NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - MNF recap & teams in most trouble

Episode Date: September 22, 2015

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler– break down the latest NFL news, including the Monday Night Football game between the Jets and Colts. Then, the heroes share their 0-2 team in the most trouble before wrapping the show previewing the Thursday Night Football game between the Redskins and Giants.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Roosevelt. What's up, boys? Hey, man. Really stretched out that Greg right there. I like it. Listen, I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good mood right now.

Why? Well, Monday Night Football is a great watch. It's always good to give the boss props and stretch out his name on audio when any chance you get. Yeah, it was an electric 10-0-0 game with 10 minutes left or whatever. Full of excitement Monday night.

Wait, do I have to call out that you didn't really watch a game? No, I'm just kidding. So if you're going to go after the game, Jets played a marvelous defensive game and scored enough points to win and we'll get into all that. The undefeated New York Jets

a little bit later. But we have a great show ahead of us. Chris Wessling, how are you doing, buddy? Couldn't be better. Today in your rich blue NFL network polo show. Like a royal blue. It is. Definitely royal, Mark.

You are wearing a gray polo shirt. Well, it's, you know, we have to do some TV stuff later. I just basically wear, pull something off the stack, just off a clump of clothing at home and wear that. And then I change into the real shirt later. Really? Doesn't that just seem like more work? Why not just put on the fur shirt than it saves you trouble? That's just how I do it, Greg.

I like to make things more complicated than they need to be. Everybody has their own methods. Are you, like Dan, taking advantage. of the ironing service over at makeup? No, I do my own... You guys have lost all touch with reality. We all have. You mean you guys?

I never got my shirt ironed by any one. You make fun of me for the haircuts. You're getting... Well, you deserve... Well, that was still, Greg. The fact that you went behind everyone's back. I mean, that's almost as low as killing the hero picks. I would be happy to get as many haircuts as I can,

and that will continue if I can. All right. So, yes, this is the Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We have a lot coming up. The Monday night football recap, as I said. We are going to hit some news. A lot of stuff going on. A lot of QB injury news to hit amongst other stuff.

And also we have a Thursday night football preview. See, this is what this is about. The wheel keeps turning. The wheel keeps turning. Monday becomes Thursday. Thursday becomes Sunday. Sunday becomes Monday. Monday becomes Tuesday.

Tuesday becomes Thursday. You get what I'm saying. Thursday night preview. Redskins, Giants, and NFC East. tilt there's a rhythmic nature to the season there is it's episodical this whole week like each day coming after another that's been going on for a while many many years came up with this calendar for decades in fact uh time has worked dan is pointing though to what is another what 21 monster weeks of this to deal with and then on to the off season and on to june in our

vacation is your annual november burnout happening earlier i don't feel burnt out but i mean let's be honest, week two, I mean, we're barely into it. We've got months and months and months and many more months to go. A little quiet at your desk today, Mark, some speculation that might be a September burnout this year. I am simply at my desk doing work. Which in our office, in our newsroom, that's an absolute aberration. It couldn't top the August burnout he had, though, already. So I don't know. The September seems better. He's a little overdue for a burnout. It's been over three weeks since his last burnout. Yes.

And then finally we will get into a little discussion, which O&2 team is in the most trouble. And there are many O&2 teams. Greg, how many O&2 teams? Nine. Nine. And the reason Greg knows that because he has a piece up on NFL.com, on our around the NFL page,

where he breaks down which teams he believes to be in the most trouble. So we will share our opinions. Greg will attempt to trump them with his opinion because Greg is, you know, He's naturally argumentative. Well, that's how he got to be the boss by trumping other people's opinions. A bit of a contrarian, Greg. I don't think that's true.

People have told you that before, right? I'm just, you know, I was raised in a non-practicing Jewish household where argument was encouraged, naturally. If you practice your Judaism, do you not argue? No, well, that's where the cultural Judaism comes in, just being a jerk, you know, and arguing all the time. I grew up in a Catholic household, and there was plenty of arguing, too. I don't know if it's a cultural, religious thing. I think mine came from having six brothers and a stubborn mother. That will do it, too.

I live in a relatively peaceful household. That's why I can't stand the three of you have it. Very good. It's all coming to the surface. So why don't we get into it? We will start with Monday night football, a big matchup at Lucas Oil Stadium. Ooh, jaunty. there it is it's back up me in the mood

oh yeah where the New York Jets used stifling defense enforced five turnovers including three Andrew Luck interceptions on their way to a convincing 27 win over the Colts in Indy dropping the Colts to 0 and 2 for the second straight year

the Jets improved to 2 and 0 one of the big early surprises of the season and Wes, you covered the game for NFL.com. I was at home with a couple of greyhounds enjoying myself. Don't get to watch the Jets when I'm not on the clock too often. So I had a great night. You were at the office. What did you take away from this game?

Let's start with the Jets because I know that everyone is going to naturally skew towards the Colts because of everything, all the hype around them. Your thoughts about what you saw from the Jets in week two? Well, the defense was opportunistic. And, you know, some of that fumble luck, I believe they've gotten seven fumbles so far and lost zero. That's going to even out over the course of the season. You have to give Todd Bulls some credit for dialing up opportunistic blitzes. I mean, he's been, he did that last year very well with the Cardinals, and that's carried over this year.

So they had 13 takeaways last year, the fewest in the NFL. This year they already have 10. 28 over two years and the last two years under Rex. And Rex is supposed to be this swarming defense guru. who generates turnovers, but that hadn't happened. But you have to give Dorel Rivas credit, who had a great game. He had three takeaways himself and basically took T.Y. Hilton out of the game. By the way, they ended last week's game against Cleveland with turnovers.

Yeah. And it's a damning statement to Rex Ryan. I realized he did not have Rex Ryan on his team last year. Obviously, it was in, you know, they didn't have the same numbers. Derel Rivas, sorry. But, like, Todd Bulls is running a completely different time. You did find a way to turn this around on Rex. I think a lot of this has to do with the personnel because this is a totally different team.

