NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Mocking the Top of the 2024 NFL Draft with Josh Norris

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler react to news from around the NFL including Hasson Reddick being traded to the Jets (03:10) and Bill Belichick's latest endeavor (11:35). After the break the guys are joined by Josh Norris and give you a mock draft of the top-ten picks of the 2024 NFL Draft (16:47).  Note: time codes approximate.  NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Would eat more pistachios than Joey Bosa. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal. Sitting in the host here for Dan Hansus today in the Chris Wessling podcast studio in a room with one hero. That's Mark Suss. Well, you're a hero.

That would be two. We've got two heroes. We've got Eric behind the glass. We've got Christy and Cynthia back there. We've got a gang. We've got a legion of thousands. Randy, okay, I'm in a different chair, and the glare is difficult. We were left to wait, though, to start the show, Mark,

by, you know, like the number one diva at NFL Network, moved the sticks doing his mock draft live show. Yeah, they were producing it, you know, in a different part of the building, but through our, you know, behind the glass area. And so we started late because Daniel Jeremiah and, you know, his cast of characters refused to go quiet when we needed them to. Right. Who cares about Jeremiah?

You know, it's his time of year. And he just flexes his muscles because he's Mr. Draft pushing his weight around. Yeah, I think that's well said. And it's, you know, it's a surprise character reveal for an aspect of DJ that you wouldn't often claim to see, but it's ripe right now, and he's doing what he's typically doing at this time. Now that said, we are trying to book him for the show at some point. Yes, so he

doesn't, you know, we just eat this. Get some expertise. Dan is in Hawaii, the official highfalutin location for around the NFL vacations, apparently. Our kids are both on spring break for these two weeks, so I was there last week, he's there this week, and then we really

start cranking up back to three days a week. Sounds like I missed a fun week here. Just a lively, a lively couple of shows. Or are you and Dan renting the same place out in Hawaii? I don't know that, but it was a lovely time. We got the Watanabe's together, her parents, my parents, together for the first time in, I think 15 years, something like that. So it was lovely. And now we're back and we're going to have a couple draft-centered shows here.

we got Josh Norris coming on in just a little bit to go through our first mock draft of the season. We're going to each put our heads into the general manager's minds really and go through the top 10 picks. We'll also have a couple picks that we would like to see. And we didn't do this ahead of time. We're not reading all. Like anything could happen in this.

I don't know what's going to happen. I'm very excited for it. Josh Norris, one of the great draft minds out there. Just one of the great football minds over. at Underdog. But before that, we just got a little bit of news, Eric, from behind the glass. As we all know, I decided to really go ahead and start to take command. One of my all-time favorite drops on this show, Carson Wentz. That went well for him, too, and you could tell right out of the gate that that was going to go smoothly.

I look at this week with Dan Gahn and me just trying to fill his chair as a similar duty, I'm going to be the Carson Wentz in Washington of this program this week. We'll get to Carson Wentz. He's back in the league back in the news in a little bit. But we'll start that, you know, we're just catching up. It's a quiet time of year. There was some news, though, at the end of last week after you taped your last show, Mark, we got the San Reddick situation handled.

And it followed a trend of a lot of trades this offseason where you're like, huh, that's all they could get for that player. And in this case, it was a San Reddick who turned out. to be one of the best free agent signings, I believe, the last 10 years or so for what the Eagles got out of them, going to Dan's Jets for a 2026 conditional third round pick. So if you remember, Bryce Huff signed with the Eagles in free agency. Reddick, a similar type of player, just older,

ends up getting dealt to the Jets for minimal cost. What do you think, Mark? I love it. I have thought that the last three or four seasons of Hassan Reddick have shown who he is. And so if there was some question of Bryce Huff in a larger full time expanded role and like

if what you pay him for that without knowing he's going to fulfill that role, then you know you're knowing Hassan Reddick at least for a couple seasons you're going to get it. I mean there are two players in the league with 11 plus sacks over the past four seasons. It is Hassan Reddick and Miles Garrett. It's a very rare time in the NFL

where a guy extremely productive is just shown the door, essentially because they're like, we just think you're, you're not good enough or we want to cut it off right now before it starts getting bad. They were, I think, disappointed by how some of their edges played last year. We heard Josh Sweat was available. Even though they had a pretty good pass rush. And I think Redick had a good season. Maybe it's something to do with run defense. But it's the same profile as Bryce Huff. It just might be a deal where they didn't

want to give them a new contract. And maybe it's a personal thing. And Hassan Reddick got to the Jets and said that a new contract, you know, we've heard that a new contract is possible, but he says he's going to be happy no matter what. And it might be one of those deals where it's like the Eagles weren't going to give him a contract. The Jets might not either, but they just didn't want an unhappy player there and they essentially decided to move on. And they decided that before this all started and they didn't really get much of

return, but it was too late. I think that's where the conditional thirds consists like the Eagles had it on there, in their plans to move on and they made their big free agent signing an edge. I love it for the Jets. I do. I think, because they're all in for this season. And, like, what happened last year was, like, the total darkness. But, like, this is a player, I think, unless there's a fall off a cliff scenario,

you know what you're getting right away. And I trust that defensive side of the ball, at least to produce. Son Reddick, you remember, was drafted as a linebacker with the Cardinals, kind of just bounced around a little, then had a nice seasons with the Panthers and really hit it rich with the Eagles. in terms of that contract, which to me is low cost, and the Jets are pretty loaded. I saw it thrown out there last week.

It's like, are the Jets like under the radar as like a, you know, a possible contender? I was like, the Jets are not under the radar. They're not. The Jets are not under the radar with anyone. And, uh, but it's a fair point that just like, it's a pretty good roster on paper. Well, and it was last year too.

And it's like you're just, you're going to lose your quarterback and have nothing behind it. But I still think there's questions about what Aaron Rogers will be this season. but I don't know why we would change our expectations from where we were with the Jets a year ago saying they could contend for the division. Sure. And Will McDonald was their first round pick last year.

He's still going to have to probably have a big role, but now he can slide into that third sort of rush a role. They're pretty deep there. They have John Franklin Myers. They have Jermaine Johnson's probably going to start. I mean, it's on paper. That was the biggest item of the news. Unfortunately, it's the time of year

where the police blotter and just updates on what's going on off the field is one of the biggest parts of the calendar. You, I know, hit the Cam Sutton news that he was arrested and everything, but he turned himself into police over the week, and he does not have, not on a team, and I don't expect them to be on a team,

the former Lions cornerback. And then the Vikings suspended their offensive coordinator three weeks for a driving while intoxicated arrest. I just want to throw that out there. Back to the field. We mentioned Carson Wentz. It's not massive news. The rest of the stories, we'll cycle through quickly.

But Carson Wentz, is your Kansas City Chief's backup quarterback now replacing Blaine Gabbardt? I mean, if anything, he's got a ton of starting experience. And they had, like, Ian Book and no one else at quarterback. And it's a post-Blakeboard or post-Blank-Gabert world that they're in. And so I don't hate that. Why is it a play? I guess, Blaine had his run. And it's kind of funny when it's like Carson Wentz is a rich man's Blaine Gabbard, I guess,

in terms of the career that he's had. But I do like Sean McVeigh kind of save Carson Wentz's career. It looked like it was maybe just ending. And then he got back into the NFL with the Rams and now he's got a chance to go win a title. And it would be kind of fascinating to see Carson Wentz play like one game, but that would mean Patrick Mahomes is hurt. Not too much. Yeah, or they've clinched early, neither of which is really that compelling.

