NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Draft Predictions & Lamar Jackson Talk

Episode Date: April 24, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- start with a birthday shoutout to The Ol' Zeuser with a lovely song. They discuss the latest news, including... Peter King’s thoughts on the No. 1 overall pick (6:00), more bad news for Dez Bryant (9:30) and Gronk returns to Gillette Stadium- but not for team workouts (12:00). The heroes are joined by Spice Rack to discuss Lamar Jackson’s draft stock (24:00) and they make some “Go Get My Lunch” draft predictions (39:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:36 Hey, Dan. Not just, hey, Dan. How about happy birthday, Dan Hansis? Yes. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Okay. Oh, come.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Why does it rotate? My wife calls me Wolfman. Okay, I reloaded. There will be blood. Damn you all the hell. Is this who I am? How does rain work? Somebody's salty.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Ooh, keep an eye on the browns. They're special. Hang on a second. I have another phone call. This one's for Dan. This one's for Dan. This one's for Dan. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Also, that one's for Dan. Happy birthday. Hey, Dan, this is Brett Veach. Happy birthday, buddy. Very well done There we go Wow Lindsay
Starting point is 00:02:33 Big ups to Lindsay Let's he put that together In a very limited amount of time today That's a professional And did you guys Record Vox there as well Or is that just taking it? Little bit at her prompting
Starting point is 00:02:45 We did a little bit of It was big of Mr. Beach to call it last week It was It was You haven't been hit with a cease and desist From Brad Beach yet It's coming He's sent it by snail mail
Starting point is 00:02:56 so it'll be here soon. Don't think I didn't have to Google how to send a voice memo. Well, thank you very much, Lindsay. And, oh, getting tweets today. Oh, are you taking today off? No. No, let's on how this one. There are no days off here.
Starting point is 00:03:10 We are in draft week. No days off. Me and Belichick, maybe we're more alike than I'd like to admit. No days off. Because it's grind time. It is. The draft is less than four days away now. Shut up, Bill.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And we have so, we have, you know, just get here, please get here. You know, I've already said multiple times in the past two weeks, they should move the draft up. Today, when I was sitting in our little cubicles, those doomed cubicles, Greg, that really, especially on your birthday for whatever reason and you're starting to get older, you start to wonder what you're really doing. And I'm sitting in this cubicle, almost trapped. You might as well put bars around it as the way I felt. Time actually stopped. And I was looking around to see if anybody else noticed for about 90 seconds straight, time stopped. And that's what it really feels like with the draft.
Starting point is 00:04:05 It's got to get here. It's on Thursday, but come on, clock. The best time for the draft is always a week before the current date. Put it in the rear view mirror always. Yeah, absolutely. And we are so excited to bring back one of our favorite games at the end of today's show. Go get my lunch. You total degenerate, the draft edition.
Starting point is 00:04:31 So big, big, big wage, Wes, you put pressure on yourself for the free agency. Didn't work out? Even more pressure here, you would say, correct? I don't know if I want to approach this as a competitive person or not. I don't know if I've given up on that or not. Yeah, I think you could look at it as a total lack of pressure since there's no repercussions to winning or losing or do sandwiches ever get exchanged. Well, that's not necessarily true, though. just a matter of the people that are losing
Starting point is 00:04:58 have got to cough up some sandwiches. Well, that's, you're pointing at me because when I look at the way that they've, you know, put the tally together on the go get my lunch.org, Nick Fortier, nice job there. I owe every single person sandwiches and not a single person owes me anything.
Starting point is 00:05:14 It's been, well, we'll go through before we get into this year's props for the draft. We'll look quickly back at last year's draft and I just have to say, I was flabbergasted by a couple of your props last year, Mark. There's a reason why you tend to owe more than your owed. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And this last year's draft was a perfect distillation of that. We'll get to that in a little bit. Yeah, when we're dedicating only three props each time, don't use one or two in each show on the end of the earth or the end of, you know, the event that we're covering. The thing is, here's the way I look at it. No one really remembers almost anything anyone wagered at all. If I got an apocalyptic scenario correct, it's getting picked up by CNN. It's getting picked up all around the place by multiple media outlets.
Starting point is 00:06:00 And that's all that anyone remembers. Yeah, but no one would remember because the world would be ending. No, portions of the world will. I feel like it would be of the top headline, though, that thing happened. It would be a sidebar. NFL NFL Scribe predicted this. Bang, it's going to be a whole documentary. Like a legend in my mind.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Thank you. Right. Just before you and everyone you love ceased to exist, you'll have the knowledge that so many listeners of our show, their last thought will be like, well, I guess Mark was right. He called it. Well, Greg, Greg can cling to the fact that he picks like a second, you know, a second tier Packers running back, getting the fourth amount of guaranteed money in free agency. Well, that's a legacy.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Sit on that. Maybe you'll get like a Gilbrand, um, shadow account runner tweet. I like that. I mean, that's big. Yeah. That is big. Before the fireball hits the earth, props to Mark Sessler who knew all along. that this was happening.
Starting point is 00:06:56 I'd be, that would wrap it at that point, curtains, baby. We also have a special guest we're going to get on the show to talk about another draft prospect and then some news. In fact, let's get to the news, Ms. Fulton, because the top of the news regards Mark's favorite team who's picking first in the draft. You know, those videos, Odell's got little left to center, let's say. I'm not a fan of those.
Starting point is 00:07:20 But he's the best wide receiver in the league. All right. We start with the Cleveland Browns and Monday morning quarterback founder, sled dog icon of the NFL sports writing business. Peter King wrote in his latest Monday morning quarterback column that a source he, quote, trusts who is very, quote, well connected and quote, very often right, said that the Browns won't take why. Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen at number one. And that is in contrast with the steady drumbeat, Mark Sessler, that the Browns would or were in love with Josh Allen and his upside. We don't have to dig back in because we just did it last week on the show about all the reasons why you might not want to take Josh Allen at number one. But what I take out of this report and even King acknowledges, you're kind of a slave to your sources this time of year. It doesn't mean you're right.
Starting point is 00:08:21 But it seems that it's starting now to swing back to Sam Darry. now as we get to the final days before the draft. And I frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a leak in the next 24 to 48 hours that Donald is the man. Do you agree? Yeah, I do agree. And I can't help but remember when the Rams were all but guaranteed to take Jared golf.
