NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL ATL: First Round Draft Special!

Episode Date: May 9, 2014

A room partially full of heroes -- Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Kevin Patra -- recaps the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft.  With the help of Dan Hanzus and Marc Sessler, live on the scene in New York, the gang picks apart Johnny Manziel’s slide down the draft board, Jadeveon Clowney being selected first overall and much more.  Who won?  Who lost?  There’s only one place to find out -- this special edition of the "Around the League Podcast."Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the League podcast. Didn't come here to make friends. Welcome to another edition of the Around the League podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm here with a couple of heroes in Culver City and a couple of heroes in New York. Chris Wessling, Kevin Patra, Dan Hansis, and Mark Sessler from a hotel room in Midtown Manhattan.

What is happening? Hey, Greg. That was a crude facsimile of what a true open should be for the podcast. Look, I don't need your backseat driving, Dan, from New York. I'm doing the best that I can, and I'm trying to bring the energy here, because, We are taping this after one in the morning, East Coast time. We've been writing all day. Get excited.

Yes, it's very early in the morning in New York. But as I just tweeted, I am riding a contact high off Mark Sessler, who this is one of the greatest nights of his life. I can honestly say it, an amazing opening night of the NFL draft, and it's all about Johnny football and the Cleveland Browns. And Mark's glowing. he's like a pregnant woman I do feel like a woman who is about to give birth That is accurate

I will say that for the last 40 minutes Dan and I have been blasting Steve Winwood in our hotel room Take from that What you will Hey that's my entrance music It was part of it It was partly done

In honor of U.S., but also just like it felt like We needed some celebration music While we waited in this hotel room In Midtown Manhattan And, you know, it was really, it was quite a trip being at Radio City for that, because we, you know, you tell us, Greg, how do you want to get into this? Because I have a lot of thoughts about the Mansell situation because that, to me, seems like the big seismic move that we've been waiting for the Browns to make for 15 years, and they finally did it. Well, Mark can't talk about it because you tweeted right after the trade that he floated out of the building.

No, no, it was immediately, you know, a high-octane post was assigned to me, so I was clamped down typing in a seat that would have been better watching a film in that. These seats at Radio City are just large, plush, semi-couches, but I will say this. Wesleyan, I think you tweeted this early that it already, in the first four picks or so, this year's draft had more drama than anything we saw a year ago, and that is exactly true. The Mansell B-line and the drop throughout, Till Cleveland picked him. This was, Radio City was on fire tonight. Well, Mark wasn't there when Eric Fisher went off the board. It was 2K-13 and blew the roof on Radio City. It wasn't Fisher.

It was the Fisher-Jokal combination and just trying to recover from that. Three tackles in the first four picks. Get them now, boys. There's no other place to start than Johnny Mansell. What were you feeling, Mark, as Mansell was falling? You know, the Browns had already traded down in the first round to number nine. Then they moved back up to eight. Where are you at that point while they're on the clock at eight?

I did not. I was stunned that at that point, they took a cornerback. I found that to be, it was an interesting move by Farmer, but it brings me back to everything they said coming into this. this draft. They actually spoke the truth. They didn't want one of these quarterbacks at number four. And at that point, I thought it was a lost cause because someone else, especially Minnesota, I thought, would swoop in and make this move. And I thought, well, you know what? They watched

the tape. They're not into Johnny football. And the fact that he came around to them, there was a lot of drama there because you're watching teams like the Eagles, they could he go there? And I thought if he goes past Philadelphia, would Cincinnati decide maybe to take them? And all these teams with the Cowboys. Well, the Cowboys, of course, all these teams with veterans in place decided not to rock their depth chart with that move. And so it was very dramatic how it played out. And it was the, you know, I've gotten to go to the last three draft. This is by far the best kind of vibe in the building when, because Mansell kind of hung over the whole thing.

Once Clownie comes off the board, and number one, it instantly, it was kind of like the Mansell show. And it's funny when the Browns traded and then passed on him with the first pick, you know, Mark was very downtrodden, but it was such an interesting draft that it wasn't over yet because every pick, it hung in the air, who was going to take Mansell, and then when it came back to the Browns and they traded up with, it was the Eagles.

believe, right? Yeah, and on the Eagles thing, I found that to be the interesting footnote of the night that the Chip Kelly situation in Cleveland was obviously Egg on the face of that organization, and it really kind of cemented them as a laughing stock, and then bang, it's through

the Eagles, who I really thought that is a Schiff Kelly type quarterback, that's how they get it done by outbidding the Vikings. I don't know, it was balzy, and Ray Faw. I think the winner of the night for me, and I'm saying this literally not as a Browns fan, but there was a lot of doubts and questions about if Ray Farmer was just a guy in there

and Hazel was controlling the whole thing. I thought Ray Farmer did a nice job tonight. Well, assuming he wanted Mansell. Well, he picks up the first round and a fourth round pick from the bills next year, too. It's an unbelievable night for the Browns and their fans, and it makes me wonder, are they, I know it's early, but it's Mansell and whatever. Isn't this a team that could contend with Manzell right away? Well, that's something that I, even though I got hung up with the Cowboys,

