NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL ATL: Summer trade targets

Episode Date: May 27, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- continues its comprehensive analysis of offseason activity, discussing the most enticing summertime trade targets across the NFL.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good to see you guys again. You were away this weekend. What a weekend. Balmer. Big wedding outside Balmar. And because I booked my flight late, I traveled through four different cities, four different airports to get this done, including, I will say, right off the top. and this is no shield shadowy league figure telling you so went through the Minnesota airport to get to Maryland by the way via Los Angeles

and one of the greatest airports I've ever been in so now I'm all in on Super Bowl 2018 It's an excellent oh that's a reason to have a Super Bowl 22 places to eat it's amazing great airport yeah I was traveling just hold the Super Bowl at the airport I was traveling with my buddy Bob and we decided all the league officials did was they landed in the airport they took a look around the concourse had some food options

and then got back and went to their respective cities. It's like, all right, let's do it. They have a new stadium. Nice airport. Mark and Greg and I were talking about this on Sunday. I think, this guy must be a really good friend for you just to fly across the country and go to his wedding. Yeah, Brian Levin, a great friend of mine. I used to live with him in Hollywood, and we go back together a long way in New York.

But that's the other thing about weddings. It's like, do they know that you're coughing up $500 to get there and then you have to give a wedding gift? What's up with that? No one getting married. Anyone getting married is so under the water at that point that they don't realize the sacrifice. But you're right. Going to a wedding is expensive. I told Greg the list of people I would cross the street to go to a wedding.

It's like five. That checks out, though. Yeah, so that and also at the wedding, there were some Around the League podcast listeners. And a lot of chatter about the team of ATL, a lot of buzz, a lot of heat. And people making suggestions. And also someone who I bumped into somebody at the wedding that thought Chris Wessling was Adam Rank. It's an outrage. That's troubling in many ways.

And I had to correct him and say, no, Chris Wessling is not Adam Rank. So it was, you know, a lot of good talk, a lot of ATL talk. That's good. We have a great show. Did I miss anything? Did you guys, anything happen this weekend that I missed? All right. No.

The checks out as well. All right. So we have a big show today. Wes, you wrote a nice piece about trade candidates that after three agency in the draft, there are some guys that don't fit anymore and could be candidates to go this summer via trade. That will be interesting. We're going to talk about that. We're going to get into Hard Knocks.

I wrote a piece predicting who the Hard Knocks team will be, so we'll kind of get everybody's opinion on who they want and who might be the most likely to do it. Gold Standard behind the glass, how are you, buddy? Doing great. Thanks, Dan. you'll hear a hey it sounds like I'm shaving back here in fact this laptop is just

it's got a whirring noise this morning I don't know what happens you could use a shave I really could though this is this is a $10 billion company and yet the studio seems to be falling apart by the week he's like a 1982 Apple 2E

Mark I want you to call Rog and tell him about the situation going on and I'll get that done Apple makes electric razors that would be weird the gold standard behind the guys I want to just give you the floor real quick before we get to news. Some sad news,

his idol, my version of Donn Mattingly, Landon Donovan left off USA's World Cup roster, Gold Standard, crushed by it. Let's let Zach say a few words. Thanks so much, Dan. Well, you know, as we all know, Landon Donovan, the greatest athlete

on planet Earth. Wow. And a kind hearted gentleman at that was cruelly axed from the United States men's national team's World Cup roster. So I'm pouring out a Frappuccino back here for him and just saying a big prayer to the big man upstairs that we'll all get through this all right and that the United States America will continue to be the greatest country on planet Earth. Wow.

See, well, you know what? That was a nice little send-off for Landon. Turned a little xenophobic, but it got turned a little bit there, like USA chance in the background. But Landon Donovan, not on the team. Actually, I'm just starting to get into soccer a little bit. We have a lot of soccer fans that listen to the podcast. And one of my greatest sports moments as a fan was being at a New York City bar at like seven in the morning when he scored that goal. The Algeria goal.

And the place just went nuts. And I remember thinking for a second I was going to become a true soccer fan. It hasn't happened yet, but Goal Center, you're pushing me that way. Yeah. The greatest athlete in the world has never won a World Cup? Well, the U.S. I don't question it, Wes. Oh, sorry.

I think the key phrase that Dan had before he sent it to you, Zach, was a few words on landing on. That's about all we need. Wow. It's fair. All right. So that was good. I wanted to give Zach the stage because I actually saw a tweet where he said something along the lines. I tried to write something and I couldn't even do it.