Starting point is 00:08:40 And it sure felt like the league got in the ear of the Rams and said, please bring this to the 11th hour. Don't sell this down the river with four or five days to go. I don't think that John Dorsey's out there telling anyone, anyone that knows Peter King or anyone else at this point what he's going to do. But I think the building, I think my guess would be inside the building that there's been healthy debate over two quarterbacks. And I don't think that it is Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:09:05 I think it was probably coming down to Darnold and Baker Mayfield. And right now, Darnold's the guy that the combine, when the combine began, everyone said it is Darnold hands down. Then everything happened. And we're back there, like you said. I just think that barring a surprise, they're going to go with what seems to them, like the safer pick in Darnold. I don't think it's the guy that I want,
Starting point is 00:09:28 but it's the guy they want. Well, Chris Ballard was in Kansas City. What's your favorite type of frog? With John Dorsey. And he said on Good Morning Football last week that Dorsey wouldn't tell him who he was taking. He wouldn't tell anyone in the room. That you could get a guess or a feel,
Starting point is 00:09:48 but he would listen to everyone. And I was assuming he was basically talking about the Patrick Mahomes that he, Even a guy who's working with him didn't know what he was going to do. So that's why it's tough to really know from the outside, but it makes sense. Definitely makes sense. Did you, Mark, did you say you don't want them to take Donald the number one? Who do you want them to take?
Starting point is 00:10:09 I couldn't have been wrong on almost every quarterback they picked all along. So this means nothing, but I just sort of want Rosen or Baker Mayfield. I don't know why. I just, it's something about one of those. Cessler has a Cessler. No, I actually feel like I don't have Cesslers about Brown's draft picks anymore, because, again, I've been wrong a million times, but... You and everybody else.
Starting point is 00:10:29 There's been a lot of Brown's draft picks that look good in the moment. The massive flood of unaccountable scouts inside that organization that have failed over and over and over. So please get it right. Well, they have been fired repeatedly. True, but they're making a lot of money after the fact for doing hideous things. It's actually the same scouts that get fired and rehired. No one's noticed. It's just the same people.
Starting point is 00:10:45 That explains so much. In other news, oh, another topic. We don't need to spend a ton of time on, but we'll check in on. Willie Sneed officially to become a member of the Ravens rap sheet reported the Saints will not match Baltimore's offer that was made to Sneed. He signed that on Friday, two years up to $10.4 million, $7 million base. The Saints had five days to match that and they decided not to. So Sneed joins the Ravens better fit, Wes. I love the fit.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And it's interesting to me that outside of the flyer on RG3, essentially the only moves the Ravens' have done so far this off season have been to the wide receiver core and they've overhauled the entire wide receiver core. John Brown was a very interesting flyer on a speedy guy. Michael Crabtree, Willie Sneed. To me, this is a major, major upgrade
Starting point is 00:11:39 over Jeremy Macklin, Mike Wallace, and Prasad Paraman or Chris Moore, whoever they had on the field last year. Bad news for Des too when we touched on that, but the Ravens take the Ravens off the list. We heard the report that the Giants aren't interested. He's not going to the Eagles. The Redskins apparently not interested.
Starting point is 00:11:57 This could take a while for Des. Feels like the Harbaugh-slash-flacco era somewhat depends on continuing on making these receivers work, Sneed, Crabtree Brown, and that passing game. I think they didn't want to go into the draft having to feel the pressure to draft a wide receiver in the first. There aren't a lot. I could see one or two wide receiver's tops going in the first round potentially. And I think they maybe want to use that pick if someone felt to them like Lamont. Mark Jackson on a quarterback. And I just want to say, I think they've improved their wide receiver group,
Starting point is 00:12:29 but John Brown, Michael Crabtree, Sneed, none of these guys can't miss to be productive players next year. It still feels very much a crapshoot whether the Ravens are going to be moving the ball. But the one thing we do know is that Justin Tucker is going to kick the shit out of the ball and it's going to go right between those uprights. I would say that consistently. I would say one thing about that wide receiver core, though, they complement each other really well. It's not like they went out and tried to find three. Number ones.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Yeah, you're right. They found Sneed in the slot, crab trees, your red zone guy, and Job Browns, your deep threat. Meanwhile, on the throne of slees, Rob Grunkowski was at Gillette Stadium. Good news, Patriots fans. Here's the bad news. It was on behalf of the Monster Energy Supercross team.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Gromk was at a dirt bike gala. I didn't know that was the thing that existed, but you learn a lot. At least still. When you follow Gronk in the offseason, there was also a press conference at this dirt bike gala. I keep on stopping myself from saying dirtbag gala But I guess in my youth
Starting point is 00:13:29 The kids that not a lot of kids had dirt bikes But it was very popular in the 80s and movies and stuff Like oh he's got a dirt bike Usually you were a dirt bag A rougher set of a child would be roaming around On the dirt bike probably get into fisticuffs Anyway Gronk was asked about his status for the 2018 season
Starting point is 00:13:48 During this Monster Energy Super Cross press conference Here's what he had to say. I've been riding dirt bikes. I've been trained really hard. I can vroom, brum, really good. I can ride that bike like no other. And my speed is up today. Are you still contemplating retirement from football?
Starting point is 00:14:07 Depends how my race is still to go today. And of note, the top headline on Patriots.com on Sunday read, Granc Presser, a quote, bad look. And that was taken from a commentary. from WEEI, a local sports talk station in Boston. Guys, is Gronk trying to get himself traded right now? Greg, is it a big deal? The crafts must be excited
Starting point is 00:14:32 because he was trying to get people into the stadium for the motocross event that day at Gillette that they're making money off of. So it's all good. One way to shade that news story. It's all part of the game. All right, kissing cousins, your thoughts? 100% of the reactions I saw after this
Starting point is 00:14:50 basically took it as grunt giving Belichick the middle finger. Yes, that's fair. Well, the second answer where they were like, are you going to report to workouts? And he basically was just sort of a hard no. It's like there would have maybe been a different way to kind of tone shift that answer to say, hey, he's not really good at tone shifting.
Starting point is 00:15:07 No, he's not. Not really a gifted improv actor. I don't know. You listen to gronk in any transcript. I'm not making fun of the guy. He's very successful and extremely wealthy. Seems to have a nice family support system. and, you know, it's done well in his life.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Not usually any sentence, really. They don't come out too well. You know, he's not going to be able to give you an artfully crafted non-answer answer. Do you plan on attending the optional workouts that are upcoming? No. Why? Got dirt biking skills to work. Just a bit dismissive.
Starting point is 00:15:38 I think he, I think at Jolette Stadium, it is a troll job of the Patriots. And I'm wondering if he really is really trying to get traded and then getting the new contract with wherever he gets traded. And then it makes me wonder how feasible that remains, especially with the draft a couple days away. He's just, he's trying to annoy them. It certainly seems like there was a report, though, that they're fully expecting that he's not retiring, that they don't even think that's an option at this point,
Starting point is 00:16:04 which seems germane. But to your point, you know, on a scale of like shocking things Bill Belichick has done as a general manager, how high up would trading Rob Grinkowski on draft they be? At this point, like he's done more shocking things than that. I don't think that would be up there. It would be up there, but it wouldn't be that crazy. I just think it's not going to happen primarily because I don't think they're going to,
Starting point is 00:16:27 they wouldn't be able to get a great, great offer for him. And that's the only reason why they would be. Now they think about it, what would be a bigger stunner from Belichick in all-time trading the greatest tight end in the history of football in the middle of his prime? Back to the Vikings. Would that be bigger than Grog? I think it was. I remember being, that was the most shocking trade I remember.
