NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Draft Round 1 Recap

Episode Date: April 27, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- assemble in-studio to recap the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft, starting with the Top 10. Marc shares his thoughts on the Browns’ new QB and CB (4:00), Dan’s Jets finally get their guy (11:00) and Josh Rosen gets ticked (25:00). Plus, final thoughts on opening night of the Draft, including a great moment for John Elway (51:00), Jared from Subway (56:00) and much more.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark? Very possible. We might not be the doormats anymore if we just get a little help from these young quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield at number one, and my boy, scam for Sam Darnold, number three overall. Yeah, I mean, I think it's two teams that it's fair for both fan bases to feel a little snake-bitten when it comes to picking quarterbacks. Both the Jets and Browns have tried. But that doesn't mean you just stop.

trying you have to keep keep going for that position otherwise you're going to deal with the cast off rg3s the josh mccowns from now until the end of time and so i am really i really could not care less and we'll get into it what anyone thinks about these quarterback picks tonight i could not give any less of an s about what anyone thinks this evening about it we'll have to see how it plays out you seem annoyed by a lot of what people think um i find our newsroom and an appallel place to witness NFL events in general, but that's probably a large part of it. I think if I had been somewhere in a different setting, my mood would be different. It's amazing.

Like, after five years, we know that after a year or two, it was clear that nothing stuck to Mark's crawl, like some random people coming up to the newsroom and asking him questions about the Browns. And it happens like every time we're in the newsroom. Well, my take on this, because I was in great spirits once the, you know, The pick came in with Darnold, who I really didn't think the Jets had a chance at, and the fact that he fell to three. I'm very optimistic, and I'm really hopeful about the future of the franchise,

who knows if he actually can play. But today, and that's why I love, especially if you're a fan of a downtrodden organization, like myself, like Mark, that's why me personally, I'm on the other end where you are, Mark, whereas, like, I don't know if this guy, Donald can actually play. I don't know. And he might actually end up being another USC quarterback that's a middling guy or worse. But in this moment right now, I'm just going to soak in the possibility and the optimism around it. And Greg, you've been to a bunch of drafts.

I've been to drafts. We've all been to drafts. The best part about the draft then, not so much, it's not a great coverage event. And that's why we don't go, and that's why we're in Culver City, is that there's not a lot of, like, access. And it's a different type of beast. but one thing it is it's really it's such an optimistic happy event so that's where i'm at right now i'm really happy that the jets got darnled i'm really excited about the future in a way that i haven't been in a long time and i leading into today i was terrified i couldn't even i couldn't sit still in

my house i cleaned out my my whole closet i watched luckily the yankees were on so i had a chance to watch them i got on the peloton and rode the bike and i was just like trying not to think about it because this was such a big draft for both of our team's marks, but also a bunch of other teams that need a quarterback and a fresh start, and we're going to get to all that today. And that they did it in such a fun way. I mean, I love seeing your guys's energy coming into the draft and excitement. It energizes me to some degree because, like, you know, by yesterday,

I could feel the Sessler kind of flow rising, you know, because you spend hours on a Sessler mock draft. That's only happening if the Browns are at the, the top of the draft maybe taking a player he's excited about by late at night he's sending out texts browns and jets rising patriots imploding new aFC dawning backyards burning sweet bids that and nobody responded to the text so i thought that hit like a dead weight in water like i don't know what i need to get a rise out of out of this i was a little under the weather i was honestly asleep before you even sent that i was drunk but i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't help a

notice the difference in tenor between that and the, the mark that I saw before the draft that, you know, at 4 o'clock today. Well, we can get into it, but I, there, no, I, you know, we'll continue on with what. You're like the person that's been in a really abusive relationship. You've been hurt so much. This has been so many of these nights, right. It's just like. You have the force field up, but at the same time, we all know you, Mark.

We know there's something going on behind that, that wall, and it's probably excitement. I think it is. I don't know what the, you don't know. what the order of the show is, but we can get into Mayfield whenever you would like me. How does Mark Bennett? Who do you think we're talking about it? Here's a thing.

I will say what happened. And it was, it is touched. It is a Twitter type thing. The minute they pick him, I like the pick. I told you on the show last week, I didn't want Sam Darnold. I did my, it was not enough as much homework as as carbs and some of these other guys. But I watched all these guys and I came away really loving kind of the energy of Baker Mayfield.

I loved Rosen too. but they got Mayfield. I thought that was a twist and turn that no one saw coming two days ago. But I do think that there were a lot of people in that building that did their homework that came away feeling he was their guy. And right away on Twitter,

and this is an issue with Browns fans in general, it's immediate from half of them or a segment of them, immediate negativity. And it's like, can you let it breathe for five minutes before we start killing the organization for an off-season worth of homework? We have no idea. Have we learned anything at this point?

whether you're a fan or you cover the game or both, that you do not know on April 20-whatever how this is going to shake out. We've been wrong so many times. With people that are doubting the Browns, it's obvious why they do it. It's based on track record of always picking the wrong guy. But that doesn't mean, and as a Jets fan,

I'm saying the same thing, that doesn't mean they didn't get it right this time. That's why this is such a great night. It's a fresh start, and I don't think just because you've made mistakes in the past and anything in life that you stop trying. The scared thing to do would have been to not pick a quarterback at all because you want to continue to be one of these teams that doesn't have one.

You tried for it. Let's see how it works out before we kill it. You weren't in the Browns War Room, so you can't give a definitive answer on this. But I got the suspicion that Scott McLuhan, who has a very good track record and is very opinionated, his fingerprints are all over those first two picks that the Browns made. Do you have any sense? Well, here's the thing. When they showed the war room, when they were all hovered around,

It was not hovered around John Dorsey and Hugh Jackson. It was John Dorsey and Scott McLuhan. And Scott McLuhan has been a Baker-Mayfield guy from the beginning. And I think that for the people in that building that wanted Donald and there were those people, that McLuhan's voice and whoever else felt the same way won out. I don't think this was unanimous. So we'll see how that plays out. So this is how the 2018 NFL draft.

We'll get to actually how it actually really started with Roger Goodell taking the stage. We'll get to that. But this is how the first pick sounded potential history. It is history, one way or the other, for the Cleveland Browns. Baker, Mr. Dorsey, how are you? Hey, let me ask you a question. You won't be the first pick in the draft? Well, buddy, boy, I want you to get excited.

With the first pick in the 2018 NFL draft, the Cleveland Brown select, Baker Mayfield. Wow. It is Baker Mayfield. It's so funny because, Greg, the whole process of the pre-draft and the endless speculation. Mayfield never was connected to the first pick. And then out of nowhere, he shows up in about 48 hours before the Fed.

