NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - New Rules, Shedeur and Skattebo

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon to get you caught up on news from around the NFL including rule change proposals (02:00), the latest on Aaron Rodgers (06:50), and the Texans giving Danielle Hunter a contract extension (12:40), and more! After the break, Adam from the Saints Block Party Podcast joins the show live from Big 12 Pro Day to talk about Shedeur Sanders (20:23), Cam Skattebo (30:25), and drama between the Saints and Derek Carr (41:30). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we just keep crossing the names off the best available free agents list, except for that one guy. Here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio with my friend, Patrick Claibon, who has timed the finish of his sandwich that he inhaled in the last minute and a half perfectly for the top of the show. I wouldn't say that. It was poorly planned, much like that one quarterback who I don't think counts. I don't think we need to cross the knife off.

The list was great without him and was great without him. Wow. You love my top 101 free agents list that you're saying Aaron Rodgers sullies it. He wasn't on initially. But he is on there now as number 25, which would be the third best available. Yeah, like, of course we have to adjust for franchise tags and all of those other things. And that doesn't harm the integrity of the list. The list is the list.

But, like, all of this chicanery is so unnecessary that I feel like it's, it sullies the list. And it changes a number that doesn't deserve to be changed. Wow. Yeah, we only have five guys left out of the top 50. One of them is visiting my New England Patriots. more on that one just got signed more on that in a second but let's start the news this is a news show ultimately okay i come from a news background i would say i've done news updates rhoda world in years i just loved grinding that news uh pro football talk how many blurb here around around the league

was the original name of our news blog at the nfl than around the nfl um how many blurbs yeah how many blurbs do you think you amassed during your time between rote World and pro football talk. Just at Rona World. I mean, I don't know. It would have to be over 10,000, 50,000. You'd have to do the math in how many. I mean, according to a famous grifter, that makes you an expert at it. Yeah, I think at this point, I was an expert by the end. That's why I had to get out. There's nothing left to learn. The NFL is still trying to learn. They're still trying to change. They're still trying to improve the rules in which they play the sport. They're always changing. and some of the rules proposals officially made by teams that will be talked about at the league meeting

coming up at the end of this month that got some people's attention when it came out. The Lions proposed that seedings would just be based on record so you would not automatically be a top four seed for the playoffs. The Lions also suggested killing the idea of a holding penalty on defense being an automatic first down. Those are spicy. Those were new. I'm curious if you like them. I like one of them.

Okay, which one? I like the true playoff seeding. It makes the most sense is the seeds actually determining based on the record. And I think you would lose, right? You would lose some matchups.

It's tough to go back. I already don't want to go back to the 16 playoff editions and try to retroactively because it makes it, all the math gets fundamentally changed. All I care about because it's not college

football. It's not vibes based. The teams start the season and they know what they need to do ultimately to accomplish things. So if we want to go back and retroactively say, well, this would have changed that. No, it wouldn't because each season is its own thing. But I think it incentivizes some of those late season matchups. Yeah. Where folks, like, who cares? Like, if it's cross-conference game and teams are solid in their division, who cares? But prioritizing the record just makes things better for everything. So I'm fine with that. the holding thing, I, I think it places, like say it's a third and 14. Yeah.

It incentivizes grabbing somebody because then you got a third and nine. And it's like, hey, make them call it. Maybe they call it. I think it leads to more penalties. I don't want to see more penalties. I just want to see the penalties be right. Yeah. The more they call, the more they're going to be wrong.

Usually when the teams propose these, they're long shot. So we don't need to go too crazy diving deep unless they happen. It is funny that the lions, you know, commit as many holding penalties. Terry on Arnold. it's called the Terry on Arnold penalty if it happens see you made a good argument because that holding call

also just bothers you though on a on a third and 25 and it's a ticky tack little holding suddenly they have I don't know what the right solution is getting it right is the right solution yeah but that's it's it's that's an impossible that will never be fixed in terms of like getting that exactly right

that one I don't think is going to happen I like the seedings yeah I like changing it. People say that's taking away the sanctity of the divisions. No, if you win your lousy division, you still get to go to the playoffs. So it keeps those big time division races that we've seen where the division's not that good and it's 8-9 versus 9-8. It's still huge to go make the playoffs. That's what every team is trying to do. But it does reward like last year, it would have helped out the Lions division rivals, the Minnesota Vikings. And they would have had a higher seat. And I'm fine with that. Because of the other

effects of yes, like a team that's winning a poorer division might have to play in week 18 to try to keep their spot. And I like that anything that encourages playing all the way through the end of the season, I think is a good thing. And you get to and you still, if you win your division, you get the tiebreaker if you finish with the same

record, which happens all of the time. And so like there's still incentive to win your division. You just don't like you can't you don't have these good teams. They really get shafted and they have to go on the road and play a game that a lot of times they lose. I've done no reporting on this. I feel like as a shot. You got to get 24 teams

to agree to that. Another one that we hadn't talked about on the show previously, because they're trying to ban the tush push. That's not going to happen. They're not going to make that illegal. They're trying to make the overtime rules like the regular season where it's 15 minutes and that

each team gets the ball. I'm fine with that. Give it a shot for a year. There's so few overtime games. Extra five minutes, that's fine. Each team get in the ball. It's fine. If you don't want to have to play so long, don't go to overtime. Just go for two. I like it because they simplified the field gold chicanery.