Starting point is 00:16:48 It was after the season had started. Richard Seymour, I don't know. It was shocking. Molloy was shocking. Molloy was shocking. That one came out of nowhere and it was shocking in the moment. None of these would be bigger than Gronk, though. Really?
Starting point is 00:17:02 A bigger story, but bigger surprise. Just because at this point, you're right. It plays to everything we know about Belichick that he would trade him for the right value. I mean, how does Belichick like an offseason where all these players, all the reports, no one likes Belichick, they're tired of Belichick, they're over his. M.O. They're tired of dealing with this guy. And, like, you've got gronk mouthing off. You've got Brady playing
Starting point is 00:17:24 this sort of, you know, tete-to-tet business where who knows if he's showing up to some workout? There's a little Bud Kilmer. When does he snap? A non-void vibe here. Maybe there's some inmates are about to overthrow the asylum. In life, when do you act like
Starting point is 00:17:40 the cock of the walk? When do you start swinging it around because you don't care? You got nothing to lose. When you're at Gronk's level in life. Gronk has options now. Yeah. He has post-career options, and I don't think it's about forcing a trade or hoping for a trade. Yeah. I think it's, hey, I can go to wrestling or I can go to the movies.
Starting point is 00:17:56 I don't need football anymore. I mean, he has, he's got great business acumen investing in the horse named after him just days before the horse pulls out of the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. Finally in the news, the NFL announced that a parrot will deliver the Bucks's third-day draft picks from a pirate. ship, I should say the pirate ship that's located at Raymond James Stadium. Mark, if you can give me a brief commentary, remember when your boy Costas would get up on his big, he'd climb up on top of his big boy soapbox and give his dissertations at half time of Sunday night football. Can you, because I feel some of the, this third round, let's have a talking
Starting point is 00:18:42 animal, you know, let's have a guy jumping off an airplane. These are still young men that are achieving their draft dreams, and then we're turning us over to Farse television. I'll set you up there, and hopefully you'll run with that. I may have more to say on this during our go-get-my-lunch segment, but what I would say is that what annoys me... Mark looks like at his highlighted, typed-out pages of notes. What annoys me highly is that for us who cover the game, that by the time you get into mid-sadurday, you are ready to hang yourself from the ceiling of the newsroom because the draft
Starting point is 00:19:17 couldn't be any less headline-worthy or name-worthy or anything. And you need to get that podcast done and get home to other human beings you call your family. And what they've done with this third day, and I'm sure anyone inside the building listening to this will not be pleased with my takeaway, no one's listening, is that they have said, let's take day three and extend it by multiple hours because of non-stop chicanery. Because we need to have last year a baboon announced an Indian apple. cult's draft pick, as if that helps anyone, or if it's exceedingly entertaining to watch.
Starting point is 00:19:52 It's not delaying the draft. Well, Greg, I understand that you're going to stick up for it because it's NFL network, but I would say that in terms of actual programming, it is an insulting watch for anyone that comes there to actually watch football content. And now it's, and listen, you've got R2D2 announcing a pick. You have Chewbac announcing a pick. I don't need that. I don't need any of this.
Starting point is 00:20:13 This is eating into your script, but I like it. It feels like the appropriate spot. I don't need any of this, and nor do you. you. I'm with you. I'm with you. None of us need any of it. But I'm, I do find it funny that people are like, oh, the sanctity of the draft. It's not the sanctity. It is the, it is the, do not tack 90 minutes onto a day that is already excessively boring. There's no extra time. The picks are, I think it is. The picks are being made. It is longer. It is longer because the pick is made. They stop down. They've got to go to camera eight out in some random city. They continue to make the picks of, they continue to make it.
Starting point is 00:20:46 In that draft, they don't even mention most of the picks. Most people don't even get their names mentioned. They just said, oh, let's catch up. By the time you get to the end, they would reel it along on a ticker tape on the bottom. Greg, you mentioned sanctity and that's not something to get caught up about. Saw your son Walker this weekend, beautiful young boy. Imagine 10, 12 years from now, 15 years from now he's drafted. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Fourth round. And you're sitting at the television. The whole family is together. and they have a hammerhead shark typing out Morse code of your son's name. Rather than some like proud representative, you know, let's say, you know, West Welker making the announcement for the Patriots, you have a hammerhead shark and they put a little hammer on the top of his head and then have him tap out Morse code. How about, how about, how about the thousands of third day draft picks over the last
Starting point is 00:21:44 30 years that haven't had any announcement, that's the vast majority of them and no one's cared at all about that. By the way, you didn't answer the question. I would be fine with it. It'd be kind of funny. At least he'd get a little pop. You know, most of those guys don't, they literally don't get announced. It's just a ticker thing at the bottom. Which, by
Starting point is 00:22:00 the way, got us home at 5 p.m. Here's what I learned a long time ago about TV networks. When your shows are no longer targeting me as the audience, I feel no guilt about leaving your show. Like, why would I have to watch a when the target audience is 12-year-olds.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And one last, and one last point. Who's the most important single individual in NFL network's draft coverage? Mystery irrelevant. Charlie Yook. Mike Mayock. Oh, and Mayock cannot. Yook was some pot of good bits.
Starting point is 00:22:29 We'll get into that. We'll get into that. Mike Mayock. That guy nearly walked off the set and discussed, and it wasn't manufactured with the talking baboon last year. Now they're going to have parrots and who knows what else
Starting point is 00:22:40 just to get a reaction out of Mayak. Let's not complete. It's disenfranchised Mayotte. It is a world war, you know, it is a powder keg. That reaction, though, is what guaranteed that it was coming back. Our reaction is what guaranteed it's coming back. Someone actually cared about the fifth round of the draft for a second. You're saying you checked your network boxes here.
Starting point is 00:22:59 I'm definitely about a fan. Wes, it is a powder keg. Agree with me. It is a powder keg sitting there. The second that Mayok had that reaction, that guaranteed it was coming back because they just wanted to annoy him again. And now a word from our sponsor. Spending too much time at the office on the couch or
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Starting point is 00:24:33 and we hit josh rosen then baker mayfield then josh allen the big four okay but that's not it. We got one more to hit for a very particular reason because the man that I reached out to demanded it. And now he's joining us live on the Around the NFL podcast. I reached out to this guy and said, hey, which one of these big four do you want to talk about? And you know what this man said?
Starting point is 00:25:02 He said, screw you. I only want to talk about one guy and his name is Lamar Jackson Spice Rack. Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast. Glad to be back, sir. spice rack if you are acoustics by the way i just found a safe space is this how are the acoustic you're safe with us spice rack it's always safe in here it's a safe space and you do sound good and everyone should know that spice rack in addition to being chris westling's desert consigliary on all matters draft related also works on the at the pool top of one of the most exclusive
Starting point is 00:25:37 Vegas hotels and resorts which i will not share for privacy reasons he is the spice rack he doesn't mobs of fans jumping into the pool trying to get to him but what I want to tell you is that he excused himself from the pool don't worry
Starting point is 00:25:51 he's not a lifeguard he is talking to us now Spice Rack first of all how are you buddy it's been a while buddy is right I've missed you guys dearly
Starting point is 00:26:00 and I'm doing okay about the same about the same but I've been mostly concerned with you guys oh why is that and what sense
Starting point is 00:26:10 Spiceroy thank you we think I sent some attention, and I've heard some rumors. Talk to us. From who? What are the sparrows telling you? You have people in Vegas talking to you.
