NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Around the League: July 31, 2013

Episode Date: August 1, 2013

On a busy day inside the NFL media newsroom, Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling sit down in NFL.com's Studio 66 to discuss the biggest news from coast to coast. Topics include Percy Harvin's... injury, Riley Cooper's racially insensitive remark and more.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:42 Oh, man, I'm doing great. How are you, Wes? Couldn't be better. Wes back in the studio. We called down to him. It was kind of depressing doing the phone call down, but now he's back in the big chair. It feels good, doesn't it, Wes?
Starting point is 00:01:54 It's been a long time coming. It's been three weeks now. Yes, a couple, we have to do a couple bits of housekeeping just to get going. Number one, Mark Sessler, tell us about iTunes. iTunes, so after a long odyssey in the abyss where we floated essentially nowhere on the internet. And we had, you know, it was nice to finally realize that there are some people out there that actually faithfully listen to this show. And we're pinging us individually on Twitter. Guys, help me out here.
Starting point is 00:02:22 You're from the NFL. You should easily have a show. How do I find it? We had no answers. but we do now. We have an iTunes page built around this show, an RSS feed clicked in. Wilk, what's the, do we give them the address?
Starting point is 00:02:35 We just, how do we get them? How do you access it? I think the easiest way is NFL.com slash podcast. We're right on there at the bottom of that page, since we're the most recent ones we get put at the bottom. Right. And there's a nice subscribe button on there. You can subscribe through iTunes or any number of other podcast listening devices. Excellent.
Starting point is 00:02:54 That is great news. Yeah, there was a time where, The previous iteration of this podcast, the ATL Debate Club, can only be found on Netscape if you plugged in with a modem and then, like, you know, wished really hard. It would somehow pop up in your, like, AOL mailbox. But now you have many options, so that's great. Also, we, on Monday, we spoke about the first subscriber on iTunes to the ATL podcast
Starting point is 00:03:20 would get a 2007 Tennessee Titans media guide with Vince Young. on the cover and also a mylar balloon for the Houston Texans. That winner is Scott Pris Balinski or Presbylinski. I apologize if it's mispronounced there, but you are the winner. You're the first to subscribe
Starting point is 00:03:40 and we don't have that Texans Milar balloon, but Wes is going to volunteer and give up one of his Cincinnati Bengals Milar balloons that were given away in a swag giveaway at the newsroom. Does the average person know what a Milar balloon is? I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it correctly, but listen,
Starting point is 00:03:56 And that's what's coming. So Scott, if you are listening, and this will be a good test if you're actually a fan, hit me up on Twitter, and we will get to you your prize. All right, coming up today, first of all, Greg Rosenthal, our boss is in Canton at the Hall of Fame. We will talk to him on Friday for the podcast. But coming up today, we have Pro Bowl. There was a big announcement. Serious changes there.
Starting point is 00:04:20 We're going to talk some Percy Harvin, who obviously is under the knife for this hill. surgery. He's going to be out potentially until Thanksgiving. But I think where we want to start is the biggest news of today. Riley Cooper, the Eagles wide receiver, who we just spoke about on Monday as a guy that was potentially going to have to make the leap now that Jeremy Maclin has done. He said some pretty stupid things. Wes? He did say some stupid things. I feel like if we talk about that there's going to be a hook coming out of the wall to kind of take me out of my chair if we talk about race in America. It can't be done. There are people who make a living being offended, so we have to be careful what we say. Well, I mean, listen, Cooper, what he did was legitimately
Starting point is 00:05:05 offensive. He, apparently, he was at a Kenny Chesney concert, which is offensive to start with, and he made a racial slur towards a African-American security guard. Of course, it's caught on Cameron, and of course it surfaces quickly. He was fined by the team. All the statements came out, deriding him, and he came out now. Well, the Eagles in general, and I agree with Greg's assessment on Saturday that the Eagles have a deep skill position group at wide receiver. Yes, they do, but nobody's mistaking Riley Cooper for the next fantastic possession receiver a guy who's going to burn you down the edge.