Right. Nothing until this week. Nothing. Right. It was all Darnold and Josh Allen. And it just goes to show not only that no one knows anything, but the NFL's changing a little. And this was a gutsy pick. And I think the fact that it's the Browns and just all the attention of Mayfield,

He's such a famous guy kind of overshadows what an unlikely pick he is because he's an under a walk-on player who became a Heisman trophy winner who's under 6-1 who's coming from a spread offense. Those are all sorts of things that the NFL sort of didn't have an open mind about as recently as, you know, a couple of years ago. And I think along with the Lamar Jackson pick at the end of the round, it's maybe thinking about what's the NFL? NFL turning into and that Baker Mayfield fits in that it was so interesting that especially and we

talked about like bake and everybody Baker Mayfield Johnny Mansell I thought I give the Browns credit that and it might be the McLuhan effect like it was very easy to turn away from Mayfield because we already went down this road where we went for the flashy guy the Heisman trophy winner the guy that moves the needle that has some ups and some down some off the field issues it would have been very easy just to cross them off the list. And I thought at the beginning of this process, there would be no way the Browns would take Mayfield for that very reason. But I think they sided one thing about the Browns,

you've got to give them the fact that they are not afraid to make a splash and take chances. And they're doing it again here because it could, I mean, there's a chance, West, that it doesn't work out. But there is the very real chance that it does. And then everything changes for that organization. It does. And I think if you're among the group that has Sashi Brown already, nominated for Sainthood.

It has to be a very vexing pick because you kind of are, it's a letdown. Where's your angst? Where's your rage? You can't rage against Josh Allen because you took the analytics darling number one overall in Baker Mayfield. So there's got to be a little bit of it. If you're one of those guys

who's just always analytics, you can't get mad at the Brown. That's very well said because it says that someone, whether it's John Dorsey, whoever, did listen to the analytical argument here. The AIQ score, he was off the charts on that. Baker Mayfield, in terms of his accuracy and the way he graded out from PFF in multiple categories was the number one analytics quarterback in this draft. And outside of

Darnold, there was no one else really even close. So you can't just say that John Dorsey is this big meathead football guy that just falls for body type because that's not what happened here when it finally came down to the pick. No, I think he takes a lot into account. And it's his pick. I mean, As much as McLean has influence, I'm not sure Scott McLuhan knew the pick either until very recently. It's Dorsey getting all these opinions and making the pick. And I do, who know, there's no way to know, but I have to imagine that they believe Baker Mayfield had the right character

and the right attitude to take on this challenge, that they liked that. I mean, Dorsey is kind of a in-your-face guy. Like, they liked his bravado. I think that was a, like, whatever character or anything you want to talk about, I think that was a plus. I mean, anyone who's ever played sports has to like his bravado, right? Right?

Well, did you, so Dorsey had this quote yesterday, and it may apply to Mayfield or anyone that had these, you know, hovering character concerns. He told Josina Anderson from ESPN, he said, if you have certain blemishes on your track record, I want to meet with you face to face. I want to see what lies within your soul, and I'll find out within 15 minutes if you have a soul or not. That is an insane quote, and I kind of like it.

Before we move, it is. He's now kind of turned into a guy that we expected to go high in the draft, but it's still kind of a, it's a surprising pick to some people. Like Mike Mayak didn't have him in his top 20. Right. 20 players. Josh Norris, who we had in the show, didn't have him in his top 20 players. So people saw these quarterbacks all so differently.

I mean, some people had Rose in one and the other guys were buried, not even in the top 20, and then vice versa with Mayfield. It's like every team saw them so differently. So what we're going to do here, we just talked about Mayfield. and if you're a listener of the podcast, you know that as we walked up to the draft, we went a deep dive on five of the top quarterbacks in this class. All five of those guys were actually drafted in the first round. And we'll go through the Giants and all the other picks in between.

But after the Giants take Saquan Barkley number two, the Jets then take Sam Darnold. And this one feels like it's been a year in the making, and it was quite like a roller coaster because a year ago when the Jets were being talked about as a potential 0 and 16 team that's when the suck for Sam or as I coined it the scam for Sam

started and just this belief if anything if nothing else eat this 1 and 15 2 and 14 and then get this guy who at the time last year was the number one prospect and then things happened the Jets ended up winning five games and you thought they were out then they traded into the top three

but you still thought they that Darnold wasn't in the mix and then on top of it the Jets didn't even think Donald was in the mix because they didn't even schedule a private visit with him until right at the deadline and then things started to change. So there he is sitting at number three. And I applaud the pick by the Jets because I know they were hot on Rosen. I know they liked Mayfield, but Darnold is, to me, the safest bet is everything we're hearing.

And I don't get too worked up about the turnovers last season. I think that he has enough quality tangibles that make intangibles that make you really excited that they have a long-term guy. Wes, did you like this pick? I did. and all you, Dan Hances, have asked out of your team for the past 12 months is to deliver Sam Darnold and give you a way off the hamster wheel that is the irrelevance of a bad football team in the NFL.

All you wanted was something that gave you hope for the future because there is no hope in the present. So I think mission accomplished with Sam Darnold, who many people viewed as the top quarterback in the draft. He's somebody to build a run, which they haven't had at the quarterback position, They failed with Mark Sanchez, drafted number six in 2009. And ever since Sanchez, it's been just one middling veteran after another, one band-aid after another.

And it got very frustrating as a jet fan. So the idea that maybe now it actually worked out the timing, maybe the fact that they liked Mayfield, but the Browns liked Mayfield and had the opportunity to get them ahead, that it actually works out and the Jets end up getting the guy they wanted all along. Something could go right for the Jets. If you look, if this works out for them and they do a Jets, football life at some point. The way that this draft played into their favor is part of the story.

Outside of Chad Pennington and a one semi-intriguing season with Brett Farr, this is a stunning point of departure for a Jets fan base that had no quarterback like this to really rally around. This is a scout's favorite, and they talk about him being the safest floor and potentially the highest ceiling you have to see. I think the fumbles would concern me a lot more than the interceptions based on the way they look at his tape at USC to not have good wide receivers last year either. But I think if you're a Jets fan, you have to feel like from a certain point of view, they potentially walked right into the best quarterback in the draft. I think it goes down to fit, and it's a good fit for the Jets.

The highest rated quarterback Daniel Jeremiah has graded in the last three draft classes. Love it. And there's no complaining about them moving up to three now. What you didn't realize and what you couldn't have known at the time was giving up the 6th and the 3-second rounders, that kept you in the mix for Darnold, which I don't think he would have lasted until six. Who knows, but probably not. No, it all, what a night for Mike McCagnan,

who is very much on the hot seat if they had a terrible year or if he picks a quarterback that struggles. And the trade, which had a gamble to it, because you really didn't know exactly. I'm sure they loved three quarterbacks or they were comfortable with whatever they got. But to get Darnold is incredible. And I do think it matters that he's the third youngest quarterback

drafted in the first round. since 1970. He's 20 years old right now, and Mayfield's 23, doesn't mean that he's a better prospect, but I think that's something to consider. I mean, that's playing against older player. Right. That matters. He is significantly younger, and you got to keep that in mind if he ends up getting thrown out there this year, but I do think that gives him a little more room to grow and to keep getting back. That's an upside. There's no doubt. I mean, if you, you can wait two years to play him. I don't think they will. I think they'll probably more likely wait two months, But he would only, he'd be 22 at that point.

I mean, you've got that extra time to, you don't have to, like, burn. Baker Mayfield, you wait two years with Tyrod Taylor. Baker Mayfield's 25. That's an issue. That's a tenant of analytics in every sport, that it's always better to get the younger player because you're facing older competition. If you can do it at a younger age,

plus you have that upside to grow. I think that's something that scouts and analytics agree on. Don't you think, like, his, and Daniel Jeremiah made this point, I think there's something to it, just that Darnold's kind of the flat line unflappable guy in the draft that doesn't get too high, doesn't get too low, that that's, I think that's a good way to be in New York.

