NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - New Horizons Monday and Go Get My Lunch Recap

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

In a room full pf heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler get you caught up on news from around the league including the Falcons' search for a new coach (04:20), Bill Belichick's future with the Patriots (06:55), the Commanders moving on from Ron Rivera (11:50), Mike Vrabel's future (20:37), the Giants (25:50) and Jets organizational directions (29:00), and the fallout from the Saints' late touchdown against the Falcons (33:07). After the break, the heroes look back at their over/under predictions for the 2023 season (44:05), discuss their 2023 running back draft (52:20), and tell you who owes who a sandwich based on the their go get my lunch bets for the season (56:25).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dan Hansis, heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. People don't understand that. And it's not even Black Monday. How many times do we have to come on the air the day after the regular season and remind you that Black Monday is defunct? This is New Horizons Monday. It's good sometimes when the host of your show gets it. Like this guy gets it.

He really does. Like Dan, let's start here. Dan is a bastion of respect towards elders, towards people of authority and NFL coach types. So I think it starts with you and I appreciate that. I have a take that I just want to say because it is, this is all kind of an ongoing bit because, and Greg likes to align himself with these people too.

where, like, this is one of the hardest days. These are people and the stabs and all this. I totally agree with that. Like, people losing their jobs, no matter what the job is, is bad news. This is different in the sense that the coaching life, you sign up for this. Unfortunately, it's a transient type business where you never stay one place for too long. Look at Bill Belchick. How long was he in New England, Greg?

24 years. And counting, perhaps, who knows? We'll get to that in a bit. How many guys have been with them the whole time? Even the most stable position in the history of the head coaching in the last, in this century, that staff has been constantly churning. It's a great question. You're just moving and everything's moving.

I believe his assistant has been there. And then the other ones are the ones that came out of his ex-wife's body. I would believe those are the only. What a weird way to say it. The only people who have remained. Now, they weren't working for the Patriots the whole time, But technically, technically, they have been there. Can you just say that again just so we have it?

Never. I had a different way of saying it that would have been. Could it have been worse than that. Anyway, all I'm saying is it is by its nature. It's you're always moving around. And hopefully these men and women do buy new positions for next year? It is kind of a, you kind of just rotate around typically and hopefully you don't fall off the grid. It's also like high.

level executive transactional business where like if someone is working at like right aid and they get canned we'll go find your go find a new job and see if you can pay rent these guys are getting paid lavishly um by most of them that is why you think people push back that the vast majority i'm saying the head coaches the head coaches and general managers i and i understand about the assistants i get that and my my heart goes out scouting that that i i get that sometimes have you ever lost a job? Like sometimes losing a job can like, it can like

refocus, make you think about what you should go do with your life. So it's like not always the worst thing on the planet. Well, said. So maybe it's a great thing. Maybe we should celebrate it. Well, that's why we call it.

Yeah. Not Black Monday. New horizons. And we're going to get into it all. And then we're going to check in before we say goodbye here. by the way, if you haven't gotten caught up, we just dropped the week 18 recap banger,

two hours of just the mastery of the craft. So you check that out. Now we're going to get you caught up where everything stands in terms of personnel and also everybody cleaning out their lockers that didn't make the playoffs. So you have a bunch of pressers going on today. A lot going on. And we will close the door on our preseason predictions in the regular season.

Check in on our over unders. Check back. See where we ended up with a running back draft. remember that that was fun and also our sandwich props but let's start uh with the news and we learned late last night when we were recording aforementioned the aforementioned week 18 recap that arthur blank uh had indeed decided to part ways with arthur smith uh and they have started their search let's hear a little bit from the owner blank this is not from pbs and uh public radio's coverage this is from w x i a they have started their search but they have started their search but they

They do not have a timetable yet, Blank says. So I said initially we've kind of begun the process, if you will, doesn't take want to get going. So we're moving. But I also want to be clear on this is that there is no timetable. The only timetable is to do this correctly. Take our time, be thoughtful, do all the interviews, be respectful, make sure we have a full diverse slate of candidates that we're considering. The most interesting part of the Falcons Day, I think, was number one.

Terry Fontno wasn't part of that press conference. They said he will be involved in the head coach search, but his role could depend on what the head coach wants to do. So that, to me, sounds like... He heard that before. He's tenuous. It'll depend on a plan for him to work together, but again, it could depend on the head coach.

And thinking, well, who could it be? Deanna Rossini, among others, have reported that they're interested in Bill Belichick, which just gets me thinking, like, who is putting that out there and what is the purpose of that? Is it, is it Belichick's agent? Is it the Falcons letting Bill Belichick know that? I don't know. It is curious to me. Our network hasn't quite gone that hard there yet, but that is a very interesting combination.

Let me ask you this. Why does it have to be potentially Machiavellian? why isn't the team just interested in him and it's kind of just being... But you have to find out that way. You have to find out. So it's probably from the team. But maybe it's Rich McKay,

who's heavily involved in this. I'm just curious, like, why is that necessary? Maybe they're just trying to let them know, put a little pressure on the... It's the ancient dance. I think also, like, if they're talking about patience, Belichick may take some patience. That whole process will...

And if you talk about Belichick, if you're not going to go in with a powerful GM was going to run the ship. It's like, we want to find out what Belichick's role in all that is. And I think Arthur Blank is probably wanting to make this one work. It's been tenuous. Arthur Blank is not getting any younger.

And he wants to find somebody that can write the ship. And speaking of Bill Belichick, he called an early press conference this morning. And I was wondering late last night, hmm, early press comments, is he looking to hit the ground running and announced that he's leaving? This is the guy that once wrote on a napkin. He was resigning his HC of the NYJ, maybe it'd be dramatic. Not that, not quite that dramatic in his presser, Bill underlying that he can't really do anything right now because he is contractually obligated to be the head coach of New England Patriots. As far as any, you know, decisions or direction or anything like that for next year is, you know, way too early for that end of the year process is, you know, I don't think will be fundamentally any different from a, you know, the standpoint of how it's done. the decisions that's all another conversation but how it's done you know meet with

Robert like I always do meet with the staff personnel department kind of recap the season look at the big picture and then look at some of the individual situations that are yes you know looming one way or another so but that's you know obviously a long a long way off from where we are right now. Okay. So, but it is, he's saying that, but this, I would imagine, could potentially move pretty quickly here

because, you know, we're in the business now, hiring new coaches and if the Patriots need a new head coach and then people want Bill Belichick, this thing has to move. I mean, so he's been there for 24 years. You know, rough out of the gate, rough first season, but in general, he's never had to answer questions

like this before in New England anything like this it's completely new territory and I think that there's a couple things happening but it's like if you're craft in Belichick I thought the most shocking thing that could have happened was him coming out and giving you a note on a napkin because too much has happened

here historically yeah it would have been cool but it's not the Jets and he didn't decide he didn't want the job 24 hours after taking it or being to have it shoved on him like if you're if you're craft like you want to if there's going to be an exit it's not just, I don't, I don't think it would just be craft, flat out firing Bill Belichick. It's going to have to be some sort of, it's going to have to look a different way to the public, at least.