I was like, this guy's serious. I was really heartbroken. No, on the real. Literally crestfallen. I literally crossfallen. I never want to see that picture again. On the real, I was telling someone downstairs, I've never been starstruck around an athlete, except that one occasion

as a 10-year-old boy. Wow. Well. So like three years ago. Three years ago. This is a... But this is also, as a young man, you learn life is filled with disappointments

and you have to just overcome. It's true. I've long since made peace with disappointment, Dan. All right, great. All right, let's do some news. Let's do it. This is a football podcast. Notice how that the buzzer just turned off immediately

You want Sacks microphone. Mark, you need to get on the horn with Park Avenue on this. Yeah, Dan, I will. Okay, good. All right, we'll start in Miami where a Dolphins player, this is interesting, says that New Miami's Dolphins offensive coordinator, Bill Laser. Is that how you pronounce his name? Yes.

Awesome name. Bill Laser, who worked under Joe Gibbs, Dan Reeves, and Mike Holngren, before joining Chip Kelly's staff in Philadelphia. And this is, I like using Wes's wording in this post. If the early word out of South Beach is any indication that one year with Kelly has had the biggest influence on Lasers' offensive philosophy. Here's a quote from one undisclosed Dolphins player telling Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. It's reminiscent of Chip Kelly's offense in Philadelphia with a tempo and style. There are some West Coast offense concepts, some shotgun, some under center.

They've discussed having both no huddle and huddle. It's fast tempo. Get excited, Philadelphia. I mean, get excited. Miami? Wait, you... I don't know what that sound effect was.

It's lasers. Oh, shit and I like that sound effect for really any time we're talking high octane offenses. It's like an entire organization liftoff because there's no way this isn't true, what I just read. They are going to be better

than Philadelphia's offense based on what I'm hearing. I trust this player in Pleasant. What if he comes up against a defensive coordinator named Joe Radar. So what do we think about this? Well, I was waiting for you to weigh in since you obviously think Chip Kelly is a horrible human being. Oh, that's not true.

Oh. But are there any remote control cars on the field in Miami yet? Because that's when you know a coach is really on his game. That's what I've learned. When you know a guy, it's not about himself and drawing attention to himself. It's about improving a team any way possible. Miami will do that next year because they're just cheap following Chip Kelly. Oh, wow.

A year, it'd be too late. I do like, as a New York Jets fan and someone that's always rooted against the Domps, I do like handsome Hank, the notorious DOP, reading a story like this as a Dolphins fan and thinking it's true. Well, I think it makes Miami interesting, actually. Yeah, this has been, speaking of radar, this has been under the radar, the dolphins and the Jaguars are the two teams with the least number of 30-point games over the last two years.

They've only had two games over 30 points. They need help on offense. I think it's interesting that you've got, A, a guy. here in Layser that came from a Mike Holmgren West Coast offense. You had Pat Schumer who was in that West Coast offense. No, no, no. What a coaching trick. If you watch Pat Schumer run

an offense the way he was taught to growing up in the NFL, one of the dullest attacks on field in years, he goes into Philadelphia's rehabilitation program. We haven't heard from him since, but he's going to come out if he ever does an offense coordinator a gig, a different guy, a Chip Kelly guy. Now, Laser... Is he allowed to do anything in Philadelphia?

Well, not at this point, but Lasers Wait, who was it? What's his name? Pat Schumer? No, I've heard of him? No, not him. Bill Leaser. Bang. I just, I guess for me, when I watched with the Eagles of last year, why aren't there

22 teams doing this? Why is it two? Wait, we're giving Miami the benefit of the doubt they've already mastered it now that they've picked this up? Attempting to change offense that way. A lot of teams, the Patriots, did it a couple years ago. The Broncos did it a couple years ago. The one thing in the NFL,

though, it's not always great to be at the end of the trend. You want to be starting it. You know what I mean? Because by the time you're doing it, defenses are starting to catch up to that a couple of years later. Of course, referring to the Jets going back to the ground and pound, innovators in a new era. Forget about the passing error in the NFL. We're back to the ground.

