NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL ATL: Draft news, who's lying?

Episode Date: April 30, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- runs through the latest NFL Draft headlines.  Who’s trading up?  Who’s trading down?  Who’s lying?  There’s only one place to find out -- and that’s this latest installment of the "Around the League Podcast."Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. How are you, buddy? Eight days, Mark. Eight days away from the draft. It's coming. I think they're not going to push it back any further. So I'm pretty sure eight days away we are now. What if there's another show at Radio City?

Oh, that's true. Some sort of dancing Santas or something. It was actually, I think, dancing Easter bunnies. The whole reason we're told is that The draft had to be pushed into May because of scheduling conflict at New York's Radio City Music Hall. It was their first. As a child, I went to several times. I went to the Christmas Spectacular at Radio City Music Hall, which was for a boy, you know, a pretty tough thing to sit through for an hour and a half.

But there was the Rockettes at the end and your dad was into that. So you were a little like, why, like what's going on with this? They tried to capitalize on the popularity of the Christmas spectacular by hosting an Easter special. spectacular for the first time ever in 2014 canceled due to lack of interest. And that's why this draft is in May. That is up there with a time as a youth when I was supposed to go to Ringling Barnman Brothers Circus, whatever it's called. Could not. As a child, you could not drum up a loftier event right in the heart of the city.

John Lennon shot. All the roads shut down. You are. Could not go in. December 1980. Right. I was born in 70. So I was seven years old.

That's kind of grim. Just shame John Lennon's death ruined your circus. Life? Yeah, right? Well, I'm not angling it that way. It sounds very selfish the way I put that. I want to, since you brought up the circus, I want to say I was ahead of the curve in being afraid of clowns.

I feared those monsters before Stephen King's It, before Pee Wee's Big Adventure. I don't buy into this whole afraid of clowns thing. Nobody was ever afraid of clowns until the Seinfeld episode, and then everyone was afraid of clowns. I don't even know what episode you're referring to. Mike Floreo? I've always had a healthy fear of clowns ever since I saw one of the most classic horror movies when I was about eight or nine years old, killer clowns from outer space. Oh.

Oh, that was me, actually. That's how I got scared of clowns. By the way, poltergeist. I couldn't even watch it. None of you have seen poltergeist. No. I don't watch scary. There is a critical scene early on where a clown suggests.

that this film is about to go off the rails. Just like a podcast. I don't watch scary movies for the same reason I don't go on roller coasters. Why is that, Wes? Well, I give yourself a bad feeling on purpose. You are so dogmatic. Why not just cross the boundaries? Live, Wes.

Life is full of enough bad feelings. Why impose them on myself? By the way, purpose. I'm kind of in with you, like, things like the torture porn type movies, like... What? Jigsaw and saw and all those types of things. Torture porn. Yeah, well, that's a term.

Oh. In the industry. I'm with you on roller coasters, 100%. Roller Coasters I'm all in on. I mean, it's the exhilaration that comes with the fear. It's preying on the human condition. You get my jollies elsewhere. All right.

Well, let's get them right here. How about we talk some football? The NFL draft, as we've discussed, eight days away, we're going to talk about, what are we going to get into today? We're going to talk about the news surrounding the NFL heading toward the draft. That makes sense. That's logical. We're also going to get into some, you know, there's some, a lot of talk.

obviously, about where teams are, what teams are going to do. Journalists are asking different general managers and coaches about the intentions as these teams are entering the draft. And you have to answer them, but how are these coaches and general managers are answering these questions? We're going to delve into that a little bit, whether we buy into it or not. Gold standard behind the glass, how are you? Doing smashing. Thank you. Wow. You really are from England.

I wanted to throw it in for the international listeners. Yes, and people love that. Your fear of clowns, one to ten. Pretty low on the list, actually. I'd say three. All right. We'll get a VHS cassette of killer clowns from outer space and see how you feel after that. Dude, the clockwork orange thing with my eyes.

Oh, wow. See, the killer clowns from outer space, though, was a little kind of tongue-in-cheek horror. Whereas it, if you were a 10-year-old kid that saw it, that messed you up. I remember not being able to sleep that night. It's a terrible TV movie, by the way, starring John Ritter. It was like an eight-part series. It has cultural cachet because of what is his name, the English actor that played him.