So I take it back. It wouldn't be that interesting to see. Carson Wins play. A couple items here. The Jaguars gave FOIA-Con a new long-term contract. That was a nice free agent signing by them a couple years ago. So Trent Balke's got some wins for him and they doubled down by keeping him. We had a restricted free agent offer sheet finally. First time in a while. The 49ers have signed Brock Wright to a three-year $12 million deal. And my son in Hawaii, Walker, he's a little bit of a news addict these days. He wanted me to like...

Where did that come from? Check on Rotow World just to see what's popping, you know, in the news. I was like, not much is going to be happening, man. And it was like, yeah, the Rams re-signed some guy he'd never heard of Tyler Johnson. And then we had this Brock Wright thing. But I had to explain to him what a restricted free agent is. He didn't know, like, well, you can sign him to an offer sheet. And then their team has to have...

five days whether they want to match it or not. So Brock Wright, who I think is most famous for having a big time play against the Jets a couple years ago, long touchdown, but more of a blocking tight end. You might be going to the 49ers unless the lines want to match that. You just don't, I feel like you see maybe one of these, an offseason.

It's not fun. These RFA... But he's like, well, why can't they just be normal free agency? I was like, well, you know, they get to normal free agency in the fourth year, but restricted is the third year. And then there's the whole collective bargaining agreement that they negotiate. And it's like, Is he going to wait, like, is he going to have to wait 15 years to be on a podcast?

Because he sounds ready to just fill in a... Well, I don't know. If we can keep this thing going until then, maybe he'll replace us. Am I on a podcast? Billiuchick is writing a buck. Our friend Andrew Marchand has some sources that says Belichick is penning. We don't know about... I assume it's not a...

What do you think it's a novel? Well, I mean, I'd love to see, like, Belichick craft a mystery novel or something, but I'm sure it's, you know, it's obviously football related, but is it an autobiography or is it like on the topic of something of football related that he's obsessed with? Good question.

I kind of would guess it's closer to the latter or like lessons he's learned and jumping around through different... That's what I would hope for because I don't think he's going to write a biography or like talk about how the Patriots, you know, just go like soup to nuts how the Patriots were built.

It just doesn't seem like what he's going to do but maybe he can sprinkle in like little you know, different stories from throughout his career. Football season, all the things that go with it. Or maybe he's amazing. I mean, his dad literally wrote the book on football scouting. It was called Football Scouting Methods. I have that.

That is, I wouldn't call it a page turner, but it's a... No, it's like how to scout. It's how to, you know, write down, okay, before every play, you know, the safety's here and write down the formation and different things. Do we get the Belichick audio book, though, like, think that... I don't know if that's the best way to go with in the best... I, he really respects the written word. He respects legacy, respects history.

I actually, I was thinking maybe this, later this year, we could do a little, a quick, like, football book club segment or something, mini segment. Yeah. Because I started to reread, and it'll be a quick read. It's this book called Patriot Rain by Michael Hawley. And I think it's signed of it slept on as one of the great football.

We talked a lot about collision low crossers, season in the life. And this is very much in that very much. in that vein. And people think of Belichick is so closed off, not allowing anything. He led a guy from the Boston Globe who took a year off, I think it ended up being two years off, to just hang out with the team for two years.

Be in every meeting, in the coaches' meetings, in everything. And he got a ton of stuff. And it's the 2020, it's 2002 season, which doesn't go too well. And then a little postscript on the next year where they win the Super Bowl. And it's got great stuff in it. And it's, I feel like

no one really, and it's because I think Belichick wanted like he wanted to like have proof of whatever everything happened. He wanted to have a say in it. It's not that he doesn't care. All these like there are so many reverse expectation reports on Belichick where it's like oh actually behind the scenes like he was delightful to me and treated me well and like corresponded and this and that and it's like I I can't wait to see what he writes. I will buy it immediately. I hope I mean it's tough to write a book in one off season. Can he do it before the next season starts? I guess if he's really trying art. I mean he's a hard worker.

I wonder if it's going to mean like Bill Belichick and so-and-so. Yeah. You know what I mean? Maybe. Because they had an unauthorized biography. He hadn't read it yet by Ian O'Connor that's kind of now become his definitive one, which is, you know, I'm sure he doesn't like that he didn't participate in it. And it's his definitive one.

Finally in the news, some sad news, Vante Davis, who had a strong career for the Dolphins. It was drafted by first round. Colts got a big free agent contract. and then the Bills has died at his home in Florida. He, I believe, was only 35 years old. Yeah, and I mean, we're waiting to find out more what happened there. If you have access to the athletic, anyone out there, our friend, Zach Kiefer, who wrote an incredible piece on Chris Wesleyan,

you know, he could have been closer to what was happening with the cults and had many interesting experiences with Vante Davis and wrote an incredible piece on, like, the person, and he obviously wrote it quickly and probably, you know, without knowing a lot about what had happened here, but, man, I don't know, like, this is, it makes me think of something just personally. Like, I didn't even come to the NFL until I was 36,

and so when someone leaves the earth at 35, like there was so much more, so many more years ahead for him, and it's like, it's a tragedy. Yeah, very sad, and he, I think, might be most known for how his career ended, how he retired in the middle of a game, and he even talked about that, that looked like he never would call himself a quitter

because he, as he overcame a home with, you know, an alcoholic father and a mother had drug problems, and both him and his brother, Vernon Davis, turned into pro-ball NFL players. And he said, I'm no quitter. For me to get to where I am, it just, I just had a strong feeling that I was done. And yeah, you mentioned Chris.

I got a tweet today that someone was listened to an old week nine preview of a season long ago. And Chris talking about how great Vante Davis was playing. He was a first team all pro for one season where it just was a physical, exciting player. So rest in peace to Vante Davis. We are going to do our mock draft with Josh Norris. right after the break. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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at Rotow World as the NFL draft expert. He's now married. He's born on July 17th. And I'm going to just say it. He's a YouTube star. Josh Norris, ladies and gentlemen. guys you know what I realized I don't think

and I've been in the show about I don't know three or four times I don't know if I've ever been on this program when Dan has also been on the program so I don't know if this is like a Jennifer Aniston Reese Witherspoon situation where he refuses to do scenes with me but that's what's brewing on my head right now Mark

that is a fair fairly bubbling controversy I didn't know that but I could see us in Dan's absence around this time of year when he, we can kind of rotate our time off, that you'd be a very natural in this, you know, in April into May, a very natural person to come in and talk

draft. I don't know if it's a... Or he's threatened by you. Yeah, it's one of the two. Or he just doesn't like you. It could be any one of these things. That could be it. Like, I am assuming at some point someone can stand on the table, pound the table, and be like, no, we are not having this guest on the show

while I'm on it. And maybe other times my name has popped up for a guest spot. But, but, But now it's impossible for Dan to use my presence. This is completely unfair, frankly, to Dan. Because we were trying to book you. We were trying to get you a couple weeks ago. But magically, it did not work, Greg.

Oh, I don't. That's true. I don't even remember how that happened. I did promise, Dan, that I would, no controversies about him involving him would rise while he was on vacation. Okay. He doesn't want to hear about it from anyone else. So that's good.

And yeah, I mentioned the YouTube. You can check Josh Norris out doing a lot of great content. content at the underdog fantasy channel and NFL draft channel. Hayden Winks is on there and like they have quick videos right during free agency. And I mean it. They are killing the game in the YouTube space. We could learn a thing or two from you. And this is the one like Josh Norris, like you'll be out watching like Monday night football

somewhere and like you're the guy whose commercials pop up. And I'm with friends. I'm trying to like, I know that guy. He's on a commercial during Monday football. It's special to me. Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that. Bank account did not change with those commercials, but, you know, we live and learn.