I think Bowles absolutely deserves credit for running a much cleaner defense. I think Bowles obviously doing a great job. Great job with the blitzing against. They didn't have one sack on luck, but that didn't mean that they didn't make. They hit him 11 times. Yeah, they didn't make luck. They made his life miserable. And what's happening here and what I'm loving, what I'm seeing so far from this defense under Bowles is

they're finding ways to get in the backfield, get to the quarterback. And then now the big difference, which, changes everything and explains to me why Rex struggled to get turnovers is they have a good secondary. So when the pressure comes, there's nobody open. So when they, even a guy at Ghandu Luck is getting flummicks, throwing the ball up for grabs, and that leads to interception. So Revis, I was vintage Revis last night, even beyond, you know, Buster Screen had a good game. Buster Screen, who the Jets overpaid, I thought, to get him from the Browns, but he's in a perfect role right now. And he set up the first interception with a perfect slot blitz, and he broke up a pass

and played very well. Even Cromarty, who didn't look like himself, I didn't think, but just having me on the field, this defense, Greg, is a lot different. Well, you're getting quarterback hits, like West said, from all levels of the defense. They still don't really have guys that you think of as a one-on-one.

That's your pass. They don't have an edge rusher on the roster. But they haven't for years. But they're blitzing to Mario Davis. That's nothing. I didn't see Rex Ryan doing that last year, and he was effective last night. Muhammad Wilkerson had a good night,

and they took advantage of what's a lousy offensive line. I mean, that's what you got to. to do. They forced luck into bad decisions. They did it against the Colts line and people say oh, well, the Indies line is nothing. They dominated Cleveland's line a week ago and I think that that line is pretty strong. And then on the offensive

side of the ball, I'll say that Brandon Marshall, first of all, is a major factor. He went over 100 yards with a touchdown and drew four penalties. He was beating up Bonte Davis before Davis went out. Bonte Davis's worst game in two years. He got beaten by Decker for the touchdown. The first

touchdown he's given up since week 13 of 2013. And like you said, Marshall won that battle too. So Davis left at half time, but they put him to work. Well, they need him to come back, too. They do not want to go to 0-1-3. And that you got tested for a concussion. If they're missing him in Tennessee on Sunday, that's a tricky game. The biggest play of the game, the biggest moment of the game, the Jets played a very conservative, I thought, in the second and third quarter after getting out to a 10-0 lead before the half. They kind of sat on the ball. And then, of course, it's going to eventually happen after three quarters, Andrew Luck finally gets him in the end zone.

It's 10-7, and I give Chan Galie credit. I give him a C-plus game overall for the game he called, but he realized, you know what, they're missing three corners. If we kick a field goal or pun here, we're going to lose 14-13 or 14-10. Let's go for it. They throw five straight passes, two more runs than a touchdown pass to Marshall, where Marshall bowls over two guys, drags them four yards into the end zone. Game over, essentially, at that point, 17-7.

And just, oh, just a great game for the Jets. I'm so excited right now. It was very Jetsy, though, that they didn't try to score, really, until the Colts scored. It was like, okay, now let's try to score again. Let's stop running every first and second down. They were not running the ball very well. The Colts defense has some good things about it. Henry Anderson.

The Colts defense actually has shown little signs of promise the last couple weeks in between some ugly play by the office. They still don't have, you got, your edge rushers are 32, 33. 34 years old, Robert Mathis and Trent Cool, and they're not getting to the quarterback. That's a problem. But Henry Anderson and Nick Perry, the two Stanford guys that they drafted in a third and fifth round, Henry Anderson is blowing up running game. I mean, the judge should have been way more ahead than 10-0.

Fitzpatrick had a million chances. Does anyone sweat more than Robert Mathis? Did you see his head? It's just like gallons of sweat coming down. His game had a year. First game in like 617 days, I think it was. Robert Mathis didn't do anything. The turning point for me was, yes, the Jets touchdown sealed it.

but the gore fumble, because I texted Wes before that happened, I said, the cults are going to win this game. I just had a feeling that the Jets, because they weren't putting their foot on the gas, they were giving the cults too much of an opportunity to come back. That fumble, which was so uncharacteristic. Untouched. Unbelievable, but that's what's happened to the Jets.

That was a blooper moment. It's not luck, but they had gotten their ball hand on. That was lucky. That was lucky. He was going to score on that play. I'm not chucking up the two in those starts with luck, though. That's all. And, you know, there was a shot at the end of the game.

game. Now the Jets are 2-0, tied with the Patriots at the top of the AFC East. You saw Gino Smith in wearing a visor pulled down. He's an odd bird, this Gino Smith. Visor pulled below his hairline, covering up his eyes, like very somber. It looked like he's about 150 pounds soaking wet. And the first thing that came to my mind. Oh, poorly, won't see him no more. I'm going to see no Geno no more.

Oh, that's true. I got news for your making the lead candidate. He's not going to play. Frank Fitzpatrick was not spectacular in this game, but again, a song game. Because Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown. There's no way he could hit a cold patch. I mean, even last night, he was just throwing balls up for air. Secondly, you could get hurt.

You never know. I bet they're going to need Gino at some point this year. But, yeah, it's not a good sign when immediately after the game, you have people like Chris Rock tweet now, Jets, you know, 2015 MVP, IKN, Impale, and just has, you know, the Jets, 2015 MVP, IKM. That's my Chris Wray. That was, that wasn't good.

All right, I'll give you a caveat. If Eric Decker's PCS springing isn't serious. of Wes. That's fair. If Decker's PCL spring isn't serious and if the Brandon Marshall honeymoon lasts all year, I don't think Fitzpatrick's going to lose the job

ever. Put your pastrami where your mouth is, Greg. I'd say there's no way Gina Smith gets this job back for performance reasons by Ryan Fitzpatty. I'm with Dan on this. That's a tough one. I mean, it's not to start 60 games one way or another. I don't want to, I'm not

into putting in on that. You are a real daughter now. I thought you were always into the challenge on the sandwich. What I said before was whether it's performance or injury one way or another, I think you're going to need Jim Smith this. You've changed Greg. Yeah, Greg has hit some sort of life pivot. Okay.

