NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Around the League: August 2, 2013

Episode Date: August 2, 2013

Dan Hanzus and Chris Wesseling get you updated on the big news and major storylines in the NFL on the eve of Hall of Fame weekend, including the Philadelphia Eagles excusing Riley Cooper from team activities. Plus, Dan and Chris discuss the three forgotten teams of the NFL (the Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars and Carolina Panthers) and training camp intrigue for each. Then, the guys dial up Gregg Rosenthal in Canton, OH for an update on the Hall of Fame festivities.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by the great, well-built, Chris Wessling. That's just untrue, but thank you. Very, very, you know, I saw on Facebook, you are now in a softball league in Santa Monica. Thanks to Rhino.

Rino King, Jim Rina King, who is one of our editors at NFL.com. You are assimilating into California culture. That is very exciting. That was the one thing I needed, a softball team. That's what got me assimilated into Tybee culture in the first place. An avid softball player. Also, you're an avid cornhole player, one of the greats of all time, according to yourself. So I'm looking forward to getting some lessons from the Babe Ruth of Cornhole.

Lessons will be forthcoming. All right, so it's Wes and I today. It was supposed to be Mark and I, but we had a little change of plans. But we also will be calling Greg Rosenthal, our boss, who is in Canton at the Hall of Fame for all the festivities there. A couple bits of housekeeping. again we are on iTunes now Alex Wilk behind the glass got it done

a man of integrity and preparation and good cheer so you can go there and subscribe and download and also rate us according to Wilk Ty the higher rating we get the more love we get on the iTunes page and that's good so if you could do that

and you know while we're here thank you very much to our listeners even from going back to the debate club days who you know chimed in a lot on Twitter to Mark and I saying how do we get the show and now we have the show on a larger platform so this is exciting did you know I checked my phone last night and my podcast app we were the number one podcast on the new what is new and noteworthy well hello Larry did you hear that Wilk yeah I made that happen so I was aware of the strings of the great and powerful

Oz yeah the next thing we need to do is update the the logo which looks like it was made by a seventh grader in, you know, one of those computer workshop classes in junior high? Yeah, my favorite thing about the logo is that it's quite clearly a college football and not an NFL football. That's quite an oversight that we've made there. All right. So, okay, we're working on that, too. So we're working out the kinks, but the big stuff is there now.

We're on iTunes, so let's keep rolling with that. Today, we have several topics to get to. We're going to talk about QB battles. We're going to talk about some teams that maybe are a little bit under the radar in training camp right now. And, but the place we need to start, I think, is Riley Cooper. Again, we talked about him on Wednesday. Riley Cooper, he of the racial slur at the Kenny Chesney concert, the Eagles teammates initially seemed to get behind him and say, you know, we know who Riley is. On Wednesday night, that's how it was playing out.

And then on Thursday, we heard from LaShawn McCoy, who maybe painted the other side of the picture, which was, you know, I lost a friend and I don't, I can't trust him. him or whatever exactly he said, but it was along those lines. Now, Friday comes, and Wes, you are working this morning. What happened today? The Eagles sent Riley Cooper away from the team to get some counseling, and it seemed to be setting up a situation where they might cut ties with him down the road. That's certainly when I saw it, when I saw it on Twitter, that's the first thing I thought. I know Chip Kelly had said initially he wasn't going anywhere, but once you send a guy away,

like the next step. Yeah, and I read Tom Pellisero of USA Today just came out with a column where he had interviewed a few executives around the league, and they seemed to be unanimous in the opinion that there's no way the Eagles could get anything in a trade for Cooper right now. But they also said that if Cooper was released, he would be picked up. It might not be right away, but he would definitely get another shot. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. The guy, while he's not an elite player by any stretch, he has talent and he's young,

And, you know, in this league, talent carries the day, as we've seen many times before. And, you know, I was a little curious about this assistance thing where he's going off-site. I don't know what exactly he can be assisted with other than maybe learning how to build a time machine. I don't know. Like, how can a man get assistance for this type of situation? I don't understand that. It reminds me a little bit this situation of the Big Ben situation where the Steelers actually put Big Ben on the trade block. And nobody would touch him because it was just too volatile of a situation.

