NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL GM Rankings + Draft Questions with Eric Edholm

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus and Gregg Rosenthal react to the latest news from around the league, starting with the latest on the potential sale of the Washington Commanders (4:44). The Jets and Packers are still negotiating the trade for Aaron Rodgers (13:51), and Devin White has requested a trade (18:26). Then, NFL.com's lead draft writer Eric Edholm joins the show to discuss the prospects that keep him up at night (20:40). After that, we get to Gregg's latest GM rankings (42:58). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. It's your team more than any other. From the Chris Wesleying podcast studio, it's Around the NFL. Dan Hans is here. I got Ah Hero. Back from the islands. In the middle of the Pacific.

Greg Rosenthal Welcome back How was it? How was it? Like our former president, Barack Obama used to say, you know, I'm in Hawaii in my mind still. I'm just going to bring in that totally chill mental vibe to my podcasting and personal relations for the next year.

I like this. I like this Greg. We had people gregging for you while you were gone. Don't worry. Yeah. We had a whole pen of Greglets. holding down the fort i don't think greglitz is really uh captured that's too demeaning for the quality of guests that you guys have the greglets hey just be chill okay remember oh yeah it lasts the 30 seconds

uh let's see what happened while you were gone i feel like you were gone a long time you weren't but it feels that way because you and i had overlapping vacations uh did you know the browns traded for dishean Watson. I do know that. I hope it works out well for them. I think it'll have a really fun year. Do you know we went to London a couple times? Oh, your wife moved out. That has been my fear. You know, I wake up in a cold sweat. I would not be a Hawaii in my mind if that happened. Yeah. Very blessed. What a family. What a ride. Life has been for Greg Rosenthal. Mark Sessler not with us today he'll be back next week and today's show good one good one um it's time to get back into some draft talk uh so we have one of the very best on the subject eric ed home he works

for us he's also our lead draft writer did you know that our lead draft analyst i didn't know that was his title i was reading eric at home back when he was at pf weekly like in the mid aught so he's been in the game a minute he was at yahoo for a while and yeah now he's with us i you know i like that title because if eric and you know that's something that was either negotiated or at some point it was worked out he asked for it we'll ask him about it that means daniel jeremiah is not the lead draft writer so just think about that which is nice so right away bonus points for ed holm in a big spot it's a good move by him because he's a writer right um he's now going to be a podcaster those are two mediums jeremiah hasn't tried out hasn't touched it's

2023 you got to do more you would think uh jeremiah someone that is respected in the industry he would touch those um areas but totally you know just virgin IP just writing and podcasting he's he's uh he's all just about television that's dinosaur thinking old hollywood jeremiah watch out for those cord Cutters. Look out. All right. Also, you have Greg, a piece coming out. Any minute.

Any minute. Probably maybe by the time this podcast is up, ranking the general managers. I always enjoy this exercise. In fact, I remember having, I was disappointment that you kind of push this one through legislation and we didn't get to actually really talk about it last year. I was like, no, this is a good piece. Speaking of IP, I like this, ranking the GMs. was either at some point it was either last year of the year before you got on me for not mentioning

and that's why i had mentioned it multiple times to you even before i went on vacation this thing is dropping when i get back we're going to hit that as well uh but first let's start by doing just a little bit of news ladies and gentlemen it's NFL networks Greg Rosenfall Stupid, but fun. This is the quietest time of the league year, accepting, of course, like post-draft before training camps. Well, except, yeah, except post-mini camps, I would say. Like mid-June through mid-July.

It's a little, yeah, I mean, I, yeah, besides that, like, it's a little under the radar because you think, oh, the draft is coming up. But, yeah, it's been, it was quiet last week. It's been very quiet this week. but there was one big bit of news that just broke as we were about to record. This was reported by our guy, Rapship. Our guy, Ian Rappaport, that Josh Harris's group, Josh Harris, who I believe owns the Sixers in the NBA.

He's a co-owner of the Philadelphia 76ers. A group led by Josh Harris, and that includes billionaire Mitchell Rails and former NBA star in legend Magic Johnson are nearing a deal to buy the Washington commanders from Daniel Snyder for just under $6 billion, Gregi. Nothing is final according to Ian or has been sent to the league. The bid still needs to be submitted and approved and approved. But this is another major step and maybe

finally the end of an era in Washington. Amazing news for Commandos fans. I mean, amazing. A lot of commanders in Washington, D.C. in the Pentagon. Commandos somehow feels pejorative. So we'll give them the commanders' respect now that they're changing ownership. And for Ian, who does work for the league as well as us, to be able to report. This tells me that, yes, nothing is final, but they would not be reporting this.

