yeah, it's exactly. It's nothing like win-lose draw. You understand me? Well, we've renamed it to something else. Okay.

All right, win, lose, or draw after week one. Buy, sell, hold. Remember that game show? Oh, yeah. Yes, well, I mean, not functionally in our life day after day, but yeah. I do remember. Was it like a C-list celebrity? I remember that was like one of you had the home version.

Got a couple B-listers in there. All right. Bert Reynolds, pre-buggy nights, might have popped up in a win-lose draw. Oh, yeah. Yes, pre-booky nights. Here we go. Post-smoking the Bandit, pre-Buggy nights. Very dark period for Bert.

It's a big window there. All right, here we go. Buy, sell, hold. Greg, we'll start with you. I'll throw a bunch out. We talked this out before the show, so I'll just tee you guys up and then you let me know.

Buy, sell, hold. We'll start with, Greg, Jimmy G. Concern for Jimmy Garapolo after a, meh, week one performance. I'm buying concern, if that's what I. I am concerned, until proven otherwise. And it's the first game, and he's coming back from a torn ACL. It was telling to me they, I mean, they ran more runs than passes in that game.

There's an ugly pick six. He missed a lot, I would say. I think he probably, I would say he had probably one of the four or five. I guess I haven't watched every game, but he was probably one of the worst performances by a quarterback last week. And the bigger issue is to me, it's like, okay, some guys, they have good games, bad games. But you see what you used to see from Jimmy G. you certainly saw from Baker Mayfield, still five incredible throws in that game, including in the second half.

I haven't seen those throws from Jimmy G in a while, and I won you, and you definitely didn't see any of them on Sunday against Tampa. He doesn't want to get hit. Notice this in the preseason, notice this in the game against the Buccaneers, where he's turning his back after he throws the pass immediately. He doesn't want to get hit because he doesn't trust his knee, I imagine. And I think that throughout his career in the limited sample size we have, He's an above average quarterback between the 20s and a below average quarterback in the red zone,

and he's got to fix his red zone issues. I mean, he's also 27 about to turn 28, so there's only so many more years for this to be fixed. This is a very important year for James Garoppolo. All right, Wes, Cowboys as a dominant offensive force by, sell, hold. I am buying this. They are drastically different. The Texans are the only team that saw a big, increase than the roughly 26% increase of offensive plays with shifts in motion that

Kellynne Moore used in week one compared to what Scott Linnehan did last week. Damn. They transformed their offense. They did not go through the run. They went through the pass. They were extremely pass heavy early on. There were huge tracks of land like watching a Chiefs game, and it wasn't just because it was a Giants defense.

It's because the play caller and because you've got a lot of weapons. Randall Cobb looks reborn, throwing people around, running well after the catch. Michael Gallup is in line for a breakout year. They love Blake Jarwin. Troy Aikman was saying that they think he might be the most athletic guy on their offense. They have a lot of weapons on this team, and I even think a guy like Devin Smith on their bench is being underutilized. It informs why there was less panic around Ezekiel Elliott's situation because it's distinctly a different approach, obviously. And I look at Dak Prescott.

three full years at quarterback, has never missed a game, 23, 22, and 22 touchdowns over three seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he hits 40. Wow. So we got the Cowboys as Wes's Super Bowl pick, which he's loving right now. We got the Raiders back. I like it when the big kind of NFL monolith.

Well, the Patriots were not part of that classic age, so maybe they need to, you know, like a big gigantic piece of granite needs to come out of the sky and land on Foxborough Township. And old and new. Dallas average 21.4 points per game. They could jump a full seven points there, can't they, Wes? I think if you are, it limits your offense when you insist on going to establish the run, establish the run, establish the run. Great website, but maybe not a great offense of philosophy in 2019.

And when you had the Cowboys defense, I can see the temptation to do it. But when you've got a mind like Kellyn Moore, and we continue to hear Doc Prescott after he has a perfect passer rating, then the opener says he's one of these genes. is out there. And his ex-teamate. I think that really matters. Mark, James Winston flipping the switch under Bruce Ariens, buy, sell, hold after a woeful week one.

I'm selling it. And it's... Sacking. You're selling low on this one. I'm selling with... I'm selling low because I don't know who's buying it at this point. Because I get two years ago, you'd still think that something can happen and there can be a switch to flip.