at the time. And I bet, looking back on it, some teams probably wish they would have looked into a trade. This was, if you're referring to the bar incident during... The bar bathroom incident. The bar bathroom incident, we, you know, if you really want to know more, you can look up on the internet details of that wonderful incident for Big Ben. But, yeah, I mean, that was a situation where he became this toxic figure and he got suspended for it, which obviously Riley Cooper will not be suspended for. it but yeah it just goes to show you you know who talks about that anymore with big ben he's a guy that he moved on from it uh he won a super bowl a several months later if i'm not mistaken right

um so riley cooper is still this is a unique situation whereas rothelsberger was implicated in some pretty uh terrible things cooper it's one of those touchstone type things that everybody has an opinion on and it's just you know there's a video involved which made it made it easier to go viral when it first hit on Wednesday. So, you know, the one thing that's interesting to me, and, you know, I, listen, I understand the Eagles are in a tough spot here when one of your players uses, you know, the biggest racial slur in this country, and a lot of the players on that team are African-American. It's a nightmare scenario, PR-wise, but by having him step away from the team, and I know

Cooper is the guy that came out and said he was leaving, but I'm sure it was something like Riley, all right, let's step away for a while. you know, are they extending this narrative unnecessarily because now what's going to happen is he will go away for however long, whether it's a week or three weeks or who knows how long. But once he returns, it's a new story again. And all the players get asked about it again. And Cooper has to have another press conference to talk about it again. So was this from a team standpoint, was it wise to kind of extend this on their own?

I don't think it is. To me, it just seems like they're trying to make the story go away for now. but like you said it's going to have to be addressed again and the teammates are going to be asked about it again Riley Cooper is of course going to be asked about it again so it seems whenever they do bring him back we're starting anew and I don't know how that solves anything no I don't know either so you know that's the big story in the NFL this week

and one of those stories that's crossed over from the NFL to your mom knows about it one of those type of situations but as far as actual NFL goes I mean you know maybe let's talk about But I know Wilk on Wednesday expressed his anger that we had talked about the New York Jets two episodes in a row. I mean, the guy's filled with Fury. He's upset because Mark Sanchez is from USC and he's become a whipping boy for this league. And I'm as a Jets fan upset about it. But he got to me a little bit.

Wilk got to me. He's right. We shouldn't be talking about the Jets all the time when they're probably an also ran in the league this year. So, you know, I don't need the peanut gallery either. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm bowing down. You're right. I don't need you then to chime in, you know, with your crown on. I just don't appreciate being called angry when I'm very calm on this side of the glass. Very calm. All right. You're the best. Thank you.

But, okay, so let's talk about some teams that maybe are under the radar. And, you know, as we spoke about downstairs, there is, there seems to be what we can call a Bermuda Triangle in the southeastern area of this country. and it's three teams, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Tennessee Titans, and the Carolina Panthers, three NFL franchises that do not get enough love. So let's talk about them, Wes. As a transplant from Tybee Island, Georgia, myself, I'm aware that these teams do not get enough love,

and I'm always happy to talk about them would much rather talk about the Panthers, Titans, and Jaguars than the New York Jets. I know. Actually, I find myself writing more content on the Jets than any other team, only because Wes has made a hardline stance not to write about the Jets since coming over to nfl.com so let's start with you dan what is your feeling on cam newton this year well you know what i am a guy i'm a cam newton apologist i've always been a cam newton apologist maybe maybe that's somehow connected to the fact that

he's a fantasy football darling for me and he's won titles for me with those epic uh november and december runs where he takes the panthers from two and eight to seven and nine which i've enjoyed over the past couple seasons. But I do think, I really do think this, he's in a good spot right now because he is the guy that's forgotten among these young quarterbacks and having another year of maturity

and when you combine that with his physical skills, which to me, I kind of think he's peerless at his position in terms of when you combine the speed and power and, you know, his just ability to take over a game. Maybe RG3 is now in that, conversation also when he's 100%. But I think Newton is the guy that I love to watch more than anyone in the league.

