NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Most Interesting Offseason Storylines

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe bring you the offseason storylines that they're most interested in, starting with Lamar Jackson's contract situation (13:18), as well as the many decisions facing the Eagles' front office (18:02) and the soon-to-be announced featured team on the 2023 season of Hard Knocks (26:09). The heroes catch up on the latest news, including the Cardinals hiring Jonathan Gannon as head coach (30:16), the Colts hiring Shane Steichen as head coach (34:22), the Rams taking calls on Jalen Ramsey (38:36), Derek Carr's release (41:56), the latest between the Packers and Aaron Rodgers (48:29), reports about Daniel Jones' next contract (51:14), Eric Bieniemy's new job (59:36), Sam Howell's standing as QB1 of the Commanders (1:02:10), and other coaching hires around the league (1:05:56). We close the show with a special edition of Odds and Ends (1:10:29). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is going to Disney World. From the Chris Wessling podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. We back, baby. Oh, shoot. I am Dan Hansis. That is Greg Rosenthal. That was not Mark Sessler's voice, you just heard.

I don't think that's Mark But I can tell you Who it is It's Connie Fox y'all What is this? Collie Wolfe She got that Cardi Flow Mary Tegonzo

She's rep in the Miami Traveling all the globe It's Collin' Wolf The history Is very, very rich Dang. We should roll with this more often. Was this an old submission?

I believe that was the runner-up. Oh, I like this one. Yeah. Maybe we'll switch it up for this last season. Or we could play this one. Jeremy Sharp. Good job, Sharpie. Yeah.

This one might be even better. Oh, this was the one that West liked, right? Others say it's tiny box, but no matter you know who they mean. She's here today on ATN talking with your favorite man. NFL's lone wolf. Her name's Goli, Goli Wolf. Wes was legitimately upset. All right.

I think that it needs to be this one then. He was legitimately upset with me and you, even though you were the one choosing your own song. Wes had very eclectic music taste, and maybe he was into bluegrass and country that particular week. Like it has a John Denvery player to it. Yes, we are back. Thank you to everybody for checking out all that Super Bowl content.

That was a lot of Super Bowl content. You guys were working. Maybe too much. Maybe just about the right amount, Gregie. I don't know. But people seemed to enjoy it. I wanted more on Super Bowl night, just like a little more. Yeah, you know, people should know.

Just like the to be continued ellipses dot, dot, dot. After we had to basically cut short our Super Bowl episode about, you know, let's say seven or eight minutes because we were told the police were pounding down the door. Greg and I and Mark get our stuff together. We're like, oh, my God, we got to get out. Swing open the door and a completely empty concourse. No security, no cops. Did Graver make it up? This is the first time we've seen Graver since.

They were coming into the studio multiple times speaking with aggressive voices. But then they left, I don't know. Yeah, the sheriff with his big hat and like, I'll go home, sheriff. Was he on a horse too, like in the stadium? Security came multiple times. Oh, yeah.

That was like, you got to leave, you got to leave. And then a sheriff showed up and we were like. I'm sorry, don't miss. I'm asking true what I'm saying, Gregie. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying when we swung that door open, it was literally, we could have been in there in the middle of March where the building was cleared completely.

There was nobody there. Tumbleweeds. So where was this presence? Right, I thought it was like a SWAT team situation. When we got out there, we were going to have to duck underneath. Go, team go. I thought we were going to open the door and the red like dots would be all like two in the chest, one in the forehead.

That's a little too much. And it was just like, what is going on? I'm sorry, Greg. I'm glad you guys survived. It's scary. Yeah, no, we went to the field and we saw the chiefs, you know, and the NFL employees were still enjoying that confetti. And it was a party.

It was. We went down there, got some confetti. Colleen, we would have had a chance to get you confetti. You had, and I said, Connie, a couple days before the game, you said, if you guys happen to get down on the field, grab me some green and white confetti. Yeah. And I said, that seems jinxy. And I'm not saying it jinxed the Eagles.

I was trying to manifest good. things how are you feeling now eight days clear i'm coming out of the darkness the big game i'm it's been it's been really tough guys i've really left my house or my couch it's been even just like getting up in the morning and opening the blinds taking a shower like that's hasn't happened that's pretty much it that's what i can do but i did smell something different santaal 33 you know Connie, and this is why Connie, I don't know what that is. Is that a shampoo?

Connie, because she's contractually obligated, did have to do a podcast with me two days after the Super Bowl, the Power Rankings podcast, which you could check out. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. And we did discuss at length 48 hours later post-mortem where you felt. And I think I asked you, although I don't remember

because a lot of things happened since then, where that stacks in terms of worst losses of your fan life. Oh, right. Is that number one? Is that the toughest as a sports fan, toughest loss? For me personally, yes, especially being there live, watching it, and to have the tied turn how it did.

And for everything to be going in one direction so positively and with so much momentum and then for all of it to come falling back down. Maybe the best Eagles team ever, just like the pure the team. I know they didn't finish it. So I think that makes sense. I don't even know what would be. The roster was great. They were healthy.

Everything was going. Big lead at halftime. Holmes limping to the locker room. By the way, NFL films did come through. Talked about this on the Sunday night show. His NFL films moment, the slow motion run on that scramble to get into field goal range. Great job with the music and everything. The sable gang always comes through.

that was obviously anti-climactic the ending as we talked about but but the game itself was tremendous and to your credit you texted in the middle of that madness I think you were down 3527 at that point and said this is like the best game ever or something long it is it still what it still was one of the greatest I would have been throwing up in my mouth it was the Jets I wouldn't be texting anyone I was trying to just like keep it together at that point and I was like when when I when things are falling apart I text you guys usually so that's what was happening i found have you found yourself avoiding like the like the NFL film stuff yes of course i i you know what i found on monday i'm not an eagles fan but i have been rooting for them off and on on this podcast quite a bit and uh you know in general over the last six or seven

years i have a friend that works there and everything and i the next day the day of you're always just enjoying the game it's fun for us to cover the super bowl it's great to be there i still love like Patrick Mahomes and like it's all there. And then the next morning I was like, I felt like they were not my team, but I was disappointed. I didn't want to see any of it. The airport was tough when I saw all like the champion shirts with the Chiefs

gear. I feel your pain. Greg, you know, you're, you're into managing your brand and that you could have had the Eagles over Chief Super Bowl prediction. You could have had it. It was all there for both you guys. It was. And I was just someone just watching it all, soaking it in.

I have to say, oh, it's great for me. to be an NFL fan, yeah. I will say, like, my whole stance going into the game with Patrick Mahomes, who's not a jet killer, he's just this great quarterback who's in a faraway division, and I enjoy his career more. It's no Tom Brady situation for me. Like, it's fun rooting for greatness. It's kind of how, like, I always rooted for LeBron all through his career, especially those

against the mega teams, like the Warriors teams. And that was my favorite, like, non-personal favorite team. team game ever was game seven of the 16 finals where lebron had the iconic block and it was just like here's this dude an all-time great perhaps the greatest and if he's not the greatest he's in the top five taking on the superior outfit and willing his team to victory kind of some of those vibes here with mohomes beating the eagles yeah because i think the eagles were a better team but my homes is maybe the greatest ever no so the chiefs won the chiefs won the super bowl everyone here we are all right let's get this episode going and that's another episode of the around the nvile

podcast. Thank you, Colleen, for joining us. We can contain multitudes. We can appreciate that she's all being disappointed. How was your week? You went to Big Bear. I went to Big Bear this weekend with my throwback podcast partner Bob. Oh, wow. Families. As he was watching to the studio today. It would be just you and Bob. He said it was good. It was big for the bear. Big Bear was big for the bear, the old Zooser. I posted a photo in the in the mountains. They got a lot of pop on the gram. That's a Dan Hans. Shout out. I'm good about myself right now. Was that you with like a bud light or something?

It was a medello. Okay. Which are overseas listeners are like, Got yourself a real beer, mate. It's like, all right, calm down. We really like beer, but I had one and enjoyed it. Like those loggers, those Mexican loggers. But the kids were sledding and building big fires

in the nice house that we all got together and, you know, spending good times. This is a great model shot. This is it right here. Oh, my God. It's definitely in portrait mode. He's looking off to the side. in the distance.