Yeah, he seems to have the right temperament, for sure. And I had really gotten excited about Mayfield. He's the most exciting quarterback, I think, in this draft class. And then Rosen, Wes, you've played into it because you're such a big fan of him and everything I've read and heard about him. I would have been okay with Rosen, but Darnold's the guy that from day one

was the guy that I really wanted. So the fact that they actually got to pick, it's a very good day. Got a lot of texts, obviously mentioned, how you feeling, you happy? I am thrilled. This is one of my favorite Jets days in a long time. And you don't have to tank.

Enough with this tanking business. Go handle your season the best you can. And if you do that, you come out with the right guy. Well, it worked out. You started, you know, tweeting scam for Sam. I think it was still two seasons. It's about this. Yeah, right.

Right? It's come to fruition. It all happened in the end. It was kind of a wayward crazy path to get there. They needed to, because of the three-game winning streak, which was horrible in September, they needed to trade away three-second round picks. That was the cost of that winning streak. But if Sam Donald is the real deal, it was a great trade and a great day in Jets history.

The next quarterback off the board was number seven overall. That was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers spot. But they traded to the Buffalo Bills. And the bills, what do they do with Josh Rosen on the board? They say, no, give us the other Josh. Josh Allen and Mark, this was a interesting day for Josh Allen that they started with, and this is like the new thing, I don't care if you're in sports, entertainment, politics, whatever. Make sure if you're young enough that you had Twitter when you were an idiot 15-year-old, you got to wipe that.

Scrub it. Just in the off chance you become a public figure. If you work at NFL media, scrub it. I would suggest it to some of them as well. Right. but even at least you're a grown men and women here sure if you we didn't know this we're old men but these kids they're getting killed Josh Allen some moronic tweets as a kid how old were you and you got on Twitter you just got me thinking mark we should we should go back there I mean I have stuff I tweeted

like three 20 years not this is a different these tweets everybody got on in 2009 this this came obviously at the worst time for Josh Allen and it it put him into I don't know for lack of better words like damage control right to a high degree that began in the middle of the night even a smith can you think of anything worse it's i mean i think if you're josh allen yeah a little bit of a red flag that his first thought hey let's call stephen a smith because stephen a came on later in the day and was like josh called me back again it was like what which leads to this is like hey there's a problem let's call step you know you don't call stephen a because then the top headline on draft day before your draft the most important day your life is uh that josh allen calls uh in a

panic after tweets surface. You don't want any of that. I thought you said the, I thought you were going to say, Greg, the big red flag was his walk-up song was Bon Jovi's Wanted Dead or Alive. I thought that was what you're going to say. That's like the deadliest catch theme song. It is, right? Yeah.

But anyway, so it just feels very bills, right, that Josh Allen ended up there? I mean, he already was the most polarizing quarterback in this group, in my opinion, because you had people, you know, scouts that I think are, like, sweating over them. and they watch him because of the physical build and what he offers. Not in the pants you're saying. Absolutely. I honestly think that it's a scout's dream. Depending on who you were as a scout,

Josh Allen, if he worked out, is everything you'd ever want in a quarterback. And if Josh Allen goes in the other direction, the way that's so many fear, then it's a Bill's draft pick where you're thinking, there were two Josh quarterbacks in this draft, and you took the one that is highly implode potential, and you went Josh Allen, and who knows. I mean, we don't know how it's going to work out,

but this is not a guy that, by all accounts, is going to walk in week one and start, and this is the team that potentially could have used a week one starter. AJ McCarran is the guy that's probably going to be starting their season. I have a contact that you guys know. I won't say his name, but he works with us. He's a huge Bills fan, legit. And I checked in with him because his alma mater was,

my quarterback came from his school. So I was like, how you doing? And we had talked about the draft leading up to him. it. So this is what came up on our instant messaging client. Me, so, ellipsies. Jesus Christ, I want to throw myself off this balcony. This is him speaking.

Yes. The second part of that, or the whole entire statement there. That's what he said. And he was very upset. And I wonder, I haven't really dug into fan reaction where Bill's fans are on this because you had a chance to get a much safer process. in Rosen, but you chose the upshot guy. Maybe because he could throw it in Western New York West.

Because he's got a howitzer. As a physical specimen, you could not draw up a more perfect quarterback for Buffalo than Josh Allen. Purely from physical tools standpoint, he's perfect for that franchise. And I don't know, maybe wait and see how he does in an NFL game or three before we write him on. No, we have to make a decision right now. We could just decide we know everything about football and we can tell how not

having wide receivers will affect a guy's pro career or, you know, playing a little bit injured will affect how he's going to do the rest of his career. I don't know. I just think don't write him off. No, it's interesting. They had a certain type they wanted because I don't think you can look at the pick in a total vacuum. They decided to trade out of their number 10 pick last year, passing on Patrick Mahomes, who got taken there, and then Deshaun Watson, who got taken two picks later basically to pick up draft capital and now they use a lot of their draft capital to move up for both of their picks but especially this one they gave up a pretty big price to move up for Josh Allen and take them and I pointed that on on Twitter and a lot of bills fans are like well it's not

fair it's a different GM you know it's like well first of all that's your problem you fired your GM right after the draft that's a sign of a bad organization second of all I don't think dog waley was making the picks last year two days before you got fired I assume that's that's an organizational decision. It's Sean McDermott. They're taking a chance on Josh Allen. You've got to like what the bills have done overall since Sean McDermott's gotten there.

But this is basically the one pick that's going to either make or break them. I saw your reply, actually. You didn't say it's your problem. You said, this isn't an MP. This is a YP. It's a, it's a risky draft, but they also could have hit a grand slam with these two picks. Yeah, he could be better than Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson for all we know.

I think Edmonds, the linebacker, DJ's number six overall player and DJ called him a potential perennial all-pro he seems like a physical freak and is exactly what that Bill's defense needed in the front seven I'm intrigued by what Brandon Bean has done and Alan a little bit like Blake Bordell's coming out I think who I was excited about coming out

is if nothing else I think is going to be fun to watch for as much as he's been dogged like he's a he's an interesting player to watch Like when you see what he can do, it's not like you're going to be, he's not someone I'm like, oh, I'm annoyed that I'm going to have to watch Josh Allen this year. Like, good or bad, I think it'll be kind of fun. I wish Claibon was here because then we could have him on to do trash takes. The trashiest take from Josh Allen was LeBron James sucks. Come on. That guy's unbelievable.

He's almost neck and neck with MJ. No, he's not. It's not premier NBA analysis from Josh Allen. The next quarterback off the board. Oh, yeah, you got to go to pick 10. So we end up with four QBs going off in the top 10. And this is my favorite trade of the night. I love that the Cardinals, remember at the Combine when Steve Wilkes is at the standing at the podium.

And I don't know, one of you guys I think was with me. But it just, there seemed to be so much working against Arizona in that moment in time. You didn't have the quarterback. you didn't have the coach anymore the iconic coach and he was trying to fill those shoes and he didn't have the same charisma and he had all these holes on his roster and he had Larry Fitzgerald coming back but Larry didn't really have anybody to throw it to him they signed Sam Bradford and everyone's like yeah okay gave $20 million to Sam Bradford but now you trade up and you get Josh Rosen and Greg first of all he's in the tribe I know you're excited about that

I'm rooting for him second of all you told me downstairs that you were happy to go to the Jets because you didn't want to have to even entertain the idea of rooting for my favorite team. So you must love the idea of the Cardinals in the future. Yeah, because I'm going to root on Josh Rosen wherever he was. Even if he was with the Jets, I would have rooted for him, and that would have been annoying.