So next time, yeah, hold out for more, and then they'll just use Hayden. This is going to be a mock draft. It's going to be fun. We're doing the top 10 picks. We're also going to throw in a pick each we just would like to see from the first round. And we're going to start with you, Josh. And that was strategic by me. Now, one hand, the first pick feels predictable, but we'll see.

on the other with 10 picks that means you have to do one more and so that was sort of the strategy on my end Josh knows more than Mark and I about the NFL draft I'm not really going

I'm not yeah I'm not speaking out of school here but we will start with you and our friend Eric will be playing the role of Roger Goodell here with the first pick of the

24 around the NFL mock draft the Chicago Bears select USC quarterback Caleb Williams this is an easy one Caleb Williams is really a slam dunk prospect and I know that obviously there were some

down plays in comparison to his previous season but really you kind of see the Aaron Rogers vacation or even some Patrick Mahomesness in his game in terms of off platform throws releases and kind of like those guys Greg you kind of get a sense that his in play in rhythm stuff is a bit undervalued at this point on top of it so he played in a pitiful team with a pitiful defense was forced to put the pedal to the floor at all times and try to carry them but in the NFL cannot wait to watch what Caleb Williams does with this really good situation

that the Chicago Bears have set him up for. Those plays are there, though. Like, in a way that they probably weren't there as much for Mahomes coming out and why I think Mahomes fell a little further. It's like you just, he wasn't even put in the position to have as many what the NFL would consider traditional dropback plays where he sets his feet, goes through his receivers and hits him in rhythm, gets to his second third. Like, Mahomes didn't really have that chance.

and Cliff Kingsbury is the guy that connects these two. And maybe Caleb Williams' sophomore tape with Cliff was somehow worse than his freshman tape without Cliff. That's like another topic. But those plays are all there. So you see it all. And I'm looking forward to seeing what he's going to be like at the NFL level. But the one thing is not, I guess, Mark, which is interesting

because you think of him up there with the Andrew Lux and Trevor Lawrence's as one of the best prospects we've seen in the last, Joe Burrow last 10, 12 years. To me, he's not doing it by just like, he's Josh Allen with a monster arm. He's more of like a 20-24. He has enough arm and he can do everything else just at an extremely high level with the wow plays too.

And it's hard for me not to factor like the Cliff Kingsbury angle into that too. I have lost a fair amount of faith in Cliff Kingsbury and we'll get to him in a minute. But I mean, there are like, I think the destiny of these. quarterbacks has a lot to do with the fact that the best quarterback is typically going to a team

that's a trash bag and they have a nice assortment of players around. I think the Keenan Allen trade to go with teachers. It's like he's in a good position to have a faster start than if he had gone to some lost organization in the forest. But before we move on, because

I do think we have a tendency to kind of like overlook the one pick after a while because it's like right. For gone. Especially on this show, we haven't actually talked about Caleb Williams that much. two things. Number one, like what watching,

you know, watching the tape sort of impressed or surprised you the most. And then number two, I'm curious like what you think his rushing value will be

as a pro. You know, you're a fantasy guy. So that's certainly a big, but it's also a big reality part of his game. Well, I mean,

any of the top 10, top 12 quarterbacks in the league now, you have to have some level of athleticism once things break down or don't go the way that you want to, you know,

on the play sheet. And he has that, especially if you go back to his stuff at Oklahoma, he is, like, stronger than you think when running the ball and people bounce off him. And there are some insane runs on top of that in that small sample. What I was reminded of, because you can check out the box scores, you can check out all that stuff. But, like, the game against Washington this season, for example, you know, a team that was vying for the national championship, the Huskies scored a touchdown on eight of ten of their drives in that game. Like it was similar situation like that every single time he touched the field where he basically had to score a touchdown or it was bust. And so, yeah, there were 100% instances where he puts more pressure on his offensive line than was necessary. But I feel like you have to do that in order to also get the wow plays that also come along with that.

And he also was trying to buy time I thought in order to allow for those extended plays to allow his wide receivers to get free because maybe. Maybe the play call was bad. And again, those out-of-structure moments they could kind of separate from their corners. Yeah, it was just the balance that he played with of, hey, I can quickly throw the football because I know exactly what the coverage is pre-snap. And then I see it again post-snap. But then also the elongated magician stuff, which, again, separates, you know, you

being from a top 10 quarterback to a top five overall quarterback in the league. Yeah. And you mentioned that Oklahoma year. He does have a nice balance of he's not an old. prospect, but he does have plenty of experience. He threw a couple hundred passes for Oklahoma, and you're right, he ran for 442 yards that year. And then last year, you know, by the time he got to what essentially was a senior year

for USC, he all but refused to run, except for touchdowns. And, you know, he did score 27 touchdowns as a college player in 21 over the last two years for USC. So it was interesting, but I think that was because, He knew where he was in the draft. He didn't need to run, but he certainly should be able to. Mark, you have the second overall pick. We haven't heard a lot of buzz about any trades.

And we are allowing trade proposals to happen in this draft. We'll just see what happens. But unless anyone has a trade for the number two pick, you are going to be. Yeah, I wanted to shake things up, but there is an element of logic to this. And we're going to see what happens with the Washington Commanders. With the second pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft, the Washington Commanders select. Jaden Daniels, quarterback, LSU.

Now, like, digging into this, even, you know, where we were like a couple, like three or four weeks ago, it was like, oh, it's Drake May. And it's like, I just feel that the tide is turning a little bit more, we're hearing more and more about the fact that this could be Jaden Daniels. I am, I feel like the, the Drake May review. have been sort of all over the map and I think it's interesting that

compared to past commanders operations you're not hearing much of anything at all about what they're going to do so I think this is a true interesting mysterious number two pick I go with Daniels I think he's kind of he does a little bit of everything like his dangerous nature on the ground is fascinating to me

he has five seasons of starting experience I think that matters with these quarterback college quarterbacks a lot to me football intelligence pre-snap intelligence. I guess for me he's got a rare blend of arm talent

running ability. He's got Cliff Kingsbury as his offense to coordinate. We just mention that. I think that's a that is a bit of a wild card. But Josh, how do you feel about me going Daniels over Drake Mayher? Well, sidebar here. Greg, as the man

with the most accurate mock draft of all time, we know that obviously mock drafting is all about time. That's you, not me. That's you, not me. To be clear to our audience. That was you two years ago. You've been living off the fumes of that mock draft ever since. We didn't hear much about your last year's mock draft. But yes.

Sorry, what was your question? Mock drafting is all about dot connecting. So, Greg, I have seen people try to connect the dots of, oh, they signed Marcus Marioada as the backup quarterback. They trade away Sam Howell.

Does that mean that they are citing more with the Jane Daniels type than the Drake May type? I'm not buying into that as much. What say you? No. I don't know how Marcus Marriota could have a lot to do with it. Right. And when was the last time? Yeah, I know Mariotta can run a little bit, but he's not Jaden Daniels. I mean, he's nothing. I mean, it compared, he's nothing close to Jaden Daniels.

I am not saying this. Sam Howell for what it's worth is like as good a runner, if not better than Marcus Marriota. It makes no, that makes no sense to me. I just can't imagine anything to do. Like this, this choice is their franchise. It changes their franchise. it's the biggest choice their franchise is going to make for the next seven, eight years, in their minds, hopefully more, the fact that it would, like, that Marcus

Marioada's signing would somehow indicate what's going to happen, I just can't buy it. One little dot connector, though. In the mock dress, go ahead, Mark. Well, I was going to say, like, Brian Kelly, and maybe this is nothing, but he, you know, was glowing about Jaden Daniels in an interview and basically said

Washington is going to be very happy with what they get. And it's like, okay, like, maybe you're just saying this is the second best quarterback in the draft, if not the first in your eyes, and he's going number two. But that kind of one, it makes me wonder if Brian Kelly just knows something. Wow.