Cultural cachet? It does. It does. Pennywise was the clown played by some actor. It's going to kill me that I can't think of it. Anyway. You said the terms known in the industry and cultural cachet in the last couple of minutes. The actor's Tim Curry.

Tim Curry, thank you very much. From, uh, National Ampoons Loaded Weapon One. Is that what you were going to say? Tim Curry was the guy from, uh, What's the really bad 1970s, Rocky Horror Picture Show? Yes. Dr. Frankenfurter.

God, that's the worst movie ever. All right, Man of Steel is the worst movie ever. But Rocky Horror Picture Show is like right there with it. Goldstander doing some midnight showings, I would imagine, of that film? Quick Wikipedia, actually. Very good. All right. Let's do some news, Gold Standard.

Let's do it. All right, so there's a lot of speculation about Johnny Football, Johnny Mansell, where he can go in the draft. We actually talked about it. at length on Monday's podcast about, you know, the possibility that maybe he even drifts into the middle of the first round where the Cowboys and Jerry Jones would potentially be tempted. We have a report here from college football 24-7 on our own site that Johnny Football is unlikely to fall out of the top 10, several teams say this reporting is from Ian Rappaport, who said on total access, from everyone I'm talking to, including several teams in the top

10. Everyone would be surprised if he actually does fall out of the top 10. Where would he go? He could go to the Bucks at 7. He could go to the Vikings at 8. No one wants to rule out the Jaguars at 3 or the Browns at 4. That's how much love this guy gets. So I guess if we're going to buy into that, all this talk about Mansell drifting into the late first round is kind of insane. John McLean just said that he thinks that the number one pick is between Manzell and Clowney. That is the Houston Chronicles. And he is held to that Mansell name in that spot for weeks and be surprised if Manzell went number one or number five or number ten. I think we'd be surprised if he goes low.

Yeah. Like way low in the draft. Right. Yeah, I had a conversation today and people were saying, well, they're going to either take Clowny or they'll trade out of the spot. And it was just said as this factual statement that there's no way they could take Sammy Watkins. And there's no way they could take one of the tackle. There's zero per chance, zero percent chance. But we don't know that.

We don't know anything. More surprising things happen every year. There wasn't a single person saying that Mario Williams was going to be the number one pick at this point of that draft. And I think that trading out is a lot harder than people think. It's not something you just do because you want to. It's easier now because of the pay structure of these rookies, but you're right. It's like someone's going to have to want what they have to give up picks-wise to get that player number one. And that's why Dan's bold prediction is not going to come true because 16 is a long way down.

And maybe it's easier to trade up, but it's not easy for the Cowboys considering all their needs. They're not going to be able to move up from 16 to a position where I think they could take one of the top. Here, real quick, though, this is why Ian's report makes sense. By the way, Mark has so much paperwork in front of him, including a piece of paper that he printed up that has the draft order. You're the most prepared co-host I've ever seen. For this story specifically. It's a good thing I don't. The difference between Sessler and Greg.

Greg has some type of date book open. I don't even think it's podcast-related. And Sessler has an entire ream of paper filled with information. That is concerning. That is a blank date book. Not only that. It's from 2013. Is that a journal?

It's just a piece. I like to have a scrap piece of paper if I want to write anything down. So it doesn't matter. All right. All right. Go ahead. No, no. But just you look at the quarterback, needy teams potentially.

Houston. St. Louis has been talked about being in the. They're working out Johnny football today. Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa, Minnesota, Buffalo. That's Buffalo, even, I am not sold, does not take a quarterback. If the one they quietly aren't telling us they like is sitting there, that's everyone but two teams. And Titans?

I'd be... Well, that's further down the West. We're talking about the top ten. I mean, I'd be shocked if Johnny football goes past ten. So, Mark, it's too exciting. In summation, I know we've seen, I think Evan Silva of Roto World had a mock that had the Brown's getting a wide receiver at four and then getting Johnny football at the end of the first round. None of that's happening.

No. And you know how I feel, Mark, about Johnny football and the Cleveland Browns. If you want him, you've got to go get him at four. I think there's too many, and I'm not saying that owners jump in and cause waves here, but there's too many owners that know how much this would mean for your franchise to bring a guy like Johnny football in. Suddenly, you're on the radar for television. You've got a jersey that shoots through the roof. It can change your organization if he works out.