Starting point is 00:26:21 We'll talk about it off here. I thought we were here to talk draft quarterback. What happened to that? I like it. That's a tease. That's a tease. You brought it up, Spicerack. Yeah, well, I'm full of BS, and, you know, sometimes you just rambling and makes
Starting point is 00:26:33 it up. You've done a nice job lighting a fire in this studio now, and there's a lot of dissension, a lot of sideways glances. But Spice Rack, okay, here we go. you only wanted to talk about the Louisville quarterback Lamar Jackson. Tell us why your pants are on fire when you talk about this kid. Well, I mean, I think it's relegating him to like a secondary player as far as these main quarterbacks are concerned. That's my first issue.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Right. You don't like the idea that he's not mentioned in the breath of the first four. quarterbacks we talked about on this show? He's accomplished a lot more, and he has, you know, upside for days. I think, really, though, Hansus, the reason I wanted to kind of come on and talk about him is sort of the angle that even if Lamar Jackson does not work out long term, and he's not really a project in the sense that can he run past people or if he's got a second to throw, can he complete that pass because he can and he will and he looks to throw.
Starting point is 00:27:45 But it's when you look at the most, the extremely mobile quarterbacks, even if they don't last, Steve Young lasted, Steve McNair lasted, you know, Randall Cunningham came back and did his thing. Usually they'll pop early. I mean, look at how explosive Vic was early. RG3, Kaepernick gave the Packers, 180 rushing yards in the playoffs. Deshaun Watson had the top NFL offense in the NFL last year for a brief moment. Tebow won a playoff game.
Starting point is 00:28:16 He's out of the league already. Vince Young out of the league, but didn't he win 60 plus percent of his games for the first couple of years? Rookie of the year. There you go. And so if you get a smart play caller attached to Lamar Jackson, I don't see any way, barring injury, but that's the case for everybody. You want to talk about his frame being slight a frame? Of course, that's a little bit of an issue. if he doesn't learn to, I mean, Robert Griffin, the third, never learned a slide.
Starting point is 00:28:44 One of the craziest developments in the history of my life side was the worst slider I've ever seen. How is it possible? It's unbelievable. He's that athletic yet unable. Lamar Jackson won't have that issue. Now, I'll tell you, what else Robert Griffin struggled with was just absorbing a hit? This guy did not know how to get out of the way.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Lamar Jackson's not that. His instincts, like Robert Griffin didn't jump off. the screen the way Lamar Jackson did. He may have run past people, but he wasn't a lot of wiggle attached to his game. Spicerack, I have a question about the...
Starting point is 00:29:21 I will, thank you. I feel like Spicerack's feeling good in a good headspace, and we're getting good. So far, so good. I would say so far, Spice Rack? I'm not feeling good. I'm feeling terrible.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Well, just stay confident. Well, you tried to sow some seeds of, you know, dissent among us. So that was a tough start. I liked it. I actually gave him points for that. I like that. Right now, he's not.
Starting point is 00:29:40 sitting at a solid B right now and maybe trending upward. West, go ahead. The Vic thing, I heard Trent Dilfer, who knows quite a bit about quarterback, say he's light years ahead of Vic as a prospect. I go back to 2001, and to me, Vic was not only the number one overall pick, but there was no debate about it. He was viewed as the most exciting, exceptional college player we'd ever seen at the time. How is it that Lamar Jackson is viewed by someone like Dilfer is light years ahead of Vic as a prospect. And do you see him as light years ahead of where Vic was at the time? I see him
Starting point is 00:30:15 light years ahead as a thrower. I just think quarterbacks in general are coached up a lot more offseason and seven on sevens. And as well as just in games, I mean, Frank Beamer and Virginia Tech, they couldn't have run a more
Starting point is 00:30:32 antiquated offense. He threw like eight touchdowns one of his years, Michael Vick. It's like he didn't throw the ball. What's that? Yeah, Michael Vic barely threw the ball in college. Right. And what he did, it was erratic, and they tried to sort of, you know, run a, you know, eye formation. And, you know, that's not the way to spring Vic free. Lamar Jackson is a lot more polished as a passer.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I don't think there's any question about that. And I've heard a lot of talk that now that RPO is the rage now, that Jackson, if he's in the right offense or the right play caller, he could thrive. in that type of setup, although there have been real questions about his accuracy as well. So he's not a perfect prospect. I think it's overrated. I think it's overrated big time. I think he needs to rein it back in as far as trying some of these Aaron Rogers passes. He's not there yet.
Starting point is 00:31:27 But he's so much, again, erratic is the word I use, because if we're going to do a comparison with Vic, I mean, Vic was all over the place. Lamar Jackson, I mean, he's a nice passer. I mean, you saw him on his best days. He looked just unstoppable, but he's by no means like a huge project as a passer. I just don't see it. Spicerack. Is it an indictment of the National Football League scouting base and front offices,
Starting point is 00:32:00 one through 32, that he's not seen as one of these top four. There's the four quarterbacks. Then somewhere in the deep distance is Lamar Jackson, who some team is going to try to pick and then mold an offense around. I mean, how can you be the most electrifying athlete in the draft and being sort of comprehensively ignored up to this point compared to the other four quarterbacks, each of them who have known flaws?
Starting point is 00:32:23 And in addition to that, do you believe that Bill Polion still has all of his faculties? No on Bill Polion. Last question first, Jim. But this top four, top five stuff, this is a softball for me. I mean, Josh Allen, what has he done other than measure? I mean, he's in a lower level conference. He didn't raise the level of the competition.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And let's not forget how athletic he is with that big strong arm. Let's say a comparison might be Jay Cutler. Remember young Jay Cutler was very mobile. When he was at Vanderbilt and had nobody on his team and was against SEC defenses, he was in games till the bitter end. making players better. Every damn week. Josh Allen was unimpressive always.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Show me what he did ever to impress. And so the size and the arm strength, I get it. And I'm not looking at every little thing. So, but I can't imagine taking Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson. All right. How about this? You ready? There we go.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Sealing for Lamar Jackson as an NFL player and a player cop and a floor. I mean This can get you into A-minus territory if you nail this Your appearance There's not The feeling If you're looking for player comparison
Starting point is 00:33:52 I don't really have one Body type You reminds me to Jake Plummer But I don't know who to You want me to a freaking lie I mean I don't know I mean Randall Cunningham was slight
Starting point is 00:34:03 Not preferably He was slightly built But he was a lot taller you know and uh robert griffin to third again i saw as like a robot who happened to be fast i don't know here's why i get to you he's he's uh he the shan watson does not have the physical ability of lamar jackson right that's the thing there is no it's hard to compare because he's a new generation player that's why like not that i'm a scout but like watching lamar jackson it it is i'm writing about this for this week like it is surprising to me and maybe
Starting point is 00:34:35 everyone is wrong maybe it's not a big four maybe you're right spice rack and the NFL agrees with you and he's going to go in the top 10 like i don't think that's i don't think that would be that surprising at this point last year deshawn watson no one thought he was going in the top 25 and teams are trading up who's saying he's going to fall beyond even 12 i think everyone would agree with you at this point well almost every mar jackson going literally every 10 to a 12 is totally what's going literally every mock draft on her website right now has him falling past that i don't i don't i don't I totally feel like when these four other quarterbacks, if that's how it happens, get plucked up early,
Starting point is 00:35:11 someone is going to jump up and make sure they don't sit around at 18 or 19 waiting for Lamar Jackson to fall for them. That is nonsense. My thought is maybe that... He's a terrifying prospect to pass on. My thought is he might go ahead of those guys, though. Why not? Because he is, like, his upside is the greatest running quarterback of all time.