Well, I actually think the Marcus Mariotta connection is more about Brian Johnson, who they brought in is like, I think they're past game coordinator, and obviously they have time together. That's literally, that's it. That's only, it's like,

who's available and I just, I just worked with this guy, who's available as a backup quarterback. With Jake and Daniels, he is a fascinating player. And obviously, it's interesting. It's very Philadelphia Eagles to me.

Honestly, you have two alpha wide receivers on the outside that both might be top 20 picks this season. You had a fantastic offensive line. You rarely attack the middle of the field because when you have rushing success, obviously that and especially with the hash marks can turn, you know, these one-on-ones in the outside into enviable matchups. And so you just have deep shot after deep shot over and over and over again. And it was no under center work, which is not a surprise. but I just wonder if like if you compare levels

and I actually don't think the commanders in terms of pass catchers is a as a bad situation to walk into you have you know Jahan Dotson obviously Tara McLaurin on top of that but man it was just an ideal situation for Jane Daniels to work in but the same time he totally maximized it that is like underselling it it was obviously a Heisman trophy season but there are just some weird wonky numbers underlying in terms of his profile like everybody Nate Tice pointed this out only

that he's old. That he's old. He's dropbacks resulted in a pass attempt. That was 193rd out of 196, you know, and he just rarely attacked the middle of the field. But I really like him as a prospect. I just prefer Drake May as a player. Right.

He, like, I think it, you know, this is the first of his three senior seasons, uh, he set his career high with 388 pass attempts. Other than that,

he was like 300, 327. And that's, you know, playing every game. And the age thing does matter to me a lot. Not that it's going to prevent you from being a great quarterback right off the bat.

He clearly needed that time in college to develop and I think it's going to work out for him and make him a better player at the pro level, but that if you're comparing him to a guy like Drake May, who's so much younger, how can that not make a big difference? Now, that said, he might enter the league as, you know, he might be the newest best running quarterback ever. Also, like, right?

I mean, he's like, if he, Start 17 games, isn't he going to have a chance to break the all-time rushing record? I mean, as long as he stays healthy, I know he's got a frame that you worry about a little bit. But he takes like car crashes every time. Right.

But his running is just outrageously good. His straight line speed is crazy. Yeah, it's really ludicrous. That's pretty exciting. Let's table an age conversation when we get to Drake May because I actually think it's like more of an optimistic lens of him then it might be like a downside of the

Okay, that's absolutely fair. And yeah, to put some context on it, yeah, Jaden Daniels ran for almost 3,000 yards over the last three seasons, including 1134 yards in 12 games. I know it's just counting staff and stuff, but you watch it. Weasley, the only player in FBS history

with 12,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing. It's just outrageous, but I always am a little anxious about the guys who, you know, you mentioned Nate Tyson. He has it more as like a late first round type of grade And that's, you know, as early as, you know, as late as like mid-August, early November, the draft Nix, maybe they were just off all along, but they, they did not necessarily see him as QB3 or even in the first round conversation at all. And we've seen guys like that shoot up fast.

Mariotto was, was he kind of one like that? Maybe not. RG3 absolutely was where no one had any idea RG3 was going to be the top two pick until the end of the season. And then he was. All right, let's move to the third. pick. And for the first time, we do have a trade proposal on the board. Whoa. So the Patriots are on the clock. Drake May is available. And I as take, I'm the also taking

the six pick and the nine pick. So I hold the Giants pick. So I am actually proposing a trade from the Giants to myself as as the Patriots. Hold up. Yeah. Why? Hold up. Why? Why? Well, one, the Minnesota Vikings have far more draft Capitol Hill here. And my old co-host, Josh McCown, was the high school quarterbacks coach of Drake May. Their entire offseason has been built towards trading for a quarterback in the NFL draft, already making a move to have two first round selections. So you're going to go here to the giants that have just a six-fit, a second-rounder and a third-rounder. Well, once you see the offer, you know, they're trying their best.

to make it as enticing as possible. But if you want to throw in a Vikings trade proposal, I don't know what the rules are here. You know, they're outside the top 10. Sure. Okay. Pick 11, pick 23, and a 2025 first rounder. There is no way the Giants can top them.

That is a lot. Another first. Okay. And that is a great position. You know, I think this is the Patriot's dream because I don't know, but I just would guess that they'd rather draft Drake me than Jaden Daniels. And then I'd also love to be in this. Right.

what do you say like what what's your read here is it because either they take one of the top three quarterbacks or they try to build and go with chicover set for a year well we'll see you know i think this is the best scenario because i think this is where they would get the most trade offers i don't i don't necessarily believe all the smoke on may daniels i think more teams would still be interested in may and and certainly the fall off is is large uh the giants are going to offer um obviously you know the number six pick you only have to move back three spots you're still extremely high. You're going to get one of those wide receivers

if you're the Patriots at that six spot. If you want them, you got your second round pick this year that they picked up for Lenny Williams. You got your first round pick next year. And then they're also going to throw into the trade in agreement

that they will release a statement as a team that acknowledges luck was a significant contributing factor into the helmet catch in winning that Super Bowl. Just admitting that, hey, sports, luck matters. Luck was a significant contributing factor.

They also, as part of that statement, will say that while they believe Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer, they recognize that Philip Rivers has had more seasons where he was universally recognized as a top five type of quarterback, maybe six, seven of those seasons versus one or two for Eli. And so they recognize that Philip Rivers should go in first, but they still do support Eli. So that is part of the trade offer as well.

There's a lot of Greg stipulation-based desires. I don't know what you're talking about. But I do think that all those admissions might be more valuable than that third first round pick from the Vikings, Josh. Where is Dan when you need him, guys? Where is Dan where you need him?

This is why it's fun sometimes. You've got to throw in what you like. And you know what? They got all those offers. And let's go to Eric here. With the third pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft, I think it's the Giants now? Is that what we decided?

No, the New England Patriots are saying no to everything. They're going to humiliate the Giants by leaking that they offered this in the first place. So they get the win there. They've been recording the conversations, actually. They're bringing it back to SpyGate. They're saying no to the Vikings. They don't care. They want Drake May.

They were hoping Drake May would fall and they're just taking Drake May. that's a lot of a dramatic buildup to that decision well done i mean you got to get you got to get the offers you got to see what's happening but as a patriots fan and i think if you're a patriot's team this is the the most perfect thing that could happen to them they were in what a lot of people thought was a two elite quarterback draft they fell to three with that that late weird win against the broncos uh but may falls to them and he to me is everything they could want in a quarterback and all those picks are great, but they could go 10 years

without having a chance to find a quarterback like this. Did you think that you were going to have to make this decision around Jaden Daniels? Yes, and if the offers had come in for Jaden Daniels, I think the Patriots would have been much more open to making that trade.

And I, as a fan, am torn because I've always wanted like a fun running quarterback as a Patriots fan. And so if they take me, If they, right, Drake May is that guy too. But I'm saying Daniels also is that guy. And so he's a guy that if they end up taking him at three, I'm not going to be disappointed. I'll be excited.

But I would understand to trade down more. If it's May on the board, I think don't get too cute. Just take me. That's my own personal opinion of what they should do. It's only April 2nd. I would not be shocked if like J.J. McCarthy's name gets mentioned in this top three instead of top four. I think so. Doesn't that feel like a Patriot?

They are. Bucky, our colleague here, had him, I believe, in the top three and had May falling out of the top 10 recently or something crazy. Drake May is a fascinating player because his first season as a starter, his second one at UNC because he sat behind Sam Howell's first year, was incredible. And then he loses Josh Downs. He loses, you know, his offensive play caller.