It's just, hey, 15 minutes, a couple possessions. That's it. It's universal. I have a basketball bias. I would like to see just a period of time and then, hey, play this period of time. And if a team wants to try to run clock and then score, like, okay, you got to stop them. That would be my perfect solution. Yeah.

I also remember that moment in the Super Bowl between the Chiefs and the 49ers where all of America, including myself for a second, especially because I was at the stadium and not listening. It was like, wait, do the Chiefs have to score here before the end of the night? No, they know, right? They know, right? But I'm just like, it was breaking my brain at the time.

And they did score just in time if it mattered, and it didn't. All right, let's talk Rogers just quickly. So I mentioned this on 40s and free agents. It's been a lot of fun prepping for the draft with Daniel Jeremiah. We're doing it every week. And we did mention the Aaron Rogers, but we didn't focus on it too much. And this is going to be a draft show. I should have mentioned.

We're talking to our friend Adam from the Saints Block Party podcast, who's at the Big Ten Pro Day, much like Jeremiah. And we're going to talk to him in a little bit about some prospects there. But the Rogers news that he's not going to Minnesota. Tom Pelliserra said the Steelers and the Giants are still very much interested in him. The Vikings aren't totally closing the door. They're basically saying, like, yeah, if he's still out there much later in the off season, and it made more sense to us then, like, you know,

never know. I have a feeling and Jordan Rodriguez had this theory that it was almost like Kevin O'Connell trying to be nice, you know, and being nice publicly, this is how they're speaking to Aaron Rogers publicly, they're like, bro, if you really don't want to play for those two teams, like who knows what could happen in

August, but we're not really rolling with you. So you've got to pick the Steelers or the Giants. Meanwhile, the Vikings reportedly rejected some calls that came to them on J.J. McCarthy. I'm far more interested in who the were they called for JJ McCarthy because it wouldn't make sense for the for the

Vikings to be in the game of getting rid of the quarterback that they drafted in the first round that they never got to see play you know what the the rumor that it's this is not a thing this is not a thing that even people are talking about but I think it was just like a fan created thing people have been trying to to ship Herbert to the Vikings for McCarthy for like a year there's no reason to believe that the Chargers would actually want to do that. But somehow, I think that's, like, Schaefter addressed it at one point last year.

He didn't say that, I think he was just saying, this was wishful thing, that, like, somehow Jim Harbaugh loves JJ so much that, you know, and they don't really throw the ball much with the chargers and that the Vikings would pick up Justin Herbert in exchange. And it's like... Have those people heard Harbaal discuss Justin Herbert?

Right. Or looked at the contract that Herbert has. It'd be very difficult to trade him because of the cap ramifications. You'd have to do it after June 1st. Yeah, I don't know who those teams that would call. Maybe the Browns were just like, hey, man, that would make sense to me. If I was the Browns, I would be like, hey, you want to just pay Donald

and we'll give you some good draft picks for JJ McCarthy? And they're like, no, that would make sense as a call. Yeah, or the two teams that are in this Infernal Rogers waiting game where it's, and I'm wondering the, why tell Tom Pelliserro that they're not interested in Aaron Rogers at this time? like that that added addendum like has this ominous tone to it where it's like oh so they're out of the game for now so like were you were you in the game where i think it's saying they're out of the game and they're doing it respectfully enough where they're trying not to make it sound like

they're just shutting the door on this guy and there is i don't know because because kevin o'connell the first thing ben jonson does when he gets to chicago is take shots across the division but the ideas the Vikings like have to be super nice to Aaron Rogers for who? I think Kevin O'Connell sees himself as the patron saint of quarterbacks and he just loves quarterbacks and wants to build them up. I don't know what they're laughing at in the back, Eric. What's going on? Now that we got a good reaction shot of Patrick on the on the monitor. See, this is good advertisement to check out the NFL Daily YouTube. Subscribers. Oh yeah, they're going up lately.