John Denver's curly. I like it when you let it get curly. My partner, my personal partner, Bob took that photo as well. In the woods together.

It's like the third episode of The Last of Us. Before we get to the football, I did want to mention, I was at dinner and I did text to you guys about this, but for the listeners, I was at dinner on Sunday night,

great dinner. At the end of the dinner, and it had great service the whole time. Mian, it was in West Adams. Amazing food, by the way. What kind of food is that? You're my food.

I'm going to eat you. Chinese, but like spicy beef noodle soup and like crazy spicy beef noodle soup and like crazy spicy hot and sour soup and amazing dumplings. There's a few all over. The originals in San Gabriel. People don't know. Greg's a big foodie. Especially big spicy soup. His wife is a chef, a retired chef, but still in her bones.

Yes. And at the end of the meal, he said, I just want to let you know, you know, I'm a big. fan of the show after the meal after the meal right as we're leaving after we pay for the check I'm a big fan of the show and you know I'm sorry what happened to West it was a really big fan of Chris

I grew up near Tybee no way or either I'd lived near Tybee or he'd grown up near Tybee and he said that and it was Chris's birthday and it just felt like I don't know I immediately texted Keith to afterwards just like it felt like it was

like Chris saying hello on on his birthday to me because nothing like that had ever happened on any meal or any day and for that to happen on Chris's birthday. That was. And the same, yeah. And we were texting with Lakeisha. She had some like personal news like really good news for herself and her family that came out on that on the same weekend. Yes, happy birthday. Christopher Wessling. So that's good. That's nice though. And Greg. Oh, it was your birthday too? We share a birthday. Yeah. And we share it with Roger Goodell. How about that? So, right. Happy birthday to Raj. You are 44? I am, yeah. Good work. Congratulations. It's getting up there. It's getting up there. I'm 42.

So now two years difference between us. Until, yeah, your birthday in like four months? When is it? No. Well, I can't get mad at you. I didn't realize it was your birthday. So, April 23rd. Two months.

I blew it. I was like, it's like mid. I was like it's mid to late off seasons. My birthday is many times falling on night one of the draft or in the old days it's your birthday. Get on the plane and fly cross country for the draft. I can't imagine how awful that is. January 2nd is a great day to have a birthday. Oh, bad beat.

Bad beat. Yeah, we occasionally, I think it only happened once or twice, but have a birthday together, Wes and I at the Combine. I remember doing shots with Wes at our first combine together. I think that we have a photo of that. Just joined the company. Because you guys were not, you were bedfellows in many ways, like Bob and I. But you weren't, like, Wes was kind of like a power drinker and he would party. That is not you.

But the fact that you had a shot, Greg was probably feeling a little loose. That means Greg is down to party. We had a bunch that night. That was a wild night. Got to get Greg. Just one night this offseason, Connie, let's get Greg drunk. I've seen him very close. Let's get him drunk, though.

That's fine, yes. Challenge accepted. I love that. Let's pick a day. Okay. And do it. All right, let's get into, we got to get a podcast. Yeah, to a podcast.

Yeah, to a podcast. We're just catching up. This is the podcast right here. It literally is. So we're going to get through all the news that's happened in the past week plus. I do want to, as a way to get into things, a reintroduction. Hi, hello, how are you? I want you guys to share with me.

what is like the big off-season story before we hit the news that you're like excited about like I'm my name is dan I'm a torus okay let's hear your story yeah my off-season story that I'm most interested in non-jets related but kind of related Lamar Jackson I want to say that I the reason I say it is because I feel like we got maybe got a little we got a little bit wrong um the last like big quote unquote update on Lamar when Harbaugh came out in the presser and DeCosta, you know, and they said the 200% chance he's back. And on this show, we were like, oh, well, that's, you know, sounds like that, that thing's settled down. Everything's going to be fine there. They'll figure out something. And then to the point when we had Bridget on the show, which is increasingly looking like maybe a bad decision and not the right choice.

Nobody even brought up the Lamar situation is something that we should look in and get a projection on. Because again, I think this podcast was kind of like oh the ravens are going to get it done some more the like news you're hearing that's trickling out and it sounds like this is very much still open to Lamar ending up somewhere else Peter King was on Eisen's show um last week and you know Kings plugged in and he was thrown out you know the what can happen including Gregie the possibility that the Ravens give Lamar the tag but not the exclusive tag and then allow him to negotiate with another team who could then set the terms of the negotiation.

And if the Ravens choose not to match, they get two first-round picks. And I'm thinking to myself, the Ravens didn't even go that far to let him go talk to other teams. Things could get dicey. Yeah, our colleague, the Pellraiser, Tom Pelliser, Tom Pelliserro, had a similar-ish report, basically saying on Super Bowl Sunday,

there's a bunch of different ways they could attack it, that they're expected to play the place the franchise tag. But I tend to think when these reports come out that there's some information from the team coming and it does feel like they're at least willing to entertain what could happen. Now, if I was them,

I would place the exclusive tag on it. Yeah. And you can still figure out a trade potentially if you are open to doing that. I think they would be crazy. Two first round picks doesn't feel like enough. You know what I mean? No. But, okay, so what would be,

probably wouldn't be a three first round pick thing. Why not? Like, what was the Russell Wilson trade? I feel like that would be someone obviously it looks silly now with how Wilson played but I think that was two first I think maybe a second two twos yep a fifth and they also got and there were players involved and Noah fan Rush Sherlock Shelby Harris it was a first and a second in two draft maybe something considering what the money they guaranteed the contract that seems somewhat close then if it's a two first round pick and then the Ravens don't have to be involved with

the negotiation and they could No, for sure, like what he's asking, that there's teams willing to go that far in terms of the guaranteed money. We're told reportedly it's $100 million apart right now. They got to know. Well, that makes sense to me. So there's been reports that, like, they were offering 130 guaranteed. And how much did Deshaun Watson get guaranteed? I think it was $2.30.

There it is. He wants a fully guaranteed contract. Because, like, why wouldn't you? Right. Right. Because here's, like, the Ravens don't need to find out if a team is willing to. There are multiple teams. seems willing to.

And he's still negotiating his own stuff, right? I have no question. Well, his mom. Right. And they do have like a lawyer, you know, but it's essentially he's his own agent. Yeah. And Mark is not in, obviously, today. But it would perhaps bring him some comfort to realize that, and we heard this from people,

like Steve Weiss told us about this, that after the Watson Brown's contract was done, which was unprecedented in terms of the guaranteed money, it was fully guaranteed. owners were not happy across the league. It's like that's going to set a precedent. Guess what? The Ravens or the Browns are kind of sticking it to the Ravens now because they're getting their feet held to the fire by what the Browns did with that Watson guy.

So there you go. Everything's even now, even Steven. How about that? I mean, they're still stuck with Deshawn Watson and need to make that work. Well, that's a whole separate thing. But yes, if I'm Lamar and Kyler Murray's guaranteed money is what? What was he at 160?

Right. Yeah, he's at 160. 60 and the Ravens are offering 130. I totally am with him playing this thing out because the reality is there are multiple teams I think that would just give him a fully guaranteed contract because that's what it would take to get him.

Yeah, I mean, you can't get anywhere in this league if you don't have a quarterback and they have one right now, so keep him. But yeah. You get more. You get more. You're just being one of them, maybe. They could be one of them. How about you, Gregie? Okay, I got a little more specific. So I'm starting to do the top 101 list. Who are you, by the way? Let me introduce yourself

to the audience. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I was born on February 19th, 1979. That makes me, and Chris, and Raj, a Pisces. But we're like a cusp. Also a Gen X, whereas I am a geriatric millennial as a 1980 baby. But we're like, I'm with you. I think Gen X fits better, but we're also like, we don't really fit the Gen X thing totally.