and it cost me a lot of sandwiches tonight, I will, I feel okay with how it turned out because I had Mr. Mike Mayak on my side. You know, he was still on the board at 16 when the Cowboys passed. But what I always felt from the start personally, and I think obviously Mark was on the same page too, is that Manzell and the Browns were the perfect team. It was the perfect setup. And, you know, I just think that this is a situation that this franchise needed a seismic moment,

a big move, and they made the move today. You know, you talk about seismic movement. Mark and I have been following sports for over 30 years now, and there's one golden role I've picked up. If you have a chance to get a uniquely gifted player who not to only only, only has the chance to alter the course of your franchise, but can also galvanize the whole area, the city, the state, you have to take a chance on that. This is what sports teams fail over and over again, and when you don't take a chance on

that, you lose jobs. As Greg likes to say, great quarterbacks don't just transform franchises. They transform lives. Jobs are saved. you get a new addition on your house you upgrade to a bigger house your GM stays in place for a few more years this is the kind of move that could be

and to that point that's the way I look at it too it's like if you get the right quarterback you can redo that foyer well no to bolster that point we found out 25 minutes after they drafted Mansell the Browns had 200 new season tickets

bought and 300 renewals So that's 500 tickets sold in 25 minutes after he drafted him. And my question after that is that going to pressure them to start him because Patton said today he didn't have to start. He's starting. I don't disagree with that. He said that after the draft that it hasn't changed his mind that he doesn't want a rookie quarterback to start.

So yeah, good luck with that, Brian Hoyer. You're coming off at Torne ACL. You have Johnny Football behind you. The whole town's going to want Mansell to play. I don't see how that's going to last for, too long. Vince Young can't catch a break, guys. The collateral damage, that is.

You know, part of the whole story, and we're not going to spend the whole show on Mansell, but we are going to be talking the whole offseason, the whole season about it. So, I don't mind diving into it, is the Minnesota Vikings angle. I mean, all the teams that passed on Mansell, including the Browns, but there was only one team that wanted Mansell enough to trade back up for him. And that was Minnesota. R. Albert Breer reports that they tried to trade up to 22 and take Mansell there. And Jay Glazer also reports at one point they thought they had a deal done.

So in that one moment when Ray Farmer, I mean, I guess it's out of the movie. I haven't seen the movie, but I mean, it's the drama of a movie. In that one moment where the Browns are calling and they have to top Minnesota's offer, everything changes. We could be talking about a depressed Mark Sessler right now, and all those season tickets could be going to Minnesota. And I think Minnesota recovered very well by getting Teddy Bridgewater. But, man, that is a franchise-altering seismic phone call. And think about that situation.

Now you're going to have something we're going to be tracking the next couple of years is how that all shook out. And the Vikings go and they do trade back into the first round, and then they get Teddy Bridgewater at 30. Johnny Mansell goes to the Browns at 22, so we're going to see how that works out for those two teams and it'll always be a what-if game if one of the guys bombs and one of the guys does very well.

I mean, it's really going to be fascinating to watch. You don't think that Howie Roseman was the one that made the call to the Browns, knowing that they would want? Hey, we have this – you have another first-round pick that we might rather trade there than to get the second rounder from the Vikings. I think it was the Eagles that might have been gone to the Browns and said, hey, by the way, we know you want Manzell, but we got the Vikings on the other line. They want them too.

Had to be a two-way street there. And the Eagles who kind of were, you know, they threw some things out there that may, they might be interested in me that they trade down and they end up taking a guy that no one except for Daniel Jeremiah has ever heard of, Marcus Smith, who no one had in the first round except for DJ. So kudos to DJ and kudos to Marcus Smith for somehow making it into this podcast. You know, one thing, like Cleveland has. has, in recent history, used that 20-second pick to go quarterback. Brady Quinn, Brandon Whedon, two massive swing and misses.

So they're hoping this one's a little bit different. And the reality is, when we look at the draft, we pick our winners tonight in mind and spirit. But reality is, a lot of people felt that Teddy Bridgewater was the more pro-ready quarterback. I think it's going to be very fascinating to see how it's good for Mansell that he went somewhere with a coordinator with some experience on how to use an unorthodox, as Wesleyan would say, uniquely gifted guy. I like the fit there. Had he gone to Minnesota with Norv Turner?