If you dropped out of picks, you don't want to do sandwiches anymore. I'm a happy man. I think it's, you know, you're only concerned. He's telling us his daughter's preschools a little costly. There's been a, I'm not going to say major, but there's been a noticeable dip in charisma. Wow. Between quitting picks and now not taking sandwich wagers, you know, it's starting to add up a little bit. I mean, Greg, was it worth dropping out of the picks to do what you're going to have to do?

We'll just deal with 17 plus weeks of Dan coming at you on every episode. And outside of the show, probably 15 times a day and at night on Texas. I am such a d'I. I'm sorry, but I can't help it. I care more about you guys. But no, it doesn't bother me at all. One more thing before we move on to the Colts. Before I move on to the Colts, I just want to say,

Is it still crazy you think the Jets are the number 10 team in the NFL? I don't think so. No, it's not crazy, especially with some of the things that don't look the way we thought they would. All right, let's move on to the Colts. I get nothing else. They're a sloppy, dysfunctional, chaotic mess, and I wonder how much of that starts with the infighting between the general manager and the coach. We saw that infighting take down three teams last year.

Most notoriously, the 49ers, but this team is so undisciplined on offense. every unit on the offense was horrible and every time they do something good the offensive line gets a penalty called on him this happened in week one it happened in week two they can't get any momentum going they can't pick up blitzes Andrew Luck is not playing well I don't think the ball's coming out of his hand as emphatically as it did and I don't think he's making good decisions in the pocket like he has in the past Frank Gore big fumble Andre Johnson looks old Gore looked good when he wasn't fumbling he had you should have gotten the the ball more, I thought. He had two 10 or 11

yard gains called back on penalties. He looked really good. I don't know what else to say positive about this. They were, PEPP Hamilton should have adjusted and done what the Patriots did against the bills and spread him out, played hurry up, he didn't do that. Even Adam Infinitiary's missing field. He's a 29-yard field. I get the feeling

he's got white hair too. He does. It's full on now. I'm bringing real analysis. I get the feeling that Andrew Luck will dodge a lot of heavy criticism this week and I think it will be more seen as a systemic issue with the Colts, but you're lucky, if he is as good as we all say he is, and I'm not saying he's not awesome, but if he is as good as we say is a top three quarterback, he should be, the team

should be playing better than they are right now. He's not playing with it. I don't think he's there yet. I don't think he was quite there last season. Four out of the six of us picked him to win the MVP this year, but I don't think he's ever put together five, six straight games and consistent quarter to quarter at that top level that we've seen out of a Brady or Rogers when they're really cooking. He hasn't done that. He still has moments where he looks like a young quarterback. I think you're absolutely right. And Pagano

made a very clear point to put it on him that this isn't, he called it, he says, this isn't trigonometry, you know, that you can't turn the ball over this much. He needs to get better. And then he also said he should be used to it by now when they asked about his lousy offensive line, which I don't even think was an indirect shot at Ryan Grigsden. It was just a direct shot. It's a direct shot at Up's not fair. Get used to a bad offensive line. How about upstairs start to fix this? How about the shot upstairs of Ryan Grigson?

When he caught himself on camera. He was clearly like complaining probably about Chas Pagano, let's face it. And then someone's like, hey, Ryan, you're on camera. He's like, steadied himself, like adjusted his hair. Go ahead. Yeah, but Albert Breer tweeted this morning that people around the league that they feel bad for Pagano, which was a way of saying that the issue is Grigson. Well, we don't know what it is.

We don't know what it is. The issue is both of them. I don't know why it has to be one or the other. Pagano's team is playing with no discipline whatsoever. I watch Luck, and it's like when you see a really great actor in a really crappy movie, and you just can't save it. All right, I got a feeling the cults are going to come up a little later in the show when we get into our O&2 Teams discussion,

so hold all your hot takes. Scorches. Greg, I know you got one coming up. I've got nothing. You got nothing. All right. I don't believe it. Hey, Brandon McGinnis, behind the glass.

It's Irish Tuesday. Yes, sir, with Brandon McGuinness. How are you doing, buddy? You know what? I'm not going to lie to you. I'm pretty upset that Romo got hurt. You are, you're hurting? Yeah, I'm pretty upset. I thought you were a Patriots fan.

No, I mean, I'm feeling like I'm going to owe three people sandwiches. Oh. Yeah. So I don't think I had it. What was the proposition? We don't remember any of these anymore. Well, luckily that guy made the Go Get My Lunch.org. And he reminded me that I had Romo having more passing yards and Eli.

Oh, yeah. That's over. And Eli, I never missed. is games. Exactly. So I'm hurting now, but who knows? You're praying for an asteroid to land in East Carolina. Well, here's what you're praying for that we don't track down wherever you're living by January. Yeah. Unfortunately, your time with us is coming up soon. You'll be halfway to Tijuana. Next Thursday, I'm gone. And then going to Tijuana. We don't like hearing that, by the way, Brendan, but we know or we hope you'll be back. Let's do some news.

Click that for your Emmy reel. What? great friend of the show, Lindsey Rhodes, of course. All right, let's start with some quarterback injury news. And we got to start with Drew Brees, who didn't quite look himself in week two as the Saints lost a disappointing game to the Bucks. And now we have some reasons why.

Rap sheet reported that the Saints believe Breeze has an injury to his rotator cuff, an injury that's causing him weakness, pain, and discomfort that will likely cause him to miss games, according to sources with knowledge of the injury. He could miss several games, Rappaport reports, with more testing. to come this week.

Greg, Drew Brees, of course, before he came to New Orleans, suffered a shoulder injury, right shoulder injury that kind of led to him ending up with the Saints. Do you see this? And you said it yesterday that this could be the beginning of the end for Drew Brees, potentially, depending on the severity. Yeah, there's conflicting reports out there, first of all, how long he's going to be out or whether he has a chance to play this week.