Totally agree. that's a factor. I don't know if it's deciding factor, but owners will be heard on this issue. All right, moving on, let's stick with quarterbacks. A.J. McCarran, Alabama quarterback, who had a great deal of success at the college level, believes that, you know, a lot of...

He's been tagged as a guy that could end up being a mid-round, second-to-fourth-round-type pick, but he told the Paul Feinbaum radio show, one of Mark's favorites. McCarran was told by NFL executives, according to McCarran. They felt like I could. go anywhere from 16 to 35.

I believe that, too. At the same time, I don't have my hope set on anything. Whatever happens happens. It's a blessing for me to even be in this situation. So number 16, by the way, is the Dallas Cowboys, which is interesting that he's being told that that could be where he begins his potential assent to the NFL. The Cowboys, you're still on them drafting a quarterback. All I said was that the Cowboys of the 16th pick.

So somebody's telling him. This does help support Dan's cockamamie theory. I trust Finebaum to come up with, you know, the information. Well, no, listen, whenever he speaks to someone, news is generated, and that's what happened right here. The funny thing is, he is a very well-known radio guy. He really is. I know who he is. I listen to all the time.

Whenever I have a free moment, I'm just going to go back and look to the archives and just click on something. I mean, we don't think that AJ McCarran is going to somehow sneak into the first round, do we? I don't, but I don't really. Well, what about New England way at the bottom? I think New England is a sneaky team to take a quarterback. Yes, I do. I don't think that, or I think they'll take a quarterback, but I don't think it'll be that early. They still have Tom Brady as their starter for a minimum of two years just because of the money.

Well, someday your little idyllic youth into adulthood dream of chasing the Patriots as a fan is going to end, Greg. Well, I forgot, Mark, you believe that Tom Brady will not even be on the Patriots to start this season. I said a Patriots quarterback. You intimated that it was Tom Brady. Sure, I did, but what I said was a Patriots quarterback. And I don't think that Ryan Mallet will be now at this point, especially when they draft a quarterback high. And Mallet's contracts running out, different team by September. I don't think it would be a shock.

To answer your question, Dan, I don't think it would be that big a shock if, McCarron is a first-round pick, or if Derek Carr is, or if Mettenberger, if one of these guys sort of sneaks up and gets to the back of the first round. I'd be shocked. Two things about McCarran that would spook me as a GM. First of all, he's one of those guys that has letters, initials for his first name, but doesn't use punctuation, which to me is kind of a red flag. Yeah.

Did not work with him. And then his tattoo situation is just bizarre for a clean-cut gentleman to then take off a shirt at some lake in Texas and then be covered and completely tatted up look it up if you haven't seen before it's really troubling I don't know when did Dan turn into something conservative he's a thug I tell you

columnist from AOL fanhouse or something isn't that my role he can't be trusted he's a thug that's I don't feel that way I just find it off-putting that he is so clean-cut it's just kind of a strange sight

I'm sure he's a great guy what does clean cut mean to you who says he's clean coat he looks like if you with a shirt on he looks like he was taken directly out of leave it the leave it to beaver like he's that the clean cut that's gold center save me here huh no to be fair they're very god-fearing tattoos oh are they i believe it's a weeping jesus on his chest okay well then all right i get it memo every tattoo of a drafted player is god fearing and mom fearing pretty much it's all god and mom now you're just being i've seen some no i think

Craig's on to something here. What are you? I'm not, I'm not sure about to something. Have you seen their tattoos? Of course it's all religious and family. Nobody's getting like Satan painted on their bodies anymore. No one's getting like, no one's getting like funny Robert Earl Keen quotes in going to the NFL.

It's all, you know what I'm saying? It's too many generalities in this room right now, and I don't like it. Yeah, this is. Shattery leave fingers are hovering around the door like a coven. All right, why don't we move on before we all get fired? The Denver Broncos, let's get off. the draft for one second. The Denver Broncos are using the number

35 as off-season motivation. Gentlemen, I will throw it to all of you since Kevin Patcher wrote this. Why would the number 35 be of interest to the Denver Broncos? I have no idea. Well, that's how many points they lost the Super Bowl by.

And so apparently when they're in the wait room and they're trying to get that one last rep up, you know, someone across the room is yelling, to give them a little more motivation, which seems totally bizarre. All it seems to me is a reminder

of how much they got smacked around in the Super Bowl. I couldn't agree more. You don't walk around to someone that's trying to rebuild and get their act together and say, quick, let's get a catchphrase of your lowest moment. That's going to get you going. No, you've got to put that in the rear view.

