NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Draft Winners & Losers!

Episode Date: April 29, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- recap Days 2 and 3 of the NFL Draft and give their overall thoughts on this year’s Draft class, including Shaq Griffin joining his twin brother in Seattle and the phone call he got from the Seahawks (4:30); The Steelers pick a QB late in Mason Rudolph, along with his top WR from Oklahoma State (16:00); Darius Guice gets drafted by the Redskins, falling all the way to No. 59 (31:00). The Go Get My Lunch Sandwich Board update leads to more intriguing draft reactions and debates (42:00); Plus, Jeremy Bergman takes time out of his impeccable acting career to check in from Arlington — not Dallas — to describe the scene from the weekend (1:08:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the NFL podcast builds through the draft. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanzas. I am in a room that is just filled with heroes. Two of them wearing the exact same shirt.

Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. To be clear, Dan, these are sweatshirts, not shirts, just to give you a little bit of a brief garment rundown. They are really adorable. In honor of the Patriots' ridiculous drift. Yes, this is a lot of bubbling heat already in the newsroom downstairs.

Chris Wessling has. Two howitzers attached. It's the only gun I know because of this draft cycle. I only know howitzer. Not happy or not impressed by what the Patriots did in this draft. Greg already on his heels. How am I going to combat Wes here? This is going to be one of the great scientist podcasts of all time.

I can already feel it. Your quarterback is 40 years old. How about a modicum of a sense of urgency? I've never, I love it because Wes has never sounded more like sully from Dorchester calling up the E.EI. What the heck? You traded for future picks? What's going on?

Well, Greg, here is one thing. Did you get a lot of ups and downs. I've had very limited range. Through a lot of ups and downs with the Patriots, you know, the Tom Brady suspension. Also, Greg, or Wes has been your constant traveling companion in terms of. Carrying that water. Right.

And I would say, up and down the hill. Up and down. Post Jimmy Garoppolo trade. That in like 15 victories a year. Post Jimmy Garapolo trade, Wes is out on New England. He is out. It's a combination of things with the Garoppolo trade, but the backbreaker was Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl

and that just ridiculous notion of benching one of your best players because, you know, it's only the most important game of the year and what you play your entire season for. And you're like, no, no, we can't use one of our best defenders today. Bill Belchuk, you should know. Chris Wesleyan turns his back on you. Ask Mike Brown. It's over.

There's no going back. Yes. I think he's going to sleep at night. Four and 12. Yeah, he's like, wait, draft analysis. negative from West, the draft expert? He put in that much homework into the draft compared to me, and he knows better.

Oh, my God, I'm done. Just slightly disrespectful, Greg, towards West. So if you are, yes, listening, if you're still listening, that is the big heat bubbling underneath this show, which is the final recap of the 2018 NFL draft rounds one through seven. How much do we respect round seven? We're recording this podcast as pickings. 227 from the Dolphins comes in.

Facts. I mean, listen, let, how about this? Hit me up on Twitter. Let me know who Mr. Irrelevant is this year. I'm fine. You're out on Mr. Irrelevant more than ever before. You feel that the vehicle no longer is relevant. I think it's time for the whole Mr. Irrelevant stick to be put to bed.

By definition, it doesn't matter. Yeah. I think when the real Mr. Irrelevant, you know, who I love, when he passed away, they should have gotten rid of the tradition, you know, with him. Did he pass one? I think he's still alive. Okay. Now, he doesn't matter.

Lindsay, can you look that up? Can you see if Mr. Relevant? No, that was the joke. He's alive. That was the joke. But, you know, that is, that is some stunning humor, Greg. I don't know. All right.

So, what's today's show about? Yes. If you are not caught up, go and listen to our Thursday night show where we recap all the first round picks, a lot of sex appeal in the first round with five quarterbacks going. and all that fun stuff and all the trades. Now we're going to go through the whole draft and also a little bit of winners and losers of the 2018 NFL draft, and that's always fun.

But let's talk about some of the big news that kind of came out of Friday and Saturday. And I think the story that everybody kind of loves, and it was obviously the big human interest story on Saturday, but also a kind of interesting football story was Shaq Griffin joining his brother in Seattle. And this is very cool. Lindsay got us the audio of the phone call from Carol and Schneider, the GM speaking with Griffin when the draft went down.

Let's listen to that. Yeah, what's happening? I told you no doubt. Oh, sorry. Wrong one. Hello? Shakeem. It's John Schneider calling, buddy.

How you doing? I can't even breathe right now. You get to play with your brother again, okay? We're going to pick you right here, okay? 141. Yes, sir. Thank you so much. And here's Coach Carroll, okay, boy.

Congratulations. Can't wait to see you. Oh, my God, thank you so much. Shaq, you okay? I can't breathe right now. I'm not going to have feet. He still can't breathe. Oh, my God.

Hey, well, that's a real deal, man. This is a great moment, and we're really excited about it. We're expecting you to come in here and bust X now. You know that, right? Yes, sir. I'll give everything I got. I know you will. I know you will.

Congratulations on it. Congratulations to your brother, too. your family. I know everybody's really excited about this and couldn't be sweeter. Be humble. We'll do this. I promise you that. I know. It's freaking awesome. Congratulations. That is so Pete Carroll. It's freaking awesome. I thought it was. I mean, a lot of things

in the NFL draft, by the time you get to the end of this seventh round, I think sitting in the newsroom all weekend long, that you can start to feel a little worn down by some narratives that just get pounded into your head over and over. And, I mean, this certainly was on a pretty quiet third day of the draft, a centerpiece.

But that call watching, you watch the video too, if the Seahawks tweeted it out, it is cool. I mean, it is like the way this ended up, this is a guy that didn't even initially, wasn't even on the radar of the combine. And so to go from where he went, not forget about all the other stuff beforehand, from the combine to here to wind up with his brother in Seattle.

And the one thing I do trust about the Seahawks, that this isn't some sort of PR move on any part on there, but they know who he is. Shakeem Griffin, he was born with some type of abnormality, which led to them having to amputate his left hand when he was four years old. So it's a tremendous story. The idea, and we heard about it leading up to the draft, this guy could get drafted. But now he's actually in the NFL, and that's what makes it such an amazing story.

It's freaking awesome. Mayok had good analysis, too. They have to find out the key with him is how to use him. He's not an immediate fit for a lot of NFL defense. he does something's really well, and that Seattle you trust can do it. I stand in all of his determination. I can only imagine how many times throughout his life he's been told that he can't do something. And the amount of willpower you have to have to put yourself in this position.

And, you know, Bob McGinn, who puts out a great draft product, pulling scouts, longtime Packers beat writer, a lot of these scouts are negative about Shaq Griffin and say, you know, he's not going to have a good NFL career. I wouldn't draft a guy. Good luck doubting this guy because every time he's been doubted, he's come through in a superlative fashion, including just knocking the doors off the combine, leading his college team to an undefeated record as a leading tackler.

I wouldn't doubt him. I mean, as recently as I think a season or two seasons ago, he was thinking about quitting because he basically had no place on the Central Florida team, had to change positions, had to figure out if he could even play. and it's such an amazing story because we all have brothers in this room and to see the two brothers crying while they're hugging was one of the best draft moments ever

because one of the biggest reasons Shaquim Griffin is there tonight is because of Shaquille Griffin. He refused to go to any college that wouldn't also offer his brother Shakim. He could have gone to a lot of bigger schools and instead he made it happen where he brought him and Shaquim to Central Florida and then for the two of them to go into the NFL a year apart on the same team. I mean, you just can't write this stuff.

Yeah, and to your point, like for us, the Shaquim Griffin's story is pretty much new and months old at most. But for him, I mean, we all have kids too, except, you know, Wes, Wes does not at the moment. He will someday just to sum that up. But, I mean, you watch your own kids. No, more on that. You watch your kids have difficulties, and yet what he's dealt with from a very young age, and we know how it is to be a kid in school and they pick on anyone that's different on any level.

His story has been going on for so long. This is an unbelievable moment for that family, and the NFL, the way it turned out for the NFL, it's going to be cool to watch the Seahawks because of this. They said basically he'll back up KJ. Wright. That's the position that he's going to be starting at. It's a good spot to be. Special teamer. So there's a great draft.

story every year. There seems to be some story that network latches on to or ESPN latches on to. And this is that story, but it's a great story. There's no other way around it. Sometimes they're tedious. This is the opposite. Sometimes you see the strain. In this case, it's a very organic, beautiful tale.