So we'll see. But a shoulder injury, even if he is on the first. field like we're going to have to evaluate whether that changes what kind of player he is this year who knows about the future if he doesn't need surgery that's obviously a very positive sign but my immediate thought when i heard this was are they going to have the same situation that the colts had with andrew luck where the season that their franchise quarterback gets hurt they end up drafting number one or number two because i think without drew breeze this is the worst team in the NFL they're right there that's interesting in the new orleans you know we've

there's posts written as of two seasons ago where you don't hear this in new england where in new england they're not like sitting around thinking about post tom brady but the saints for a long time have been thinking about post true breeze before this injury based on what he's been on the field he's not been the same guy last season as he was in years past and i and i just think if the saints have a really poor season regardless of whether breeze is on the field or not that there's going to be questions about sean peyton's future whether it's sean peyton wanting to get out whether it's the team just wanting to get a fresh start. It's really early in the season.

But this team looked really poor overall, not just Drew Brees. And they're going to Carolina this week. If they lose at the game, they are three games back in the division already. That's a pretty big hole for a team that doesn't have a defense. Doesn't it feel it's been a great run with Breeze and Peyton? And who knows? Maybe he recovers from this and they end up going to the playoffs and have a nice season, you never know. But are we edging towards a territory where it feels like.

the Saints need to hit the reboot button and start over. I think it does, and it's kind of dispiriting to see two years in a row this malaise hanging over the team, a team that we thought was more talented, and you see in week one, Rob Ryan and Sean Payton bickering on the sidelines. I mean, what's really going on here? It seems like there's more to the story. Right, and it seems like a schizophrenic team, a very emotional team, that reminds me of the image of Sean Payton just absolutely chewing.

Now, Stanley John Baptiste in the fourth preseason game, who was their second round pick from a year ago, and then they cut him after that game. And I'm just kind of thinking, like, it just seems like a weird organization where the head coach is just absolutely crushing the team. The pick he took a year ago in the second round, and then they cut him after the game. And it's like, you're the guy who took him. It's your fault that you took him. Like, I know you're mad at him, but it's like, it's a lot of decisions like that where they're mad at Junior Gillette, but they're the ones that gave him the money. They're not happy with Jimmy Graham.

Well, they're the ones that gave him the money. Starting to think Sean Peyton might not be a nice guy. It's possible. I wonder if there would ever be if two teams melted down. Dallas doesn't have a quarterback right now and Saints don't have a quarterback potentially, that you have a coach flip where Garrett takes over the Saints next year and Peyton goes where he's always wanted to go to Cowboys.

Lives in Dallas. Jerry Jones loves Jason Garrett too, though. Does, but you talk about a team that might need a chance. change of pace at some point. That could be two of them. I can't believe you didn't bring up the big the other big story here that Luke McCown America's darling. Just about to say it. An actual quote in my favorite

new commercial of the NFL season, Luke McCown pimping Verizon products. Here's the quote. I bet if they just had the chance some of those backups would really shine. How do you think that... We might say it. How do you think that meeting went on the third floor of Verizon headquarters when they decided

to get Luke McCown to pitch their commercial? Well, we're talking about it. I've heard a lot of people talking about it. It's working. But also bad idea for a commercial in the sense that so many backup quarterbacks wind up playing that at some point, no matter which backup you pick, disaster's going to strike. You think that affects the commercial itself? They should have picked someone so deep in the distance that they have no chance to get on the bill.

It kind of gets everyone even. It makes no sense anymore. You got to pull the ad. He's not a backup. You say pull the plug of the entire million dollar campaign. I say find a backup that's a third string guy that's going to, you know, So much we have to happen. Way back. Way back. More account is one bad snap.

Yeah, but they might, not everyone has the comic timing of a Luke McKin. I did not realize that he was such an asset. Or the looks. Or if you're Verizon, you got a lot of cash in your pocket. You go straight to Peyton and Mickey Loomis. You say, hey, we're going to give you a million dollars. You play Garrett Grayson. Keep McCown as the backup.

You'll get the number one pick next year. Everyone's happy. Well, they got to double down with Garrett Grayson. That's what you do. West, final word on topic. What was that? Who's more buried than RG3? That could have been your commercial store.

I'll talk to Subway about how that worked out. No more RG3. All right. Other injury news, this involving Tony Romo, who we know, of course, fractured his clavicle in the second half of the Cowboys' 2010 win over the Eagles on Sunday. The team confirmed Tuesday that Romo was placed on IR Boomerang, which to those that are uninitiated, that is the injured reserve slash designated to return list. It ensures he'll miss at least the next eight weeks. he's eligible to return to action in time for the team's week 11 matchup against the Dolphins. But that is not a guarantee, but that is the first time he possibly can play.

Mark? Well, I have a side, Kevin. Go ahead. Well, I want to say that nothing greater has happened in my own career, the fact that Wes and I, I think, one morning, just casually cooked up IRB boomerang as a term, and it's sitting at the top of NFL.com stack. We're proud. And it's still completely not caught on with the rest of the football.

community on any line. We don't even got on with the rest of the news desk. It was taking some heat from some unnamed shadowy league. Doesn't surprise me. Here's the thing. It's a very fine line and I'll use somewhat of an esoteric example. But Deadspin, it bothers me that Deadspin has been pushing Balgazi all throughout the

deflategate scandal and they're like jamming it down everyone's throats and it never took but they keep using it. It might be, we might be in a similar situation now. Well, we're not shoving. We're not. We're not. We're not. We're not I'm trying to be fancy and timely with some kind of newsy name. It also makes sense. This functions like a boomerang, and it's a callback.

No, it's brilliant. I love it. It's a callback to a cultural thing from our friends in Australia that should be getting more attention. Well, now you're stretching more. Well said. Oh, yeah, by the way, Tony Romo's out eight weeks. Yeah, Tony Romo. I don't know that now.