This is deeply disturbingly stupid to be yelling out 35. It's embarrassing. The measures that football coaches go to to provide motivation what was the Ray Farmer's

little thing from the press conference he likes acronyms yeah acronyms they've got these acronyms you've got these numbers 35 you have to provide

all these false this was from the players motivational ploys oh well it's from this would be like if Wesleyan it's it's 930 at night and he's trying to just

get that last post done and we're just like post office post office post office mailman referring to West's former career.

Yeah. By the way, if they lost like 20 to 19 or something and somebody was struggling with a rep, and like 2019, it's like you needed to get just over the hump to be a champion, okay? But 35 points is basically reminding you that you're not even close to the best team. Just give up, basically, is what I would take out of it. That's why you never made it to the NFL. That is the only reason, actually. I do feel like that's an underplayed storyline going to the season, that the Broncos not only lost the Super Bowl,

they were sub-jaguars. They were the worst team in the NFL in terms of how they got beaten around. If you saw Seattle play a team on a neutral field, you wouldn't expect them to do that against Jacksonville or anyone. I expected it, as you might recall. Or this wouldn't happen to the Broncos again, though, either, because I think the Super Bowl of all games is one where

if you get out of your groove early and that happened to them, it's a bit different than a week 10 game or something. Ask 100 Broncos fans, and 98 will say to you, That game was lost on the first shotgun snap by Mr. Manny Ramirez, former Red Sox slugger, over Pat Manning's head and through the back of the end zone. And that was a type of momentum swing in front of 115 million people watching that they could not recover from. Now, I don't know if that's true at all. But that's how that game's remembered from a lot of what I hear from people that follow that team.

Didn't you say that? Or someone, maybe it was Damasek, I thought. Yeah. Pretty much at that point in the press box said, yeah, this game's over. That's over. Yeah, he did. He thought it was over at 2-0-0. He did. I guess it was.

Let's move on. Dustin Keller, my old friend with the New York Jets, is visiting the dreaded New England Patriots. Keller, of course, signed with the Dolphins as a free agent last year and then promptly blew out his knee in fairly grisly fashion during a pre-season game, sat out all of last year after the injury. His agent said recently that the knee was doing very well, and now he's visiting the Patriots.

So that's a good step forward for Keller. see if anything comes to this. I believe it was Tom Curran of CSN, New England, who predicted this signing about a month ago when the Patriots were kicking the tires on tight ends like Owen Daniels, who ultimately signed elsewhere. But they clearly wanted a guy to team with Gruncals. Interesting note by Greg in our ATL write-up,

and it really speaks to how much Greg thinks of Dustin Keller, which it's good to see. This is your quote, Greg. If he can recover even 75% of his former speed, the Patriots could certainly use a player with Keller's skill set. Well, it's telling that they just need someone. He'd be a great backup if he can be 80% of his own self.

And I think it's telling when two years in a row he's being courted by defenses that had to face him. Miami and the Patriots inside the division know what he brings. I think Keller was very underrated coming out of New York. And I mean, this is a cunning move by the Patriots if they grab him. That's such a good point. I don't want to follow it up. Yeah.

Left to speechless. The show is over. That's all just walk out all that. Mark one. Wait, let's really just end the show now. It's a shame you can't. I will take you up on that. West does have a doctor's appointment, is it today?

What do you have? You have to go somewhere. All right, let's move on. We're going to get to our next segment, but before we do, I just want to bring up something because it's kind of weighing on my mind and I want to touch on it. It happened today at lunch. the ATL boys

Mine is Greg who is working Mark, Wes and myself all walk together to the commissary here also known as the huddle We all ordered our food as we do Mark got a salad Wes and I both ordered the pad tie

I believe It was good Mark had his salad immediately Goldsender what's up behind the glass I can't believe I just heard the pad tie It was good today We're going to have to iron this one out later Sorry

Yeah It was It tasted like glue and noodles, but that's besides the point. Did you get the pork? No, chicken. That's where you went wrong. There's no way the pad tie was good, and I didn't even see it. Sorry, sorry, go ahead, then.