Let's move on and talk about some other stuff on the football field. Hey, the trade tsunami. You think Dallas is safe from a tsunami? You think that where it is positioned on the map, which is kind of central northern Texas area. Not safe. The tsunami hit because Tavon Austin, the wide receiver that the Rams once upon a time took eighth overall

and then gave an insane, totally insane contract extension to a couple of years back. He never matched the hype and the pay. And he was briefly cut this offseason, if I recall, and then brought back. It was something weird. It was reported that he was going to be cut. It never happened.

All right. But whatever the case may be, the Rams decided, well, that's the case. Thank you, Greg. The Rams decided they were going to move on, and they found a taker in the Dallas Cowboys who take Tavon Austin off L.A.'s hands in exchange for the 192nd pick in the 2018 draft. So something of a salary dump, Greg. And the big news out of this in terms of Austin going forward is Ian Rappaport reports that the Cowboys want to use them as a running back exclusively.

That was one of the worst contracts of the decade. It's amazing how Sean McVeigh is kind of just erased a lot of problems that happened during that Fisher era. They are currently eating the $4 million bonus they gave them a month. I was very confused about this trade at first. Like why would the Cowboys take on that money? But that makes sense. They had given a $4 million roster bonus, which was guaranteed. So basically the Cowboys are taking at least $1 million off of the Rams salary.

And the Rams get a sixth round pick for their trouble. I still kind of don't understand why it's even worth it for the Cowboys, but I guess they're just desperate for any playmaking help. For me, though, the idea that, oh, you know, no one's figured out how to use this player, so Dallas is going to use him as a third downback. We like the athlete, but I mean, who do you trust more? McVeigh or Scott Linnehan to unleash the so-called talent well of Tevon Osse? And, oh, by the way, he was a running back last year for much of the season,

and he was terribly used. And Sean McVeigh did a very poor job. When Bill Parcells came up with the word satellite back to describe a back who needs to be in space, it was derisive. It was these guys don't have enough power. They don't have enough in their pants to break tackles. And Tavon Austin, we see these guys.

He doesn't get personal about it. No, he's too small to play football. Again, a little personal. Just happens, like tiny backs who don't break tackles. Now I know what you're saying. Dexter McCluster was another one. In other Cowboys news, 10 days ago, Jason Whitten, their forever tight end, had confirmed he was coming back for another season with the Cowboys. And now the report surface, one from Mort, ESPN, that Witten will retire after 15 seasons.

And he's planning to take a job in the booth on Monday Night Football for ESPN. So after many, many years, how many years? 15 years? and Witten was there forever. He is ending his Cowboys career, it looks like. So the Cowboys, another piece of that franchise, Mark, that's been there forever. Des Bryant gone also. It's a new error for Dallas.

The timing, I mean, if you want to say the Dallas Cowboys did Des Bryant wrong with the timing of his release right before the draft, well, this was equally ugly for the Cowboys because they suddenly had a bona fide need, a tight end. And I don't love the way they handled this. It was sort of some hemming and hawing from Jerry Jones about whether this was going to really happen with Witten. But who cares? You got a plan for the position. And they allowed nine tight ends to be drafted

before they grabbed Dalton Schultz in the fourth round. I mean, you've got to plan for that tight end in that offense with Dak Prescott is a huge position. And you are losing a major chunk of your playmaking ability right there. It seemed like Jerry Jones was trying to talk Jason Witten out of it. but that Jason Witten, according to Ian Rapporte and others, has basically made up his mind as he should, because that opportunity is not going to come around very often.

I'm not really in love with the idea that's like, well, we couldn't get Tony Romo, let's get his buddy. How many Dallas Cowboys are announced a game? Maybe he'll be fine, but it's just too many cowboys. It's like Aikman, Witten, Romo. Right, why is Dallas the eternal pipeline towards, you know, a major broadcasting rules? Well, I mean, counterpoint, counterpoint.

Well, I can't really speak to Stovac, but Aikman and Romer are two of the best things. They're excellent at it. Dandy Don Meredith. Dandy Don, a legend. So maybe there is a reason behind it. And Witten, we knew from kind of covering the story on this podcast that the ESPN has been holding private auditions. So I'm assuming Witten went in there and probably did pretty well. Yeah.

Great career. I mean, I guess we'll maybe get an official retirement. We're probably going to have time to do that when he retires in a week, right? Probably. I also, by the way, think. I don't think it, no, I don't need to talk about his career, but I think he's doing the Cowboys a favor. It's like his playing time and there,

I know he's still helpful, but his blocking was not nearly the same. He's certainly not the same receiver. Like cutting Des Bright and Jason Witten retiring at the same time, almost seems like a good thing. I'm just saying the timing. No, I know. The timing is strict.

I'm saying move on, though. I think he's doing them a favor. It's a sentimental, he's a sentimental part of the team that he's still playing that much and that they haven't replaced. A lumbering playmaker for the last. last couple of years. Right.

And you knew he wasn't helping their passing game. No, and you knew the announcers that weren't watching tape when they were like, and one of the best blockers in the game. It's like he was getting blown up week after week. I mean, it happens. It was in his 15th, 16 year. Speaking of aging tight ends, who may be at the end of the road, Antonio Gates and the Chargers are no more.

This one surprised me. I didn't know that this was cooking, but I guess it all makes sense when you start to put it together. But ESPN's Adam Schaefter reported that the Chargers told Gates that the team will not be resigning him. Gates turning 38 in June. He's been around 15 years. He has all sorts of tight end records like Whitten, probable Hall of Famer. But West, this probably helps the Chargers as well, right? So, I mean, at this point, what was Gates giving them? With all due respect to Antonio Gates' Hall of Fame level career, and he'll get in. This offense was so much

better when Hunter Henry was on the field and Antonio Gates was on the bench last year. Their problems earlier in the year. A big part of it was because Antonio Gates was playing and Hunter Henry was on the bench and then they became a much better offense when they reversed that. But yeah, a guy who I remember watching play power forward for, was it

Kent State? Yes. He was a really good, not all these tight end. Flyers. Do you about to do some, we always joke about the Gates basketball thing, but you're actually to tell us what kind of basketball player he was. This is going next level. I like it. I average 20 a game. Let's go into the basketball lab.

the tournament, and a lot of these tight ends who become football players weren't that great at tight end. Antonio Gates was a very good college basketball. A feathery touch as well. That's prized analysis. I mean, Gates would argue, and he's to set this over and over, that I'm 37, but I'm not a 37-year-old football player the same way that a lot of these other guys are because I didn't play college and I didn't, you know, have all that wear and tear on me coming into the NFL.

He's pretty beat up. I would just say, do you think he gets another job? I mean, does someone take a flyer? Or is he done? I think he's done. Probably not. And who knows, if it was, if they didn't have one of the best. He was a free agent.

If they didn't have one of the best young tight ends in the league, maybe they would think about bringing him back. But Hunter Henry is a beast. Hunter Henry is ready to be a star. So it makes total sense. He'll always have a home on the graybeards, at least for this season. Congratulations.

He locked in at your starting tight end slot. He's locked in, baby. He's locked in. This is going to be the draft that's remembered as the quarterback draft. So why don't we talk about the most notable quarterback pick in day two or three? It was Mason Rudolph of Oklahoma State. The quarterback is a Pittsburgh Steeler after Pittsburgh traded up with the Seahawks to select Mason with the 76th overall pick. And this is why you get a little, you can see it.

You see the future of the Steelers maybe coming together here because they also, Greg, and you wrote about this in your winners and losers piece on Friday, they went in the second round and they get Mason Rudolph's wide receiver that he hooked up with consistently throughout his tenure at Oklahoma State. And you know the Steelers know how to pick wide receivers. This could be the next step in the Pittsburgh Steelers evolution. Yeah, at this point, I expect, if there's like a late second round picked by Kevin Colbert,

the Steelers general manager, who's explosive, which you can see James Washington is just by watching some of the high. Like, you expect he's going to be awesome. I mean, just, I fully expect that. And so combining that with a quarterback, a lot of people liked quite a bit, but is not very mobile. Ben Rathusperger's threatened to retire, so they have to look at a quarterback. He sort of forced them to. Right.