But here's the one thing I also want to mention about this situation. We don't have to spend too much time on this. But here's the good news for Cowboys fans. Jerry Jones told the Dallas radio station that Brandon, Whedon, here's the quote, frankly, frankly, you won't see a more gifted passer. Power, accuracy, the entire aspect of it. This is, you know, Mark, as you know, Brandon Whedon, despite going 7 of 7 on Sunday without warming up on the sideline, is a guy that is a pass rating of about 73 and a 6 and 15

as a starter. No, outside of Blake Borders, no quarterback has a lower QBR in his career over the last four years. I mean, it's been an absolute disaster. He called him a thing of beauty. And I think that's just classic Jerry Jones trying to give up. My one thing with Brandon Whedon, I think we've gone over it a thousand times what the issues are with his play. He does not strike me as a quarterback with any amount of confidence.

And he has had nothing in his career happen to build that confidence. You see him on the bench. Last week. Right. He's just sitting there. And the look on his face is one of absolute terror, that he's absolutely an element. You know when this all started. He was a confident man when he was a high school star.

He was confident in college. He was confident when he was a baseball star. He was confident when he got drafted in the first round in the NFL, and then what happened, Mark? Well, opening game. All the soldiers are out, all the trumpets. And Brandon Whedon doesn't realize to get off the field and he gets caught under a gigantic,

flat-sized American flag for hours. Literally a giant red flag. That's the first thing you do as a starting quarterback. He was down there for months. Finally emerges on the wrong sideline, and nothing's improved. since. In other injury news,

Jay Cutler is out at least two weeks with a hamstring injury. This according to rap sheet, he suffered it while attempting to make a tackle during a pick six, which is funny,

but it's not funny that anyone gets hurt because you don't root for injuries. However, Cutler could be out longer, which opens the door for Jimmy Clausen. And I'll see you,

Luke McCown, making the Saints the worst NFL team and raise you Jimmy Clausen making the Bears potentially historically crappy. Jimmy Clausen started

a game for performance reasons last year. That was a bad decision too. That's fair. They're going to Seattle this week, so I guess it doesn't matter if you have Jay Cutler or not. I do think this is the worst team overall in the NFL if everyone's healthy, because I don't know what they have that they can really hang on to. They got a couple of skill position players, but that's it. I'm no college expert, but I heard there are some good quarterback prospects.

Just go on the tank bears. What do these three injured quarterbacks, what do they have become? They're all 32 years or older. Oh. Start of the season, 10 quarterbacks were 32 years or older. 40% of them have already been injured. They're also white. True.

Is that where I don't think Wes was going there primarily? Oh. I'm saying that old quarterbacks are more likely to get injured than young quarterback. Not to go back to Roma, by the way, but it is, I was just thinking it is interesting you didn't put Des Brian on there, that they put Romo on it, that they're more confident Romo is going to be out longer than Des. But isn't Romo? We have talked about Romano's four to six weeks. At this point, three to five weeks potentially. Now it is eight weeks.

Romas is more finite. Right. I mean, you're getting six to eight weeks regardless. Whereas with Des, who knows? The Irishman has another point to make about what Wes said. They're all in the NFC. All those quotes are in the NFC as well. Well, the fourth guy is Josh McCown, who's in the eighth.

Well, right. They've all never been in my kitchen. I heard what's similarity to between the three. Hey, you know this newfound love of Brain and Week to Greg has? I don't have a level of Bradway. I'm saying they can survive

with a backup quarterback. It's the new Greg. What was that quote? They can survive. They could survive. This is a quote from Greg Rosenthal last year. The Cowboys will struggle

to win any games with Whedon behind center. It's a totally different team though. That's my whole point. I would also suggest. Right. They don't have DeMargo Murray and Des Bryant. I would like to make the suggestion that we don't go back into any of our posts

from last year because we could probably fish out to them. That's a 30 game. Wes is playing. We could fish out some. I don't know. You're talking about evaluating one player, and he hasn't played a snap since you wrote that. We don't have to go back to last week and talk about the Lions as a playoff team and four Anderluck MVP picks. Gray potential game.

He hasn't played a snap since you wrote that evaluation, and now you're changing it. You look good. He looked good last year. Great potential game. Each one of us gets like a, you know, a Christmas thing where you pull someone's name out of a hat. And we go back and find the most outlandish thing that that person's written on NFL.com and you bring it to the show. There would be no shortage for any of us. All right.

Finally, bad news out of Minnesota where Ragnar, who has been the man on the sidelines, he dresses as a North, a Norse pillager. He's been there, guys, since 94. He drives around on a motorcycle, very crazy person. He's out after making a bold power play. And keep this in mind. And I'm looking at you, Mark, in upcoming contract negotiations. He took a hard line stance.

He said he wanted $20,000 per game to continue in the role as Ragnar. His name, by the way, is Joe Geron. up from 1,500 per game, that adds up to 160 grand a year, or 200 grand if he put in the preseason game. He wants it's like a 1,000% raise. And here's what the Minnesota Vikings said. Uh, no. You're fired. You're fired.

He's a Norse pillager who is riding around on a moped using American currency. It's a very confused individual. He is. What made him think that he had any kind of leverage? Like the Ravens aren't going to hire him to play RIGAR in their team? And it's easy to replace him, too, just another guy with a beard. Right. Who is advising him to go up to $20,000?

Why don't go to five? That seems like a pretty big jump. It's over 300% of an increase. Probably another Viking with no sense of money. What about, yeah. By the way. They know how to pillage, but they don't know how to save it. Pretty sure I can go to a rest stop and find any number of old men with beards and motorcycle.

And just if you want an exact number, he was asking for a 1,233% raise. You're fired. Do those people? Do you have an agent? if you're a mascot? Not anymore. A guy pulled off the street, basically. All right, that's what's happening in the news.

They should change the name of the Vikings. Maybe that's got to be my new crusade. It sounds like it. Well, what's worse than that? That are the L.A. Lakers, which are based off Minnesota, thousands of lakes. There's not a lake in L.A. You should start a website and just write Minnesota and not say the Vikings,

and then you can just say it every time where it's bad grammar. All good options. Good discussion, guys. Sorry, Ragnar. let's move on to Thursday night football let's talk about it quick talk no actually you know what let's do this first let's talk about

let's save that for last little TNF talk let's talk about we have 9-0 and 2 teams right Greg that's correct and all of them are in trouble on some level I'm sure there's a stat that tells you the percentage of teams that start 0 and 2 don't make the playoffs is probably pretty high

but we see every year teams dig themselves out 5% although there's been a bunch in the last couple of years. So let's go around the room, and I'll start with you, Mark Sessler, which, and again, read on NFL.com. Greg has a post-up where he really digs in. Vanity URL slash Teams in Trouble.