I thought the environment was really pitiful this year. and it's really highlighted in some situational numbers. I mean, he had 76 snaps this season, just dropbacks, in third and seven plus situations. By comparison, Jaden Daniels only had 39 of those. Caleb Williams, J.G. McCarthy had 58 of those. And he actually had 36 occasions of third and 11 plus situations. So that means his team lost yards on first and second down

and he had to try to carry them out in those third down. And look, it is on my radar, that all these former NFL quarterbacks that know way more about football than I ever will. And Chris Sims, JTO Sullivan, Kurt Warner, whoever you want to talk about, are down on Drake May. Like they are legit nervous about him missing layups,

about mechanics and all this type of stuff. But I go back to what you mentioned earlier where we didn't even see Jane Daniels have like 25, 30 touchdowns until his fifth year of playing college football. You can say the same thing about Bo, Knicks. You can say the same thing basically about Michael Pennix, right? Drake May's first and second years were just as productive as those two. So just imagine if he had two or three more years of college football, if he was able to iron out some of those mechanics issues or understanding

coverages and seeing blitz packages, so and so forth. So like to me, this is, like, he'd be beaten up on those 18-year-olds of when he was 24. It'd be like the guy at the YMCA playing against kids. And that's what makes this year of quarterback analysis, I think, so interesting is because you literally have guys who played for five years versus comparing them to played for one or two years at a position that is obviously the most important. You'd have Jacoby Percette, which is about as good of a backup or fringe starters as you'd want in that situation.

Do you see Drake May as like a weak one out there on the field or do you need to work with him a little bit and maybe slow cook him as a rookie? I think he can play immediately. Look, I think no matter what you're going to when you're going to play him, you're going to have to kind of live and die by these luky plays at times. But again, he might ruin a drive here or there. But at the same time, he's going to make some crazy, insane plays that few other quarterbacks can't. He loses his brain a few times, but sometimes in the best way possible and sometimes in the worst way possible.

Right. I think there's a lot of similarities between him and Caleb Williams. And I think it was a good debate between the. two of them for for much of the season but you you see may and you just see the the size uh and the athleticism and the arm right to me he's he's not josh allen because as a prospect they're very different but seeing him in such a difficult situation that draig may had to overcome you can project that forward to a situation like the commanders will be in like the patriots will be in and i think he excelled at those and you do see him doing some next level and in

quarterback protection changes and going through his, like doing all the quarterbacky stuff that gets you excited and just crazy, crazy athleticism as a thrower, as a runner, just like everything that I think you would want as a college prospect. And to me, if he was in last year's draft, there was like a good chance he'd go over Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud. And yet now he's in this class and he might go third. But I kind of don't buy everything that's been coming out. I think it's just, I think it's just chatter. I think it's just talk. I think the majority of teams, you know, it's different flavors,

but the majority of teams would have him a strong number two. Two quick things. I would put him after the Bryce Stroud Richardson group. And then number two, on Twitter, actually, I was able to sit down with Colt McCoy and Drake May and go through one of his full games during Super Bowl week. And that video is out there on Twitter. People want to watch it. it's him breaking down his own tape

it was against Syracuse and yeah those protection plans blitz packages fading away from pressure looks all of it he was able to outline and diagnose it all and kind of talk us through it so it was a really enlightening experience and so I'm obviously a bit biased because I certainly was not able to do that with

Caleb Williams or Jane Daniels or whoever else I named my son after Colt McCoy so I'm quite jealous that you have had this sit down with one of my favorite NFL He's got a whole show with him one day mark maybe we can not you know exchange numbers here and uh you and colt mccoy could just have your own episode of the show just the two of you oh i would i would uh this show we're not going to try to help you out yes let's have colt mccoy uh all right we'll move on and we will pick up

the speed uh for the next uh seven picks uh but look the top three is exciting and i still just go back to what drake may did as a freshman technically it played you know but as a red shirt instrument is outrageous in the ACC, having the season he had. And so if you put that sort of tape out there, that is possible. And I would be very excited if he was a New England Patriot. We're going to take a quick break. We'll come back with pick number four. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. Josh Norris, we are back from the break. You have the fourth overall pick and unless any trades are coming, I think you're ready to go. I mean, it's not just that the phones are humming

at Arizona Cardinals' headquarters. Montiasonfort is also on the phone. The man loves to make a trade as we saw last year where he traded back in the draft from what, pick number three, then back again forward to go and get Paris Johnson, Jr.

The Minnesota Vikings, as I outlined, this is the team that their entire offseason, has been built towards drafting a quarterback. They have picks 11 and pick 23. We can throw in a first rounder as well on top of that next year. And I mean, I think Arizona Cardinals, it's very clear they have their quarterback and they need to bulk up and build up in a whole bunch of other places.

And so a deal is going to get done. Wow. Wow. I mean, I also don't consider that surprising at all because the Vikings are a completely positioned to do it. Let's hear what they do. we have a trade yes we just heard it Arizona Cardinals are trading the fourth pick

to the Minnesota Vikings and selecting no we we heard all that but yeah but doesn't he rehash it you know just seven come on man I'm playing along go Josh selecting Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy this is though contingent that I believe

Mark is up next that Montiazza Fort can then get on the phone with Mark Sessler and work on deal with potentially the number five pick or we'll see how that goes yeah that may or may not happen but j jay mccarthy as we've talked about situations there wasn't a better one in all of college football last year and just to outline some of those numbers um he only had 91 attempts in the fourth quarter last year only 38 attempts in the entire second half uh but this offense was really built on being super productive on first and second down running the football and then when they needed it And if you go and watch his, like, third and five plus plays when it was pure, obvious throwing situations, I thought J.J. McCarthy maybe had the best look of any quarterback in this draft class.

And you talk about deep play action under center where all of these Shanahan McVeigh coaching tree and play callers are coming from. Obviously, Kevin O'Connell loves to do that. J.J. McCarthy was really, really good in those scenarios. So in some ways, it's a plug and play approach. or if you want to sit and learn, understand Darno for a little bit, you've got that one, too. I love the landing spot. And I think the only thing that I kind of suspect is that over the next, you know, three plus weeks, that J.J. McCarthy might go up a spot. I really think he could be picked before some of these other guys.

I really do. I also think there's, there's the Jim Harbaugh, like, has hyped him up and everything. But it's like, I really, like, believe that this is, like, what the Vikings are heat-seeking a quarterback. I don't know if they'd have a problem getting here at number four versus maybe even higher up with the Patriots, but this is a perfect landing spot for J.G. McCarthy. I just love that all these guys are so athletic. I mean, J.G. McCarthy is like a freak athlete.

And, you know, I look at you, Josh, and I think Panthers fan. And I think when Cam Newton comes into the league, it's like none of these guys are Cam Newton, to be clear. He was a unicorn. But it was like one guy like that with great athleticism would come in, you know, every few. That disrupted the league. Right.

It changed the league. Like, and it would be every five years or something. I'd most someone like that. And none of them are quite cam, yet they're all like, better than, it's a prerequisite now. They're better than like the second or third in terms of athleticism than like the second or third most athletic quarterback from 15 years ago, literally all them. And McCarthy is one of those guys too. So it'd be fun to see them in a McConnell offense.

All right now, or in O'Connell offense. You have the fifth pick here. Mark, and apparently you're going to get a trade proposal. We've heard some buzz from the Cardinals. I mean, Mark, if Monty Austin Fort gives that cell phone a call, this team before this trade already had the 27th pick in the first round, the third pick of the second round, the second pick of the third round, the 26th pick of the third round. The Cardinals are loaded, right? So why not allow them to move back up here for Marvin Harrison Jr. And get and get Kyler Murray an alpha wide receiver?