Not only because I love his personality and the way he carries himself and the things he says, but because I love watching the tape that I watched. To me, he seemed like the one that you saw him play college football and you said, that guy should be starting on Sundays. I can see, like, all the traits that you look for in terms of anticipation and accuracy and especially being able to throw under pressure.

And you're like, this is the guy. This seems like the safest pick. And I love him landing in Arizona. They have a lot to work on around him. It's not like any quarterback playing for that team. I think is, you know, set up for, you know, immediate success with their offensive line and their wide receiver group in general. but you have David Johnson

and you probably don't have to play right away if you're Josh Rosen, at least not until like week four. You think San Bradford could get traded? Well, I'll tell you, it's, it's, draft day has become an annual horror show for Mike Glennon,

who potentially doesn't even make the roster at this point. I forgot about Mike. Yeah, for Mike Glennon. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, like 30 million dollars last year.

I am not weeping for him, but I would just say the guy is annoyed. It's been about like last year he was at the draft party. I hope he wasn't at the Cardo's draft party. party this year. I'd stay away from draft parties. Because Rosen was the guy. I mean, he made $18 million the hard way on some level.

Let's just say. You don't have to feel too bad for the game. I've made a lot less money in a lot harder way. Rosen was the guy everyone thought is maybe the most day one ready starter, but he's the one who actually comes into this situation if Bradford is healthy, which is a huge if where he won't need to really play. Josh Rosen, by the way. Or he could start week one.

who we knew from reading that piece in ESPN the magazine. We had on the writer and all the study. He's an interesting guy, and he thought he should have been off the board sooner. In fact, he made a mission statement the moment he got drafted to let everyone know that he wasn't happy. Here's what he said on NFL network after he got drafted. Yeah, I mean, I was pretty pissed off as I was sitting in the green room.

I was seeing teams go by and pick some other quarterbacks that I think I'm very, very clearly better then. Mm, sauce. There are nine mistakes made ahead of me. And I will make sure over the next decade or so that they will, they will know that they made a mistake. I mean, a little cliche. Love it.

Love it. A little cliche, but it's fun. Yeah, it's the page out of Peyton Manning's book, you know, what he told Bill Pullian before the draft. But look at how bleak the Cardinals were a few months ago. Yep. Losing Ariens and Palmer and what's the future and how can you possibly get a quarterback. and now you get not only the consensus best pass in a draft, but now one who's exceedingly motivated

and is burning up, you can tell how pissed he is, and that's ideal for the Cardinals. You give up a third and a fifth compared to what the Jets gave up. Right, they didn't really have. Is that what the Raiders? That's where they moved? Yeah, was this fine. Come on, John Gruden.

I'm telling you, that is a fleecing. that is a fleecing you know what else is a fleecing what john gruden got for martavis brian today so maybe even stephen it's not even stephen josh rosen is a much more valuable commodity than march davis bernsey and you can question the raiders first round pick and a lot of people did right away it was tackle colton miller but they probably were going to take him there at 10 so you get what you can you move back five spots you get a third round pick it's not it's not the end of the world yeah since we're here martavis bryan acquired by the Raiders from the Steelers in exchange for the 79th overall pick.

I know Brian's had off the field issues. I know there's possibility that he's in knucklehead. Wait, you're saying that's a steal for the Raiders? That's a total steal. In the final year of his contract, you're giving up a third round pick for one year of a guy you can't count on? Or he's an all pro. I don't know.

We obviously differ in opinion here. I mean, all pro. I think Brian has an incredible upside. If he was an all pro, wouldn't he play over Juju Smith-Schuster as a rookie? We know that he had a falling out. And Juju Smith-Schuster is a player. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, all pro is a bit of it. I don't know.

Like, for a guy who's that big of a risk and is in the final year of his contract, that's not exactly a steal. The opinions differ. The contract, I agree. You call them one of the top 10 most talented wide receivers in the game a couple years ago. So it is. Bro Nouns. Or Wessling called him.

Yeah, but since then, he's proven to be a horrendous teammate and unreliable. It's a risk. I kind of like the John Gruden Raiders. They're not going to be boring. Well, they also may not be interesting. We will find out. I want to say one thing about Josh Rosen that I feel like for months. Well, they're on my radar because I'm annoying by the way they operate.

I don't quite get the plan at this point. He keeps saying I inherited this team that's rough and tumbling us all these needs. What are you doing to improve it? Please lay out your roadmap to me. I'll wait and see. But when it comes to Josh Rosen, I mean, he's laying it out. He's giving you a roadmap. You know what?

Here's the thing about Josh Rosen. I feel like for weeks and weeks and weeks, it has been telecast to everyone. This is this year's version, potentially, of everyone passing on Aaron Rogers. And it's so on the nose that he's hanging out with Aaron Rogers. And he's doing specials with Aaron Rogers. And they're sitting there on the grass discussing life. And he's got that same chip on his shoulder. And here it's happened that I think this is a quarterback we're going to look back on

and say, I understand he wasn't a scout's dream for various reasons. But we can get excited about Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. Maybe they work out. But I think all along, I think teams are going to have to look at themselves and say, why, if we're so newfangled and new thinking that we're picking Mayfield at one and we're picking Lamar Jackson at 32, how did this guy get down to number 10 NFL? Preach. This is the guy I would be concerned about if you're in the NFC West or if you're a team that did not pick them.

The thing that was crazy to me, and I know we want to move on, is both Daniel Jeremiah and Mike Mayock were adamant. This is the best pure passer in this. draft. And it's like, well, what is a quarterback's job? How is that not your, you know, neither one of them ranked as their top. To win from the pocket is what John Elway said a week ago. What I've learned over the years, the number one job of the quarterback in the NFL is to win from the pocket. Steve Young, the most effective rushing quarterback, dual threat quarterback in history, has said the exact same thing. The job of an NFL quarterback is to win from the pocket. And yet John Elway passed on Josh Rosen. That's fair. Well, there's this other side of

Josh Rosen that all these guys like him that way, but they all buried him in their ratings and their rankings, and it comes down to this, does he love football enough thing? And you know what? Also durability. Okay, durability. Let's say he plays for 10 or 12 years and he plays at a high level. He likes football enough. Well, I mean, I just, we don't know him personally, so we'll see. And David Shaw, who played against him and who was, I believe, on the same staff with Andrew Luck said he's the best pure passer since Andrew Luck. Like, it was not just this year, but that's a guy who had to watch his tape for three straight years. But does he love the game, Greg?

Does he true? Read that Mike Silver. Love the game. It was a good one. And the final quarterback taken in the first round, yes. As Mark alluded to, number 32, the Ravens trade up with the Eagles, who, Jeremiah, who, Jeremiah did a nice job today on network and he knows his stuff. Obviously, they should give him a podcast.

I feel like that would be a good platform for him. Yeah. I don't know if it would thrive or not or if it would work. Maybe team him up with somebody. I like Bucky. He's good. Maybe start a podcast. It would start as a middling show for four or five years and then maybe elevate as the audience.