So appreciate you all checking it out. There was also a mention from Pelliserro who's really been leading the Vikings reporting out there. Minnesota, that's his home, saying that the Steelers would be comfortable starting Mason Rudolph, basically, if they had to. I can't think of a better endorsement for these people who are Rogers averse in Pittsburgh

than hearing somebody say, oh, they're okay with Mason Rudolph. I think that will change some chemistry in people's brains, well, maybe this whole thing isn't that bad. Well, if they went into the draft without another quarterback on the roster, it just means

they're taking a quarterback. Now, whether that's in the first round or the second round, you just, you're at a point where you just have to. I feel like they probably have to, regardless. The Vikings, by the way, also signed Rondale Moore. And I mentioned that. He's a Cardinals receiver who missed all of last season.

I mentioned that just specifically because I noticed last night that Rondale Moore's signing with the Vikings was either third or fourth, I believe, on the ESPN.com stack. I mentioned them, not as a rival, but they include all sports. There's an NTA tournament going on.

There's the end of the NBA season. And Rondale Moore was third in what we call in the news business in their stack. If that's not a sign that people are hungry for NFL news any time a year, I don't know what is. That is a sign of the machine

that is Purdue football. is what it is. But honestly, he was top five in the league in yards after a catch, right? The average depth of target, because I was, I was a Rondale guy. Okay. Was about a yard shorter than Debo, but some of that we can attribute to the Cardinals and kind of their flailings where we missed a chance for an unleashed Rondale with the injury last year with the Falcons.

I like this. I like this a lot. As you're saying it, it got me thinking he's a better version. the Richman's version of Brandon Powell, who's actually had a nice career and the Vikings turned into a very good role player over the last few years. Rondo, I think, is more talented

so you could see him elevating and being a nice little third receiver for them. DeNeil Hunter got a contract extension adding $35 million to his contract. He only had one year left, so what this did was bought them a little time. Gave him a ton of money for this year. Didn't want to give him a huge long-term deal,

but he's also getting paid $55 million over the next two years, so he's happy about it. You just got a big raise. And it also clarifies to us that DeNeil Hunter, definitely a swarm guy, special work ethic and relentless mindset. Now, the problem with Swarm,

as our friend Seth Payne has pointed out, and I am one of the Seth heads out there, like our friend Jordan, special work ethic and relentless mindset, just being Swarm, ignores ethic. It just ignores it. It just takes it out. So, well, yeah.

It's not ideal. It's like, are we turning, are we creating an A? No, they're just taking, special worth that, in this case, they're counting and, and, and, and, and, and relentless mindset. Okay. But he's definitely a swarm guy. Are we counting the and in our? If you're going to make that, the guiding force to your whole organization, I'm going to need to work on, you know, you're going to need to work on the spelling or just clarify it. If I ever get a chance to interview D'Amico Ryan's, I am going to ask about that.

I think you would find it funny, or you would think I was a little jerk. The Texan signed Cam Robinson to a one-year, $12 million contract as well, so that probably is their left tackle next year, Titus Howard, then is either a swing tackle or you move him to guard, but it's just really asking a lot out of their offensive line and their new offensive coach to improve this offensive line. It doesn't look great on paper. Tevin Jenkins is leaving a troubled offensive.

offensive line in Chicago. He signed with the Cleveland Browns. That was how I started the show that you're just picking off the guys in the top 100. Cam Robinson and Tevin Jenkins were the top two offensive linemen left. You actually have to go down to number 83, Brandon Scherf. Now, it is now hard to find an offensive lineman. So the Browns signed Tevin Jenkins might as well. And in other Browns news, Mary Kay Cabot said there was mutual interest between the Browns and Carson Wentz. Somebody out there for everybody. it would be an amazing an amazing turnaround

after they didn't draft him back in in 2016 it's I mean how different how different would the world be if Carson Wentz was drafted by the Cleveland Browns yeah what do the Eagles have taken

no because they traded up for for one specifically they wouldn't have taken Garrett but that would that you know who knows where Miles Garrett would have landed it kind of reminds me at one of those relationships that's like it didn't work out maybe in high school or college but then you see each other

10 years later and maybe you're not in as good a position as you were and it's like oh let's settle. A rousing endorsement for the Carson Went's era

in Cleveland. Tevin Jenkins, good pickup. I thought it was interesting Uchena Nuoso took a big pay cut. It's been pay cut season. There's actually been a lot of these reports out there. We're not going to hit every single one

but the Saints got a number of their players to actually take a true pay cut in terms of staying team. some hill by the way still on that roster definitely not going to be under that contract that he's on uh but still on that roster i bet he'll take a pay cut or do something at some point uh but nuosu took like a six seven million dollar pay cut to stay with the seahawks a little surprising and then he also had to give up his number to cooper cup tough week yeah i guess he got a donation from cup you know to his