Starting point is 00:35:29 I don't think that's that crazy. He's coming into the league as maybe the greatest running quarterback in college football history. The only comparison is Vic, and he's, like, kind of 15 years later than Vic, so he's obviously, like, just at another level in terms of his running. Like, that seems to have such a high base. I'll start to interrupt you, Greg had that real sturdy build. And so Vic, even though he was terrible at avoiding his, his body was meant to, you know, built to endure that a little more.
Starting point is 00:35:57 He could talk, you know, he gets, there's a little, so Jackson is vulnerable. He's slight a frame, and he still thinks he's Superman back there. But they have that same wiggle, and I'll tell you what else, when they get outside the pocket, there's not many. Aaron Rogers is on the short list, you know, maybe like Maddie Stafford. I'm not putting Lamar Jackson's arm strength in those three guys category necessarily, but that wrist snap. I know you guys must know what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Just sort of like on the move, and, I mean, it's not wasted motion at all. It gets there in a hurry, and it's, uh, Lamar Jackson's done a lot of things as a thrower and just as a quarterback. He's a Louisville, okay? Louisville's not, like, you know, it's not one of the Blue Blood College football programs. It's okay, and he had Bobby Petrino coaching him, but he's running it up on Florida State or running it up on North Carolina, whoever, and I mean, he's... Just to put a bow on this one, what I'm hearing from you is not only is it wrong to say that he's a huge project who will take a year or two, but a team would be forfeiting one of the
Starting point is 00:37:02 advantages of having him by sitting him on the bench because if you as you said if you have a coach who can do it he has a he has the potential to take the league by storm if defenses aren't ready for him and if you're sitting him on the bench you're forfeiting that potential well couldn't have said any better buddy I mean but you drop him Kyle Shanahan or you drop him what about Josh McDaniels of course I mean hey that sounds that sounds like a beautiful relationship to me you know We'll see. We'll see. Can make up for drafting Tim Tebow.
Starting point is 00:37:35 This is not a Tim Tebow situation. Exactly. It's not a Tim Tebow situation. But the right play caller, I mean, I will say flat out, there's no way that Lamar Jackson, even if it's a six or eight game, you know, segment of one season that he doesn't absolutely light it up with smart, even without smart play calling, really. But if he has the right guy dialing it up, I mean, Lamar Jackson's not going to miss an open guy 40, 50 yards down there.
Starting point is 00:38:01 He's not going to under throw. it to be safe, you know, some Tebow, Tebow, lob, duck. That's not the case. This guy can really throw it. But when you see him with the ball in your hands, I mean, he's electric. Spice Rack? You've made an incredible case for your boy. I'll even let you real quick.
Starting point is 00:38:19 We've got to go, but I'm going to give you yes or no on this. If you want to get in for the first time, I'm going to go get my lunch prop, that Lamar Jackson goes top 10. Do you want to put sandwiches out there as a prop? Just throwing it out there. And then we have a chance to take you on it. want to do it just for fun yes anybody want to take
Starting point is 00:38:39 why would I not take this a I'm in on this B yes C whatever it takes to be in on this I so agree with him I just think this is going to he's going to get rushed up the board the idea it's nice in in early you know February to say this is going to go in round two D.J. has him in round two right now nonsense I will not nonsense to DJ but I will take you up on that spice wreck no way round two no that was going to be one of my props Jackson goes in the top 10. Oh, really? Sorry about that. No, it's all right. Wow. He was involved in one of my
Starting point is 00:39:06 props too, but in the spirit of this game, I will take Spice Rec on this. All right, so Wes and I will take you on at Spice Rock. I, as you know, will be in Vegas in a few days and next week. I do know that. We talk privately because we are friends. We are buddies now. We talk about WrestleMania 7 and things of that nature. So if you do, in fact, lose that prop, I'll be right in your neighborhood to collect both on behalf of myself and Chris Wesley. Bring it on, Zeus. All right. Hey, Spicerack.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Great meeting with you guys. A-minus. Really nice work today. I'll take it. All right. Get back to work. Spice rack. There he goes.
Starting point is 00:39:41 All right. There we go. When I hear him say we are friends, it tells me that there was a period of time, as Greg and Wes and Mark have suspected where you were not. When we weren't close friends? Well, when something dark and mysterious happened that I think potentially one of you or the both of you don't clearly remember, but there was a sense of a falling out. If only we could get an insider to report on this.
Starting point is 00:40:05 I mean, I have not seen Spice Rack since that first meeting. So I don't know what could have changed, but maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. Time passed. Time passed. All right. So that's a great way. Great Seg now into Go Get My Lunch, Draft Edition.
Starting point is 00:40:20 We already have one prop on the board that Lamar Jackson goes in the top 10, West and the old Zucer have taken Spice Rack up on that. And, of course, track all the props on go get my lunch.org, Nick Fortier, amazing work. He has the all-time standings. He has a soundboard. He has who owes whom. And just so everyone knows, last year, Wes, you had a nice draft eight and five. Mark, what I was referring to last year was two-year props.
Starting point is 00:40:49 It will rain during draft hours. That was not a terrible. And it almost did, by the way. But it did not. And a team, that was normal. A team misses a pick. That was probably you're giving away sandwiches on one level. It's only happened, what, once in 20 years, something like that?
Starting point is 00:41:04 Yeah, it was a bit off the cuff, but at the same time, there were animals making picks and picks arriving by spaceship and stuff. So, you know. And it should be also mentioned, Greg, that the old Zucer went 11 and 2 last year. So I have a, that is probably the all-time greatest single round in this game. So I have a lot to live up to. People still talk. There is.
Starting point is 00:41:27 You walk down to cozy air. And people, there's still a buzz about how you did in last year's sandwich wagers. I did a 30 for 30 about it, actually. I just recorded my parts for it. It took a couple days. ESPN passed on that, but you yourself came up. All right. So let's get into it, go around the board.