You get a build an audience. I think the ceiling is middling with a move of the sticks. Very much so. I'm just naming it because I know that's the Twitter handle he uses. Low floor, low ceiling. Yes. But very good job tonight on the telecast in prime time on Fox. Good job.

Anyway, number 32. Dan's been cheering down in the newsroom. voices getting a little husky I'm a little under the weather I'm fighting through Kim Cairns the little C cannot stop me on this glorious day in Jets history the Ravens select Lamar Jackson

and the narrative was cooking at 212 degrees Fahrenheit immediately that it was Ozzie Newsom's goodbye gift to the Ravens all right everybody to count down about that but very nice move I think for the Ravens and everybody was excited about it

and everybody's excited about Lamar Jackson's potential. Steve Smith wanted to play this because I quite enjoyed this, who also did a very nice job sitting outside AT&T Stadium, immediately did some, and remember Steve Smith as a former Raven who played with Joe Flacco, had this to say about how he believes the arrival of Lamar Jackson will affect the Ravens quarterback room. There's going to be not just some thick competition. You got RG3, you're out, buddy. You got Lamar Jackson and Joe, who's looks like He might be just like us. Five more minutes until we're out of here.

I love Steve Smith. He's not like any of these other talking heads out there. You know what? It keeps it real. It was amazing. They had him on the set with Troy Aikman and Mariucci and seeing Troy Aikman's face as... Oh, Aikman could not wrap his head around who he's sitting there.

I like this. It was just like, wait, Joe Buck doesn't talk like this. What's going on? Why is this man being human? I thought Aikman did a great job. He did a great job. really good job, but he was clearly not going to like be slamming other NFL courts.

That's not his MO. He's a total pro, but he's very establishment. Sure. And Steve Smith works for the epitome of the establishment, our company, but he doesn't talk like a guy that works for the establishment. That's why I like Steve Smith as an analyst. He's great. I am in love with

what Ozzy Newsom has done this offseason, if not only for the congruency. His plan has come together. The offseason plan and the draft night plan. The offseason plan, three new wide receivers, totally upgraded that room. He knew he needed a first round tight end. He's got some weapons for the passing game. And now you get Lamar Jackson as your insurance policy for Joe Flacco. And the offensive

coordinator who called the plays in Michael Vick's career year 2010 is the offensive coordinator now for Lamar Jackson. I think Ozzie Newsom has had a really interesting offseason. And I think his plans have all come together. Yeah. And to Steve Smith's point, I don't know if insurance policy, I don't know if that tag will last that long with Lamar Jackson. And obviously he's going to need a little time to acclimate, but at the same time, like, when you're Joe Flacco and you spent last season kind of lumbering around with a bum back and you've got this electrifying, like, five-star athlete behind you, I mean, yeah, you get out to a nice one-and-three start in Baltimore. Lamar Jackson's not going to be, not going to take too long for them to put him on the field. It's crazy. I was trying to think, like, what starting quarterback and backup quarterback could possibly be any different than these two.

And then I remembered, oh, wait, Tom Savage was replaced by Deshawn Watson in week one last year. I guess you can pull it off. You can make that transition pretty quickly if you want to. It must be like George Mike and watching Wilts Chamberlain and Bill Russell come into the league. It really, it's amazing because it's the 30-second pick, but it's as fascinating and as exciting as any pick that was made. As the number one pick. Right. Look, he beat out, he lost the Baker Mayfield and the Heisman trophy this year.

He was third. he beat out Deshawn Watson for the Heisman Trophy two years ago, and he just watched him. And I don't know if he's going to translate or not, but he's the best, like, Troy Aikman put it well. He's like, I haven't seen any player enter the league like that making moves like that since Barry Sanders. Like, that's the type of running talent that he has. And so if you can combine that and create the right offense around him, like, I don't know, I'm all in. There was some, I was watching in one of his games earlier, and there's a play where there's total chaos happening. He's in the pocket.

he goes out, he comes back into the pocket, completely sets his feet and throws a bomb like 56 yards downfield right on the money. It's not just chaos happening with this guy. He has pocket presence. I think they were kind of saying this guy's game is going to grow very quickly because of how quickly he grew in college. And the Ravens are going to win like three Super Bowls. I'm going to drive off I-10. By the way, this is the first round in NFL draft history that was book-ended by Heisman trophy winners. I don't know that actually.

I just made it up, but it's probably true. And the first draft since 99 with five quarterbacks in the first round. I like that nugget. I like mine a little bit more, though. I mean, I'm just, we led with yours. I came in with a secondary nugget. Yours is the Robin to his Batman. Don't like that.

On another note, Greg, I know you were busy cranking away on your winners and losers of night one during this draft, but I know it hurt that your Patriots, who are Brian Hoyer, as next man up, passed twice on Lamar Jackson in the 20s. Yeah, that's what I wanted, was Lamar Jackson, especially when it got to the 31 pick. I just would have been so much fun to look forward to a future with Lamar Jackson. Do you think they decided, no, not for us? Because why not at 31?

The value there. I think Dan's with me on this one. I was much more disappointed that the Jaguars passed on Lamar Jackson. Yeah, that was surprising. That would have been a very intriguing fit, and I guarantee you that would have put the fear God into the rest of the AFC. Well, Wes, how about, by the way, the Bengals?

Yeah. This is a team that just handed Lamar Jackson to the Baltimore Ravens, and you have had an identifiable issue at quarterback. But there's a reason he went 32. Right. This podcast, this room is on fire about Lamar Jackson. Right. Spice racks on fire about Lamar Jackson.

A lot of people like Lamar Jackson, but there's a reason potentially he didn't go in the top five. And there could be nefarious, like negative, unfaq. fair reasons, or maybe they see qualities in his game that aren't up to snub. And that's the fun part. We're going to get to play out. Sure, he's a little bit more of a projection, kind of like Josh Allen, who, you know, was taken much earlier, but he's a little bit more of a projection. I think the Patriots probably had him at some point on their board.

They would have taken him, but they loved Sony Michelle, like who is who we can get to. But I bet they just thought he was a difference-making talent that mattered more. And so they took him. I wonder if Dave Gettleman, speaking of teams that maybe would have been interested in Lamar Jackson, was getting excited because picking second pick of the second round tomorrow the chance of getting Saquan Barclay and we could now transition into the rest of the top 10 the Giants pick Saquan Barclay number two overall maybe and they leave the quarterback position unsettled not going to get obviously Lamar Jackson tomorrow but

Barclay was the guy that we heard forever and ever a lot of people thought that the Giants would trade out West but at the end of the day they went with the guy that they think is a potential all pro year after year can't kill him for it right yeah Greg had a smart tweet the other day that the the Giants entire offseason feels like an apology for benching Eli uh in order to start an over apology like the mark sanchise contract that tannin bomb gave him yeah but it went after Peyton manning but their entire offseason is also another thing it's very telling that they think macadu was a terrible coach and that eli manning is salvageable that this team can contend with Saquan

Barkley and that they don't need another quarterback because the problem wasn't Eli, it was Macadoo. I think they're right about the Macadoo part. But I still think, and Eli's got every chance to succeed now. I mean, that group around him is awesome. Yeah, I mean, Barkley, if the offensive line is what they wanted to be.