It's going to look a different way, I think. But secondly, like, if your craft and Belichick is getting interest from other clubs, like, do you just fire him? Or do you keep Bill Belichick, who's under contract so that if he's going to go somewhere else, you can trade the greatest coach in NFL history for assets versus nothing? It's like, what approach do you take? Is it respectful? Is it we're going to do this so it looks good? for everyone and put a fine bookend

on the story? Or do we get assets as the New England Patriots, a team in need of a lot for giving away the greatest coach ever. Gloria stated, reported yesterday that Belichick essentially has the power or they can't make that happen a trade. They can't.

He would have to go agree to it. I mean, if it was a place that he wanted to go, kind of like a show. But if it was the Falcons. So I do think you can take some interesting things from Belichick's press conference. Number one, he mentioned his contract voluntarily. He never says that.

So right there... He's never had to before now. He's never talked... That was very pointed. It was saying, I'm under Condor. I always look to our friend Tom Curran to interpret these.

He knows it. And he also says, as we tape this Monday afternoon on the East Coast, don't expect anything today. He thought it was very much Bill Belichick saying, if you want to fire me,

you're going to have to come do it. Like the whole trade thing, why would he help them take assets away from the team he's got to go. That's, it's not going to happen. I don't think there's any chance. The whole, let's make this warm and professional if we want you to step down.

We'll see. He might not be willing to do that either. He might be like, you want to come fire me, fire me. He did express a little bit of flexibility when they asked them about would you take on a GM? Would you listen to having a lesser role?

And he said, look, I would listen to whatever they think is in the best interest of the team. Again, Tom Curran thought, like, he's only going to bend so far. He's not going to change and become, like, a different person and start, like, answering to some GM who has final say. He says, there's always going to be someone that has final say. I don't expect him to be there, but this does seem like he's telling Kraft. If you want to fire me, it's like, you got to fire me. I'm not going to just walk away and make this easy. And I think there is some discomfort from craft of being the guy who got rid of Brady

and got rid of Belichick, which is natural. In other news, this was expected, obviously, and it went down and became official on Monday morning, New Horizons Monday. Josh Harris and the commanders have said goodbye to Ron Rivera, who is moving on after, what was this, his third season with the team? fourth four seasons at the helm he went 2640 and one in his four seasons uh they won the nfc east with a nine and seven record uh his first year but it's been uphill mostly with revera and then their eternal search for an answer quarterback is a big part of that new ownership uh new head coach

new brain trust also reported on monday is that uh harris has hired two prominent executives former golden State Warriors, John. I'm interested to get your thoughts on this Sestog. Warriors General Manager Bob Myers and former Minnesota Vikings Jim, Rick Spielman, to assist his ownership group with searches for the new head of football operations and head coach

that according to ESPN. This is a NFL, the rare for those of you that follow the NBA. An NFL story with a byline, Adrian Wodronowski. Woj and Adam Schaefter. So a Wojbom in the NFL. Mark, your thoughts.

on a Warriors executive entering the NFL fray here. Football is completely different than basketball. Thank you, Mark. Your thoughts on this. Knew that was coming. Go ahead, Greg. No, that was the bit.

Go ahead. Okay, so I... He's just helping with the search. Like, I have no problem with this, actually, and I've seen a lot of, like, outrage over it, and it's... Really? Yeah, a little bit.

Just listening to some stuff, and people need to chill. Why are they... Who specifically was outraged? It's just... It's just... some feedback I heard in general where it's just like radio stuff where it's like how could you possibly do this?

It's like well because you're Josh Harris but you're Josh Harris and like you're doing what I think someone like David Teper and other owners should do is like I don't know how to do this like I want help like I'm not going to be some sort of like heavy swinging guy that just

does what I want out of pocket like I thought it was instructive how much anger, irritation and mockery there was when the Browns hired Paul DiPedesta out of MLB because, like, he was going to be coming from a completely different sport, different thinking,

and he's actually done a lot of good work for them behind the scenes. And this is not someone who's sticking around for years and years. Bob Myers, maybe he has good ideas. It's like they're looking for the right person to lead them. I don't know what the critique is,

like why it's a big problem. I don't know if there is a criticism. I mean, I think radio guys just need angles and they talk. Here's Josh Harris on the path toward new leadership. Even though this season was hard for me and hard for us, it's hard to win four games. From my point of view, we are coming out of this with poised for a great future. A lot of draft capital, a lot of cap space, and I'm lucky enough to be supported by an amazing ownership group.

and obviously we think we're an attractive destination for the next generation of leadership. So there you go. I think the best thing you could say if your commander's fan, first of all, you got the number two overall pick. So you're going to most like bring in a quarterback. And this is not Daniel Snyder leading the charge. We don't know. I mean, Panthers fans, we're going to get to the Panthers in a second. Sometimes change doesn't necessarily equate to helping an organization.

But it absolutely helps to get Snyder out of the building. as they begin their latest rebuild here on the 21st. And they have requested to talk to an absolute flood of people already for both coach and GM. Right. The thing that was interesting, though, is they said they were looking for the head of football operations first. So they're just looking for someone to hire the other guys. But they're already starting the coaching interview. So that is a little confusing to me.

Supposedly Rahim Morris, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, possibly Jim Harbaugh. some people have said possibly Belichick so those are some of the assistants and then a bunch of GM candidates a guy who went to the same high school I believe as one of the executives there Adam Peters who's with the 49ers Alec Hallaby with the Eagles

different assistant GMs from around the league so they're getting after it fast Rick Spielman working at the 33rd team I mean the 33rd team could have a little coaching tree here the website there you go uh and other news so um i mentioned the panthers and it's been a obviously a rocky year uh really a dreadful year all the way around uh with david tepper at the front uh leading things uh coming off a fine for throwing a drink on jaguars fans and firing the head coach and brys young struggling through uh his rookie year and getting shut out again in week 18 so

they got they're starting from uh rubble right now and it will not be Scott Fitterer involved with this as well. The man standing next to Mr. Tepper when that drink went flying was let go on Monday. So Scott Fitterer is out and they are just casting a wide net trying to get this thing going. It never makes sense to keep the GM. And that's part of what I'm wondering with this Washington thing.

It's like your art, maybe it's just they're sending the request, but I do think you want to time this all up. If you're going to have a football ops guy, like you got to get that person in the building first and then the GM and sometimes you just pair the GM and coach and that's worked out too like less need and Sean McVeigh had no previous history that worked out less need was already in the building there but temper does not give me much confidence Josh Harris has already owned a sports team and I know sixers some Sixers fans would like disagree but ultimately you know they're a successful team I mean the process was painful but it worked out there was of the best teams in the league. And like, I don't, I don't think people think he's a terrible owner.

I think it's going to be like the most interesting coaching pathway here because like there's temp, Tepper has been talking. We know that. And it's not been good. And well, it's like you like coaches that are smart and like Belichick really like literally wrote the book on this.