I'm not sure that would have been – Norv Turner is an excellent offensive coordinator, but Shanahan's already shown that he can work with this type of player. So it's going to be fun to watch. Hey, Norv worked with Doug Flutie. You're right about that. Jim Trotter did today say, though, that Norv didn't really like the Flutis. improvisation at the time. Norve usually has a prototypical pocket passers. I can't believe that Mark is bringing up Whedon and Brady Quinn on the night that you got

Mandel. This is got to be honest about himself. This has got to be the closest thing to a playoff win in a long time. Just don't even bring harshing the buzz. I don't like it. By the way, the notorious D.O.P. Hanson Hank shot down my Factory of Gladness headline on the NFL.com landing trage which I had called weeks ago. And everyone in the building seemed to think it was a good one and I was very proud of myself and excited if I wasn't going to get sandwiches

from the Cowboys I was going to get that headline didn't get it What was the reasoning behind that? I don't know. Also shot down my suggestion that Dan and I would march out to a co-introductory song of Enya's Orinoco Flow.

Let's talk about what in most drafts have been the biggest surprise and one of the biggest stories, and that's the Jacksonville Jaguars shocking a lot of people by taking Blake Bordles number three. And this, in all the pre-draft speculation and rumors and buzz, I mean, almost every possibility is thrown out there and then, you know, disputed.

I can't remember anyone saying Bortles to the Jaguars. And this is David Caldwell, their general manager, basically putting it out there. He's putting his job in line saying, Bortles. I'm riding with Blake Bordels. That's my career. This one kind of gives me the willies.

I wouldn't be too excited. I don't know. I saw comparisons in January and February of Blake Bortles to Blaine Gabbard. There's also been comparisons to Ben Ropposberger as well. And Jake Locker. And maybe there's a selling seats factor there. This is definitely not the name. Maybe they just didn't.

Oh, but he's buying tickets. gets to see playing. No way. He's Florida. He's a quarterback. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they don't, it's not like they have a bad track record with guys with stupid names to start with B. They have drafted three quarterbacks now in the top ten in their franchise history. Byron Leffwoods. Blaine Gabbardt, rather, and here comes Blake Bortles. The difference between Bortles and Mansell and Bridgewater is, first of all, there's a little less pressure on the other two guys because they were taken later, although I don't think that ultimately matters as much. The

bigger thing is the Browns and the Vikings have some talent on offense around it. You have Joe Thomas and you have Jordan Cameron and you have Josh Gordon for Mansell and then in Minnesota you have Adrian Peterson and Cordorrell Patterson and Kyle Rudolph and Greg Jennings

aren't bad. And then you look at Jacksonville, that's not a situation where I feel like he's really set up to succeed and they're going to have to play him right away. A lot of pressure. We're also seeing Jacksonville as a team that's potentially going in the right direction. You know, this isn't, to cite Blaine Gabbard again, a situation where he's going to a flat-line franchise. There's some hope in Jacksonville as well. Well, I'm trying to get rid of that hope.

It all rides on Blake Bortle Shores now. I can't believe you're just missing, Chad, Henney. They only... Tredgedy. Did you know they've only drafted five players in the history of their franchise? Five quarterbacks in the history of their franchise? Ooh. Leftwich, Bortles, Gabbard, Rob Johnson, and Jonathan Quinn. Oh, I was going to throw out Quinn Gray, but I guess he wasn't drafted.

I'm not drafted. So, I mean, Cessley, you're a big Caldwell and Gus Bradley believer. Does this change your feelings? Are you now going to root against Blake Bortles because he's essentially a competitor of Johnny Mansell in this rookie quarterback thing? no i'm not sure that that has a lot of traction with me i mean i i found the pick out as well and i wonder if if jacksonville ultimately would like to depending you know everyone says oh gus bradley is coming out of the seattle system with nothing but those that the way that team was built in his mind but i wonder if they want to be more of a run heavy type offense i the one thing about portals is and i think there's you know in terms of his size and his traits there's a lot to like potentially, but they've talked about him a couple times as someone that is just not ready for

the overall task of being a starting quarterback. He needs time, and so maybe when they talked about Henny, there was a half-truth that, A, we're obviously not sold on this guy, no one's buying that, but maybe you feel like you really have to start Bortles right away. I wonder if that's the case. I mean, it's your number three picks, so. I kind of agree with that. I'm not sure if they believe they have to right away. To go back to Greg's point, I'm not sure that Bortals has more pressure than Johnny Mansell. I don't really think so. I think with the person that Manzell is, I think he's putting pressure on himself. That's who we're talking about today. We're not, you know, Bortles was the second one. I think because of where Jacksonville is in relation to the

histories of the two franchises, I think Johnny Manzell has much more pressure on him than Blake Bortles, who everyone could forget, and nobody would go, nobody would worry about it. So those are the three quarterbacks that were taken and Derek Carr still sitting on the board as we tape this going into day two. And we're going to going to get to our go-get-my-lunch bets, just a little bit later. That last part was supposed to be implied. Yeah, I forgot about that. I'm not really excited about revealing these standings.

That'll give away at least my position in the stand. We'll talk about that later. But I think we should talk about the other biggest move of the day, which was the bills trading up for Sammy Watkins. And like Mark Sessler said, man, Ray Farmer comes out looking good in this. He picks up Buffalo's first-round pick next year and their fourth-round pick, and Buffalo moves up only five spots to get Sammy Watkins.