charitable foundation i hope so i'll you know while i'm taking an actual pay cut you know you know maybe maybe not just a donation maybe a little something that one's tricky because if i had to pick who's going to be better on the seahawks in 2025 i would go newosu he has more juice left and it's not like cup well cup cup cup is a great player i guess i was trying to make a line of like is he like a locked in hall of favor that's not the line you would call but and in terms of the jersey like are the seahawks fans who cheered against cooper cup for all these years are they really running out there to buy a Cooper Cup? I think because of the Washington ties

and he was wearing the Pearl Jam T-shirt to the press conference, I think there's going to be some cup jerseys. Yes, because of the Washington ties. He's the local guy. Stefan Diggs, who I alluded to at the top, is meeting with the Patriots. We'll talk more about that if that deal happens.

He's coming back from a torn ACL, but that's a worthwhile shot for a team that has too much cap space. Jihad Campbell, who DJ projected going top 10 in his latest mock draft to the Saints underwent shoulder surgery

unfortunately and that's it could jeopardize his status for the start of the season. That is one that could affect his draft stock pretty much universally believed to be the best off ball linebacker in this draft. You're an Alabama guy. Do you have any Campbell take?

Well I honestly think because of the offball and this is something DJ has said a whole bunch that that I have completely bought into is the benefit of drafting the talented off-ball linebacker guy doesn't necessarily happen early. There's just so much to learn and grow at that particular position that you generally end up waiting for things to pay off to where, like, I don't know if missing the first three weeks of the rookie season, if you're planning on taking a guy and having potentially five years of

control, that it's worth, oh, yeah, we got to, we got to find a different player. You want the player if you want the prospect. That's a great point. And DJ's really pumping up Campbell as a potential edge guy that he thinks he might have it. as much edge juice or logic to it as Jalen Walker did. There just wasn't enough spots there because of all the great edges that have been there. And so if you're telling me he's a little Zach Bond like where you're moving them back and forth, everyone wants a Zach Bond now.

Zach Bonn is the new Debo. Remember there was like a year everyone wanted a new Debo? There's no other Deboes. People, I really think people kind of want a Zach Bond. We're probably going to be waiting for a while to get that new Debo. And I'm sure we're going to be waiting. for a while to get that Zach Bonn. I like Jihad Campbell,

honestly rushing the pastor more than like trying to change directions and sort through traffic and stuff like that. And yeah, if you got a guy that can go get the quarterback that you want him doing that thing. All right. And before we take a break and we're going to let Adam West join us on the show, excited to talk a little prospects with him,

some draft stuff, a little bit of saint stuff. He had a pretty spicy saints report. I have to ask him about just a couple of nuggets before we go to break. Michael Gallup is back in the NFL. Congratulations to him. If you remember, former Cowboys receiver

had a lot of injuries, a former around the NFL guest at training camp with the Cowboys. He decided after retiring for a year to come back to the NFL, so he's with a familiar face, and Dan Quinn, he's joining the commanders.

The Rams brought back, cornerback Akella Witherspoon, who's done nice work for them last couple of years. Devin Duverne, the special teamer, is joining the Bears, probably a return guy there.

And then the Dolphins signed Willie Gay, former saint, and the Falcons signed Jordan Fuller, who's bounced around a little bit, but solid. Safety used to be with the Rams and the Panthers. We will take a quick break here. And yes, on the other side, some fun topics.

Shudor Sanders. He was in the Big 12. A little, some Derek Carr heat. This report, we're taking a national. I don't know if people are ready for this one. Very hot. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL Daily. Still here in the studio with my friend Patrick, but welcoming in one of our favorite guests, it's Adam West of the same. Saints Block Party podcast. He's not just a Saints guy.

He's a draft guy. Boots on the ground are Big 12 Pro Day correspondent. And yes, if you happen to listen to 40s and Free Agents with Daniel Jeremiah, we have our fourth guest for the second straight day, the PA guy at the Big 12 Pro Day.

So welcome to him as well. Thanks, Adam. No, thank you for having me on. We tried to time it, but we are recording the same time that the D.Bs are now running their 40s. So we're back and so he's back. But it's good to be on the show again. And both you guys have been on our podcast talking insane.