I'm like, you don't go pair up with an owner that you don't feel part partnered with empowered by. And it's like, who's like putting the Panthers on the top of their list? They've got, you're saddled with Bryce Young. You don't know what's going to go on there. Like, you don't know what's happening with the general manager.

And like the owner feels about is hot and cold and all over the place as anyone in the entire league. I just think it's going to be very interesting to see like who even decides to interview and who would get farther enough in the process to say yes. And they've already started asking people not like what, you know, Chiefs VP of Operation Brandt Tillis, Buck's assistant GM, Mike Greenberg. we're not going to necessarily know these names that well, but it sounds like they're starting with the GM and then moving on from after that.

Tepper released a statement, but we did not hear from him on Monday. Fitter had been the GM since 2021. He was part of the search committee that last offseason hired Coach Frank Reich, who was let go after a one and 10th start. So yes, you could not be in a more rocky situation.

And money talks, obviously. It's not the most fertile ground for someone to come out of the come out of the woodwork, but the one thing Federer, the one thing that Tepper does have is more money than just about any owner in the NFL. So he's going to be throwing a lot at whatever candidates they decide

they want to be, you know, rebooting with that coaching staff under Frank Greg, they love to brag was the highest paid coaching staff in the history of the league. Like all the assistants were doing really well and they only made it through one year. So those assistants are still under contract.

Hopefully they get other jobs and then it's like, do they get to double up or is it I don't know. I think it depends on. That's a real new Verizon. That could be like packed into the contract. I thought that you don't get paid. You don't double dip. Like if you're Frank Reich and you took another hoke head coaching job. We'll have to text Josh him account. We'll have to find out.

He was the quarterback. But Frank Reich right now is like could be, he could sit in the Bahamas for the next four years. Frank I don't think he's double dipping. He indicated I think he's, he's had enough. My only goal. I had just saying he's making enough money for the next five plus years. Matt ruled a network and he signed like an eight year contract under Tepper. Right. And Matt Rule

then signed like a $7 billion contract in Nebraska because that's what with these college guys. They go back to college. They find great success and get paid like crazy. So again, see, a lot of these coaches, they land on their feet. They bring their guys with them. Hopefully that's what happens with all these Panthers people just kind of

fired off upon the hillside. All right. In other news, Mike Vrable, a lot of intrigue around Vrable, long time Titans head coach. He met with the Titans on Monday and the reporting out there right now is that his future is uncertain, Greg. Give me a percentage chance that Vrable's back with Tennessee.

Ooh. Well, I don't know. Has he met with the Titans yet? I think Ian Rapport said that meeting is coming. And just the fact that enough insiders are floating this out there. And Ian did it in a very professional way that made it sound like, you know, Mike Vrable likes Rancarth on their GM, but, you know, changes could happen. What are we tabulating right now?

I don't know. We're not tabulating. Well, you're asking for a percentage. Oh, okay. That's good. Did you give me the percentage? No. I'll give it. I'm going to give it high because I think this is like a power play. This sounds like a power play move where Vrable is just trying to take as much control as possible. And I think they want to keep Vrable. But there was a report, uh, again from I believe Diana Rossini that said he'd be interested in the Patriots job. If that we've heard that came open. But,

But this feels out of the power play handbook, which is like, we're going to make the Titans bend to my will. If I'm Mike Rabel and get what I want, and he might want a little different structure in terms of the front office. He seemed agitated. 70. Dating back to the A.J. Brown trade.

I mean, he was very, like, you could see him visually, like, annoyed during that draft process when they traded him away. And I would, whenever I hear, like, coach and GM have some issues, it's just like I kind of automatically just buy that. as that's absolutely true. And Rabel seems to like be slightly annoyed with the way that things have gone with the Titans

behind the scenes for a while. And so I would put it at like 65% that he stays. I think if the Patriots job came open, there's going to be pursuit of him from Kraft. I could see that potentially. Here's my hot take. Is Mike Ravel someone to be excited about if you're a Patriots fan?

We're five years in. I'm just thinking offense, offense, offense, offense. He's never found. and it's the same reason why I don't think Belichick is the right guy to keep right now because like he just hasn't had answers on offense. It's just been this old school sort of thinking and Brable cycled through all these coordinators

in Tennessee's never really hit on one. It's I just, that's not what I want as a fan. Well, quite frankly, that's why I've been pushing back a little bit on the Antonio Pierce thing. In general, and I have it with my own coach, a defensive coordinator and Sala, like if you don't have offensive minded place they can count on

like I feel like a defensive coach only goes so far like Frank Reich Josh McDaniels sure like Arthur Smith or three of the coaches that just completely were fired and failed Rabel's a good head coach I think Rable's a total disasters

at head coach so in terms of but Rable is a good like yes he is defensive minded but Rabel is a good head coach and I'd push back a little bit that when they had Derek Henry Tannel Hill and A.J. Brown, like, they had something

going on there. It's just they kind of aged out if he doesn't, if he doesn't stay with the Titans, I'd be shocked if he didn't get another job. Oh, yeah. I think he would be the bell of the ball. And I think the Patriots would be interested. I'm just saying like, man, that offensive line was bad for four or five years. And I do want someone that, that is able to

problem solve or like a Well, hence is an argument with the previous GM and maybe the current one too, though. Yeah. Brin Cartha's only been there for one year, too. So I think that feels a little more personal or maybe just that variable doesn't like that's been reported as that juice yeah an arranged marriage that hasn't taken and that's been part of the drama there uh in other news the cults uh they missed out on the playoffs

and heartbreaking fashion on saturday night uh but coach Shane steikin is not planning to make any major changes to his coaching staff and that includes defensive coordinator uh there's been speculation around dc gus bradley but stuyken said uh on monday i believe in continuity i'll say that he inherited Gus Bradley. Yeah. And I would say that, like, for some of the defenses around the league where it's like, we need to make a coordinator switch, Green Bay, other places. Like, I wouldn't point to the cults in my top five of that list.

Like, their defense was active and, like, an asset at times. I mean, Gus Bradley wasn't a big problem there. No, they've been fine. And then they worked together in San Diego, too. That was San Diego, right? Where Gus Bradley and Stuyken were both there at the same time. He's a likable guy. Gus Bradley.

He's always surviving. High energy. Don't look at his head coaching record in Jacksonville. I think it might be the worst percentage-wise, but he is a good DC and has been for a long time now. In other news, a DC opening is open in the Meadowlands because the Giants have parted ways with Wink Martindell. It's being called a issue where Martindale resigned as the D.C.

But it is no secret that Wink and Brian D.A. their relationship is the center of this, how this all went down. It was reported during the season that the two were in a, quote, bad place. And now Wink, after, you know, he was really, he was really celebrated, as was able last year, for getting the Giants

back to respectability, but the team sank to 27th overall defense this year, even though they tied for the NFL lead and takeaways with 31. So Wink is a lifer. Wink will find a job as well, but he's done with Daible and company. These things change fast. Reports early this morning from our network from ESPN across the board.