You could make the argument, I guess, that even if they go 6 and 10 this year and they're annoyed because Sam Darnold's looking great for the Jets, they have a great-looking offense for the next quarterback they eventually do. But I just think you're in that spot. They have a killer schedule. They have a killer schedule.

If Eli bombs with that schedule, who knows how schedules work out, but if the Giants go 5 and 11, they'll still have all these studs and then they could go all in and maybe getting a quarterback next year. But it is risky, though, because they do risk now Eli falling off a cliff next year and this guy Darnold playing in the same building potentially lighting up. of the AFC East, and the Giants don't usually lose PR battles to the Jets, but it is, they are walking that tightrope, hoping it doesn't work against. I think from weeks and weeks and months ago,

they looked at Sequan Barclay and said, I don't care who is there. This is our guy. They have felt, they fell so hard in love with him. And it was a best player available, but it also addressed a burning need for the Giants that has been dogging them for years. And I think it fundamentally changes their offense. And I think the running back shouldn't be taken high idea is old.

Because of costs all this business. Come on. I think they should have taken a quarterback. But once you took that out of the mix, like, I don't get that a great running back changes your offense. And especially in today's NFL, where if you can have a guy who stays on the field all three downs and is a huge factor in the passing game who can run better routes than your slot receiver, it's like those guys are such difference makers.

Of course, they're worth the high pitch. winning percentage in the first year more than any other position historically. Moving on. So the Cleveland Browns have their second first round pick at number four. It is the pick they got for trading. Their pick last year to Houston, which became Deshaun Watson. And they get Denzel Ward at cornerback. A lot of people thought Bradley Chubb would go to either the Giants or the Browns at two

and four respectively. But instead, Chub goes to the Denver Broncos at five. So those are two picks that you can't quibble with really either. All I'd say this, I understand like the gaffs in our newsroom when the Browns didn't take Bradley Chubb. And they are. That is going to be one of those picks and they seem to always fall into this world where you're going to be tracking Bradley Chub forever if you're a Browns fan at the same time. I think it's easy. How many people who are casual fans even know who Emmanuel Ogba is, who is a talented pass rusher who is,

was perfectly adequate, beyond adequate, to pair with Miles Garrett, who you put a high draft pick on a couple years ago. Do you just keep selling these guys down the river? I think Denzel Ward was DJ's number four player in his top 50 list. This is not, as Roto World stated well, it was a surprise, but it was not a reach. They were one of the worst passing defenses last year and have been for years on end. You get an incredibly athletic cornerback coming out of a school that produces good cornerbacks. in Ohio State. So as much as it's all about Bradley Chubb not going to Cleveland,

it's the way it is. You've got it. I think part of it was also the idea of Miles Garrett and Chubb on the edges destroying quarterback. Right. I honestly think I think that I understand that Agba's not as flashy right now in April. I think that you have two very good pass rushers and you just, I don't know. It's their decision.

Well, they just think Ward's a better player because you need as many pass rushers. I mean, they better be right. As you can get. He's the highest drafted cornerback since Charles Woodson. Wow. So he, I mean, that is a difference-making statement that they're saying about Ward. The Colts at number six, a lot of people thought they would trade out of that pick. They did not.

They stayed there. And it makes a lot of sense that they went with Quentin Nelson. We talked about this last week, or on Monday. This makes a lot of sense for the cults because they're putting things back together slowly. And what do you have to do more than anything other than getting Andrew Luck back in the field is find a way. to protect him so maybe it would have been good to stockpile some picks but getting a guy that people talk about is a potential gold jacket type guy can't quibble with that either that's a solid pick everybody's been begging the Colts forever to fix their offensive line I didn't think it was

that big of a problem last year but Quentin Nelson like you said he's viewed as the next Steve Hutchinson the next John Hannah he's spoken about in these reverent tones as as you know what Dave Gettelman would say a future gold jacket guy, to me, that's, for a Colts team that just needs difference makers at any position, why not go with the safest guy with the big ups? And everyone on draft they want flash. They want you to go get someone that they can imagine scoring touchdowns and blowing up quarterbacks. And then this might be the guy that like 14 years from now retires as a shoe in Hall of Famer and the best pick in the entire draft. Although we heard that Chance Warmac and Jonathan Cooper were like those sort of guys too.

Like, yeah, you can't miss on these guards up high. So you're saying bum pick by the coach? I have no clue. I feel like Nelson was even the way he's been spoken about is different than even those guys. Yes, I agree. He's had more hype. We'll see. But you can't eat the pick.

The Bears take Raqwon Smith. Rayquan, Roquan. Roquan Smith line back around of Georgia. R. Smith. Bears look a lot better. Yeah. They might be the most improved team in the NFL. They look a lot better.

And he seems like. one of, again, it's dangerous to say that, but one of the safer and just like you'd be shocked if he doesn't end up working out types of picks. 49ers address a need. The first tackle off the board, Mike McGlinchie had a Notre Dame. And then, of course, there was say Rosen at 10.

That was the top 10. Other takeaways from the rest of the first round, get us started, Greg. Well, just going off McGlinchie, and it'll be quick, was that all the analysts believe that this tackle class was bad. Most of them had very few. in their top 20.

DJ, for instance, had one tackle in his top 30, and I don't even think he went tonight. And yet these teams, I was wondering going into, are they just going to reach for guys because there are no tackles. There's no tackles available in free agency. There's no people say they're all stink in the league. And the 49ers take McGlinchie. We'll see if that to reach.

The Raiders were reportedly, according to Mayak, going to take him at 10. And then once he went at 9, they decided to trade back and they take another who Colton Miller, for whatever reason, seems to really piss off the draft. Knicks that he's a bum and it's some sort of like zone blocking project for Tom Cable, which hasn't really worked out in the past. So I'm wondering with these tackles and the Patriots took Isaiah win,

who for whatever reason the draft Knicks like a little more might play guard, like whether these guys will wind up being reaches in the long run. I look at a Dolphins team. In Minka Fitzpatrick, you got a player that Nick Savin out of Alabama absolutely loves, adores, and I think he's going to be a great pick for that defense. at the same time, you're the team at number 11 that watched Josh Rosen picked one spot before you. And we just talked how transformative that pick is just for us,

watching all these teams, how differently we feel about the Cardinals because of the presence of Josh Rosen. We'll find it if we're right. But the Dolphins will never have the chance to find out what that team, which has been one of the more hideously boring offenses to watch during our tenure here, what they've needed an injection of life. And we talked about adding whether it was Baker Mayfield was the guy, they were linked to, but it could have been

Josh Rosen, and you sit at number 11, you don't move, you allow teams to jump up ahead of you, and you will pay the price. Well, there's the fireball on that one. Hudson Burner, I think in going back to Adam Gase at the owner's meetings,

I really believed him what he said. He's into Ryan Tanna Hill, and I think he probably has sway in that organization, and they trust his judgment on it. That's what I took out of when we met with him. And that's what I That's why I thought they were never going to get involved with this quarterback business. And now we're going to see if Tannahill has one last shot, apparently there was a report.

