NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - New Head Coach Vibes Check with Mina Kimes, Colleen Wolfe, and Jourdan Rodrigue

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe, Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic and ESPN's Mina Kimes to check on the vibes around each team that introduced a new head coach this week. First, a look at Pete Carroll and the Raiders (07:05), followed by Aaron Glenn and the Jets (20:00), Liam Coen and the Jaguars (28:25), and Brian Schottenheimer and the Cowboys (40:08). Plus, a look at new coordinators including Klint Kubiak in Seattle (52:34) and Robert Saleh back in San Francisco (58:20). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never use air quotes about our championship drought. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. So excited on Tuesday, as usual, to be joined by my friends, Jordan Roderig of the Athletic and Colleen Wolfe of the NFC Champion, in Philadelphia Eagles. What is up? I've been listening to Too Short for like, I don't know, 72 straight hours.

It is really exciting and it's not just you two guys this week. We have a special guest from across Los Angeles. Let's welcome her in as well. Yay! It's Mina Kimes from the Mina Kimes show. We're not worthy. Featuring Lenny, ESPN, NFL Live, all of that stuff. Welcome, Mina.

Is this the most? women ever Greg, are you a heroic ally today? Are you making history? I'm loving it. I always feel a little more comfortable with female energy around me. I have been accused of maybe not

the most masculine guy, but no, we're just talking ball here. That's what we're doing today. And we're celebrating Colleen because she is going to be... You're celebrating me, amazing. She is going to be on the field at Super Bowl 59.

If you are lucky enough to be in the stadium I don't know if any of our listeners are going to be there. Reach out to us. Let us know. You'll be seeing Colleen on the big screen at the Superdome, kind of going in and out, which I think is like the coolest gig ever. And the fact you're doing it with your team playing is really cool.

Yeah. And Joe Thomas and Ronde Barber. So it's like a fun group too. And it's just, it's nice that the last time I worked a Super Bowl with the Eagles were in was in Minnesota. I didn't work in Arizona. So it's nice that like,

I feel like it's a good location that's not freezing cold. Oh, my God, Minnesota. I know. I get like, Jordan, I don't know if you were, oh, my God. It was literally, so it was the kind of cold where you walk outside and you feel like you're being punched in the face the second you, like open a door and walk outside. It was insane. But that was one of my favorite Super Bowls to ever, honestly, because I was in the end zone.

Yeah, I was covering as a writer and I was in the end zone where the Philly Special happened. And it was like one of those football memories. I'll never constantly like, yeah, tell me about it. But I will never forget. seeing Nicole leak out and then just and you know you're not supposed to cheer

in the press box and I mean it's not let's be real I was cheering as the Patriots every Super Bowl possible but the press box went nuts

just because it was such an insane so cool insane play yeah it was just such a cool moment and we were literally right there

oh I love that and the guy who ended that game for the Eagles Brandon Graham might be playing he might be coming back how about that I really hope so

any inside Intel you gave us some good Brandon Graham no but as soon as I find out I will let you know. I will let everyone know. Well, we have a lot of work to do, not just today, but before we leave for New Orleans, we got a bunch of NFL Daily shows. Jordan and I are going to talk some all pros. But we also have a live show that Jordan and I will be involved with, which Mina Kimes is hosting Monday, February 3rd at the Belasco Theater in Los Angeles.

Those tickets are available now. You can go to minapodlive.com, and every dollar of the ticket that you spend will be spent to support the wildlife disaster relief efforts of the California Red Cross. I am really excited about this. Monday night, Mina has like the anxiety of putting together this show hit quite yet. Yeah, it's been a bit of a scramble, but we've already sold a lot of tickets. And by the way, it's, I don't know it's $50. This is a lot.

But not only does all that go to Wildfire Relief, Omaha Productions is matching it. So you're basically donating $100 to wildfire victims here in Los Angeles. And you get limited edition merch. I show you guys the hats. You get snacks. And this is not the graphic has been updated to reflect this. There's another guest on top of you two and Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald, the Eagles fans is calling those all too well. Kobe Turner of the Rams.

So Ramley in Los Angeles. Jordan, you know him. You've interviewed him. You spent a lot of time with him. How excited should people be to see Kobe Turner? He's just a wonderful person, first and foremost. And also, by the way, he was Goo on Mask Singer this year. So people who are fans of that show should come out and meet Goo from the Mask Singer.

Kobe Turner is an awesome dude. And it's no surprise to me that he was excited and one of the first people that came to mind in terms of talking about this and helping and wanting to get in the community. great dude happens to be a pretty badass nose tackle as well by the way he led all rookies and sacks last year he has 18 sacks in two seasons as a nose tackle by the way just just throwing that out there

I'm so sad that I'm missing this by the way oh yeah he does have good tictocks you'll be there in spirit you're going up against opening night so yeah well that's an overrated but I will still donate I competition makes us better I'm looking forward to it I remember when you first

You reached out to me at first, and you were like, hey, you guys did a show once. You were on the NFL podcast, right, in Hollywood? And I was like, yeah, was this great place. It was the bourbon room. I was like, it wasn't too big, though, probably like 400 people or something. And Mina's like, oh, no, that's big. That's great. And then I start asking me, okay, so where is this show going to be?

And she's like, oh, well, either I think the Willtern or the Belasco. These are big-ass theaters. I didn't realize that. We got to fill this place up. We got to, please. Yeah, please buy tickets. buy for all your friends. I have to tell you.

I have to tell you too, Mina. So I was like very excited about this. Obviously this NFL daily and Mina Kimes pod featuring Lenny crossover is like really exciting. I did take a while to respond when you sent us the original flyer showing that it was indeed at the Belasco because I had to take several nervous walks around the block because I almost, I was like at the wear now. Oh my God.

It's one of the great things about Los Angeles though. I really love L.A. and we've all been really affected by this wildlife. I mean, the wildfires that went on and have close friends or family, almost everyone that I know in L.A. like has people close to them affected. And I think it's because, you know,

we feel really connected to this city now. It took me like a few years. I've been here for 12 years now, and I love, love it. And one of the things I love about is the great downtown theaters or really the theaters all over the place. There's such cool diversity

of the different theaters. Each one has like their own little personality. Belasco is very cool. It was one that was like dormant for years and then they brought it back like 15 years ago. So it's going to be really fun. Hope everyone listening that's in LA come out. We don't ask for much. NFL Daily. Come support me to Kimes and all of us. It'll be really fun. All right. We are going to talk football today. Yeah, we are. We have not really gone over all the crazy amount of head coaching hires that have happened since like our last full show. I did like an emergency topper on everything that was going on with Liam Cohen because it's one of

my favorite stories that's happened in years, just the drama that led up to that. But we haven't talked about the Raiders hiring Pete Carroll. We haven't talked about the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer. And I'm going to throw in the Jets and Liam Cohen because all four of those coaches had press conferences on Monday. And we're just going to talk about our impressions. No no major, like, structure here other than I will order it in terms of vibes. I'm really into opening press conferences. This is something I've done since forever. I remember the Pete Carroll, Seahawks one, is maybe the best opening press conference

of all time by any head coach. I remember at the end of that. I was working at Pro Football Talk at the time. I was like, I'm in. I want to join the Seahawks. This is going to work. And he had it all. And so I'm going to rank these four press conferences.

in terms of vibes, we'll go in that order. And it has to start with Pete Carroll. And your boy, John Spitech, who was a guest on the Playmakers podcast. So you are a Kingmaker, the Playmakers podcast. Yeah, now we know how he got that job. It couldn't hurt. It couldn't hurt.