Sources saying the expectation is Don Wing-Martindale will return. Hour or two later, Brian Davel gets on the podium, is asked about it. It says, yeah, I expect both Don Wing-Martindale and Mike Kafka, my offensive coordinator, to return. And by the afternoon, the word is out. They fired his his assistance and he's resigned. They might have done the thing where they like fired the rest of his staff. And it was like, we'll, we'll keep you if you want. But they knew that he wouldn't do that.

And he goes out a winner with a nice game plan, stuffing the Eagles. Who knows, maybe the Eagles would want Wink Martindale next year. I don't know. Or next week. It looks like an upgrade from what they currently have. I like Wink. I think he could do the job. And other Giants news, by the way, Seekwan Bargley,

skipped his exit interview telling reporters they know how to reach me so that sounds like essentially there's a lot of speculation that sequins ready for a fresh start and perhaps he is after playing that one year deal where a lot of drama around his contract played through injury and had a nice season and he's probably looking for a fresh start but you never know money talks as I said he did all these goodbyes in the locker room and everything and skipping the exit interview and saying they know how to reach me yeah pretty strong statement said he was he was numb to them possibly using the franchise tag on him again which actually isn't that crazy an idea numb to it like you would deal with it word be a lot of money um but excuse me i don't think he's expecting a long-term deal

sounded like he wants out it shows you how fast the regular season shot by because i feel like we were just dealing with this like off-season drawing sayquan about four hours ago the rosethal one-on-free agents if barclay ends up on that list is he at top eight top five it's a really well right now because no tag has been issued no because it's a really good list right now but he would be in the top 15 and that's where he was last year and i think he looks even better than he did a year ago had a nice year put him on the chiefs or something let's go let's fly uh well maybe not the chiefs i would like to see him on a why not the chiefs are now in old patriots mode or whenever a player becomes available that's kind of spicy it's like put

him on the chief. But then I thought of Pichenko and he's like Mike Evans, put him on the chiefs. Like who's a, who's a contender that really could use a Sequin Barclay? Put him on one of those teams and let's see what happens. I like San Juan. Texans. Bronx native. All right. Texans. Yeah. They yeah. Yeah, they could use a running back. Okay. In other Meadowlands news, uh, the Jets had their end of season press conferences. Everybody spoke, including Aaron Rogers who, uh, told the reporters the number one thing the Jets need to do heading into the next year is quote flush the bullsh which i find interesting because rogers is kind of at the center of so much of the bulls around this team i mean we're just coming off

uh jimmy kimmelgate and and the and all the every week and part of this is about the way our league is covered but like every time he does the mackafee interview it's a storyline and some of these storylines don't have traction but then some do like when he says that Jimmy Kimmel might be on the Epstein list that gets released and it becomes kind of an embarrassing situation, which, by the way, I didn't hear from the Jets on that. I heard Disney and ESPN spoke out and McAfee did damage control on that,

but I didn't hear anything from the Jets, which, again, reminds you the reason you didn't is because Aaron Rogers runs the Jets. So the Jets aren't going to apologize for Aaron Rogers saying anything because Aaron Rogers doesn't want them to. Anyway, Robert Sala is the head. head coach, kind of. Aaron Rogers is kind of the head coach, too.

But here he is when I asked about, man, he's entering year four without ever making the playoffs, Robertsaw. They gave everybody a mulligan, his next year kind of all or nothing. Do you see next year as a playoffs or else? Rich Zemini. I always feel that way. I always feel like we need to win. You know, it's this profession.

it's results oriented that no one really cares about process or progress it's about winning and so for me personally always expect to win I mean it's just shifted completely into coach speak at this point

yeah he's 18 there's been times this year where he just didn't have answers and he would just like stare back or reporters with nothing to say I thought Saul was exposed a little bit this year but we'll see what happens with the quarterback given their setup I think it's the right move

to stay the course. Do you think it's the right move with Nathaniel Hackett? Like, I would say specifically, and that's the one thing where it feels toxic because... My name's Nathaniel Hackett. It's nice to see you out here. It's obviously Aaron's boy, but it's like, can't we look at the evidence to suggest that we need to make an upgrade or a change, but we're not going to. That's where it starts to feel ridiculous.

And also, you know, Salas says, you know, in this business, you know, the only thing that people care about is results, not progress, yada, yada. he's 18 and 33 Joe Douglas is 27 and 56 so they they are getting a long leash kind of an unprecedented leash and I just I cringe with so many of Salas press conferences now because you know he also said yesterday I think that they they exercised a lot of demons this year it's like bro what are you talking about because he beat Bill Belichick in week 18 one of the worst Patriots teams of all time like what other if you want to count that I'll even give you I'll be nice to you because the quarterback got hurt

play four, but tell me what other demons were exercised in your tenure since week one. I feel like we opened the door and in came of the agent of the team. What are you talking about, dude? I got to give my old boss, Florio, some credit. I love his headline talking about Rogers here. The headline, Aaron Rogers urges Jets to Shed BS, comma, teases Tuesday ESPN appearance to talk Jimmy Kimmel. There you go.

Because, yeah, Rogers said, I'm not going to talk to you guys about it to Rich Samuni, but watch on Tuesday. I will address it then. That's part of what you signed up for. And I was willing and still am willing to live with it. But what you were supposed to get is also Aaron Rogers on the field. Yeah. It's still blows my mind that I get all this, but not the, I never got to see him play on the field yet. And here we are. You got hard knocks. That was an awesome, awesome run.

It was a great summer. All right. In other news, Dennis Allen, not a very popular man in New Orleans, even after a strong close, the Saints finished 9 and 8 second in the NFC South did not make the playoffs though for the third straight year. However, Dennis Allen said at his end of season news conference that when asked if he expects to remain head coach, that is my expectation. Yes. So Dennis Allen, as of right now, he's feeling pretty safe. And since we're talking Saints, really just I can't I can't get enough of James Winston who was the quarterback on the field when they are in a victory formation and then pivot into a handoff to get Jamal Williams's

first touchdown of the year because he's been such a warrior for them by the way one take about that all right like if you really feel Jamal deserves it and you then line up in the i formation and and run it to to then also do the trick play though to Pearl Harbor it on top, that one, that's a bridge too far. But, listen, James Winston was at the controls. So what do you expect? Here's a little bit of James after the game, because he was holding court and he was enjoying himself.

And I just, I love listening to him talk. Well, I apologize to DA because the play was victory. But I also explained to DA that it was a team decision. And I think when you have a team around and I asked a guy, like, what do you want to do? We know how much Jamal means to this team. And I understood from DA's perspective. So I give him that. But DA didn't condone that at all.