We're a little too young for that. Tough, tough. Bubble babies. But we're Pisnex is just like a lost generation. What's before Pisces? Because we're like cuss babies, where we sort. of have that like cool laid back dreamer vibe but we're since we're like right on the cusp we've also got that capricorn?

I don't know vibe too so it's all Hocum anyway. No I kind of believe in that more than anything else relatively. Yes Justin. Also a Pisces just wanted to join the party. No wonder. Did we miss your birthday too? No, my birthday is coming up. Oh March 7th.

Okay. Forget it though. I don't need any. He doesn't want any gifts. I don't need any attention or anything on my birthday. I'll just be quiet, and that's fine. Thank you, Justin. I don't know what's happening. You're going to get plenty of attention on that birthday.

Aquarius is before. And my off-season storyline. I was wondering. I mean, if you bring up, if you go out of your way to break into the podcast to say, hey, heads up, I'm also a Pisces, and here is my birthday. No, I just wanted to, like, join the Pisces party. Right, right, right, right, right. It is fun. Um, I don't know.

Now we've got a plan of celebration for Graver. What do you believe in? or what are you talking about? I'm a Pice's, and I'm working on a top 101 free agents list due first draft tomorrow. Put that on the dating profile right at the top. Yeah, and I'm interested in how Colleen's Philadelphia Eagles are going to handle this offseason because I think this is one of the best front offices

in the league. Howie Roseman is amazing. They also have assistant general manager, Alec Halliby, who's been there and been spiritual. heading their analytics department and getting like a new promotion each and every year. And it's kind of their secret sauce, I feel like, there who's been there a long time. And I look at them and I feel like they're the most interesting team in the entire offseason. Because you have that Jalen Hertz contract sitting out there, but you also have a million free agents.

I'm doing this 101 list. And it's like, oh, okay, here's an eagle. Oh, here's another eagle. Here's another eagle. It's mostly on defense where you have. Hargra. Gardner Johnson. You have James Bradbury, who's

more famous than he was a few weeks ago, but was a really good pickup. Marcus Epps, who's a starter. Javon Hargrave, who's my number three overall free agent. You have the guys that you identify with the Eagles more than anyone, Brandon, Graham, and Fletcher Cox. Oh, by the way, you have your two starting linebackers, Kaiser White,

and Tej. Edwards, who I think they can replace, but they both played well, and you think, okay, you're basically restarting on defense. But you still have Isaac Seimalo, who's a starting guard. You have Miles Sanders, like Minchus, their backup quarterback. It's just everywhere. And normally you'd panic a little bit.

I'm feeling of... You're triggering, Colleen. Okay. Here's the reason why... I'm not in my throne. I feel like someone's sitting on my chest. Here's the reason why I'm so excited. They are not like, oh, woe is me.

All this stuff is happening to us. They are going to be aggressive. I think they could make a lot of trades. They are going to restructure. I think they are a team when you look at them and think, like, oh, all this is happening. how much can they even hold on to? They'll actually be among the most aggressive teams

in trading and picking up new free agents just because that's who they are, even with the Jalen Hertz contract out there. So I think defensively, they could be as aggressive as any team out there. We thought that they were in trouble last off season, in terms of like, oh, they've got a lot to do, and look at all they added,

including Hassan Reddick, including Gardner-Johnson, Bradbury. And I just think they're going to be major players over the next few weeks. And I'm fascinated because I think they make so many good moves. I feel like I didn't hear a whole lot of the last part that you said Because I'm just going through the names Their offense is basically set And even losing all those guys on defense

They still have a lot a lot to like All right Yeah and I think Howie mother effort deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point To know the best way to play this I think they're going to be fine And do you see the way that quarterback played? I mean Jaylen Jalen Hurts looked great

I did the stud I know He can get 50 million a year he's going to get paid and then that changes the salary structure again so there is a window that's what hurts there's a window that's what hurt me more

it hurt me more after like seeing him grow for him to have one of the best performances in a Super Bowl I've ever seen and someone responded like this has to be right there with Brady against the Eagles

and Warner against the Steelers as like the best performances ever by a quarterback who lost and I was like yes that's true but I also think it's just one of the best performances by a quarterback. I did rewatch just the Eagles offense, like the

coaches film. Just because I just, I wanted to see how we did and like that was the best game of his life. It was the best game of his life. You can't take out that he gave them six points. Right, which is probably he played beautifully.

I'm just saying if you want to start talking about best game ever, he had a turnover that produced a huge touchdown. Probably why it's like not the best performance by a quarterback ever and it's just right there with Brady and Warner and they didn't have

that huge negative plays but he also had I think PFF had him as five or six big time throws in that game by far a career high like among I think it was right there behind one or two games by any quarterback all year

of the most of any quarterback in any game and oh by the way he also rushed for three touchdowns and ran for 94 yards so yes there is that that negative but it's like it was a crazy performance I really think it was the best game he's ever played in his life.

He was awesome in the game. That turnover, maybe it's, you can't really play it that way, but maybe that's the reason they lost. But it's also bad luck, too. Like, it was totally on him that he dropped it, but he happened to kick it backwards, and then they pick it up and run backwards. Two earmuffs, Connie, I think if they don't throw the flag

on the third down, Mahomes' best, I think they win the game. I think they go down the field and score just because I think Hertz was completely locked in at that point. You've lost me for the show. All right. Just let's try to move past it, but I think Greg's overall concede is trust the organization

to reload and be ready. Trust the process. Trust the process. Okay. All right. I'm back. I'm back. Okay, guys, hello.

My name is Colleen Wolfe, but I mostly identify as Connie Fox. Right. Also, tiny box. And you know what I remember today? Icebox was my nickname in college, and I totally forgot about that. Why? Icebox. Was an Icebox?

Little giant. A little giant. I don't know why they called me Icebox, but... She was like a burly linebacker type. That was me in college. Wait, it wasn't because you were a figure skater? Maybe it was because I was a figure skater. That makes more sense.

That would make sense. I hadn't seen the movie at the time when they were... That must have been eye-opening. I don't really connect. Unless you just like, shut down. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's me. Cool. So I think the robots have...

have already taken over. So that obviously is the only way that you could explain tank, the dog, and the dog bite. Right. It must have been a robot. It's been a big couple weeks for AI. Yeah. Yeah, it's popping right now.

It's popping off big time. And the off-season storyline I'm most interested in is, I have a bunch here because I couldn't, there's so many that it was hard to even pick with all of the different quarterbacks moving around. And you have Sean Payton now with the Broncos, how he makes over that whole place. I'm interested in the non-year-old.

minor's quarterback situation with Brock Purdy and Trey Lance. But I think the thing I'm most intrigued in is Hard Knocks, 2023. What? Who will it be? Who will it be? Wow. The most. There's only four teams that can do it.

Right. Well, other teams can volunteer, but you're right. What are the four teams? The four teams. Now, first of all, the teams need to have not made the postseason in two straight seasons. They need to have the same head coach for at least two years. And they need to have not been featured on hard knocks in over a decade. I wrote that boilerplate 47 times on our website.

Perfect. So you should know that by heart. Yep. The teams are the Bears, the Saints, the commanders, and the Jets. Yeah. Yeah. if the Jets ended up with one of these big quarterbacks I could see Woody being on a power trip

and just being like put us on that show too let's go let's just win the offseason quote and quote he did it before when they were hot when Rex was there we'll get to Rex later too yeah so that that's late March like yeah like hey Aaron Rogers Lamar Jackson yeah Derek Carr that announcement's coming up soonish I believe I just checked it happened in late March last year

but that was, I think, a late one. Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of just like this month. I don't need the commanders, the saints. No. What's the other? Bears could be interesting. I want the Jets. I'd be okay with it.