And Landry Jones is just, he had his chances, and he just could never prove or show that he was the guy that they could trust when Big Ben went down or if he suddenly did retire. So this one made a lot of sense. I like it. it's funny because like when we look back on these quarterbacks, you know, wouldn't it be just the typical thing that one of these dates, like a Mason Rudolph winds up somehow being in this great position where he doesn't get thrown into the fire next September and he winds gets comparisons to Kirk Cousins. And you're right, he's not mobile, but he's, but they talk about

he's an accurate pastor that it kind of like, I don't know, just like the Pittsburgh is kind of the perfect landing spot for a quarterback that could sit and chill for about two more years. Maybe then Big Ben rolls off into the sunset and we'll see. And they basically use the pick that they acquired for Martavis Bryant to make this trade. And when I first heard the Bryant trade, I was thinking, well, that's a good move for the Raiders. But Wes was very adamant about it. And now going into the last year of his contract, that is the type of thing smart organizations do. Is trade a guy like him in the last year of his contract and then take a chance on a guy who could be your future quarterback with that pick?

Plus he's a raging headache. So you've removed that from the locker room. In other news, the Cleveland Browns, a lot of high-profile picks, including one in four in the top of the first round. But the number 35 overall pick, they went with Georgia running back Nick Chubb, who overcame a vicious, horrific knee injury earlier in his college career to get back on track and become one of the better runners in college football. And now I ask you, Mark Sessler, as the resident Browns fan, what does this mean for Carlos Hyde and everyone else? else in that backfield. I mean, I think it means Carlos Hyde they can get out of the Carlos Hyde contract

after next season if they're not thrilled with him. Carlos Hyde is not Jim Thorpe. So let's just settle down on the idea that he was going to be their standalone work. I mean, they brought him in. They paid him a lot of money to be on the team. I'd have no problem with, number one,

you need three running backs on your roster to begin with. I don't have a problem with them bringing in Chubb. And Chubb like last year. Where are you lining up Jim Thorpe in 2018? I'm sure the Brown. would somehow find a role for Jim Thorpe if he were in his prime. I wanted them to get Nick Chubb because, you know, when you're kind of just watching this draft, you're not some sort of draft Nick, I was like, get the running

backs, get the wide receivers. And Chubb before his knee injury was an awesome running back. And they said that basically for the entire year after his knee injury was not the same, but towards the end of last season, you started to see some of the elements that made him special before. So I think it's an interesting pick, and, like, they need, the Browns on offense, you can laugh all you want, they quietly have a really interesting young roster of some pretty freaky athletes. So we'll see what happens.

I woke up to 27 text messages from a buddy at Huckapoo's, who is a huge Georgia Bulldogs fan and loves Nick Chub. He is heartbroken. He says he's contemplating never watching football again because he doesn't want Nick Chubb on the Browns. Wow. Well, that's a no, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a hideous take. He was, he was legitimately heartbroken and, um, he feels like Nick Chubb is better than

Saquan Barkley and deserved a better landing spot. But I said, why wouldn't you be happy that he can help turn the Browns around? That's got to be double. I think that turnaround is going to happen eventually and it's, and they, they went out. One of the things is that eight and eight this year. Well, I don't think that's a crazy thing is eight and eight doesn't mean that you need to blow people up, you know, every week. But Nick Chud, they talk about the person.

They love the person as well. that Bob McGinn's scouting report, if you go read what they wrote about him, it's like scouts love the guy too. So the Browns are, you know, there's a couple character question marks for their day today, but they went out and tried to find guys who are leaders as well, which has been lacking in that lock. On that subject, the Browns also in the fourth round took Florida wide receiver, Antonio Callow.

Now that's a character guy. And this is a guy that, according to people in the know, has first round type talent, but has been a complete knucklehead off the field, was involved with a sexual assault investigation in which he made comments about his marijuana use took him out of any type of possibility of being involved and then there was a credit card scam and I said it to you downstairs.

My first takeaways, well, yeah, let's get that guy in a room with Josh Gordon. So I would have some concerns about that but the talent, a freaky athlete, as you say. He's been training with Antonio Brown. I just had a daughter. And by his words, he says that having a child changed a lot for him, and we'll see.

I think it's definitely, he's sitting there in the fourth round, primarily and exclusively because of the person he's proven to be over the past couple years. So there's one or two things. Either, like I said to Wes, either you get two birds, one stone where he just pulls Josh Gordon out with him at some point. Or maybe Josh Gordon, maybe Josh Gordon's been through enough where he's actually someone that could help mentor a player like that.

Who knows? I mean, the only thing is that John Dorsey, he took Tyreek Hill who had major character issues and that has worked in Kansas City it's like you have to have the right organization around you to make it work and Cleveland needs to prove that they do. Well, Hugh Jackson needs to prove

that he knows what to do with a lot of talent because you said you can make jokes about Cleveland all you want about their offense. I don't think anyone's making jokes about the talent on their offense. I think people are looking at what they have and thinking that's an offense that should move the ball. And you have a veteran quarterback in Tyra Taylor. You have a number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield who kind of reminded me of Tyrod Taylor, a better Tyrod Taylor when I watched him.

And all of these guys, I mean, they're deep at these different positions. And I don't mind them taking, you can't, the day three of the draft is for taking chances. You can't, you can't kill a team unless it's like seven guys just like that, which is kind of like the Raider. I don't know. The Gordon thing spooks me because this is a guy. Spooks Mark, too. It's been well known. What's funny because like.

He's dealt with demons. And now you're bringing this guy who was younger and more. immature and is currently having issues. It's just like, I don't know if I would do that. The only thing is, the only thing I'd say, it's not to, none of us know these people personally at all. And there's a lot more, they did, they didn't, they, the Browns feel like they do have a sense for who he is.

And we'll see if it works. It's funny because they said about Chubb after they drafted him, he exemplifies everything we're trying to build here in Cleveland. And so like, that's one, one area. And then we kind of take the opposite. Well, that's fine, but you can put, like, by the way, If you're Carlos Hyde listing to that, you're like, oh. Well, by the way, though, you're not just good luck.

Good luck building an NFL roster where every player on it is, you know, a shining member of society. You're not going to win any game. Dan, Dan referenced this, but y'all want the Browns to succeed. We're polling for it. I don't know if everyone is. We do. You reference this, Dan, but I feel like we deserve to read the actual sentence that Tom Pelliserro wrote. Go ahead.

Read it, please. His various legal entanglements. a sexual assault allegation he was cleared of after a Title IX hearing in which Calloway said he was, quote, so stoned, unquote, on marijuana, he didn't want to have sex with anyone. Cleared him of the charges. I mean, it's, listen, it's not a spotless track record

because the issues go far beyond that one incident, so. So that's what's going on in Brown's Corner. They will probably come up a little later in the show. Let's talk about the Washington Redskins. Oh, by the way, we have breaking news. do. What do you got, Wes? The Raiders have traded for another receiver.

Whoa, which one? Cowboys wide out Ryan Switzer, who this time last year was held as some kind of demon punt return who was going to take the league by storm and take Cole Beasley's job has been traded to the Raiders for defensive tackle, Jihad Ward. Jihad Ward. What a name. Is that he pronounced? That's an intriguing trade.

Yes. I thought the Cowboys, I mean, that's pretty early to jump out on him. Yeah, especially the way he was built up last year. Are you saying what I thought they might say, Mark? John Gruden does it again. I'm not saying that. We should get into the Raiders later, but they have had a fascinating draft of taking a ton of high risk, just making like every high risk, high reward movie possibly can.

Jihad Ward was drafted high. I'm trying to remember. Second round of 2016. I mean, he was a second round pick that they. they were giving up on clearly didn't work. I thought they might trade Cole Beasley after the terrible season he had. Not after the tracks he just laid down.

Yeah, he's just laying down some heat. Very similar player to Ryan Switzer. I'm just happy that you didn't shame West for breaking into the show with a relatively low-level move. Because I support as much breaking news as possible. That's correct. This is why we're up here in the seventh round. That supersedes some of your very low-level mezzanine

breaking news elements that you brought. I think Wes brought real news. You've abused the privilege. And when Wes does it, Wes, I think, is coming from a good place, whereas you sometimes I question whether you're looking to keep the show on track or be a little bit of a joke. If I had done the exact same breaking news,

would I have or would I not take a brief? Yes, because this would have been the rare occurrence where you're not undermining the show, but bringing content. Yeah, as a former executive editor, it's a little disturbing that your news judgment isn't better. Who was an executive editor? Wasn't that what you were? Where?

