NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL ATL: AFC East Roster Reset

Episode Date: April 11, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling -- resumes its comprehensive rankings of offseason moves across the NFL, continuing with the AFC East. Will the New England Patriots romp to a sixth consecutive division crown, or have their rivals done enough this offseason to catch up? As always, the gang runs through the latest and most pressing news around the league, including the two biggest stories out of Cleveland: the future of Browns center Alex Mack and the release of Kevin Costner’s latest film "Draft Day."Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. You know, we just did an opener here where I think the seventh grade version of Dan attempted to open the show and we had to start it over. Do we have to let the audience know every time I botched the open? I like to open the door. I'm going to get my revenge for that, Mark. Mark my words. Just making it real. I like when you keep it real.

tension raised in the studio 66 here no my voice cracked and it's because I'm ill and let me tell you something warrior right here came to work anyway Greg this is right up there with Michael Jordan's flu game how is everybody doing today great Friday it's quiet time of year it's terrific the gold standard welcome back behind the glass

thank you thanks for having me guys Do you want to try to drop a seduction Friday? I don't think you should, but... You don't think I should? That was a rhetorical question. Yeah, I was just saying because K. Rich did it in her visit last week. I'm feeling a little Friday-ish. Let's not do it, actually.

I immediately had regrets. Okay. It was all queued up. I know, I know. I'm sorry for getting your hopes up. That's all right. We have a full show today. Again, the football landscape, it might seem silent,

but there's no shortage of topics on the Around the League podcast. People have been tweeting at us. They've been enjoying these off-season saying they like the off-season podcast even more than the regular season. Yes, today is Friday, April 11th. This is the release of Draft Day. If you've watched NFL Network at all this week,

you are acutely aware of this fact. Mark and I did a write-up review-type thing that went up Thursday night, and we're going to talk about Draft Day a little bit. We're going to go back into our roster reset series, and check in on the AFC East and the NFC South, and we'll call up the great Kevin Patro to get his thoughts because he handled the NFC South for the Around the League page.

But before that, Gold Standard, why don't we do some news? Let's do it. Alex Mack signed his five-year $42 million offer sheet with the Jaguars, the Cleveland Brown Center under the transition tag. Now it's up to the Browns to match it. They have five days to decide whether or not they want to bring back the Pro Bowl Center. And according to Ian Rappaport, that is not a sure thing. The team has not made a decision on whether they will match the offer.

Sources in Cleveland indicate the team is, quote, really mulling it over. I see some communication between Greg and Mark who's going to start, and I'm just going to throw it out there and see who takes it. Well, what do you want? You want them to keep Mac. Right, Mark? I think so. I mean, it's a lot of money. You're not sure.

It's a lot of money. So you're not sure any center is worth it. Ross Tucker, who we've had on the POSCA, he made a written argument that no center is worth that money. I think for me what more is worth it is a player that, as Wes pointed out on the last show, has not missed a snap since 2009. Those kind of guys are hard to find.

I like, he's one of the few Browns that you could say from a durability angle, has that going for him. It's not the kind of guy you want to lose, but you know, listen, Cleveland took a risk with the transition tag, and this is, now they're paying the price. They don't have to pay too much of a price. They were going to pay him $10.5 million

this year. They'll pay him $18 million over the next two years, which is actually lowering the average salary, and he'll have a player option going into the third year. Without getting too deep into it, it doesn't seem onerous,

It seems like a contract they would match. They have the cap room, right? They do. And the one thing that I found, there's no poison pill in here, but the Jaguars and Max Camp did a nice job of putting in a no-trade clause because there was some whispers that what Cleveland might try to do is match and then get anything they could from the Jaguars by trading him back to Jacksonville at some point, which is a lot harder to do than it seems, but they covered their bases.

I thought that was for Max's benefit, but it's really for the Jaguars. benefit well i think it was if cleveland yes i think if cleveland were to match it's it's like you can't turn around and get something back from jacksonville they would lose out on mac but west give me a power rankings on the offensive line in terms of importance you have left tackle guards center where does the center factor in that in your opinion fifth out of five really yeah and that might explain some things why do you think that i think that because was players like Ross Tucker, who has played every position basically on the line. And really the interior, he came out, and the article Greg was referencing,

Tucker said it's common knowledge among all interior linemen that center is the easiest to play. And I think we've been reading that for a couple of decades now. It was in a more important position in the 70s and 80s, and I don't know enough about the history of the game to say why it was more important, but it was generally considered more important back then than it is now. And they took a look. There was a tweet the other day of the last five Super Bowl winners and the salaries of their centers,

and they were strikingly low. They were like $300,000 per year. Look at the Saints. They had a guy Brian De La Puente who held his own at Center the last couple of years. For a great offense. For a great offense. And they let him walk out the door, never tried to re-sign him. The Bears signed him for peanuts.