So let's let's talk to Big 12. Let's talk, Graf. Let's get into it. Yeah, we will. And you have some spicy Saints news, which we'll get to at the end. Shout out to Adam, by the way. Unlike DJ, like he's a podcast professional. And he has noise canceling.

headphone. So I think it's actually going to do a better job than the DJ did because he was afraid of the brainwaves entering his mind. Well, yeah. Do not do not care. Yeah, there's, there's an ultimate level, right, of excellence. And Adam's got, he's got it blocked out, but he's keeping, he's keeping what needs to be kept in as well. And so it gives us, right, gives us the full, the full experience. So one player that didn't work out there, Adam was Sheter Sanders. He was expected to. He's going to, he's going to work out later at a pro date. But, you know, if we're talking big 12 to me he's a fascinating conversation in general there's so many things about him that are almost conflicting like you would expect him to have better traits than he really has

but he obviously has an outsized level of fame because of who his father is because of the two college teams that he has helped to turn around as their quarterback because of the copious amounts It's a tape that's out there. So much. Because of the skill set that ultimately, I think most teams do want, which is a true pocket quarterback, but does he have enough juice, do you think, to go in the top three of this class,

top 10 in this class? Like, have we seen a quarterback like him? Between me and you, we've been calling him Andy Dalton with swag lately. Like, does Andy Dalton with swag? He sold the money. Yeah. Do we, it's Andy Dalton with swag worth.

making as your franchise quarterback. I guess my response to this, and we talked about this on our podcast, is he drastically different than Tua as a prospect? Like, Tua was a little more twitching, right? But if you just, because the things that Tua was described as is like Tua described as someone that had to win from the neck or from the shoulder. Right. And I feel like Chador is almost a very similar prospect.

And Tua went, what, fifth, six? Like, he went top 10. Went ahead of Justin Herbert. He sure did. So, but then you look at it, Tua was surrounded by copious amounts of weapons at Alabama, a great offensive line. So I wonder if the conversation on a Shadur, if he was at a team or at a program like Alabama, if the conversation looked differently.

But conversely, historically, you know, I think he compares to players like Petty Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Gino Smith. And I think it's just a bigger conversation of, has an NFL swung the spectrum too far in terms of trying to find the off-strip play, the quarterback that make an offshore place, the attributes, the Anthony Richardson's, and that's not I think of Anthony Richardson.

But just that I feel like there's been a devaluation of true pocket. Passage. But if you just look at it historically, recently, he just doesn't possess what teams typically draft top 10, but we did like Bryce Young. Like, is he drastically different than Bryce Young? I made this comparison. Bryce Young to an insuredore. One thing that whatever, like in college, the one thing that everyone says about all three of them in college is that they all have what it.

And all pocket pastors and they all won from the children's. So it's just a, it's going to be such a litmus test of where the lead sees. But it's a risk. I do think it is, it is a risk. But I think his floor is very high. So in terms of evaluating that surrounding group, because I know we kind of take Travis out, like we know what Travis brought in and how excellent he is. So in the evaluation, right, of La Jante Western, of Horn Jr., right, of Will Shepard. are we able to contextualize that receiving group?

Because I know like with C.J. Stroud, it's like, oh, he's throwing to these guys, right? Or with Mac Jones, it's like, oh, he's throwing to three wide receivers that could be in the top 20, right? Right. What are we seeing about the rest of that Colorado receiving group? And what does it say about Shador? I think it says that he the same, like kind of similar, like the same player you saw at Jackson State. he carried that over to a division one program and that's more of a testament to him

it's so fascinating to me because and I want to say this very carefully because I don't want it to feel like a knock on him his father is one of the greatest football athletes of all time and it feels like maybe like he didn't get the athletic jeans from his dad and so he's had and he's kind of like

if you listen to him talk to like he's kind of talked about he's had to build himself if he's going to win and be a successful quarterback he has to do it and be a pure pocket pastor he knows that and so DJ a danger my has talked about he has kind of had to overcompensate for maybe not having those physical gifts and you when you watch his tape and there's so much of it you absolutely see it like his processing when you watch his tape it's very obvious that he can dissect a defense and so how like you would think that is just like very valuable that NFL teams that need a quarterback would want. But there just seems to be a disconnect. And plus, like, can we keep it real? He's a young black quarterback who is sure of who he is.

And he's having these meetings with GMs and these white owners. And we saw it a little bit with Caleb Williams last year. Did we not? So there's also that being mixed into the equation as well. Well, yeah. And he's made a lot of money. And he's been a big star for a while. He hasn't made a lot of money for a while.

but he comes from a lot of money his whole life and he's made a lot of money like the last couple of years and so I think he's going in maybe with a bit of confidence and I still believe that maybe there's some teams that he doesn't want to he doesn't want to go to and also we don't have any quotes from any of this right like nobody has said

if something that he has done has been so egregious that it warrants reporting nobody has said whatever he said or how he said it's all just been vibes and intimation that like I don't care we don't have Patrick we don't how the game is. We keep it real.

We keep it a buck. But like at the very least, if Shador Sanders has said something that warrants you saying that, oh, teams didn't like this, did you ask them what he said? Yeah. Like,

why did, why do you not ask them what he said? I like that it took Patrick to get Adam to bring out his Saints block party voice instead of like this NFL daily voice he's putting on. Let me call out. I love. Vote switching. Love that.