You know, he didn't. However, we decided as a team to do it. And, man, we got an interception to the one-yard line. Yeah. You know, like, so if we were to score, would it still would have been disrespect? I think it's the most enjoyable thing that's happened in months. I love he, with all due respect,

it's like the fool that doesn't realize really what he's saying is he's speaking that it's actually makes it worse for your coach. After you already sold him out on the field then to be like to explain it to the media in a way that actually made Dennis Allen come off worse. Like we decided as a team what we were going to do with like no disrespect

to DA. It's like, I don't know, man. And then to top it off, here is, I just, you want to talk about comedy. It got better Mark. Yes. Because then there's some other journal who comes in, I don't know what his deal is. I don't know if he's a saint's beatwriter or a falcons beat writer or who he is.

As a Saints guy, I'll try to find the name. He starts to pontificate about his opinions and his feelings respectfully. Do you think we regret that? Well, you do have to play these guys twice a year. That's all I'm saying. This music in the back. I know what I'm talking about. You know, somebody has got to play these guys twice a year.

That's all. How do you feel about it? Tell me how you feel about it. Not good. Why don't you feel good about it? Because you got to run these guys twice a year. But what about it makes you not feel good about it? The head coach shows you to kneeling up?

You're asking my opinion. Yes. I think you should have kneeled it out. Okay. Well... I'm just telling you as respectfully as I can. You answer my question. As respectfully as you could.

And I'm telling you as respectfully as I can that I respectfully disagree. That's all. You disagree with me or the entire team? Think you ever made that decision? Okay. So you disagree with the entire team. So thank you. No, I'm just being... I'm being honest and respectful.

honest and respectful. And that's what I'm attempting to do to you. And that's what I am doing. And that's what I am doing. And the siren and the club music going off in the background. You just can't make it out. There was one part that was not part of that clip.

And I recommend anyone find the whole three minutes. It's great. Where he was like, where he did kind of let the mask fall down a little bit where he's like, so the, you know, the first 41 points, that didn't, that didn't make you upset. It was the last seven that did it.

It was just like, I love it. But you know, I did think it was kind of telling many, many Saints players have been tweeting out today from Jamal Williams to your old friend, Mark Ingram, my dog, Mark with a C, to Jimmy Graham, just how much they love James Winston and that he's one of the best teammates ever. Here's Jimmy Graham. This man is the best teammate ever had. Get off his back. Loves the city. This game embodies everything you can ask was a rare situation. We all take responsibility. No one thought it would get out blown out of proportion. Also, fuck the Falcons. Yeah. That's what a lot of it is the robbery. Listen, I would love to be friends with James Winston. Yeah.

I mean, I'm going to win a playoff game before James Winston does, though. Like, I'm sure he's a great guy and a great teammate, but he is a goober, man. I don't know. I kind of like, I know. I really enjoyed, like, how he answered, how he went through that conversation there. Respect. He's like, Dennis Allen does not condone it. However, like, doubling back into his own.

It was over the second he goes, yeah, I apologize to the eight, but it was a team decision, which is so funny because like, Dennis Allen's the coach of the team. And he's like, no, this is our team. But I don't, does he realize? Does he realize in his, what I do, and what he's saying that he is essentially selling out. Yes, I think they know. I don't think he knows. I think he knows, and this was, I'm taking this from some of the writers, he knows he's not going to be back there. he knows he might not be a favorite of Deniselle.

I don't think any of these things are made in a vacuum. So when people are saying like Dennis Allen's lost a little bit of the control, I think that's true. I think, I mean, I think like, James is just saying like, I'm out of here. We're going to do whatever the hell we want. Right. You know, you could, I know everything's awesome.

So I'm just saying that was kind of a messed up thing to do. That's all. I hear that. I mean, I think the interview was awesome. Yeah. It makes life difficult for Dennis. I'm just saying, I know that everything is always like, Oh, it was so amazing.

Everything is amazing. It was a tough situation for Arthur Smith, a tough situation for the Falcons there at the end of his tenure. And then, you know, there were elements of it that I would, I'd be, if it was your team, you'd be furious, put it that way. But that's the rivalry also, the Falcons and the Saints. And it makes next year even more excited. I think Falcons fans were so mad at that team.

They were like, we deserve it. And I think we, as fans, we would keep it all in perspective, which is part of what I enjoyed about James. as yes in the context of what went on I guess it's a serious conversation but it's not the most serious thing that has ever happened in the world and you can almost see he was having a little fun with it the the wild eyes he has too I love the wild eyes Jesus has all right let's take a break and then we'll close the door on some regular season predictions and then get out of here what's up everybody Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm bucky Brooks on move the sticks we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters every week we study the tape talk to decision makers and share the insights you won't find anywhere else is the kind of conversation

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Chimes? It's a harp. That seemed more like a harp. What would you call that then? I've never played a harp, though, so I'm not coming from a place of authority. Not a plucking. That's a plucking of the strings of the harp,

which means it can only mean one thing it's new horizons monday gregg you were in a band who was an acid prog rock emo outfit did you ever play the harp with delaware no uh there were a variety of instruments uh andy christin hinkley jeff lash i was not a talented musician what was your role my sister-in-law karen though can play the cello that's that's i don't know is that a harp that's a cello your brother is a gifted guitarist. Oh, yeah, he is, he's a, what do you call it when you play a bunch of stuff? He's a, uh, in every man for me an instrument. But yes, guitar and piano, certainly. Uh, do you, perhaps you should have recruited him to Delaware and maybe you'd be touring the world

right now. But his music is a little more refined, I believe. Well, now, back then, though, he was playing clubs and stuff with like, you know, white snake type music. But yes, he did end up kind of conducting, what did you, writing classical music. He ended up. Your brother and actual musician, what did he how old he's older right five years older yeah what was his first reaction when he told him that you were in a band he was in college and couldn't have cared less and probably didn't ask me any questions for about a six year period i mean he was off in montreal doing but you were the you were the lead singer lead vocals yeah he was on vox totally there was other people would sing but yes i was the most were you the principal songwriter of delaware as well no andy moody was but i was number two we

kind of... Like a Lennon McCartney. Sure. I would say Andy Moody quietly was the key behind the whole operation. But yes, I wrote some songs as well. Such as.

Give us a title. Nordic track, I remember. That was a good one. Nordic track. Nordic track. You close the show with Nordic track. That was a big hit, yeah.

When will you release the tapes, finally, before we move up? I don't have the tapes. I'm not aware of any tapes. Why did you write a song about a treadmill? I don't know. A society.

This is feeling like you're on the treadmill. and you can't get all this. No, that's a good, I'm wondering if that's, you felt that way at that age that you were already on a treadmill, despite being in an emo band. He was listening to a lot of Billy Corgan at the time. Maybe we were just big fans in Nordic.

I think it was about it was a great piece of equipment. Scott was, like, despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage. I think that was Greg's interpretation of that thematically. How do you know? I'm a big fan of Delaware. You've never heard of, like, a bar of it.

Not yet. I will find some other song titles. I'll go to look for them. All right. And again, the word is out on the streets. If you have any connection to the band Delaware, which came out of Worcester Mass in the late 90s, early 2000s, and you have access to a tape, any type of demo. I grew up in Wilbraham Mass, not Worcester.