Really? Yeah. Yes. Love Vanity URLs. So check that out, NFL.com slash Teams in Trouble. Mark, who is the O&2 team that is in the biggest trouble? I'm going to go with where we've thought they were

and where they are. That's the Baltimore Ravens here. O&2. and you just played a game in Oakland. I understand you open with the Broncos. You need to come out of that one-in-one because of what's coming up next. You got the Bengals, the Steelers, and the Browns.

Three games in a row. Then you have back-to-back trips to the West Coast to play the 49ers and Cardinals. After that, you got the Chargers. That's a tough, tough schedule. And the problem for me a little bit is, yes, you move the ball well against the Raiders despite a fact that you don't really have a downfield threat

without Bashad Perriman in the mix. Steve, Steve Smith is your best player right now. Your second best target is Crockett Gilmore, a second year tight end. And your defense just gave up 400 plus yards to the Oakland Raiders who haven't put a dent in anyone in a year plus. So there are a lot of things. The Ravens are a good team that typically, if they get into a swamp, they figure it out. But this is, they haven't been 0 and 2 since 2005.

And they don't seem like a team that quite knows who they are right now. Did they make the playoffs that year? They did not. Not that it matters. They could easily be 2 and 0, but I think. easily. Oh, they lost by basically a play in both of the games. I don't like to say that I've had a team that's giving up 37 points.

I'm just saying. Fair enough. Like some two and O teams, like the Broncos. But the fire coming at you, by the way. I don't know if you noticed. I was going to say, I agree, though, that they're in deep trouble, not only because they don't have something they can depend on, but because of what you mentioned in terms of the schedule.

And I think that's an issue for the entire AFC North, that it's going to be difficult to get two teams. You play the NFC West out of division. You have very tough in division games, so that makes a bigger hole at O&2. Yeah. I think personally, I think the Steelers are in very good position to make the playoffs. I think the Bengals look really good. So, yeah, I agree with you that this was a year of the Ravens were going to miss it.

This makes sense. Chris Wesleyan, your pick. Texans are in huge trouble. You can mask a lot of weaknesses in the NFL. You can't mask bad quarterback play. And Bill O'Brien told us, told the whole world these two guys are great players and nobody appreciates them. And they'll show the world. Should I take up this quote again?

They'll show the world. He's really offended Wes that he insulted our intelligence. Well, it's the same thing that Jerry Jones said. Like, quit selling us a bill of goods, guys. We've seen these players. And Brian Hoyer, he got benched because he has a mechanical flaw. He patted the ball before every throw and stared down receivers. They put mallet in.

He stares down receivers and then tries to throw a hole through them. He doesn't lead his receivers in any way. He's a wait-and-see quarterback. He waits to see his receivers get open, throws as hard as he can, and he has no accuracy or touch. He's basically Brandon Weed. He has Colin Kaepernick disease. I actually wrote that as one of my notes when I rewatch that game,

which is if there's a receiver five yards in front of him, it doesn't matter. He's going to throw the 140 mile an hour fastball. It's like he took off, I forget, which might have been Cecil's shorts. He practically broke his hands on one of the plays, and it led to the end of a possession. Bill O'Brien on hard knocks. Nobody talks about the Houston Texans because nobody thinks we're going to win. And the disrespect they show our quarterbacks, I'm tired of that too, because both those kids can play

they just need a chance and one of them is going to get it enough is enough they can play so much that you gave him three quarters in the openers to let him prove that you were so prescient in your critique of American society

if you love yeah if you love if you love Tarneux you love Bill O'Brien he came up so well family man I don't know I don't love him well I watch Cardnox as a person as a human he seemed like a good guy I love

your recaps of it. Yes. That's what I was. It basically saved it. Thanks. Wait, you weren't touched by it at home? Greg's right. I'm really having a hard time getting over this Bill O'Brien,

getting so upset about people critiquing his crappy quarterbacks, and then he pulls him after three quarters. Part of that is how coaches. Way to stand your ground, Bill O'Brien. That's how coaches, though. They come at this differently than analysts. It's almost as surprising as my brand than we didn't love. You're just total fascination with this one little bit.

Who, by the way, is a Belichek to sign. and you carry the war for the Patriots all the way up to Hill. I like the Patriots. They run a great operation. But Belichick doesn't go out and saying, hey, look, Brian Hoyer can play. Well, it's like Rex Ryan says a lot of guys have tried to beat Belichick leaving that building. Not many success stories. My pick for O&2 team in the biggest trouble is the Colts.

We talked about them earlier. This team's soft. It's a soft team, and it reminds me of. And they might, who knows, they might go 10 and 6 in this terrible division and make the plus. It doesn't mean I have to take them seriously. because they look like an early 2000s Peyton Manning team, crappy defense and the young quarterback making too many mistakes, trying to make up for it.

And there's major questions about skill positions in my mind, especially Andre Johnson, a lot of pressure on Frank Gore to carry the load on offense and T.Y Hilton to stay healthy. Other than the Seahawks, I think they're in the best shape of any O&2 team because they have Andrew Luck, who we all think is going to be a great quarterback.

And they're in the AFC South. It's just the ultimate eraser. It's the ultimate, okay, it's fine. We're going to fix everything. This week is a perfect example. They are 0 and 2 and everything looks terrible. The next three games are Tennessee, Jacksonville, and Houston. And maybe they'll have an ugly win this week and things will look a little better next week.

Suddenly things will be rolling against Houston. You're 3 and 2. He's 16 and 2 against a division. Are you just giving them six wins against that division? I think that the Titans are a different team than last season. And the Jaguars at Blake Bortles continues to roll. redefine redefine biggest trouble.