He came out today. He spoke to Sterling Sharp on Inside Training Camp Live, and he had this to say. I just think it's time for me. You know, it's no more excuses in my part. You know, first year is gone. Second year is gone. You know, now I'm considered somewhat of a veteran to these guys. You know, so, you know, taking accountability on this offense and as his team is big for me,

and that's what I wanted to come back and be one of my staples to get better. So, you know, is that lip service? I don't know. But I do think he's potentially a guy under the radar that could have a big season. The Panthers are my pick for the team that will come out of nowhere to make the playoffs in the NFC this year. Not just because Cam played so well down the stretch last year, but if you remember early in the year, They lost a lot of games by a touchdown or less. Their kicker got fired for blowing a game or two.

They had that grizzly lost to Atlanta that they had no business. Right. And after they moved Luke Keekly to middle linebacker, they were a top 10 NFL defense. So this is a very intriguing team to me. So do you see, if you say they're a playoff team, I mean, you're saying this is a team that can win nine or ten games and hang in their division. They have that type of ability?

Absolutely. I've picked them only behind the Falcons in the NFC South. I think the Saints have too many questions on defense. The Panthers are a more complete team right now. What about the idea of the Panthers not doing enough to surround Newton with talent? I think Newton's gotten himself in trouble last year, specifically in the early part of last year when he was trying to do too much. They didn't go out and get him another wide receiver. And you have Steve Smith, who's another one of my favorite players.

But, you know, he's entering his age 34 season. Is that going to be a situation? I think if you believe Steve Smith is still a number one receiver, and we both do. And if you have Greg Olson at tight end, you don't need to have the best second wide receiver in the league. I think Brandon LaFelle is good enough. It would be nice if one of either Ted Ginn or Dominic Hickson or Armani Edwards, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. If one of those guys stepped up as a third receiver would be nice. But I think they have the weapons.

They do need Jonathan Stewart healthy. He's a better back than DeAngelo Williams when he's healthy. So they need that. But if they're all healthy, that's a good enough offense to get to the playoffs. And who knows, maybe if they didn't give DeAngelo Williams such a terrible contract a few years back, they would have had some money to go get a wide receiver this year. That's a good point. Okay, so moving forward, the Titans, okay?

We got another team that, you know, you look at them on paper and you think maybe they can contend for a playoff spot, right? Right. They have the talent at running back and wide receiver. Delaney Walker is a bit of a question mark at tight end because he's never started before. But what I found interesting was Sean Jefferson, the wide receivers coach, kind of went off on Justin Hunter this week, the rookie. And I've seen other sites kind of blowing that out of proportion. That's just Sean Jefferson's M.O.

He likes the light of fire under young guys. He did it with Titus Young in Detroit. That didn't work out quite as well. But yeah. I don't know if that was on him, though. I think Kendall Wright's lost 15 pounds, which he definitely needed to lose because he couldn't make plays after the catch last year. Yeah. They have some interesting skill position players on offense.

And it's easy to forget Kenny Britt's season last year was wiped out, but you go back to Kenny Britt before the ACL injury in September 2011. He was turning into a monster. And now having another year full health, as long as he keeps his head on straight, which is obviously a big question mark with him, he could be a dynamic dude. But, you know, it all goes back also to the quarterback, and, you know, is Jake Locker the guy? Because, you know, I agree. I think this is a team that could be a potential five or six seed. But at the same time, they only go as far as Locker progresses. And he has weapons around him.

He's got Chris Johnson, who's, you know, talking about 2,000 yards again, all right, Chris. But he has these receivers, and he has a new offensive line, interior offensive line that's very impressive. I mean, it's all there if this guy can progress. Do you see it happening, though? in his third year and he's still fundamentally flawed with his mechanics and his footwork I think it's very telling

that the Titans are moving to a run first offense that tells you what they think of Jake Locker right now. He has all the talent in the world but he's not ready to lead a team to lead a passing attack that can take a team to the playoffs. Okay and then there's the Jaguars and I don't know

you know you want Blaine Gabbard he deserves one more shot at this but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen for this dude and you know it to me blaine gabbert is going to lose this competition to chad henny isn't he i think so and i think uh i found it interesting when they asked mark mike malarkey earlier in the off season who coached the jaguars last year his prediction and he said chad hennie's a better quarterback than blaine gabbert i thought that was pretty telling since he was part of the regime that drafted blaine gabert yeah and uh you know they're the new coaching

staff the new front office has been so pro blaine all offseason and then they get to training camp and see that he's just not as good as maybe they hoped he would be i think chad hennie can move the offense he'll take too many sacks he'll throw too many interceptions he won't be that accurate but he can get that offense up and down the field which i don't think gabbard can do it's hard to imagine uh them not targeting a quarterback next may right a hundred percent chance yeah so you know We can't count out Gabbard until we actually see him, at least in preseason games, but it's not looking too well. So that is our update on the Bermuda Triangle. We can check in at some point.