Close. We got to find this Andrew Moody guy. Like, it sounds like we've got a name. Andrew Moody. Anybody connected to this band, Delaware, Greg's brother. Maybe Greg, in a moment as a team. teenager he looked to his big brother and said hey dean this is what i've been working on and maybe he handed the tape over and the brother has a tape possible hey bro he and check this out let me know

what you think it's it's our debut album which was called uh how do you want it cooked how do you want it cooked i believe fresh off the presses let us know what you think maybe that tape's sitting somewhere in No, Dean had no interest. I mean, I don't know if you had any older siblings, but five years older. He was not too involved

in what his high school brother was doing back then. He was like... Bet there's like a grainy VHS tape of someone who taped one of their concerts, like a backyard type of situation sitting out there. Like you play Boston Garden or something.

There's got to be something out there. We've spent a lot of time on this. Well, it's the most important thing we've talked about today. All right, let's get into. to our over unders. Okay, so before the season started, we did a app with Barnwell,

which is a tradition where we each picked, I believe, four teams and based the over unders off draft kings before the season started. So let's go through each of ours. We'll start with the Zuzzer. Let's see how I did this year. And you can check this out on YouTube. I went two and two.

All right. So I hit the over on the Browns. Look at your Brown's optimism. I was always in. on the brown all throughout the summer i was in on the browns i thought and a lot of that is i liked nick chub and deshawn watson bouncing back obviously they had a big year without either of those two men for the most part but i hit the over there this one i had to sweat out a little bit the last couple of weeks but the titans i hit the under which was seven and five and i'm looking back and

remembering that that was the one i was the least confident about in fact i i really wished i would of taking the over. But as it worked out, where did they go? They got six and 11. Six and 11. You clear that by a game and a half. And the Browns went 11 and 6. So I hit that easily. I lost my last two. So I went two and two. The Buccaneers. I hit the under. I was not high on Baker and the bucks this year. They end up getting to nine wins and winning their division. And then the Jets, I'm, you know, that's not fair. I was nothing fair about the Jets. But Rogers gets hurt. So I hit, I hit the, I wanted to hit the over at nine and a half, but didn't come close.

The Jets finished seven and ten. So two and two. It's interesting to think the bucks under, they were predicted to come in last behind the Panthers. Panthers were seven and a half. They were at six and a half. Well, they showed kind of promise last year and then added a first round pick. All right.

Let's move to Greg, who's had a big year with all sorts of predictions this year. Oh, stop it. Greg. Greg won four and oh. Naturally. Cestog. Right.

I got to say something, Greg. First of all, before we get into this. I'm happy for Greg. I'm impressed. And you know, I've always been very complimentary of your great knowledge of the game and your passion for it.

But I've also been doing this with you for a decade. And I just want you to appreciate this. Okay. Because you've never been like this year whether it's the game picks or what we're back to get. You were on a heater this year. And I just hope.

do you appreciate the greatness of your season? That's why I was honking so much last night and teasing my potential retirement because I know it will not continue. It will be like the Patriots, Dark Days. What is your record? I will say of any of the predictions, game debut or the locks or whatever.

I think the over-unders still luck is maybe the most important factor. But I think it's the one, it's the least amount of luck. I think these are the ones I would care about the most. Because I think you went 16 and 2 or 70. and two in the locks. And you went four and oh.

So let's go through them. You took the Panthers under, which was a home run, seven and a half. And they end up, of course, two and 15, the worst team in football.

You always down on the Giants. So you bang me under at seven and a half. And the giants, they almost come and get you with a nice second half, but yes. But I think they were one and seven

at one point. They had a nice second half, all things considered. Those two were good. The other two were more lucky. So that's what I'm talking about. You bang that on a line and you hit it. well, the Bears, you had seven and a half on the home, man, you really are. You stubborn it this year, buddy.

They were seven and nine going into week 18 and everybody was optimistic about that Packers game, but they get beat. So they stay at seven wins. So you hit that at seven and a half. And the bill, you son of a gun. The bills down in the fourth quarter on Sunday night football sitting at staring at 10 and 7. At six and six. And they needed to win five streets to get that over 10 and a half. And you hit the 10 and a half over. behind a five-game winning streak to get to 11 and 6. Bravo, sir. Well done, Greg.

I mean, I, what can you say, Mark? I don't have anything else to say. I'm very, I said I'm excited for Greg. I mean, if I, honestly, and you guys know this, if I ever had the season Greg had, that would be it. I'm gone. I am going, I'm taking a radio show

somewhere in Long Island. Why does this make it? Why do I feel like I probably went 0 and 4 to balance this out? Well, I went 2 and 2. That's what I'm saying. I was mentally tracking throughout the year. I have to admit it, they did matter to me.

I was not, by the way, add all this. Greg's children advance the finals against each other in their fantasy football league. Am I missing anything, Greg, in this year? It's nothing if not impressed. Of opulence. Unbelievable.

Game day view. I'm furious. I finished off the regular season title there too. Part over a century. Very difficult. Greg, I am impressed and just filled with rage. I get to be this close to greatness, but not have it myself.

good for you sir so you say two and two for zeuser four and oh for greg you're saying that natural you would have to go oh and four i mean i'm just suggesting that's the narrative of this show so probably something in that in that ballpark he can't make up what you went no i mean no i mean my own creative narrative that i created all right suss what did you do oh no are you are you he went oh and four oh my god everyone check us out on youtube we've got fancy graphics

And most important, you can have Mark's facial reaction to this. And I've heard from some people last week. They didn't even know we were on YouTube at all. So go and take it out. All right. So Cestog. Right gets the pitching for the show too. I, um, look, I.

Let's go through it. Okay. Yeah. So you bang the under on the Ravens who, uh, obviously the A of, uh, best team in football, uh, finished 13 and four. Um, you saw them as going under, uh, 10 and a half. I thought they'd be like a playoff team maybe, but. And this one under 10 and a half.

And I remember this having this conversation because I took the Browns over. You took the Browns under nine and a half. And of course they win 11 and they're going to the playoffs. So maybe that was kind of protecting yourself a little bit. But you lost that. You had the Chiefs over. Ooh, this one's annoying. I mean, I don't hate that I did that back then.

The Chiefs, they've been almost always hit the over, Greg, right? 11.5. I mean, I don't believe they had hit it for the last like six straight years. Right. This was the different year. The Denmark picked him. Yes. Just like I took my homes, I think third in my fantasy draft before Christian McCaffrey.

This was the year everything changed. The Chiefs over 11 and a half. They have the worst 11-win season that I can remember for any team. So you get dinged on that. And then, I mean, the optimism around the Falcons was real. You had the over eight and a half and they finished, what, seven and ten, that's our for the third year in a row. I got pulled into Falcons land. I, you know, plus these other lands.

yeah how about that with arthur smith three straight seven and tens that's so we finish 500 as a group we can look at it that way i like that how about that mark you're only as good as your weakest link so greg unbelievable i'm uncomfortable with dan saying these things i'm uncomfortable i just i've never been around someone that's been this hot i think you missed one rainmaker all year i think that was four and one yeah i had that i lost track of but yeah something like that how can we monitor I'd say leave the NFL and move to Las Vegas. Well, we're not allowed to do any of this stuff. We're not allowed to...