Okay. So, yeah, That's what the word I was looking for. Shnerner Sanders, though, here's the thing. You're right about the processing. You're right about that he's so sharp. He can make some great throws over the middle of the field. He doesn't have an amazing arm, but it's good enough.

He's not an incredible athlete, but it's good enough. I think the idea about quarterback in 2025 to answer kind of what you were saying, Adam, is like, have we gone too far just looking for traits, guys? I don't think so. I just think you have to have a base line of athleticism to even, to even play the position, but that's, everyone's got it. I haven't seen a prospect lately. Maybe it's Chuck, actually, that, like, doesn't have the baseline of athletic.

They've all got it. Like, they've, everyone now is at least mid-tier. None of them are Jared Goff coming out of Cal. And Jared Goff's made it work. Jared Goff has made a lot of money, so it shows. But, like, those guys just don't even exist in college football. And the thing about Sanders that it's really hard to unpack and we'll move on from him. is just despite all that processing

and despite the bad surroundings in terms of the offensive line and most of the receivers, he still just like holds on to the ball forever, maybe trying to make that play. And that is sometimes not a trade that you get out of. And I think teams would want him to get out of it because, yeah, the line was bad, but man, he just,

that's tough. You don't want your guy holding on to the ball that long unless you are a special athlete. not. So that combination is something I think they would have to improve on at the pro level or else he's your guy or else he might be a little bit like your guy, Derek Carr. You know, who is a good athlete, actually. I would say Derek Carr coming out is a good athlete. Like, yeah, I would say before he like the injuries. Yeah. Yeah. I just mean there's some some similarities there where he was always trying to hold on to the ball, but different maybe in terms

of processing all that. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about. Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. about other players. I want to talk Cam Scadaboo. Somehow, one of the most famous players in college football has not been mentioned on NFL daily a lot. There's opinions all over the place of where maybe he fits in as an NFL draft prospect. All along, people are like, oh, well, he's not really going to be respected by the NFL. And he's probably more of like a mid to late round type of guy. And as we get closer, I don't know, man. I think he's going to have fans. And I don't, I don't see the reason why he can't be an NFL contributor. What do you think about our guy Scataboo?

Until he works out and like the athletic test scene comes back, there's just going to be those questions. During the combine, DJ compared him to Megan Barber. Oh, I like that. Throwback Cowboys running back just invites contact. And when you watch them at Arizona State, like that's very much as plain style, very much is plain style. And the easy thing to do would just be to just be to just.

throw out any like white running back like there is to comp him too like that's the way as he comes thing to do yeah like oh he's Toby Gerhardt and that's like that's not that's not fair to him um but he one thing that I feel is a very underrated part about his game is he's very good in the receiving you but I think those questions are still going to linger about him until he actually works out at Arizona's pro day he didn't work out the combine he had a nagging entry he didn't he wasn't here well originally he was on a roster here at the Big 12 Pro Day but he ended up not being here. So until I think you just know

how it is in terms of football and scouts until people see like what he actually is as a quote-unquote athlete. There's going to be those lingering questions in terms of where he potentially what he projects to at the next level. Yeah, it is very lazy right to comp like a 215 I believe pound

Camp Scato to like these 240 pound backs. I've heard like some full back comps and it's just maybe it was the cut of his jersey that they're leading people to think that he's this big, like physically imposing back when, you know, he's not six feet, right around 2.15, you know, runs hard. It has good speed. It's just a good running back.

I mean, his yards per after contact numbers are crazy. His mistackles force numbers are crazy. And I love that our guy, Maurice, is not worried about being like the rest of the draft neck's out there. He ranks Gentie number one. He ranks Trayvion Henderson from Ohio State number two. And he has Scadabot as his number three back ahead of guys like Quinn John Judkins, ahead of the Omari on Hampton. And he thinks he can step in and be a day one starter. Now, we've seen guys like him, actually, even that are day one starters that are just kind of like like a Rico, like maybe he's like a 2024 Rico type from the beginning.

Even those guys get taken third round. Doesn't mean he's going to go high, but I think he can help a team. Yeah, and I think a team will take a fire on him round three, round four. Like, it's going to happen. Like, he's such a good player and he was so productive at Arizona State

that his film doesn't lie. But I just, it's... Sell some jerseys, too. Let's go. Oh, absolutely. Those things would sell. Immediately. Like the, not to bring up Stephen the trainer again, but like

he's one of two college players that like casuals know. Everyone asks about Scatibo. There's got to be, there's got to be value to that. And everyone has an opinion about Scatibo as well. Everyone does. So I,

speaking of production, I feel like Ted McMillan because of this because of this Travis Hunter effect, we're down. rating a lot of receivers that had a lot of production. How do you view Ted McMillan if we wanted to

like contextualize him with not this class? Hmm. Ah. So Ted was someone that we watched when I say we, Ryan and I watched when we broke him down.