Editor-in-chief? So there's some breaking news. Back to the Washington Redskins. We'll stay in the NFC East and one of the sauciest moves of round two. 59th overall pick, Darius Geis, the LSU running back, who we heard time and time again, was a first round talent. This guy should have gone in the top 20 and all that. however and you know this is these are young kids you forget like how young and immature some of these guys are because you think oh what was I like when I was 20 oh but what if I was also famous and spectacularly talented

and everyone wanted a piece of me at all times sometimes maybe something short circuit I think that's what happened maybe with Geis in this pre-draft process because he rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way and the Redskins who definitely Wes had a need for a player like guys end up taking him 59 they inherit the that come with the pick, but it could have a big payoff. I had a long back and forth with Spice rack yesterday. Spicey! Who told me a year and a half ago when everybody was going Gaga over Leonard Fournett that Geis was more of his favorite player than Fournette.

Spice Rack has loved this guy forever, and he's like, why is he sliding? Well, he made up, he fabricated the story about a team asking him if his mom was a prostitute. Flat out lied about that. And his sexual orientation. Yes. another team caught him lying in their own interview and then the report came out that during his interview with the Eagles there was like at the combine yeah yeah there was there was some kind of

outburst where he got into a shouting match with someone in the room to me this isn't like oh he's he needs a second chance it seems just like he's a potential locker room weirdo which you know don't sleep on the locker room leit weirdo the old brandon lloyd think i mean he obviously has a problem with the truth. Well, he's also, as Dan mentioned, a kid. Right. And so is he going to grow out of that or not?

Because there wasn't any, like, off the field, like, he's gotten into a ton of trouble. It wasn't stuff like that. And I think it's funny because his most obvious comparison, it just jumps off the screen is Marshawn Lynch when you watch him run. I mean, and I can see why Spicerack would love him because, like, his balance and just the way he runs through people. and that he is running so hard like just his pants are on fire

down after down. You know, people compared him to Marshawn Lynch. And it kind of reminds me a little of Marshawn Lynch coming out of school who had a lot of red flags. People weren't too sure about. Ended up, you know, partly short-circuiting his time in Buffalo until he really found a home in Seattle. The Redskins were reportedly interested in taking him

with the number 13 overall pick. Chris Cooley tweeted 10 days before the draft, The Redskins' ideal draft is to draft Duran Payne and Darius Geis. He said that, and that's exactly what happened. I don't think they expected it to happen just sitting in their two spots. They figured they probably would have had the trade up to go get them, so it works out nicely for the Redskins. It's easy for everyone to...

By the way, Redskins need to not tell Chris Cooley exactly what they're going to do. That would help. I mean, he grew up in Baton Roos. He's pretty plugged in. I know. He's the announcer on the radio, and he knew exactly what they were going to do. This isn't the first time Cooley has come on. air and said, this is what the Redskins are thinking exactly, and it's turned out to be true.

This guy's had a really rough childhood, and I think that large chunks of people covering the draft have no concept of what some of these kids have been through before they've gotten to this point. And so, like, the idea that there'd be room for him to grow as a person, I'm glad the Redskins, you know, kept him on their board and took them. Like, Greg, I watched him too, and, like, this is like a yards after contact machine. The dude is a hard-ass runner he's not a big receiver necessarily but he is a fun to watch and he will give that i think the redskins under scott mcclund when he was there we're building a tough offense where when they occasionally would have those games where they would focus on the run it would

work they were a joy to watch they seem like an old school team this guy gives you an answer running back right away if he can they keep his head on the right spot for him they could end up they could end up losing the guy that's now the highest paid quarterback in NFL history and be a better offense next year. Why not? Yeah. In other news,

Kai for Beth, that was competition, Greg. Surprise we didn't leave the show with that. And I know what you're thinking. Kai's Kai. Kai's a guy that's not going to get

too worked up about you know, other people coming in and try to get his job. Kai's only going to focus on Kai, but the Vikings drafted a kicker in the sixth round today. Wessett knows his name.

I don't. All I can, all I know is, I think it's, actually I saw a witty headline somewhere. It might have been PFT. I think it's Daniel Carlson. That's correct. That's right.

From Auburn. Cobra Kai against Danielson. I don't think you draft a kicker in the fifth round if you don't assume he's going to probably take over the job. Oh, no. Yeah. Kai's Kai in a tough spot right now. Yes, he is.

Do we think Kai, you know, Kai being Kai, Kai, Do we think he's really got to take this young kicker under his wing and mentor? I don't know. Based on my knowledge of Kai via someone that is close to him, I don't imagine he's going to be incredibly, it's not going to be like Josh McCown telling Sam Donald, hey, you could stay at my house until you get on your feet. It's not going to be like that type of mentor relationship.

It's going to be more like, I'll kill you if you come on this side of the room. Like take a piece of masking tape in the kicker room and just say, if you step over this line, Kai's Kai, Guy's going to kill you. That type of situation. So occasionally, kickers get replaced for being A-holes. That is sort of what we're suggesting here. I think in any line of work, that's a risk.

Well, I'm not, I don't know him, but the report suggests that he's not a wonderful presence. Okay. Speaking of kickers that some people think may be an A-hole right now, let's hear David Aker is announcing a pick for the Philadelphia Eagles at Cowboys Stadium, AT&T Stadium. Tonight, I'm representing the Philadelphia Eagles. NFC East champs, divisional champs, and WC champs, and world champs, the world champs.

Hey, Dallas, the last time you were in the Super Bowl, these draft picks weren't more. Amazing. That's pretty good. I mean, it's a kicker, and some people are going to say, hey, you know, gone down a little bit. Yeah, me. This was on Greg's radar, like, starting yesterday that Dallas has just been abused by one speaker after the next. I like it as a trend. And it was a response.

I mean, it's a direct response to Drew Pearson last year in Philadelphia. I mean, that's that he came in ready to respond. Drew Pearson comes after them last year. Hey, we happen to win a Super Bowl in the following year. You're going to get it. You're going to eat it. Yeah, that's true. I love it, Aker.

I thought it's a little bit weird. Willie Brown came up, did his Raiders spiel. You heard, oh, Mike Vic. Can we hear Mike Vic, too, Lindsay? And for the record, I never lost to Dallas. He lost twice in six tries. That's not here nor there, but he lost twice. How does he come up with that as a statement?

That's so easily researchable. Vic's had a long, winding life. Maybe some things aren't as clear with him. But you think it is kind of weird that these guys come up on the stage. First of all, they're just, they're up there to announce a pick. And instead it turns into this mega hate fest on the Cowboys. And then right after when they were showing, when they're right after the Acres thing went down, they cut to the Cowboys War Room.

And I know they're very busy because they actually had the next pick. The Eagles jumped in front of them and took their guy and his name was Dallas, which is funny. But you got to think Jerry Jones is hearing this. He's like, why is this happening inside my building right now? What are we doing here? I didn't sign up for this. It is weird. David Acres, you don't play for the Eagles anymore.

Oh, he's representing the fans. He didn't like it. A little too amped up. I mean, a little extra. He was very much. Someone made this comparison, but it was perfect. He was exactly the, he was like a manager of a heel in W. I think it was Bill Barnwell that had that.

I mean, he was, he was Irwin R. Scheister's former manager. He definitely has a little Bobby Heenan in him. What would you say, Lindsay, you are a huge wrestling fan? What would be the famous manager? You're a big IRS fan, sure. Slick. Who would be the wrestling valet? He's not slick.

That was most like David Acres on Friday. Paul Heyman, I guess, like currently, if you're looking for a current guy. I mean, he's definitely Bobby Heenan. Yeah, he's got a little Heenan DNA because Heenan was easy to hate. He was the greatest. He was the biggest heel manager of all time. Jimmy Hart was pretty good. Jimmy Hart.

You know what? Jimmy Hart is not a bad comparison either because Jimmy Hart and David Akers are both sort of slight dudes. You kind of see that too. That's good. Jimmy Hart drove me nuts. You know, yeah.

That megaphone? That guy was annoying. Him and Honky Talk, man, please. You know, it's a trend when... Calm down, Jimmy Hart. I don't know who Jimmy Hart is. The mouth of the cell. I think he was like...

