NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - MNF Recap; What is on your iPad? London Day 1

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

A stadium full of heroes- Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal get to hang out in the beautiful Tottenham Hotspur stadium for a few minutes before the English skies decided to open up and rain on all of Ricky's equipment! Forgive any technical difficulties! The heroes recap Monday night football while Marc pouts (6:07) and then dissect the Jay Gruden firing. (19:31) The heroes talk about what would shock them on their ipad (if they just woke up from a 6 week nap) from NFL storylines happening going into week 6. (28:50) The heroes preview Thursday night game between the Patriots and Giants. (41:55)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Smokes, macanudos, and tosses a disc around. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hentz, and I am joined in a. Stadium filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. As we get farther away from our home country, the intros by Matt Money Smith become more beguiling. Greg and I looked at each other.

We have no idea what that meant. No idea at all. None of you? Also, something England-related would have been nice. We are in the middle of London right now. It's some reference that we don't get. Famous new stadiums in the world. It's an office.

Remember someone DM'd me and all of us were talking about. macanudos and throwing a disc around and like we got thousands of mentions well it wasn't within the last 48 hours we don't remember it but this place is not filled with heroes it's empty it's a little unnerving but also beautiful to be in a huge stadium with no people in it this is tottenham hotspur stadium and i have to get that right because first of all i i thought sundays games it was very busy it was a whirlwind getting here uh i thought the game was played in wembley stadium on Sunday. Took a little heat for that, I saw. Did none of you notice me say that

on the show once and correct me gently? Dan, by the way, game was at a different facility. We tune out sometimes just like you. That was an effective shifting to blame right there. And then I called this place Tottenham Stadium. That is not good either.

It's Tottenham, Hotspur Stadium. Neil Reynolds got on my case about that. And yes, it's a beautiful new facility. Just opened in April and it has a field specially designed for the NFL and one day perhaps will be the home field of a team

that calls London their home on a full-time basis. One can dream. By the way, I want to try this again. I did it off mic before. It is empty. Nick Pike, who works at the UK office for the NFL, can I scream just to hear the echo?

Okay, here we go. Ow! I don't know if that's going to show up. That was really loud. It sounded like someone in pain. That was pretty cool. It probably will alert. I mean, this isn't just anyone stadium either.

This is the Champions League finalist Tottenham Hotspurs. Second place is first loser. You got to put it out of it. We got a cab from our hotel, and I'll get into the hotel in a second. And the guy driving us had a West Ham air freshener hanging from his rear of your mirror. And apparently that's the big robbery, West Ham and Tottenham Hotspurs. and he asked us if we went for Tottenham, and I feel like if we answered him wrong, that was it.

It just would be blood everywhere. Well, he had claimed that he in the past been to a number of matches where a lot of blood and guts were spilled. And you made the faux pa here in the UK of saying soccer to him, where we are on their turf now. It's football. What I'm doing is I'm introducing. We talk about American football.

I'm introducing my culture to him. It's a very American sentiment. to be like, hey, what about the soccer matches here? Oh, well, there will be more faux pauses, I'm certain. Anyway, yes, this is the first purpose-built NFL stadium outside the U.S. World-class facility just open, and we are sitting in it as they are preparing for the second London game between the Panthers and the Bucks on Sunday. We will be here.

They're prep. It's a mad scramble that they are painting the end zones later this week, and we were walking on the field, and we got to check out the locker rooms. Such a cool play. So really a thrill to be here. Bacheram was nice. State of the art facility. It's like a club.

I do feel like if you look up behind us, there's definitely like an assassin's perch up there somewhere, ready to take one of us out. Hopefully me. They were given a tour earlier today and someone recognized Ricky Hollywood. Yeah, it was very cool. I had my leather jacket on.

It was like perfect timing. You're so beat-as. A male. A large male. You described him as a large male. Very tall, yes. So today's show is going to be fun. We've got a whole week lined up of great activities.

Today's show will be focused on several things, kind of almost like a typical Tuesday show in a non-typical location. We have Monday night football recap to get to, Mark. It sounds like you picked a good time to fly across the world and miss a Brown's game. Yeah, to say the least. And now I know why there's a bounce in your step, as we would say. My team took a trouncing while I was asleep on an airplane. You're a sick man.

I'm excited to be in London. I don't care about your crappy team that much. We also will do a segment. Great moment on the plane. A couple great moments on the plane. Greg and I are in the same row on Virgin Atlantic, which great job by you, Virgin Atlantic. Greg turns the iPad to me to show me an ESPN page

that showed that my New York Yankees had seen. swept their way to the ALCS. I was very excited to see that, and that the Browns had been trounced, which apparently I was very excited to see as well. I must have hit the mark with this. Right. It was like, it was like,

it was in the middle of the night, and Dan just starts hooting and hollering, wakes everyone up. He's like, yeah, Fick Maker Mayfield. And so that gave us the idea for a segment. If you were handed an iPad on a plane flying over the Atlantic Ocean, and you had been out of the loop for instead of one, night the first five weeks of the football season what would what would stun you about what you

were reading uh so we'll do that thursday night preview giants at patriots are you kidding me now the patriots get both new york teams something's fishy uh but uh and we'll do some news including the first firing of the 2019 season and it probably won't be the last uh but before we do that let's talk monday night football and he's got this running game working as you you see with Matt Brita. And look at the speed on Brita. What a way to start it. 83-yard touchdown.