That's for me. I would watch that. That's the thing you're looking forward to most of this entire off season. I also, like, this is more of a, like, sentimental one. But DeAngelo Hall, being named the new DV coach in Carolina is, like, something that I am so freaking excited about I'm so happy for him like I almost started crying because I'm upset that like we're losing him and you worked with him a lot I worked with him on the saturday morning show that we had when it was good morning football weekend and that show with Michael Robinson and

Mike Garifolo was so much fun we were a little family just like ATN is a little family more fun than us she had a lot of fun on that show she talks about it I love all of my kids equally all right all of my children The answer we were looking for But okay But he has been Since the moment I met DiAngelo

He's been talking about How he wanted to get into coaching Or he wanted to get into a front office And that was his dream And he's going to chase it And he finally got the opportunity And it's so well deserved And he's such a good guy

And I just can't wait to see him shine See that makes a lot of sense I would have thought that his dream Was listening to Dan and I Like cracked jokes behind him As we watched like a boring Sunday night football games in the film room and he was ready to do that show with Chris Rose.

Yeah, I always, I was always looking like Break the Ice with the Angelo during the season and if we just want to know, and I never connected the dots on the Good Morning Football weekend. Oh my gosh. I just would have a name drop Connie Fox. It would have been.

That would have been it. We would have been like thick as thieves. That's your key. In the back row. Yep. Like, I feel like he's like my brother. Yeah. Seems like a nice guy to me.

He's great. Greg was trying to like, Kipman, like trying to bring DeAngelo in. like a cave-on thing like hey we're friends right what do you do we sat next to each other at the talent summit so we had you know a lot of great that is a big bonding experience oh that's huge i've sat next to jeremiah twice and it had the opposite effect oh no so it goes either one yeah right right um all right let's take a break and then we'll get caught up on the news all right welcome back let's do some news

So, hey, what's up, man? How are you doing? Good, good. Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shos. You can run. Um, I feel like we're post, um, especially after your friend, Nick Siriani, Connie, we're post won the press conference and trying to make snap judgments on coaches. So I'm not going to do that.

That was Jonathan Gannon, former D.C. of the Eagles, who is now the head coach of the Cardinals. And that was his first face-to-face meeting captured on social media. Who was it with? Rondale Moore. And what exactly was going on there for the audience that's just hearing the audio, which is bonkers? He just walked up to Rondale and they, like, sort of dapped. And it was an awkward, like, white dapp, obviously. We do our best, but it doesn't always like.

It's tough. And then all of a sudden he. So after they do their, like, little hug and whatnot, then he looks Rondale up and down and then pauses because there's just like an awkward silence. And then he just starts going shots, shots, shots, whew, over here. And just like moving. Like with exaggerated hand movements and everything. Yeah. Like all of the different things that Rondale could do, I guess.

Oh, like in patterns and running. Okay. But like there was no context to it. And he didn't even say that. I don't know, maybe he did after the clip ended that we saw, but it was the most awkward interaction I've ever seen. Roddell was kind of looking at him like he had an elbow growing out of his forehead. Like, what a first impression.

Well, there was that, and there's also a video of, like, he finds out that Kyler Merger, he's back in the wait room when he's just about leaving for the airport. And Ganon just starts running. He's like, he's in there? He's in there, and then the camera follows him. And people thought this was staged, but I really don't think so. And he gets up to Kyler, he just starts clapping as much as he can.

and, like, is all fired up. But I watched the press conference, and he's got a lot of energy that Jonathan Gannon. That's my takeaway. A lot of energy. I'll take it. I like it. People loved it, actually.

I don't think he lost this one. I think the Cardinals fans were kind of like sweet. It's not like a vaguely depressed. Robotic. Shots. Shots. But he always gave off, like, kind of a low energy affect. And that's a very standard firing, hiring cycle.

You get a guy that's totally different. Gannon is different. I mean, he did catch some criticism in Philly, Connie. We've talked about that on the show. But at the end of the day, he takes over his head coach. It was a rough final game. It was a game. And he took a pay cut to take the job there.

Reminds me a lot of. Now I was going to say Matt Patricia. Oh, Patricia. That's who I was thinking of. Who, you know, got blasted by the Eagles. Right. In the Super Bowl. And then on his way to taking that lion's job.

So is that a voting? I don't think that's bad. I don't think it matters, but it's not. I think. It's a tricky, it's a tricky job and you take a chair of 32 when you can get it. But this year seems like it's going to be a very rough year for Arizona with Murray probably out at least until the midpoint of the season and maybe longer than that. Hopefully the Cardinals play this the right way and give Gannon a little bit of grace here to get the organization set up before Kyler comes back in full the season after. But who knows?

I don't know. It's hard to say what's going on with. Cardinals. I know they've made some big changes now in the front office and obviously now getting the Kingsbury out of the building as well. Do I totally trust that organization to get things right now? I can't say I do it right now. I feel like the trust has been lost. They always do these articles like which is the best job and the worst job. I never like that because it's impossible to figure out and they're all good jobs. But I think the Cardinals is the hardest job. I think he'll have some rope because I think their roster is a bigger mess than the other. four jobs that are available. Everything's wrong with that roster, almost, like, offensive line. The defense is a total disaster. Murray's hurt.

Like, there's not much to build around. JJ Watts gone now. He hired. Eagles linebackers coach. Yeah, he hired Nick Rallis, who's 29 years old as his defensive coordinator. That's cool. He's a defensive coach anyway, so I'm less focused on that. The Brown's quarterback's coach, Drew Pitzing, is their new offensive coordinator.

And he was a guy that, like, had some good buzz around the league as just like a smart young mind. So he might turn out to be a great coach, but he's a 35 year old. And that's a huge hire because Gannon is not an offensive guy. In other hiring news, the Colts finally, finally completed their head coaching search. And Shane Steichen, the Eagles offensive coordinator. So obviously what Greg was saying about the Eagles, it's a big offseason that they replace both their coordinators. He takes over as the new head coach makes sense. place is Jeff Saturday, who is the interim coach.

This is a team that ranked 30th and points per game, 27th and offensive yards per game. The quarterback position was a godawful mess. Jonathan Taylor was hurt all year, and now Stuyken is asked to make things all better. Here's a little bit of Stuyken's opening press conference remarks. Thank you to Nick Seriani. I appreciate everything you've done as a head football coach.

It was a pleasure to work with you again, these past two seasons. It was a hell of a ride and won all chairs forever, but more importantly, the friendship that we built over the last nine years. Thank you. Thank you to the players. I've had the privilege to be around and coach. Thank you to Philip Rivers. I can't say enough about how much you've had impact on me as a coach. So many great memories together and couldn't be more thankful for our friendship. Thank you to Antonio Gay Hates, Keenan Allen, Justin Herbert, and most recently, thank you to A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Quez Watkins, Zach Pascal, Dallas Goddard, Jack Stoll, Grant Calcutera, Miles Sanders,

Boston Scott, Kenny Gainwell, Jordan Malada, Landon Dickerson, Jason Kelsey, Isaac Suamala, Lane Johnson, Ian Book, Gardner, Minchew, and last but not least, Jalen Hertz. Did he go all 53? Thank you to each and every single one of you guys. If you're not on that list. not be sitting here today if it wasn't for you it's all about the players and it'll always be about the players the sniffs were covering up the other players that he didn't answer so i mean i i i think uh saying gardner minchew is the reason why he's there is not true so i think that

this man is oh there you go now i think he was emotional dan leave him alone i think leaving quez out i'm a bad guy would have been fine you guys are brutal i would have just named i'm angry they had what like 11 pro bowlers like just named pro bowlers oh well he was naming the offensive guys uh yeah you saw a lot it you know who reminded me of a little bit was jamal williams in the sense that like he was incredibly emotional and i like that and it if you watch if you continue to watch the press comments he sort of pivoted to like a a really hard driving smoldering cesslerian intensity like behind the eyes just like a lot of intensity so it went from love, which I like that is he's in touch with the emotions, but also the intensity of

a football coach. So did he win the press conference? I mean, I liked it. I like, there's so many parallels to Frank Reich with this hiring, too. I mean, the Colts hire another Eagles offensive coordinator coming off a Super Bowl appearance, someone who has a rep for developing quarterbacks. And it's sort of funny that Steichen comes from working under Nick Siriani, who came originally from the cults.

So it's all so very kind of incestuous. But he'll be calling the plays for what quarterback, who knows yet? That's obviously a big question that needs to be answered. It's funny. He brought up Phil Rivers and I was like, we got to get Phil back in the mix. I don't know, maybe not a player at this point. Bersay said Phil had a lot of input.