And I felt like I came away from his film wanting like I went in expecting more and I came away a little a little disappointed um and the player that i kept thinking about the most when i watched them that i was completely wrong on so it may end up being well was i felt i felt like i was watching courtland sutton at smu and i was completely wrong about court and son but

in court and sudden what has gone on that great career in the nfl um he but he went in the second round um i think i i think the the drake london comparisons like i i understand them um but i think the discourse for tett has completely gotten a little out of control to be what's the discourse like saying that now he's going to get drafted like late 20s like late 20s and i could and i could even understand how you know what i'm hearing is that there's a lot of teams that have Matthew Golden, Texas right receiver as the wide receiver

one on their cards. I get it. But like the fact that like you see mocks that have tech going in like the 20s. I think that's, I think that's Asin. Ooh, you just called Daniel Jeremiah Asinine. That's tough. I mean,

that's not a side of DJ, but I just think I think it's Asinine and because I think there's a place for, I'm using, like, I'll use the Saints at the perfect example. I think if the, of the Saints podcast, so if the Saints took him,

he brings a hierarchy to that wide receiver room. And kind of like, you know, teams like to have like, you know, like a basketball team for like, for the riot receipts. I'd have someone that can go box out,

like possession. They'd have the speed guy. So they have, they have Chrisola, they have Rishish, they're missing that, that chain mover. They're missing that,

that 50-50 guy. Ted would like bring that hierarchy. I think what teams, I think where teams are struggling with is he does, you know, the separation from cornerbacks in college is a legitimate thing. And so that's why the 40 for him, I don't like to get like harp on it, but for some players,

the 40 is important. I felt like for him it was important. But if you're telling me that you could be essentially drafting potentially Drake London in the draft at top 10 in this draft, are you telling me that most teams would say, would say no to that. Like, Greg, for instance, could, if the Patriots at 4 could be sure

that they're drafting Drake London at 4, would they do that? Well, of course they would. They would do that, but he's not the prospect that Drake London was. I think he's an example of the inflation of this draft class where there's not a wide receiver 1, wide receiver 2.

So he is in that group where it's not crazy if he gets taken in the top 10, but he could fall down to 25. Everyone's got, like, it's different flavors. I just, if we're, if we're going to contextualize the quarterbacks by their surrounding talent, right? Tech McMillan had, boy. Tech McMillan had 44% of the receiving yards for Arizona last year, right? Okay.

I think his quarterback was. And I think a lot of the, the reason that we don't see the separation at the catch point was because there wasn't the opportunity for him to do that. Because the ball wasn't on time. It was late. And I just feel like if we had Tech McMillan in a number. other situation, we would probably view it differently where I can't, I can't look away from the fact that nobody else was catching the ball on team. All I'm saying is if you look historically, T. Higgins is another guy similar-ish mold. I don't think of bad. Who I liked as a prospect a lot.

He went 33rd. I know. And so you're saying T. Higgins was a much better prospect and he was a divisive prospect at the time too. But I'm looking at that class and, you know, Pitman goes 34. And I, this is, it's a little unfair because that class was sick. And IUC goes 25 and Justin Jefferson goes, you know, 21. C.D. Lamb goes 17. He's not in the class. Yeah, it was also just a preposterous class. So it's not a fair one to compare.

Henry Ruggs, by the way, went ahead of all of them and so did Jerry Judy. But, uh, like, he, he's not in that class of prospect. So that's why I don't think it's asinine for him to go in the 20s because you can just comparing him to other positions, offensive linemen in this class, defensive of edge players and they're all kind of in one mix where it's like, yeah, he could go four if the Patriots got really crazy or nine if the Saints got crazy

but he also could go 25 and it's fine because he's not like that. So let's stick with the same thing. I'll say this. I'll say it on my podcast so I'm not breaking any news on our podcast. I'm not breaking any news. Like he's in the Saints Cloud at 9. Like if he's there at 9 there's a big probability. Give us the rest of the Saints Cloud while we're doing this.

Oh, absolutely not. Saints, uh, Saints block party. No, give me a break. You come on here. You give us the good stuff.

I'll give me one player that's in there. There's just really going to hold out. Yeah, of course. That this is, this is I get, I'll give you two offensive players. Ted and,

and Tyler Warren. There are two officers in their cloud. They're in their cloud. Shitter must be too. Shitter is in there too. Ah, man. I just think, I think that's a,

that's going to be a heated, a heated discussion if he's there right now. I don't think it's a slam dunk. I think it would get. That's a, that's, we talked about this, right? If like the, like how much juices Kellyn have, that's a, if Helen loves Chador. Because they only have one, one, one, one, round one grade on quarterback in the class. And that's campboard.