Yes, Matt Brita got it going for the Niners, and they never let up. An absolute trouncing at the big bell bottom as the San Francisco 49ers took it to Marks-Cleveland Browns, a 31-3 final, a game that could have been, even worse than it was, if not for some missed field goal attempts by the Niners, a game where Baker Mayfield struggled mightily, and the San Francisco running game piled up 275 yards on the ground, an absolute whipping. Wes, I know we were flying. You got a chance to check out this

game on game pass in your hotel before we came over, and was it as bad as the box score and all the write-up seemed to indicate? Well, I was half delirious from lack of sleep, so take this with a grain of salt, but it reminded me quite a bit of the 49ers Bengals game from earlier in the year, where it was just a wall-to-wall thumping. And it looked to me like the 49ers were playing downhill. They were just the faster team playing at a different speed and intensity. And on both sides of the ball, on special teams, every area of the game, the 49ers looked like a superpower. The 49ers are the toughest running offense in the league to defend. And we'll get to the Browns.

But to me, the 49ers are weirdly the bigger story here because we've been waiting to find out who is. Weirdly, they're 4-0. Right. I just mean, maybe on this show, we've obviously been focused on the Browns, not just because of Mark, but also nationwide people have been focused on the Browns all offseason. We weren't talking about the 49ers as kind of the cool, rising team that's going to take

over the NFL. But they are. They're so hard to defend. I love on ESPN how they show. who's on the field on offense in terms of the skill position players every play. And you could appreciate a Kyle Shanahan offense when they do that. Because you realize how often it's two tight ends and a fullback and one receiver. Or it's one tight end, a fullback, kind of a blocking wide receiver.

There was a lot of Levine Toloilo in the game. There's, of course, a great game by their entire defense. But on offense, it just feels like Kyle Shanahan's always one side. step ahead of the opposing defenses right now. And it's interesting because him and Sean McVeigh, in theory, kind of come from the same school and they do some similar things, but they do it in such different ways. You would never see two tight ends in a fullback in a Sean McVe office. It's a huge. This was the game where I think people were waiting on San Francisco to find out, oh, this will be the week, you're legit or you're not. And I'm not sure the Browns are actually a test

at this point. I'd come out very concerned about them for a variety of reasons. But to thump Cleveland the way they did, and I haven't had a chance to watch it, and never will I watch it. But it's encouraging because, you know, the Niners weren't talked about this off-season, but they were talked about all off-season last year. They were the team. You have always been a big Kyle Shanahan fan and a big 49ers fan by extension. I have. You got that goal for you.

Maybe you should just switch on over. It's neat. My wife is a Niners fan. I mean, it would create family unity. That wouldn't be the word. thing so you know what i was thinking of during this game i think it was peter schrager when we had him on from the swimming pool and it was him who said that the guy everyone in the NFL is talking about is the next head coaching candidate his 49ers defensive coordinator robert solid and that they are

right up there with the patriots as the best and you know throw the bills in there as the best defenses in the NFL this year you could argue they have more talent on defense than they do on offense along guys it's starting to rain a lot of electronic equipment sitting on her laps and Ricky has it in front of her a very dangerous moment right now. Speaking of dangerous, the Cleveland Browns are supposed to be dangerous. They're supposed to be feeling dangerous. And we we have what's now a major issue. Baker Mayfield, eight of 22, 100 yards, four and a half yards per attempt, two interceptions. He leads the NFL with eight picks this year. Odell Beckham, two catches for 15 yards, three points total. This is one of the biggest

surprises of the early season, right? That this is happening right now with the brands. I think it is, and this is tangential to that. But when I read the story where before the game, he refused to shake hands with Richard Sherman and a couple other Niners players, I know that a lot of Baker-Mayfield stuff gets blown up, and I kind of brushed almost all of it off.

To me, that rubbed me the wrong way. And to go out and then lay a total egg, his career is still very young, And we want these guys to be fully developed products, seven or eight games into their career. But it is concerning because the trajectory coming out of last year, not unlike Jimmy G, I thought, after his little six-game sample size,

where everyone thought he'd be Joe Montana Part 2 and he struggled and got injured, it takes time with these guys. You know what it reminds me a lot of as a Jets fan? Rex Ryan, when he started, he always ran his mouth, he always played to the media and clap back at people that came after him.

And when you're winning, it works and it's fun but when you're not playing well and you're losing it just it turns ugly quickly and you know the fact you had two issues with mayfield uh outside the game you had the handshake thing that richard sherman then came after him in a interview with mike silver after the game you had nick bosa who got a measure of revenge mayfield during his college days at uh Oklahoma planting the flag at midfield against bosa and ohio state so after bosa gets to uh Mayfield, he does a simulated plant flag. And Bosa had an outrageous game.

Two sacks, lived in the backfield, forced to fumble. Oh, my God, it is. We are getting right now. We need to take a time out. All right, I need help. Okay. All right. there it is the first ever around the NFL podcast rain delay it happened the first podcast rain delay period did we make history

it's about a 29 minute delay it involved many unathletic man men scampering and carrying equipment through the rain inside and and erika setting it all back up for us inside there are unanswered questions if i might have damaged a $20,000 lens so if So I will just, I'll be leaving the company. We did what we could. I also take issue with, as usual, Greg's commentary, you know, making comments, you know, about other people. Right. But also, Greg did the least amount of work. By far.

Greg was grabbing two chairs at a time he was picking up all the wires. I went back out there three times. I don't know what you're talking about. So you're actually, actually, you're totally in the wrong while you're staying keeping your hair dry. Give me a break. Once we got inside, Greg was like, oh, that's enough of physical labor for the decade for me. I'm shutting it down. Well, you know, we're working with the wires, just trying to get to dry everything off.

Why did it need to go into this direction? I was making a joke that we're all making a run for it, and you're taking shots. When I'm the one out there getting things, otherwise it was still sitting there. I don't know. I just didn't think it was a complete effort by you. I thought it was half an effort. I mean, Mark picked up a case, and then one of my extremely, extremely expensive lenses just rolled out onto the rainy field.