I never thought they'd trade up, but I was really, that was almost the most exciting moment of the draft to me. That and when the Saints traded up and I thought they were going to take Lamar Jackson. Right. Was I was waiting for Josh Rosen to maybe be there because I was so fascinated to see would they kind of move on from Tana Hill or not if he felt. A near miss of intrigue there haunts Greg. And since you mentioned the Saints, let's bring it up because they, make the trade with the Packers, giving up a first round pick, which is premium real estate in this national football league, which led to on the NFL network set Mike Mayock and

Jeremiah, who's definitely, I think he should start a podcast. I think a lot of promise. I mean, definitely something. I mean, some promise. Don't set, don't set the goals too high. You just want to have a nice loyal, small following. That's what he should do. But I think what happened here is. West could not stand the quasi-reel, potentially not real beef with DJ. So everybody got so fired up. The listeners like it. That's all that matters.

The people got so fired up on this dais about the Saints getting Lamar Jackson. And then Raga goes up to the stage and announces Marcus Davenport. And yeah, I think it feels like a missed opportunity. Can we stop buying the hype every year that the Saints are going to draft the first round quarterback? Thank you. Every freaking year, people. hook, line, and sinker.

Oh, yeah, of course the Saints are going to draft the first-round quarterback. They got Drew Brees. Give me a break. Also, the hubris that you're only one player away from a title team. You're also one or two injuries away from being the most disappointing team in the league, so calm down on one player away from the Super Bowl. It's always, those trades very rarely work. The, yeah, we're just one player away.

Let's just go for it. Like, the trade value chart essentially exploded after this trade. Like the Saints totally disregarded any sense of value and gave the Packers new GM, Brian Gutakins, the little win for his first because he ended up using those picks to move backup, got a ton of value. I really, I did not like this move. First of all, he was talked about as a project, Marcus Davenport. You know, they don't have a great history drafting pass rushers.

But I like it a lot less when I heard Sean Payton's defense of it. He said, people may say that's a lot to trade up. It appears to be a lot, but shoot, what's our country's national debt? There you go. What is he talking about? Yeah, he's like, let's bring up a totally crazy, faulty economic model. You want to live in a deficit. Yeah, he's like, he's like, let's just be the around the NFL podcast racking up credit card bills in hopes of our bonus arriving.

One note on Marcus Davenport and the Bob McGinn annual scouting, you know, product that he puts out, which is a great read. Great product. There is, well, a lot of people love him. They say head of steam, like if he was A and the quarterback was B, it was a straight line into that. So there's a lot of promise there. So it's not to knock him.

This is from a scout, though. He said also, he's into some weird shit, poetry and shit like that. He has other interests. He's not an alpha dog, but he's a pretty talented guy. Other guys killing him for being a renaissance man. It sounds almost like the defensive version of some sort of Josh Rosen thing where, oh, he has too many other interests. So it's like, I mean, I don't know.

Who is this caveman that they turn to for an opinion? These scouts are unbelievable. Poetry. Alvin Camara is a renaissance man. I worked out. I like, speaking of Steve Smith, the Carolina Panthers are attempting again to address the wide receiver position. They drafted DJ Moore out of Maryland. He was the first wide receiver off the board.

And Mr. Smith had this to say about Mr. Moore. You really want to know the trouba how I feel? they have never been able to replace me until today. That's awesome. They also called DJ and his spirit animal. Yeah, he said that before the draft. So it's almost like they were listening. By the way, after he brought up Troy Huckman before,

after Steve Smith said that, the camera stayed on their dais. And Troy Hickman looked like he was a guy like, just back from Moore who saw too much, just staring straight ahead. There was just no reaction at all. What is happening? That wasn't what the Ravens went too.

It was really my favorite subplot of the intention. That Aitman Smith chemistry. Oh, so good. Do you mind if I throw out a couple days away? Please do it. The Chargers didn't miss the playoffs because they choked. They missed the playoffs because their field goal kicker was terrible at the beginning of the season. By the end of the season, they were clearly one of the best teams in the league.

And now I believe they have the best roster in the AFC. Derwin James, a guy who was viewed as a top 10 talent. They needed a safety. That's exactly what they got. They've already got a defense that might stack up with anyone's in the NFL. I love that pick. They picked up Mike Pouncey at center to help with their offensive line. This is a team going in the right direction.

Yeah, Dan, if you thought we were going to jump off the Chargers bandwagon? It's not happening. I mean, I always know once August rolls around, the Chargers are the most unbeatable team in NFL history. And then by March, we're talking about how the next year's Chargers will be unbeatable. See what happens. Maybe this is the year. I don't know.

This is on your radar. This is your John Gruden and the ratings. This is my Gruden. This is definitely my Gruden. What else, Wes? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the past few years have had an embarrassing front seven. Can't rush the passer, can't stop the run. They're always injured.

And now they're sort of copying off the Eagles where they've just loaded up to the point where not only have they fixed their front seven, they are absolutely loaded with Vinnie Curry, Jason Pierre Paul, Vita Vaya, who they drafted in the first round, Mitch Unrun, Bill Allen, That's not even including pro bowlers like Gerald McCoy, Levante David, you've got Kwan Alexander at middle linebacker, you've got Noah Spence as a pass rusher. They are absolutely loaded in the front seven. That's how you fix a problem. It reminds me of the Eagles.

I mean, they've just firebombed that area with so much depth and so many numbers there that they're planning to kind of rotate them in and all in and out, and they feel like quantity is going to be maybe a little bit over quality. Like, even if they miss on a couple of those guys, it doesn't matter. They're going to have a pretty good defensive line. Seahawks traded back and actually picked in the first round for the first time in a while.

And they're looking to now solve what's become a problem for that organization, the backfield. And they drafted Rashad Penny out of San Diego State who goes before Sony Michelle, who Michelle, right? Yep. Who a lot of people are very high on. He goes to the Patriots, Greg. They have two first round picks, Michelle, and they also took. the guard, which cost you some sandwiches. We'll get to our sandwich

props on Saturday. But your thought on the thoughts on the Giants or the Patriots Friday? I was like, well, who's that guy from Subway? Jared just passing out sandwiches. I mean, I would not compare yourself to Jared. Not a apt comparison

on any level, Greg. You've got to use somebody other than Jared. Who else is the famous Santer's dealer? Maybe go in a different direction with your parallels. He's in a prison sexual predator. Yeah, you're just walking past the cell and I'm throwing

he's in the hoose gal. It's an unappealing comparison. How that's Santa? I don't know. Sony Michelle was reportedly questioned by some team's medical staffs and taken off boards as a risk. That's just the type of player that the Patriots often

like to take kind of a high risk, high reward medical guy. When you watch him, he's the one guy after Sequin Barclay in this draft that I think you see as just a guy who can change your office. He's maybe not going to be on the field as many downs. He's not as big a player as Barkley, but he's a tough runner.

Like I heard some comparisons to Alvin Camara. And like Camara, even though he looks like a little more, a little slender, like he can run and run people over in addition to be a really dynamic guy in space. And so he landed in a perfect spot. I mean, that's a great team. Whenever you can get a guy with a bone-on-bone situation. It's me in the first run, you've got to make that move. To be like your fifth running back.

But to your point is one of the few running. back that were left that could play all three downs where there there's a lot of these two down guys I think they clearly I would think agree that he was number two behind Barclay in terms of like did he have the potential to have a Camara type impact mark do you have one more before we start to close things out I think it's cool that two brothers were taken in the first one I know that NFL number kind of beat that into a dead horse on air but um it's like kind of crazy that you this was a father their father fair Harold Evans played for the Dolphins was on Tecmo Bowl, Wes and I remembered.