He used the word a lot of input into the hiring just because he was like, this guy as much as any coach I've ever been with, is a genius in terms of. of he doesn't need the play sheet in front of him. He can look at what's happening on the field. And then for Phil Rivers to say that, Jim Ursey said held a lot of weight, just like that this guy really understands

a quarterback position as much as anyone I've ever been around. He's got to get like those 16 kids out of elementary school. That's it. Maybe he'll come back. Easy. We'll see him on the sideline in a bowelow tie. All right. We're talking about the Super Bowl this year.

Last year's Super Bowl, of course the Rams were the champions. And a lot of bad things have happened. Since then, Jalen Ramsey is one of their many high I priced superstar players in on Twitter. He floated the idea and quickly deleted it that he could be traded like I won't be cut now traded I can't say and then immediately deleted but the internet remembers and then Kevin Demoff our buddy the C.O.O of the Rams spoke on Ramsey and his future with Los Angeles.

Jaylon's been a huge piece of what we've done and I think for all of our players It's going to be about figuring out what's best moving forward. But when you are a team like the Rams who's had success, we have a lot of great players. People are always inquiring about our talent. And it's not just Jalen. We get calls on all of our good players. Brings to mind the famous Jamal Adams wanted out of New York

because the phone was picked up when someone called. The high-ranking front office official saying, hey, people are calling and we're answering the phone. Maybe it does happen. He didn't have a very good year this year, Gregie. I think he played a lot better down the stretch I mean PFF would tell you that he was the second best

cornerback in the league to sauce I think the last five or six games he was pretty dominant and people weren't too locked into the Rams under by then but he's the first year didn't make the Pro Bowl

and he gave up a lot of big plays they asked him to do a lot I think he'd have extremely high trade value and he just feels like they don't have a lot of moves they're almost like an NBA team that it's like you only have so many assets at a certain point with the cap and this and that and like they need to do a lot and they feel like maybe Ramsey based on that answer

could be someone that gets them back into the draft mix that they can get a couple first back for him what a plot twist that would be less need acquiring draft picks this time of year it's time maybe you don't right you don't answer that question if you're dem off that way unless you're very comfortable with other teams you know you want to hear what other teams will I like the Twitter recruitment, too. Like, it's kind of spicy. I'm on Ross St. Brown is trying to get him to come to Detroit. And then Michael Parsons just, like, shot out.

I'm sorry, no one's going from L.A. to Detroit. Right. Okay. By the way, that was Bridget Condon, the interview with a friend and friend of the show. She's the only Bridget I like. At a Rams event, yes. The human Bridgetts are the ones we prefer. And we were at a Super Bowl event, Gregie, where Demoff was near

by around we were belly up at a bar and tried to get his attention couldn't get his attention and I think what were you doing to try to get his attention I mean is that even waving and I was like you're making this up I was like is it because I had the ramps too low in the power rankings during the playoffs last year is Kevin is he still upset about it probably he's like wakes up in the middle of the night it was a very crowded party yes and we were going to go over and talk to him and then then we went and looked and he was gone but I don't I don't remember already waving that you don't remember because it didn't happen but i looked over at him and i was hoping we would make eye contact didn't happen sorry to hear that yeah and i took that personally little

michael jordan uh in other news derrick carr derrick car how about that he's living the life right now because uh yes the raiders didn't want him but a lot of other teams do and the nature of how this played out. He, I liked how he played it at the end. He met with the Saints and there was a framework of a trade and then he went to the Raiders. I don't know if this was done for revenge or just part of the game or whatever, but he's like, actually, no, I'm not going to accept a trade to New Orleans or anywhere else. So you have to release me Raiders and which they did because there was going to be a major

bonus coming a couple weeks back. So now he's a free agent. And it's incredibly a nice setup for him, Connie, because all the other guys that are set to become free agents they have to wait for the new league year so he has this long runway where he is the bell of the ball he is talk with the saints he met with the Jets this weekend

there's another team in the mix Panthers maybe but like Frank Reich wasn't really he met at an Italian restaurant my buddy Mike back in Jersey lives in Summit says a very nice restaurant it was it was Rasa it was Joe Douglas it was Derek Carr and then David Carr's

brother who once for he was the the axis of a truce between around the NFL and uh derrick car who had once blocked us and no more um david car who works for this network talked about the process for derrick and we knew he would love robert saw i've known robert for a while mj knows robert he's fantastic and they hit it off and they they would love to work together but there's a lot of questions that have to be asked i think the most important thing for him as a veteran quarterback, what is it going to be like as an offensive play caller and a quarterback in that relationship? Todd Downing is there. He has a relationship with Todd. Nathaniel Hackett is also there. So how does all that work? And they had a good chat.

They talked about a lot of different things. And obviously the team is just in need of a quarterback and some stability there. They have a lot of good components. There's a lot of things that are very positive about the Jets. He had a great trip. So that was on total access. Connie, like David Carr, kind of an interesting thing. Obviously, his brother, former player himself but now he's his like brother's spokesperson in the media for this which is kind of a funny somewhat tricky thing to navigate because he's an analyst and i find myself hanging on every single word that he says because trying to analyze any little pause or inflection that he might have when he's talking about his brother's decision and it sounds like he's saying that he

wants to take some time to make sure it's right obviously it sounds like he wants to maybe go to the jets because that would be a good fit for him but the jets are are maybe waiting for Aaron Rogers' decision. That seems like the first domino that needs to fall before any of this can be decided. But it's nice that Derek Carr has this time right now before any of the other free agents that he could sign with a team in theory

and then take advantage of that time to recruit other free agents to come and then help him out as well. So he does have that luxury. But I guess everything kind of is just hinging on what Aaron Rogers does to do. Feels like it. It feels like the Jets want to see if they get Rogers, and if they can't, then maybe they'll go get Derek Carr.

And I think that would probably be the best outcome for Derek Carr would be the Jets. I'm a little annoyed by what the Saints did, bringing them in, and then they asked them to take a pay cut. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's a broke boy behavior right there, broke franchise behavior. You got this salary cap issue that they always manage to finagle. and that they bring him in, they wind him and dine him. They're like, if you were going to just ask him to take a pay cut to make the trade happen the whole time, just wait until he gets cut because you were totally misreading the market. I think they thought that he would be happy to like, okay, you can come here and like get $20 million

or whatever. It's going to be somewhere in between like a backup and like a real starter starter. And to me, that's totally misreading the market. Derek Carr is going to get paid. Derek Carr is maybe not going to take any pay at a. at all. He might end up doing quite well in this scenario because there's only so many quarterbacks that are available. I don't think Gino's going to be one of them. There's way more teams than there are quarterbacks right now. And I think Derek Carr is going to be the number

two guy behind Aaron Rogers because I think Daniel Jones gets franchise tagged. And people are waiting to see how all these things shake out. But if it's just Derek Carr and Jimmy G that are completely free and like Teddy and Dalt and all these other guys, like Derek Carr's at the top list. He's got to do fine. He's going to make a lot of money. If you're deciding between Rogers and Carr, I get it with the ceiling. But I think Carr is also younger. He's cheaper. You wouldn't lose any draft picks at all. And who knows how much longer Aaron Rogers is even going to play for. Life is short, though. I just feel like the Jets are kind of in a let's live and let live. What could go wrong. He's not as good as Rogers. He's struggles in cold weather.

He's a little bit sensitive, as we know. You don't think Aaron Rogers is sensitive, though? They're different types. I think Rogers is just like in his own planet at this point. But I hung a little like emoji, a bronze metal emoji over the Derek Carr story this weekend on Twitter because I do want Rogers first and then I'm not kicking the tires on Lamar if that's a possibility.