So they would essentially be, you know, you know, drafting a grade high. They would take Chador at that, which I would be for, I would understand it. But Kellen would have to essentially be saying, that is my guy. That is my guy. I don't care if Tets on the board. I don't care if Tyler Warren's on the board. That is my guy. That's my quarterback of the future.

I can make an offense and create. And I feel like, like, Shador would, I feel like it would be perfect in Kellyn's offense. But that's a Kellynne more decision. Because where the draft grade is for them, he would not align. I think it would be a good fit. I think he is. Yes. Yes.

Because coaches always, coaches always like the players that are like better versions of them. And in theory, Shadur Sanders is a much better version of a Kellynne Moore. I just like the idea of a power struggle already between Loomis and Kellynne Moore. Well, let's get to it. Let's get to it. We'll wrap up talking a little Derek Carr. You had reported before Kellyn Moore even came aboard,

I mean, that he didn't necessarily want Derek Carr as his quarterback if he was going to become the coach. Derek Carr is still there. The spicier thing that I find interesting over the last handful of days is that you reported, not that the Saints are interested in Tradium, because they've made it clear the Saints, who I'll just refer to as Mickey Loomis. Mickey Loomis is the Saints. He is the Saints.

He wants Derrick Carr. He wants to run it back. He wants to prove that all it was last year was a bunch of injuries and this team can win. He likes Derrick Carr, clearly. But you reported that maybe Derek Carr doesn't like being with the Saints. yeah i i reported that last friday um that he wouldn't mind being traded would be was how you put it he still wants to be traded like he still wants to be traded and if you look at the bread

crumbs i don't feel like i'm reporting anything crazy right because even if you look at the report from esp and jemby fowler when they essentially restructed his contract to essentially be able to be active in free agency that's you know they it was that it was that back and forth even your the podcast you did, NFL Daily that you did with Pellasero, he also hinted that at that point, they didn't know if Derek Carr was him back or not. Those were Brett Cunning Fowler reported that Derek Carr had, like, was anticipating that he was potentially looking forward to hitting the open market. Yeah. You got better, you got better sources with the Saints than these guys. So I didn't report anything crazy or outlandish, but it's just, it's fascinating because I know I was

told that he wants to be trained. Wasn't told why he wants to. But it's just a weird thing. So the coach, the head coach, before he comes on board, told the GM, hey, I would really not like Derek Carter to be my quarterback. Somehow in the mix, after he gets hired, the GM coaxes, convinces, convinces, Keller Moore to ride with Derek Carr. And now Derek Carr is like, eh, don't want to be the quarterback creating more.

And the GM's like, but I want to like preserve my job and save my job. And the only way I see that to be a viable route is to move forth with this quarterback. That doesn't want to be here. It's already dysfunctional and the season hasn't even started yet. It's bad. That's bad. And if I'm Derek Carr, I would want to go to any of the potential options. Number one, the Steelers.

Number two, the Giants would be better, I think, for him. And at least he's played with. Brian Callahan before. So he might not be feeling great vibes in New Orleans. He knows the fan base doesn't like it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. It's interesting. It doesn't mean that it's likely to happen.

It's just an interesting insight. I think it does get more likely depending on that whole discussion when you talked about if Shradors are at nine. And I think that completely changes things. And also Aaron Rogers could stop playing football. And then there could be, you know, in terms of dance partners at the ball, maybe the value goes back up where I, I'm wondering who

who wants it more like who's Adam already covered the you know the hypothetical benefit for Mickey Loomis to stay and have Derek Carb be successful and seeing that as a path to keeping his job I'm not sure that there's a path for him not to have the job

that's I mean that history would prove you right but I got I got to think it's at some point at some point at some point Adam I love having you on I love Patrick bringing out the Saints' Black Party, Adam. I love any Adam.

Appreciate you. Enjoy the rest of Big 12 Pro Day. And yes, everyone check out Adam's podcast. You got the Patreon there. Adam. Love you. And Ryan, that boy wolf on Twitter. Love you guys.

Appreciate you for coming on that. See, Adam. It has been a great week here on NFL Daily. We're breaking news all over the place. Jeremiah's breaking news like an insider. Adam's got some news like an insider. You've got to step your game up, Patrick. I'm going to say, I'm going to call all my sources.

It's just y'all. So that's all I got. All right. When we're dogged on Mickey Loomis, man, you know, I mean, that could be any day of the week, but you know football is back. We'll see you next week.

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