Like, yeah, they'll probably make the playoffs, but I think they'll get wiped out as soon as they play a good team of the playoffs. And for a team that's supposed to go to the Super Bowl, that's what I'm saying. I can make a strong argument if they'll be a much stronger team in January. They played the second half last night

without the top four cornerbacks on their roster. And they had a pretty good run defense. They've had a pretty good run defense two weeks in a row. So I don't think that their defense is terrible. Their offense, Andrew Luck traditionally has done well against Blitzes.

So this is a two-game aberration. Andre Johnson, maybe he's still getting his chemistry with Andrew Luck, and Luck has to see that maybe he doesn't need separation to make a play. T.Y. Hilton playing with a bum knee. Philip Dorset, not yet up to speed. Offensive line, not jelling yet. You can say that these guys will be a much better team in a few months. One thing I've learned on the Throne of Ease is that September has no relation to January at all.

The only thing it does is putting, I'm talking about in general. All it does is putting wins in the standings that you need, that you're going to need to get to January. But I don't think teams in September have almost any connection. Football is about building your team throughout the season. And I do think the cults have the pieces that they could be one of those teams that gets a lot better throughout the season. Is their roster weaker than it was last year? I don't think so.

Is it better? Yes. I really don't think September matters. I don't think you compare the Indianapolis cults to the New England Patriots on any level right now. And Dan's point is where the expectations are the cults are and where they are. Yeah, the Patriots have started two and one or one and two a few times. but they've done it and they've gotten at 12 and 4 over and over and over and over. The cults inside internally are a hot mess right now from everyone that we're hearing from.

That's what they're saying. The Patriots are absolutely sealed tight year after year. There's no issue. I mean that for all teams. I mean, the Seahawks start off slow. The Patriots start off fast, and I kind of think it doesn't really mean that much right now either because they need to be building throughout the season. They were 3 in the year they were defending the title in 2002.

They didn't make the playoffs. I'm just saying they have the pieces in where they can figure some things out. Again, you have to go back a decade-plus to see the year that the Patriots didn't make the playoffs. I want to be stunned either if this all went to hell, then they win eight games and don't even go to the polls. I think they have a stronger roster than they did it in January. And I think after two games, I'm not writing them off. Like, anything can happen in the next three months. Greg.

Well, I had the Saints. I wrote this article. I didn't even count the Bears as one of the teams that should be included because we thought they were going to be terrible. And they are terrible. So just forget about them. I put the Saints number one as the team in the most trouble because there was legitimate expectations. I wrote that before Drew Brees was hurt.

So I think it's doubly true now. We've already talked about this team at length. But to me, their season, if he misses a week or two, is essentially over. And like I said, I think they could be the number one pick in the draft if he misses half the season, something like that. Since 1990, 12% of teams that start 0 and 2 make the playoffs. So basically, one of these nine teams mathematically will not. make the playoffs right and and i and i would if i had to guess i think more than one because you got

the seahawks and the colts both in there yeah you gotta think they got a chance i think the eagles still have a chance at least in that division so i think for sure the raven seemed to me the one that yeah is i think mark raises a good point you're in a tough division you start out oh and two and the math is working against you detroit's the other one that immediately came to mind because their their next three weeks are tough and they don't really have anything that they've looked good doing so far i think I think we might have blown it. One of us should have talked about the lines.

We covered that angle on Sunday. You're right. I should have talked lying. The Irishman, by the way, has a point, or a factoid or something. You know, from our research department back here, DeAngelo, since 2009, 45 teams started 0 and 2, two of them have made the playoffs. It's getting harder.

DeAngelo, by the way, a rising star behind the glass. He'll be producing this show in about a week, so it's promising. Maybe you can get a... Never mind. All right, we'll leave it at that. Wes had something cooking, though. No, never mind. All right, let's wrap the show by talking about Thursday night football.

And the time is a flat circle. We're not talking about week three, Mark. Interesting. Yes, and the Redskins, the Washington Redskins, a 24-10 win last week over the Rams, a type of win that instills hope. And Mark was talking up their defense in our last show. And now they have a big matchup. division matchup against the New York Giants who should be 2-0, if not for some monumental

errors by their quarterback and by their coach and a complete inability to close. They are instead 0-and-2 after another loss this time to the Falcons at home. So here's a game between two teams that really need it. Our thoughts. Start with you, Wes. I watched the Redskins game last night, and I came away thinking they should be the team of ATL. Oh, hell no. Oh, my gosh.

I kind of agree with Wes. We talked about this on Twitter. I don't get it. You don't like teams that are held back by their quarterbacks. Their coaching is telling you they believe they're held back by Kirk Cousins. No, no, no, no. They're not an exciting team. Don't put words of them out.

I don't dislike teams held back by the quarterbacks. I dislike teams with inept quarterbacks. Kirk Cousins is anything but inept. It can move in. He's positive. Every time he starts, he moves the offense. He was 23 for 27. You and I like different things.

about quarterbacks and hate different things about quarterbacks. I can't stand quarterbacks who don't move the offense. They scored 10 points. I don't care about the turnovers so much. They scored 10 points. But they should have had 22. They moved. They missed field goals. They missed opportunities. They moved the offense. He also threw a mind-numbing interception. Again, that doesn't bother me nearly as much as sheer in aptitude and not being able to move the office. It's also not just cousins. I mean, the way that their offense is formed right now, they have basically Jeff Fisher came out of the Rams game saying this is this year's Dallas Cowboys. That's what their line is, because they have a second in the league behind the Cowboys in time of possession.

Matt Jones looks like a rookie of the year candidate. He's running the ball very well, and they don't need Kirk Cousins to throw the ball 44 times. I got in trouble last year when they put him in those kind of games. I think if you were, and it's stupid to even talk like this, but if you were just looking at great coaching performances for the first two weeks, Jay Gruden and the Redskins have done an unbelievable job. They had them in position and really should have won that week one. They are minimizing Kirk Cousins' weaknesses by not all. allowing him to do too much, quick passes.