Jimmy Hart, Greg, when you were born, maybe, was like entering his prime. So he was managing a lot of crosovers. He was managing Brett Hart. and Jim Oh yeah Nighthart Okay

Yeah and then he The Hart Brothers or whatever Well let's save it The Heart Foundation Is that what they were? Yes they were the Heart Foundation All right So that's what's going on

I want to get into a little winners And losers We got a lot to do so A few winners and losers now We're going to check in on I go get my lunch props And then we're going to try to get Jeremy Bergman

Who's one of our writers And editors downstairs Who's been in Dallas To get his thoughts on the scene Philly got a major pot it was it's the year of philly right now and you could say kind of started uh with the draft last april when uh philadelphia got a lot of pop for how lively that was let's find out from burgo later how dallas was but let's do some winners and losers gregg will start with you because you

did uh you've been cranking away your winners and losers piece friday was today's piece the sunday piece also some dubs and ls it was more just winners essentially to the teams that how about dubs and ls rebranding your your column because i feel like that it gives it more of an updated spin the way the kids talk i like that i think that would be a rough decision dubs and else okay uh which which team should we go with your funeral i like what the falcons did i like i like the falcons looking ahead and taking calvin ridley in the first round i I think they needed to juice up their offense a little bit that they couldn't let it just sit there. I think getting Calvin Ridley was a great start.

Everything I read about Isaiah Oliver, their second round pick at cornerback, I really like. And I think they have a chance to be one of the better cornerback trios in the league if he can end up being as good as he looks. And then after that, they really stuck to kind of their M.O. I like teams that have defined philosophies. They take guys who jump out of the gym. They take guys who score really high in the spark score and just are great athletes and speed, and you can see that from the third round throughout the rest of the draft. They kind of have an identity, and I thought the Ridley pick especially was kind of thinking a little bit in the future, which I really enjoyed.

I like that for me, and it pains me somewhat to acknowledge us, but I think that Ozzie Newsom in his final draft as one of the greatest GMs that we'll ever, you know, experience, knocked it out of the park and you know and the idea of like you want to leave some sort of a legacy behind I love what they did

with Hayden Hurst at tight end that filled a need but that was a great player at that position and you unlike some of these teams that were too cowed to deal with the idea of trading up

or acquiring Lamar Jackson Baltimore suddenly which I mean Joe Flacco you're a Super Bowl winner but Joe Flacco the stink on him for me has always been just a little bit of a dull aura

around Joe Flacko and that the Ravens' offense especially of late. And the back issue version of Joe Flacco is painful to witness. And the entire Ravens offense for the past couple years has been stuck in the mud. And suddenly you try to tell me that Joe Flacco is going to hold off Lamar Jackson this season. Good luck to you because we're going to get a taste of him in the preseason. And the Baltimore fans are going to freak out if he does what we think he can do.

And there's going to be major changes in Baltimore. And it's going to be Ozzie Newsom. He started this organization with the homework he did in Cleveland to take Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis. That was incredible continuity that Ray Lewis basically is correct. They said the Baltimore Ravens would never have been the team that they turned out to be had Ozzie Newsom not been the guy making those picks so correctly. And he finishes it by giving them one of the most exciting quarterback prospects in the history of the NFL. The Ravens are a winner. They also take Zeus Brown's son as a possible right tackle.

Mark Andrews, the tight end they drafted in the third round, might even be a better receiver than Hayden Hurst, the guy they got early on. So I love what Ozzie did, and I like to look at this, like, in combination with their free agent plan too. I think the Ravens and the Bucks, I spoke about it on the last podcast, have had the two most impressive off seasons, but I already talked about that.

I'm going to go to the Bears. I love the Roquan Smith pick. And then the second rounder, Anthony Miller, this is the guy that scouts absolutely love when you hear things like, oh, dude, that guy's just a football play monster or every quarterback would love to have him. Tough as nails. To me, like, as a slot receiver, doesn't get any more complimentary from scouts than that. I just love everything the Bears have done since the offseason started.

Doesn't it feel like, and they are now entering offseason darling territory a little bit, but doesn't it feel like they are in really good position to make a jump and be competitive in the NFC and it hasn't been that way in a while? They are so much more interesting going into this season than they have been in a long time. I couldn't agree more with Wes. I think they had a great draft and I think they had a great off season. It all kind of like you mentioned with the Ravens, it all compliments each other. I think getting Negi kind of gave them a purpose.

They didn't really have like a vision of what they were going to do with John Fox and now they do. Well, and a year ago, the story coming out of Chicago a year ago was that Fox who we already felt like, you know, you're bringing players into a Fox system and none one's convinced Fox is going to be here. a year or two years from now, which is really a troubling way to enter any sort of offseason process. But now, I mean, and they came out of that draft Tribisky and Fox didn't even know what they were going to do. It seemed like the Bears were in total chaos. They've had ownership issues, I think, for a long time because they just don't simply treat that team with the money allotment and sort of the up-to-date nature that other teams do.

It feels completely different right now. You've got a good GM and you've got a good coach that are on the same page. You're saying that there were tough times in the Foxhole? there were that's exactly what i that was sort of i could have summed up what i just said in that sentence instead uh let's do some losers west i'm gonna i'm gonna wait i'm gonna put you last because i really want to build up to this all right uh gregg a loser who who would be a loser in this draft it's tough to really bang teams i know i know on saturday of the draft but if you had one you did write a dub zanel's column right uh i know i did teams that would get better that egg

got better this weekend basically because of that because it's hard to be like because even the giants who I kind of like didn't love how they're thinking long term they got much better they got guys that can help them right away I actually had them as one of the teams that did get better immediately because they drafted guys who can play right away including their second round pick well Hernandez want to borrow one of my losers sure Joe Flacco well yeah there's certainly player losers yeah I would I mean just listening to Steve Smith comments about Joe Flacco to me was telling, because he's played with Joe Flacco, and I just read more into that than him just saying those comments.

There's going to be not just some thick competition. You got RG3, you're out, buddy. You got Lamar Jackson and Joe, who looks like he might be just like us. Five more minutes until we're out of here. I would say that instead of a loser, you come out of this with a couple teams where you've added more pressure on yourselves because of what you did. And I think the Raiders are one of those teams. Like we said, they've taken, Colton Miller, fine,

except that you traded up for him and you got banged on that trade. You didn't get enough when you went down. You didn't get enough when you went down. PJ Hall was overdrafted in many people's eyes. People hated Colton Miller, too. A lot of people did not want. Arden Key was a guy with a lot of issues that, like, maybe if you unlock his potential, but that people look at him as there's some teams didn't want to touch him.

And Maurice Hurst, like, I feel bad for him because it's a health issue. but it's a concerning heart issue that a lot of teams didn't have them on their board. The Raiders just sort of across the way said we're going to continue to raise eyebrows with what we do. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Mark Davis-Brien, it was a swing for the fences type of draft. Even their day three picks in general, some guys, not just hers, that I weren't as familiar with. They were just either off-field issues or just ultimate boom or bust type of guy. I kind of love that that's the way Gruden's rolling.

Gruden's already haven't answered questions about it. He's already swatting down the doubters saying, I'm not listening to the skeptics. You're like a couple months into this. That's why they make sense a little bit as a loser, that it's interesting how much that there's already headlines in Oakland, like Gruden answers criticism for draft. Like you just don't expect that in his first year back.

All right. Chris Wessling, it is your turn to share a loser. Well, look, nobody likes to second guess what the Patriots do in acquiring players because you'll end up. looking you end up looking like a fool they've been doing so well at it for so long and part of this i guess is just amusing myself because the bit keeps going but i was it's a bit what what are the patriots even doing you got a 40 year old quarterback you've got the greatest tight end of all time who is considering retirement in the next year or two oh what is that you have a very defined

super bowl window and you're like no i don't need any of these picks in the second third fourth fifth round we'll just pick at the end of the draft pick up a few guys by the way we got we got a new left tackle who a lot of people thought was a guard and then we draft sony michel to go with james white rex burkehead jeremy hill mike gillisly guys that they've spent the last two years acquiring running back not a position of need on this team to me like what why didn't you go out and get that next uh developmental quarterback or your quarterback of the future Danny Eatling, baby. Why didn't you get some speed at linebacker

so you have a linebacker who can make a play in a Super Bowl? I was totally underwhelmed with what the Patriots did. Greg? Greg, you have an answer to that. I mean, they took three picks in the first two rounds. That's a lot. And then they ended up drafting more players this year than any year that they've had in like many years.