And the Saints just think they can plug anybody in there. Well, just like they let Jonathan Goodwin, their old center, walk away and didn't really care. Just figured they'll replace them. him with anyone. I think part of that is that Breeze is so good at pre-snap adjustments. And once the play happens, he's so good to get rid

of the ball quickly and buying extra time. He makes his offensive line look as good as any quarterback does. I think you've got your quarterbacks to call out line changes and line adjustments, your mannings. But I think the one advantage to not switching a center four times in a season or having to do

it every year is that consistency. The guy that just knows in his own division what he's seen from certain players. I mean, Mack did bring that, but I'm leaning towards, you know what? Listen, the guy doesn't want to be there anyways. Let him go. There he is. Well, they have until Wednesday to decide whether to match it.

And I hope they wait until Wednesday so that we can get Alex Mack into the program seven straight shows. You can't get enough of Alex. Your point is why I don't get the no trade part of it. If he doesn't want to be in Cleveland, why does he care if he's traded? And if the Jaguars won him that bad, why not give up a late-round draft pick? I think it prevents Cleveland from matching, is what I meant to say, because if you're Cleveland, you cannot trade Mack if you bring it back in. I get you. Okay.

This guy does not want to be here. Jacksonville really wants me, wants to go there. We could match and trade him back to Jacksonville for even something. Let me just jump in and just say that NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport reported Thursday night that there is no issue with Alex Mack not wanting to be in Cleveland. I know that's been reported. Maybe that's changed. Maybe it hasn't.

But Ian reported last night that that's not as big as an issue as many people see. Would any center have an issue making this much money? Right, and what's he going to do anyways? He, by all accounts, is a good teammate, a hard worker, a good player. If you're in Cleveland, you're going to make the best of it. And how hard could center be? That's actually on the tourism. That's always the tone of this team.

The chamber of comments. If you're stuck here, make the best of it. You are a factory of sadness. Oof. And how? I'm going to get you. How hard can Center be to play if Manny Ramirez, former baseball player, comes off the street and signs of the Broncos last year.

Not even a hard-working baseball player. He doesn't even work hard. It's just Manny being Manny. Yeah, idiot savant at center. Moving on, Bob Groats, I hope I'm pronouncing your last name correctly, Bob of the Delaware County Daily Times reported Wednesday night that the Eagles made an offer two months ago for Miami Dolphins, pass rush or Dion Jordan.

According to a league source, the Eagles attempted to pay. package a second round pick and linebacker, defensive end Brandon Graham in exchange for last year's number three overall pick. The deal didn't happen. I guess, you know, maybe something could happen down the line. And this is also just a report. We don't know how serious it is. But I can't, are the, I know there are reports about Dionne Jordan being on the trade block. Why would the dolphins give up on this guy so quickly? I know it's a prior regime, but there's a lot of skill, there's a lot of skill with this guy, right? What position does he play? Yeah. He sat the bench last year. Olivier Vernon, who plays the same position as Dion Jordan,

had a breakout year. Jordan, when he was coming out, was considered a better fit in a 3-4 defense as an outside linebacker. Now he's stuck in a 4-3, and they don't have a starting spot for him unless they release Philip Wheeler. And Philbin at the, in Orlando a couple weeks ago, he said, oh, we're going to, we're looking at,

we're going to fix his snap count, we're going to try to get, but they don't have a clear plan for him and they have an excess. That's on them. Well, it is on them, of course. but it's like they also seem like they got this guy they don't quite know how to use him but by the way They trade it up to get him. He's very similar to Jamie Collins

who the Patriots found a way to use a different sort of skill set a defensive lineman that's bigger and leaner and could go back in coverage every now and then but in-house seer Chris Wesleyan tweeted long before this report came out that this was a natural trade

target for the Eagles I mean and it obviously is for Chip Kelly but Wesleyan you You mentioned this ages ago. Well, I think he's best suited to the outside linebacker in a 3-4. So that was one of the reasons. And then the obvious connection that he played college ball under Chip Kelly. I like that the Eagles are sending out trade offers like the guy in your Keeper Fantasy League.

That it's not really a fair offer at all. But, hey, what could be the downside here? Maybe the new Dolphins regime doesn't really like Jordan. Well, let's just give it a shot. Why not give some chances? But if you're Philly, would you give up number 22? It sounds like the stakes are moving more. They didn't want the second rounder in Graham.

It's got to be maybe the first rounder. That feels expensive for... Well, didn't... The Browns basically set the trade table on this one. Number three overall pick one year equals a first round pick the next year when Trent Richardson was a third overall pick and they got a first round pick for him.

So it seems like the Dolphins would have to get a first round pick for Dionne George. If the Eagles gave up a first round pick, pick that seems like a fair trade yeah some quarterback news around the new york giants first up eli manning successfully always successfully the surgeries completed orthoscopic surgery on his left ankle on thursday afternoon uh the timetable has him out about six weeks uh which would get him back on his feet in mid may and in other news there's a report out there that josh freeman will work out for the Giants. Josh, obviously spent last year with the Bucks and then Vikings and has been unable to find a job to this point.