The one thing, as a Ryan Tannehill believer, and yes, my belief is wavered slightly after a second year that was a little disappointed. But I'm happy that there's a new offense there, a new offense coordinator. Everyone always made the case. Mike Sherman is going to be great for Ryan Tannahill

because there's so much continuity between what he did in college and what he did in the pros. But what if, just think about it, what if Mike Sherman is a little bit of a millstone around Ryan Tannahill's neck? I mean, what has Mike Sherman done over the last 10 years that's so great that we should have thought that he's helping this guy? But maybe Ryan Daniel can only fulfill his potential now that Sherman's out.

I'm still trying to piece together with a millstone comment. I'm saying maybe he's just an anchor. Mike Sherman took apart the Packers. He was terrible there. He was terrible as a – he wasn't really that great as a coach in college. I'm just saying maybe Taniel will get better without Sherman. How about that? It's time to move on.

No one cares. Seems believable. Seems credible to me. Let's move on to Minnesota where Christian Ponder, who, you know, a lot of us believe that, or have believed that he's the odd man out in Minnesota after Matt Castle was resigned and then the drafting of Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe not the case. NFL's NFL media's Albert Breer reports that Ponder will share first team reps and offseason practices along with Castle and Bridgewater. Here's one little note from Brewer as well. Ponder has dropped 2% of his body fat and gained five pounds of muscle. per brieer.

I don't know if his fitness was an issue, but Wes, what do you think about this? He also has 42% improved torque. Oh, okay. I always thought he needed a better torque. None of that stuff means anything. Yeah. I like the Wesleyan points out that part of that five pounds

of added muscle is the first sale sign around his neck. Oh. Wow. Bang. Whoa. So that's what this is all about. Is that fair to say? That's not what Albert's report was, but that's what I inferred from it.

Why else would you re-sign Castle, draft Bridgewater, and then start giving Ponder first-team reps? Maybe Rick Spielman, who drafted Ponder, still has, in the back of his mind, just a little bit of hope that, hey, here's a new coach for Christian Ponder, North Turner, who done a great job with quarterbacks. maybe just maybe he could make my terrible draft book look better and there's a little bit of a chance. Maybe that's all it is. Spilman is lucky to still be a general manager in Minnesota after the quarterback disaster that went on week after week last year and getting rid of ponder and cleaning up this mess

sooner than later would be advised. He undermined any belief in ponder by picking Teddy Bridgewater. Let's move to Indianapolis where Pep Hamilton is getting all in behind a wide receiver group that has the potential to be one of the best in the league this year. Here's a quote from Hamilton. We're going to be a score first team. We're going to do whatever we need to do to score one more point than our opponent, which, I don't know, that's kind of a funny quote in general.

It's like, well, obviously, bro. That's a good idea. Scoring more than the opponent. Yeah, and so basically the bottom line here is instead of really trying to force the run with a backfield of question marks, you got Trent Richardson, Vic Ballard, and Ahmad Ratchah. You have Andrew Luck. We're going to let Andrew Luck lead the way, which makes plenty of sense.

He essentially have a backfield that's a poo-poo platter. Bradshaw coming off a neck surgery that some people thought was going to threaten his career. Vic Ballard coming off ACL injury and Trent Richardson coming off 2.9 yards per carry. Why would you design your offense around the backfield, which is what Pap Hamilton tried to do last year, and it appeared for a couple games early in the season when they knocked the 49ers around, beat the Seahawks, that maybe they could get away with a physical attack, but it doesn't really fit their personality. And that was my hesitation in making the Colts around the league's team that Pep Hamilton's philosophy was not suited to his personnel.

It was just a stubborn thing he had gone for himself. I think it's one of the more encouraging messages Colts fans could hear all offseason is that Hamilton's kind of not unlike Ron Rivera to some degree, he's going to grow, he's willing to change. And I would argue that if Bradshaw had stayed healthy and Ballard had stayed healthy last season, this team might not have made that Trent Richardson trade. I think that that marriage to that type of offense

forced them have to keep restock and get that running back in to do what Pep Hamilton wanted to do took him into a dark corner it takes a lot for them to back out and listen Andrew Luck is as a guy like Ben Rothesberger like some of the better quarterbacks that can run an offense and do everything with his arm

let him free. Maybe he's just not going to wait Pep Hamilton that is to fall behind in games to actually uncork the offense that's their best approach to score scoring points. Maybe at an epiphany in the Kansas City game. Hey, we can score 45 points if we just let Andrew Luck and the best players on the field take control instead of waiting. And I think they started to segue into that sort of offense late. I just hope it's not all talk that