Big deal, yes or no, that Wes is killing the Patriots right now. He traded Brandon Cooks away for this? It's a sea change. Duke Dawson, baby. I do like that they... Feels different, Mark. It does.

That they traded away the Jimmy G. picks so many different times, including into next year, that there's no way anyone can say it was for that one player because they've now turned it into two seconds and a fourth. And this is normally the type of, you know, Belichick stuff that everyone goes Gaga over. Like, oh, he's playing the board, blah, blah, blah. They have two seconds next year. He's playing scared is what he's doing. The shine is off.

Three thirds. I like the fact that he's planning for the future. It's what they do all along. And basically the conventional wisdom for this draft was like it was pretty lame in the middle. And that's one reason why the Rams said that they wanted to load up on sixth round picks. They have like seven sixth round picks. They didn't believe in the middle of the draft. And so he went and he took a fifth and he took four sixth, whatever.

I do like, Will Brinson basically, to your point, said that one of the losers in this draft process was Jimmy G. Truthers because, yes, they cannot diagram what on earth they actually got or gave up for Jimmy G. For instance, the Bears got Anthony Miller. The Bears gave up their second round pick a year from now and a high fourth round pick this year. I don't really trust the Patriots to make good second round picks because, you know, like most teams, they don't do it. It's a crapshoot.

So they get an extra one for the Jimmy G trade and they get a high fourth this year that they turn into a couple of them. Do you not come out of this slightly annoyed? The Patriots fan that still exists in you somewhere. Not even than the slightest. You're not annoyed they didn't get a quarterback higher up? I would have liked Lamar Jackson, but Sony Michelle was probably one of the most exciting players in the entire draft. They certainly needed offensive line help, and he was, this guy was number nine on Josh Norris' board was kind of like the draft next favorite.

I don't know if that means anything. Have you considered that Bill Belichick has just lost his touch? I kind of believe. Is there hard but tough questions? I've kind of come to the, fair questions. I've kind of come to the belief that almost all general managers are the exact same. same in terms of picking players that it's basically that it's that is a nihilist answer of all nihilist answers you're like a week out for writing an article where you rank the GMs for one to 32 i mean

if that's your conclusion why i'm saying in terms of draft picks in production like that's what the the studies kind of show where would you put ryan grigsin on that scale he had an unbelievable uh 2012 and then one of the best drafts probably of the decade that's that kind of what i mean is it's kind of a crapshoot. Mickey Loomis was one of the worst pickers probably of the last decade. It feels, it feels slightly dismissive of this front office. It's not a hot take either.

That's kind of like the federal general thought. That's like saying all quarterbacks throw the same. Like people have different abilities. For the most part, your pick rate is pretty similar from team to team. Yeah, okay, but except that certain teams, certain GMs find a way, like, or are you saying that Ozzy Newsom is no different than like when Joe Banner was running the Browns. I mean, come on. I think it's an organizational thing, coaching and teaching and John Hedick.

The Glacier and Bill Belichick. Essentially in your world, there's no difference between Bill Belichick and a man named the Glacier. They could just as easily put Mike Brown in the Hall of Fame as Ron Wolf. I'm just talking about draft picked success. And it's kind of been proven over time that it's tough to like be good year after year after year doing that. Well, it's because there's a human element beyond the scope of. the GM's picks to begin with. But in general, there are certain teams that find fit and value, it seems,

consistently in their organizations. And a lot of that, I think, is coaching and having an organizational fit and a million other things that goes into, like, making your team. It's also, like most of what you're talking about is just randomness with injuries. Yeah. I'll throw in one last loser, and I'll say it's all those punks out there who had their fun and their little columns after the Jets traded up to pick three. and oh the Jets gave way too much draft capital up oh too many second round picks what are the Jets doing

can you give us an example I don't want this to be a what are the Jets oh my God the Jets are doing Jetsy things again oh they gave up so much oh yeah cut to draft night and the Jets got the the presumptive number one quarterback period exclamation point Sam Darnold and we sat out round two yesterday not one jet fan was upset about that. And when we missed the one second round pick last year, we won't even think about it because we got a real franchise quarterback. And you know why? Because our man, Big Mac, wasn't afraid to take a little heat to move up where he needed to move up, to put himself in position to get the Jets, the franchise quarterback they've been looking for for 45 years. Did that feel good? So a quick, who criticized them? Every major writer connected

to the football cognizanty. Do you hear that Bella check? Those are McCagnet's footsteps. They were killed for getting just up to three where you're leaving yourself exposed. And if you think I'm hinting at you, I'm not. No, I'm not because I honestly didn't see that or remember it. I mean, I...

The Jets were consistently written as a team. The Jets gave up way too much. And there was also one criticism you had a lot of the... Why didn't they even call the Giants? So the Giants won't even pick up the phone and people trying to get in touch with them, let alone take a call from the Jets. The Jets actually nailed this.

I can promise here. Which never happens, but they did. Here is one promise to Greg and to Wes, and basically to everyone. This will happen at some point, but when it does, when the Jets and the Browns both are hammering teams on a weekly basis, Dan and I will be two of the most annoying people on the entire planet. You two will suffer the most. Yeah.

We are going to be highly annoying. It's pretty insufferable, like considering the Browns literally didn't win a game last year, how much trash stocking. I mean, I put out a tweet last night. It was so ridiculous. And Dan and I are just going to punch or punch. Who is going to be the more annoying fan when this thing gets turned around? And this is all for like a 10 and 6th season. I wasn't, I haven't been bragging about the Jets future or anything, but I feel excited.

You're on the clock now. And the Browns, Jets and Bills, my one last winner, if we want to do a speed round of winners before we move on. Yeah. The Browns Jets and Bill. are all three of the most long-suffering franchises. They all got a big-time quarterback. Now, we know through the history of football, will all three of these guys hit?

Probably not. Can all three miss? Maybe. But one and maybe two of these guys can end up being franchise-type guys, and that means three of the saddest teams in football for decades are about to get a major shot in the arm. That's a big win. I'll give you a quick winner.

I'll agree with that. I'll give you a quick winner. I think the Broncos coming out with Bradley Chubbally agree. Turning around and drafting Cortland Sutton, a lot of people thought would go to Dallas, good wide receiver. They put a lot around Case Keenham, and I think you have to maybe say, yeah, I think maybe Elway believes more in Case Keenum.

Don Elway gets his man. I think them and the Giants are so embarrassed of what happened last year that they're just scratching and not worried as much about the future and looking to get to nine wins, which might not play well this year and not play well in the future. The Broncos could be right back in the playoffs if Keenham works out. I love what they did in the draft. Let's check in with Go Get My Lunch.

Hold on. One quick winner. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I haven't always been nice to this franchise, but the Bengals are having a very nice offseason. Look at you. They trade for a left tackle, Cordy Glenn.

They draft a center and Billy Price. This was their biggest two problems on offense last year, left tackle and center. Theoretically, they fixed those. And then defense, they get a ton of talent, including Sam Hubbard, a guy that Spice rack is very high on. Mleek Jefferson at linebacker, Jesse Bates at safety. I would not be surprised that the Bengals end up atop the AFC North. Whoa, big take there.

I like it. And a little bit of a surprise, got to say. But they've also got guys coming back. John Ross didn't give them anything. He's a major X-Factor. Tyler Eifert's an X-Factor. Joe Mixing could be a stud running back. There's a lot that could go right for the Bengals this year.

Imagine that. We spent five months talking about John Ross last off season, and yet he did not do. would think maybe he will this time run it's like the five months that will have spent you know talking about the patriots demise this off season only to find week two and you guys were all like oh actually we were all wrong i like this we have we have thoroughly gotten under gregg's skin he's triggered all right first time he's cared about the patriots in four years you know why because he actually feels a little bit of heat now he feels wait a second the the tectonic plates they're starting to shift

Your son's grandson at this pace will not witness as many Super Bowls as the Patriots had in the last 20 years. I know that I've had it good. If it's all over, it was fun. Go get my lunch. It's all over for you being in the first place in this competition. Oh. We'll start with Chris Wessling. Wes, more of the same, middling effort.