Well, the Giants coaches were so impressed with all the passes that Freeman completed to them on the sidelines. During the game, they just thought, wow, this guy's got some heat on his fastball. That's a great point, actually, because it actually, it's almost in lore now, if you follow the NFL closely, how bad Josh Freeman's one start as a Viking was. it's almost amazing that the team that that game came against and listen he was behind the eight ball which is people don't think about that the coaching staff in Minnesota unfairly kind of rushed him into the starting lineup when he wasn't ready and clearly his mechanics were already shot at that point but at the same time that the Giants that team that he played against would be the one

that host him that's kind of interesting before we came up to the studio I saw a report that the Giants were also kicking the tires on Matt Flint yeah yeah so What are the Packers doing? He signed Matt Flynn. He's perfect. Why? He's the perfect backup for the Packers. He's proven it twice now.

Set the bar higher. Yeah, I agree with Mark. What did he do wrong when he signed last year? Did you watch the first couple games he played? Matt Flynn? Yeah. Matt Flynn did the offense until the other team went into prevent mode. That was my problem with him.

If Josh Freeman had the physical makeup of, say, Colt McCoy, no one would take a look at him ever again. I think it's his size. his height that has teams thinking we can do we can fix this guy he was a starter for years by the way Josh Freeman was for a lot of reasons but it's a fact an effective NFL starter over the course of an entire season Colt McCoy let's not put him let's not put him in that category with a Matt Flitter of Cole McCoy he has shown he could be pretty useful maybe not the best quarterback in the league but you throw whatever that 2011 season was that

you know, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. My big takeaway from this whole discussion is nobody knows anything about the NFL draft. Remember last year when Doug Nassib was going to be the... Ryan Nassib. Ryan Nassib. I don't even know his name because the Giants got him apparently stuck in the third quarterback role. He was supposed to be the best quarterback in the draft class last year.

He was Greg Kosell's number two for months and months. According to several people, the best quarterback in the draft class, Giants don't even want him, apparently. Well, they also might have realized. with this Eli Manning surgery. Oh no, Curtis Painter and Ryan Nassib are the next guys on our list. Eli Manning has never missed a game in his NFL career. Maybe it reminded them and he's never had a surgery. This is really the first major injury for him

and maybe it got them thinking about life without Eli. By the way, Matt Flynn, not a perfect quarterback, but week 16, Packers come back from a 23-point deficit to beat the Cowboys in Dallas, throws four touchdown passes in the second half. A 37, 36 win. Listen, that's your backup. That game, you're right.

And you have to remember who was in before Aaron, after that guy came in. Is that performance predictive? Well, no, but he's proved. It's not. Well, nothing is. I mean. He's been okay for the Packers a few times. That's fair.

He doesn't have the arm. In his first outing in Green Bay, his first and second were a disaster. You're flirting with disaster if he's your backup quarterback and you're a contender. Freeman, by the way, is making a huge mistake if he doesn't go to the loving arms of Mark Trestman up in Chicago. It's perfect. Moving on. The Buffalo Bills have a famous suitor in, you know, the franchise is up for grabs potentially after Ralph Wilson passed away.

This is Kevin Patra's writing, Rocker, John Bon Jovi reportedly will be the face of a Toronto Rocker. John Bon Jovi reportedly will be the face of a Toronto-based group seeking to purchase the club. This is according to the Toronto Sun. All right. You're writing that post. What is your preface to John Bon Jovi? How would you label him? The handsome pop rocker, John Bon Jovi.

Let's go around the room with this one. This is the most depressing story I've read in years. Because you can sing into a microphone. You make enough money in this country to then buy a multi-hundreds of millions of dollars football team. Is this related to Gloria Estefan in your world? I don't know. It's just depressing. that these are the people that make so much money

they can buy football teams. John Ben Jovi has a lot of money. He doesn't have enough money to buy an NFL team. He'll be closer to the Gloria Estefan, Venus, and Serena Williams is like, you know, 1% celebrity ownership. He's not going to be a huge part of it. One of Bill Belichick's best friends. For going back decades.

How dare he then go inside the division and try to take on Belichick. See, that's a Belichick move. Take an AFC's team. number one, displace them out of the United States and then dissolve them from the inside out. John Bon Jovi, I'm dispatching you to do that. Also, Rocker. You're not giving nearly enough credit to his days

with the Philadelphia Soul right now. That's true. It's a great job there. Here's as someone that grew up in the region, I could tell you there might be heat here too. John Bon Jovi bought a New York-based team, a New Jersey guy, always a lot of heat between those two states and said, not only am I buying this team,

I'm taking them out of the U.S. that's quite a shot at New York. Does he plan on taking them out of the United States? That's the plan with this group. Who it's in Toronto, potentially. Wait, this coming on the heels of Toronto and the NFL deciding this one time a season game

didn't work this time. We're going to do it next year. It's a little confusing. Judy Batista spoke about it at the annual meetings with me that this Rogers communication. They really want to get the bills, basically. They want to get a team and they want them in Toronto. And yet, I don't, it doesn't

seem like that That's lame It's got to work Toronto already has a team The organauts And the bills have been in Buffalo For 50 years Keep them there

I agree I agree 100% Raise your hand Or speak out loud For the purposes Of the audio portion of the podcast Which is the entirety

Of the podcast If you own a Bon Jovi album Currently Stop Ever No one Ever yes Just asking

I could ask It was I had a girlfriend In like Fifth or sixth grade Where that was our How many did you have a job, Dan? Shock is the heart?