He would be my number two choice and then car. And I think this actually works out well for the Jets with a derrick car taking his time so it's giving opportunity for the Rogers thing to play out which is probably connected so they don't get put Lamar put Lamar by the way number one

with a bullet on the Jets wish list I get that I mean what would are you saying what you think it should be or do you think the Jets would choose because I think I kind of feeling that they would be like fall in low with the idea of Aaron Rogers as their quarterback not saying it's the right move but I think yeah I think if

Lamar was available I think The compensation involved with all this stuff matters too. Like if Rogers is like a first and the Jets get a fourth back or something and Lamar is like three firsts or two firsts and a second, that matters too to me a little bit. It's interesting. Yeah. Let's move on.

It's all going to play out. One way or another. Soonish maybe, right? Pretty soon. It's February 21st by March 21st. All these quarterbacks will have new homes. all the major free agents will be done with. It's all going to happen pretty quick.

Speaking of Aaron Rogers, Bob McGinn. Now, Bob McGinn for years covered the Packers for the Sentinel over there. And he's also known widely for his draft coverage. And he spoke about Aaron Rogers and the Packers and their relationship. And McGinn, who is plugged in, Gregi, says he believes that Green Bay is, quote, done with Aaron Rogers. and Jordan Love will be the team starter in 2023. He added that the team is, quote, disgusted with Rogers. And they feel that he didn't put enough effort leading into the 2022 season,

maybe a little bit out of shape. Like, like Lamar, like at this point, Lamar's, in his prime, I would be, yeah. Lamar, well, he's got injuries. So he can't stay in the field. Sure, but I don't care. It's kind of a tricky decision. There's layers to it. Anyway, I know we trust McGinn.

Greg, this kind of is in conflict with a prediction you had a couple of weeks ago, I think. I think you were saying Rogers will ultimately go back in your mind. Do you still feel that way or do you think this is heading towards Divorceville? Now I feel that a divorce is happening. I mean, McGinn knows certainly a lot better that I do. And I think Jordan Love is a quarterback. They actually want to see play. That they're excited about him, that they think he got better.

McGinn even threw it out there that if Rogers insisted on returning, make him the backup to love. That was the wild as part of the whole story. That's like almost as a punishment. Of course I'm not going to take that beautifully. Yeah. He would go into a seven-year darkness retreat and say you will pay me anyway. I think they, but if they were ready to move on with them, they would act like how they've

acted. They're not going to say they're disgusted with them. They're just going to stay quiet about it and see what the best offer is. Unless they're telling McGinnness to put it out there and then to start the divorce process. I can't see that they would want this out there. He just says he's not coming back. He said based on everything he knows about the team is experience and then people who would be in a position to know

that they're just like they're ready. They're ready for a new start just like they were all those years ago when the same exact thing happened with Brett Farvinner and Rodgers. It's really crazy. Wild. And it would make sense with all the flowery pieces that are coming out about Jordan Love and how impressed they are with him and everything else. I think this is happening.

I think he's going to be on the Jets now. I'm kind of, didn't you put a sandwich on it? I did, I believe. Because I don't know. I don't see another team that's like just going to jump up and make this all happen as quickly and easily as the Jets. I just think the Jets are going to be that team. Like the Panthers, but he's going to want to go somewhere.

Washington. Like I, but I, he wants to go somewhere with like some juice. Daniel Jones had a nice, uh, transition. Daniel Jones had a nice ending to the 2022 Cs. I don't know. My radar is just up on this one a little bit. But really cutting down on his mistakes and was a better player and better coaching of Ryan Dable made him a pretty solid starter for the Giants.

And they had a surprisingly effective season, made it to the second round of playoffs and all that. Now he's a free agent because they declined the option, the 50-year option before last season, the new leadership. He is changing agencies. He's switching agents. He wants up to $45 million a year. Daniel Jones. Reportedly.

Forty-five million, reportedly. I question why this would get out there. It would probably come from the agent that he fired, is my guess. Yes, this is how unreasonable. Listen, I would, you don't have to put it in a report. I'll say it, I would like $45 million a year, reportedly. Like, it's, I'm sure that's what he wants, whether he gets it or not. I'll take one.

Let's just put it out there into the universe. Yes, the franchise tag would. It would cost it. The non-exclusive tag would cost the Giants just over $32 million. So that's where things are. And is it heading that way, Greg? Is this heading towards franchise tag?

And is that, what does that mean for Sequin Barclay? Who's also a free agent with the Giants? Yeah, there's like a lot of New York Post articles. It's like, oh, this Daniel Jones is getting too big for his britches, you know? It's like he's just trying to get money. That's the lead of every story. Yeah, he's just trying to get money. And it is interesting that he would fire his agents.

But I just think he was always going to be headed to the franchise tag. In my mind that the Giants were going to see if he would sign sort of an in-between like Ryan Tannahill, Derek Carr type of deal. Because if he was with like maybe two to three years of guarantees, they would sign him if he wanted that. And that is a risk that he's passing on, let's say, $70, $80 million guaranteed. But they aren't going to give him the big one. And otherwise they're happy to give him the tag. And I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah.

I mean, clearly to me, he wanted more money than CIA was. able to get for him. And so that's why he's going to athletes first. And that's why CIA probably leaked this. But I mean, it's interesting that he's switching agents at this point. I don't know where they're going to go with this, if they're going to end up tagging him or not. But it feels like to me, he's not going to get the money that he wants. They're probably going to tag him and then Saquan's going to walk. Kind of lets them not give Saquan the contract that I don't think they want to give him anyways. Right. You know, if I was starting, my own agency I was thinking like do I like the name athletes first it's fine but I would call

it people first because they're more than just athletes and that and then and then you kind of just elbow drop off the top turn buckle your rival oh athletes first is taking a big yeah they take a dirt nap and then you know if you're looking to choose like you know oh am I just a player like no I'm a person I go to people first I think it's a beautiful thought. It's good branding. Would human first be better? Well, then you get a little, I don't know.

Okay. Humans first. Exactly. Would you rather have Daniel Jones or Derek Carr if you were ranking a top 101 free agents? The player or the human? The player. Who would you rather sign?

Who would you rather have in a vacuum on a list that I'm writing? I'm sorry. Daniel Jones or Derek Carr, you said? Oh, I love this exercise. Yeah, I thought a lot about it yesterday. I guess I'm going to say Derek Carr, because, again, watching all the Giants games, that was kind of a nice ending to the season for Daniel Jones,

but he was kind of just Daniel Jones to me for most of the year before that. He also didn't have any receivers. That's the thing. Okay. But he had a better. And Derek Card has never had a defense. So I feel like the two quarterbacks have dealt with. I would take, I know Carr is older, but Carr is still pretty young.

He's still 31. It turns 32 soon. But it's a good one. Where are you leaning? Right now I'm back to Jones, but I've gone back and forth just because I feel like there might be another level he can get to. And I think they're both at a very similar, not replacement level starting quarterback, but that kind of like Dalton scale right around the line, right? Maybe like right a little bit of the middle of the pack. Middle, middle lower of the pack.

And that's why you want to be an NFL starting quarterback because just being a little bit better than average gets you $35 to $45 million a year. Right. That's why he's not getting the $45, though. Like, I don't think he would have that sort of market from other teams either. All right. Let's take a break and then wrap things up. I would put humans last.

Oh, my God, no, no. No, no, no. Get her out of here. Pull the plug. This is not good. This is not good. Uh-uh. Eventually that plug is not going to help us. This is what Bridget did.

There's the tank The tank room in your right forearm It's healing up nicely It is I have it like a What's it called? The fang tooth I have the fang tooth mark there

Yeah So that's cool The saddest part about this whole thing though Is because you know Connie's a dog lover Right And we were out celebrating West a couple weeks ago

Right In Culver City And there's a lot of dogs around And then seeing you now Oh man I know Once a great lover of dogs and you still are, but now afraid of the dogs, understandably, is sad. I've taken so many else.

Craig, do you have to bring up everything? My love for dogs, it's still there, but I am quite terrified. I went to a party, a house party on Saturday night, and they had a quite big dog there. And the dog came up to me, and it was just like what happened at Christmas. There was a lot of people there. and the dog came up and started sniffing me and the hair on the back of my neck

was just standing on end and I had chills and I wanted to like run the other way. You hear that Bridget? But we're good, we're good. Sometimes it's good to talk about it. Maybe this is like the most Jewish thing about me. I'm airing it out. You talk. You talk.