I didn't say betting. How did we monetize Greg's ability? Before I came here, you know, I did some of that. And you would have, you know, you want to have some big years. You're not going to have a big year every year. You want to, like, survive in the years that aren't big years and then have some big years. And this would have been a big year. There you go.

Good advice for me to take. Let's check in. You did not survive. Let's check in. Let's check in on our running back draft, which was obviously a source of major consternation. Now, this is one place where Greg somehow comes out on top here. I'm walking out of here because Greg famously butchered the draft back in June. But now we could use hindsight to look back.

Let's see where we are now. I don't even evaluate this. Let's start. Let's do the same thing. Let's go, Dan first. Let's see what I got. All right. So I had Nick Chubb, Wolf, but, you know, what are you going to do?

Austin Echler. Well, hold on. Can we, can we view Nick Chubb as who he really is versus the season he had? Well, let's just look at it through the prism of the season for now. Because I, yeah, obviously Chub is an all-time around. 170 yards didn't score a touch. And then blew out his knee in hideous fashion on a Thursday night in October, I believe, was Austin Echler. I don't know what happened to Echler.

Oh, that's a miss. He, he totally fell off the map. Josh Jacobs, another guy, started very slowly. and then started to find himself had some big games and then got hurt at the end of the year. And then Breece Hall of the four, this is the one I was least comfortable with.

He ends up going over 1,500 yards of total offense for the Jets, a very bad offense. Good fourth pick if this is listed in order. Yeah, so obviously I hit on Hall and then Chubb, what are you going to do? But Echler and Jacobs I missed on. They just didn't have great years.

All right. So not that hot for Zuzzer. Okay, let's go to Greg Rose. All right. Bejohn Robinson, uh, who very frustrating here for Bejohn did have moments, including a long touchdown reception in week 18, but not the guy we all thought he was going to be. Alvin, 400 yards, not a miss touchdowns though. Did he have 1400 from scrimmage? Not a total, not a miss or anything.

Not a miss, I think, but not a big, we were expecting him to be, you know, a seismic land. A lot of these guys. Not his fault, though. Not his fault. I think he has huge years ahead of him. Alvin Kamara, um, suspended to start the year, had a stand. a year, but he's not the same guy anymore. He was okay.

He was fine. 1160 yards and six touchdowns. Again, from scrimmage, not rushing. Right. In fact, he is three straight years. I read this. He's been under four yards of carry for three straight years,

which you don't see a lot. So, Camara has fallen off a little bit. Jonathan Taylor, a guy who obviously started with a contract holdout and everything, the injury about that. He warmed up as the season went along. So Taylor and then Aaron Jones, who did nothing for the first two and a half months of the season,

but finished strong with three 100-yard games. Pretty good, pretty good group. That looks better than it did at other times during this season, though. Because of what Taylor became. I was very negative afterwards, and people came at me. And in the end, they were fine. It was solid. Mark, coming off the 0-and-4.

Right. Let's win this running back draft. I think you can. I know one of them is. All right. Let's see. Let's check out Mark's four. And he had the first pick, I remember.

And he had Christian McCaffrey. So that's a big win. And Sequin Barclay. So McCaffrey had maybe his best year, which is saying something incredible and might be the offensive player of the year as a result. Sequin Barclay slowed down, banged up down the stretch. But I really thought Barclay had a good season overall. Bad team. You know, bad team.

1,200 yards from scrimmage, 10 touchdown. So like a better Camara, but it just looked better if you just watched it. Like the numbers are similar, but he was better. Derek Henry, like Alvin Kamarro's, it's pretty clear that he's not the same dude, but you saw even in week 18 that he still has juice in the tank and then he'll get a job next year. And I think he's a Hall of Famer. So a nice guy to have there. And then Ramadre Stevenson, who quietly, because I had him on my fantasy team. I remember tracking him. He was like all the bad stuff going around the Patriots. He was the one guy that was steadily just going

about his business. And I thought he was having a pretty good year until a high ankle sprain ended his year. Mark, you won. the around the NFL running back strapped. I'm giving it to you, Mark. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Give it up. Thank you.

This is your life. I wish I could feel as much in the victory that I know Greg feels in winning the things. You've got to take a shot. No, I'm not taking a shot at all. I really not. It's just like it's, I don't know where it's supposed to carry me. Emotionally. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Finally, before we say goodbye, let's go through the go get my lunch props. You ready? Cestog. None of us really had a very good year with this one. So Cestog, here were your predictions. A kicker breaks the record for longest field goal. That's more than 66 yards during a Titans Ravens game in London. Nope, lost two sandwiches there. Rams trade, Matthew Stafford. You were very hot. I was. You were very down on the Rams.

Yep. Very hot on Stafford being moved. He obviously didn't move and then had a huge year. You lost three sandwiches there, including to Leticia. Dack Prescott has benched for performance reasons. I mean, yeah, these are huge things. Whoa, that's a big story. You have to remember, like, when I create these, like the Stafford won not so much, but like, I'm doing this for the show.

Like I, like, showman. I mean, this. But you're believing that Dak Prescott's going to be bad. I think there is a world where it was great. I think things could have gone real south for the Cowboys maybe. And DAC gets caught in like the crosshairs of it all. And that did not happen.

And it was probably around the time of the Trey Lance trade zone. so in your mind, you're like, oh, then they'll play Trey Lance or something. Yeah. Weird stuff happens. And then finally, a Star QB loses at least one star, see, now this is the Cestog ones. The other ones are just predictions gone awry. A Star QB loses at least one start due

to an off-field incident involving a problematic individual dressed in a costume. Anything? It looks like, according to Nick Fortier, who runs Go Get My Lunch.org and does an incredible job at it. Thank you, Nick. That cost you three sandwiches as well. Is it? So that ends with, that ended with

yesterday's um bill's dolphins game we'll give you the playoffs about that last axe over here and it has to be a can it be a player who's not you know not currently anything you want like the loosest calibration of this we'll give it to you great rosenthal uh justin herbert finishes higher in MVP voting than patrick mahomes we don't know yet but i will lose two two on that because they're neither will get zero yeah so that's a loss the lions win the nfc north you got that very good that's w you guys took me up on that Took you up on it. Mac Jones finished.

This is the one I teased on the Sunday show. Mack Jones finishes ahead of Daniel Jones in the QB index, which Dan and Mark took you up on. And apparently when Shook puts together, the final version will have every quarterback. And I do not imagine, even though Daniel Jones didn't do squat this year, that Jones would be ahead of him.

So that might be at the very bottom. I'm going to lose that, which is, you know, right, church, wrong pew. Daniel Jones, out of 68 starters, will probably not be in the top 40, but he will be ahead of Mac Jones. There's no way.