Pep Hamilton isn't stuck, you know, in that Stanford run first mentality. Michael Vick continues to send some mixed signals in New York last week. Remember, he said that I believe his wording was he's competing in he'll be competing this summer with gino smith but he's not in an open competition now he says he could take the jets to their first super bowl since joan name it here's this quote i just feel like i can help any football team any organization particularly this team which makes sense get to a super bowl it's tough at this stage of my career because i still feel like i'm fairly young player and i could still keep up people make it seem like i'm getting older which he is and things are not the same i beg to differ

It's almost like he's responding to his other quotes. Like, hey, remember I was backing off last week? Now I'm back again. He has one more quote. I think Gino is going to be the starter. I think he's going to start the season off. I think Gino has every opportunity to go out and have success. He's going to get that opportunity.

My two takeaways immediately is, number one, he's saying that Gino will be given the job because organizationally he's supported, which I thought from the beginning. But he's also saying Gino Smith isn't that good. I'm better. I'm going to take his job. He's saying it. right there in a quote in May. And the other thing is, Michael Vick had, quiet down, Mike.

Well, that's my takeaway that Michael Vick's been the center of attention in Philadelphia for the last few years, and he's had a lot of media attention ever since he left jail. But New York is different. It's not the same as Philadelphia. And I just starting to think hearing Vic talk every week, it's going to be such a roller coaster, and it's going to be such drama week after week because he's on the Jets. As bad as the Eagles reporters are in terms of just mixing it up and just the Eagles are a big story there,

it's not like New York. And I'm just foreseen this nonstop roller coaster of what Vic says in New York and it ultimately being annoying to Dan and other Jets fans. Yeah, I think it is going down that road potentially. And Dan, who wagered a sandwich that Michael Vick would be the backup. week one and I wagered the opposite. I don't like where Dan's at at that bet right now. I think that sandwich is going my way

because this guy is a great A nuisance and this is what the Glacier signed up for because after all months and months of what a great teammate Michael Vick is and I don't doubt that, in the end he keeps weaving these comments and how many posts have we written on Michael Vick and his take on the quarterback scenario at this point? 23.

I don't think he means anything by it. I think it's just now that it's in New York he's going to end up saying a few loose things that get played different ways and I have no problem with him being competitive and thinking he's still the guy he once was, I just think he needs to not talk so much because

like Greg said, this is not Philadelphia, this is New York, and New York is the press wants this to be a thing, and he's just feeding the monster. The press will ensure this is a thing. Right, it's got to be a thing. Not even just the local press, the national press will too. And part of the problem he's asked the question over and over and over and

over. Put them away. Don't force him to talk to anyone. him away. Get this guy out of here. Get him the man's out of way. He should put him in the underground bunker where the real Rex Ryan is. Just keep them together. They'll get along.

They need friends. All right. So that is some of the news from over the weekend. On Friday, I was working in the office alone. It turned out to be a black Friday. A lot of depressing news. I don't know what you guys are doing on Friday. I'm sure you had nice days.

My day was filled with court filings and arrests. and, you know, people being happy to get misdemeanors instead of felonies. It was really not fun. And why don't we just go through it real quick, a quick rundown? It starts with the cults owner, Jim Ursay, who, you know, he was arrested back in March on a traffic stop for a suspicion of intoxicated driving. The filing of the legal work got delayed because he went to rehab for his issues. and now it came down on Friday two misdemeanor charges on four uh two misdemeanor charges connected to that arrest so this leads to a lot of

interesting things like uh you know what will happen he's fortunate that the charges weren't more serious but also it does leave him wide open for league discipline from roger he'll be suspended which will not affect the product on the field it will just mean instead of watching the game from his high octane opulent owner's suite he will watch the game in his high-octane opulent home I picture him in like jewel-encrusted thrones watching these games with like people serving him banana smoothies

people banana smoothies sounds good well it's going to be nothing more than a banana smoothie people are going to be around the sports world very interested to see the punishment that Roger Goodell gives to Ursae players will be very interested very closely yeah I think that's fair fair to say

and we'll see we'll see the sendings and it was a very strange story Dan You know, I was on with you at the time, and, you know, there was a statement for Mersey thanking the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office for not issuing or filing a felony charge against him, which that's just a first for me that there was, it was a thank you to the, to the office for their professionalism and not fine the felony, which would have been for prescription medication. So the whole situation is uncomfortable. He'll get some sentencing, and then we'll see what the NFL does. Can we stop calling for suspensions before the legal process runs his course? With the exception of Ben Rothlisberger, Gidell has not suspended people before the legal process happens. So it's not going to happen with the owner either.