I don't think there's a switch on the wall and you're in the dark searching around for it at this point. The guy turns the ball over at anything, essentially everything but Blake Bortle's levels, and he's right there and Eli Manning too. And, you know, he has not, he has, he leads the league with Cam Newton over the past three or four seasons with three plus turnovers in a game, which absolutely sabotages you. And you have to at this point assume that he's going to do that three or four times a year, that you're going to lose, if you hope to go 10 and 6, three of those is, and you're probably going to wind up 5 and 11 instead, are because James Winston cannot control

what he's doing with the ball. And the whole idea that because Bruce Ariens was going to come in and keep the yardage and the electricity of that attack up, but rein in Winston and create smarter decisions in his mind, he goes out and throws three interceptions against the Niners, and I feel like they dropped a couple, too,

where it could have been more than three. So, you know, one game in, sell it. I'm holding. I'm holding, bro. All right, well, that's a very conservative approach. I just think it's a very, I think it's too premature to write off any quarterback. I'll hold it. I mean, I haven't come this far to sell now. It would be news if you sold, by the way.

But what you hit on, Mark, is interesting because they were a lot less explain. It was a bad, it was a terrible offensive game in general. He started the game on tilt, just missing throws. None of them looked good. Any concern, Mark, though, that you brought up, that you had a buy, sell hold of the TNF, the team playing on TNF when we're about to have the TNF pre-NF. when we're about to have the TNF preview. Oh. Yeah, it kind of pulls the plug on comments I'd make then,

but then it's also an opportunity for more, you know, to skate, just to skate and sit back a little bit. We've got plenty to talk about, Max. All right. Now, you're going to think that this was me making the same mistake in a way, doubling up. But it's not because I want to talk about it and get into it in depth, whereas we didn't really have the opportunity during the game recap. The Raiders final season in Oakland, I'm buying, man. That's different. You know, I'm buying the Raiders.

Mark made the bigger mistake. I'm buying Derek Carr. I didn't choose what was, you know, Greg's right. I'm buying John Gruden. I'm buying the dirt infield. The last time we'll ever see a dirt infield potentially. I'm buying the black hole.

The real black hole, not the Fugazi version that they're going to try to foist upon us in the desert next year. And I just think it's not a big enough story how amazing these fans are, that their team is quitting them. And they're like, and I mean this in a positive, they're like the unrequitted love,

they're like a golden retriever that they just still love their raiders and they love getting together with their friends and family and dressing up like maniacs and going insane for their team. Now, week one, Monday night football, the electricity is going to be a higher level.

We'll see how it looks if they're, you know, four and seven in a couple of months. But there's also, I would not rule out in the final season in Oakland, based on what we saw in week one, the whole city is just going to rally around this team and send them off, which is really commendable for a fan base. I kind of like Greg also, during this conversation, you're having shifting into what feels

like a Raiders-esque outfit. But you're right. And when they've been so deplorable for so long, it doesn't change the way that stadium is. That's an event that they go to every week. It's not like suddenly you're getting 8,000 people. Wes, you were smirking my entire soliloquy there. What? What?

I mean, you see the way they dressed. Have you considered they might just be fetishists? They're great fans. It's a crime. football's being stolen. They're the best fans. From Oakland. Not only all that everything you said is true, I guess I'm holding because I think they're

going to be an interesting 7-8 win type of team that stays in the mega. I don't know what I'm buying here. The fans, I'm buying all the way. Let me. I'm buying the fans. Let me die a big year where there's some nice moments. I think there's a potential for the Raiders being a really tough team in their building, which most people would not have expected this year.

And I think they could hang around. All right. I love it. I don't think they can play with that. energy all year, but they earned a hold for me in that game. That was a very impressive performance. From West, that's saying something. Yes, I would, I would have said 99% chance for a sell before that game was... There's a sliding door scenario where they lost that game 49 to nothing. And I know they have the great history, but they've been worse than, they've been as bad as the

Browns or any franchise in the NFL the last two decades. That's the reality. And the fans have still stuck with it. And now you add a move to it, which was the ace up the sleeve for Browns fans to point to. And I see all you mean girls on Twitter. and the different snarky blogs all around that just killed John Gruden forever, forever and ever. And I don't see any blogs throwing the guy some credit for having a hyper-prepared focused team whip up in week one without their best player who'd try to ruin the season. Let's give Gruden a little bit of credit for what they were able to do in week one. That's not how blogs operate, but I hear you.