Well, I took accountability if I just mentioned that. Yeah, you did, but you scurried right back up and picked it up, and it was amazing. Very quick. Well, I also found your phone in the middle of a wet, grassy field. Had that not happened, where would we be? Let's get back in a truck. We're now inside. We're right outside the Tottenham Hotspur's dressing locker room area.

Oh, yeah, we are. Which I would imagine there are, you know, hundreds of thousands of people in this area that would die to be in this room. And here we are just viewing it as a place to get under a roof. Well, we're aware of how special it is to be here And it's very exciting Let's get back Think of all the history that's happened here

In the last 10 months Let's get back to the game And yes, so Nick Bosa Listen to this stat line For Nick Bosa on Monday Night Football Get ready Two sacks Two tackles for loss

Four tackles, five quarterback hurries A forced fumble And a fumble recovery He announced himself as a NFL star in primetime this week. I think it was a big deal to get the bye week for Nick Bosa, and this was healthy Nick Bosa. He had come back very quickly from a pretty serious ankle sprain, had been playing through it.

Even in games had gotten hurt kind of as the game went along. They get the by week. He comes back out, and he looks like a superstar. He looked like the best player on a field that included Odo Beckham and Baker Mayfield and plenty of other great players. I think the fascinating story going forward is, the NFC West is loaded and bizarre, and there are a ton of NFC West

head-to-head competitions coming up. Mark, where's your P-scale on the Browns? One, pants totally dry. Wasn't trapped outside. I'll put it this way because I think anyone... It's like one... You made one chip, brought one thing in. You're Dan.

Or like three, you made three chips back out into the rain to get everything and make sure everything was dry. Whatever you could say something that actually gets Greg mad, You know you've succeeded. You've done well. It's hard to do. It's three plus trips. I know the feeling I had, and I think whenever you're a fan and you're stuck in a place where you can't track a game of a team that you care about very much.

And, like, I intentionally didn't want to go minute by minute with this thing on an airplane if it was going south. It's too. So I, you know, I knew the game was over, long after the fact. And I did the thing where I purchased the internet, you know, hour-long service just to get the score. And that moment where I'm typing. Brown's 49ers score, you're rolling the dice, a hundred-sided dice. It could have ended in a billion ways. Had it ended 45 to 7 Browns, I would have just stood up on the airplane and walk up and down

the aisle and start slapping people five, but it's 30 to 3. It's about as awful as a dice roll as you could have gotten. You said you understand the scale by now, but you didn't give me a 1 to 10 number. I said initially it's three plus chairs I brought in or three plus trips because I got that wet because there's that much pee on me, I guess. The peak is coming down literally from the sky on me. It's not coming from me, so it's bad. God urinating on you.

Yeah, and that's sort of what's been the experience of a Browns fan for a long time at this point. I mean, Baker Mayfield, you know, acts tough before the game. It felt like he had a little bit of a P scale in this game. Very early on has a wide open Odell Beckham for a big play just overshoots him. The first third down of the game, not really any pressure. He decides to try to go make a play on his own, ends up throwing up. A pretty good throw, but Ricky Seals Jones can't come up with it. He fumbles in the game.

There is a lot of pressure on him, and the offensive line didn't play well. But some of that is the scheme, I think. Some of that's Mayfield. Some of that's the running backs and tight ends who got Mayfield and the running game blown up in this game when they were trying to protect. So it's a little bit of everything, but Baker's not playing well. I mean, that's pretty honest. A lot of bad news.

He's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the league this year. Statistically, you're right. In a league where it's hard, where right now not many quarterbacks are truly struggling, you're right. It's not just statistically, like not being comfortable with what he's seen, seeing ghosts in the pocket. He hasn't been a good quarterback. And we went from, oh, you know, his interceptions are playful in Brett Farv-like because he's a sea pirate throwing balls to mostly his guys too, to now he's turning the ball over at a crazy race. Well, there's just no rhythm. There was no rhythm in this game.

This is one reason why I always pushed back against when people said, well, that doesn't count, you know. The Rams racked up numbers in garbage time, or this team did in garbage time. There's no guarantee that you're going to get anything in garbage time. The Browns were worse in the second half of this game than they were in the first half. They ended up with, you had like 100 yards. Beckham had his two catches for 27 with about 27 minutes left in the game, and it's 28 to 3. And the Browns couldn't even do anything when there was nothing going on, when they had all the time in the world to just try to pass and they couldn't do it.

I've had enough of this topic. I'm sorry. Let's shift here. Let's give Jimmy G a little credit, though. He's the difference between Baker and Jimmy G is Jimmy G's got a great defense and a great coaching stuff. Everything for him is first read. He has not really had to do anything this year, and they're four or no. Nick Bosa with the last word on his rival.

I don't know how anybody thought he would be able to see over Eric Armstead and DeForest Buckner, but he was panicking. He was double clutching, rolling back and forth. We had him rattled all game. And that's it, Mark. We won't talk about this game. ever again. Let's do some news. Oh, I'm so sorry. You'll need a UK passport to check those files.

Therefore, British Eyes Only. Oh, you need the song in there. The song is what makes it. For British Eyes Only. Well, we just got the song. All right, let's get into the big news. And the only really big news item here, which is Jay Gruden is out as Redskins head coach following an 0-15 start and a 33 to 7 loss to the Patriots on Sunday, Gruden was fired. The team confirmed a report that was out there.

Gruden spoke out on Monday saying that he's not bitter. He had time to get things done, but it just never happened over five and a half years. He did also add, though, that he wish he had a little more control over who came into the building and who he was coaching, which is at the heart or one of the main issues around why, Washington has been irrelevant for years now, and the idea that under Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen, the team president, I believe, this is an organization that has not been cohesive. And as Jay Gruden goes out the door, and Jay Gruden, I think, will be fine. Jay Gruden will get another job as an O.C.