I have one. It's an attractive attempt. It's an attractive logical offer. And I think that the Chargers all along, especially if one of those quarterbacks slipped beyond number four, which I don't think will happen, they are a very prime target location. And I could see them being tempted by it. But I also look at a team that right now is trying to float to their fan base and to other teams that Josh Palmer and a wait and see, Quentin Johnson are your lead wide outs. I don't like that at all. I don't think they went into the offseason planning to move on from Mike Williams and then have the Keenan Allen thing happen the way that it did. I mean, that just can't be where you're going into this year. And I know there's other wide outs and stuff, but Jim Harbaugh... The same way with the Patriots, let's hear what they do. With the fifth pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft,

the Los Angeles Chargers select. Marvin Harrison Jr. who, I mean, who has better eyes on what this player is than Michigan's Jim Harbaugh. Like, he absolutely understands what he is. I mean, there are, he's quoted out there as glowing over Marvin Harrison. I think there's this idea that they're not going to take a white out. They're going to move on. They're going to do something else.

It's like, why do you not take, first of all, NFL bloodlines? It just starts and ends with me on that. And it's the perfect Justin Herbert tandem piece right there. I don't know. It just feels like it's foolish to overthink this one. with this particular player? I think depending on the offer, if they would be tempted

to move down to a team like the Cardinals at 11 still getting a good pick in this draft, just because it's their first year there. And it's like, can we, like the Cardinals are trying to do, can we get a bunch of our guys to reset our program? But Harrison is at seems as a safe and exciting an explosive, a prospect as, you know, you could possibly want at wide receiver. I just love, like, the ball skills and people have just almost gotten bored looking

for, like, little negatives, and it's tough. I don't think he plays like Larry Fitzgerald, but he reminds me of Fitzgerald just in the way that he's just everything. Well, just that he's the most bulletproof prospect since Fitzgerald. And I don't think it's just hindsight that now we look back and say, well, yeah, that Fitzgerald take was right. It was like, there's only been a few of those guys. Joe Thomas was one.

Fitzgerald is another that like going into everyone, everyone decided like, Hall of Fame is sort of the over under for this guy. And I feel like Marvin Harrison is that guy too. And for him to be there at five, that's tough to pay. I'm going to be like disappointing if he isn't a Hall of Famer. Or like,

the way he's talked about in feud. That's like unfair even to say. But yeah, pro bowler. I mean, that sort of guy where it just, it's almost can't miss. Yeah, he's a prototypical ex-war receiver. And remember like when Chip Kelly and out of this, This is Harbaal's second term in the NFL.

Remember when Chip Kelly came into the league and he basically drafted or signed any player that crushed the Oregon Ducks. Right. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Jr. putting five catches for 118 yards in a touchdown just on this team last year. And that was without C.J. Stroud.

I will say, I think the big dilemma here with the Chargers and I agree with you, Mark, where I think people are taking the, hey, we got rid of Mike Williams and Keenan. And that means we're just not going to use Justin Herbert. but we're not going to throw the football. They're taking that way too far. I think more so it's, hey,

we want to get younger and faster at the position and healthier. And the defensive players are the ones that were willing to rework their deal and the wide receivers were not. But I think the big dilemma here with the charges is,

hey, do we find our, do we trade down and find our right tackle? Or do we take one of these alpha wide receivers? And it can go either direction. And I like this move 100%. I did too. The Giants are next up.

Number six. stands what offer from the Arizona Cardinals pick 11 okay and pick 27 for pick six that's intriguing I mean the Giants obviously are open to moving up and down the board they were just you know embarrassed by the Patriots organization you look at what the giants you know have at wide receiver and again I think it matches up pretty well with what they need I you know I've seen people to decide. It's like, okay, they could be trading up for a quarterback, you know, would they want to go tackle? They just sign, you know, Jermaine Illuminaur, but he could play

guard. Like, you're not giving him too much money or anything like that. And I'm like, hello, their number one receiver is still Jalen Hyatt or Wondell Robinson. It's like, you've got a bunch of like fun pieces there. That's been their receiver group for a while, Slate. And you've never had even anyone close to a guy. And you got a couple guys on the board. And yet, I actually think it'd be smart to take that trade. This is a team that needs so many things that I'm going to do it with you, Josh. I'm going to take those picks.

Love that. The Arizona Cardinals are trading backup to the number six spot and selecting... Well, now you're the Cardinals. I don't even know. We're taking Malik neighbors. Yeah, we are.

I thought you were the Cardinals now in this scenario. it sort of breaks my brain that we're trading from outside the top 10. We're only going to top 10. It doesn't matter. Man, talk to me. I know you like to do the wide receiver breakdowns. Just what was watching the neighbor's tape like for you?

What if I told you this is like jetpack Brian and Iyuk? Would that be interesting for a wide receiver prospect? I will say his length isn't as great. So like contest situation is not as good. But if we're talking about a guy who can already run routes, who already anytime he has the ball in his hands can turn it into an explosive game-changing play who's I think 20 or almost 21 years old like Malik neighbors is is something special he forced the fourth most mistackles the season and he was the only one of that top four who had an

a dot beyond eight yards down the field in fact his average up the target was 12 yards down the field uh despite all those force miss tackles he only had 14 screen catches so it's not like these were easy targets, they were intermediate, they were down the field. I mean, you guys have heard the whispers that some teams have, him has the wide receiver one. I will say, I prefer Marvin Harrison Jr., but they basically had the same amount of explosive plays, 15 plus yard gains over the last two years. And it's really easy and enticing to fall in love with the guy who catches a slant

like Odell Beckham and then runs it 45 yards for a touchdown, you know? And he led the, what he led college football last, here in the 20-plus-yard catches. To your point, breaking tackles, you know, at depth of field there. And just like the team before them, they absolutely need a wide receiver, Arizona. Like, you can't go into this season

with what they have. And so I think it's a sensible trade-up for a star-type player. Right. And he'd be the wide receiver one in many years, even some strong years. It is, it is fine. I do wonder, like, how much does the Joe Burrow experience

help Jaden Daniels that, like, there was this feeling, it's like, man, he's throwing it, Jason, Justin Jefferson. Is he really that good? Is he really that good? And then it turns out, yeah, actually, everyone can be good. That's totally possible. And so, and now you look at LSU now and, and neighbors and their receivers and you're like, is Jane Daniels? Because the catches, some of the catches neighbors makes are just outrageous. And you give Daniels credit for getting the ball there on time. But neighbors feels to me like a safer prospect, I guess I would put and that makes sense.

Receivers are generally safer at this part of the draft and quarterbacks, but he's another one that it really feels like can't miss. Let's go to the seventh pick, the Tennessee Titans,

which I think is one of the picks that now we're getting into the portion of the draft where it's a lot more of a mystery. The Tennessee Titans, let's go. The Tennessee Titans select with the

seventh overall pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft Notre Dame left tackle Joe Alt this is an intriguing situation because Roma Dunesay is still on the board and I felt like prior to for agency this was basically the recreation of the Cincinnati Bengals

meme that we had this is Joe Burrow with Penae Sewell throwing to anyone down the field or this is Joe Burrow throwing to Jamar Chase while being blocked by no one and getting sacked if you remember that meme I'm feel like I'm seeing stairs. And so this is just a section of Twitter that I occupy and Mark does not.