Maybe Stevie Johnson is on the trade block now. What do we think of this move? It's a huge gamble. I mean, essentially Doug Whaley's saying, I think this guy's going to be the next Calvin Johnson, so I'm giving you my first rounder next year, because I think he's the difference to us getting to compete in the NFC East. I think that's what he's saying with what the trade that he made.

I'm not wild about it because I don't believe in E.J. Manuel, but I guess credit to them for stacking their offense with as many weapons as possible because they believe in E.J. Manuel, but like I said, I wouldn't give up the future, and they gave up a part of their future, to bank on E.J. Manuel. Yeah, it's all, like, if Caldwell's one guy that suddenly he put his name up, there is, I'm attached to a player. And if this doesn't work out, I might not be in Jacksonville in a couple years from now. I see the same thing with the bills here because this was an expensive, costly trade.

And if this doesn't work, and E.J. Manuel continues to not thrill. That coach and that GM have a lot of explaining to do. Well, one thing I'll say, though, about that, West, to your point, that maybe it's tempered by the quarterback situation, let's say you're right, Wes, and you're feeling, and a lot of people feeling that maybe E.J. It was not the guy. He has a bad season. Maybe he gets hurt again. Maybe he gets benched.

And they go down the tubes. They'll go and get a quarterback next year. And you have this dynamic young wide receiver locked in for the next four years at least and maybe even five. So it's not necessarily a win-now situation there. Yeah, they can pick up Chad Henney. They can't get a quarterback in the first round next year because the Browns hold that pick. Yeah, this isn't. This isn't like when the 49ers.

or the Saints give away a first-round pick for next year and you figure, oh, that's going to be in the mid-20s. This is the bill. This could be the fourth pick. Right. This could be the Redskins trading away their picks, and it winds up being in the top two or something like that. I mean, the bills have had no track record of success.

And, you know, it's a hard decision for me to understand to give up a pick that high for a wide receiver. especially, I mean, maybe you just feel like you need a guy that's going to be able to catch a pass that's 15 yards overthrown, and Sammy Watkins is the only guy that could possibly do that. Wow. It doesn't feel quite right to me that Cleveland Browns fans will be rooting hard for Buffalo Bills fans to be unhappy.

It's like those two fan bases should kind of have some solidarity. But if you're a Browns fan, you want the bills to go down a flames, drop a 2 and 14 on them. A lot of anti-E.J. E.J. Manuel's sentiment. It's too bad because actually it is a moment that Bill's fans are going to get excited about. I mean, they are getting Sammy Watkins. They are getting what we all, well, West disagreed. You thought Mike Evans was the best wide receiver in this class.

But for the most part, people thought Watkins was one of the best wide receiver prospects in a while. And it is an exciting offense on paper. they have everything but the quarterback i guess that's what i'm so frustrated about if they just had a veteran even a michael vick type to go along with c j spiller and fred jackson and all of these receivers that have so much talent and cordie glennett left tackle then you get excited but it just almost doesn't all add up with e j manuel i was surprised because and i guess it's just all smokescreen but what the way whaley talked about evans and i'm in west's camp in terms of seeing Evans as a guy that

I like Evans more, and I thought that Whaley did too because he talked about him as a receiver that they don't have on that team, a dimension they don't have. Maybe what he was saying was we never think Watkins will be there for us, but if we're going to trade up, it might be for Evans instead, but

I was surprised at actually which wide receiver they picked. All right, so now we've gone over the quarterbacks. We've gone over the big wide receiver trade. Maybe let's, I would say, go around the room, but we're separated by an entire country right now. Let's just go around the group. Go around America. Let's go around America. And let's pick some of our favorite picks of the

night, just the ones that struck your fancy and you liked them. Let's start with Kevin Patrick coming at you. I'm going to go to the end of the first round. And I really like the Bradley Roby pick by the Broncos. I think he fills in need. I think at that spot where they got him, I think it's a huge deal. He was talked about being one of the upper middle cornerbacks taken, and if it wasn't for an average year last year where he had blown some coverage, I think he could be a difference maker a couple years down the road when they're looking to get rid of Talib's contract. I think that could be huge for them. But let's be honest, a 52-year-old Reggie Roeby would have been a more optimal selection

at that point. I like that move. Wait, is that who they took? I'm sorry. My brother Phil lives in Columbus and is a huge Ohio State Buckeyes fan. He was just telling me the other day that Bradley Robey got toasted way too often last year He was really good as a sophomore But he got burnt quite a bit last year I thought you were going to say he was a Reggie Roby fan Or that he was Reggie Roby

All the Westlings are Reggie Roby fans All right, let's go to New York for this next one Mark, give me a pick you like The pick I thought I liked the Raiders going with Khalil Mack I mean, this is a guy that Greg Koselle said, A, best player in the draft, best defender, and the Raiders have used the offseason to add like 15 guys who are about to turn 40. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You've got to look beyond potentially 2016 and a roster that will have two people on it at that point for Oakland. So I like this guy. I think Mack is potentially a guy that you can anchor that defense around for, The next seven, eight years, it's maybe one of the safer moves, and nice job by McKenzie. Hey, Reggie McKenzie now has one blue-chip player on his roster. There you go. You got to give him credit that he didn't go after an over 30 guy in the first round of the draft. That's fair.