All right, Greg. Got to be hating. Zach Taylor dragging Andy out of the Dalton scale buy sell hold I've got to buy it I'm feeling the week one fever where we overreact that after all these years Andy Dalton's going to be I got the Raiders going to the Super Bowl so yeah I don't care I'm at least into I've been into Zach Taylor all off season we're trying to raise this guy's cue rating no one knows what he looks like let's hear it nobody knows what a cue rating is let's hear it for skinny five nine guys being head coaches in the NFL. He's taller than that, isn't he? I don't know. Maybe he is. He looks like it when he's next to all the players. They were not the Rams offense, by the way. Wasn't all the three wide receivers. There's tight-end screens. There's a lot of things going on. There's vertical passes there by Andy Dalton. Man, he just looks so comfortable and decisive for that one game. And I know maybe they had a schematic advantage of Seattle and never seen them before, that I'm at least hope if he can make John Ross a thing, I'm just hoping he can make Andy Dalton the thing. I'm with you. I'm buying because I, you know, watch that from end to end on Sunday, and they changed my feeling about them. But Greg, not to suggest that you were projecting here a little bit, Zach Taylor is 6-2. Wow, yes. That was shocking. I am selling. Some guys look shorter than they are.

Some things don't need to be said, Wes, but we want to hear your opinion-wise. Well, I don't think that offensive line is going to be able to hold up for much longer, and I don't think the schematic advantage that they had in week one will stay. and John Ross's game was about as fluky as a receiver's game gets. Oh, how dare you? He was open more in that game than he was in its entire career before that. Tadrick Thompson isn't going to miss time a jump every time they have a 65-yard bomb. And they're not going to get a flea-flicker wheel route every week for a long touchdown. Oh, yes, they will.

His speed, though, is game-breaking speed, and he was open a lot. He dropped two passes, which is, you know, the John Ross thing. He had the same game-breaking speed the last two years, too. I'm sorry. He had more production. Green and that offense didn't fall apart. It was impressive. I'm just saying I'm selling them as that's going to be repeatable.

All right. Wes, Sammy Watkins' long-awaited breakout year by sell, hold after a monster week one. I'm buying. That was as quick as he's looked in traffic and explosive after the catch as I've ever seen him since coming out of Clemson when he was hyped as, you know, the next great wide receiver. I think that probably for the past year and a half, he's. had the most unfair advantage of any wide receiver in the NFL playing with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, and Patrick Mahomes. And he admitted that after the game that, look, I was open for those two long plays because of Tyreek Hill. And then after Hill's injury,

he was the chain-moving number one receiver who was still getting open and making plays after that. I think he's a transformed guy. He talked about finding balance in his life. They're traveling all over the world this offseason. He seems like a guy who came to camp ready for a huge year, and I think he's going to have it. I mean, spent his year catching footballs from, you know, Gibronies in Buffalo to start his career, and at this point, I'll buy anything in Kansas City's offense. You could throw almost any scenario at me, I'll buy it.

I'm selling. I mean, he's been on two of the best. Total Greg. Well, here's the thing. He's been on two of the best offenses in football the last two years, and he didn't gain more than 600 yards in either season. So I've just seen him have these monster games here and there throughout his career. I want to see it more.

has 200 already Uh whose turn my turn sure you could skip me if you want No it's your turn That's what I thought

Mark Adam Gase's quote unquote Electric as Sam Donald put it a couple weeks ago Jets offense Buy sell hold I'm certainly not selling because they played a defense

last week that I think will go down once again is one of the best in the league and it's a week one and I you know Darnold is maybe someone that could have used, not that you want to do this and throw them into the fire, a couple more quarters in the preseason to get a little more on track. I think Gase, and I could be completely wrong about this, is maybe one of these guys that keeps getting chances,

sort of the way Belichick did over and over by people, because someone somewhere believes in him. He's almost like one of these old painters that was a mad genius that had a patron, some sort of rich patron. that would back them and basically give them, you know, there was a Flemish painter, Peter Paul Rubens, who had the Duke of Mantua that just paid him to do paintings forever. And we never would know he was that this one guy didn't believe. And I think that maybe the Jets, you know, the Johnson family saw something in Gays that others don't,