Good pub. He was great on the show. I'll start with you, Mina. Pete Carroll, less about the press conference for now and maybe more just, do you think this can work? And is it a good hire here for the Raiders? I think it definitely can.

because Pete Carroll, unlike a lot of first-time head coaches or even retreads, there's no mystery as to whether or not he has the leadership, the culture, the CEO stuff down, the players love him. We like know all of that. I always say, when people ask me about a first-time head coach, I always say, well, first of all, I don't know if the guy's going to be a good leader, right? Like, we didn't know that about Sean McVeigh when he was 32 or whatever. We know that about Pete Carroll.

So that mystery is taken out. We also know that he's been very good with the young quarterback, which I think we all think the Raiders are probably going to go in that direction at some point soon, if not this season. He is a brilliant defensive coach. He's one of the best secondary coaches of an entire generation,

maybe all time. Those are things that the Raiders obviously need. I think if I have any hesitation, and I'm curious to hear what you guys think, it is, if you do a young quarterback, I don't know how long he's going to coach. I know they signed him to a three-year deal, but he is 373 years old, right?

So there's a bit of a timeline issue, and I think that would be my other question is like, is he going to be patient about a rebuild, like putting the pieces in place? Because he said we're going to compete right away. That's his nature. I don't feel that way about the Las Vegas Raiders. And I suspect you guys feel the same.

I don't feel like as a total roster that they are quite ready yet you can obviously be ready. If you, we've seen this a couple years in a row, one with the John Spitech led bucks and also with these Rams teams that have kind of crushed the draft the last couple of years, that you can get way more. more ready in a hurry if you do knock the draft out of the park a lot of people don't talk about with spy tech especially is you know when they were overhauling and then fitting a roster around tom brady specifically um this was okay how can what else do we need to get in the draft and

who do we need to still add uh in order to continue to like build this roster around that quarterback so i did believe when pete carroll said that i do think he believes that based on potentially what their plan could be in that sense. I don't necessarily rule out taking a young quarterback. I think the Raiders could possibly be one of these teams that's on the phone asking about a Matthew Stafford, asking about Aaron Rogers, because John Spitech has made that phone call before. That's how he got Tom Brady.

It's funny because you're right, Mina, he talked about patience. But another takeaway I had was when he kind of echoed what you're saying. that maybe he is on a timeline. Let's actually listen to Pete Carroll talking about him wanting to be good right away. You all wondering about timelines and all that. It took us a few years to get to the very top of the last couple of programs I was with.

We're starting right now, going for it immediately. We don't have some time. We've got to make it five or six years down the road. That's not what we're thinking. We're going to start right now to go after it and build this team as quickly as we can. First of all, shout out to Pete for being the only head coach

to not wear a suit. He just went quarter of a zip. I do have a similar for the shit. You're wearing Pete Carroll. I like it. Pete Carroll. We're around the same age at this point. I don't know. I feel like when I was in Seattle for training camp, I guess it was the last year

that Pete Carroll was in Seattle. So what, he was either 71 or 72 depending on when his birthday is. I could not believe. Could not believe he was that old because he does not come off that way at all. And I do really feel like your chronological age isn't really always in sync with how old you are and how old you project.

And just in general, the speed at which he was chewing his gum and walking was incredible. Like, I bet he could beat me in a race. He is fit. He's in shape. He's fun. His players love him at the press conference when Marshawn Lynch yelled out. Can we hear that? I'm so proud to be part of that and recognizing that we can.

get to represent our following, and here in Las Vegas, to do it in this setting right here where people can't wait to come see us. They can't wait to see what we're all about, wherever our fans come from. We do want to fill our stadium up with our guys. I know that we have a good draw for people from out of town. There you go. There you go. That's what I'm talking about. Hey, Mark, settle down a little bit. He's whipsmart. He's got his humor still. I mean, Marshawn Lynch, just being there and doing that.

You can see the bond that he had with his players and the effect that he had on his players and they still have his back and they're still showing up. It's amazing. And the vibes that he had with the vibes he had with SpyTech immediately who they admitted they didn't know each other really coming into this process. And they're like, Pete's like cutting him off and making jokes and they're going back and forth and they're having a good good time.

It all makes, that part is all great. I have to say after having the experience from 12, 13 years ago or whenever he took the Seahawks up. I was thinking like, well, there's still a little, even though he has a lot of energy, you're right. He's younger than he seems. He doesn't have as much energy as he did when he took that Seahawks job. And when he was trying to prove to the world,

kind of he could be an NFL coach and he has everything to prove. This is a different stage of, he was like 20 years old at that point. It's very different, but it was turned down just a little bit. As a Seahawks fan, Mina, kind of what it, where does this take you emotionally? And do you think he can crank it up again? And now you got Marshawn Lynch, like, as a Raiders fan,

they're all just going to turn into Raiders. Is there anyone you would want vouching for you more than Marshawn Lynch, first of all, like, in the world who you could pick any human being to like make, to say, like, I'm F with him, it would be him. P. Carroll, I mean, like, he's the ultimate vibes. It's not surprising that he ultimately, like, immediately had chemistry with Johnson. The man could have chemistry with like a rock. In fact, I don't know if I've ever told the story.

I remember a long time ago, I did it. a story on, was it's Antonio Brown? I can't remember who I was talking. No, I was talking to Patrick Peterson. That's it. Patrick Peterson, I was in Florida. And I was talking to his mom. And she was talking about, like, his recruitment and, like, getting through, you know,

like being like a top draft pick. And just unprompted, she was like, whew, that Pete Carroll, though. So, stop, no. That man was a legend at working moms. that sounds bad out of context, but you know what I mean. He would go into that living room and you would give him the world

and he is just an unbelievably charismatic person. But as far as like at the end of the Seattle, you know, a lot of the reporting, this isn't me talking out. It was that the message got a little bit stale with some of the older players and there was like a turnover and it felt like kind of,

it just kind of felt like the natural life cycle of a team. So I think just like a new group of players, young quarterback, I think it'll work out well. I really do. I think this is a good hire. I think especially for this Raiders team, where they are now as an organization

and the coaches that they've run through, this is a great hire in terms of it. I don't know if it'll be great for Pete Carroll. Like, we'll see. I think he'll do a good job. But it's a great hire for them. We don't know about the coordinator positions on either side of the ball. It's like Bo Hardegree has been thrown out for offense.

Patrick Graham might stay there. He's also interviewing with the Jaguars in Liam Cohen. But just the vibes, I like having the Raiders back. I will say one thing. Something about the Raiders that's been a problem over the last couple of years is how incongruous the front office and the head coach seemed to have been. And then you're sort of pairing people together. I like that they went and did this at the same time. And, you know, I know John Spitech from our interview, but also from having a lot of conversation about football with him.