Fred and Whedon, not in the draft. No, it did work out well for them with Blake Bortles going three, essentially that Mac fell further. I mean, a lot of people liked Mack over Clowny. You're right. If you look at that roster, they have no one that's just, hey, that's a franchise type of guy. And they got a guy, if Cleo Max's in this draft last year, he probably goes number one overall. That's a classic move, too, in fantasy drafts, too, when you're kind of buried a little further back in the first round. And then some idiot takes Stephen Jackson fourth overall.

And it changes everything. and it puts you in play for somebody that you have no business being in play for. So good on you, Reggie. Way to go, Raiders. Let's stick with you, Dan, then. Let's get a pick from you, you liked. Well, first of all, I just want to tell you, Greg, I'm remarkably tired right now. I just want to put that out there.

Doesn't mean we're going to shorten this show up, if that's what you're trying to tell me sublimity. We're going two hours, Eisenstein, style, tonight. No, I liked a lot. the Giants, I think they probably really wanted Eric Ebron, who went to the Lions at 10. That was another pick I liked. But they stuck to their plan, and I think it was important to them to not only show their, you know, their belief in Eli, who I, you know, they still believe can play despite that bad year. They go and they get Odell Beckham, a playmaker that allows you to not put so much pressure on Ruben Randall.

so now you have a nice Beckham, Victor Cruz, Randall, threesome there. Well, let's say Troika. Dan is starting to fall apart here. Yes. And I think, you know, that gives Eli a nice team to work with, and if Eli bombs out again with this supporting cast, then you really have to ask a lot of questions. So Akeem Nix has been successfully replaced in my mind,

and I think that was an important move that the Giants need to make. I don't know if Beckham is an outside the numbers receiver, were like Hakeem Nix down the field. He's more of a guy who is explosive with the ball in his hands, cuts dynamically, kind of a different guy than Hakeem Nix. And I wonder how, I wonder if that really addresses the need they had.

I was surprised to see that wider. I mean, I wasn't surprised that they passed on Johnny Mansell. Of all the random rumors that came today that just seemed so much like a smokescreen, the Giants in Manzell seemed to really stick out, it was surprising to, me that they went for receiver there considering all their defensive needs.

Whatever. They filled a lot of those in for agency. Hey, Dan, we're just, we're just trying to pick you apart. I'm sorry, I'm getting cranky. When Victor Cruz asked for a shiny toy, you give it to him. I thought he asked for a big one, though. That's true. Not a 5-11.

You're right. Maybe the receiver they picked is a surprise, but you still, listen, when Victor Cruz talks, he's a dancer, you know. Wes, who you got? I'm going with two different players here. One on offense. Is that allowed? One on defense.

That's cheating. No, we can give a couple. Why not? One on offense, one on defense, and both essentially reversed father time for their units. I love Ryan Shazir, the Ohio State linebacker, who I think looks like the best, the fastest linebacker on film since Brian Erlocker came into the league as a safety wide receiver kick returner out of New Mexico. Shazir's awesome.

you pair him with Lawrence Timmons. Now you have a line backing core which had a lot of question marks last year. You have Worlds and Jones on the outside. Now you have arguably the most dynamic in-tier your duo in the NFL. With Bowman coming back from multiple knee surgery for the 49ers, maybe the Steelers are up there.

All right, easy there. That Steelers team is going down in week one, by the way. I mean, you just said they might be better than Bowman and Willis who have a chance to both make the Hall of Fame. Bowman playing on one leg now. All right. Okay.

Well, let's go to Saints then. They had an aging wide receiver core. 63% of Drew Bree's completions last year went to tight ends and running backs. It was basically Marcus Colston and no one else. They pick up Brandon Cook's, the fastest wide receiver in the draft. Prototypical slot receiver plays a little bit like Deshawn Jackson. Love this pick. He's kind of like Tavon Austin, except Sean Payton will know what to do with him,

whereas Schottonheimer doesn't know what to do with Tavon Austin. I do like him playing on that turf in that dome, too. That's perfect for him. I don't know about John Payton's history of drafting receivers' eye, though. They haven't really found guys that are high-profile wide receivers. Devery Henderson was a high second-round pick. Robert Meacham was a first-round pick and been able to integrate them into the offense. I didn't like any of those players coming out.

That's the difference. End of story. They really need to find some players that are quite. poor young players because they've been kind of riding these same guys Marcus Colston

and Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore is gone now and just they haven't really found any of those diamonds in the rough or good new

offensive pieces in a while. I'm completely concerned because Dan is falling asleep on my bed in my hotel room. Really? What is the scene there?