And there's other reporting out there that it's essentially an agreement and principle unless it was on like the six-inch line. There's been reporting that Jeff Bezos was not. not really in the mix and that this bid was the best one. And I don't know if our producer, Gravedigger, Dave Digger. Picked that drop to start the show

because of a long-held opinion and thing I've said on this show. Did you, Justin? That was more about the GM rankings where I thought listeners, like everyone's going to be like, why is my GM ranked too low? I already forgot about what the drop was.

Yeah, I would have been surprised and repress. I didn't know. impressed. I didn't set that up well. The drop was that that we hate your team more than all the other teams. And here and there, over the 10 years of this show, I have often said every fan base thinks I hate their team more than the rest. And only one of them is right. It's Washington's fans. It's because of their old owner. It's been a disaster. Like no one has treated

of an NFL franchise with more mistakes. I mean, more, just lack of care for the fans and the players and the coaches, frankly, over the last 20 years plus than Dan Snyder. And so it's a great day. And listen, Washington football fans, they know this better than anyone. But look at the last 20 years under Snyder in the previous 20 years where they were a fixture. They were a beast in the NFC East. They won multiple Super Bowl titles. It was, you know, one of the more exciting, really like.

kind of franchises because of the fan base, which is to the credit of the fans in Washington, I know there have been times where the stadium hasn't been as packed, but who could blame them? I mean, even the facility is not up to par. And you have a situation now where it's going to feel like, as long as everything goes to plan here, if this report turns into a reality,

like a total rebirth for the organization and the fans and an excitement level that they haven't had it in a long time. I'm thinking about the New York Mets in baseball that they went from an ownership that was really underwater and had gotten absolutely buried by the Bernie Madoff scandal and we're not spending money. They sell to a billionaire who immediately, who is the billionaire? Does anybody owner of the Mets? Cohen. Cohen. Pumps in tons of money and resources into the organization, revitalizes things.

Now, football's not quite that easy. You can't just spend in the same way. No, that's what Dan Snyder tried to do. He just was terrible at it for many years. But just the idea of getting new ownership. And as long as there's people in charge that know what they're doing, there's still things we need to learn, Greg, about the new ownership. You can't just assume new ownership is going to be better,

but it's probably going to be better. I mean, the 76ers, I think, have been a well-run franchise. Magic Johnson, I think has rings in literally every sport other than the NFL. I think he mentioned that. That was the formation. major U.S. sports, so that's a good sign. And Snyder, he tried to spend. That was part of the reason why things didn't work.

I mean, Albert Hainsworth, Dion Sanders, Donovan McNabb, all that. But I think it does show that some of the things we've talked about in terms of workplace culture and harassment over the last number of years, just as a society, like does get people out of the paint eventually. I mean, he was suspended by the NFL for a toxic workplace and sexual harassment. That suspension was kind of vague when it was going to end. Tanya Snyder, his wife was still working as the active owner. But you can draw a pretty clear line between that latest problem for Dan Snyder and him

eventually agreeing to sell the team. Now, it's America where he's not really getting punished. He just sold a thing for an NFL team for almost $6 billion. Like nothing goes up in value like NFL teams. It's an incredible, incredible investment. Already the Broncos sale from a year ago looks like a bargain. They were bought for like a billion and a half less. And so it's not like he's getting pushed out the door.

But I think based on everything we know about Snyder, this was the thing he wanted to do most in the world. And he would love to keep owning the team. Oh, there you go. completely embarrassing how everything this isn't going to end with yeah daniel snider being destitute but it is a billionaire boys club and there's probably you could argue in america there's no better toy to have for a billionaire and a way to flex your success and if you if you love sports or even just love you know finding success in very public venues in society

owning a sports team like so that he loses that and and jerry richards of the carolina The Panthers also had a scandal that involved inappropriate conduct that led swiftly to him losing the Panthers. So, yeah, maybe you are seeing progress in a way that 20 years ago would not have happened. In fact, I'm almost certain of it 20 years ago. These things wouldn't have led to where they're leading now. Bought the team for $750 million, by the way. So that's a good, it's a good ROI. I don't know if you're into the whole return on something.