and maybe it goes totally south. But I'm not out on Gase. I'm still buying on Gase. I'm totally buying on Darnold because the guy is like 23 years old. I mean, there are other people. people coming into the league at 24 and not starting until 25 or 26 and we've seen too much from Darnold to like at this point. I'm going to give Donald some tough love here. I was going to talk about it on Thursday, but might as well do it here. There were two times in his career

so far where he really had a chance to play some hero ball. The first one was, you mentioned that Brown's game in week three last year where they got the ball back and the sky was falling, but it was too soon. He was a baby. Jeremy Bates was his offense coordinator. Todd Bowles is prominently involved. You gave him a mulligan on that and they weren't able to move the ball down field. They got the ball back down 17, 16, with three minutes to play in their building. And they had no kicker. And they went and got fight in, by the way, today to replace Karie Vedvik. So we'll see how that goes. But they had no kicker. So they were in a tough spot. But what I really wanted to see in that moment was some growth from Darnold. And for him to lead the jets down the field and

maybe steal that game back. The fact that he went two for seven and they turned it over essentially on downs at the end of the game was disappointing to me. And that annoys me. And it wasn't just him. This team does need more time to gel.

The offensive line did not play well, could not handle the bills blitz. And Gase was killing the wide receivers this week in the media. Robbie Anderson was getting some strays, not directly, but not running the right routes, not playing at his best. but I just need, I'm in hold territory,

a drop down from a hard buy to a hold just because I was so disappointed by the way that offense tanked when they had a chance to put that game way or take it at the end. That's right. Well, I'm surprised that you're in that place with them after that game.

I mean, it's, darn old. How could I not be? That was dreadful. I just didn't think it would change at all. I thought you'd give them another week because to me, like that final drive was a mess and it kind of reminded me of the way I felt about Trubisky after the opener last year

against the Packers where he couldn't seal the deal. Well, that's the concern. It is. I don't want a ceiling of Mitch Trubisky. I have a little... Not that you're going to read this, Dan, but there's a little Browns-Jet's Mayfield-Darnold summary

in this week's on my... I'm only not reading it because I need to move on from everything connected to the one. Well, it's quite positive of Darnold, actually. Oh, okay. Well, then I'll read it. I'm not... The game was disenchanting.

But, like, I could see also you being totally on fire a week from now, literally a week from now after they beat the Browns on Monday night football and you'll be completely back in and acting like it's... But I'm a fan. I'm holding on the offense, but I'm selling on the Adam Gase press conference experience lasting long term in New York. We talked about this the second he was hiring, that his, the way he is behind the microphone and how frustrated he gets, I don't know.

It's just going to burn a lot of everything in New York, energy. And I don't necessarily think he's slamming all of his players, but he's a lot more critical and just being honest about all of their mistakes without necessarily putting it all on himself. And the media eats that up, and at least some of the players are going to eventually not like that. And it's just a cauldron of a lot that he needs to have some success early. But I do think their offense will be fine.

Those tabloids have already caught fire with Gase. Greg has tears of happiness As he's making this isn't true I've been saying I like this cauldron of doom It's swirling you love it I've said more sorrow I have been fascinated by his press conferences For a long time

You're masking your true feelings And rooting interests as analysis And I see it all Well is Greg the only one Is Greg the only one guilty of that Certainly not All right I'll throw out one more

I am selling on the Jaguars Mattering in the AFC I just I hate what happened Yes Gardner Mishu It doesn't matter You mispronouncing on purpose Everybody else can think that he's going to save the day But you know

Wes history is instructive When you turn to a sixth round quarterback If it's not Tom Brady as a rookie Give me the list of guys that have stepped in And turned into real starters on a week by week basis And I'm not selling entirely on the Jaguarial defense, but I was just like so grossed out by their performance against the chiefs. The chiefs of the best offense in football, yes, but have a backbone in your building in week

one. I was just annoyed. I'm annoyed at their defense for playing so poorly in that spot. And now what you're asking the Jaguars to do to be relevant in 2019 and and bridge the gap and get back to Nick Falls potentially in decent shape around 500, let's say. The Jaguars have to be the Jaguars of old. And they didn't look anything close to it in week one. so I'm just going to say put the bad quarterback situation with a defense that might be overrated and this has got six and ten written all over it. I thought someone that who had bet full meals on the performance of Chad Kelly would have a softer approach towards quarterbacks coming in from nowhere to perform.