Is Steve Winwood still playing or? Well, no, actually it hasn't been all Winwood. We actually listen to draft day by Drake, which

Goldsander, can you play a little clip of that? Yeah, I'll play it right here. Just giving instructions from across the country. Yeah. Draft Day. Johnny Mansell. Five years later, how I'm out a man still. Drap Day.

And, you know, we got into that a little bit, and then we went down a windwood wormhole, and then somehow we got to the living years by Mike and the mechanics, and that got a little weird. And, you know, so it's just kind of a weird vibe, but it makes sense because to circle back to the Johnny Mansell situation again, I was saying to Mark all week. Mark was acting very strange all week about this Mansell situation and was overthinking it

almost was maniacal in his behavior at times and obsessive. And I just got the feeling that they were going to blow the pick, and that seemed to be in the air. They weren't going to get Mansell. They got him. So it's created this whole different culture all around Mark. I feel like Mark's a different guy now. And I'm just basking in that. I'm really enjoying it. It's nice. As a jet man, my team drafted a defensive player in the first round for the 700th consecutive year. And I'm really excited to have a run-stuffing safety to help score points in 2014. I'm really looking forward to see what he can do with Mike Vic and Gino Smith, but I kind of joke, Calvin Pryor, will, makes that defense even better.

Oh, you wanted Mansell, don't be, don't even pretend. That is a subplot, the Jets Mansell vibe. It would have been completely insane for the Jets to draft Johnny Manzell, but I just, I kind of, and I wanted the Browns to have them all along, but it was something that I was, you know, it was almost, that's what, he was such a unique character in this whole, this whole scene that it's so easy to get sucked in and to think about having that guy on your team and potentially transforming them. And we don't even know if that's actually going to happen with the Browns.

But now the Browns have that chance. The Jets, it's been so long since the Jets had a transcendent, a potentially transcendent type athlete like that. So, yeah, you get sucked in when he's sitting on the board. But when I didn't hear his name, it's not like I was crustfall because it made more sense. And at Radio City, the Jets fans there, it was kind of like a man. mixture of relief and kind of sadness, but also it was, you know, it was, it was too much. It was too much to imagine him with the jets.

The circus would have been back to town. Well, there was palpable excitement that the glacier had actually made the pick in time. It's terrible. Got it in. We just got it in. You know, most of the, a lot of the teams that get the pick in with well over, you know, two minutes to go. The glacier took it down because the glacier doesn't make a decision until the glacier decides it's the right time. Well, when you're watching Michael Vick, you know, lead the

Jets to a stirring comeback over the bills to get the Jets record to five and seven, you can be happy and think, hey, that's the guy that we passed on Johnny Mansell for, one year of Michael Vick. I do look forward to the first time Sammy Watkins goes over the middle, and Calvin Pryor, D. Cleets him, and you never see the same Sammy Watkins ever again. I am looking forward to that. I'm going to give my favorite pick of the rounds to the St. Louis Rams. Even though I wanted them to take a quarterback because I just think they're sticking with Sam Bradford too long, ultimately you have to like the team they're putting together with

Aaron Donald on that defensive line. Donald, Michael Brockers, Robert Quinn, and Chris Long is the most insane pass-rush defensive line in the league right now. And then you add Robinson to their offensive line. This should be a good running attack. Wes is making a face over there. I hated their draft. This was, I'm going to take them to task. Why?

Well, we talked about passing on uniquely gifted players that can change the course of their franchise. They pretty much, they wanted no part of RG3 who won rookie of the year, galvanized the Redskins organization got that fan base excited twice they pass up on Johnny Mansell they stick with Sam Bradford who I think might be the least inspiring

quarterback in the NFL has an 1830 and one record and four years as a starter has not gotten one bit better and looks to me like he's regressed they pick up Aaron Donald they have Michael Brockers who they drafted in the top 10

they have Kendall Langford who is a really good defensive tackle. They sign Alex Carrington as a free agent. They have three defensive tackles right there. They don't need Aaron Donald. I like building... They need a quarterback.

I like building strength on strength. Who's going to stop that team now? Since you don't have any quarterback, you can just put like 22 defensive players on the field. I'm sure for those 7.4 snaps a game than Aaron Donald plays, he'll make a great impact. What are you doing, Rams? Come on.

Geez. It's weird over there. I didn't really care about the other. I don't want to watch Sam Bradford play for the Rams again. In that ugly dome, watching that guy overthrow his receivers, time. Ah, come on. I love it. Wesleying right now, A, he's speaking my language.

This is just a C poem about the Rams. And I agree with every word of it. And how about the Rams? If nothing else, they win the award for the most. off the record lies of any team. I mean, what team pretends that they're more media friendly and is ultimately snowballing all their

buddies in the media more than the Rams? Because all this Mansell stuff and the whispers, oh yeah, they really like it was like a month-long campaign to the point just about everyone was on board that this was legitimate and not only do they pass them up at two, but they pass them up

at 13 and then we get the reasoning well, they just didn't think Aaron Donald would be there. Like you can't pass that up. We're going to, like, well, we like Johnny Manzella as our franchise quarterback, but since we didn't see Aaron Donald falling to the 13th pick, guess we can't take him. How many defensive linemen do you need? And by the way, and by the way, a message to Mr. High Cheapbones and flowing Sandy Hare, the general manager of that team, less need.