There's no way to stay on target, by the way. It's starting off target. Mark got the salad. Wes and I got the pad tie. Mark was ready to go almost immediately back to his desk. Wes and my dish were ready around the same time. Wes and Mark walk out the door. I'm adding a little saracha to my pad tie.

when I head out the door, Mark and Wes, I see them already gone, walking back into the office, left without me. Wes, take this. Let me just say something. I'll just say, that to me was hurtful. Leave no man behind. What kind of team is this? Let me give you the unvarnished truth about Dan's lunch tendencies. So Mark and I are there.

We're ordering. We get things done. We sit around and chat with each other. Meanwhile, Dan is hitting three different stations in the lunch room, taking care of all kind of high-maintenance stuff that I didn't even know existed. All this is going on. to yourself right now? Before he gets his food. After he gets his food, he hits another station. I'm holding the door up

as Mark walks away, so I have to choose between Mark and Dan, and I'm sorry Dan, I guess I just went with Mark. Well, I... I mean, it's actually getting more hurtful the more we talk about. It just got hurtful for me as well because Wesleyan found a subtle way to

try to throw me under a bus right there. I wasn't walking anywhere. We were waiting outside, and Wes put the old foot in the door thinking you would come waltzing out. Now, this is where I was holding the door for you. This is where I agree with West. Because you do have a tendency where it seems as though you're about to emerge from the

huddle, the lunchroom, but you stop. You're picking up condiments. You're looking silverware. You've got always a cup of ice with ice in it that you've had to have, you have the poor people to work there. I don't know how Emily married you. You're so high maintenance. You're a little high maintenance.

Perhaps I am, but let me now dole out blame for this situation. We'll start with Wes. Wes, since we both got the same dish, and the only thing I did add was Saracha. We're talking a 15 to 30 second difference. I don't buy that. And I'm disappointed that you wouldn't realize that and just hold that door a little longer. Mark, very disappointed with you because you were the one that led the walkout, essentially. And Wes followed behind you, so you were the leader in this situation.

Wes was in front of me and opened the door for me. and well this is just how I'm seeing it right now I'm like Adam Silver right now doling out some harsh punishments and Greg and finally the buck stops with you the reason Mark felt he couldn't wait and had to head out and then West filed behind us because you've created a culture

in which we need to get back to our desks as soon as possible that's how I'm gonna dole out blame that I can't believe you wasted five minutes of my life downstairs with it and now you doubled down and did it upstairs and our listeners had to listen I think the listeners understand why. I just had to get it off my chest.

It's water under the bridge. I still love you guys or respect you, but I felt like that needed to be shared. I'd like to also really quickly offer an apology to the huddle. It's normally delectable today. That was smart. The little subpar. All right.

I'm not sure where to go from here. I know. I was hoping it would be cathartic, but it feels like maybe it backfired a little bit. Let's move on. All right, so, gentlemen, a lot of talk, a lot of talk right now about from coaches and players. We spoke about this a little earlier in the podcast. Everyone has to answer these reporters when they ask them about draft strategies.

And I think we are capable of cutting through it all and seeing who's telling the truth and who's lying. So this is a little segment that we're going to debut. It is called, I wish you weren't a liar. I wish you weren't a liar. What's that from? That is a man that's on our payroll, Will Farrell, from a famous S&L sketch where he drives a Dutch Stratus. So, yes, the name of this game is...

I wish you weren't a liar. So we'll start with Mike Petten. Sounds like an intervention with Mark Sessler. Mark isn't known for his lovable fibs. We'll start with Mike Petten, head coach Cleveland Browns. And here is the quote. When you look at the history of the league, whether it was Tom Brady or whether it was Aaron Rogers or Carson Palmer, they waited. Petten explained Tuesday.

Even Russell Wilson sat for a little bit, and Colin Kaepernick was a package player his first year. This is, of course, in reference to the number four pick, and the Brown's using it on a quarterback. He sounds like he doesn't want to put a rookie in immediately. I wish you weren't a liar. Great? Well, when you start having to list all the greats of the game, like Brady and Rogers and Carson Palmer, I think that's where it falls apart.

You're already lying and stretching that the third best name you could come up with is Carson Palmer. All the legends of the game. Hey, Palmer did it. We've got to get it for our guy. And then secondly, he mentioned Wilson. Wilson didn't sit at all. Wilson started from day one.

Oh, yeah. It couldn't have been more wrong. No, no, he's wrong. He sat for a little bit. It was like two preseason games. That's the count. Anybody else have to add. So you're calling him a liar.