Let's see how far apart the are, because it shouldn't be too, too far. All right. So, like you were down on the Rams, I just had this, like, weird feeling about the lions flopping, which was obviously wrong. Because I have the Lions never claimed sole possession of first place in the NFC North. And they win on Thursday night against the Chiefs. Historically bad. Darius drops all those balls and they get beat by one point.

So they won the North, so let alone one day they were there every day, pretty much. Or was it every day? Did they ever fall out of first place? in that division? No. I don't think they did. No. Wire to wire. Big old FU to Daddy Rich. Devante Adams or Mike Evans will be traded prior

to the 2023 trade deadline. I like that one, but it just because I was thinking. You were the bucks crashing. Raiders bad. Bucks bad. Devante. Yeah. So. Vante was like talking a lot back then. Things seem I think one or both of those guys are on a new team

next year, but that was not the wager. So it cost me too. Jay Watt plays in 2023. Who I took you up on that. Only Greg, though, took me up on the mark. You stayed away. I love when the stayaways happened.

Because I think that made like some interesting sense. I don't know. But by the way, there's still a few weeks left. Then T.J. Watt just got hurt. Maybe the Steelers pick up the phone.

JJ did break that news that he's out for these two games. That'd be such a Steelers thing to do. What if JJ filled in for Nick for two weeks until he came back? Or T.J. I mean, it's such a Steelers thing to do. How about naming your kids

J.J. and T.J. Like, how about that? Well, or you name them what they're, what they stand for and then they decided they weren't into those names and, you know, condensed. All right. So I wasn't in on the Falcons, but I did believe in Beijon. Enough to say

Nick Chub or Bejohn Robinson lead the NFL in rushing. Chub, we discussed, blew out his knee. Bejohn was trapped. I didn't take you up on that, which was stupid. I was, I was all in on Bejohn. This one is right. Nick has this listed as a loss. But

I don't know why Tom Brady is commenting commentating games for Fox by 2024 there's a report just came out that he's working on it and it's by 2024 right this season he needs to do it this upcoming season 24 I no longer would have taken that I'm hoping we are right mark but it starts the signs are looking poor and then this is this is kind of a cess dog one which I like um the Birds, remember the birds falling out of the sky in Mexico? Yeah, well, sure. It happened during Super Bowl week. I said that will be the first of several unexplained phenomenon over the next two years. So I have until next February on that one. So that one, I guess, is just sitting out there still. Did that get created like at some other time?

That was created, I think, Super Bowl week, because it happened like a couple days before the game. And my cousin, Mike, I brought to the Super Bowl, who's a big UFO and conspiracy guy. And I remember going down a wormhole with him in the hotel room in Arizona. And I was pretty hot to trot about more stuff happening. But, you know, maybe it does. Maybe it has. Any other conspiracy tinfoil people out there? Let me know if I've missed anything in the past.

Well, I'm sure people can come up with several unexplained phenomenon if they just want to. And Mark, you did not true to form take me up on that. But Greg, of course, did. He's like, oh, there is no such thing as unexplained phenomenon. Something like that. I don't like the two-year part of it. I think that's why I didn't get attached to that. Eric Roberts.

Now, the producers have a famously messy reputation when it comes. They never win a sandwich prop. However, the bills out sack and out intercept the Jets. I like this one. And where do we come down on it? Oh, you got it. No. The Bills, 18 interceptions, Jets 17 10 this season.

Stop it. So it was the I&T on the rest? The rap one not only locked up the A&T East Division, but that intercepted. Eric Roberts, you son of a bitch. We were going back and forth, actually, about the Jets' defense kind of balling out in that game against the Patriots.

And the Bills out-sacked the Jets 54 to 48. So ding-D-D. Wait, what? Because it says you lost it here. I think Nick was mistaken. I don't know. He has some data points there that don't appear to be accurate. Yep.

So they were close in both, but you hit it. I think the bills went into week eight. like plus 13 in sacks but the what the Jets ended up at five that week yeah and then yeah there was a two interception swing in the Jets game so they actually went into the final game of season down one but then that wrap one yeah so big win for me guys let's give a some applause to Eric everything's coming up Roberts everything's coming up and I have a kid three sandwiches he gets and that is honestly that is a a big deal because the producers never win yeah but the producers is where you're each different individual people.

So it's not going to predict how Eric would do. Just saying historically, they... No, it's true. This was coming out of Hard Knock season, so we spent a lot of time watching the Jets, me and you getting pumped up in defense. So I thought something, okay, good, you know, something to track throughout the year

and actually came down to the wire. And they were two good defenses and the bills statistically in those categories. When Rapp made that interception, Eric, were you aware that that was winning you, San Luis. Yes. Wow. I wish we knew that that is...

What a moment. Because me and Dan, we're talking about it. Good job. Yeah, and then I knew there was a swing because of the two in the morning game, and then that was good. There was the one and two. I'm a little surprised that the bills

out sacked the Jets. Jets had a lot of guys that were like around 6, 7, 8 sacks. I didn't realize Buffalo's pass rush with Novan Miller was that fierce, but good for you. Were they top five? Let's see here. The sacks were that would be 1, 2, 3, 4, 54

behind Dolphins with 56, Chiefs with 57, and Rams was 60. And then the Jets somewhere somewhere downwards the middle interesting okay and one more uh this one's not official but we got a major hit from lekeesha speaking of lekeesha we did a uh NFL plus that's coming up a little bit later this month uh where we're going through all the super bowls in recent years and we talked about the incredibly uh difficult super bowl around chris's passing uh but we we talk about Chris and the that Bucks

Chief Super Bowl and then a great video that Lakeisha made a letter she wrote to Chris. You got to check out NFL Plus when that drops and also on Dazone if that's how you get it overseas and out in international territories. But Lakeisha had a wager when she was

on the show. Listen to this one. Lamar Jackson finishes top three in MVP voting. And guess what? All three of us took her up on it. A little surprising got you. I think just in the spirit of taking the person that's here. He's going to win the damn thing.

Forget about top three. He might win it unanimously. And Lakeisha's mom, one of the bigger Lamar Jackson fans around. And I think Lamar Jackson kind of brought Lakeisha's mom into football. That's absolutely right. She loves Lamar. Oh, we got a Claibon one too. Jalen Rager has over 40 catches in 2020.

When was this? I don't know. I do recall. That was like, let's see where did he come down on? If I had known that. I would have enjoyed the bizarre Jets Patriots game on Sunday where Jalen Rager was suddenly the Patriots number one receiver. I think Claibon regretted that after.

He did not come close to 40. He had seven. Okay. Seven catches for Jalen Rager. Getting behind the Pat's offense is always a tricky proposition. All right. So there you go. There are sandwich props.

Maybe we'll do a couple of Super Bowl week. We tend to do that. We make one Super Bowl prediction. And that's it. So here's the rest of the week. On Wednesday, we're going to have Connie Fox back with us. How about that? And we're going to give out our awards for the 2020 season.

And then start looking ahead to super wild card weekend on Thursday when we preview all the games on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. Anything else, boys? I think we covered it. It's a big week. Good job. Good job. Everybody. Thank you to everybody for listening.

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