And like, that dude knows ball. And he builds through the trenches. That's what he likes to do. And I think Raiders fans can appreciate that hearing that, first and foremost, because they have a couple of key pivotal guys, including Max Crosby, who they're going to want to keep happy over there. But also, I think Pete Carroll is going to really like hearing that about John Spitex ideas and his methodology over the years. And first of all, determining what personality and what ethos your team actually has and then supplementing or pruning where you need to, that's been the trademark element of those Bucks teams between Tom Brady and Baker Mayfield and really continuing to. stay in contention. SpyTech mentioned Brady and Baker specifically saying, yeah, we want to build through the draft,

but we also will have our eyes open to guys who could come in and help us right away. And they were talking about the quarterback position. And that did send alarm bells to me of like, are they the Stafford team? Just the more that you see the reporting that's out there and it's more, it's not even reporting. It's less need and Sean McVeigh not specifically committing to. to him coming back. Like, that, that's all I need.

If less need is not committing to Matthew Stafford being back right around the same week when they were meeting up in Cabo four years ago or whenever it was. It's this week. It was this week. Then when you think about the supply and demand that is out there, like Stafford would get them a decent pick, I think. He would absolutely have a market. He would be the bell of the ball and the Raiders would be an interesting spot.

Real quick. I just want to say that in terms of, If you were doing power rankings of head coaches, the AFC West is absolutely stacked with personalities now. The fact that you have- I love it so much. Pete Carroll, Jim Harvall, Sean Payton. I mean, it's so, so-so-good. I'm in. I don't know if Zoolery, I remember, what's your deal?

Do you think, like, people under the age of 25 are aware of Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh? Give them the context. I mean, the context is Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll freaking hated each other's guts going back to college and then it translated into the NFL and for really the early Russell Wilson years for like four and especially when Colin Kaepernick

was the quarterback at the Niners the Niners and the Seahawks hated each other and it wasn't just like history and it wasn't just the fans I've talked to the players they hated each other's guts and the coaches hated each other's guts

and there was this when was what's your deal? What year was that? I'm looking at it now it's after the 2009 Stanford U.S.C. game in which Harbaugh's Stanford team won by 34 points over Pete Carroll. Yikes. And then he goes, what's your deal? Nice game.

It's on the end. Look at us. It's incredible. The best part here, and I forgot about this part, is that immediately Harbaugh just, like, dismisses him and turns away. And Carol, like, follows him as if he's going to like, do something about it. Like, he just stays on him, and eventually he just, he just gives up. That is so good. That's so

much ego. I love it. I love it. You could see that tension, again, when the Niners and the Seahawks were rivals ultimately culminating one of the best NFC championship games of all time. The tip, like after every game, and Harbaugh, I think Carol's record against him was, you know, he beat him a lot with Russell Wilson. He just looked so mad after every game.

I love it. I think that divisions are better with coaching beef. Yes. And like for Andy Reid to be, yeah, the most successful, at least at the end of the four, but by far the lowest ego, The three, not that there's anything wrong with Pete Carroll and Harbaugh and Sean Payton all believing in themselves. They absolutely should. Those games are going to be in

prime time. They're going to be great. I think there's going to be more Jets games in prime time because the NFL is not afraid to put a Jets team in prime time. We'll find out about the quarterback situation there, but I'm going Jets as my number two team in terms of vibes in the building. Aaron Glenn gives great press conference. He's couldn't be a more popular pick, I think, for Jets. bands. Man, he said all the right things. It was like a perfect best man speech. It was so short. You know, that's, that's what you want to do. Like, he just nailed it. It was short. They actually didn't even allow that many questions and they let them break apart and they did the local stuff separately. But it was awesome. Let's listen to Aaron Glenn talking to the media. Put your seat belts on and get ready for the ride. Put your seat belts on and get ready for the ride. Listen, there are going to be some challenges. But with challenges, it becomes opportunity, gets opportunity. but here's what I do know we're the freaking New York Jets

so we're big yes and they put that up on the back page of the New York Daily News it's one of the things I miss about living in New York is just seeing the back page

every day and it's just Aaron Glenn saying we're the freaking New York Jets we're built for this S and I just like they could not have picked a more popular

I love that photo they chose and I really loved before I get your thoughts Colleen let's start with you I really loved, I was watching how the owners were involved with all of these. Like Mark Davis, quick introduction, just got to the thing. Woody Johnson talked way too long, but he has said to reporters after the fact that he's learned some things that he's made some mistakes. And at least he's saying publicly that he's going to take a step back maybe and let Aaron Glenn and their new GM, Darren Mugi, start taking charge of this organization.

What do you think about this hired, Colleen? Well, I love Aaron Glenn here. The Jets choose him for, select him for a second time. First time was first round in the draft. Now he comes back as a head coach. And he brings that whole Dan Campbell vibe. We saw it with Ben Johnson too. Just like, I don't know what that is, but it rubbed off on both of them.

And I don't know if Aaron Glenn was just always like that. And same thing with Ben Johnson. But he's perfect for New York. He handled all of the reporters and all of the questions. well. And that's so important because it's almost like you get tested right away. Like when you're in a new environment, it's true for anything, anyone starting a new job at any point or or hanging out with new people. You kind of like get tested by the group to see how far they can go. Are you going to break? And he did not. He's like, he's perfect. And I can't wait for the Aaron Aaron conversation to

happen with Aaron Rogers. Well, they they asked him quite a bit about that. And he just said it will be talked about. I'm open to it. We have spoken with Aaron Rogers. That all seems positive if you want to keep Aaron Rogers. Yes, they were able to reach them on like the Packers at this point of the year. It's a win. I think Aaron Rogers might take it as a win if they wanted to keep him. But we won't know about that probably for a little bit. What do you think? It's a small thing, but it actually does matter. And I know there's going to be like some eye rolls from listeners being like, ah, it's not that big video. I've had conversations with people who have been either in the OC job, the DC job, the DC job.

it didn't work out and they kind of reflecting or the head coach job it doesn't work out and they're kind of reflecting on like what should I've done differently what would I have done how could I've reset the path or really started out as strong as possible and one of those things particularly in that market is having that little side scrum with the reporters getting face time away from the main live stream the TV broadcast and really getting that time with the people who are going to be looking at you in that room and asking you questions every single day. And I know people

go, oh, the media, it's not, whatever. But that actually does matter. Winning those people over, first of all, but also connecting with them immediately and setting a tone and setting a standard, that is super, super important. And it actually is one of the things that you hear

if the jobs, you know, of people going back and self-scouting, if it doesn't work out, like I wish I would have. It's not a given that those asides happen. And so many places, including in Los Angeles, those asides do not happen. And so I think that that is super, super important that he did that because he wanted to be directly in the mix with all of them, similar to how he must have been constantly in scrums when he's a player and say, this is the standard. We are going to talk directly face to face as people. And this is what I'm about.