I don't have a single Bon Jovi album. But have you did in the past? Never, no. You were driving around in your Subaru in 1998. Ford Escort. Dan's too young for albums. No, I was a Springsteen guy, so you kind of looked down on Jovi. What is the crucial Bon Jovi song?

I'll go around the room right now. If you had to pick one, come on, let's not be a snob about this. Living on a prayer? Yes. Mark. I'd have to echo that. Greg. I'm going to go with.

It's My Life. Wow, the comeback jam. Well, because it's the worst song ever, and it was always played. And it's always like, hey, here's Bon Jovi's new song. He's still great, but it's terrible. And by now that's 15 years old, too. I like how Richie Sambora got the chance to do that whistling into the tube effect next to his mic and brought that into the mainstream in the millennium.

Living on a Prayer was the best song. I like Lay Your Hands on Me. That's an old jam. Gold Standard behind the glass. Did he do want to? dead or alive? Yes. I like that too.

That was a good one. That was the intro to, what was the... Young Guns. Young Guns, too. Also, the deadliest catch. Yes. Another option would have been bad medicine. Your love is like bad medicine.

Bad medicine is what I need. Well, little do you know that Bob Dylan actually wrote that song so John Bovich. Dan, did you know that living on a prayer? When that song came out, it was not as big as shot through the heart. Right. Shot Through the Heart was always a little overrated to me. Living on a Prayer was like his born to run. Living on a prayer got more famous like a generation later.

They were both huge, though. They were, yeah, they were huge. But Shot Through the Heart was the first song that put them on the map. Well, they're not, he's not getting the bills. He's not getting the bills. We were a little young for that. I was a little, I had to, but I was not my cup of tea. He had reached a zenith by about 89 or so, and that a little before Greg and I's time is music lovers.

And if you guys weren't in, we know Gold Standard wasn't buying the Keep the Faith album. If Bon Jovi was a pair of jeans, they would be acid-washed. That is correct. Final thought. Maybe that's what you should eat this year. A pair of acid-washed jeans. I don't think it's a good idea to eat acid. How about it?

The scientist speaks. If Bon Jovi buys the bills and moves them to Toronto, will you eat acid-washed jeans, Chris Wesley? No. They should be forced to. The people of Toronto? No, the ownership group. Oh, I see. Gotcha.

Oh, like that's the last stipulation in the contract? That would be basically... And then they all die and then they stay in Buffalo. That would basically be what it would be like for Bill's fans. Yeah. If that happened. All right, moving on draft day, starring Kevin Costner and Jennifer Gardner out Friday. Mark Sessler and I wrote up a review.

I would call it a middling review of the film. Maybe not that our writing, but... in terms of what we thought about the movie. Possibly both. I would say B minus we settled on. Wes, what were your thoughts about the movie? You were in the theater with us. Greg chose not to join us, famously.

I already forget much of the movie. But that's not to say it wasn't entertaining. Mark and I went to happy hour before the movie. I think we were there for an hour, hour and a half. Yeah. Went to the movie, and neither of us got up once during the whole film. which shows you that it was enough to keep our attention and I think

I was thinking about getting up for an hour but it just pulled me in so that's my review it kept your mind off of more pressing in normal cases matters so that's something well I think Dan and I also talked about like going into it my expectations were low

I'm not expecting this film to recreate cinema or you know solve some of the world's issues and it didn't what are you talking about I saw your review That's true. It was basically a mix year between Casablanca and Citizen King. Well, no, but yeah.

Let's talk about that. I'll learn not to do that again. Let's put that way. Full of heart from start to finish. Delivers on the great tension of the NFL draft whilst showing how human the entire process is. Well, now hold on. Mark Sessler, NFL.com, around the.

league. That's the banner ad running across the home page. Where's the music from? When did Mark become Belgium? What was that? That was the reviewer. I asked the Gold Center to deliver me some background music with emotional heft. That was a great description.

I thought that was Dances with Wolves potentially. Mark, do you want to explain that? You were quoted by their promotional team. I will explain it. The process was when I was on my vacation, I found out I had like 20 minutes to do this. I was late on delivering it and wrote it. while tending to my two toddlers. So, but nonetheless, I sort of stand by what I wrote

because I do think the film had a fair amount of heart. That's what I had going for it much more than, there's a lot of stuff in terms of the technical wheeling and dealing of the draft day scenarios that was absurd. Some of the ways the teams would negotiate and how Costa didn't even know the name of a fellow GM, that stuff rang absurd to me. Right. A lot of background information to keep us involved.

And it did show. I thought it showed some of the name. of the human stuff, like the Jacksonville GM, for instance, who was a bumbling, sweating idiot. That's sort of what I meant. They put some of my words together, and that's fine, but I stand by that. I was eternally vigilant while I was watching the movie, waiting just to jump over some scene that really wouldn't happen in the NFL, and for the most part, I thought it rang pretty true. Well, what about when Dennis Leary lit a draft analyst guide on fire and threw it on Costner's desk?