He's a liar. The whole thing's a lie. I wish you weren't a liar. You know what? And you can't have that attitude when Brian Hoyer is your QB won. I mean, he's right. If you want to win now, it's better to have a veteran quarterback. They don't have that.

They've got a guy coming off of ACL surgery. He mentions Brady and Palmer. He doesn't mention their ACL struggles. I think if you're Mike Patton, you've probably fallen in love with one of the guy like Khalil Mack at this point. You would rather go there than risk it on overdrafting a quarterback who shouldn't go at number four. So you're saying he's not a liar? You're saying he's shooting straight here. I think that the team is probably going to go quarterback at number four or number 26, wherever it is.

But I think that he would not want to do that, no. Does he want to do that? No. He wants to, after sitting through what he did with Mark Sanchez in New York, he doesn't want to put a rookie at the helm week one. And go to the AFC championship game, Mike? The Jets did as a rookie with Mark Sanchez? I think you know what I'm saying, that Sanchez more than once put his defense,

an outrageously amazing defensive effort, completely sideswiped by Sanchez. Well, maybe he doesn't want the quarterback, but Ray Farmer does. I think it's not that it's a conflict, but I'm sure that, you know, they're different interests. So you're saying this is a subtle message to his general manager. I wish you weren't a liar. I don't think it's news to Farmer if it is. I'm sure they discussed All right, let's move on

Carolina Panthers General Manager Dave Gettlement on the Panthers draft strategy I actually I would love to throw it to Greg if Greg actually

who hails from New England had a New England accent but you don't have even a trace of one so I'll just have to do the best I can you guys can look at me like I'm crazy

but if there's a blue goose pass Russia or a blue goose defensive tackle sitting there I'm not going to be afraid and then someone asked Gettleman what a blue goose was he smiled and said a guy that can help right now look you're going to have to take that you're going to take pretty good accent I wish you wouldn't use that accent you didn't take that dropout cool standard Gettoman is

incapable of telling a lie this guy's the straightest shooter of any GM I've ever seen he'll look you in the eye and tell you look guys this is what I'm dealing with this is what I'm dealing with this is what we're going to do any straight up every single time wait so if they if they're what are they picking again they're 28 or 29 something like that mark 28 thank you mark referring to his paperwork uh if they have glaring needs on their offensive line left tackle especially they obviously have the worst wide receivers in the league potentially you're telling me if a what he turns to be a blue goose yeah that just wants not to be confused with it it was always a little southern it was not to be confused with a hog molly yeah his term what was

Is that last year? Yeah, last year for Star Latulet and K-Wan Shore. So if a Blue Goose Hog-Molly defensive lineman comes up, he's going to ignore those. I know you say draft the best player on the board, but these are huge holes on the team. Well, you say that with their hands shaking like it's a ridiculous concept, but when people look back at the Carolina Panthers draft from three years ago,

we don't remember what their draft needs were. We look at the list and say, this player worked out, this one didn't, this one did. He's going to go draft people that can play right now versus someone that doesn't deserve to be picked at number 28. I think he's telling the truth. There's like four offensive tackles that are considered better than the rest, and they're expected to be gone before the Panthers pick.

There are 15 or 20 wide receivers who are good, so if he doesn't get one in the first round, he can get one in the second or third round, so I can see why he would go best player available. Plus, you've got to plan for the future. Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy. They're not going to both be around a couple years from now, so you draft the defensive end, one's there to replace him,

and would a guy that went to the fine university, or college, Springfield College, Western Massachusetts, represent. So maybe they could earmark that seventh round pick on their left tackle, their blindside protector for Cam Newton? That's what we're saying. You're being drastic. I'm just saying, I mean, at a certain point you have to draft a position if you're in a really tough spot.

But I understand your point of it. I wish you weren't a liar. All right, moving on, Stephen Jones, the executive vice president of the Dallas Cowboys and the son of Jerry Jones little family tree knowledge for you guys on the prospect little known fact

yes we just dropped some nugget on just to fill you guys in if you didn't connect the dots on that one there obviously everyone's asking about the Cowboys and whether they will make a play for Johnny football Stephen Jones on the radio on local Dallas radio said there's not anything I can say about it we haven't

quite gotten into sorting out the quarterbacks yet that will come in terms of finalizing our board. I wish you weren't a liar. Now, their quarterback board isn't set yet. They haven't started setting it up. The draft is in eight days, or this was yesterday, so nine days. They have to have a plan for Manzo, whether it's no plan at all,

or they're going to make a play, right? Come on. He hasn't finalized. They haven't gotten into sorting out quarterbacks yet? That's what I mean. I wish he wasn't a liar. Considering Dallas's up and down a rather shaky history of terms of drafting players.