Oh, yeah. But we're not going, we'll go through the rest of our lifetime and never see that again, probably two brothers in the first round. And, you know, it's tough if you're the Steelers to say we didn't even, if they, let's say they took the lesser of the two at number 28 of it plays away, that we didn't even get the best player in this person's family in this draft. That's an unusual dynamic. But maybe they did. We'll have to see. Falcons took Calvin Ridley at wide receiver, which hopefully makes Matt Ryan a more consistent fantasy player. I like that pick.

In 2018. I like that. Nice wide receiver. Are you going to get sucked back into Matt Ryan on the fantasy front? I don't know. I've been hurt. This is a speed wide receiver. It's not necessarily like a...

They needed that. Yes, they did. Most Sunu fits better as a number three and they needed someone a little... Oh, come on. Sunu's been great as a two. He's a great player. He's been one of the best twos in the league. He gets a lot of hype for a very good role player who's never topped

800 yards in his career. Like literally... That's what's his boy. He moves to sticks when they need him to. He's a great role. role player. Move the sticks. That's what they should call the podcast.

He was the number two receiver. I'm one of the greatest offenses of the 21st century. He's good enough to be a two. He was. And I'm a falcons. I love the Falcons. I want them to win the Super Bowl one of these years. Like, I'm rooting on the Falcons.

And I think this is the number of the next should put them right back in the mix. And my final thought and just circling back to the top five, one thing with John Elway, when John Elway sees what he wants, he goes and he gets what he wants. This one's for John, this one's for John, this one's for John, this one's for John, this one's for John, this one's for John, and that one's for John. And that's what he wants. What does he go and get? Oh, just the greatest defensive end in the history of pro football. John Ellie knew exactly.

John Elway gets his man. John Elway hung back, and a lot of people were picking up the phone, trying to trade with John Elway, but John said no. He is sticking with his man, Bradley Chubb, generational talent. John does it again. He's back on top, folks. So he's basically saying, oh, do you want to see a man play the first round like a fiddle? How about I step in and do it for you?

It's like, hey, you didn't think I believed in Case Keenum as a franchise changing quarterback? No, I totally believe in Case Keenum. Keenham over Josh Rosen for the next five years. It's a huge risk, Case Keenham, because that defense looks now like it did a few years ago when they won the Super Bowl. And you've got the best pass rushing foursome in the league with Shane Ray and Shaq Barrett behind Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. Pretty good.

You're getting after the quarterback. You're hitting them all day long with that defense. And then you've got Case Keenham leading an offense that cut its running back, hasn't fixed the offensive line, and has. aging wide receivers on the downside of their career i'm kind of in on them though as just like uh i'm intrigued don't you want to watch that team i want to watch that team whether they're whether they're yeah yeah that's i mean watch every team yeah yeah Greg your bar for wanting to watch teams is relatively low so sue me i work at the NFL i'm just saying like if every team is intrigued

i just say no teams are intrigued i totally agree with west's point on the defense and if nothing else the case keenum thing uh is is is interesting whether it fails or not. How would you feel if this Broncos pass rush were to crack Tom Brady like an egg in the middle of November next season whenever they played? They've done it before. You fired up for those Frankie Ragnow Lions? Oh, yeah.

I was waiting for your point about the Lions. That's right. You were not, Wes. I don't want to pick on the Lions. Before the show, you weren't thrilled by the Ragnow pick. Whenever you got the second best center off the board of the first one, got to do it. It's probably a great football pick. I just, it's not doing the lions any favors as far as becoming an interesting team to watch.

But the good news is they got right to work in their offseason program this year. So it's trending in the right direction. They really are. In terms of just effort level about taking football seriously. I mean, when you can get rag now just two years after you took Graham Glasgow as a highly. Wes is highly annoyed because Wes in the mock draft that I released yesterday, which was highly. Good work, by the way. It was suspect.

Inaccurate. Firstly? Yeah, largely. But Wes at the, at. One pick after the Lions had Frank Ragnow mocked to the Bengals. And then the Lions, in reality, IRL, jumped in and just stole Ragnow away from the Bengals. And Wes was seething in his seat, seething. My takeaway would have been a little bit different than that.

It's the reminder that the Bengals operate like a 1953 NFL team and they still make territorial picks. So they went for their high stage. Like, oh, a center from like 40 miles away. Got to get him. Got to get him. Like they only take the guys they have for the local. local visits where they can have them there all day. Got to take Chris Perry over Stephen Jackson

because Chris Perry played in the big tent. Wow. I love those regional stars. The most uplifting moment of the evening was Ryan Chazier walking on stage. Obviously, laboring to get there because the guy's gone through a lot and still has a lot more to go through

after suffering that spinal injury, but very cool to see him coming onto the stage with his fiance and announce the Steelers pick of Thorell Edmonds. That was very cool. And finally, Roger Goodell, you thought that Goodell, walking onto the stage to start the NFL draft, would not lead to booze.

Would lead to booze, especially Dallas, where the Ezekiel Elliott suspension and all that negativity. He's going to get booed almost anywhere, but especially Dallas. But no, as you'll hear in this clip, he got a rousing ovation. Let's listen to it.

Welcome football fans to the 2018 NFL draft, Texas style. I can't believe you guys are going to Cowboys. Come on. He's being a good sport about it. But it's funny that the move was, and it was a smart attempt, a smart effort here, Goodell came on the stage with all. the big dogs. It was Troy Aikman.

It was Roger Stauback. And it was Jason Witten. And it said, all right, this might counteract the booze. It did not. They got to start doing this like in 345 Park Avenue in the NFL home office. If you really want to avoid the booze, it's part of this event now. It's kind of fun. The booze were louder in Dallas, I guess because there was more, it was indoors mostly and more people.

But that was insane. You couldn't really, you couldn't hear what good else. said for the first two minutes. But we have to, if we're going to be talking about the crowd, we have to give the edge to the, you know, the Philly crowd from this year. Won the Super Bowl and your draft crowd also got to the draft crowd also just beat the cowboys at everything. I mean, it's just, I mean, the draft threatens to become like a late period

Dave Matthews album, massively overproduced. What happened to the rawness of it? Can we just get back to. I'm just saying it's excellent analogy. Just a little bit, a little bit too shiny. Yeah, great. Come back to us, where is the Ants Marching era DMB?

Yeah, that's radio. Yeah, as opposed to just like the gritty, like, low-fired early. I'm not, it's not really a Dave Matthews comment. It's just at the end of the Dave Matthews run, it was like, please with yourselves. Very different product. He's right. It was actually a really good analogy.

There you go. You're thinking like, this is like, circle like everyday era Dave Matthews. Whereas at Radio City, it was like under the table. and dreaming. Yes, very much. I think it's very generous of the shadowy league figures to allow us to continue to talk about music. Very nice.

We will be back on Saturday to recap the final six rounds of basic overview of the draft. So make sure you check in on Saturday. And thank you to everybody for listening. And if you stayed up late waiting for this show, I hope it was worth it. You guys are the best. And it's the dawn of a new day. Yes, it is. I believe.

Should we go get a drink? We got to celebrate. Oh, yeah. Let's go get a drink. Cozy time. This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm. The mailman, the old boss. Oh, yeah.

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