One of the more unsettling moments of Friday revolved around Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice and his wife, Janay, who together addressed the media in what was called a news conference, but really wasn't. He read a prepared statement off his handheld phone. And it was really kind of surreal watching the press conference unfold. He did not acquit himself well. It was some of the things he said were a little touchy. And then, you know, the quotes didn't read like a guy apologizing for this serious incident. He was involved.

At one point, it seemed like he thanked a high school coach or a college coach. And he had quotes like, I'm still the same guy, you know, as me and Jenei wish we could take back 30 seconds of our life. We are better parents, better lovers. and were also better friends after this situation. The whole thing was weird, and it did not come off well for Ray Rice. It was just one of the more strange press conferences ever seen in my life, and I think I must have had the same reaction that everyone that watched it did, which is, why are they holding this press conference?

I think the idea was to smooth things over with him publicly, but it just was one of those private matters that felt like it should have kept private. It was so awkward to watch. To your point, it was uncomfortable. I noticed that the Twitter mob was out in full force really having a hard time with the fact that he did not apologize to his wife in public of course he's apologized to her in private they got married the next day or something so I think if you're going to call the charade you got to you should do it in that

right I think it's a personal thing but I don't think he has to answer to the Twitter mob I totally agree with that but again that bings up why are we even why are we even talking about it It should have, it felt like such a private thing. Why are you trying to make it into this news? It was very strange to see a wife sitting there at the dais with the team. She apologized, too. But there's no coach in GM. There's no one else.

It was just a strange look. The timing of it was dumped right before Memorial Day. More misdemeanor fun. Bronco safety, T.J. Ward has been charged with simple assault and disturbing the peace after an incident at a Denver nightclub earlier this month, according to authorities. This also happened on Friday. Ward appeared in court that day. As you might have been aware,

a warrant had been issued for his arrest last Thursday. That warrant was vacated Friday, but he still has charges. June 23rd is the next date. This is obviously not a great thing. The Bronco spent a lot of money to bring this guy in, solidify their secondary, and now he has a court case hangover's head

right when all these summer football activities are beginning. And were you at Brown, he'd be suspended for 12 to 16 games? Man, it is sticking with you, this Josh Gordon thing. It's a rough date. I'm watching what happens to all these guys in comparison to that. I mean, it was a rough day for the Broncos. Their personnel executive, Matt Russell, was sentenced to seven months in jail as well. For DUI, first time DUIs.

Got the book thrown at him. I think the idea was this was about as ugly a day of news that I can ever remember. I'm not done yet. There's one more. There was a fake hoax filed against Johnny Mansell. another Cleveland Brown, Mark. So you answer to this. No, there's nothing to answer to.

The whole thing was a charade, if you will, perpetrated by some, you know, goober that wanted to get some publicity, someone that's filed tons of lawsuits against prominent people, quickly shot down by Mansell's people, and then it sounds like Johnny Football might even be taking some legal action

against the person that perpetrated the hoax. You were a factory of sadness. Oh, that's not fair. I was talking about her. I was talking about her. Outrageous. Not your team. Outrageous.

You and your soccer players. If you read through the accusations and that lawsuit, it was bizarre. Creative. Can we read any of them on air? No, I don't know. Long John Silver's was mentioned prominently. A Vienna sausage? Yeah, that was mentioned.

Was in the mix? Why is that allowed that people can just file lawsuits and it's accepted by the courts? It just seems weird to me. Couldn't someone be like, yeah, I don't think this one's for real. I don't think, you know, shouldn't there be some quality control? I don't know. I was going to say that it's beyond my grasp. That part of the responsibility is the media's decision not to pick it up, but I'm looking

across the room and there's a Greg Rosenthal byline with this exact story attached to it. It's an interesting question. It's an interesting question. Greg paid by the click, by the way. I don't know if you know. No, stop. It's an interesting question. We, of course, ignored it because it's.

so ridiculous until the point that we didn't ignore it no until the point that his agent comes out and publicly says hey this thing out here is a hoax and then that and the headline news contributor that it was filed under that supposedly she comes out and says hey this is a hoax and then Ian reports that it was filed by this guy that was a frequent flyer person that just files a lot of what kind of life do you have to be that guy that would easily be one of us if we At that point, they're making a statement, you've got to do it. By the way, if Friday is kind of how I imagine hell, if hell was always working around the league shipped in a newsroom.