And think about it, this group, if it goes through and they get $6 billion, it's like, oh, my God, they paid $6 billion. When they sell in 20 years, it's going to be like $37 billion. You want inflation, bro, and value. No, no one was. Bear hug. No, you mean, you're absolutely right. No one, no one was more like anti-media and was worse handling the media and also was very vindictive against like his former coaches. and stuff like that. We don't need to go through all that stuff.

But what I mean to say and also had enemies in terms of politicians in Washington, the reason I bring all this up is I think that can all get better like immediately. I don't know what it's going to mean for Ron Rivera. I think he'll have this year to kind of prove himself to the new ownership group. But in terms of their stadium deal, which has been an issue in part, I think, because the politicians around Washington didn't want to do Dan Snyder any favors and just been in grid lock. Now maybe that can be opened up too

and these new owners can get a nice new stadium. How about that we shall say? Congrats. If you have a Commanders fan in your life, do you have any? Do I have it? No. Okay. I've got a couple and they're huge football fans

and they've never seen a fan base loved their team so much and yet hate their team because of the owner so much and just been waiting for this day. They never gave up loyalty of, like, wanting to love the team. They've just been waiting for this day. And so I know at least my two friends that are both commander's friends, like, this is

like Christmas. This is the best thing that's happened to them as sports fans for two decades. So I am happy for them. Yes. There is, now I'm thinking about it in the early days of NFL media, we had a, I wish Mark was here for this, but we had a colleague named Jason Feller, who sadly is no longer with us. And he was a diehard. Washington fan and there was a bar down the street from our old office called Joxers Daily

in Culver City that was a crazy Washington sports bar and they they would have sirens going off in there when there would be touchdown this is like 12 years ago now and just the place packed with burgundy and gold it's a good fan base that deserves better and hopefully they'll get it in other news speaking of fan bases that deserve better the jets are still trying to get Aaron Rogers on their team. It's an ongoing process. It's, I wouldn't say, as a Jets fan, I'm nervous about it. But at the same time, like, the longer this goes on, the more it's just like, all right, come on.

What's up? Is there an issue? I don't think so. I mean, Joe Douglas was at some fan event or something last week, and he publicly saying, oh, yeah, he's going to be on the team, Aaron Rogers. Then you see a report from Yahoo Sports NFL. a guy Charles Robinson who was on the Wild and Taush

podcast. I hope I got that right. Tosh, Taush. Well, that's Mark Tausher. And Jason Wilde, I believe. Not Wild? I always thought it was Wilde. Double miss. Can you get on that one, Grave Digger? I'll look into it. Another long time, you know,

a long time beat guy. He was in some ways, the original McAfee because he had Aaron Rogers doing a weekly spot on his radio show for years in Green Bay. So either Wild and Taosch or Wilde and Tauscher. We'll be, I think. ESPN Radio.

Shared some insight into the trade talks on that program. He reported that the Packers asking price for Rogers is a second round pick in 2023. Jets have two of those. And a straight first round pick in 2024. Green Bay wants a first round pick next year. No questions asked. Now, I have a, and there's a little follow up to this.

involving Jets ownership, which always makes me a little bit nervous. But didn't Mark Murphy come out and say to the media a couple weeks ago at the owners' meetings that they're not looking for a first-round pick necessarily? That's what he said. Doesn't that clash with this report? Well, I think the word necessarily and then maybe the difference between a 2024 first-round pick, maybe it's a conditional.

It sounds like there's going to be conditions on themselves. sending a pick back if Rogers retires after a year. But it does clash a little bit. I'm trying to find where the gray area would be. Yeah. And then you have the, because I want Joe Douglas, the GM of the Jets, and we'll get into him a little bit later on the show, to be the guy driving the boat.