Starting point is 00:05:45 He's an average receiver at best, and he's put himself in a bad position because he's certainly know one that general population's rooting for when they're watching an Eagles game at this point? Although we forget about things in what 12 days? Yeah, well this one is going to be a little tougher to forget about I would think for his teammates who many of them are African American
Starting point is 00:06:05 apparently right before we came upstairs to do the podcast we had gotten some word that some teammates are not speaking out saying that he did address the team and they're willing to move forward from it but it's going to be a tough spot and I also think it's something to keep an eye out
Starting point is 00:06:20 is Chip Kelly here. This has been a tough few days for the new coach who is dealing with the McLean and the restruction and it goes with that after Jeremy and Bleckham blew out the ACL and now he has to, you know, he's dealing with some internal strife in the locker room. That's going to be a challenge.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Yeah, I mean, we talked about Macklin as being Chip Kelly's first sort of big test and, well, welcome to the NFL because I think every one of these coaches, it's like we're so new into the season that whoever gets hit with the big injury or the big issue inside the locker room. It's like, uh-oh, tough for Doug Marone
Starting point is 00:06:54 or tough for Chip Kelly to deal with situation A or B. Kelly's going to deal with this week to week in Philadelphia. Right, and it'll be interesting to check out Twitter in the next day or so because, yes, I do think this story will go away pretty quickly, but right now it's what everyone wants to talk about. Marcus Vic, who I call the Frank Stallone of the NFL, Mike Vick's brother, he came out and put like a really meager amount of money
Starting point is 00:07:16 as a bounty on the $1,000, I believe it was. literally when an NFL player sneezes a thousand dollars comes out of his nose so i don't think a the money's going to tie some and be anybody would take him up on the offer anyway so you have that type of idiocy floating around just kind of like a stupid ugly thing that would be best that we all kind of move past so we're going to move past it on the atl podcast very good transition uh let's talk about the pro bowl uh what uh west you wrote our i did the news piece that gave kind of more of the straightforward stuff that what's going down they are now. They're eliminating AFC versus NFC, which is kind of insane to me, as someone
Starting point is 00:07:55 who grew up watching the game. Maybe not enjoying it that much, but watching it. And a bunch of other rules. Wes, you wrote an opinion piece on it. What are your thoughts about this game? The switches do not address the problem, which is fans are tired of watching a game where players are making, quote, unquote, business decisions, deciding not to play hard, not to tackle, not to block as hard. I thought our buddy, Dave Damasek, had a very good idea. Ditch the Pro Bowl all together
Starting point is 00:08:22 and go with the Loser Bowl, the two teams with the worst records, square off in the week before the Super Bowl, and the team that wins the game gets the number one overall draft pick. I mean, that's high stakes. Let's put something on the line here. Who wouldn't watch that?
Starting point is 00:08:37 And a lot of Damashch's ideas are actually secret, like sneaky, brilliant. And then if he hears this, he'll come down to the newsroom, him a couple days later. I'm like, oh, why is it got to be sneaky brilliant? It can't just be brilliant. But it really is because that's a game that would have real stakes, whereas the built-in issue with this Pro Bowl, you could do whatever you want. And Goodell is trying this. You can almost call it a Hail Mary to try to fix this game and make it relevant. But ultimately, it's kind of
Starting point is 00:09:03 putting lipstick on a pig. And it's hard to fix a game where the stakes aren't high, guys aren't going to go all out. And on top of it, it's after the Super Bowl. So it's like nobody cares. Well, that's a big mistake right there. I think they're trying to speed the game up. I don't think that the agents or the league's best kick returners are going to be excited about the fact that they've been removed from the equation. But the issue I have that I
Starting point is 00:09:26 think was a Pete Priscoe that brought up initially, what happens when you've got Chandler Jones making his first Pro Bowl this season, Dan's making the leap candidate, squaring off on the team across from Tom Brady about to light up his quarterback. Is he going to go full force?
Starting point is 00:09:42 Is he going to even go for that hit? That sounds There's a lot of conflicts. It's not going to happen because Tom will be in Argentina with Giselle, chilling out. Fair. Well, you've solved the entire issue. Coconut drink. So, you know. I'll let's say, yeah, like you're saying, like, how does a hard-charging defender go after his own player,
Starting point is 00:10:00 whether it's a running back or a quarterback or a wide receiver? It just smacks a farce. But at the same time, I'm not going to kill the NFL. And I know a lot of people on Twitter, the first instinct was to rip it. Let's face it, like, people weren't happy. with how the game was. So why not just shake it up and see if you can do something?