Doing your best, but you're just not. Effort was there. You're not making the move that you need to. you go five and five you had Josh Rosen as the second quarterback drafted and Josh Rosen was the fourth I think he was right yes 10th overall correct if the Giants stay at pick number two they will draft a quarterback and the Giants stayed a pick two they did not draft the quarterback that cost you three sandwiches you had the Colts will not draft at number six overall only Greg took you on that and they stayed at six and took Quentin Nelson the guard at Notre Dame and you had the Patriots

won't trade up for a quarterback and actually you got that one right they did not trade up for a quarterback uh so you get a sandwich on mark there's two more sandwiches coming from mark yeah i will be i'll be buying a round of sandwiches very soon and the mayhawk one okay so as of now you're six and four but that could change uh for the better mark right now uh let's see the second quarterback drafted baker mayfield you brownies they said we're taking I'm number one and we're just going to roll. How are you feeling about that two days later? What, the sandwich bet or the fact that they said?

I feel fine. I feel good. You hear the report that Jim Brown's not happy. I feel fine. I feel good. He was right about Trent Richardson. True. Feeling good, feeling fine.

He nailed that Trent Richardson, Sessler he had. Don't come at me. There will be four or more trades before pick 20. There were. So you got sandwiches from Dan and Greg. Patriots will draft at least two quarterbacks. Well, they failed entirely with their drafts, so they did not fulfill this promise.

I don't even know if they drafted two players. That cost you three sandwiches. They did pick a quarterback, I think, at the end of the draft. And then the whole Mike Mayock thing you had going on. I don't think he trended on Twitter. It was kind of a nothing, Berger. I thoroughly lost this. Looking back, as I told you downstairs, Dan and Wes,

this was a bad job by me because I should have known a little bit more that the nature of Mayock would know that this was going to be a thing and that he would, in a skillful way, he completely ignored it. He's not anyone's clown. Shout out to listener Cody Darmos, who actually created a fake article in which he described Mike Mayok as being apoplectic. He attempted to help me out there. Mark 5 in 5 there.

Greg? Yes. You saw it coming even before the draft and the meteor struck. You went two and nine. You had Mayfield second off the board. That would be four and nine. If it was updated, but yeah. Yeah, okay, 4.9.

Isaiah Wynn gets drafted between 27 and 32. This was a double-banger for Greg. And actually, in the moment on Thursday night, Mark, was trying to talk to Greg, and Greg kind of snapped at Mark and then took his laptop and went and finished his column somewhere else. Good analysis. Not only did Isaiah Wynn go before that window. I was trying to write the article.

Stinky Davis. Not only did Wynn go before that, he went to the Patriots, and you wanted Lamar Jackson on top of it. I understood why you got a little upset there. Mason Rudolph is the sixth quarterback selected and gets picked before – gets drafted before pick 27. He went in the second round, as we talked about,

to the Steelers. That cost you three sandwiches, and the Patriots drafted QB in round one. That did not happen. According to the way you described these events, Greg is kind of a hipster when it comes to the Patriots draft class. He hated it before I did. Well, you were upset about the quarterback, Lamar Jackson, in round one.

As upset as Greg can get. About the Patriots. Well, no, about the draft. I'm not trying to pretend I'm someone I'm not. I have never particularly gotten into the draft. It's almost a guilty admission. According to you, neither do any NFL GMs get into the draft. The old Zeus are six and two looking pretty good.

The second quarterback drafted Mayfield. no Jets draft Mayfield no but only West took me up on that one one of the big four QBs Alan Darnold Mayfield arose and gets drafted by a playoff team he did get drafted by the bills but nobody took me on it's the way to play it you're sticking bait no uh like the smallest onions possible that's way to win calling you yellow it's fine at least one player from each position gets drafted in the first round uh no kicker no punter how about did it who took the full back uh no full back either in writing according to this.

Well, the wording on the podcast, if you listen to the podcast. Fullback was. I went through every position. Don't get salty with me. I want to check because I'm on the losing bracket here. All I see in print is K slash P. You can. So I will go back and listen.

If you like, go back and look. I owe everyone in this room so many sandwiches at this point. Let me just say. And Mark, you owe me a sandwich area. And Spice rack, welcome to go get my lunch. The most short bet in go get my lunch is the newbie always loses. because Lamar Jackson goes in the top 10. He went number 32.

Only Dan and West got sandwiches off it, though. Now my point about Go Get My Lunch is we spin forward. This is the end of the busy season for us finally. Let's go. Some sandwiches, some payouts. I have said now three times that I will be purchasing sandwiches. What does that even mean, though? I don't want to hear say it.

I want to see the sandwiches. Because I went 14 and 5 last time. I don't get any, but now I have to pay them out. No, no, no. It's been go get my theoretical sandwich for, like, more than a year or two. Why pretend otherwise? So why don't we change that? Well, there's no way to do that, right?

There's a who owes whom tab on Nick Fortier's page. Okay. We can talk afterwards. Okay. I mean, you're going to get a sandwich relatively soon for me. Are you aware that Colleen has the highest percentage and go get my lunch history? It's like the bad. It's just, I guess it's a thorny.

It's kind of like trying to roll back on a lot. It's a thorny one because you owe like eight from the last time. So then it's like, well, how far back do you go? You could go back years and years and it would be kind of boring. What we could do is just, and this is great, Mark, this shows how much I care for you. Wipe all what's owed. But starting in the 2018 season, get back on track with what needs to be done here. Well, all right, I would say, to be fair, I need to be buying the first round and they need to be very good sandwiches.

And then you can wipe the board clean. preferably i will not purchase i'm not purchasing bond me's joint i will not be purchasing those never again all right so there you go go get my lunch dot org nick fortier does great work mark privately told me he was surprised that this wasn't updated uh for i did not say that nick doesn't that is that is that is unbelievable wait a second as i say that i just did a refresh and he has updated it see look at that total pro so you are off mark's radar that you nor were you ever on it but you can you know what let the name narrative fly as it will all right there we go and greg three and nine you got a dub oh eight and four for me short

changed me eight and four eight and four for west nice that is that's a bounce back week no yeah a bit bounce back round five and six remark three and nine gregg seven two dent all right let's get jeremy bergman on the phone i think by way of introduction it should be known that jeremy bergman in addition to being a talented writer and all around good guy also a former child actor starred star star starred in the will feral mike dittka vehicle kicking and screaming some would say the lesser of two movies titled kicking and screaming Greg and I would probably agree with that one

the Noah Bomback version might be just a little bit more thought provoking I always thought he was in the Noah bomb I thought it was not a movie that wouldn't make sense because Bergman wasn't born probably when that was no he would not have been a sense a sentient actor I mean I wouldn't put kicking and screaming too high on the Will Ferrell power rankings but the fact that Burgo

is in the film by the way also in station agent the film of some renown and Dudley do right so we will with Brandon Frazier young Snidley was his role in that 1999 film used to call me and my buddies we talked about

Brandon Frazier a lot and we would always say that Brandon Frazier was Hollywood's third choice always for leading men if you can't get this guy and he If you can't get that guy, you get Brandon Frazier. That checks up. So we're going to talk to Jeremy Bergman right now. Yeah, Jeremy, you know we were talking about your IMDB reel.

How you doing, buddy? What's up, guys? First time, long time. I appreciate you running down my previous accolades. Any Brandon Fraser stories? I do have a blown-up picture of him in my bedroom. It is about 24 by 36. Still?

Yep. So concerning. All right. Maybe we'll circle back to your. your Hollywood roots. But let's start with Burgo was sent by David Ely and the NFL news team downstairs to Dallas to cover the draft. And I guess the question that I have to start for, to start us here, Burgo was what was

the vibe in Dallas? Because Philly was on fire Chicago two years ago, rave reviews. Did Dallas have that same type of energy that feel that people would have a buzz about? I would say no, and the real reason is because in Chicago and Philadelphia, the draft was held outside right in the middle of the city, pretty much, Grant Park, and then the Ben Franklin Library or Museum or whatever. This time, it's held at the stadium in Arlington, so for the members of the media, you have to go there every day, it's a 30-minute Uber drive, and so the vibe is fun around the tailgate, but actually in the city, you couldn't tell that there was a draft happening. happening at all. Yeah, I always wonder, like, the residents of Arlington, how annoyed they get when they're just called, like, a totally different city, Dallas, like throughout the entire. They're like, wait a second, aren't we people, don't we count for something? We're not Dallas. Any beat on that, Bergman. There was also Irving, if you remember the old Dallas stating. Irving was getting popped with that Dallas heat, too. Your thoughts on that, Jeremy? I did not talk to any of the residents of Irving or the Arlington to see how they felt about the. swipe that Dallas has taken at them. Bergman, I know early in your run there in Dallas that I texted you, along with, you know,