Anyways, Brian Callahan was obviously on that Cincinnati Bingle staff. And at that time, they chose the playmaker. They chose the wide receiver instead of the offensive lineman. However, the Calvin Ridley deal certainly puts me in the scenario in the path of, hey, we added Lloyd Cushin-Berry at Center. Peter Scoronsky played really well at Lefgar last year. We literally do not have a left tackle on this roster. and so Joe Alt who might have some

Nate Solder-like comparison steps in here as our left tackle. I love it. I mean, we had Grave Digger, our former producer on and he last week, and he predicted the same that this was the perfect fit for them. And you can see certain Titan fans of a certain ilk,

not thinking it's kind of a sexy enough pick when you could have gotten one of these wide receivers, but their quarterbacks were shattered behind that offensive line in years past. And as many issues that they had it wide out, the same was true of their line. and this seems like an incredibly reliable player. Their best off-season move was getting Bill Callahan.

And so you give Bill Callahan the tools to succeed, and I think he can make the rest of the offensive line like 60% better than it's been in the past. Right, because Alt is very athletic and would fit well in that system. I think really improved in his last season at Notre Dame. It does, you know, part of me if I'm a Titans fan, it's like it's a tricky spot because is there that huge of a gap between all and a really great tackle class that's behind them.

Maybe not as much as you would want, but will a tackle be there in the second round when they pick again that they want? No, probably not, because all these guys are going to come off the board. So they're just in like a weird spot where I'd personally be tempted to take a Doonzee, but it totally would make sense if they take Joe All.

Before we wrap up the end of this draft, we're going to take one final break, Be back right after this. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel?

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miss it listen to the move to six podcast on the i heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all right we are back and the alana falcons are up next i don't think anyone's trading into this spot at this point or are we can we can find out with the eighth overall pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft the Atlanta Falcons select. Dallas Turner, Edge out of Alabama. Oh, yeah.

I mean, their offense is set to go. And, like, they obviously, they've, over the past couple years, added so much weaponry, and it's a good setup for Kirk Cousins. Their defense needs help all over the place. I almost went Terry on Arnold here, just because I think, like,

if you're, this new coaching staff, like, you do need to build some, find some foundational pieces on defense. They have had that Jonathan Abram curse where, like, they've not really been able to rush the passer for like 4,000 eons. Dallas Turner is the clear front position player at the edge. It's not the greatest class for that.

I think it's an absolute need filler. It gives you something to build around. And this is the guy I'd pick. I think I see, he's also being mocked to them in like every single mock draft. And it's like, if you can get the best edge rusher at number eight, that's in other years that would never even be possible.

It is. Do you, are you actually surprised, Josh, there's not more excitement, not that there's not more excitement over Dallas Turner if he ends up being the first defensive player. But to me, he would seem like a guy, his profile, his production, his lineage, certainly, his numbers. As a guy that actually would be talked about as like, could he get taken higher in this draft? You know, it reminds me just from a big picture draft perspective of when we had, you know, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson,

Tray Lance, Mack Jones, Justin Fields, where there's like so much conversation about the quarterbacks and also that year

is like Devante Smith and Jalen Waddle and a bunch of wide receivers where also in that draft it was what Patrick Sertan, it was Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons, you know,

falling out of the top 10. Right. So to the point of, am I surprised that there's not more buzz or more noise about it? I just think like the quarterback and wide receiver conversations

are just dominating the entire conversation here. I'm just happy that Grady Jarrett gets a little bit of help because it's felt like he has carried this defense for like a decade at this point. Yeah. They haven't had like a single other person to rush the passer in that time. And they haven't had any additions on defense really in the off season either.

To me, I don't know if that's tipping their hand a little bit or just surprising to me that Rahim Morris wouldn't go in there. But I don't know. I guess I would need to really break it down more. But I've watched some Dallas Turner. And to me, it's exciting. Like, I don't see why he's.

like that much of a work, like a different prospect than Will Anderson, who was a guy who ended up getting traded up for in the top three. To me, it seems like they're, they're similar. And that makes me very happy as, you know, standing in for Ryan Poles. Because I had a couple offers ready as Ryan Poles. And I know Bears fans don't think, um, they're going to do this to possibly trade up. But the way this draft fell with J.J. McCarthy going forth and, and Dunesay still sitting there at 7. I didn't think it was necessary to trade up. With the ninth

overall pick of the 2024 around the NFL mock draft, the Chicago Bears select. Rome Adunze. Oof, I love it. Wide receiver and I don't think it's crazy for the Bears to think about trading up for Adunzee, or if it neighbors winds up being wide receiver 3, which no one expects at this point.

Just two or three spots to complete that offense. And there's a lot of talk of like, well, if they get to this point, of the draft, do they take the highest edge rusher or the highest tackle? And I'm thinking like, man, there are three great wide receivers in this class. And getting Keenan Allen does not mean you do not need a wide receiver. He's on a one-year contract and he's 32. That may work out. It will work out if he stays on the field. I'm confident in saying that. But he's getting older. Like, he had a great year last year, but it might work out best for the Bears that he just has one

great season for them and then they move on and they potentially get a comp pick depending on what happens. Like, man, this would be huge to add a guy that, you know, can play outside and you can have Keenan Allen and DJ Moore kind of flip flop playing inside. But Alan to me would be at his best, especially now at this point in his career, he is at his best in the slot. And you'd have to say that like Ryan Poles on paper would have looked genius over the last two off seasons to what he's done. You put your rookie quarterback. And the bears have not really found that rookie quarterback for as long as we've been following the sport. They've been allergic to that. And one of the biggest stories in the league is what's happened to the NFC North over the past

couple of seasons and how different the lions are. The Packers suddenly there's a ton of hope around them. And the bears can't fall behind. This would put them into the forefront of that conversation with one of the best wide receiver groups on paper in the league. And I get they do have a pretty large need at edge. And they're going to try to, you know, they don't have a a lot of picks in this draft right now. They're going to be a candidate to trade down even if a Dunezay isn't there. So I think Pace, though, I think it's go time. It's, it's year four for him.

And to me, that is their biggest need. And I don't think it'd even be crazy for them to trade like a 2025 pick to move up to six or seven or eight if they feel like they have to, uh, to get a Dune Zay. I don't think tackle makes sense. have a good tackle in Braxton Jones. Like you, if you, it's like having a quarterback on a rookie contract.

Like, I know Braxton Jones isn't like an elite quarterback, but it'd be like if Mac Jones turned into the best version of Mac Jones and was just like the 12th best quarterback in the league. That rookie contract would have been great. And that's what they have in Braxton Jones. So don't get, don't get cute.

You don't need to take a left tackle there, especially if it's a deep crop. Forget about it. I'm preaching to the choir here. And I think of a Dunezai isn't here. Then it makes total sense two traits. down because you only have picks 75 and 122 after this after dealing and I love this at points I find myself thinking that teams should trade more middle or late round picks for veterans that

they're interested in and the bears and Ryan Poles have done this you know they made the gallon trade obviously Montes was at the deadline even I think Ryan Bates is going to be a starting player for them this year so yeah they only have two other picks I think right now in the top five rounds at the moment but their D line is pretty weak for a team that uh build the defense slowly right is run by a defense of build the defense slowly. Yeah. And they've, look, they've invested a lot of picks in the secondary and a lot of

money into linebackers. And then Montes Sweat is there. So they've certainly haven't left the cover dry for Evaphy's. All right, the final pick here in our top 10 mock draft goes to Josh Norris. With the 10th pick of the 24 around the NFL mock draft,

the New York Jets select. Hello? Oh, oh, look who we have here. Oh, wow. A little bit of Dan Hansis action. A little bit of production value for our YouTube listeners. He showed up Dan Hansis, who amazingly doesn't actually have in his phone, but he just showed a picture of Dan that he could find on the internet.

So that's good. All right. It is over. Okay. I know so many people want to project Brock Bowers to this selection, but I am bringing in an offensive lineman and Troy Falton. here because I firmly believe that keeping Aaron Rogers off the Achilles injury after just five minutes of action this past season is priority number one.