And I need to show you that with looking in your eyes right now. I really like that point because I think people hear that and there are probably some folks first responses. Well, of course, the reporter likes it when the coach talks to reporters and treats them like humans, but that's not what you're saying. Like, it speaks to a level of emotional intelligence and just IQ generally in terms of managing human beings that is so important in being a head coach. It's not specifically about the media. It's about how he is managing. What is a very precarious situation? I was impressed with the way he handled the Rogers stuff, calling you talked about, like, just even addressing it. He could have been really defensive or weird or vague about it. He was just like, we're going to

talk, figure it out, which is, I believe, accurate to the situation. I don't think, I don't know, I, you know, I have my own thoughts about that, but I don't think that they've had their minds made up completely. What are your thoughts? I think they should move on from him. That's my, financially, if they keep him, they're going to be tied for another. There's a huge, huge, huge financial hit, not just this year or the next year. I also just think the vibe shift is necessary. You got to do what it takes to keep Garrett Wilson happy if I'm the Jets. So that's my take but let's just like not beat around like the most shocking and perhaps impressive part he sounds genuinely happy to be a new york which was not a foregone conclusion with this team like when

was the last time someone said were the freaking new york jets in a positive connotation and we all believed it like even the backside of new york i'm like wow that actually like you could read this as a negative if it was coming from anyone else but he really seems happy to be there he he really stressed that too that this was the only job that he wanted, that he made sure to schedule those second interviews with, I think it was the Saints, specifically, after the Jets, because this is where he wanted to go

and just talked about how he loved being there as a player and you just can't write the story of him being there before. And I think it's a good spot. It's different than it's been lately. They announced structurally, he reports directly to the owner. And the new GM, Darren Mugi, who, great.

job a Darren Mugi, who didn't have a lot of pizzazz at the podium. You don't blame him his first spot there. Like, he was completely ignored. And he loved it. He literally got one question at the press conference. And he's like the new general manager of the Jets. And the one story he told was terrible. He talked about how impressive Aaron Glenn was in this interview with the Broncos back in 2022 that when they were interviewing him, they were like, what are you going to say to, you know, the team on your first day? And he's like, well, you want me to do it now? and he said he was the only coach that was like yeah sure and he actually did the first day speech and the whole room was like oh my god this guy is amazing like and it really stuck with us

and then i'm like yeah bro but you you hired nathaniel hackett that's that is not a good end to the story like you you totally botched it but i i thought that i thought he's going to have a lot of power i think garen glenn and i like he got darren rizzie there Darren rizzie was at the podium coach riz is with him in New York. And yes, I have to think Aaron Glenn actually had an impact on Woody Johnson saying the words, quote, I have to look in the mirror

and be a better owner. I've covered, I've watched the Jets for 20 plus years. That is new. You have not heard Jerry Jones say that. No. Just saying. Good T's. Let's take a quick break and we'll be back talking about the Cowboys

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Back on NFL Daily. And yes, we're talking about all the new head coaching hires and the press conferences, ordering them by vibes. We'll also talk a little coordinator talk afterwards. But number three in vibes was Liam Cohen. I would say with the Jaguars. Everyone's seen the clip that's gone around. All right, let's start with that. Jacksonville.

The community. Every time. Every time. Do ball. How do we do this together? Okay. Okay. I've seen this like 100 times, obviously.

I think we all have. It's the facial movement. That's the problem. I've realized it. Because I think in audio form, if I just closed my eyes, it doesn't sound as bad. Do you guys agree?

Absolutely. It's the way he makes you feel. I'm actually wrong. Audio's bad too. Yeah, he was bad too. It's so good. It's the way he makes you feel when he's moving his face. That is, um...

I love it. I have to say, though. So I covered Liam, right? And so, okay, every Thursday, coordinators would do the press conference. This has been, I mean, like, he, at least he was himself, you know? Like, this has been Liam. This is him. This is Liam.

Yeah. So Liam, I said this when, I said this when he got. in the room with Baker, right? I was like, oh, I love this personality fit. What a vibes room that is right there. And it's sort of elemental to like Liam is, he's like, remind you, you know, the guy that like runs the surf shop at the beach and is like, yeah, you can do this. So he's a chiller.

You've never done this. Yeah, like you've never done this before in your life. Stand up on a surfboard. Like, you got this. And you actually do it. I think that's where, and it is like, we got to get that guy to stop moving his head so much, I think. But also, like, it is, he is such a vibes. It is such a head coach.

He was as an OC, as an OC in Tampa Bay with Baker Mayfield specifically, I cannot think of a more perfect vibes compliment to each other. Because you got this really heck and fired up kid, not kid now, but Baker Mayfield, who we know is just like so much dip on his chip at all times. and then you've got Liam Cohen. And the longer I watched it, the more comfortable. I thought that was maybe more awkwardness, but maybe that is just, he always is a little awkward. No, I have a post of him talking about playing complimentary football on my, that it's still on my Instagram account.

And he goes, we actually played complimentary football. And he's moving his head. And I'm like, it's just him. That's who he is. And he got more comfortable as the press conference went on it. And it was a totally normal fine press conference. And the vibe. actually in the room, I think we're quite high.

We should have him on the next time we do, things we're getting too high on. I think that maybe we should talk to him then. That was a controversial segment that we did. And I don't know if it'll be brought back, but I would love, Liam Cohen would fit on that segment. Maybe sometime in April. Not sure of the day. People were happy.

Like people there are happy that they got him. Like that was their guy. Yeah. And I thought as I watched the whole thing, it was a totally normal press conference. a little awkward when they were asking him about leaving Tampa and I didn't really buy what he was selling there about that. He just didn't answer the questions and was like, it was a great opportunity. And it's just all about the people here. And it's like, no, bro. Like, he basically,

he completely denied that Trent Balke getting fired had anything to do with him eventually taking the job, which felt a little bit like a lie, but also a normal coaching lie that I didn't really care about. In the room, I think they were all excited. Are you excited, Mina, about the Liam Cohen era in Jacksonville. Yeah, I think I really like the football fit. So let's start there. I mean, Jordan just talked about the work he did with Baker Mayfield, which is I think, you know, why I think we can all safely say,

why he has that job. But what struck me watching the buck's offense this year was just how quarterback friendly it was. Baker always had good answers quickly. He played the fastest football of his career in terms of time to throw. And then the run game, you know, some of the lot that had to do with the investment they made on the offensive line, no doubt. But you saw that run game evolve over the course of the season in a way that suited the talent of the players.

And when I look at Jacksonville and I think about this offense, which can't run the football well, you had a quarterback who at one point was playing like a top five quarterback, even though it was just two years ago, nobody remembers it. When he was playing fast, it feels like a good match between what we saw for the Bucks offense and what we know you need to get out of Trevor Lawrence in the future. Yeah. And Baker reportedly told him, not even reportedly, Liam Cohen said it. Baker was one of the people he talked to in this weird process. And Baker was like, go get it. Go get that job. So I don't know if, you know, the Bucks front office was feeling the same. I definitely heard. Reportedly not. Yeah, that the Bucks front office and the Bucks ownership was not thrilled because they thought they had a verbal agreement that was going to make him the highest paid coordinator. And he was part of that agreement was he wasn't supposed to even take a second interview. And and he goes without telling him, I don't really care about all that stuff in the end.

Coaches do that sort of stuff all the time. They do it to players. It's not great. It's not ideal. But I like it. I don't like the setup that he has. I'm a little worried about everything beyond the play calling, which I thought was fantastic last year.