He's looked good. And the running game looks unbelievable. Like you said, I mean, Alfred Morris is getting, you know, he's a great backup running back, but that's what he is right now, because they had Matt Jones in at the end of the game when it matter. Or he's what it should be. It's what he should be. Alfred Morris has ran really well the last two games, too. But you have a situation where he's getting caught while he's going laterally by Michael Brockers,

whereas Matt Jones is running 39 yards down the field. That's a big boy who can catch the ball, who could be short yard. I think he's got everything that you would want in, like, like a top five or six NFL back, much less leading that team. There's only a handful of humans on the planet that move like that at 6-2-230. That's all I'm saying. Alfred Morris is great. I just say it's got a high job.

I don't think. Alford Morris has like a 35-yard run too because that line is getting, breaking some holes and Bill Callahan, young coach of the year assistant. How about that? I agree. Morris looked dynamite in the Oprah. I don't think either of one of these guys is going away. They're going to run.

They want to run it 35 to 40 times a game. So that's the, and look, he's not, Matt Jones isn't the only exciting guy in this office. Jordan Reed is playing lights out. That's fair. Totally pulls his hamstring in 10 days. It's the most positive Redskins stock we've had soon. I was going to say we universally, and then good, things change. Their front sevens legit too.

We missed this. We missed as a group because I think universally we picked them as the worst team in the NFL two weeks ago. We had a huge caveat on that. We picked when RG3 was the quarterback. But we knew RG3 wasn't going to remain the quarterback. Who thought he was going to start the majority of games? Look, if you enter the season with a guy under center who has been a cancer to your

team, it's easy to pick them to be 32nd in the league. How about the defense? No one saw the defense. And granted, they've only played the Dolphins and the Rams, but they've done a really nice job. Like you mentioned Jason Hatcher. Keenan Robinson and Perry Riley playing good in the middle. Preston Smith, the rookie played great. I mean, we were talking about McLuhan, but really a lot of these guys are Bruce Allen's picks that are playing the most snaps. I mean, the McLuhan picks, Paella and Knight are not on the field a ton for this team. It's guys like Jason Hatcher, who didn't look like a good sign. I mean, you know, stepping up, playing pretty rough.

There was a beat writer that actually wrote an article apologizing because he was so wrong about the Redskins before the season. And I think it's one of the teams that tons of people whiffed on it. Because you just automatically look at, it's such a chaotic quarterback situation that you don't look at what's happening with the rest of the team. I can't blame anybody for whiffing on the Redskins when they thought that RG3 would be the quarterback. Because he forgot how to play quarterback. I think most people, I would have said, listen, you're going to get RG3, but you're going to get cousins.

You're probably going to get called McCoy for a couple games, too. That's what everyone thought. But we know that's a recipe for disaster going from quarterback to quarterback. Right, but no one thought it was going to be RG3 from wire to wire. No, but my point is... Wait, did cousins get named the starter, like, week three in the preseason? It came down to what... It wasn't just cousins.

It happened after we picked our power pool. I'm just saying, I feel like, you know, a little bit of a flip-flop by us here. I don't think so. I totally disagree. We were wrong about a lot of teams, though. In fact, when we talked about it, I said, we voted, and I had them 32nd. I said at the time, if I knew Cousins was the starter, I'd have put them in the early 20s. What about the Giants, by the way? Can I hit the Giants here? Is there any chance?

And they have a home game against the Redskins team that everybody, or a lot of people will probably think they'll get on the board here and win. If they lay an egg and the Redskins keep playing well, is there any way Tom Goughlin doesn't survive the season? If the wheels really come flying off here? Number one, you have to look at what type of assistance they could elevate to interim coach. but the Giants don't operate that way. The Giants are going to, after what he's done for that team, they're going to let him play it out because... I think so, too.

Especially in this division where it feels like any team that's, let's say, three and six after nine games might still be in the division race. That they're going to be... Tom Coughlin's already selling this hope that he's, hey, we're O and 2, but the Cowboys are injured. I mean, he's openly talking about it, and this division is wide open. Isn't this Tom Coughlin's move?

Yeah. To basically punt September and then everyone gives up on him? Yeah. Well, it's weird. They also had those years where they were 6 and 0 a couple times. I don't know. They're a schizophrenic team. Let's make our picks for the game, Mark's score, and Victor.

Man, I hate making this pick already. You're going to forget it in two days anyway, though. I will, and I'm going to hold the right to change it, to be honest with you. But I'm going to go Giants, and I'll tell you why it only comes down to this. The home team on Thursday night, unless you come in, if you roll in with a much better quarterback, I think the visiting team has a shot to take Thursday a game, but it's the weirdest game of the week. The Giants need this one so badly.

This is their season on the line. I'm going New York. Score? 28 to 27. Ooh, Wes. That all makes sense. Everything you said makes sense. I just think the Redskins are the more complete, better football team,

so I'm taking them. Score. 23 to 20. All right. I think the Giants will. finally get a win. They'll close this time. 2817. I think the Cinderella story of the year,

Joe Barry, known as the defensive coordinator of the Owen 16 Lions. He's getting back on, you know, the coordinator of the year, candidacy this year. This Redskins team goes in there and wins, I don't know, 23 to 9. Is he on March radar yet? Well, I'm going, if anyone

on that team's getting, well, he's not a coordinator. I mean, there's a lot of Cinderella buzz out there about Joe Barry. You know, people are getting features ready about that Owen 16. showing some sad Joe Barry faces and now here he is with the Redskins. If the Redskins go like 10 and 6 and win the NFC East,

Jay Gruden would be one of the more unlikely coaches of the year ever. Yeah, that's a totally fair position. People are ready to can that guy. Is this what you're predicting? No, no, but I'm saying it could happen, who knows. You should get out in front here. I'm not ready to do you.

Let's see and beat the Giants. Let's see and beat the Giants. All right, that's it for Tuesday's edition of the Round of the NFL podcast. We will be back on Thursday. with our Thursday night, we'll go up early Friday morning with our big recap of Thursday night football. We have previews of all the Sunday and Monday games. It's our big preview show.

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