sometime producer of this show, Erica Tamposi, who is, by all accounts, running wild in Dallas, judging by her tweets. She's basically a debutante. Yeah, it's not clear to me what either of you are doing in terms of actual work, but have you been able at night to get out and around Dallas, either with or without Erica, what is the vibe of the night life? I know that your shifts don't begin until very late. in the day so you can sleep in. How have you been attacking the scene? Well, I don't want to

disappoint you. You saw on the group message when you introduced us to each other. She said that she had plans when I asked, oh, do you want to get dinner? So we didn't get to go out that night. She was out with Emma and the important people, like Colleen and whatnot. And then we did share an Uber to the stadium the other day, but I have not seen her. She's been doing stuff with Shaq. The nightlife in Dallas, us has been quiet tonight is the night i think we're all going to go out because there's nothing going on tomorrow nice steak dinner a couple of uptown bars and we'll see what's happened what about burgo as i cycle through your i mdb uh you starred in a project called raising raising wayland

working with the great incomparable doris roberts who passed away last year doris roberts of everybody loves raymond fame r i p yeah uh your thoughts on working with doris roberts all all those years ago. She was a little bit of a, you know, a drama queen. Really? Yeah. Bud's and burner. Give us the blow torch.

Even an old age, I mean, you know, we shot this movie in New Zealand, you know, and so the three stars were Thomas Gibson, Poppy Montgomery, and Doris Roberts. They were all pretty much owned, like, the studio system by CBS. And so for this TV movie, they just sent them all to the other side of the earth. And I don't think that Doris Roberts was down with it. Oh, fascinating. Normally people kind of soften their... Yeah, normally they soften their criticism after someone passes away.

Not Bergman. Bergman still got those sharp elbows. Treating Doris Roberts like Hunter S. Thompson did Nixon. Bergo, you are like me from the New York, New Jersey area and a big Jets fan. What is the vibe? A lot of jet fans there? What was the Sam Darnold vibe around Dallas, Irving, Arlington? Arlington, Irving, Fort Worth, everywhere.

There was a sizable jet contingent here in the stands and also in that fan section in the middle. They were very excited, obviously. I mean, nobody expected Darnold even the night before to drop to three. And so, you know, I was a little nervous after he got drafted because when you put on the jet hat, you immediately think, oh, this is going to go terribly wrong, something's a miss here. He's not excited.

You know, maybe he doesn't want to be there, but then the introductory press conference yesterday, you know, he's just, he's playing a cool like Eli, and I'm getting the sense from my friends, my family, my grandma texting me, she says, let's just hope now that Sam doesn't suck. That's pretty much it. I think we're very happy with the person.

It's just how is he going to play on the field? So I was sure we feel, you know, you feel like you've got somebody for like the next 15 years. It does. That's a great feeling. And we'll talk about that when you get back here. Besides the Cowboys fans, of course, what fan base was most represented?

I would say the Raiders and the Niners and the Rams, I think those are all within driving distance for the most part, and they're usually the loudest. The Bill's Mafia in the lower right, Colleen Wolfe was having a great time with the Bill's Mafia, and same with the Eagles fans, because they were taunting all the Cowboys fans about the Super Bowl win. But for the most part, it was pretty evenly spread out. I saw, I'm not sure if you check my Twitter feed, there's a picture of a young gentleman wearing a Tom Savage Houston, Texas jersey. Yeah, I saw that. He's real. So, Tom Savage, is real. He lives.

Very good. Did any player interactions stand out? Because you've been there all week and you talked to the players leading up to the draft. You were there for some of the press conferences after they were drafted. Any standout performances or takeaways from those guys? Well, I appreciated that I got to talk to all the quarterbacks on the day before. They all seemed to be in a pretty good mood. They all acted like they were friends.

Mayfield wasn't there, obviously. But the person, I guess, who stood out the most positively was Roquan Smith. I think the Bears are getting a really professional, you know, life-loving guy in Roquan Smith. I did also get to talk to Darius Geis the day before, and I had to bring up to him the report from Tom Pellasero about him being considered, you know, over-emotional or, you know, hard to deal with. and he basically said, you know, this is all put out by media reports. I don't know who's putting this out. Somebody wants me to drop to them. And he said, I'm not going to change who I am.

This is who I am. And I think we saw the result of that when he fell to 50-something to the Redskins. So it was interesting to watch that in real time and having an opportunity to talk to him beforehand. Bergman, that's very professionally said. A quick two-partner, I know that you were huddled throughout the weekend with Mike Mayock. Do you feel after spending an inordinate amount of time with him, if you were to see him two months from now on the street,

A, would he remember your name? Second question, is this as a second career for you as a journalist, a decisive win over NFL media's Nick Shook for you to be sent while Nick is left back in L.A., basically staring at a computer screen? Yeah, all your muscles want to help you now. I'm going to take your second question first there. It is a decisive victory, although Nick got to hang with you guys at the combine, so I kind of missed out there.

So it was kind of like a one-for-one deal. Okay. You know, they're a trade. Diplomatic. Diplomatic. Mayok, I've spent a combined actually five minutes with him at the end of both rounds. He did not want to be with me either time, and I had to paraphrase much of what he

told me because he was in a rush. I have one question. He will not remember me. He's a straight shooter, this Jeremy Bergman. I like him. I have one question before we leave here. the draft cognoscenti who are there are they more a guest at the Patriots hit and miss in this draft or at Greg's performance and go get my lunch that's fair question the draft cognizanti meaning

Mayok and Jeremiah just like everybody there who's important have they been talking about Greg's performance um I haven't heard I don't mean to you know insult Greg this way I haven't heard your name yeah that's good they don't think about me at all um all right burgo you you came in here and uh you said it all and um yes kicking and screaming is available on uh streaming formats uh where you can see jeremy bergman starring as hunter uh and we worked with a great kate walsh your memories of duval yeah but kate walsh your memories of working with kate um All right, Robert Duvall, Bobby Duvall. Robert Duvall actually had a temper tantrum on the set, kicking and screaming.

Called his agent. Yeah, called his agent. He said it was a Mickey Mouse movie. That's amazing. Duval was kicking and screaming on the set of kicking and screaming? It was very meta. Called it a Mickey Mouse movie. What did you think it was?

What about Ditka? He was in that, too. Ditka was in it. He gave me mess about the jet. when I told him that I was a supporter of the Jets. Well, did you say anything about the 1998 draft? That was before Sunday NFL Countdown fame. So I like to consider myself the launching pad for Gittga's on-camera career.

By the way, Bergman is seven-year run on Law and Order Special Victims Unit? That is incorrect. That is seven years between two appearances. Completely unrelated. Completely unrelated. I feel like at some point, if you were ever an act, on any level, whether it's high school theater, you actually make it to Hollywood,

you find success the way Jeremy did, you will do at least a two-episode arc and long-in-off. It's requisite. All right. Jeremy, good job. Get home safely and go Jets. JETS. All right, there he goes, and that's it. That's it for the draft, the second draft,

the second final draft edition of the Around the NFL podcast. And with it, Mark, the end. end of the season. Hardly. Hardly. Like, they're all piling into minicamp like four days from now. You're heading, you're heading to Mexico, little piggy's in the sand,

a white, creamy drink in your hand. No. And a cherry dropped right in it, and here you are, flying high. The Sessler family, I don't know if I'm breaking news here to you, Dan, is a paycheck-to-paycheck operation.

There will be no Mexican vacations or really anywhere else. But you are known to get a, way solo that was that is a true narrative some years ago it is it is a fade every year ago last year any hitchhikers in your immediate future no i mean i don't have a car right now so i told you paycheck to paycheck i will be hitchhiker i will be hitchhiking so no sessler solo joints as of now none a pair of stations it's good i i will help pay for it if you go to mexico now we're now you're beginning to put something together i was trying to think what the name of the beverages. I was calling it a frosty, creamy white

beverage. Like a white Russian? Unrewarded. It is a Pinacolada. Yeah, peanut. Thank you. All right. We will be back on Monday. No rest for the we're. We got three shows coming up next week. So make sure you tune in for that. Until then, this is Dan Hansa signing off for a quiet storm. The Mailman, the old boss and Lindsay Fulton behind the glass. Until Monday. Hey, everybody. And I'm Bucky on move to six, we take you inside the game

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