You better gotten this right, man, because I don't think he gets any chances. is if they stay in neutral here after passing up all this, like, amazing talent at the top of this draft and going down a path that West seems to be of one to ruin, if he's wrong, he's not going to get another draft to, and not only will he's not get another draft to do this and he'll be elsewhere around the street. The Rams will have botched one of the great golden opportunities of any NFL team has had in the last decade from that bounty they got for our. RG3, they got, this better work out.

That's not used to work down to your resume. That's more half-baked than me giving the Rams some love. I mean, they were coming off the worst, literally the worst five-year run in NFL history, and they've won 14 games the last two years. Less needs going to be there for a long time. It doesn't really matter what they do this year. Oh, it matters. I mean, Greg, I would think, Greg, your pick has not been widely popular with this group,

but no, I don't even like it. I don't even buy it. I totally back off it. I'm not even kidding. I made it up. A little bit back for you. There have been 22 men in NFL draft history that have been drafted with a combination of two first names in their name,

Aaron Donald being one of them. None of them have lasted more than three years. She's making things up. Just making things up. No one Ryan had a pretty good career in Major League Baseball. Well, that's a sport that does not move the needle on this podcast. Mark has officially put me to sleep. I just put a hex on the Rams.

They are doomed to go seven and nine every single year for the rest of eternity. I think they would sign up for that. They would sign up for that. Now we're at the portion of the program where Mark is only speaking in lies. I think it's time to go over the go get my lunch. Toteboard, scoreboard. Keep that implied. All right.

It's an embarrassment. And I just want to thank our Twitter follower. who keeps sending us all the updates. Actually, there's multiple. Tristan keeps sending us updates. And then also we have a Twitter account that is now keeping track of our scoreboard as it's going. So if you guys are listening to this podcast

and you want to follow along, there is a Twitter handle called Go Get My Lunch. Exactly. It's beautiful. I love you don't know who runs it. Yeah. And not only that, he signed up for a Gmail account. to email me the standing, so I would have him for the podcast in a Microsoft Word form.

So I'm excited. I love our listeners, by the way. They are great humans across the board. I don't even need to do any more background checking. They listen to the show, and they interact with us on social media, and that's good enough for me. It really is incredible how many people were following along, and we loved that you guys were really into when Johnny Mansell was on the clock could. handsist, do the unbelievable and pick up seven sandwiches at one moment. It really did raise a lot of attention in the room.

I was more excited. What did you say on Twitter or on over instant message, Dan? I have no idea. That was like 17 hours ago. It was two in the morning here, Greg. I think you said that it was the most exciting moment you've ever had in your life by far. That sounds right. And I will tell you that, yeah, I mean, it really, it was something that it almost happened.

I'm okay with how it played out, and my good buddy Mark got the player anyway. So, you know what, even though I didn't win my seven sandwiches, I'm okay with how it played out. Wait, under the radar here, NFL draft guru Mike Mayock, now taking tips from Dan Hansis for his mock draft. That's a victory. That's he, Dan. But perhaps he shouldn't because it didn't work out in this case. One Twitter follower told me that exciting night of draft, the best part for him that he's ever had in a draft,

even though Dan's prediction didn't come true, was how much tension there was leading up to the Cowboys pick purely because of Dan's prediction. And don't forget about this. You know, and I didn't get it right so that I cannot gloat. But, you know, I was laughed out of the room when I even suggested that Mansell would be on the board at 16. Mark is pointing at himself and shaking his head.

Mark, all right, maybe you weren't. But some of the other gentlemen, some of the other heroes, you didn't think it could even be plausible. Well, I still don't. That would be an option. I still don't. I don't think he was an option. I don't think he was an option.

No credit. You guys thought he would be like the number one pick in the NFL, it seemed like, when we were discussing this. I like how we turn this into you being right. Somehow. No, the glory of this whole sandwich conversation needs to go to Wesleying, who it doesn't have to pay for a meal for roughly the next seven years. Yeah, that's right.

Chris Wesseling somehow made out with six sandwiches on Thursday night. Although, this is to be continued. We still have a couple sandwich propositions that are hanging for the next couple days. So it really doesn't matter what you are after day one. It's what you are after three days. But you're feeling pretty good. I can't hear you under the sound of this sandwich valanche. It's...

That was awful. That was just terrible. I mean, how long were you practicing that line? Hours. I picture you, like, in one of the bathrooms at the office, just saying it over and over again in the mirror. I picture me like Scrooge McDuck diving through piles of money, except there's sandwiches.