It would just be story after story after story like that, only it would never end until the end of time. This would be a good podcast topic. My version of hell, how I imagined it, is always you have an ice cream headache forever. I've never had an ice cream headache. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough.

That's tough. That's bad. That's like people being afraid of clowns. I don't really believe in ice cream headaches. Well, you don't think they exist. I've never had me. Wes is a unique person. It seems like a bit of a prima donic tactic to me.

I have an ice cream headache. I can't stop eating so much ice cream. Well, it's potentially self-created because it's like, oh, I'm going to scoop a bunch of cold stuff into my mouth and then I'm going to complain about it. Right, but it only lasts 15 seconds. So I don't think people are like, I'm not coming into work today. Put the scoop down, Suzy. You've never had it. Have you ever had an ice cream headache?

You ever had a slurpy? You ever had a slurpy and then taking a gulp of a slurpy and then it went to your head? We had peanut butter and water when I was kids. We didn't have slurpees. How old are you was? It's like two pieces of metal being pressed against your stuff. That's not even a thing, peanut butter. That sounds awful.

Peanut butter and water. All right. By the way, Wes says new glasses. New specs. Do you want to talk about it? I don't really. I like them. I think they look nice.

Yeah, thank you. All right. That is covered. Check it off the list. Talking about Wes's glassware. It's not on the list. No, it's not on the list. All right, let's move forward.

So we're done. That's it. No more depressing news talk. I hope another day like that doesn't come until the afterlife. Chris Wesleying, we referred to it earlier. Ten summertime trade candidates. You were involved heavily with the Round the League projected starters series, which everyone can still access.

Is there a what they call a vanity link to get to that? NFL.com. slash projected starters. A bang, hubba, hubba. Vanity link. We put them all. They finished up on Monday, so they're still fresh and out of the oven. Yeah, so, Wes, you had a lot of work you put into that.

And now when you were going through these teams, some prominent players jumped out to you as guys that no longer fit. So let's throw it to you. You listed in your post on the Around the League blog on the Around the League page, 10 players. And we'll start with number one, which was interesting to me. Someone we talked about earlier. Well, this idea came about to borrow one of Mark's new favorite phrases, a callback. You know how we had Hermie the dentist on the last show? Yes.

This is like the island of misfit toys. Players that no longer really fit with their team. Christian Ponder, we talked about earlier, why wouldn't, if you were the Packers or the Saints or maybe the Falcons, sixth round pick, Christian Ponder, still has some developmental upside to him, first round skill set, better than what you have on your roster. Get him for a conditional six-rounder or something. Saints especially. Wouldn't that be a good pairing him and Sean Peyton?

Not as a quarterback of the future, but as a better backup plan than what these teams have joined up. Instead of wasting a sixth-round pick on a guy who will never start a game for you, maybe try to develop Ponder's, sign him to a three-year deal. If Breeze does get hurt, Ponders plays well. Maybe you can get a third-round pick for him from somebody down the road. You have another quarterback on this list at number two, a guy that's been floated in trade rumors, really.

I feel like since the dawn of time, Ryan Mallet, quarterback of the Patriots, potential landing spots, according to Chris Wesleying, the two Texas teams, Houston Texans, and Dallas Cowboys. Right, the Texans have been connected to him, like you said, for eons. Cowboys, Kyle Orton wants to retire. Cowboys make a lot of sense to me, especially if they're in a contract standoff right now with Orton,

and if that doesn't happen, I could see Mallet happening. And the Cowboys are flirting with disaster, despite the fact that I was once a fan of the man, to turn the team potentially over to Brandon Whedon, if Romo gets hurt, which he's had some issues with durability of late, you're basically flushing your season down the toilet. By the way, their other backup is Caleb Haney. So you essentially have recreated 50% of Cleveland's quarterback roster from a season ago. Why would you do that? And the wrong 50% too.

Which is a really bad statement. Would you guys rather have Ryan Mallet or Christian Ponder if you had to win some games this season? I think I would take Ponder. I would always take a guy that's... Listen, Ponder has got a lot to leave desired, but he's started before. And I also think of that Week 17 game in 2012. He showed there's something there, yeah, and he's had moments. He's better than some starters that have seen.