Starting point is 00:10:19 Even if it's a short-term solution, at least you're trying something. Yeah, I give them points for creativity, but I haven't watched the Pro Bowling years and I doubt I'll watch it again unless I'm covering it. Well, and it's exactly. The gist of it is we're not excited about this game
Starting point is 00:10:34 and they've tried to refashion it. I don't think that if it's a complete dud again with these minor tweaks, that this is going to be the way it is for 15 years. this is a one-time look-see and if they need to make more drastic changes. I mean, Goodell's talked openly about just canceling the thing. I don't think that's out of the equation if it fails again.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Well, give the NFL credit where it's due, out of all the league's professional sports leagues, the NFL is not afraid to make changes to make the game better. So you're right. If it doesn't work, something else will be tried. Someone is patting us on our head right now as we praise our employers. A large shadowy league figure, 7 foot 7. You know, and, you know, if you look at other leagues, Major League Baseball, I think it was about 10 years ago now, they started to get some heat about their All-Star game, and what they did, they reacted by deciding whoever wins the game of American League versus National League gets home field advantage in the World Series.
Starting point is 00:11:28 And that was also, you know, laughed at and ridiculed by a lot of baseball fans. So it's almost like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't know. I can't get on the league about this, but at the same time, I'm not sure it's going to ultimately be good. All right. The other big news from yesterday, and this is probably the biggest news of the week, Percy Harvin went to New York, flew to New York to get the second opinion on his hip. Turns out he's going to need surgery, and the surgery will take place on Thursday. They're saying three to four months, we're hearing maybe Thanksgiving is the time he comes back. Seattle Seahawks, obviously he was potentially the final piece and them being an NFC favorite to go to the Super Bowl. Wes, what do you think this means for the Seahawks? Are they in big trouble now?
Starting point is 00:12:17 I think you put it well when you said final piece. We're talking about a team that was very good last year, especially down a stretch where they averaged 32 points a game over the last 10 games. They don't need him to go to the playoffs, but my sense when they made the trade was Percy Harvin is good enough, was an MVP candidate before he, tore his ankle up last year he's good enough that he changes them from and also ran to a legitimate Super Bowl contender so if he's healthy
Starting point is 00:12:44 by Christmas ideally by Thanksgiving which I I'm very skeptical of that happening but if he's healthy by Christmas and gives them a shot in the arm maybe they're still Super Bowl contenders but it's sky isn't falling but it's a significant blow I thought you made a good point too
Starting point is 00:13:00 on Twitter when you said that 10 games, the last 10 games of the season, 10 or 11 games, they were averaging over 32 points a game last season. This is without Harvin. They're bringing back a lot of the same team. It's almost the same offense, essentially. You know, as long as Sidney Rice doesn't come back from his jaunt to Switzerland with, you know, no legs or something. I mean, everything should be fine. I think they're going to be still a good offense. Harvin was maybe the guy that was going to make them almost an unstoppable type offense if everybody else stayed healthy and progressed. Well, I would caution the idea of, oh, because they, I know Wes wasn't pointing this out initially, they went on a torrid pace down the stretch. They're just going to open that way. Teams have spent the off-season studying Seattle. I think that Seattle put a ton of time reshaping their playbook to include Harvin.
Starting point is 00:13:50 What I do like, though, when the timing's kind of cool, is like for Seattle, if Harvin comes back around December when you've spent the whole season looking at a certain type of Seattle team, then they can use those plays, which they did spend. spend the off-season practicing, you drop harvinton into the equation in December. First of all, it's a hip injury. He may not come back all year. We don't know. But if he does, suddenly Seattle's got this like weapon that no one's seen all season that no one knows how to prepare for right when it matters most. It might work out well for them if he's healthy. It shouldn't be forgotten also that not only were they the NFL's best
Starting point is 00:14:24 defense last year, but they were far and away the most, the run heaviest team in the league. They're still identified with Marshawn Lynch on offense. You know, and so we talked about he, they have a buy over that Thanksgiving week, but if he comes back December 1st, they play in order the Saints, the 49ers, the New York Giants, the Cardinals, and the Rams. That's three division games and that's five within the conference. That right there is, listen, if Harvin is put into that soup, that could be right when, I don't think the 49ers in Seattle are going to do this 11 and 2, 12 and 1 trip.