Like, it was so exciting. He was that kind of hot coordinator that is going to bring, I think, a schematic advantage if he can bring that over what he did in Tampa. I don't know who the GM is going to be. there. But here's what they didn't do in that press conference. They didn't deny that Tony Bisselli is like quietly running the team, just a former player who does the radio there and has Shot Khan's ear. What? And like Trent Balke's not there anymore. And he was the guy who kind of had Shot Khan's ear. And they asked him like is Becelli who I think was the most important

person in this head coaching search by the sound of it. What type of job he has? And Chodd's answer was, well, we have to check with the league what we're allowed to do, but he will have some sort of position. So I'm not sure on the personnel side and the organizational side. The Jaguars have been pretty bad for the most part for a while, and there are systemic reasons for that. And he might be pushing against that, Liam Cohen. Yeah, also his agent played for the Jaguars once in time briefly,

but stayed connected with the organization. So there's obviously a knowledge of how it works there and how everything is structured and a clear understanding. of really what you're getting into if you're Liam Cohen. This is going to be interesting to me because when I watched his offense in Tampa Bay this year, which I loved, absolutely loved it, wouldn't shut up about it. You know this well, Greg and Colleen. But I saw shades and variations of the Rams offense from previous iterations of that

offense before, you know, Kevin O'Connell came in and changed the things. And then before Michael Fleur and Sean McFafei and Matthew Stafford changed even more in 2023 and 2024. And I saw a Chris Godwin who was being deployed a lot like Cooper Cup in the Z role, but in a very much expanded version of what another team would call a slot receiver, being able to do a lot of things autonomously, really saw his target share increase. I saw a better run game than the Rams had had when Liam Cohen was, was the OC for LA in 2022 and only 2022. And I also saw that they had a great offensive line, to your point, Mina. And these are all things, you know, he's going to have a really great offensive line as well. He's got the quarterback

in Trevor Lawrence. I've always wanted to see Trevor Lawrence in this type of system. For me, though, and I've sort of said, it seemed like Liam was pretty open all year about the fact that maybe he was a year away. I think this is a really friendly market to onboard as a head coach as in that division? Absolutely. Yeah. And also it's a and like, you have an O line and you have a quarterback. I don't think they feel like they have an O line necessarily. But I think pieces of it, right?

But I also think that for me, this is going to be, what does the next version of this offense look like after you put on tape what probably is going to look functional and cohesive in 2025? I have no doubt that they'll come out firing. Nobody's going to know really what to expect from Trevor Lawrence in this

system. And they'll put enough pieces around. But similar to like a Bobby Sloick after one year trying to move this offense into the next phase, even though he had not actually been part of the process of doing that. I'm very curious as to what Liam Cohen is going to do beyond this year, what his offenses are going to look like in the 2.03.04.0 versions of what Kyle Shanahan, of what Sean McFey, who he specifically, the latter, was very connected to in his press conference and thanking him for his guidance and all of that. And so I'm curious about what that's going to look like

after they come out hot probably in 2025. What is 2.0, 3.0? How do you evolve this forward if you're Liam Cohen? To me, that's what this job actually is. Yeah, is he like the leader of men type of guy, too. Is he something I'm thinking about? Like, and just being able to organize an entire organization that's going to need some organizing.

You weren't convinced by the Duval that he could do a great speech in the lab room. You know what's underrated about part of that? And let's get to the Cowboys after this. But let's listen to one more time. It's the intro to it. I'm glad because the first. four-second clip that went around Twitter for the most part in Blue Sky. It was just the Duval, but I really like that.

It kind of came out of nowhere that you can almost hear what the PR director said to him right before he got on the podium about talking about Jacksonville and the community. Let's listen again. Jacksonville, the community. Duvall. How do we do this together? and his eyebrows he's got the eyebrows that kind of switched during it too I got it like Jacksonville the community as time wears on

is becoming a bigger and better part of that for me it's really like an under underrated gem I had a whole other normal quote I was thinking no about going out there to show that it was actually pretty good it actually was totally fine it was a totally good normal press conference it was not Adam Gase with the Jets I promise I watched the Wow. That was a time. Yeah, imagine though if he had hit him with like, we're going to take it to the limit. Like a real deep cut throwback. I do want to plan out. Then he would have won over the internet. Yeah, true. I do want to say, though, it's interesting the juxtaposition, I wonder what you guys think about this, between Ben Johnson's opening press conference, when he adamantly and very specifically was like, I don't care that I, you know, I never had a famous last name. I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, basically.

making these sort of references not so subtly to the McVeys, the Shanahan's, saying overtly, he wanted to beat, Kubiak's, saying overtly, saying overtly, he enjoyed being Matt LaFleur specifically. I think the juxtaposition was very interesting to me because, you know, Liam Cohen came out and it was like very Sean McVeigh heavy, right? And so I think that juxtaposition, I'm just, I'm tracking it. Yes. Liam Cohen made a point over and over

to give Sean McVeigh a ton of credit saying he would be honored to be considered part of that tree and that was graduate school and his whole life was changed by being in the Rams building and was loving up his old boss. Let's go to Dallas where, yes, it's fourth in vibes because Brian Schottenheimer was very happy to be there

and was tearful and I thought did a good job and I thought had a real head coach haircut. like it was a good Schadenheimer sort of like a haircut with kind of like a little fate like it was good it was I appreciate okay all right he was great he was emotional he did what he could but his bosses Jerry and Stephen Jones were so incredibly defensive that it felt like the whole press conference was settling scores and the tone was set early even by the reaction that that they got started the press conference. Our new Dallas Cowboys head coach, Brian Schottenheimer. This is amazing. And Chief Operating Officer, Executive Vice President and Player Personnel, and co-owner Stephen Jones.

All right. Yeah, we'll clap for you. That's crazy. It's like a strange hire from the outside looking in because people aren't excited about what they've seen out of Brian Schottenheimer offenses. And I do believe he is planning to call plays. By the way, Aaron Glenn is not going to call plays.

Liam Cohen is going to call plays if we're tracking that. I think Brian Schuytenheimer could be a better head coach than he was an offensive coordinator. They actually made a fairly compelling case once he got past a lot of the just defend. Who did the case? I actually think, I think that they made a compelling enough case that they wanted to have

continuity and a change at the same time, which is confusing. But the case that he made that, like, look, we've never met these. People want us to bring guys from out of the building and hire them and we've never met them. And that seems crazy to me. Yes, that's part of the point. I do get that.

But I also kind of get that that seems crazy to them too because that's not how like most businesses work. And I don't think that's that crazy that you could have a broad spectrum of people that you at least know within the NFL and you would have a feeling and he's in your building every day. I don't think like that's necessarily that crazy of a way to hire a coach.

It's more of the Schottenheimer of it all, Mina. And you watched him as the offensive coordinator in Seattle. He was up and down there. He's had some pretty rough years as a coordinator. He's had some okay years. What did you make of all this? And that he's getting his first chance here at age 50. He's no longer just Brian.