He gets mentioned among, like, this huge, gigantic bust. I compared him a little bit to a young, rich Gannon. If you strain hard enough, Ganon bounced around the league for a better part of a decade before he finally got his shot. Similar athletically and similarly gifted as a passer, I think Gannon probably saw the field a lot better than Ponder. I'd also take Ponder over Orden.

I wouldn't. Well, Orden doesn't want to play football right now, so that's an issue. That seems like a problem. Well, I deal in the present. All right, bouncing. I'm out on the list a little bit. One name that jumped out to me because it's still,

I know he might not be a scheme fit, but it was just a year ago that they moved up all the way at number three in the draft to get Dionne Jordan, the Dolphins. West, you have him as number six on this list, and you list the Eagles, Colts, Jets, Saints, and Titans as all potential suitors. Your thoughts on this?

I wrote this, and then two days later, all the reports out of Dolphins' minicamp this morning were that it looked like someone took a blow-up some kind of blow-up tool to his muscles and shoulders. Wow. That now he looks like a defensive end, whereas before he looked like a 3-4 outside linebacker. I still don't know where he plays for the Dolphins

because they have Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon at defensive end. Figure it out. How hard can it be? They're all good at football. I don't know. Isn't that their job? They should figure it out. They trade it up to number three to draft a rotational.

No, they should find a way to have them on the field like a starter. The issue is they didn't figure it out last year. Cessler, take somebody off this list, and let's talk. You know, for me, this concept that the Titans struggling to even be a relevant, interesting team, go and draft a tackle, and now they're going to potentially trade Michael Roos. Are you kidding me? I mean, so you're going to have Michael Ower as your other guy? I also.

You're not even upgrading the position overall if you're moving him after taking a rookie. And if I'm the Panthers, if I'm the Panthers, sue you have as a potential landing spot. That makes a lot of sense. Well, there's always salary cap issues. And Roos has a $6 million salary. Panthers have about $6 million in cab space. They'll need more of that for the offseason. Greg, do you have a name that jumps out of you? Well, this isn't got to be the one that gets big headlines. But Rob Hausler, I was looking at that one too, jumped out to me. Just because I don't see why the Cardinals would want to trade him.

And I know he hasn't lived up to maybe the hopes that the Cardinals had when they originally drafted him, and that was a different regime. Bruce Ariens doesn't use the tight end to catch the ball that much. But he adds a little something, and they like having four wide receivers all lined up wide, and Houser can do that. And when he gets the ball with a little space, he's got some speed.

Even if he's the fifth receiver on that team, I think he adds something to them. Yeah, I like those Cardinals, so I hope they keep him. I put him on this list because I don't think Ariens will use it. I just don't think he fits that offense. And what good does it do to play him for 15 snaps a game if you can get a draft pick for him? Ariens is someone that you might not see Haussler, for instance, for three or four games,

but then suddenly he'll have a 7 for 80, and it's not bad to have that guy in your back pocket. Especially when you've got Logan Thomas at tight-end. It's a similar point you made with Dionne Jordan, Greg. It's like if you've got a guy that can play, maybe figure out a way how to use him. Houseler. Housler for the win. He's in like in the Cumbie category of overlooked tight ends with heat. A two-person category

All right Before we go I want to talk about Hard Knocks I wrote a piece That went up on Monday Predicting who I thought Would be the team of Hard Knocks

And I broke it down And I kind of focused on the eight teams That are not protected By the NFL's new bylaws There are three ways You can avoid Hard Knocks By the way And teams seem to love to avoid Hard Knocks

A first year coach is in place A playoff berth in the past two seasons a hard-knox appearance in the past 10 years, so that eliminated all but eight teams. We've seen some reports. Pro Football Talk reported last week that there are potential teams that will volunteer to do it,

so you've got to keep that in mind from the list that's not among the eight. But then I broke down a list of the eight teams, which are Jaguars, Raiders, Steelers, Bills, Cardinals, giants, Rams and Bears, and I settled on the Bears as the team that I thought made the most sense and also would kind of be a fun team to watch.