And maybe even get a second chance as a head coach. You look ahead to the Redskins, Wes, and when you look to find a new head coach, and right now the interim coach is Bill Callahan, I don't imagine he'll be the long term. answer there. Isn't it a scary job for any coach to look at? Yeah, I've been through this with the Bengals going back to the 1990s where there's only 32 of these and your life is better when you're a head coach than it is when you're a coordinator most of the time. So I think people are going to want it, but maybe they don't get the first or second choice. Maybe they get the third or fourth choice. They apparently want Mike Tomlin. I mean, that is the coach that

Dan Snyder wants, which is great. Why would Mike Tomlin want to go from one of the most stable well-run organizations to an organization that hasn't settled on a way to run things really since this ownership took over? I mean, they've played two playoff games in the last 11 years. They've won two playoff games since Dan Snyder took over, and one of those was in his first year in 1999. And you look at the structure that they always have.

Bruce Allen took over this. team in 2010. Back then he was the president and general manager, and then he wasn't the general manager, and they hired Scott McLuhan, and he lost his job, and then Alan is somehow taking over again, but Doug Williams is involved, but the owners picking the quarterback. They let Jay Gruden coach one more game, I think, to let him coach Colt McCoy. I really believe that, because Gruden, it sounded like knew he was about to be fired, and this was kind of like, I didn't choose RG3, I never really wanted him. I was always ambivalent about Kirk Cousins, and here I am with Dwayne Haskins who I didn't really want anyone.

They're like, here, have Colt McCoy for one game, you're going to stink, and then we're going to fire you. I thought they had something going when McLuhan was picking players and turning the Redskins. There was a season or two where they had a toughness vibe to them, where they'd occasionally go and beat teams up, and they were an enjoyable watch when they were on, right West? Do you agree with that? I remember you and I, there were weeks where we would just get fired up about the Redskins imposing their will on other teams, but they didn't just be.

beat other teams up. They beat themselves up. And that's one of the reasons why, after five and a half years, I still don't know if Jay Gruden's a good coach or a bad coach. I don't think he's a bad coach because of how much that was working against him, including the litany of injuries, which were, you know, up there with the Chargers as the biggest plague in the league. Here's part of the problem with Bruce Allen here because they ask him in his press conference about, you know, is there a culture issue with this team?

And he responds, you know, the culture is actually damn good. These people care. We have a very young core of players that we have brought in here who are accustomed to winning. If you look at the record of these guys, they're accustomed to winning. They want to win. Some of that is just GM speak and president speak. But also, there's a lack of accountability and the understanding that maybe it's time to shift the dynamic of how things are operated with the organization.

I was on the airplane and had a chance to watch this press conference. And first of all, this is the guy you have to wheel out. to answer what I thought were some tough questions by some very frustrated Redskins beatwriters, trying to ask the questions that this extremely frustrated fan base wants to ask of their owner and of Bruce Allen. And it felt to me answer after answer like fraudulent, soft-cell, military-industrial complex solutions to stuff that will never actually get a real answer on. It was impossible for me to take it seriously, and it was offensive, to be honest. Sometimes these NFL press conferences are really tough to watch because you can see through it.

You can see through it. And this fan base is one that I think has less hope than almost any in the league. Because even if you're a Dolphins fan, you can say there's some vision here. What is the Redskins vision? And Bruce Allen basically said, I couldn't be happier with what I've done up till now. I thought he took no accountability at all. I think it's the toughest job in the NFL, even tougher than the Bengals for a head coach. And I think they're a great example of what a golden goose the NFL is.

You know, their situation on Game Day is not very popular. Fans are not showing up. The stadium experience isn't great. The team has been, you know, one of the very worst. And the franchise only keeps increasing in value. They keep printing money. Like owning and running the Redskins is about as profitable and, you know, risk-free a business as possible,

even though compared to the other 30-31 franchise. franchises in a league, they're run poorly. To your point, one quick thing about Bruce Allen was asked, what was your response to against the Patriots, more than half the stadium was Patriots fans who were drowning out the Redskins and cheering on Tom Brady? And that's happened in other stadiums too. But Bruce Allen, instead of saying this is something that I understand looks bad

and we need to bring this proud fan base back, basically put it on the fans for selling the tickets on the second market. He basically said this is on the fans for creating that environment. This is on you. This is on a team that has coasted forever in terms of team building. Okay, and one last note before we move on, Callahan, as I said, the new interim head coach, said that Dwayne Haskins won't be starting anytime soon. So it will be Colt McCoy or it will be Case Keenham.

So get excited, Washington. But probably the right move based on what we've seen and what we've heard about the first round pick so far. I thought there was a subtle departure from Jay Gruden in that Bill Callahan seemed to go out of his way to say Haskins isn't an option now, but that doesn't mean he won't be an option later in the year, whereas Gruden seemed to be going out of his way to say, this guy's just not ready, you know, we can't put him out there, you know, there was all these reasons. It just seemed like Gruden was at Wits' End, basically. He didn't want Haskins and now he knew he was a dead man walking.

It's like, oh, now I'm going to put in your quarterback because I get fired no matter. What are they without a power struggle? That's all they've been. Which goes to what we're talking about. That's not a good look for Gruden, but what are you doing letting your coach in first round pick go into a season when they don't want each other?