He's the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, what Jerry said. I guess the familiarity thing I think would resonate with me more if it was a successful organization. And you could say, well, the Cowboys have been successful recently. But, you know, the offense felt really stale last year, even before Deck Prescott got hurt. It has felt like this is, I think there are some teams where you're like, I understand why they're sticking with someone in the organization, maybe, or someone people are excited

about, this is not one of those teams. This is the team that I thought felt like really needed to be shook up in some ways. And they went in the obvious opposite direction, pardon me. I did find something very interesting about what Schottenheimer said, though. And I'm curious to hear your guys' thoughts on this. He, when he spoke, and he was, I thought, fine. normal and presented well, but he was oddly specific about the offense. I don't know if you guys heard that part. He used all the great buzz words. Yeah. Yes. He was like, we're going to use

cuts splits and motion and we're going to improve the run. And I was like, whoa, first of all, that never happens, right? That's why it jumped out to me. Usually it's buckle up your seatbelts, you know, this is just football is much more normal. But also made me think he might be distancing himself from the Mike McCarthy offense. Because you guys remember, he didn't call plays. McCarthy took over play calling after Kellyn Moore left. So I do wonder if Schoenheimer is trying to signal, hey, we're going to go in a different direction here. And if I was a Cowboys fan, that might be the glimmer of hope I'm finding in all of this. Maybe because, Greg, you talked about like, Sean, in Seattle, he did call an incredibly explosive offense that kind of hit a wall for a litany of reasons.

But there's a possibility that we might not have seen from him the kind of offense he actually wants to call in Dallas. Supposedly Clayton Adams of the Cardinals is the favorite to be the offensive coordinator. And Clayton Adams is one of those guys who's kind of known as a run game, you know, creative savant. He's an offensive line coach, which is an interesting thought, and very creative and has a great reputation as kind of one of those guys. And yeah, to your point, I think that would be interesting. And then you have Iber Fluse is probably going to be the defensive court. It's not the higher yet. Like, you better be careful.

Reportedly, allegedly. I believe it was, Edwarder, your old co-worker, developing news, put it out that they are hiring him. And then, like, minutes later, Edwarder put out another two. It was like,

actually, they have to comply to the Rooney Rule. They are learning now, and they will be interviewing people. So that's unfortunate that it all seems like a sham and that Iberflus is getting that job. Damn, they're only just,

that's crazy. That sucks. That's the other thing about the Jacksonville situation that really was grimy, like, too, by the way. just to, yeah, anyway. I think what you said about the scheme-specific stuff

was interesting, Meena, because I really got the sense that Dak Prescott had a big role in this hiring. He's very close to Schottenheimer. Both Jerry Jones and Schottenheimer kind of talked about how much support Dak has for them. He talked a lot about tempo, very specifically. Like, we want to be a tempo team. And it's Dak Prescott's team.

And Jerry was funny, though, just talking about like, well, when I was in the meet, And it would be sad in there on a lot of those Mondays, but then someone in the corner would say something. And I'd say like, oh, yeah, that's a pretty good point. Who was that? And it was my guy shoddy. He also called him a puppy. He's 50 years old. He's a puppy. So, I mean, that makes Pete Carroll look pretty young as well. Just a young dog at that point. But the continuity, I think, is important because those relationships are already in place. And Brian Schott and has been waiting for, no pun intended, his shot for a while now. And he even said that he was not ready years ago. And of course he's going to say now he is. But think about all of the notes that he's been taking and just watching how everything works in that building and probably noting anything that is dysfunctional and knows what needs to be changed. Now, it's a matter of will they have the resources to actually do the things that need to be done and will it work?

does he have the right ideas. I could buy that he is like a people person that is better maybe at that aspect of the job, which is kind of what the Cowboys job is because they have so little power. Like you were hearing Mike McCarthy essentially complain, he didn't even have power over his own schemes some of the times.

Like that's a rough situation. Let's actually, let's listen to one thing Jerry said that he liked about Brian Schottenheimer. Like, you know, sometimes it's cool to have a guy who's been around the block. I like his baggage. I like his baggage.

I like that experience. And one of the things he said to his mama is mama, I'm going to get what Daddy didn't get a chance to get. I got a chance, but didn't get. And I'm going to get a Super Bowl if it kills me. And his mother, of course, was emotional. This one will be for Daddy. The first one will be for him.

I appreciate Shottie's facial expressions through that entire, like I felt he struck the right balance between uncomfortable appreciative. and stoic all at the same time. It was a lot of mommy, mama and daddy. And it was a lot of crying. And it reminded me so much, Mina of that landman speech.

The whole thing, it was all about daddy. I was actually moved. I was like, do it for Marty. You can do it. I mean Jerry Jones probably says daddy on a daily basis more than any of us

are comfortable. Sorry. This, you know what, watching, we aired that a lot of the Jerry Presser. And there's other parts where he's basically,

he's just negging him for half the time he's like yeah nobody thought this dude would be head coach nobody thought he had much of him he has a lot of baggage he kept saying this is the biggest risk i've ever taken hiring a man without head coaching experience we're like that literally happens all the time it felt like have you guys ever been at a wedding where like uh the brother-in-law or someone's giving us a toast and it's like 15 minutes in and they're still like he's a real piece of shit you're like are you going to get to like the nice stuff soon to like he He did on his last girlfriend. He didn't even finish college. Mom and dad hated him. And you're just sitting there like, oh, my God.

Because he's going to turn positive at some point. That's how I felt watching that. A full roast. Can't wait for Tim Wolf's wedding. It was. It was sort of the opposite of what I said with the Jets. Remember I said that was like 15 minutes long and the opening speech was short. And the Cowboys thing went on for like 80 minutes.

And I made this thing. I was like, I'm going to work while having these on in the background. I was like, I'm going to get on with my day, Jerry. It's like still going. We had to go off it on NFL network. Like, it'd have been too long. That's pretty classic of when he holds court at the league meetings, too. He'll say, make multiple points and then counter his points and then make a new point.

You have to stay the whole time to make sure you get the full picture of what it was. He just holds you hostage. Yeah. And he knows it. He holds court. Like, he has the floor. And not surprised to see the acting chops, by the way, for that reason. So this, I had a buzzword that really, like, set off a flare in my brain.

And I did, you just, I just went back. and I remembered some of the shots of his face when the Green Bay Packers put up 48 points on him. And when Shottie said, marry the run in the pass, that is something that I remember when Matt LaFleur was first kind of getting his feet under him. And then further after him,

Kevin O'Connell was getting his feet under him. The talk and the conversation about marriage of the run in the past, specifically as it pertains to making everything look the same, run or pass out of the same pre-snap looks, getting your motions and your timing correct on those running play action and getting your passing game deployed

out of establishing play action. I just thought back when he said that to Jerry Jones's face and there were many shots of him sitting up there as his team got their butts kicked by an offense that does that extremely well and is known for that type of thing and also further

whose coaches are known for using that exact language and you talked about his notes, Colleen. I have no doubt that Shottie's been sitting back and taking notes over what works in the league. Now, will he have... Let's go. We're in on Shottie. Will he have the runway, the autonomy, the support? Will he get the play? You know, will all of it work? We don't know. We just never know with any of these guys. But that was definitely a buzzword, a flare word for me, set off some along. He does have a quarterback. He's got C.D. Laman, Michael Barts. I mean,

he's got some things. It'll... He has a chance. We'll see. I'm not, I'm not like writing him off. I think people have been a little too crazy. Just, because how they've presented it is understandably getting picked apart is so defensive. And again, it's a lot of daddy. It's a lot of wife talk too. Emeka was sitting next to me while this was happening. It's too cold in the

garage right now to go out there. And so I had it on. She's like... What do you mean? Do you usually go to the garage? Yeah. I go watch, go work in the garage or whatever. And it's a lot of, like, she's like, why doesn't he just tell his wife at home how much he loves her? Why does he have to do it up there? It's a lot of

wife and mom and dad talk up there at the podium. I don't know. Family franchise. Yeah, but it's like, hey, thanks for sticking with me when I'm never home. All right. Oh, no. Mina, we've taken up a lot of your time. I do want to get your thoughts quickly on your new Seahawks coordinator before we let you go.