That actually happened. Dick Geron in 2000. What about when the Pro Bowl incumbent quarterback went into the general manager's office and completely trashed it in a rage when he found out that they were going to take the quarterback number one? By the way, Belichick read this from beginning to end and gave his notes and said...

Some version. You couldn't see like Ryan Leif doing that? I guess you're right. I have a quote also. If we run that music back, if they want to use it, I'm going to throw it out there. Draft Day. Definitely not Kevin Costner's sports movie version of Waterworld,

Don Hansis, NFL.com. What accent was that? What kind of human being voices? Changed three times within three sentences. That was like C-3PO with like a wireless. Is that what Esperanto sounds like? It's a really bad actor at Game of Thrones,

a guy that can't hold an accent and has no level. Speaking of acting, Arian Foster had a genuinely moving moment in the film in the third act, which he wasn't terrible. No. He did he, terrible. Aryan Foster plays like an 18-year-old or something. He does.

He does. He's really, like, 30 almost. Yeah, but he doesn't look too old. He's not like, I don't know, give me an example of a young guy that comes in that looks like he's 30. James Vanderbeek? Yeah, well, I guess James Vanderbueke and Varsity Blues is a good example. Yeah, I think Foster just kind of makes the cut.

Timothy Riggins. Better actor. Aryan Foster or Jesus Shuttleworth, a.k.a. Ray Allen, I thought, was genuinely okayish. Well, wasn't Ray Allen asked to do a lot more than How about Bernard King and Fast Break? Oh, that's really showing my age. You have to reference that. And I've noticed that the reviews, for the most part,

have kind of been in the same boat as us. There was, I knew there was going to be the obligatory review that just destroys the film and basically positions the NFL is an evil conglomerate. That was some slate review, which I read, which was kind of silly to me, is an okay movie. Overall, it's getting decent reviews. Yeah, if you like football, you'll probably enjoy it. Yeah, I mean, good job, Slate.

Way to take a stand. The same stand you've been taking for a decade and a half now. I know. It's like, cool cigarette, bro. All right. Moving on. Slate heat on the little program. It's back and forth.

I like it. That's a meet, and I am not an NFL shill, but that was my immediate thought when I watched the movie is this is going to be an easy target for the blogger out there to write. We're not smart. We're not smart enough to argue with Slate. The NFL, this is an NFL commercial in 120-minute form, and that was the outlet that went with it. But for the most part, I found that the reviews have been okay. It's a C-plus B-minus movie.

We should have Slate on the show. Continue this draft day conversation for weeks more. I think I understand Slate's few points. That would be the first time that we'd be better dressed than the guest. Greg, will you go see this in the theater? No. You got a chance to see it for free With all this and he passed

Only if they cordon off a parking spot Right in front of the theater Just for him I mean I have a child It's different You really got to Pick and choose Where you're going to see a movie

So no I would not All right So I'm going to pass around a piece of paper Thank you Gold Center For reminding me Whether we'll talk about this more Let's play a little game We're all going to guess

The Box Office Gross 4 draft day this upcoming weekend. The closest without going over. And wait, don't write down next. I have a little information I want everyone to have. And whoever comes closest without going over gets a free dinner and drinks at our next ATL outing.

Let me just give you a couple little bits of information. The last two, Kossner put out two movies this year. Jack Ryan's Shadow Recruit made 15-4 opening weekend. Three Days to Kill, made 12.2. Those are both bus. So just keep that in mind. That's where he's been in his first two movies. Thrilling podcast material here as we're writing down numbers.

People are hanging on the edge of their seats. Let's get closer to. Let's do like, let's say, 30.7. Let's go points so we can break ties. All right, let's put it in Wes's his hat. No, well, you have to wear your hat. All right, here we go. Wait, how do I know who's this who's?

I put my name on my mind. Put it in this fluorescent green drinking glass. All right. Should we hold on to these until, should we not look at them? Or should we share them now? Let's announce. All right, let's see. Wes had $11 billion, and they crossed it out, $22.2 million.

All right, Wes is done. On the high end. That would be a surprise hit. Oh, that'd be troubling. Well, Wes has seen it. He has a reference point. I have no idea what a movie typically. Marks Sessler, 18.8 million.

18.8. Mark's out. It's down to two. Those two are not even close. Greg Rosenthal. 9.9 million, just missing the 10 million marker. I thought you said the 15.2 was it... You said, don't go over.

So that was, you know, I was worried about... I thought you said the one that was a bust. Got 15 million. Shadow recruit made how much? 15, but that's a much... Come on. But that's a much better... That's like a...

Greg, you've overthought it. And finally... Greg apparently has this down to a science. I have mine at 12.7 million. Oh, I'm liking this. So... I'm liking this. In summation.