But you always wonder, where's Woody Johnson, the Jets owner? And also Robinson said that the parties had the parameters of a deal in place initially. But after Rogers said I'm 90, I was 90% retired thing on the McAvey show, Woody Johnson, here's, I'm just, this is a quote from a Yahoo write-up of the interview, got scared to spend high draft capital on him. That would explain why the Packers don't want to take less. Okay. So I don't know if that's true. But if it's true, that gives a little insight into this. And yes, that would, that would inject a little bit of nerves to me as a Jets fan that,

Woody is the one holding this up over football matters, which I think he needs to be deferring to his general manager. Well, it's also fascinating to me that the McAfee appearance would have had a material difference on the negotiations. It doesn't surprise you. It doesn't surprise me knowing the parties involved. Well, I mean, it makes sense, too. When you hear that, I agree.

You need to have some conditions for if he's going to retire soon or maybe that would make you think a little differently than when you just sat down and faced. to face with them. No one's worried about this. It totally makes sense to me that the deal would happen during the draft because that's when you get your absolute last case brass tax offers and it'll probably be day two of the draft.

You'll have to even wait, I think, Dan, through day one because that's when the picks for this year's draft where the Packers would actually have to take it. You have to wait until Friday and it's fine. It's fine. I actually appreciate the lack of news that's been on this story. I think everyone's being adults here. It's like, this is just how it goes. Every, you know, we cover the NFL every day, so things pop up, but it's fine.

It'll happen. I was proud of the media cycle when one of the boomer and Carton, I think it is. No, Carton is now on a different show. Evan Roberts on WFAN floated something about the Niners, like getting in on Aaron Rogers. And everybody's like, no, go away. That's not an actual story. and at this point it's not let's see if they can iron things out

finally in the news real quick here Devin White linebacker of the Bucks he has been on an all pro team second team he's been a pro bowler and now he wants out of Tampa Bay per Jeremy Fowler of ESPN he's frustrated with extension talk

so Gregi the Bucks who some people thought we're going to go in full tear down mode after Tom Brady walked away a lot of their veteran corps is coming back White was supposed to be among that group. This doesn't mean he's actually leaving, but he's expressing displeasure with the contract process.

He's, quote, fed up, according to ESPN's Jenna Lane. I am too. Grave-digger. They're not going to do anything by all accounts, that they have no interest in trading them. They have them under contract this year on a fifth-year option for $11.7 million, which is pretty good for an off-ball linebacker.

He's a very difficult guy to evaluate. He was the same guy that Todd. Bob Bowles was kind of bearing publicly during last year for freelancing a little bit. He's had the all-pro teams, but if you trust the PFF grading is a very boom or bust player who gives up a lot of big plays, makes a lot of big plays. That's strong. But if they don't want to trade them, they're not going to trade them, and I don't think they're going to trade him.

Yes, he grades out poorly on PFF despite the accolades. Have we got, do we have any on the ESPN program? We're looking into it. I'll get back to you. Yes. It's not as easy as I. I mean, I feel reasonably confident. This is a man, Jason Wildy, who I used to read quite a bit when I was doing those brick-by-brick posts on Roto World.

We have confirmation. It is Will-Dy. And I believe I've been on the program, like way back in the day. Way back in the day. Well, you should definitely know that, Greg. It was like 15 years. This is different shows. I just blanked that.

Greg was just name-checking like 17 people. and I just glazed over for a bit there. You know them. That's great. That's what I know I'm back. Will the get banned to glaze over? And town out. All right.

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Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. Our guest joining us now. And we establish us at the top of the show, the lead NFL draft writer for NFL media and its properties. He is Eric Edholm. Gentlemen, what's going on?

you, Eric. I'm doing well. Yeah. I mean, usually at this, this point of the draft season, I'm pulling out my hair and losing sleep and all that. I've, I've, I've been more dialed in this year, more, more ready for the draft season, I guess, or the draft to come up than I can remember in recent years. Why is that? Why is that? I don't know. Is it this class? There's something about this class that makes you feel more at peace. Is it the lead draft analyst title that you somehow? It's the title. I let's just get it out there. there it really is i before they put lead in there i was just feeling a little off what about i don't know what about jeremiah because you know i call him the wholesome assassin because he presents

himself as this good guy uh but i wouldn't be surprised if there's a text in your phone or an email a little bit like a back off type vibe from jeremiah i'm i have i have some threatening text that i'm just storing just in case i need to use is collateral for anything but i have a my own i grew up in boston you know i got a little salt in my veins so well i want to start here eric as we get in and look ahead the draft is two weeks from tonight actually and uh and i'm curious what is the piece of we'll start kind of like in a broad sense what is what is the piece of draft board conventional wisdom that's kind of been driving you nuts during this process this year i think it's good question i think it's probably more apropos this year

because we have a running back who, you know, regardless of position, if you just ask people who their, their favorite talents are overall, you know, Bejan Robinson deserves to be, I think, pretty high on that list, but the whole question over where running back should and shall never be drafted and all that stuff. And maybe it's an overreaction to a guy like Sequin Barclay going second and still being a good player and most of us recognizing that, okay, second's pretty rich for that position.