And they've done everything they could in some ways in offseason with maybe limited resources and signing Tyron Smith to what a one-year contract and making that deal for Morgan Moses. We know Tyron Smith has missed a whole bunch of time despite being a future Hall of Famer. Morgan Moses, you know, mid-30s at this point. and we know that Troy Fontano can play either left guard or even left tackle in a pinch or even be the sixth offensive lineman to start with. And I just think like heavily investing in those resources after you've already added Mike Williams at wide receiver is I think party number one in order for this team to be competitive.

And maybe most importantly for these guys for Joe Douglas and Robert Sala to keep their jobs after this season. Yeah, they can't get too cute here. And it's just because, you know, Mackay Beckton and others that resources they attempted to added line didn't work. You can't just stop. You've got to keep trying because like that was. No matter what happened to Rogers last year and when it happened, it would have happened at some point because there was a shattered offensive line

and everything broke down around it. And so, yes, I love the pick. I would absolutely go tackle here in a good tackle class. I know. I would wonder if they would get... They just love taking guy. The Reddick trade actually made me feel better that, like, they wouldn't take...

Lot too, a lot too. Like, to me, that wouldn't be a crazy pick here. I'm a big fan of his, but now it makes a little less sense with who they have in the building and where they've used their picks. They took Jermaine Johnson. They took Will McDonald.

That makes sense. Before we let you go, Josh, we're just going to do a little quick speed round. Just like one pick you'd like to see in a happen in the first round of the 2024 draft. So we're not doing the special chimes, the amazing production value that happens even without Dan here. But just give us a pick you'd like to see in the first round before we go. Well, I'm going to break the rules and go with pick 33. Okay.

Carolina Panthers selecting save your work. The wider receiver out of Texas. And I understand he's 5-11, 165 pounds, and that's a bit of an exception when it comes to wide receivers. But when you actually go and watch this guy, he is more than speed. He actually tries to play through contact. He actually does try to make, you know, catches outside of his frame. And sure, because he is a bit frail, it's easier for corners to, you know, disrupt the catch point or attack his hands.

But, man, super productive for three seasons. this speed is something that the Panthers desperately need in order for defenses to not sit about 15 yards down the field and be able to drive on everything else. And while I thought just from his combine, Xavier Worthy was just like purely one of these 40-yard dash wide receivers we've seen in the past, I think his game kind of transcends that a little bit.

And he's really exciting. He has tank Delish, to be honest. I love that. And yeah, we'll see if Mingo works out. I liked Mingo coming out. The pick has not worked. But it was only a rookie. and Josh is a Panthers fan.

That's true. One of the only ones left, him and David Ely in our newsroom. And he was fighting the good fight. And I was trying to do it too, looking for the positives and trying to remove Bryce Young from the situation that he was in and see some things. And then Bryce started making it real hard on us the last five weeks of the season or so. But before that, like it was fantastic.

Yeah, before that it wasn't quite as bad as, people thought, and it's like, okay, now we're resetting. You got Deante Johnson. You definitely need a speed threat. Like, Deante Johnson was one of the best moves of the off season, and yet it does not make an entire wide receiver group. What's one for you, Mark? I am looking for, like, a team where I think this player just kind of could fall to

and kind of fits. I know that he's 23 years old, and there's a lot of questions about Michael Penix, Jr., in terms of some of his accuracy and stuff. But Michael Pennix, Jr., to the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean, I think that lay along with the Broncos are like, not the Broncos overtly, I'm surprised we didn't have any sort of trade scenario with them to get a quarterback. The Raiders don't seem as keen on trading up for someone, but someone like this that falls to them and a little bit less pressure on the whole situation.

I think he's an interesting player and I think like him in a Raiders uniform would be a fascinating watch. I had a theory with the Vikings trade into the first round that it was partly about their belief in all the quarter, not maybe not all, but the depth that, that yes, it could be about J.J. McCarthy, but maybe it's also that they're more comfortable than we think taking a guy like Pennix or Knicks, even with that second first roundback, something like that, that they just thought the depth was enough that we're going to get someone we like there. But if Pennix goes off the board of the Raiders, then they would not be able to take him. Greg, I think that's a great point when you consider other quarterback classes like fifth or

six quarterbacks. You're talking about like Jacob Eason or Kyle Trask or like Matt Corral. Like the Michael Pennix, Bo Nix's of the world are so many tiers and levels above those guys that it really does put into perspective

how good this quarterback class can be. Okay. I'm going to throw one pick out. I'm torn. Maybe I'll just do two because I'll cheat. This is what you can do. You got go last to cheat. When you've got the when you've got the power of this chair. It's just intoxicating.

I'm going to give Cooper DeGine to the Packers because I don't want to give him to the Chiefs because I feel like the Chiefs will take him and then suddenly he'll be a second team all pro in like two years. It's like, wait, how did this guy fall? I know he's not like, he's a cornerback. He's clearly, you know, has some versatility,

but he's a cornerback. He's extremely athletic. And I'm getting Kyle Hamilton vibes when I watch him and everything that happened, which is like, wait, are we overthinking it here? I know Hamilton only felt to, to pick 14, but you look at some of the players that went in front of them. They, you know, Jordan Davis went in front of them.

Those two tackles that everyone thought were just can't miss, but they both ended up stinking so far, uh, went in front of them. And Cooper Dejean gives me those vibes, maybe at a little bit of a lower level that, like, he is going to be a different, maybe at the best cornerback in this class. And I just look at teams that could use them later in the first round. Packers and chiefs both come to mind. So I'm going to give them to the Packers. And I'm also going to just, you know, for the hell of it, give, uh, Ladd Macon,

to Lamar Jackson. Let's just get more guys that can get open. Can I throw in one more really quick? Sure. What does it matter? If we make rules, you know, it's a podcast.

There are no rules. Brock Bowers to the Cincinnati Bengals would be fascinating. Oh, they'd need that. Yeah. He was basically Georgia's slot wide receiver. He saw all their screens. He saw all their slot work.

That wasn't Ladd-McConkey. He was more of the outside wide receiver. And obviously that team, unless you want to put like Charlie Jones or Alec Erickson or whoever in there for the Bengals, they haven't really filled in for Tyler Boyd. yet. And so going all in with that selection of Brock Bowers this year would be really, really fun. If he's available, he's such a Bengals pick. They're very much take the name brand guy that's still on the board. They had like 70 tight end

catches last year and it was missing from their offense. So I love that. That would be fun. This would this was fun, Josh. Everyone check out Josh at underdog. Like I said, killing the game, killing the YouTube game. Any final words for you, Josh? Uh, gentlemen, phone will be next to my ear anytime you need me. Um, okay. I always love joining you guys. You guys are the best. Well, we'll, I don't think Dan takes another vacation for a while, but, you know,

and he does. You know, yeah, because your cold war is not ending apparently. We'll compare schedules, guys. We'll compare schedules. All right. Thank you. Uh, thank you to Josh. Thank you to, uh, Roger Goodell slash, uh, Eric Roberts, buying the glass.

Randy Chavez. It's been a pleasure. We can handle this week, Mark. We can do this. without our leader. I think we can too, but I think when Dan returns, we're going to have to suggest that it was chaotic and unproductive and a step down. I'm excited Patrick Claibon is going to join us on Thursday. So yeah, we're doing two shows this week, just like last week. And then we are going to start cranking back up with more shows. Next week. We'll be back to our three

shows a week schedule. Until Thursday, though, we've got to check out if there's any more Patrick Claibon song submissions. For Josh, for Eric, for Mark, go ahead. He'd the call.