Gruden's going to be the head coach of the Jets in January. That's my prediction. I think offensive coordinator for the Raiders, the Gruden boys. All right, let's now move on. Before we move on, we checked into our hotel right before we got in a cab and headed over here to the stadium. And, you know, as I was getting my things,

together. My room, I don't know if you guys, there's a bit of a weird energy to the hotel rooms. Anybody else picking that out? Just like the vibe to it a little bit? Yes, I agree with you. And I started, I took out my phone and hit record because

honestly, listen to what happened in my room as I was getting ready to meet you guys downstairs in the lobby. Wow. That's the sink. Yes, when I shaved. Wait, wait, wait. Who are you? Are you there? Look, it's talking back.

What are you trying to tell me? Now listen to this part. Am I in danger? See how the pitch went up? Like, you're having a conversation. It sounds like a woman. A woman. and maybe one of Jack the Ripper's victims

were on the east side of London and she's trying to tell me something. It's a clear-cut paltgeist. And Erica asked, are you going to ask to move rooms? And absolutely not. I want to try to help her. I've got the same situation going on

and my pipes are singing. All right, so get the phone out and we'll track this thing. They put me up on the top floor and I have number one a beautiful view of the city and it's an enormous room, just gigantic. Really? Beautiful, huge. Multiple battles.

bathrooms. All right. Let's get to it now. Yes, Greg takes out the iPad. He shows me the sports update, and it was an exciting moment. And also, Greg, the spill on the guy. Oh, yeah, I spilled the water. That was tough because Greg. It was a minor spill. Greg is a guy that, you know, when he's in his realm and he's in his world and he's got his book and he's relaxing in the plane. He doesn't want people messing with him, you know. A lot of people, like that you know um and the last thing you'd ever want is somebody to spill on you when you accidentally spilled on this gentleman who was very nice about it i i felt very badly for you because then the guy made the guy made a real big like he kind of he was nice about it but he kind of made a big scene he like stood up and he's wiping down and then as he's going to use the

the restroom to wipe himself off some more he knocks gregg's drink over and it's it's basically a giant disaster and i mean i was next to both of them was kind of a fun show, but I also did feel for Greg. Was he a burly larger man? No, no, he was not. He was a petite young man. He was a man who watched Mrs. Doubtfire, I think, twice. Wait a minute.

He might not have been twice, but it seems to be going on for a long time. You have 275 entertainment options and you go straight for the Doubtfire right off the top. While the plane was still on the runway, Doubtfire. It was only about an eighth of the water. The plane hadn't even taken off. And then he knocked his whole thing over, but I wasn't sitting. You know, we all avoided major problems. Anyway, Greg hands the iPad over.

I get the update on my baseball team. And it got us thinking, like I said before, what if the iPad got handed to you on that plane and you had not seen anything about the NFL until that very moment? What would be the biggest surprise to you to see on that iPad? This guy would be like, give it to me. I want some more doubtfire. Need it

And also the guy Greg was nice enough To hand over the iPad He had to hand it over This gentleman And I could read his mind like I asked at the beginning of the flight

If you guys want to switch seats You got me in the middle Of this mess now We see what you're doing guy You just want an aisle seat Which you know I don't play me It was a good power play

Didn't work out Eat the middle seat In fact When I checked in my bag The woman said to me Oh you could be in look The seat's empty right now And it got me all excited

and then you see him there, so he got what was doing. Well, I was told that, too, oh, you're fine. Listen, there's a gaping wide middle seat. Where did you check in, Dan, Los Angeles? Yes. And they were British? Yeah. Oh, wow.

That's crazy. You haven't noticed sometimes on foreign airlines that they're often employed by the countries in which they serve. Yeah. Greg Duncan on you. I mean, mine weren't in the States. 360 dunk there. Only slightly condescending from Greg towards Eric in there. But Eric was.

being condescending toward me and judging me but that was the truth i just thought you were stuck in the no that's the norm that's the norm so greg was defending dan by being viciously condescending coming coming back at her in the same tone this jet lags hitting in funny ways okay let's get to it gregg uh i hand you the ipad what are you stunned to see i'm stunned to see that the new Orleans Saints and Carolina Panthers lost their starting quarterbacks, Drew Brees and Cam Newton, and they've gone three and oh since, that they've each won three straight games against pretty good competition. Of all the things that have happened this season, that seems the most remarkable to me. We did not give the Saints much hope of running the gauntlet of these last three weeks when Teddy Bridgewater took over.

None of us even thought they were going to win in Seattle. You know, West locked him up, and we all agreed with him in the room. Like, that was a game that they were not going to win. That seems a little less surprising for the Panthers to rally around Kyle Allen, who's had his moments, and certainly the rest of the team has, too. That, to me, is as stunning as anything, and it proves in the NFL. Like, it really, it's such a cliche, but it's such a team game. Even if this coma that we're in for the first part of the season began after that Thursday night lost to the Bucks,

we'd be surprised that the Panthers did this. We were talking about the coach being flushed out, Cam Newton gone forever, et cetera. And we got a little Kyle Allen here. We got a Panthers helmet right in front of us. I mean, the team, yeah, Kyle Allen has had some moments, really the first game, but they really rallied around the greatness of Christian McCaffrey.

And with the Saints, I guess what surprised me is what's been the most impressive is they're getting better every week. They're, you know, from the Seattle game to the Dallas game and now what we saw on Sunday against the Bucks, they're just, I mean, they are scary. There's no lower, the Falcons and fans have had some low moments and certainly the Super Bowl is the lowest. But when Drew Brees went out and the Falcons are coming off a Sunday night

win against Atlanta, the talk was, can the Falcons open up a little bit of a lead there in the NFC South before Breeze gets back? Fast forward just three weeks, and they're buried in last place. Yeah. Wes, I'm handing you the iPad. Well, I'm looking at this as, let's say I'm a Steelers fan. I look at this iPad.