Starting point is 00:14:57 I think that division's going to beat itself up hard. the records aren't going to be as impressive Harvin is a difference maker I don't want to go down the road saying it doesn't matter if he's on the team because they were so good last year they got him for a reason If you guys were in general manager
Starting point is 00:15:12 John Schneider's shoes Would you, given the chance Reverse the trade if you could right now I said this on Twitter last night That I would still make the trade Because Harvin has already locked up for another five years I mean hip injuries aren't anything to sneeze at But to me
Starting point is 00:15:28 Actually, I don't think you can sneeze properly with a bad-tick injury. That's a good point. True story. My philosophy on NFL and really any sport is you win with difference makers, and I think Percy Harvin is one. I don't think that a late first-round pick is that much to give up for that much. No, it isn't. I would agree with that.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I think that it's a long season, and they're looking long-term with Harvin. They're not a one-year deal here. I think also that Harvin and Greg put it really well at the end of a post he wrote this morning that, like, Percy Harvin problems are never simple. Like, he's always been a complex dude to deal with. He tweeted about his injury, it didn't come from the team. That speaks to some sort of discord, I think, between the two sides. Harvin wanted to protect his body here a little bit.
Starting point is 00:16:11 That's my sense. I don't know that for a fact. But, yeah, I would do it again because he's one of the five or six guys that when he's healthy, he puts them at a different level and what they can do with the football. Yeah, I don't think teams like the player breaking injury news like that. in another sport in baseball, Arod, who's facing his own issues when he gave his own medical update
Starting point is 00:16:31 about a month ago, his general manager, Brian Cashman, told him to shut the app out. That didn't go well. So, you know, I don't think the Seahawks know because they saw what happened in Minnesota that they have to treat Harvin with kid gloves on some level. And, you know, I was reading
Starting point is 00:16:45 a Peter King story yesterday where they said they were more than happy for him to head over to New York to get the second opinion because they want Harvin to feel like he can trust his new team. So, you know, bottom line is he's out of the lineup for a while and they'll probably survive.
Starting point is 00:17:01 One other player that's in the news, another high-paid player with an injury issue, Mario Williams. Mark, you want to talk a little bit about Mario Williams because it seems to be with this guy, he signs a $60 million deal, and I'm not so sure this is going to end well. Well, I think it's all, he's an edigmatical guy, and I think that he's been enough of a distraction versus the production he's put forth where you do have to question the amount of money. We talk about what a GM do it again. The GM that did it isn't with the team anymore. So I don't think that that's something Buffalo is 100 percent. And yeah, I think that Marone
Starting point is 00:17:39 is also another guy learning the way of the NFL where you're going to get asked the questions that you either can't answer or don't have a complete answer to. That's not going to stop 15 guys from saying the same thing over. He got really annoyed yesterday. Well, it's funny you say that because Alex Wilk, behind the glass, a man of integrity and preparation, has that soundbite. Doug Marone speaking with the Buffalo Press yesterday. Frustrated, honestly, when it gets to a point where I feel like I've tried to explain myself and how I handle the injuries, okay?
Starting point is 00:18:13 And I've answered the questions, and you keep coming at me, all right? Put yourself in my position. I don't know. If I asked you what play, call our play in our system on third down, Okay? What play would you call right now? That's not my job. Do you know the play? I really couldn't tell you because I've not seen your playbook.
Starting point is 00:18:32 Right, okay. I haven't talked to the doctor. I haven't talked to the doctor or have seen the playbook. I'm done. I'm not answering any more questions about Mario Williams until the doctor gives me this. Obviously, if we send him to get evaluations, he's excused from the team. That's not a legitimate question. I don't think that's going to go down to, you know, Dennis Greed, And, you know, we were the best damn team.
Starting point is 00:18:57 What was the Dennis Green quote famously? You are who we, they are who we thought they were. Oh, yeah. It doesn't go to, it's not in that category, but it was interesting to see him, especially this early in the game, his first year as an NFL coach, to kind of get a little tense with the media.
Starting point is 00:19:12 I thought he was being honest, though. A couple of people initially, like, oh, he's melted. He's lost control. Yeah, I mean, I think the Morone, number one, he's a brass tax guy. He's an upstate New York dude. the guy is just like stop Stop throwing this nonsense at me
Starting point is 00:19:27 I've given you what I can give you let's move on Don't you think in a lot of ways we've been conditioned As the media and as any league observer To expect all coaches to be deadpan like Bill Belichick Yes we were conditioned that that's how a coach is supposed to act now And if we get someone colorful If we get someone interesting We think they're melting down
Starting point is 00:19:46 And that's why it stood out I don't think anyone was expecting it from Doug Marone of all people Because he has been rather stoic Because who's Doug Marone Exactly But he's on my radar. Yeah, my two takeaways. Number one, the part that we didn't play, as he goes, you know, I'm a straight shooter.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Ask anybody that knowing me since I'm a kid, I'm a straight shooter. Actually, remind me something that my dad would say. I mean, he was, you know, he was just keeping it real. I think what maybe jumps out at you, it was a little Parcellian a little bit, kind of taking out a media member like that. And if you're Bill Parcells and you do it, it's like, it's great, it's awesome, that's classic Parcells. But when Doug Marone doesn't, nobody really knows who this guy is. People are conditioned to be like, who's this guy? You know, is he all right?