That was it for the head coaching hires. But an interesting hire. Another familiar name, Clint Kubiak is the Seahawks offensive. coordinator was with Minnesota and then was with the Broncos. Briefly was the play caller there when Nate Hackett got fired and was with the Saints last year. Now he's going to be Gino's guy. Do we think he's the right guy to steward the next era of Gina? I just realized his brothers are Clay and Klein and they all their names start with Kay, all of KubiX. It's a kettle of KubiX. I'm trying to make that stick all year.

I know, right? It's like, we're taking risks in the NFL. Brian Schoenheimer, Clint Kubiak, all these kids. Yeah, I think I'm optimistic, but cautiously. I think the Saints offense was really hard to evaluate because of all of the injuries. Obviously, quarterback being primary, but really, I thought they were tanked by the offensive line. And I think that does concern you because we all know that's the weakness of the Seattle offense. I think they're going to try to fix it this offseason.

but I think that would be my biggest question is can he find a way to adapt? Because, you know, Jordan's talking about running, everybody wants to marry the run the past. But it's a lot harder when you can't run the football and it's hard to run the football when you don't have a good offensive line. And this is a nuke, basically nuked the Seattle offense, right? It nuked it this year for Ryan Grubb, who went from calling offensive Washington with one of the best offensive lines in football to a very bad one and couldn't adjust. And I think that's going to be the challenge for Clint Kubiak.

That said, I think some of the principal. bulls. He's from the Shanahan tree. Shocker. I guess it's his dad is so not really. I don't even know. He's from Kubiak's tree then I guess literally, physically. He is a rancho. Keep going to. Keep sharing. Keep sharing. How does that work exactly? How does the tree start? Yes. Well, as Jerry Jones can tell you. He kind of is the Clint Kubiak. If you were a Kubiak, you'd be calling with a K. weird, super weird. It's never been done, I don't think.

I've never seen a Colleen with a gay. Clint Kubiak is sort of the most direct Nepo baby possible because he really started with his dad and then the organization that his dad won a Super Bowl four kind of picked him up after that and then when he needed a better job Kyle Shanahan gave it to him

because Kyle Shanahan got his first job from his dad and now here he is in Seattle. Ventry now on his own. I think there's another Kubiak still on the 49ers. Yep, Clay Kubiak is still on the 49ers staff. They don't look like, too, by the way. I'm looking at a photo. Well, they all come from the same tree, Mina.

Yeah, that's right. If you want to hear more about the kettle of Kubiak, wait, wait, come to the Belasco. No, what's up? I have one more thing for Mina. Mina is Nick's family hitting you up for a ton of tickets for the Eagles. No, but this is the thing we can maybe end here

that I wanted to say about Colleen, which is I love doing podcasts with her because this is by far the most credibility I get with my in-laws is when I do anything

with Colleen. Like most people, like usually the number one thing I get asked about working one thing I get asked about working as Spanish do you know

Stephen A. Smith, right? I'm telling you, though, if it's people from Philadelphia, do you know Colleen Wolfe? Amazing. What is she like in person? Does she smell good?

No, I'm just kidding. My in-laws were like crazy like Silver Linings Playbook style Eagles fans talk about Colleen like like oh no I love that they knew her they're like she's come up so they're like legitimately so proud of you because you like came up through the local Philly and anyway so they're going to be so impressed they think it's so cool that I know you that's really funny and the fact that we lived in the same neighborhood growing up I did and Nick and her his family lived in the same exact like development so yeah kind of a small world weird right

it is a small world yeah Colleen is hosting Colleen's hosting me to tell him she's hosting the Super Bowl like the Super Bowl the Super Bowl just like in stadium yeah it's like I'm going to tell them but I'm going to say but don't watch opening day because there's a more important show going on in lost no you can watch it because you're in Philadelphia but not if you're in L.A come to the live podcast Screw calling, Wolf. Perfect. Yes, the show is... I love your in-laws.

Tell them I said hi. Seven to nine p.m. on Monday, February 3rd. The day before we get on a flight to go down to New Orleans, doors open at 6.30. And yes, as we mentioned, all proceeds from the ticket price will go to support the Red Cross, California, Wildlife, Disaster Relief. I can't wait. It's going to be really fun, Mina.

What are we going to do? We'll have to talk about it. We're going to make it great. No, you could probably get into some football. I suspect that'll be a dabble. A dabble. What fun. Mina Kimes, everyone.

And check out her podcast, the Mina Kimes show featuring Lennie. We love Mina. Check her out on NFL live. Say goodbye in the manner of Liam Come. Goodbye. You're so creeped out right now, right? You're so creeped out right. I am creeped out.

It's the movement that does it. The great Mina Kimes. We will wrap up our show. We're going to actually tie a few. Loose ends here. Okay. The three of us. All right.

After, we're going to talk like a surprise. We're going to get, yep, I am surprising you a little bit. We're going to talk to the coordinators just to like, I just feel weird that we haven't mentioned. Robert Sala is back with the 49ers. That's weirdly of all these moves, maybe the one that is going to have the most impact. I like it. Who wins the Super Bowl next year?

Like, of all these? Like, can't you imagine this time next year being like, Sala returned to the 49ers and here they are back in the big game like they figured it all out like I can totally see that happening that's kind of a massive move for them I think the players too are like really excited about it yeah they're going to be fired up I'm excited about this because three years after this move has been made something new will have been formed or shaped between the battles that practice that those two famously got into between um Kyle's offense and Bob Salah's defense and like the clashes and the yelling and then the brainstorming that happened after that, like, is legendary and new things

will come out of that. I think that is what Kyle Shanahan's most looking for. If you sort of read the tea leaves in San Francisco right now is new ideas. And re-finding that person who helped set you on a course with some new ideas in your offense. He sucked all the life out of Mike McDaniel and he's gone and all, you know, Robert Sala and he's gone. All of the Kyle Shanahan whorexes have been spread. He has been there a while. I was thinking about Kyle Shanahan when Mina said about the message getting stale, maybe a little bit for Pete Carroll.

It is a bit of a danger. Bill Barsells always thought it was like eight years, I thought was his number. Maybe it was 10 years. But there is, it's hard to like reinvent yourself as you go. And that's what they're trying to do. There's a cycle. Who knows if any of us will even be alive on Sunday. Yes, that's something Kyle would say.