I don't know if podcast ratings just dropped through the floor talking about those teams. Wilk, what is your supercomputer say? Supercomputer has suddenly broken for some reason. I don't know what that means. That's definitely not a good sign. So speaking, you know, we were just talking on the QB battle in Jacksonville, there are other QB battles going on. right now. So let's go through them. In Buffalo, Wes, I know you had mentioned downstairs, E.J. Manuel, what are your thoughts on that situation? Well, I wrote about this this morning.

Kevin Cobb, his accuracy's been off. He has never dealt with the Blitzwell. And that's been an issue already in training camp. Cobb has the second highest sack rate among all active quarterbacks behind David Carr, who was sacked an ungodly amount of times when the Houston Texans franchise just started. You still can't sleep through the night. And I don't see that changing for Cobb. E.J. E.J. Manuel, on the other hand, the GM came out this week, says he has the it factor.

He's going to be the face of the franchise. He's outplayed Cobb the last three or four days of practices. I don't see how that momentum really changes. As Greg likes to say, the tie goes to the rookie now in today's NFL. It wasn't always like that, but it is now. And I just, I would be shocked if Cobb is. under center in week one. You know what?

The thing to me, I do think these teams have to be careful with a tie going to the rookie. And I think last year was one of those things where it could instill a false sense of confidence in these coaches and GMs where you had, it's a special crop of guys, RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, the type of guys that could take a team and lead them, you know, into the playoffs. And even a guy like Ryan Tannahill where it was clear that he had this stuff to hang in the league, even if he wasn't fully developed yet. but you know does that mean that every guy should get thrown into the fire now if the if the

incumbent isn't a overwhelming favorite for the job it just seems to be a risky move and you know that kind of leads us into the jets who have we have to talk with the jets a little bit wilk we won't hang on it though oh man all right he's shooting you know what i'm just gonna fade you down here all right you bring her back thank you very much uh no with the jets we have Gino Smith who, you know, from all reports, seems to be heading into the driver's seat on this job. I mean, again, there's only so much you could see without training camp, without preseason games. But Mark Sanchez is not having a great training camp from what we're hearing, and Smith is starting to inspire confidence in his teammates, and the coaches are speaking highly

of him. So it seems like it's all pointing to the Jets going for that fresh start. But I don't know if gino smith's in a good spot there because he doesn't have an offense around him you know the jet situation is fascinating because what's good for john idzick isn't necessarily good for rex ryan then we talked about that edzic drafted gino smith yeah and rex ryan sanchise is his guy i don't know that uh what's interesting there also is that sanchise has the same problem as cob if you blitz him he he just folds he's terrible under pressure and i don't know how you're going to reverse that i get your point about the rookies you can't just rushed him in there and point to last year, which was the exception.

Those three guys, and if you include Tanny Hill four guys, there might not be a single quarterback in this year's draft class that can hang with those guys. So I understand that, but I don't know that there's any sense in running out a veteran quarterback in week one if he can't deal with pressure in the pocket. Okay, and then over in Philadelphia, when they're not dealing with Riley Cooper Madness, you have the Michael Vick versus Nick Foles. What do you see going on there? I think that's Vick's job to lose,

and it looks like he is pulling away quite a bit from Fools, who last year, to me, disturbing thing about Fools was he was a checkdown machine and he was brutal in the red zone. I don't see how, after they drafted Matt Barclay, kind of told me that Foles wasn't their guy. Right. So I don't see why Fools would,

why they would pick Foles over Vick in this competition. And one thing I think to keep in mind and to take out of the whole Cooper situation is that, you know, the team called on Vic to be their leader in that situation and he spoke for the team and he had the private conversation with Cooper before Cooper ever spoke to the rest of the teammates in the locker room. The guy, you know, there's plenty of reasons not to like Michael Vic, but from everything we hear, the guy is known as like a respected dude in the locker room.