I don't think you want to advertise that you haven't even, hey, guys, let's turn to the part of our binder that says quarterback now. You know what they haven't done yet? Leaked their board to the media. Not yet. Like they did last year. Right. I love it when GMs say that this week at these pre-draft press conference.

There's a lot of this going around. Stephen Jones isn't the only one where the, well, we haven't gotten to that yet. We haven't really discussed Johnny Mansell at length yet. You know, we've just been hanging out. Like, what have you been doing the last four months? That's like, to quote the great Oscar-nominated picture potentially in the future draft day, a major plot point is after Sonny Weaver Jr. played expertly by Kevin Costner, comes into the war room on the day of the draft and tells all the assistants,

hey, we have the number one pick. They're like, start doing research on all the top-end draft choices. Like, what are these guys been doing? This is basically what the Cowboys are in real? Well, they were in other movies. They're actors. Oh. Wait, you know, we...

Sorry, I thought Mark was going to go on a spree of praise. I was going to say that. A good thought. We wrote Dan for months and months and derided Dan for a mid-season tweet in which he announced that Seattle had already won the Super Bowl. Just treated like a fool. Well, a blowout. A blowout. Yeah.

I think he might be on to something with Mansell to Dallas. Oh, this would be a sweet thing, very. I honestly thought you were going to say that he was on to something with Draft Day winning an academy. I don't know. Listen to what Stephen Jones really says. That would be a prediction. That would be.

He says one of the greatest college football players that I've watched in terms of exciting and being a great competitor. Do you know who the other two were? Vince Young and Tim Tebow. Dallas did not take those guys. I think Dallas might do something strange here. You never know. All right, finally.

I wish you weren't a liar. Yes. Finally, Bruce Ariens, Cardinals coach, we were mocking the general abilities of Carson Palmer earlier. Here's Ariens talking about Palmer's abilities, and, you know, put this in the context of what the Cardinals could do in the draft, asked if this guy could play for several more years. Ariens said, there's no doubt.

He's got plenty of juice left in the tank, and he's in great condition, and he's always been in great condition, so I would think he could play up to 36 or 37. I wish you weren't a liar. This is, by the way, this is a few weeks back, but it had to be resurfaced for the situation. Speechless crowd here.

Great condition. He mentioned it twice. My uncle Tom is 60 years old. He's in great condition. He can run 14 miles. I wouldn't have him suit up to be NFL quarterback. I actually don't think Ariens is lying. Uncle Tom does have a great body.

I actually think Ariens, is the rare breed that even if he is lying, he totally believes what he's saying. And that's part of what makes him a good coach. He's selling it. He convinces himself that Carson Palmer is this great because that's the only way you're operating in the world. Does that make sense?

There are liars like that. Full George Costanza? It's not a lie if you believe it. Right, exactly. And maybe the general manager of the Cardinals doesn't agree, but I think Bruce Ariens is telling the truth. The reason he said that was he completely laughed off the notion that Arizona would draft a quarterback

when they have this elegant Carson Palmer under center. The ageless wonder of Carson Palmer. I think that part has changed, though. Daniel Jeremiah, who comes up with this mock draft by actually talking to teams and talking to scouts and GMs, had Derek Harder going to him at number 20. I think that maybe, listen, that was, back in February, the thinking could have changed on bringing someone in.

Well, this goes to who's making decisions. I don't think Bruce Ariens has much. Of course, he has a say, and especially at quarterback, but I don't think he has much of a say compared to Steve Kime. That's a general manager who's making the decision. It's not up to Bruce Ariens. Those guys always want the veterans. Steve Kahn, where's Chuck Taylor's, too?

I like Steve Kite. Is that the coolest coach GM combo? It sounds like a... The Kangle and the Chuck Taylor. Carol and Schneider pretty cool I would say that Carol is very good-natured and charismatic but I don't know how cool he is

He's cool he's in his 60s if you're at his age I mean he seems 20 years younger than he Yeah we saw him at the league meeting party He seemed yeah he just seemed like he was a cool cool guy Schneider walks around with a giant backpack Looks like a guy that wandered out of like a poetry reading That's cool that's Mark picture of cool No, I don't know.