but there's a there's a there's a happy medium I think where players of that ilk can also be respected in and of themselves and deserve to go high in drafts or not you know high like top five but I think bypassing him just because he plays a certain position is a little bit short-sighted so I don't know that that debate I don't know where you guys fall exactly on that spectrum but good players tend to help football teams out that's just my bottom line I hate to give am I a pop, but I do agree with his theory that especially if you're a team that feels like you're a piece away. You don't take a running back high if you're a rebuilding team, but if you're a team that wants that final piece. I mean, is Robinson, is he like that dude? Is he at at Barclay's level coming out? Or I remember when Adrian Peterson came out years ago, it was like this guy. Is this like one of those special type talents? I think so. I mean, I think somebody's got to get him in the first then. I know. I, I'm all four. it. I mean, he's in my top five, again, regardless of position, but I recognize he's not going

in the top five. I don't think, right? It would be a shock. Chris Ballard already has a running back. No, I'm kidding. But yeah, I mean, it just, right, I think you're right. I think if you are that team that feel like, and, and yet out of one corner of my mouth, I'll also argue, I don't think the Eagles should draft him unless it's, you know, lower than the 10th pick or something like that because I think they can they can still do better with that pick in certain ways as far as the immediate need. But because they have such a good, in my opinion, running a run blocking group. You can put a Boston Scott in there. You can put a Kenneth Gainwell in there and do pretty well for yourself. You know, Miles Sanders is a good player, but he's not, I don't think he's a true

difference maker or anything like that. So they, they let him go. And you can find another guy of similar quality, in my opinion. So maybe for a team that doesn't quite have the, the stout offensive line up front, but is in that situation. I know that limits our list a little, but maybe that's the team you start Peggin Robinson. I don't think tennis too early. I mean, if he's a Hall of Fame type of player, and to me, just watching him,

my very amateur eyes feel like he's an even better prospect than Saquan coming out. Like in terms of his natural movement skills, I think he's just like a little bit smoother that he could be up there with the greats. And then what are we talking about here? Of course, that's worth drafting anywhere in the top 10. And I'm not saying that you would want to take them to overall,

but if you felt like confident and you just didn't like the people around you, just for sake of argument. Here's some number two overall picks in the last decade alone. Not like I think John Robinson should go two, but you have two, so that's just the number I was thinking of. Zach Wilson, Sequin, that's why it's on my mind, Mitchell Tribeschi, Marcus Mariotta, Greg Robinson, Luke Jokel.

I mean, it's like, what are we talking about here? This whole, like, the process has to be a certain way because certain positions have to be taken first. The whole reason why running backs stop getting taken first other than the fact that it was like Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams and who else was in that draft in the top five of that draft, where it just got a little out of control

is that positional value, you know, matters. But it doesn't, like, you have to have exceptions for every rule, and you can't be that hard. and fast. If he's a great player, he deserves to go in the top 15. And I think he will. I think he'll, I think you might go as high as 10 to the Eagles. If he's Sladani and Tomlinson, right? Right. What are we talking about? Why are we passing on him? Right? Just because he's a running back. I mean, it's tricky with tight ends too. But yeah, I think running back has gotten got way more attention because of this, this debate. So I, I was thinking like what players

make Eric Ed Holmes stay up at night? You know, like you're, you're worried about the evaluation. You're worried about where he's going to go. You're worried if you're right or wrong about this player, even despite all the work that you've put in, like, which player, what are some players or give me one to start that keeps you up at night? Two. And this is, I'm, I'm expecting a lot of hate mail from, uh, from Tennessee folks, but I have my reservations with Jalen Hyatt and to a lesser degree, Henan Hooker because of the offense in which they are used, right? I mean, Josh Hepple, I'm not anti-Josh Hepple, not anti-Va-Vals, been to a game there. It's a great place, you know, I love Rocky Top, right?