Greg 9.9, Dan 12.7, Sessler, 18.88, and West 22.2. So we'll come back on Monday, and we will find out who came closest and who's getting drinks and food for free. Wes and are going to be saving our money. Whoever wins, the three other guys pay for the drinks. I did not agree to these terms. You better win, then. I don't think that's possible, according to Mr. Movie over here. Ooh.

I do like reading the box office guru every week for the last 20 years or whatever it is. So it would be an utter insult if Wes nails this, having not even known how opening box offices work, according to your words. And you know Wes is going to win now. I mean, who knows? These things are inherently impossible to predict. That would just be a big, happy surprise for the Costner movie career if he got a number like that. Wesleying is a seer.

It is full of hard from start to finish. That's true. I've heard that. And, you know, Costner needs this. That's a lot to do. A lot of motivation. Does he need like another wing on his Malibu House? His third Malibu House? All right, let's move forward. Rast to Reset time. We got two more today. We will start. Who do we want to start with? Do we want to go Kevin Patra first or second? Let's do them last. All right. We'll start with the AFC East. I wrote this one up yesterday or over the course of the week. It will break down the four teams. this is what we've been doing. We kind of go over what these teams within the division did

over the offseason to this point and how the division is looking. AFC East to me, and I welcome anyone to jump in, is still Patriots country, and it has been for many years now. And I don't think I didn't see anything in the off season to tell me that the Patriots aren't going to be that team again. And the biggest thing to me, it's obvious, but Dorel Revis. This was a signing to me that completely changes their defense potentially. I think they get him at the perfect time one full year after the ACL injury.

He's a great fit for Bill Belichick's defense much better than he was in Tampa. And to me, if Revis is the guy that he was with the Jets, then I think the Patriots defense is much better. And as long as Tom Brady is still Tom Brady and stays healthy, I think this is going to be another long season for the Jets' Dolphins. and bills, despite gains being made by at least two of those teams. So not only were the Patriots winning this division rather easily last year, you believe they're the most improved team in the offseason as well.

Yeah, I didn't think that... The gap is widening. I think, and I guess maybe I'm not afraid to potentially overvalue what Revis could bring to a team, and being a Jets fan, I saw how special he was before he hurt his knee. and I just get the feeling like I would not be surprised and I don't think anybody should be surprised if Revis in his age 28 season or 29 season fully healthy just has an amazing year

and gets exactly the setup he wanted once he voids that contract and it works out for everybody involved including the Patriots. I think it's become an arms race not with the Patriots and the Jets anymore but with the Patriots and the Broncos and that was the move that kept them

neck and neck with the Broncos. Sessler, do you believe the Patriots are better after this offseason. They did lose a few people, Brandon Spikes, Lagaret Blunt, Akib Talib. Really, Revis is the main edition, and they re-signed Edelman. They brought in Lafell Browner.

Brandon Browner? I'm not that excited with it. I don't think losing Spikes is a huge issue for them. It might be a game. Jamie Collins plays more. Yeah, and I think that Revis is an upgrade over Taleb. I mean, that's, you know, Taleb did a nice job with them. Yeah, I don't have, I don't struggle with it.

I think the Jets, though, did a lot to improve themselves. So that's, I put them close to some degree. Oh, by the way, the most dominant position player in the NFL is coming back from an injury for the Patriots. Rob Bernkowski. I thought you were going Vince Wilford there. No, I'm kidding. At this point. But that is a good point that they're improving.

They had a lot of injuries last year at key spots. Yeah, I mean, the things that you look at with this team is, you know, two years ago, they were the envy of the league at tight end. And now they seem to, that might be a position at the draft where they need to upgrade. You have Gronk coming back from not just the regular knee injury. It was a really bad. It wasn't Dustin Keller knee injury, but it was still ACL, MCL, blown out. And this is a guy that's had issues with his health.

He's back, but you can't, it can be fairly questioned if he's a guy that can stay on the field for 16 games now. And, you know, with Aaron Hernandez, is obviously out of the picture. They could use another guy to be like the move tight end. Daniels was someone they pursued, but that didn't work out. He signed with the Ravens, so they need some depth there. Their linebacking crew is very solid. You have Mayo, Hightower, and Collins. No other depth on the roster there.

They don't have anybody with a start behind those guys, so they're very susceptible if they get hit with the injury bug. And then Blunt, Laguerre Blunt, was a guy that was a stud down the stretch for them. I get why they didn't bring him back because he's been kind of a elusive talent over the years. but I don't know if they're going to be looking to add another guy to the mix with Vareen and Ridley there. I don't know. What do you guys think about Shane Vreen and Stephen Ridley? Plenty good enough.

Yeah, and Vareen, you know, I think their offense, they were able to do things that they couldn't when Vareen came back. He is a guy you can line up out wide. He's extremely good at catching the ball, the backfield. So, you know, Blunt, not a luxury, but I think they'll be fine with it. They'll be fine and find a way to move on without him.

Jets fans in the media especially don't seem thrilled with their offseason, but they dramatically upgraded two spots they absolutely need to with Michael Vick and Eric Decker. To me, those were good signings. Think about what the upgrade is, too. It's Michael Vick over David Gerard, who has knees in theory only at this point. And then you have Eric Decker, who maybe you could argue is more a 1A or a great number two, but the upgrade from him over Santonio Holmes is gargantuan as well.