Oh, my God. My team is one and four with an undrafted four-string rookie quarterback about to make his first NFL start, and the Dolphins have my non-lottery protected first-round draft pick. Ouch. Rough sitch. Rough sitch. That's a surprise when I look at that iPad. You'd be landing in Pittsburgh in an hour with a lot of turmoil going on the side.

That's beyond a worst-case scenario. At the time, Josh Dobbs would have been your third. string quarterback, so instead you have a guy named Devil Deggs Hodges here who's starting on Sunday night football. His nickname is Duck. His nickname is Duck. He's like a 1925 quarterback with a leather helmet. Here's the hell of it.

That's the dire straits you're in, but if Marlon Humphrey doesn't push, punch that ball out, that same undrafted four-string rookie quarterback might have just led you into first place in the AFC North last week. That close. And let me see that iPad a second. We're not going to dwell on it, but it is pretty stunning.

the Browns have a quarterback that leads NFL interceptions and their offense doesn't move in the ball. We knew Cincinnati was bad, maybe not quite this bad. And Wes mentioned the Steelers and the Ravens. Maybe they're the only team in that division where I'd be like, okay, this makes sense. That's what I expected. Except they just got bombed by Cleveland a week ago. That division is all over the place.

Yeah, but you kind of could see them being maybe up and down hot and cold, but the rest of the division is really wacky. Mark, take the iPad. What do you see? The story that I would be clicking into article after article after article as an odyssey that took us to such bizarre places, but that I don't want to rehash entirely right now because everyone knows so much about it is the Odyssey of Antonio Brown. And what happened? If you went to bed in August and you woke up now, the fact that at any point, he went to the Patriots and things got even worse from everything that you knew about in Hard Knocks and the way it ended with Oakland, all that.

but I want to spin it more positively that a team that has changed the way I feel about them, that I can't wait for them to play each week, to check them out, is the Lions. And I'm not saying that they have a roster filled with magical parts like some of these teams that are leading the division and soaring towards the playoffs. But the Lions, to me, have been deadweight for a decade plus dating back forever and have never had any belief in them. And I can't stand their dome and all this other stuff that I railed against and they're uniforms, everything from start to finish. Matt Patricia, who I thought had come close to a

player revolt at points in his first year, has instilled some different type of culture in Detroit where he's got the right type of players. And that meant bringing in some Patriots guys, some known products. And it has turned the NFC North to me into a much more interesting division because it isn't just Green Bay and it isn't just Chicago. The other quick thing I would notice is green bay's defense another team i've always been down on green bay their defense and they're not perfect either but the way that they can hassle a quarterback and you're cheating right now why yeah there's two surprises there's three well the nfc north being one a division that i enjoy when i've oh i've really disliked the nfc north and i can't explain why i'm still trying to get over

this whole antonio brown thing this guy's not even in the league anymore haven't we spit through that the ntonio brown thing is outrageous the the patricia thing i agree i'm totally surprised because it seemed like after year one I hog the iPad he was going he was going the way of so many other belichick disciples where you go it along and go it alone and flame out darrell bevel was a great hire by him if you look at them the way they're producing on offense they you know things went so well jim bob cooter initially and then that stopped working last year their running game is up um 17 yards a game and matthew stafford uh who before the season West. I remember I was talking about who is Matthew Stafford. What is he? Through four weeks, he's got

career best rates and yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt, yards per completion. And he's attempting the ball down the field more than any quarterback this year. On average, he's throwing deeper passes. Well, they've gone up in one of the most crucial stats, I think, that every NFL team tracks, which is the around the NFL podcast usage rate. The Detroit Lions barely mentioned for many months in the off season. Now we can't get through a show without talking about the Detroit Lions. We love them. If we had a team of ATL

this year, maybe it'd be the Detroit Lions. Wait a second. Not only are they fun to watch. They've got a better point differential than the 4 and 1 first place New Orleans Saints. Do we have a team of ATN? Whoa, out of nowhere.

Is it coming naturally? Me the team Of ATL The team Team of ATL. Only one team can earn the right Now's the time to shine a light

On the team Team R-R-A-T-A-T-A-E. This is a very special honor. It's always better when it comes naturally. All right, I'll close it out. Mark, I thought you were going, when you mentioned Antonio Brown

during your winding narrative there, I thought you're going to give the Raiders some shine and John Gruden specifically, because if you went out of pocket at the end of training camp right after Hard Knocks ended, and right when Antonio Brown was hiring a social media expert to craft tweets that would get him fired by his team. And the Raiders got absolutely savaged for the experiment, which, you know, is fair in the moment to do that.

There was nobody that said, well, the Raiders not only are they going to survive without Antonio Brown. They are going to be absolutely in the mix. And they're even going to go to London and beat up the Bears and win a game. They are three and two heading into their byweek. and they are not a great team. I don't think they are going to be someone that puts a scare into any AFC superpower. But it is undeniable

thus far from what we've seen that there is progress in the John Gruden Empire here from year one to year two. And there was a lot of writing Gruden off immediately. We had to give them time to start building something. And they could finish 5 and 11. It's certainly possible.

But where we stand right now, they are a success story in the NFL. So I thought you were going to mention that we lost a quarterback to a teen kissing illness. I don't need to talk about that anymore. But that would surprise you if you read that on an iPad. You know what, though? With the Jets, nothing surprises me.