Starting point is 00:41:44 But we'll start as we always do with a universal prop. And this universal prop, the second quarterback off the board will be blank. Second. That's so random because we don't even know who knows it first. Exactly. First, too easy. Exactly. Well, you could say first, and then most of us would probably say Donald.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Maybe Baker Mayfield. Then maybe make Sam Darnold the second quarterback. That's what it's about, Craig. Let's go around the room, starting with you, Mark. All right, second quarterback off the board, and I expect it to go to the New York Jets will be Baker Mayfield. Okay, Chris Wesley. Josh Rosen.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I was waffling on those two options because Rosen is starting to pick up some heat with the Jets now after Mayfield for the last 10 days or so, but I will stick with Baker Mayfield's second quarterback off the board. Sam Darnold, your boy, Mark, goes first. I guess I'll go Baker Mayfield. Okay. Here we go. Now we go through it.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Starting with you, Mark Sessler. Your first prop. All right, the tie-in that I mentioned, prediction. NFL network draft Crystal baller Mike Mayock again becomes a major side plot by destroying the league's somewhat corny day three shenanigans. I will quantify this by saying A, this is how you would measure a winner loss here. Yeah, that's important.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Mayok trends on Twitter to some tangible degree. I mean, like, legit Twitter heat. Because here's your thing. How about maybe U.S. trend? U.S. trend. That's the little sidebar. On draft day, I don't think that's too much to ask. Because I think there's another world here
Starting point is 00:43:14 where they basically say, they get in his ear and say, no more. You stay silent on all this stuff. I don't think they control. I'm just saying there's a world. I think they love it. Okay, so then, all right. So part B of quantifying this.
Starting point is 00:43:25 There are at least a handful of articles, you know, all over the place, written that quantify how much Mayok hates day three of the draft and its ultra-excessive wave of tedious bells and whistles that ponderously slow the process to a crawl while guaranteeing that our Saturday wrap-up pod, which used to operate efficiently, now begins at like 645 Pacific Time due to all the white, hot, overly slick anti-drama.
Starting point is 00:43:51 This narrative is very similar to the lions not showing up for the training kit. Not done. Basically, Mayok's annoyance needs to become a thing. And you guys can decide if it does or does not. We'd have to bet against that to... You would say essentially it's going to pass without being a thing. Well, my honest feeling on this is that NFL network is already baking this into their coverage. That's why the cockatoo or the parrot is involved.
Starting point is 00:44:17 And whether it's a thing or not, they are going to needle Mayok on it until they get the reaction they need. But you have incredible power, because if you decide yes, it becomes a... thing, you will owe me sandwiches. But if the three of you decide it does not become a thing, the same way that you snowballed me with the Philly special, I will be teed up to purchase yet another round of meat-infused
Starting point is 00:44:37 sandwiches for three well-fed whites already making a bundle of money to cover a child's game. But teed up as far as it goes when it comes to you paying out your sandwiches. Right, yeah. This is like what does it matter? I'm going to buy one of those heroes that go the entire length
Starting point is 00:44:53 of the newsroom at this point. So you're, the, it will happen. I do, I feel like this. You're saying it won't happen. I'm saying it will happen. Oh, I agree. Well, who would disagree with that? Well, I feel like the, the, this, the engine behind this particular prop got a little destroyed in our, in our pregame.
Starting point is 00:45:11 So even if, and I had nothing else prepared. Even if we didn't bring it up, it was always about just you making this rant rather than a prop. Let's, let's keep it real here. This is, I think someone should take, I think someone should take me up on it. This is a huge gamble, but I'm gambling. that Mayock has learned how to laugh at himself. But even then it'll become a thing and be trending and they'll make a... And he'll laugh at himself by having fun of the idea of being annoyed.
Starting point is 00:45:34 I think it won't trend if he is like kind of playing along but being kind of annoyed and no one really sense his real annoyment. That's our day of the draft. There's not a lot of pop. That's the whole idea behind it. Beyond trending on Twitter, there will be articles all over the place. I want to find how much he hates it. I will give you the copy.
Starting point is 00:45:54 that is your you can deal with that you can decide whether it has to be both or just one of the two let's see at least a handful of articles written about how much mayok hates i think both because i'm saying it's got it's got it's got to be both it's got to be both it's got to be articles people writing articles it's got to be twitter trending in america and you know you deciding whether or not it is what is the determination or what determines what a real article is this has to show up in a published it's not time but it's not going to be up in newsweek or time necessarily, but it's going to be...
Starting point is 00:46:25 Literally anywhere. A flood of sports articles. A couple internet articles. I think DeMeok is legitimately annoyed, but he's playing for the camera and is not going to allow himself to be needleed, so he'll go along with it. Well, let's see.
Starting point is 00:46:40 All right, I'm not sure about that one. I've got to think about it a little bit longer. The second part's a little... There's no way to really quantify it. Yeah, I think I'm walking into a truck. You have extreme powers, so anyways, continue. Go ahead, Wes. I'm going to stay away from that.
Starting point is 00:46:52 The Colts will not draft. at number six overall. Sure, I'll take you up on that just for the fun of it. I could certainly see that going either way. I believe that the Colts are, wrote about this in a mailbag today. I think they are in what they hope is going to be like a accelerated rebuild where they're looking at this year as a way to get everything back on track
Starting point is 00:47:18 and have luck playing and use this draft to rebuild and they didn't spend in free agency. they'll spend next year. So I think it would make sense if what my hunch is there is correct is that they are going to trade back, get more draft picks, and continue to patch a roster that has so many holes. I'm with you, and I feel like they, during the team press conference about the draft, they made it almost painfully clear, oh, we see, you know, prime time players down at 12, 13, 14,
Starting point is 00:47:48 almost to telecast, we're going to move down. and we already told you that we believe we got a good player at that place that we didn't if Chubb fell to them at 6 I could see them sticking I don't think he's going to and I agree with you I think they've always broadcast a high trade possibility and there's too many teams that got to race up to get the quarterback cardinals they have that was kind of advertising like hey we're a place you can come and draft if they stayed there and draft quentin Nelson which a lot of people speculated that would be a perfect pick for them but six is so valuable they already they already you know you had your trade value chart the other day.
Starting point is 00:48:22 They already wiped the floor with the Jets in terms of the trade value. I mean, they picked up incredible value. And so I think they'll be happy with that. And they're such good players. I'll say they'll stay. Nobody's wiping. If the Jets get their quarterback, the floor. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:35 I'm just saying in terms of the trade value chart, I'm taking them up. All right. Just because I think it's less likely than 50%. I like to do, because of the team I know the most, I always like to do one Jets one. So I'll just say the Jets will draft Baker Mayfield. Anybody taking me up on that? And I get the field. Every other player in the gym.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Every other field. Every quarterback. Yeah, I'll take it. Why not? I like, I always, I have a few rules that actually, you know, kind of go against you as a, as someone that would, you know, wager here. It's not really smart. But I like them all to line up. I want to root for the same thing.