He's sort of laid back. Dimitrov looks like a hepcat. He's a vegan that lived in Boulder for like 20 years. Hep, like hepatitis? A hepcat. A hepcat, that's a term from like the decades again. No, from like the 40s. It's like a pre-booking, it's like a bohemian-era term for...

Have you ever heard Elton Johnson? Yes. He talks about... He has the word hepcat in one of his most famous songs. I'm surprised you've never heard that term. I think hepp. like hepatitis needs to be a new drop. The word.

It's usually been the least politically correct podcast we've done some time. The word hip comes from Hepcat. So just to confirm, Thomas Mietroff does not have hepatitis C. No, he's a hepcat. Okay. Gentlemen, that's it. That's it

for our little game there. I've got to get out of here. I wish you weren't a liar. I don't really... Wait, did we ever come to a decision? Who wasn't... Was anyone I don't think Ariens was intentionally lying. I don't think he's intentionally lying. I don't think Gettelman's line. I don't think he's capable of telling him.

Gettelman, I think the majority says he was not lying. Maybe worse. And I don't think Ariens is lying, but I guess I'm in the minority. No, I'm with you. Look, Gettelman is. He wanted to recap the important game because people are clearly keeping track of results. Yeah, and the good thing is we're going to find out. We'll find out.

The draft will tell us a lot of things. Gethoman had an opportunity to lie with the whole Steve Smith situation. He didn't even attempt to, like, cover that up or make the organization. He can look good. He just played it straight. All right. Before we go, Wes, I know you have matters to take care of. You've got to get out of here.

I just want to run one thing by you, Wes. On Friday show, we talked about, you know, a reader chimed in with the idea for softball pants. Would you potentially eat your softball pants? You're so confident that RG3 will be comeback player of the year. Would you eat your softball pants if that didn't happen? And you said you were leaning towards no, but we gave you the weekend. And what was your decision? I cannot take that bet.

The primary reason being that there are too many injuries in football and RG3 could go down at any point. All right. Now, would you mind if I added a twist to that and I'll run it by you again? Okay. Would you eat your softball pants if RG3 didn't win comeback player of the year and started at least 13 games in 2014? About 16 games. He's going to need to start all 16. And, all right, wait, I'll pull back, starts all 16 games.

I would have to think about that when I get up. Because of this reason which I neglected, there's a gronk factor involved. Never forget the gronk factor. It's fair. Who I think had the best three-year start to a career in the history of all NFL tight ends. There's also a Brian Hoyer factor. Oh, no. But I know that was going to come up.

So, all right, so now you're... I'm waffling. Okay. I thought maybe I'd get you on that. See, I think people... Really in. People are under the impression that I just throw the softball pants bet around willy-nilly, and that's not the case.

No. No, you treat it with respect, and you should, because otherwise you'll be easily eating nylon and metal and other composite parts. The last year's thing with the Oakland Raiders was the second time in history that I have thrown the softball pants out there. Really? The other one was about five years ago. I forget what it was.

but I remember that I did not have to eat my softball. Let me guess. The reason you don't remember is because it originated in Huckapoo's. That's quite fun. I think it would involve fantasy football somehow. It happened on Twitter, like at the beginning of Twitter. All right, great. Thank you, Wes, and thank you for at least giving some thought to the possibility.

We'll be back on Friday, our last show together before Mark and I head to New York for the draft. we will bring back one of the more popular games for the Around the League podcast that is go get my lunch draft edition that last part

is supposed to be implied thank you Wes and what are you talking about the draft edition part no the B oh okay well we're going to bring that game back and just I'll throw it out there

we're going to do the game but in the future we need to settle up all sandwich bets before the next time we play we'll wave it this time for the draft but Mark, I'm kind of looking at you. You're stoned the hole a little bit in terms of doling out owed sandwiches. Whatever, listen, whenever you want one of these contraptions, come let me know and I'll buy it for you.

Do it tomorrow. All right. You have permission to leave the NFL facilities for hours or whatever it's going to take to get it done. I'll take you up on that. All right, so Friday we're going to bring back that game. We're going to talk about the draft. We're going to throw some things out there. Do some news.

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