Breaking bread over here. This is good. Yeah. I've been sit in Shiva the past week so. Is there anything else about Colleen's life that you want to get into? Well, it also introduces, you know, the... The personal to the listener, they really appreciate that. Let me share everything. Can you imagine living with me?

My dog, my puppy, the captain. Like, it's not edge, it's the edge, it's the captain. Okay. He's a little nippy. He's got the puppy nips. Yeah, they're different. So I'm going to keep you clear of him, and I'm going to train him with very, like, Gannon-like ferocity.

Okay. That's good. puppy nips are different though because they have like the teeny tiny little sharp teeth and like they hurt but they're not scary they're not going to like maul your arm yeah sometimes they get a little puppy nip like i'll be on a run and these little you get a nip i've had two different puppy nips in the last like two years and i'm just get control of your little i mean they're on a leash but they're just they're just so you are you coming in maybe a little too tight there's traffic and stuff but no i mean i'm trying to go onto the grass and they're on on the sidewalk. I did use to hate when we would walk our dogs in Santa Monica and someone would come up running behind them because dashers a little bit of a headcase and it was always like a little like, oh my gosh.

I don't do anything either. I don't say anything. Greg gets very close to the dog and just like gives it a little nudge. I just, I give the owner a little look afterwards. It's like, come on. Greg's barking at the dogs. So you're running, you turn around and like give like a WTF look and then keep going.

Yeah. Nice. It's just kind of like. Are you on the left guy? on your love yeah how about that no

how about you become that guy is a kitchen like this is ridiculous hands I try to stay away but sometimes you can't all right

we'll be right back all right welcome back let's wrap this up a little OCDC section of the news Eric Bienami

does the thing that I think he had to do obviously where he is in his coaching career he wants to be a head coach And, you know, there are different factors involved in this, some more upsetting to discuss than others. But one of the factors here is Eric B. Enemy being the OC in Kansas City when Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback and Andy Reid is the primary play caller, he just wasn't going to get a big chair out of this.

He wasn't going to get the promotions so many other OCs get when they're connected to a big time team. So he leaves that setting and goes and takes a job with the commanders. as their new offensive coordinator. Your thoughts on that, Connie? I hate that he had to move to hopefully one day get the elevated job that he deserves, but I'm happy that he did it and he's taking that chance. I think it's a bummer that he had to leave a successful organization.

Is it unprecedented? Does this happen? In recent memory, leaving a spot like that. And making a lateral move. And obviously the other side of this is the NFL has a very bad history, recent history as well, not just extended history of black head coaches

getting opportunities as head coaches and that's been part of the conversation around Beyond me for I feel like years now. Years. Right. And like the thing of being under Andy Reed is like that is what usually guarantees you a job.

Like Brad Childress gets a job. Matt and Aggie gets a job. Look at all the years from Sean McVeigh and all of his assistants that got jobs. Right. But Reed even specifically has had so many. Now, you know, it's upsetting, it's tricky. Like, Bomani Jones, I've heard him talk about it,

that sometimes focusing on Biennami specifically is almost a fool's errand because, like, maybe there is something specific to Eric Biennamy. He's had all these opportunities for whatever reason, and that focusing on that, it's a league which hires white guys on offense in general and nepotism and what can you can do structurally like that that's a better thing to focus on than just specifically be enemy

but it is crazy because I just feel like if he goes to Washington and their offense is awesome he's going to get a job so it's like yeah I guess we'll see right I hope that happens I would love for that to happen

but even that is like is weirdly embarrassing it is it's weird it's unusual the way it all played out and speaking of the commanders Ron Rivera said that Sam Howell their second year quarterback will, quote, start out as QB1 heading to the offseason. Greg, that strikes me as classic offseason pre-free agency draft Hocum, the incoming guy that's still on the depth chart.

He's our guy. I feel very strongly they will come out of this with a veteran starter or, or I guess, a high draft pick. That's where I said. I don't think Hal Sniffs the week one job personally. Personally. They've come out so hard with this that I think there's a chance. Really? Save this clip. Save it. Save it.

So I think they are really saying we are not going to be in the big kids pool for these quarterbacks. We're not in the Derrick Carr, Aaron Rogers pool or else they've come out strong like multiple times saying this. Howell did look very intriguing in that week 18 game and they did see him for the whole season in practice. Now he's like a later round pick so that's surprising but he also is a guy that at one point, people thought would be a top 10 pick. And he does have incredible skills as a runner and as a big arm. So it's like it's not that crazy. I could see them signing like a teddy type and making Howell the likely the one.

Just because they've come out, why has he come out so hard saying this over and over? He said it like in multiple different interviews in different ways. I feel like any time a team has done that, it's this time of year. And the harder they go in on a player, the more. unlikely it is that that player is going to be in the spot that they're saying. I'm usually with you, but it's usually with someone they feel like they owe something to or that was a high pick

and so they're just saying it to like placate this guy's ego or just to like throw people off the scent. But why would they be doing that with Sam Howell? I don't know. I want to go back through like old shows and see this time of year and see from like the news and stuff because I have

a bunch of stuff saved and just see all of the different examples of when this has happened. Yeah, this is a good example. This one. We shall I think about, what was it? I talked about it with Mark a bunch of time in our early around the league blog days before the then Redskins drafted Robert Griffin III. Mike Shanahan finally famously came out and said

that he was completely comfortable with Rex Grossman and John Beck. And John Beck as our, he'll stake his career, he said, on these two men going forward. And then they go and trade their entire draft. basically to get a rookie quarterback. I wouldn't call it like a lie if they end up going to a different direction.

It just feels like this is how things go sometimes. He was just very specific about the veteran part of it. And so that just told me that I don't think they're going to get into the Lamar, Aaron Rogers, Gino, Daniel Jones, Derek Carr area of the pool. Yeah. It's going to be like a Jake Brisket or it's going to be a rookie. Maybe they're throwing people off the scent and it is a rookie. Which is kind of their brand.

They like to get like the mid-tier starter on, somewhat of a discount and hope they catch lightning in the bottle. Perhaps they'll do it again. Perhaps they're sick of doing that. Here's the thing, though. Sam Al could be a real thing. I know not many people watch that game, but he was very intriguing in that game,

and he has an intriguing skill set that no one less than Spicer, our friend, Brad Spicer, believes it. Pepper Mill, as I like to call it. He believes in the fifth rounder. He was, I like it. Here's the thing, though. He was kind of supposed to be, like a lot of people had him as, A lot of people had him as a better prospect than almost anyone in that class.

Why do you fall? It was a bad QB class on top of it. Is it going to be like a Brock Purdy situation where he just surprises everyone? That would be great news for Washington. It would be. Speaking of you mentioned, Matt Nagy, the former Bears coach. He is expected to replace Eric B. Enemy as the O.C. in Kansas City. All right.

Let's see. The Ravens hire Todd Monkin as their OC, formerly. The Bucks. The Bucks hire Gino Whisperer Dave Canales is their O.C. Frank Reich hires Thomas Brown as OC. And Jim Caldwell, Josh McCown, Duce Daley, and Connie, your good friend, D. Hall, also on that staff. Quite a staff there.

Caldwell, Josh McCown, Dew Staley, D. Hall. Thomas Brown was the Rams assistant ed coach, who a lot of people thought very highly of. I want them to be on hard knocks. Yeah, that could be a fun one. Do Staley? I know, I'm surprised. Deuce.

Why did he leave to Troy? I don't know. Wait a second. I'm just realizing that too. Yeah. He was so great on hard knocks and he was a very, you know, hmm, well, let's see. He was the, he was an assistant coach and the running back coach. Uh-huh.