And, you know, when you see what's happening with that team and seeing the team turning to him, it's hard to imagine him then being the backup quarterback. Right. I agree. that speaks volumes that they're turning to him as a spokesperson. And then one more, one more quarter. It's not a quarterback competition because we know Jason Campbell's not going to beat out

Brandon Whedon, but you had some thoughts about Peter King who is, you know, traveling around with his new website, Monday morning quarterback.com. And, you know, he usually, the part of the King appeal is it's usually a sunny side-up type view on things. So when he has a negative take on something,

you know, it gets people to look. And he didn't have great things to say about Brandon Whedon. He said flat out that Whedon is not the answer for the Browns at quarterback. And I'm kind of torn on this because I believe the same thing. Whedon is not the answer. On the other hand, Peter King, as much as we respect him for his sources, and he's very good at what he does when he's reporting. But his history is a talent evaluator is brutal.

This is a guy who has advised fantasy owners to draft Eddie Royal and Jabbar. Gaffney and Donald Jones? I mean, Peter's forte is not talent evaluation. If he's getting this information from Rob Chazinski or Michael Lombardi, which he may very well be if he's coming out this strongly, then it's pretty telling. And, you know, I don't know that the Browns really have that much to look forward to on offense this year. Yeah, I mean, Whedon's going to get his shot, and it's almost the most he could ask for it because with the regime change, it looked for second there. If it was a better quarterback class, he would have already been supplanted. But He's going to get his shot.

It just doesn't seem he might not have a lot of support in the building. Okay. So, as we said earlier, Greg Rosenthal, our boss, is in Canton for the Hall of Fame. We need to check in with him. There's a couple things. Actually, I want to talk to him about something that happened last night while I was handling the late news shift. We'll start with that. So Wilk-Tai, can you give Greg a call?

Let's do it. Hello? Greg Rosenthal. This is Dan Hansus, with Chris Wessling, the Around the League podcast. Oh, so we're on. We are on. We're doing it. Tell us what's going on in Canton right now.

I just had a pretty long media session with all the enshrinees. It was pretty cool. Bill Parcells. Someone asked me, like, who's the coolest person to see because he's walking by 30 or 40 Hall of Famers? And, you know, it's kind of overwhelming. But Bill Parcells, for me, as a kid, someone that grew up in the Northeast is kind of the coolest guy of me.

Yeah, that actually kind of checks out for me, too. When I, having grown up in New York, at the Super Bowl in February, we were, I guess, I think it was before the game, we were in a tunnel by the field level at the Superdome, and Parcells came strolling by with a big pair of aviators, and he just had that kind of godlike appeal to a football fan like me. I just got a little starstruck when I saw him. Yeah, I got that. And just everything, I mean, it's now the kinder, gentler, reflective parcels.

So, I mean, he was great. I could have just sat there and listened to him the whole time. Chris Cardner broke down crying within two or three minutes of talking, talking about, you know, overcoming his alcohol problems and really have to stop the press conference for a couple minutes. I mean, it was more of a casual setting, but he couldn't get it back together. So it's cool seeing these guys, you know, this setting because you realize how much it means to him.

Yeah, I mean, Chris Carter was definitely one of my personal favorite players of the 90s. Once he got his head on straight and went to the Vikings, was there ever a guy that was better at getting his feet in bounds in the back or corner of an end zone than Chris Carter? Yeah, and I kind of asked him what, you know, I asked him a few different questions, but one was, you know, what sort of was his style as a player or what to find him, and he kind of joke, but he's just like, you throw it,

I catch it. He's like, if someone's on me, I catch it. If someone is over the, if two people are over the top of me, I catch it. If it's away from my body,

I catch it. If I'm on the end of, you know, and then I'm on the end zone, I'm not catch it. And it was a pretty good, I felt like that was a pretty good summary of what made him special.