Maybe he'll hire his old friend Bobby Slowick, because we hadn't mentioned that he was let go by the Texans. Not a surprising move to me based on what they looked like on paper, but is surprising in the sense that D'Amico Ryans is going to be a third-year head coach and his team has made the divisional round back-to-back years. And so you don't want to celebrate a firing, but I think that showed something from D'Miko Ryans, and I think it made sense.

So we'll see who's going to be the option there. The Bears announced that, that their offensive coordinator is going to be a man by the name of Declan Doyle, who Ben Johnson spent time with in New Orleans in Sean Payton staff. And Sean Payton took him to Denver. Is he straight from Dublin, this man? I don't think so because his dad was a strength coach at Iowa who ran into some controversy and was fired for making racist comments when Urban Meyer tried to hire him at Jacksonville.

And I was like, oh, wow. But that's his dad. not Declan for Ben Johnson to choose this guy and say that's the guy I want running my offense. He's like 28 years old too. He was born in 1996. My math's probably off. But it's crazy how younger some of these coordinators are getting here over here. They just keep getting younger and younger. And we keep aging. Denver. Denver staff keeps getting picked apart. Like some position coaches. That's that's another one. Darren Moji, I believe it is. Moji. The GM of the Jets was from from Denver as well. So Sean Payton, that's a credit.

To him. And then who am I forgetting here? I think that's... I think you got them all. I think we're good. I think we're good. Yeah. Offensive coordinators.

We'll announce them as they are official. We've talked about these guys enough. Now we have to actually see them do the job. Apparently, this really young guy, Tanner Engstrom, is supposed to be Aaron Glenn's offensive coordinator with the Jets, but that's not official yet. We'll see. He is the favorite. People thought he was going to get the job with the lions.

And Dan Campbell decided to go. with John Morton. That was who I was thinking of, who is 55 years old, not a young gun, and has been around a lot and was also on that Denver staff. So like,

Denver staff. Is it Nick Cayley in the mix, too? For offensive coordinator there for the Jets? Yeah, they're in there. Supposedly the reports this guy, Tenor Engstrom, who's very young. And I think maybe was surprised.

People were surprised that he didn't get the job. To my knowledge, Jets haven't requested Kaylee yet as of this, you know, as of yesterday when I looked into it. but this was, it doesn't mean it's not coming, but McVeigh was noting publicly that they haven't sent that over yet.

But you wanted to talk about Dennis Allen, right? Yes. Yes. That's what I was on my phone for right in front of you, rudely, just now, just trying to make sure we got the Dennis Allen. I think Ben Johnson, I think he had an idea of what he was going to do and he put it together. I think Dennis Allen can be a good defensive coordinator again in the NFL.

I wanted to mention something that started way back at the beginning of the season. And we made a promise to our listeners when we did the tiny table that we would circle back at the end of the year and we would decide who had the best picks. And it was supposed to be a committee of people. I think only one of those people that we announced as part of the committee is sitting back there right now. That's Eric Roberts. So Eric Roberts is going to decide who won the tiny table.

competition of 20, 25. I'm surprising everyone here. I meant to go over the over-unders with Mina, but we were running long. It's not. We made eye contact, like I had to have something ready and I'm like, I don't know what's happening. None of us do. Here are our, here are our picks. Oh, no. Okay. I'm going to give you my take on it before we even start. We all were pretty mixed. Like, it's going to be tough for you to pick, Eric. It's some good ones, had some bad ones. Mine were that the Seahawks will win the division. and that the Cowboys will collapse. Oh.

Those were mine. Jordans were the Texans are going to the Super Bowl. And a starting quarterback will get traded before the deadline. Colleen had some vague one, a vague one to start. Great. Perfect. But it was so right. The bills will run the football well all year long. Yay.

They did. And Trevor Lawrence will have a career best season We also had a speed round by the way I said Kyler Murray will get some MVP votes That's not going to happen And that Chris Olavio is going to have a monster season That's not going to have that didn't happen because of injuries Jordan had Max Crosby winning defensive player of the year

Not so much Jackson Smith in Jigba Being the number one receiver in Seattle There we go And then the Colleen had the Falcons winning the division And the AFC South getting three teams into the playoffs All right, the speed round, I don't think I've really prepared for that one. You skimmed right over this, too. We've texted about this all year, Greg.

Is that one of your big regrets the season is that you were so right about the Cowboys, but you moved off your tips so fast. The second week, I was like, I guess after they won big in week one, the second week of the show, I was like, I guess I was wrong about my tiny table. No, I was right. You got to stick with it. I don't know. We didn't exactly cover ourselves in glory here, Eric.

But you get to decide who is the winner. And the winner was supposed to get steaks. Yes. Like actual stakes. And what Jordan pointed out will be the deciding factors that you were wishy-washy about your Cowboys take. And I want the bills to win something this year. Colleen's take about the children of all.

Congratulations. Look at that. And I did not know that you would be the judge of this. I also forgot that this was a competition. So thank you. I'm honored. We saw that coming. Speech?

anyone you'd like to thank you know i i love coming in here on tuesdays my cnx tuesday crew has been awesome all season long this has been really fun this year and i can't believe we're all going to new orleans to watch the eagles in the super bowl this is the last one in the studio so i'm i'm glad we did it and i'm glad you ended up a champion thank you i meant to bring up i'm glad we all sniffed out gregg's attempt at manipulating the contest at the last minute okay so she's pushing me to it. I meant to mention the over-under draft with Mina back in the day. But it just felt like that was such a nice note that we went out on and I didn't want to bring that up awkwardly. It's a little awkward that I went four and oh for the and went undefeated

for the third straight year. There he is. He just cannot help himself. The bills over nine and a half. I mean, they had that early. The Bears under nine and a half nailed it. Forty-nineers didn't even sniff 11 and a half got that under. The Texans can't. came down to the very last week and Davis Mills got it done for me. Four and no. People are saying this is one of the most unbreakable records in sports, Colleen. I've heard that. We did this on the around the NFL podcast as well.

I'm just saying it. Three straight ears. Undefeated. It's a total 11 and no. I just want to say. Speech. Oh, that was your speech. I set my stopwatch just to make sure that you and Colleen had equal time.

You did not have equal time. You had more time than Colleen. I do want to give your son some credit. Oh, that's right. Walker made picks too. How did his over unders go? I went back and listened and you were going to, you said that you were going to bring him into that overunder show,

but he went kind of chalk and just picked the overs for last year's championship game teams. Okay. And we talked a lot of tree talk here. And your tree performed pretty well. He went three in one last. Wow. Wow. Great job by Walker.

He went over on the Chiefs, Baltimore. the lions and the 49ers all over their numbers. Can everyone stop saying the word daddy, please, for the love of God? I've never been more proud. Play the music. He nailed three of those. 49ers didn't come through with the, let's get out of it. Kevin Clark went three and one as well.

Mina went two and two with her picks. But she had a great first pick over Broncos by six wins. Yes. When we're circling our bets from the beginning, beginning of this season when it's the last time for see you next Tuesday. You know football's back.

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