Kelly's different. I mean, that's swag. I would put a sandwich on Josh Dobbs making at least one start before Fools comes back. I wouldn't take you on it because I agree. And I think that Minshu was impressive in relief, but it's a lot different than being... Hotchoo. In relief is a lot different than a defense preparing for you to start a game,

and it's not always going to be against a Chief's defense that had no pass right. I am entirely in. All right. All right. Here we go. Sandwich. Good talk, guys. Go get my lunch.org, Nick Fortier.

Let's now do a quick... Two-minute drill. That's the name of like a podcast segment that no one's come up with yet. So we'll call it the two-minute drill. Bucks, Panthers, Thursday night football. Yikes. September 12th, 5.20 p.m. Pacific, 8 p.m. 8. 820 Eastern. Figure it out if you're in England

and the surrounding territories not owned by England, especially not Ireland. You've got access to the end. It's not that tough. Anyway, here we go. James Winston coming off that three. I'm starting the clock, Ricky. James Winston coming off that three interception debut now heads to Charlotte to face the Panthers. There's two oh-and-one teams, Greg Rosenthal.

Someone's going to come out of this in a really bad way. You feel good about the Panthers? That's my prediction. Yeah, I do. I do think the Bucks at least have the run defense with Vita Vaya and William Goldston and Indomac and Sue up front to maybe slow dine, Christian McCaffrey. And I think that's probably job one of any team trying to stop the Panthers. Bucks play calling had no rhythm with the quarterback.

And part of that was how many penalties there were, but there was no rhythm to that passing game. Ronald Jones was perhaps the single most transformed player I saw in week one. Last year he was running in the La Brea Tar Pits as I texted Mark. This year he's running through cornfields. You cannot arm tackle this guy, and Peyton Barber will be out of a job very soon. Ronald Jones looked fantastic in week one. If I'm Todd Bowles, I would treat this game the way that Belichick treated that first Super Bowl with the Rams way back in 2001. I would just do everything in my power to remove Christian McCaffrey from the game plan

and just hang on tight and wait for Cam Newton to make mistakes. He is the type of talent McCaffrey, though, where you can't really take – he's like Alvin Kamara in the sense. You can't take us out of the game plan because if you bone up to get on the run, they're going to get him in the past game. He's just such a talent. Right, but I'm comparing him to Marshall Falk, who I think people would have said the same similar things about.

Sure. The bucks, though, they might have the worst pass rush on paper. of any team in the NFL. Their top two passers are Carl Nassab and Shaq Barrett. They had no pressure on San Francisco. They also gave up fewer yards in that game than any Bucks game all of last season except for one. So Todd Bowles, who's used to not having many pass rushers,

you know, had a pretty good week one. And I'm curious what this Panthers' offense is going to look like still. Desert likes the Panthers a lot by 6 plus one. Can anybody else picking the bags? Anybody have the bucks? No. I don't, but the Panthers' offensive line. That's it.

No, that's two minutes. That's the two-minute drill. Put a trademark on that. All right, that's it for today's show. We'll be back on late Thursday. We'll have a recap of this game, and then we'll start digging into week two and preview every game to come.

We're in it now. Let's fly. Oh, actually, before, wait, cut that a second. Program note, I believe Thursday, this Thursday is our first. We stream the Sunday night flagship, recap of all the games, which did really well. Good numbers, I was told,

by the shadowy league figures. So thank you to everybody that check that out. We're going to be doing the same thing starting week two for the Thursday show. So you can, of course, you'll get the audio podcast, as you do always, but you'll also now have the option to watch that

live as we record it. We better not better enough that one up. If we get really lucky, maybe Greg repeats the outfit here and goes hoodie, hood up during the show. I mean, this is, I'm enjoying the hood and I mean, that's a... We're not on camera today, so it's a beautiful thing. Well, we could be on camera at any moment.

Isn't that true? You're always on camera. Ricky, can you get him on camera? Yeah, of course. If we break... Let's blow this out and get a nice 10-minute segment out quickly on social media. Oh, wait. We just fell into the spider web.

This is what Greg was looking for. He was looking for a nice viral clip of him with the hood. He's got it. Go dark. Go dark. No one will ever see this. Don't care. Reverse gears.

All right, here we go. All right. Dan Hans is signing off for for Quiet Storm, the Mailman. the mailman. The old boss at Ricky Hollywood behind the glass Rick.

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