Starting point is 00:49:13 I already said Mayfield to the Jetser as the second quarterback. So I'm just going to have to not take you. Wow. I just fully believe they're taking Mayfield. I don't want to have two that are opposite each other. So I just got West there. Apologies. You know what?
Starting point is 00:49:26 The other reason I lose in this game is like, oh, no, it's better for the show if I just take Ken up on something. That's all in your head. What you want to do. Believe me, I'm up in my head on this game. Okay. All right. So I just got West there. All right.
Starting point is 00:49:39 You're up, Greg. I will go with the Patriots take a quarterback in round one. What about that? Well, I will I totally might You will find out that I agree with you soon I'm not taking you up in that course They're taking a quarterback
Starting point is 00:49:56 In round one you're saying? I said round one I'll take you I'll take you hanging it Yeah I think they're going round two And remember everybody's got to have at least one onion hanger That might have to qualify Because he took my Lamar Jackson in the top ten
Starting point is 00:50:09 I'm scrambling I'm scrambling like Lamar That That ruins mine. Well, I can expound on Gregs. You only know like seven players in this draft, so it's tough to have a totally different point. Round two, Mark. Okay, this is very similar to Gregs.
Starting point is 00:50:27 But in the past, we've seen the Patriots address positional needs by drafting players in bunches. Bunches, Dan. They did it a tight end in 2010 with Rob Gruncowski and Aaron Hernandez. They did it running back in 2011 with Shane Vareen and Stephen Ridley. They did it in 2015 by nabbing three defensive linemen with their first four picks. This introduction, this introduction on my part, laced with a heavy dose of cherry picking to push a point, is my way of saying the Patriots will select no less than two quarterbacks in this draft, not one but two.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Anything less than I will owe sandwiches to a trio of Caucasian football heads who feel inclined to endlessly base in-studio parlor games around food and vice. I will certainly get this bet wrong and be forced to Uber to an overly ornate sandwich shop in the middle of some Los Angeles hipster mecca to pick up Vietnamese roast beef dipped lamb heroes for a three pack of football scribes who can't get enough animal product in their bellies while kicking their feet up on the chair and watching the clicks roll in on articles in beauty with their untouchable grid iron knowledge. This sounds like a fantasy world.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Where can I get that mark? I'm stuck with the one who never pays off his sandwiches. I love this guy. This guy's great. This guy's driving all over Los Angeles to pay off his debts. That sandwich sounded delicious. Why is there still glitter on this table from November? And I will take you.
Starting point is 00:51:54 I will definitely take you on this. Two QBs. That's how you do this. I'll take you, but you know what? I don't feel great about it. I think that sounds about right. Maybe one in the first and one in the sixth. And then you say Brian Hoyer beat it.
Starting point is 00:52:06 That does sound exactly like what they do. But I'm going to take you just on principle. All right. For calling us, you know, Caucasian. And don't think we forgot when you went on your U.S.O. trip, you never said boo to any of those guys that were eating steaks and all sorts of meals the entire time. Come back here and you're picking on us about our eating habits. I was their guest on some level, nor was I was not going. They were also three or four times larger than me.
Starting point is 00:52:26 I was their guest. How so? They were guests. I don't know. I'm not going to sit there like, hi, I've known you for eight hours. I'm going to start picking on the third dish that you've ordered as a main course tonight. I'm intrigued by these Vietnamese heroes because that's the, I'm intrigued by these Vietnamese heroes. Because that's combined.
Starting point is 00:52:42 I don't know. I just remember. Inherently are Greek and you got the Vietnamese, you know. You guys are like all into Vietnamese sandwiches. That's what I remember. One time, what Mark's referring to, it's a now closed establishment. But one time Mark had to pay off sandwiches and got us all Bonn Me sandwiches. It was ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:52:56 And Mark was completely repulsed by the fire. No, I just, it was like, it was like, what? Really? This is what you picked? All right, Wes, you're up. Oh, well, staying with the Patriots quarterback. Okay. Patriots will not trade up for a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:53:11 They won't trade up They will not trade up I will take you on that For a quarterback I will take you on that As much as it would be saucy If they did I think it's more likely
Starting point is 00:53:21 That they do not Yeah I'd be surprised I'm with you I'm going There's so many Patriots Quarterbacks props Taking the on way So Greg
Starting point is 00:53:27 Your philosophy of staying consistent Who's the quarterback That's going to fault To them in the first round If Lamar Jackson's going In the top 10 I don't know We'll see
Starting point is 00:53:36 Mason Rudolph Maybe All right I let it at 31 Who knows? I like this one. Actually, I'll save that one for my last one because it's pretty wild. We've got to go three?
Starting point is 00:53:49 We'll have an onion hanger. Here we go. One of the big four, it's a little bit of onion. It is, I'm going to lose. One of the big four, and as we know, Donald Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, is drafted by a 2017 playoff team. Today, I'll show you a little bit of our growing huge onions. I love it, and I'll take you. I love it.
Starting point is 00:54:13 Because almost certainly Jets and Browns are taking quarterback, so it's really just those two guys. I mean, the only thing, though, Bills makes it. It's the Bills. It's the Bills. Yeah, I'm not going to take you on that. Oh, that's some stinky bait.
Starting point is 00:54:26 I can't, I'm not taking you because the Bills are taking a quarterback. They absolutely are. Unless there's no quarterback from them to take. They are, they are. But if they take Lamar Jackson, Dan still went. No, you said Big Four. No, that's true. That's true.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Yeah. It has to be one of the big four. It's, it is silly that Lamar Jackson's like, Mara Jackson is like, I beat Deshawn Watson in the Heisman, and I can't get in a group with Josh Allen. Josh Allen threw six interceptions against the JV team in Iowa last year. So who's taking me on this?
Starting point is 00:54:59 You say that one of the playoff teams drafts, one team that made the playoffs drafts one of the top four quarterbacks. Of the four top quarterbacks, Donald Rose and Mayfield Allen, one of those guys or more gets drafted by a playoff team from this past year. I'm not going to take it just because of the bills factor. Bill's still banging you all this time later.
Starting point is 00:55:21 I mean, I think the bills are the trading up with the cult scenario that I see. Nothing? Sorry, Stinky bait. I got nothing there. Well, don't you think that's, I would think that's a, that would be a favorite.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Yeah, the bills. You pet that up in the board and old, uh, spice racks employers you know which i would never do they would be favorites that would be a favorite i would think the bills take one of those quarterbacks that's what i'm saying so are you talking about so no i'm not so you're not okay you're up great all right get ready because you know you guys maybe haven't been doing the studying but watch out because isaiah win spelled at i s a i a i a Isaiah Wynne, a guard from Georgia, really like what he does as a road grader,
Starting point is 00:56:16 gets taken in picks 27 to 32. Talk about stinky bait. Hold on, I got to Google Isaiah win. Hardly a sexy proposition, but... It was supposed to be recognizing the fact that I have no idea about any of these players or what's going to happen. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Well, it's a straight guess for all of us. I'll take you up because... Just going to pick a guy in a spot. You're being subversive. I feel like it's probably going to happen. You're going to win this. Yeah, I'll take you on it. Run around the hallways glowing, but I'll just take you up.