That team, though, the Jets, and we forget about it now, there was a lot of this is going to bloom into something very watchable too. I didn't forget about that. I remember it like the good old days. There was a very favorable shine to them. Yeah, the Raiders, even two weeks ago, we had given up on. I mean, they had just gotten beaten up on the Chiefs and the Vikings in back-to-back weeks,

and they were in the middle of what appeared to be the toughest road trip in NFL history. And they still have a while to go on it, but they just won an indie, and they just beat the Bears in London. It is shocking to me, because you look up and down, it doesn't really make sense in terms of their talent,

but I think their offensive line is good, and I think John Gruden's done a very nice job coaching that offense to be about as efficient as it can be. And Josh Jacobs, one of those players that they got essentially for the Khalil Mack trade, which I'm not defending that trade. But it should be noted that he looks like a young star at running back. And this team has some pieces now. They're a team that could be on the rise.

Could be. That's progress. How about you hand me the iPad and I check out the NFC West standings? And the Rams are in three and two, but they're in third place. This is the best division of football. Forget the NFC North. These are three teams that I find all of them really fascinating, the 49ers Seahawks and Rams. I think they're all legit contenders.

I don't know where they're going, but I think the Rams with the 49ers coming in this week, and we can talk about that on the preview show. Obviously, they have to be a little worried here because you do not want to be third place in your own division. This becomes a monster game this week, and all three, I don't think they're fluky. I think they're talented, and I'm looking forward to watching these three teams play each other all season. I'd point to one thing, too, that I, the Niners coming off that game, your 4-0, see you. But there isn't one clear-cut dominant team in my mind,

just because I have some lingering questions about the Patriots offense, but they'll probably go 14 and 2. I think that's especially true. Yeah, you're right. In the NFC. How many teams could go to the Super Bowl in the UFC? Erica, you love my mind. My mind.

I mean, she's contractually obligated to us. No, it's so funny. Let me see that I've had. Okay. Last one. We got to keep moving. But go ahead, Wes. It says here, Aaron Jones has more TDs than Aaron Rogers this year.

And yet only Bill Belichick has more wins than Matt the Flower, as Mark likes to call him. Well, that's a lot going on there. A lot going on there. That's pretty special. I did think that I always, because, you know, you know, a quarterback. Iron Rogers looked happy. Obviously, most of that game against the Cowboys. But not throwing a touchdown pass.

You know, Aaron Jones, you know, to score all four of the touchdowns. It's like Walter Payton in the Bears Super Bowl when he didn't, he didn't score. They walked off the field sulking. He never got over there. He went and hid in the closet. They gave the fridge, the ball at the goal line that had given Walter the hard-earned Super Bowl touchdown that he always craved. That might have been a higher instance than this random regular season. It shouldn't be considered a shocker that Glory Boy, Mike Dicca, wasn't thinking about other people.

How about that? Greg, it's got to take the Ditka shot. Dicka got bang, though, too, at that Super Bowl 20. Probably. A dominant win for the Bears, of course. It was not Ditka who got carried off the field. It was Buddy Ryan. Yes, it was.

The defensive coordinator. You could feel the implosion coming. Why are we spinning into a deep look at the... I was about to start going on. Well, Dicka's got the steakhouses, so he won in the end. And he's got the Ditka and Jawarsky cigar bash that happens every Super Bowl week. That's a big thing. He's got the Saturday Night Live skit.

If you guys don't shut up about Dicca, Tampos, he's going to kill you all. No one's done more with one Super Bowl than Dicca. Well, here in England, here in England, from what we can gather, the love of the NFL really started to bloom in the 80s. I've talked to had many conversations with Hanson Hank about this. And the dolphins with Dan Marino and the Bears, that famous 85 Bears team, are teams that captured the imagination of this region. And that's why you heard so many bear fans going nuts

during their comeback against the Raiders last Sunday. And then they let them down because of the curse. The curse, I call it, of Walter Payton. How many Super Bowl titles since they didn't let them go into the end zone? Big, big old zero. That's a good talk. Crazy. Maybe that's who's in my hotel room.

Forget the billy goat. Set them free, Walter. Set them free. That is, we did not need to fast. All right, let's, before we get out of here, Thursday night football, which, man, that game's going to start late here, huh? 1.30 in the morning. The New York Giants, Lejeeman. Mark Brady said he's staying up for it until 4.30 to make sure the editing process goes smoothly.

He's lying. He's going to say that to his bosses, but he'll be asleep. I'll love it. The demon travel to Foxborough. Oh, the Pats. Let's go over the Pats. the records of the New England Patriots opponents so far this year. Week one, they got the dolphins, right?

No. Steelers. Steelers, one and four. Week two, they got the dolphins? They got the dolphins, yeah. Oh, and five. Week three, they get the Jets. Oh, and four.

Week four, they get the bills. Four and one, nice. Week five, the Redskins, oh, and five. Week six, the Giants, two and three. Week 7, the Jets, O and 4. That's nice. That's a nice setup for the Pats. It seems a little crooked.

I'm not going to lie. A little bit crooked. Greg? It's been a little lucky. I mean, especially defensively, even the good team you played, the Bills, do not have a good offense. So all these numbers,

let's calm down Patriots fan. I've seen these articles. Is this the best Patriots defense ever? Are you kidding me? Did anyone watch football in the beginning of the odds? Those teams were insanely talented on all three levels, dominated opponents, and did it throughout the playoffs.

This team is dominating cream puffs. It's the 2019 season. I'm not sure if they're a top five defense. I think they probably are, but let's calm down with all that. The combined record so far of New England's opponents, five and 19. Whoa.

All right, let's get to this game. Five of those losses came from the Patriots. Yeah, you got to take those out. All right, fine. All right, let's get to it. Danny Dimes. Greg, once upon a time, you hoped that you could end Eli Manning's career as if that would take away the agony of those two Super Bowl defeats at the hands of

the great Elijah Manning. But instead, he's long gone now. He's in the rearview mirror. It's Daniel Jones against Tom Brady. Interesting matchup between a 22-year-old passer and a 42-year-old passer, who will last longer in the league, not clear at this point. Do we expect a game at Foxborough? You know, the people in the desert don't.