And maybe with Ben Johnson having that big year and Dan Campbell being established there, maybe he wants to find his own niche. I don't know. Campbell had made some changes on that stuff. I don't think he was going to fire Duce Daley, but usually when there's like a lateral move, it's something where Staley's got a relationship with Reich and would rather be with him,

but also that the other staff maybe like he's not feeling himself. Like for instance, this isn't in this news. And we can circle back if you wanted any of those. But like the Chargers defensive coordinator, Rinaldo Hill, left to go work under Vic Fangio in Miami, even though that's not even a lateral move. It actually seems like going down. Speaking of very unusual, I was going to mention.

But I think it's just like he likes working for Vic. He probably did not like working for Brandon Staley. And it just wasn't a match. That was my first instinct was like, man, it's not the greatest look for Brandon Staley that your DC takes a demotion to leave the team. I mean, the most direct path to become a head coach. And that's the dream of so many of these guys is to be a coordinator. And then you jump up.

It doesn't have to be that way. Guys get head coach jobs all the time, not in the DC OC chair. but it's the most traditional next step to leave that position and go down a notch. That's interesting to me. It tells me a little bit, Gregi, about what internally some of the coaching staff feels about where Staley is as a coach, where that organization could be in the near future. And the culture. I mean, think about anywhere that you've worked before that has like a toxic environment.

It's just, it's not helpful at all. It's not fun to be around. It's not, no one, no one likes to be in that. So if that is a component, then it makes complete sense. And it, yeah, it might be taking it too far to believe that it was toxic or anything like that. He might have been losing his job. Duce Daley might have been losing his job. And it's a close-knit coaching community.

And they try to avoid firing if at all possible. So if you can get another job elsewhere, then it's like you never have to announce the firing. They're all from the same staff. Staley or from the same tree. Staley used to work for Fangio. Two, but he also is like, it is, I think everything you're saying is also worth considering. You're absolutely right, but it is interesting when that the jump without there being a firing involved or a contract lapsing involved goes, you know, you go down the ladder a notch. Yeah.

And it's interesting. And you mentioned Fangio. He is hired by the Dolphins as there, D.C. He's 64 years old. He's very good at that job. And Miami's defense took a step back once Flores exited. last year, that's a good hire for the Dolphins. I don't want the Dolphins to take the next step as the Jets in,

but I feel like their defense will be better with Vic there. That was a great hire. He was spitting fire, too, on his opening press company. He's like, yeah, like Bradley Chubb, like Jalen Phillips. We'll see. Like, they have potential, but they got to show what they're doing. It's like, you just gave Bradley Chub a $100 million contract, and he used to be your player, didn't play that well for Fanjo.

It's like he's already getting into fights. The one thing, the most interesting one of it, Canales will be interesting for the Bucks. He was the quarterback coach with Seattle. We don't really know. But Monkin's been around. Big play guy. You know, was in college, was the Georgia offensive coordinator,

big vertical throw offense, how that mixes with Lamar. It's certainly a different type of offense if Lamar is there than the one they've had. Let's wrap things up with Connie. Oh, odds and ends. Hit it. Oh. Odds and ends. Odds and ends

Hey everybody Tell your friends Odds and ends Oh It took four years But we did it Did you even know that that was coming? No

And my allergies are bothering me So my singing voice Is just not here today Or is it? Maybe it just started That was like Jordan Like that one game Right when he came back for the Wizards

He put up like 40 And then it was never good again But let's cut that Except for the Connie bot because she's never going to do better than that one. I wasn't sure what key to really start in, but we got there, guys. Nailed it. All right. Our buddy, Aaron Jones, who was on the around the NFL Super Bowl shows from Media Row.

He will be back in Green Bay. He will attempt to set the all-time rushing record for the Packers, which I told him is about two and a half seasons away if he stays healthy. He takes a haircut, Connie. But he's back in Green Bay. Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan. What's he doing these days? He's been at ESPN the last few years doing the Sunday morning show.

But it's like, you know, Rex should be on a sideline. Guess what? He's interviewing with the Denver Broncos about their vacant DC job. We'll see if that turns into something. And by the way, Sean Peyton. Sean Peyton, the connection. He did the TV over Fox. Their veterans.

You know, Fox sent out an awkward tweet. I feel naked right now without the after. I feel like we need afternoon delight. All right, hit it. Okay, okay, okay. There we go. Sorry. And Mike Westoff, our buddy, our friend.

How about it? The, just put out a book talking about I had a legendary career, special teams on the goat. He was on our show last summer. His little excerpt. For him to write a letter like that was totally inappropriate. And so I blew up. That's West up burying Bill Parcells on our podcast. In a big spot.

That was such a good app. He's the special teams coach over there now. That's awesome. Westoff is back. And Matt Ryan, Gregie, this makes so much sense to me. I could picture Matt Ryan in a suit, a little bit stiff, delivering very, you know, solid, if not spectacular analysis in a booth somewhere. People said he was good. He was on a pregame show.

I don't even remember which one it was. I didn't see it. A rich man's Trent Green, perhaps. I think maybe like the new Rich Gannon, who I always thought was good, who had good, solid quarterback takes. Matt Ryan could be that guy. Every time I've interviewed him,

he's been fantastic. Okay. He might be better than we're giving him credit for. Maybe. Maybe. I just, I'm picturing it, and it makes sense that he's in a booth. And quietly, like, oh, that means he's retiring, by the way.

Oh, please. They have to retire. They have to release him, by the way. Buddy. Will he join the Hall of Fame with Tom Brady, the man uh oh don't it broke his heart probably not definitely not not a first year guy i think matt ryan oh is matt ryan a hall favor we'll get to it he's gonna retire soon um and finally um and that's odds and ends usually connie and that's you know that's odds and ends usually kind of

we end with the song as well but uh-huh you just nailed it exactly why imagine not hitting it on the outro i can imagine it i've done it many times so we don't need more disappointment let's just let it let it be yeah You did it. And finally, before we say goodbye, we talked about a few weeks back, Grave Digger, the idea, you know, because Jim Gray has a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame and, you know, Gray has had a tremendous career in broadcasting, but like, you know, okay, Jim Gray has got a star. So what about us?

Can we get a star around the NFL on the Hollywood Walk of Fame? And you did some digging on this one. And where are we at on the ATN star? update just they are eagerly awaiting a $40,000 check so if anyone wants to make that happens in the home don't you have to be approved first though yes isn't the approval before the money are we approved I guess is the question not has anyone applied yeah has an application been submitted it's we'll call it in process I think is probably the best way to describe that part of it but yes yeah that sounds like a term paper are you a manager right

No, what's happening? It's in process. Let's get on this. Processing. Sort of like the whole guy thing is a long of approval process. It has to be. Oh, yeah, right. It takes six to eight weeks, the process.

Yeah. And just to make it clear to our audience, not that I feel like there's been any rush to do so. This is not a GoFundMe situation or anything like that. We do not want any fundraiser from the audience on this one. We want it to get to a point where the Hollywood Walk of Fame comes to us and says, Hey, this one's on us. That happens.

Join Hollywood Boulevard. Join Hollywood Boulevard. All right, good update. Good update. Oh, congratulations, by the way. To our buddy Matt Schneider, shadowy league figure himself. Extraordinaire.

A good man. A father once again. A boss. To a beautiful, healthy baby girl. That's great. So congrats to Matt Schneider and, well, especially his wife. Yeah.

The mom does deserve really the congratulations. You keep going. No, I'm just saying. I've been through this twice myself, and it's like, congratulations, Dan. It's like, well, I didn't do anything. I mean, really. I mean, you know, months earlier, yes, I had played a role. But the mother deserved, why am I talking?

I love this. Keep going. Just digging a grave. Yes, congrats to his wife, Nicole, for doing the hard work. And congrats to Sky Avery Schneider. I like that. Oh, great. I like that name.

Awesome job. Guy Schneider. Two kids under two. That's a lot of work. I have no idea what that's like. You do know what that's like, don't you? What? Don't you?

You have a sibling that's close in age, right? No. Oh, no. All right, let's sign this thing. We're not getting sharper in the episode. I've never changed a diaper in my life. Like, I don't know anything about kids. Thank you.

Well, go over and visit Sky. Thank you everybody for listening. We'll be back. Thursday. Until then, heed the call. This is an IHeart podcast.