Starting point is 00:56:50 This is exactly how Greg gets to top the standings and then brags about it forever. Have I said one word? Some guard gets picked at 27 to 32 or what? I have I said, have I bragged about this forever? I'm with U.S. I think the competitive, it's not a competitive one. Just for Gets and shiggles, I will take it. okay we'll see what happens but you're not going to get any credit if it checks out i don't want any credit
Starting point is 00:57:16 okay last round i'm trying to end this parlor game such a qualifier um if you get to a point where there's too many things you don't want to do with our show you could leave the show oh it's not it's not that now you're killing off go get my lunch or just maybe for the draft all of us you know we don't really you know all right we'll we'll talk about that privately all right mark last round i'm trying to decide which one to go with here um all right right. How about this? We will see no less than four trades before we get to pick 20. And that means trades that could happen starting now where someone trades up to number two. But like there are at least four trades that impact the top 20 and not less. And you know what? I looked back
Starting point is 00:57:56 around because I've done something like this before and I got waxed in the past because that doesn't happen as much as you think. It would be kind, it would be rare to see four. There isn't a lot So the Jets trade doesn't count Has to be a draft day trade Right Well what do you guys think Does that not count? I don't think that should count
Starting point is 00:58:13 Because that really would only be three From here on out I'll say four more trades Which now feels very alike Between now and the 20th pick Or it would have to be like during the draft No no no I think no no Because if now
Starting point is 00:58:25 If the bills traded number two in two hours That's one of that count Yeah I'll take you on it It's a good one I'll take you That seems like a good over under though That sounds about right Wes
Starting point is 00:58:36 I am not going to take it I think the smart money would be to take it but I have as Mark sometimes does go by intuition and I just have a feeling there are going to be trained
Starting point is 00:58:46 cool all right Wes if the Giants stay at number two they draft a quarterback I will take you on that I will take you too I like that that's my onion
Starting point is 00:58:59 yeah that is one I like the and I like it's an onion hanger that's got a chance the reel in of sandwiches because I'll take you on it too. Hmm. All right. It's a good one because logic still dictates or it makes sense that the Giants would take a
Starting point is 00:59:13 quarterback. Everything points to they should take a quarterback and we've heard nothing except for the if Darnold Falls maybe and all that stuff. Right. It feels like maybe a smokescreen. I'll take you on it, but would not be surprised. I think I'm not likely to win it, but what the heck? Hang an onion.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Got a hang an onion. Walla Walla is a big onion. Giant sweet Spanish onions are good And a red Zeppelin is a big red onion All right, this one I'm going to give credit to Sylvester Valderrama on Twitter Who threw it out there as an option to do it And I liked it
Starting point is 00:59:46 At least one player from every major position Outside kicker and punter Gets drafted in the first round Quarterback running back tight end Wide receiver, tackle, guard, center defensive tackle, defensive end Outside linebacker, middle linebacker or inside linebacker, cornerback, safety.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Everybody. He's got safety covered, which is one you could look at and say maybe not. Yeah, judging, looking at the kind of the, I'm now just scrolling through mock drafts essentially and cheating. Wouldn't that be the case in a lot of first round, except for the center? That might be your problem. There's only one option. There's one option, James Daniels. Come on, Jamie.
Starting point is 01:00:26 I'll take you because it's fun. I've heard three centers bandied a bam. As a first round pick? Yes, because the rest are almost all certain. I don't know if this is, this feels like about a 50-50. I feel like we are going to see every position. No one is taking it. No one has taken any of Dan's wagers.
Starting point is 01:00:44 That's the way to play, though. That's the way to play. It is his birthday. It is his birthday. And I'm going to take it to be a gentleman. Thank you, Mark. It's very kind of you. Wes and Greg.
Starting point is 01:00:56 I guess I won't because to me it would be very, basically center is the only position that possibly couldn't be taken. Almost all the other... Well, tight end is a little... Oh, tight end, you're right. A little dicey at that tight end position. Greg's starting to feel like, Mike, got to get in on this action. Get in.
Starting point is 01:01:12 I'm not going to take you. Okay. Finally, Greg. And I'll go, because I think, I feel like you're... You usually are right if you choose the quarterbacks to get taken earlier than expected. I'll go, Mason Rudolph goes before pick 27 or earlier. So he'll be the sixth quarterback taken. theory. I'll even make it more specific for for no reason whatsoever, just throwing away sandwiches,
Starting point is 01:01:36 that he'll be the sixth quarterback and get taken 27 and earlier. I will take you because of the specificity. I will take you too. I like that. I was going to say overly specific just so I would avoid trying to say specificity. It's such a hard word. Overly laser focused. Yes, I'll take you on that for sure. Because it's got two things have to go on your.
Starting point is 01:02:00 I think you're feeling maybe that. That's New England's move. He's banking on it. The Saints, I mean, I picked 27 as a possibility as the backstop there. Oh, this is the year. The Saints tell all the reporters every year that they're going to take a first round quarterback and they never do. I think they tried.
Starting point is 01:02:18 They've been doing it since Grayson, Garrett Grayson, or whatever his name was. Dick Grayson, Robbins, all three ago? Whatever it is. Go Get My Lunch.org. It is the fine site run by Nick Fortier to track all of our wagers, and we will circle back to this on Saturday's draft, and that should remind everyone listening of the schedule, because it is different this week.
Starting point is 01:02:41 The next time you'll hear from us is Thursday night. We'll record late Thursday after the first round is completed, a complete round one recap, and then you'll hear from us again. It only happens a couple times a year, maybe once a year we do a Saturday show and we will do the full seven round
Starting point is 01:03:01 recap maybe some winners and losers like I said go over our props and that will be Mark the off season will begin after that show yes or no yes because it certainly has not been an off season I think for any of us on any level at all right that will get that gets you to the point where there isn't
Starting point is 01:03:19 hey every five days there's a massive NFL tent poll event that you must attend or latch on to intellectually. I mean, it'll be a bit of a drag because we'll have to get marked down from the ceiling he's hanging on on Saturday.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Listen, just move it along on day three. And also... Come on R2D2, for God's sakes. And just to put this on your radar mark, I'm thinking later in June, I'm going to talk to some people have you covered the rookie premiere event in downtown Hollywood.
Starting point is 01:03:47 I've done that before. I did it with you. And once was enough. All right. So yes, you'll hear from us on Thursday night. draft round one where a lot of things will be different. So lots to look forward to.
Starting point is 01:04:00 This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, and Lindsay Fulton behind the glass. Thank you for that. Drop, Lindsay. It was very kind of you. Happy birthday. All right.
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