So that was, you know, for all the heat that the glacial, sure John Idzik is getting those are big signings that made the team better do I do I think that's enough to to make them a neck-and-neck team with the Patriots I don't think they're there yet but I think if they would have gotten the cornerback and I think they probably should have really thought hard or harder about bringing back Revis and then not getting a Dominic rogers comardi that kind of put a little stink on their offseason to me because now they might have to use the draft again to get a cornerback, which they've done three times in five years, and they really should be focusing on skill players on offense at the top of the draft,

but I don't know if they could do that anymore because putting D. Milner as the number one cornerback on this team is asking for disaster. There's been a lot of – if you watch a Jets closer, there's been a lot of talk about how Milner made a lot of progress down the stretch, but that maybe was a little overblown. He got lucky on some plays or he got burned, and there was drop passes or an overthrow. He did get better as the season went along, but to – think that he is now on the right track it's too early to say i like the idea of a chris and chris backfield chris johnson and chris ivory the jets are in the mix at the right price we're hearing

they'll bring him in we've talked about that a lot on this podcast i think that helps that team a lot but yeah i think they just need to add playmakers they can't settle on decker and even if they got chris johnson i still think that number one pick should be a wide receiver what do we think of the the hickster made the biggest financial move in this division I guess the biggest move this entire off season. We haven't even mentioned it. Brandon Albert, highest paid player, right? Albert, yeah, I mean, this is the offensive line with the Dolphins was not only a weak point for the team week to week,

but it was also a source of huge embarrassment. But now you bring in Brandon Albert, you put him on the left side, you give Ryan Tannahill an actual replacement to Jake Long, which you didn't have last year. You know, they still have work to do on that line, though. and I think that the draft is where they'll continue to get better. Brought back Brent Grimes, brought back Starks, signed Moreno as kind of a rotational guy. I like that. And I think Moreno, yeah, Wes, we've talked about it.

Lamar Miller is somebody that the dolphins internally have never trusted, it seems. And Moreno is also a guy who is an all-around back and also a plus blocker, pass protector, which Ryan Tannohill sacked 58 times last year, and that simply can't fly. If you want him to get better and you want him to continue to progress, you need to get better protection around the guy and Moreno is a guy that's a sneaky,

big addition in terms of helping handle that. Yeah, I think Miller and Marino are a good combo because Marino does everything well that Miller kind of lacks the fundamentals of the position and what Marino lacks speed, Miller has in spades. So I think they complement each other pretty well. It's certainly an upgrade over Daniel Thomas who is just tough to watch, I think.

You don't have to watch him anymore. You never know. He's my boy as much as Cortland Finnegan's your boy. That's all I'm saying. We don't want to even bring up Finnegan's name anymore for fear that he might come after Mark. Listen, he and I are, we have made our amends. I'm cool.

I said he's a potential bounceback guy. Great, dude. My value. Bang, he loves me. Everybody loves Dan. Dan's like, I see a conflict over here, so I'm going to jump in and look really good to one of these two people,

then walk away, get a cup of coffee. The Raiders love me. You know who doesn't love? Antonio Carmardi doesn't like me. He called me a liar on Twitter a few months back. I forgot to mention that. Accurate. It's not all love.

Yeah, it's fair. The Buffalo Bills, I have fourth. I mean, I don't think the Bills had a dreadful off season, but it was kind of a little ho-hum, and for a team that has been ho-hum for too long now, maybe it would have been nicer if they did something bigger. They obviously lost Geris Byrd. J.I.

Reir's Bair. You know, they bring back They add Corey Graham He was a nice slot guy With the Ravens last year He might see some safety looks And they also extended Aaron Williams So but the secondary

Obviously took a big hit there And the other, I guess You know Brandon Spikes I thought was a good signing Good run stuffer Greg You're not as high on him I know Wes No I love Brandon Spike

You do like him I love Brandon Spike Who doesn't like him? Oh Wes you didn't like him that much right I like him I just think he's silly for predicting wins over the Patriots. Yeah, I like what they did. They took some short-term gamble spikes.

I mean, the biggest move, the biggest high-acting move is Mike Williams. I like that move. They give up a late-round pick. They don't have to pay him much money. He improves what should be an interesting offense. I would argue that Buffalo, not in terms of how many moves they made, but they might be the team that can give the Patriots. some heat, but there's one big issue if that quarterback position might be the one weak spot.