Starting point is 00:20:30 Is he about to, you know, break down? But, you know, but back to Williams, I mean, it seems like behind the scenes, there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between Mario Williams and the Bills. You know, there were the reports that he got that wrist surgery last year without the team's knowledge. He has this crazy engagement ring story that doesn't paint him. or the team in a good light. Now he has a foot injury where the coach is getting testy about it. Is this a relationship built to less?
Starting point is 00:21:00 I mean, I think whenever you have a coach, I feel for the coaches that come in out of nowhere and adopt these big contract guys or headcases or a combination of the both, which I don't think Williams was necessarily earlier in his career, but in Buffalo, something's gone on. He's definitely not been who they wanted him to be. I think if Morone could reshape the team,
Starting point is 00:21:20 Williams would have nothing to do with this, Neither would his contract, of course. Right. How many NFL relationships are built to last unless they involve a quarterback? That's really true. Because most quarterback coach, most quarterbacks get their coaches fired, to be honest. And Williams, you know, he's another guy that went out and sort of went rogue on his medical stuff, which again, it's their bodies. I don't know who knows exactly how that happened, but it seemed like the bills didn't like losing control of that situation.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And, you know, the final topic. today. I was almost a little sheepish about bringing this up because, you know, my New York Jets, it took a beating on Monday's podcast. But people are very excited in this room, Mark, and Wes is actually foaming at the mouth right now to talk about Rex Ryan, who during his press conference today said that the Wildcat is not dead. The Jets are going to use more Wildcat in 2013. Yes, I did not say 2008. I said 2013. Wes, who has had such strong. opinionated thoughts on the matter that he ended up landing on a deadspin with a tweet that I will read right now Wildcat the rest of the league is playing chess and Rex is
Starting point is 00:22:33 over in the corner with his Lincoln logs just devastating Wes go ahead you have the floor destroy my team look I would never question Rex Ryan's knowledge about defense he might be the best defensive mind in the NFL but to me he kind of this is reminiscent of Lovie Smith stint with the Bears, where the offense continues to kill the team over and over again because the brass, the coaching staff, the front office, doesn't know anything about offensive football, and they're stuck in the past, and Rex Ryan is talking about the Wildcat. It cracks me up.
Starting point is 00:23:09 What's he going to do with the Wildcat? The rest of the league is running the read option in the pistol, and he's stuck on this fluke play from six years ago. I agree. I mean, when I read his full comments, well, because he's crew. Wes is correct, by the way. It looks like what he's talking about is the league shifting towards option-type play
Starting point is 00:23:30 because he talks about mobile players, mobile passers, getting out of the pocket and doing X, Y, and Z. But that didn't happen with the Wildcat at all in New York last year, and not many other teams outside of Jacksonville right now are even talking about the Wildcat on any level. So it's like he's pointing towards this bigger trend, but I don't want to assume he doesn't know the difference. He must.
Starting point is 00:23:50 He's a smart guy. a very smart guy so i'm just baffled by he's the smartest guy no but he i mean you don't get to this level without being smart but he's smart on the other side of the ball i don't think he should speak on this topic well i would just say this uh did the skinny tie come back yes or no you don't even know the answer that that speaks to a lot skinny skinny tie came back it's huge right now the wildcat will come back as well back in vogue wildcat 2013 new york jets didn't they say that Last year? I don't know. Listen, we got to move past last year.
Starting point is 00:24:23 The best example of a Wildcat in a Jets game was when the Niners rolled in with Kaepernick did a couple of Wildcat plays and thrash the Jets like, what, 34-0-0-0-0. I didn't realize that it left. Well, is that crazy that Sessler doesn't know that skinny ties are popular again? I don't think it's that crazy. Really? Yeah, I mean. Am I that fashion forward?