And I had the Rams at number two, another team that made a lot of sense, and then you can't avoid the Michael Sam subplot, which obviously must be catnip to Hard Knocks producers. Your thoughts, gentlemen. I like seeing the Cardinals here on that list. Greg, all in on the cards. One of the teams that were circling for the team of around the league. It'd be great to have an NFL film's document of what it was like

for a dark horse team on their way to a surprising Super Bowl championship. Bruce Ariens and the boys. All right, that'll be fine. I like the Raiders, to be honest with you. I'm looking at this vulnerable eight, as you called them. I like that. They just get picked off. No one really wants to do this show.

But Oakland, if you have a camera trained on Mark Davis for three straight hours, I'm sure you get some nuggets out of that. Raiders would be great. Right? I mean, that's a bizarre team. They would never allow it, I feel like. But they have to, right? Well, unless there's a way to fight it behind the scenes.

which I suspect is, like the Steelers and Giants are on this list. But I don't know, I find it hard to believe that they would be forced to do it, knowing the amount of clout they have behind the scenes. But I don't know. I mean, I would love to see, for instance, the Giants or Steelers two kind of dynasty franchises in this league, see how they're run from behind the scenes. I would really enjoy that. I mean, the four teams I also ruled out immediately, just no chance.

The Niners, I wrote that Jim Harbo would literally rather die than. be on the show. I stand by that. The Packers, I just don't see the team wanting to do that, or the HBO being that interested in Mike McCarthy that close to their proximity for that long. The Broncos, Peyton Manning's shooting that one down.

They spent a season on Joe Philbin. That's true. That's a really fair point. That was a good season. He was sneaky charismatic though, Joe. Joey Pee. Who do you want? Remember picking up gum on the field and tying shoelaces? Good man. Who do you guys want to see? Like who would, who would

you like to watch anybody with the rams why do you say that i think the rams are a strong candidate though because i feel like they let then it becomes a media then it becomes a circus look i'm fascinated by michael sam's career but i don't want to talk about it 24 hours a day and the media tends to do that right it would be it would be a big part of the show but it also i could see there's obvious reasons why they would want that involved it's just a matter of the rams who seemed to be unhappy that Sam had been getting involved with that Oprah reality show that got shot down. Now they would then turn around and say, hey, come in.

Maybe it was HBO that was unhappy that Oprah was getting in their grill. Oh, conspiracy theory. I like it. Yeah, Greg, who do you want on it? Well, I just said. Are you serious about that? Carson Palmer was so dynamic in the 2009 hard-knock season. Get him back on.

And Antonio Cromartney is on the Cardinals. You'd love to check back in see if you can name his children. Yeah, I really do think. Arians is fantastic as a personality. You've got to have a good coach. And then there's a lot of talent. It just seems like that would be a darnel docket following him around. There's enough Patrick Peterson.

I like that. There's enough personalities on that team. I think you've swayed me on this one. And let me again, let me try again to make the case for the Bears because you have, obviously, a lot of history with that franchise. You have the serious star party. You got Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte, Alshon Jeffrey. Mark Tresman, who I really, he's a mysterious dude. He spells his name with a C.

Any mark with a C, there's an air of mystery around him I've found in my travels in life. And he just seems kind of like an interesting dude I'd like to know about. It's a solid pin. You have Martellus Bennett, who is one of the funniest guys in the NFL. And even, I'm not as big a fan of his comedic stylings, but Jared Allen is in the mix there. He would be fun to track for five weeks. And this team could go to the Super Bowl. I like when there's some Super Bowl heat attached to a team.

Yeah, that's good. The Bears can go to the Super Bowl? Listen, crazier things have happened. Wow. Really? You don't think there's any chance? No, I don't think they have the defense for it. There is something Wizard of Oz like about Mark Tressman.

Yeah, there's something. I want to see. What is he cooking up? What's going on behind the Great and Powerful Oz? All right, gentlemen. It is time to go. The Great Rich Eisen is coming into the studio, and we need to clear out. Because there's a pecking order here at the NFL. That's not fair.

What? Okay, there is a pecking order. Yes. So we are going to head on out of here. We will be back on Thursday with our second show. We're only going to do two shows this week, right, Mark? That is correct. We'll have a show posting Thursday afternoon.

I like that your instinct was to ask me that question. I turn to you for all things, Mark with a C. But yeah, until Thursday, this is Dan Hansa, signing off for the mailman, the sizzler, the boss and the gold standard, the crestfallen, literally crestfallen, literally Crestwall and Gold Standard behind the glass. Until Thursday. Do you need your mic on the whole time? In the heat of battle, your squad relies on. Don't let them down. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming and performance that won't so you can push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next

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