And I can see why, because the Giants are going to be without Sterling Shepard. It sounds like Sequin Barclay is still a long shot. To play, Wayne Galman might not play. And I think we saw last week against the Vikings what can happen when this Giants' offense plays a more talented defense with a coordinator who knows how to attack a rookie. Daniel Jones, it certainly wasn't all on him, but he's not enough to save this organization right now. Well, no, and then you lose Sterling Shepard, you lose Sequin Barclay. So he's been playing without some of their best players, and you're expecting him to repeat these heroics that he did against the Buccaneers.

This is a bad team, and they've been playing like a bad team. And the bigger thing is they never have the ball because their defense can't get a stop. Belichick absolutely adores facing young rookie quarterbacks, and this is a good matchup for him. He gets off on it. I put it at the level of I would be utterly humanly shocked if the Giants won this game. Humanly shocked. If it was in the Meadowlands, maybe in prime time,

if you get a little frisky. I don't care if it's being played in Eli Manning's backyard. The Patriots have a lot to work on, but I don't think on both sides of the ball, especially on offense. But you look at this Giants defense, and it's still right there with the very worst in the league. If the Patriots can't get healthy in terms of running the ball

and having a little more rhythm on offense, they're not going to have Philip Dorset in this game, then that's cause for concern at this. stage of the season. But you said it. They have the Jets. And then they finally kind of face the meat of their schedule. They have about a six or seven week stretch against a bunch of playoff type of teams. Brady threw the ball 31 times in the first half on Sunday. And they were not doing much. It wasn't until they really started moving the ball on the ground that Brady was able to get loose and they opened the floodgates on the Redskins. They intentionally abandoned

the run. And they, I came out of that game. In the end, they did everything you would have thought. And you look at the box score. It looked fine. they, if they get tangled with an opponent that forces them to make explosive plays, the Patriots don't have that right now. They miss Grunkowski and Josh Gordon and Brady. There was a deep connection where Brady just completely overthr him. They're not completely in sync. No, he doesn't know what Gordon's going to do.

That's the key to being a Tom Brady receiver is you have to see the defense the same way he does and Gordon doesn't. Breaking news. Uh-oh. Speak of the devil. speak of the sentient keg rob gruncowski will make his network debut this week on fox nfl thursday and let me tell you something that is all that is don't worry about the debut as an analyst that's not his future we all know that's not what he's going to be doing that just takes him one step closer to the game

one step closer to the field and the patriots who do not have a tight end they could rely on right now get ready everybody it's happening and this is the first step toward his return in December which will not only you know really help the Patriots win another Super Bowl it will get me sandwiches and that's a great thing I um I still think it's about a 50 50 shot on that whole sandwich thing but I don't know how you got this moves him closer to the field by him moving into the because remember he's on the field a distinctive move away right remember when he takes away his freedom remember what he was at like a taco hut opening and he was getting choked up and he said he couldn't play and he was hurt

and he was trying to get away from football well now he's talking about football he's going to be on the football field he's going to be talking to terry bradshaw he's going to be reminiscing about the good old days and it's coming back here comes the it i think taco hut would bring him closer than actually broadcasting the games well that fair enough i i would hope if they do bring him back It goes better than the Ben Watson reunion who they had to release this week after he came off suspension. It is a very W-W-E move

and Gronk is very much a W-W-E guy and fan to kind of come back late in the season. 100% it's happening. Do it. I mean, come on, Ryan Izzo, please. And by the way. I love the analysis of this. Let's not glaze over this.

Rob Grinkowski is going to be an analyst. Okay. Because he's a wrestling fan, he's definitely coming back. What are half of these hires? It's personality, it's charisma, it's shouting at the camera. You know, that's not, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, we're not getting mathematical. I don't know if he's, you know, camera magic when it comes to, you know,

thinking on his feet and breaking things down or what's that going to in a funny joke. I just, I mean, it's a certain skill set to thrive in the job that he's taking. That's all. Might shine. A bunch of regular stand-up comedians in the Fox Sports Broadcasting Group. Please. All right. Let's get out of here.

Yes, here's what's coming up this week. Name names. Thursday. Hey, moose and goose. Let's go down to the Chuggle Hut, please. The Taco Hut? Taco Hut. Our Thursday preview.

So generic. You'll get that. A video show will go up at noon Pacific, 3M. Eastern, 3 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. BT. I guess that's the time zone. News to me. Sky will be at Sky Sports on Wednesday. So if you're from this region, check that out. Inside the Huddle show, airing on Sky Sports, hosted by Neil Reynolds.

The great Neil Reynolds. A venue show at Tottenham Stadium Shop coming up exclusively to Game Pass subscribers. Can we share the number of people that, the number of people that try to get tickets to this? 18,000 people signed up to get the tickets. We had to turn away roughly 17,914. Mark, are we sending those numbers back to Culver City for various bosses and higher-ups to just So we have a shadowy-lake figure is confirming this figure?

It felt like maybe an extra zero had gotten put on there by a typo. That seems outrageous. No, I asked the guy to repeat himself. I'm sorry, you said thousand? I mean, the Charlotte Hornets don't draw that much. I'm starting to think the venue is too small that we booked for our Friday live show. How many are you hearing that? $150.

All right, that's it. Let's catch up on some sleep Let's get some room service Let's snuggle under the blankets together, boys All of us in the same room You and this female ghost in your room Let's go Mark's jealous of your female ghost

You have a robot in your garage You got a female ghost in your house house on? Dan Hansa signing off for the quiet storm The Mailman The old boss of Ricky Hollywood On the Machine Till Thursday Thank you.

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