Yeah, I think he probably had the best hands of anyone of his generation. So, you know, it's great that you're out there, Greg, but also we're not completely sure

that you're going to be able to give us any production because you had you had what would be documented as a pretty awful technical issue yesterday you're going to bring that up yeah i lost the letter t um i think it might have been a little condensation for water or something but no that the letter t was no longer working and the letter t is important um da has the letter t yes rosenthal has the letter t so you can't log into uh your computer, if that's your last name. So it was a problem. It slowed me down a little, but I'm bouncing back. I decided that you have Turf Toe. You are the Ledadian Tomlinson of the Around the League crew. You have been felled by the letter T. I have a lot of computer problems, I feel like in general,

that sort of follows me around. Like the, like, I have a friend that always gets injured, so this is like my equivalent of that. Yeah, and like Turf Toe is also the injury where it's a legitimate injury but you know nobody you know when you hear it explained is the injury it's not very impressive but when you say you lose the letter T on your keyboard that's pretty devastating but people probably don't take it seriously that's you know that's no no it's hard enough to get taken seriously as someone that looks like he's 14 years old trying to interview these guys so losing the letter T is just another another thing on top of it all right so what else is going on out there what what how is the rest of the weekend going to play out uh they have

You're trying to dinner tonight, which I'm going to go to. They have the luncheon this afternoon, which they do not allow any media at, even our photographer. I did this photo essay kind of going through the hall and picking out some crazy stuff that's going to go up. I'm excited about that. Nice. We got, you know, we got the big ceremony tomorrow night with a game on Sunday. I might try to hit up Friendly's restaurant while I'm here. Chris might know a little bit about Friendly.

We're going to have that. I've spent some time in Friendly's. Oh, yeah. Friendly's the chain restaurant? Right. Oh, yeah, Friendlies was great. I remember going there with my dad

after we saw Aliens 3 in the theater. We went to Friendly's. It was one of those moments that sticks with you. So they have that in Canton. Good times. I can give a preview. You know, I have heard, you know, some inside scoop on who's going to have the long speech.

There was one speech that was only two minutes long, and they had to tell them to beep it up a little. I know Chris Carter, this isn't, you know, a secret, but Chris Carter is going to close out. uh the day and that's a big spot you know they kind of they kind of give it away who they think is going to have the best speech by by who's last they went warren sap second to last and he was a big star here today like he had the most attention he pretty much had people laughing for about 45 minutes uh but he's going to be second to last and chris carter is going to close it up

is warren sat is he going to be able to keep it together because i was watching NFL network had some type of special on yesterday you know walk up to the to the ceremony and sap just lost it, sitting in a studio. I can't imagine what's going to be happening in front of all those people and family members. Yeah, I thought the same thing when I, you know, with Chris Carter earlier, too, is that he literally was two or three minutes into just a pretty casual session with reporters, and he had to stop for a couple minutes.

He got so emotional sap, I think, is, you know, he'll cry. It would be interesting to see Bill Parcell's cry. He's kind of the one guy you're not really sure. Or Larry Allen. I can't really imagine Larry Allen crying. Larry Ann cracked me up. I went and talked to him for a bit. Every answer was funny and to the point, but it was like four words long.

I feel like his speech is not going to involve any crime. And is Curtis Martin introducing Parcells? He is not. It is George Martin, actually, who Parcells always kind of talked about as the ultimate Parcell's guy, the ultimate giant. But Martin is here, like a lot of the former players. He talked, you know, I talked to him a little bit about Parcells today, and, you know, he's just, I don't know. I know you're, as a big Jets fan, like, you couldn't have a better ambassador than Curtis Martin.

He was just very, very impressive. Yeah, and I'm so, the best part of it is that we took him from your Patriots at the prime of his career, and it will never, you'll never give up, you'll never forget about it, and that's what feels good. And, yeah, I mean, Parcell and Martin, kind of together, really kind of kick-started the whole Patriot Jet thing. I hope someone tomorrow has a speech close to as affecting as Curtis Martin, because to me that goes, I love these. I love Hall of Fame Week, and I've never been here, but I always like to watch it on TV. We could hear in your voice. I thought it's one of the best speeches, I think.

You sound giddy right now, positively. I am. I'll see you guys Monday. Okay, thank you, and have fun. Enjoy it. gentler bill parcels no big cars or big cigars and motor cars quotes or if he doesn't bite as a puppy he won't bite yeah well he he was one of the great quote men of all time i'm sure we'll have a good a few good ones and i'm actually a little surprised he's not closing it out because i feel like parcels could deliver

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