Starting point is 00:24:42 I didn't think so. Judging by I wear like the same shirt. I think you read one article about the skinny tie coming back and now you're pretending that this is something you know a lot. No, I judge everything on what Adam Rank wears in the newsroom, and rank has really, he's gone all in on the skinny tie. I stand by this, and I would love Twitter users to back me on this at the skinny tie's back. I mean, I like a nice skinny tie. I'm just saying, does that include the bolo?
Starting point is 00:25:06 Dan, you've taken us to a very dark and strange place. In the last five minutes, I'm just on an island, whether it's about Rex or the skinny tie. I mean, why have I been cast out of this podcast? Look at the topics you've chosen to defend. The Jets and Skinny Tots. You guys are monsters. Well, I will say this, in all seriousness, the only, the Wildcat maybe could have worked if they used Tim Tebow a little better.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Tony Spirano was the worst, period, just the worst on 17 levels. And every time Tebow went in the game, they ran it between the tackles. And, you know, how's it ever going to succeed if you don't balance out the passing with the running? If everyone knows you're going to do a run-up, the middle-up, every time but of course it's not going to be successful so we'll take gino smith who never ran the option never ran anything close to the wildcat and suddenly tell everyone he's going to do it i don't want to talk about this anymore let me have two more things when you look at the wildcat jog your memory from the past half decade and it all boils down to the one game where ronnie brown killed
Starting point is 00:26:11 the patriots yes it does and nothing else what else is a wildcat done except take up newspaper space Well, and it needs to be heavily running back-based, and who do the Jets have that you can count on it running back right now? You know, it's getting ugly. We've gone down a dark road on Dan's team here. No, it's okay. I mean, you're right about that, and I was, I'm a little curious, Mark, you brought it up downstairs. When Rex was talking about the Wildcat, did he think he was talking about the read option? That's what we were suggesting.
Starting point is 00:26:37 It's like, I don't want to say that because I'm sure that's he would never even feel that was the case, but he was talking to a larger trend that isn't happening in the Jets, and it's not happening in the wildest. Cat specifically. I get that. I think you might be on to something there. Maybe he's talking more about option plays generically and lumping the Wildcat in with that. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:58 But just the fact that he's using that word and no one else in the league is. That's the issue. Read a football magazine. Well, to me he's like the Don Coriol was kept out of the Hall of Fame and never won a Super Bowl because he didn't bother to get to know the defensive side of the ball. And he's the new Don Coriol. On the defensive side of the ball. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Not unlike his father. Wilk has glazed over behind the glass. So much Jets. There's nothing that Wilk hates more than talking about the Jets. We have talked about them Monday and now Wednesday. So we'll move on. Wilk, you literally look despondent. You almost look ashen.
Starting point is 00:27:38 The Jets just make me so crazy because I don't. They're like the Cowboys. Yeah. He had the same look on its face after. This team is like seven and nine at the best every year. Why are we talking about that? I'm like they're one of the premier teams in the league. You're preaching to the choir, and you have the same look on your face as you did after the
Starting point is 00:27:52 Vegemite incident. I do, yeah. You know, it's similar taste in my mouth, too. And, you know, Wilk is wearing a Chicago Bears polo. That's a team that's flying under the radar. Wilk, do you have any thoughts about the Bears? I don't, and nobody's talking about the Bears. Mark Tressman keeps bringing up doing Reed Option and things like that with Jay Cutler,
Starting point is 00:28:10 and I will defend Jay Cutler's mobility to an extent, but that still scares me, especially Imagine how many defensive players are just ready to light up Jay Cutler? We've seen how poorly the Bears do when Jay Cutler is not in that lineup. Yeah, but Tressman's not about to engage the team on something idiotic for 16 straight games. It's a good coach. I hope that you're right. I hope that you're right. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Trestman kind of gives me the creeps a little bit. Guys, I got to go. I got to go home. You got to go? I got to go. Why? It's time for me to go home. He doesn't.
Starting point is 00:28:46 like talking about the bears is the issue oh i see that's all right well mark's got to go he's got to get home to his young family uh who love him uh we will be back friday i think it will be mark and i solo will be like a a throwback to the old debate club days uh we will talk with greg rosenthal from canton so get excited about that mark's going to ask some hard-hitting questions for our boss i hear well i was there last year i know the territory and i want to make sure that gregg's covering all the bases, I'm sure he is. Good, and hopefully we're going to try to have another guest, too, but we won't know for another day or so.
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