Yeah, I found it very strange at the scouting combine. I would have liked for them to go out and maybe go hard after Michael Vick or got somebody in there that could truly push E.J. Manuel in his second year. Instead, Doug Wellie doubled down at the combine and said that the team was all in, not just on Manuel, but also on Thad Lewis, Dennis Dixon, and Jeff Toole, which is all the QBs on the roster. so it doesn't sound like they're going to do anything but put the franchise in manual's hands of seasons where i guess you got to do it he was a first round pick last year but a lot you know

more questions than answers in his rookie year mike williams i don't know i know that seems like on paper i'm not as thrilled about it i kind of see it as something that we'll forget about by october and he'll have 14 catches by week six i don't see him as an impact guy he didn't he had some nice games with the bucks that's for sure i mean he got a 40 million dollar contract last year i know he's had it. But I don't know. I don't know if that guy's head is on straight to actually become an impact player. And going home is a bit of a weird move, too. We do key arrivals and key departures as part of our roster reset series, NFL.com, backslash roster reset. How about that? And, you know, one of the persons you could have

put under key departures, probably the biggest one is Mike Patton. So we don't know if this defense is going to be as good as it was last year, because it looked like it should be one of the best, most talented defenses in the league in 2014. Maybe it doesn't matter, and they're fine with Jim Schwartz, and they'll be a top five group. Because if they had Mike Patton and that defense, I would think this is a sneaky playoff type of team. Right, moving on, we were going to do the roster reset of the NFC South today and get

Kevin Patcher on the phone, but I feel like, you know, we're up against it on time a little bit. We don't want to go too far over. He just got Matt Damon. He got Matt Damon a little bit, Kevin Patrick coming at you, but we want to give him his correct amount of time. So we'll talk to Kevin on Monday and go over the NFC South

because there's a lot to get to in that division. I think Kevin will be okay with that, right? You don't want to get on Kevin's bad side. You don't. Actually, that's a question I want to ask Kevin next time we talk to him. I feel like he's a guy that's been in fights before. Oh, definitely.

Verbly at least. No, physical brawn. All right, let's get out of here. Chris Wessling wrote an excellent think piece, a nuanced take on Matt Schaub and obviously the Raiders are all in on Matt Schaub however Chris Wessling says that's a foolhardy thought

well the inspiration for this was basically Dennis Allen coming out and comparing Shob to Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning and then Maurice Jones Drew saying Shob can take us to the Super Bowl a quarterback who's won one career playoff game against a Bengals team that barely showed up and Kurt Warner basically saying this was a steal for the Raiders and that Shob is still

a top flight starter and everything these people are saying goes against everything Matt Schaub has put on film since Thanksgiving of the 2012 season. So I wanted to go back and see what happened to Shab. Is there some kind of injury? Why did he lose confidence in his arm? Why is he no longer throwing down the field? Why is he checking down constantly? And I noticed a different quarterback after Thanksgiving of 2012 and I think that pick six string happened because defenses had an offseason to study and they saw a guy who was doing his play actions and his rollouts and throwing to his fullback throwing sideways to the sideline instead of challenging defenses down the field and almost all of his pick sixes came on outroutes where cornerbacks were

just sitting on the route knowing he wasn't going to test him deep I think this is a guy who's been beaten and battered and has missed more games than just about any starting quarterback of his era. Liz Frank surgery, shoulder surgeries, rib injuries, knee injuries, ankle injuries, concussions, and I think he just doesn't have it anymore. Wes really got in depth on this. We have, you know, the entire injury history. You even get into other established starting quarterbacks in the past that have been benched and the aftermath after that. Really good take, so we highly suggest that you check that out on the Around the League page. Wes compares Shab to a punch-drunk boxer who still sees opening

but can no longer exploit the sucker for a left hook. Shell-shocked signal callers ultimately suffer from that split second when they stop pulling the trigger on an open window. I mean... You're not going to read that, society? You're going to read it. Well, and this, of all the things that Chris has written over his time with us, like this is my favorite piece because the point that I think you hammer home

with the chart of the quarterbacks that once they were benched and they're in that 30-something range, the stark future for all of them, the lack of success, that how quickly these one-time stars totally vanish. This goes back 20 years and Kurt Warner is the only example I could find of somebody who was benched after an accomplished career and went on to find success with another team. And I even went back 50 or 60 years and couldn't find anyone else.

Right. So to translate that for all the Raiders fans out there that might want to respond, Chris thinks shop stinks and we hate your team. But you also note that the Raiders, maybe they don't believe in them as much as they say because of the contract they gave them. Yeah, I think the contract was smart,

but it's kind of, disingenuous to promote him as the answer and then give him that contract. And Raiders fans, I'm on your side. Dan, that is outrageous. I've only blocked like four today so far. All right, that's it. Wes, you had a shout out, right? Oh, yeah.

Loyal listener, Damien Pittam, getting married today. International listener. Scott. Yeah. International listener, you guys have any advice for him? I can't give any because I don't, I'm not married. This is a dangerous precedent. We're soon going to be wishing kids' birthdays.

You know, be a good guy. Don't be a bad guy. That's my advice. I'd echo that. All right. Congratulations, buddy. What's his name, Damien? Damien.

Congratulations. All right. We're out of here. Keep submitting your money tags, by the way. Great ones coming in. They continue to come in. Hashtag, what is it, Gold Center? Hashtag money tags.

That makes sense. It's logical. So we're loving that. On Monday, we'll be back. We're going to go over the NFC South with Kevin Patcher. We're going to check in on the box office tally of Draft Day. Hold on to your hats. I don't even know how you're going to sleep this weekend.

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