I'm glad. I hope you don't eat them after you dive into. Greg's daughter will not eat, nor will my sons or Dan's child, which is yet to be born. Landborn child will not eat. While you just, you know, continually shovel, $14 sandwiches in your mouth

haven't they say contraptions even I'm glad it was Wesley though because Dan would have been number one in my power rankings for most insufferable if he led the scoreboard

You're insufferable now and you did poorly I would have been the absolute worst I would have even hated myself so it really works out ultimately because I didn't

I would not have been able to handle that level that level of success. And the person that I would most want to do well in this competition did quite well. And that's Mark Sessler, who is up three sandwiches right now. And that's good news for the rest of us because A, Mark doesn't like sandwiches. B, he doesn't like food or meat. So I don't know what's really going to be a part of this.

We'll just give you like some fries or a slice of bread. What are you going to have, Mark? I'm going to order multiple boxes of white rice from like a local Chinese house High octane wanton soup That's pretty much what Mark eats

And you know it was a key And it just makes it all the more sweet Because it's not like Mark Picked any good propositions He had Teddy Bridgewater Not getting drafted in the first round Was wrong on that West was smart to take that sandwich

He had Bortles to the Vikings and the Browns drafting Derek Carr where he lost three sandwiches. But the key was that he picked Johnny Mansell. He hedged his bets with these two things, going to the Brown. So not only did it make your world, but you get some sandwiches for it too.

Well, and I've been a fan of John Snyder and Pete Carroll, but they are off my list after allowing the Vikings to sneak back into the first round. One of the greatest things in the newsroom was that last pick when it got traded. Greg just went from elated to like you have got to be. be kidding me Rick lost a lot of sandwiches on that one. I had sandwiches riding on that

that only two quarterbacks would get taken in the first round and we got to pick 32 and the Seahawks were on the clock and then we hear that the Vikings traded up and it was all over and this is how Wes cleaned up.

He got sandwiches for me and Mark on this one so that really hurt I am down four sandwiches I am in last place. Dan is down three sandwiches. Bad job by him and the gold standard who stupidly dipped his toe into the big kid pool wow lost his only two sandwiches possible hello gold standard how's it going sorry uh i think it's because my back is to you i haven't interacted that's all right good host man would have

i didn't want to dip my toes of the big kid cool appreciate it so that i'd note on gold standard by the way i had two uh young women that seemed to be under the age of 25 that came up to our area of the room and asked about him specifically. That's a dirty lie. Your track record of lying is off the chart. I thought that lying season was over now. All right, that just about wraps up. Do we have any other final thoughts we want to throw out there?

Any picks that you didn't like or just moments, or should we just let poor Mark and Dan get to bed? We should talk about one last thing. We haven't said a word about the first pick in the entire draft. Who? Jedevian Clowny Jedevian Clowny Oh, Jedevian

Let's go with his real name from now on Sure, I like it If you say so Get to it Texans pass up a quarterback But they get Clowny to pair With J.J. Watt That's I mean knocking around

Some pretty bad AFC South quarterbacks I like it and they have the first pick In the draft tomorrow David Carr sitting there Something like that They could take the quarterback Similar to kind of how

The Chargers reformed their Their franchise in 2001 with Drew Brees taking the second round after getting L.T. in the first. Yeah, and that always works out well, taking a car in Houston. Do we all agree the car is a little O'Brien-type quarterback and the best remaining guy? He's also the second best car in his family, the first one being the biggest quarterback bust in franchise history. Yeah, I don't think there's, I don't, it would be, that would be so delicious if they took their car. But it sounds like there's a good chance they will trade for Ryan Mallet.

and that would presumably stop them from taking a quarterback that high. Maybe they would still take one in the third or the fourth round, but if they traded for Mallet and supposedly it was going to be for a third round pick, maybe next year, I would guess. That would be awesome if they have four backup quarterbacks on their roster. Dan, I don't try to sigh so loudly that we let you off the hook. Yeah, Dan, I'm watching this in live, living color, and Dan is not in good shape right now.

It's Operation Shutdown, fellas. Derek Bell, thanks. It's two in the morning. The only difference right now is that you would be at the bar drinking at two in the morning instead. Well, I guess you do have a point there. But I do believe that Mark and I have pulled the early shift around the league tomorrow, so we're going to be uprighting high-octane content, and I just want to get my shut-eye ahead of that penculent moment in my life.

I am looking forward to everything you do, And thank you guys for staying up late with us. And congratulations to Mark. We're going to do winners and losers on the site after Friday and Saturdays rounds. But let's just be honest. Mark Sessler is the big winner of the 2014 draft. To borrow a George Bush line, way to go brownie. There's the big winner.

Marky, Marky wins. On that note, for the gold standard. And Chris Wessling, Kevin Patrick. I'm not doing the nicknames. Dan Hansis, Mark Sessler. I'm Greg Rosenthal. We will be back on Saturday night to wrap up the entire draft. So check in with us then.

We'll talk to you later. Yeah. Draft Day. Johnny Mansell. Five years later, how I'm out of man still? Draft Day. A. Wiggins. That other side.

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