But I think there's reasonable suspicion about that kind of offense and what those players are when they come into the league as far as their mental preparedness and things like that, how it translate and everything else, you know, I mean, like, I guess he gets credit for Sam Bradford at Oklahoma, Andrew Jones. I mean, other than that, Drew Locke is the other. top quarterback that he's developed. So, you know, you can see it's a little bit of a pattern there and the same thing with the receivers as well. I mean, I think Gabe Davis would probably be, you know, he had a couple years with him at UCF, but Jamon Moore, you know,

Trey Nixon, Vilas Jones last year. I mean, you know, it's not the most illustrious group of all time in terms of, you know, early to mid-round picks translating to the NFL. Plus, with Hooker, you've got the injury and the age. I mean, he's got an ACL. He's 25 years. old. So as much as I like him when I watch him, I think to myself, he's got a few strikes against them. And Hyatt kind of a one-trick pony. So he's a speed guy who reminds me way too much of Will Fuller to be comfortable with. So with both guys, I had to kind of water it down a little bit to where I'll take the scrutiny for having them lower than where they're probably going to be drafted because I just, I think there are enough pitfalls with each of them. And you know,

and Jalen Carter's a big one. Quentin Johnston from TCU, I get a little nervous about because of the drops and you know he could be mike williams or he could be kevin white you know i mean that's that's kind of where i fall on some of these guys man will fuller i forgot about will fuller it's he's easy to forget yeah he just dropped out the radar um yeah on the subject of the wide receivers because another bit of conventional wisdom is like this is not the year to find a superstar wide receiver right and yet like nothing's money in the bank when it comes to drafting but in the NFL in recent years it feels like these wide receivers it's becoming safer and safer bets.

Is there somebody that could actually be a superstar? And again, Buck conventional wisdom and be that dude. I know you have JSN from Ohio State there in your top 10. So I guess he would be sensible. Do you think he could be a guy that's like a Pro Bowl year one talent? Year one, I don't know. But then again, I mean, I think I when I saw him peak performance prior to last season when he only, you know, play like three games or whatever, you know, I would have said he's a

better player than Garrett Wilson. I mean, I would have just said if you, if I have to choose between the two of them and I only get one, I think I'm taking Jackson Smith and Chigba a little bit longer, maybe not quite as fast, but he's got elite short area quickness, even compared to a guy like Garrett Wilson who's, you know, thrives in that area as well. So, you know, I've heard the slot only argument. I mean, I don't, I don't see it just because he, you know, isn't a blazer. I think he can win on the outside. I mean, he could be, you know, a beautiful Cooper Cup sort of guy, you know, that type of performer. Are we complaining about cup speed? No, we're saying he's an elite route runner with great change of direction skills, outstanding hands. I think that's what

he is. If there's a guy that I like, you know, not quite as much because of the size concerns, but I'm a bigger Zay Flowers fan than other people might be. I mean, you know, at 5-9-182 with short arms. I get the concerns, right? But it's a big name. I'm ready to, I'm not scared. I see some Antonio Brown in his game. I really, really think he has some of that in him. And as you guys know, Brown didn't test grade. He didn't produce at an elite level in college. He just had this skill set that wasn't fully, you know, developed and put it all together in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I think the receiver thing strange in this draft that there's this idea, well, if you're looking for the top type but guys, this is not the draft for you.

And yet I'm with you. To me, Smith and Jigba has incredible upside and ceiling. Cooper Cup is the name that he reminds you of. And I look at Addison and I don't see why he's in such a different tier of prospect than Olavi and Garrett Wilson going out. You have him a little lower. You have him down at 28. But just in terms of everything but his size, and yes, he's like a hundred, he's a slight guy.

But his movement, and you can just see those. working at the pro level. And then Quentin Johnson, who I have less of a feel on, but he's a huge gut in his ceiling at least as high. And I like Cedric Tillman from Tennessee too. So receivers have come into the league so good lately. I don't see the top of this class as like miles different from a year ago. But that's why I don't get paid to be the draft analyst,

like big lead draft analyst, Eric Ed Holm. Yeah. I mean, the lead part kind of separates us a little bit, I guess. What do you think of Schrager? Do you respect Schrager in his draft? Right, because he does other stuff throughout the year, but then he swoops in and he's a draft guy. You have respect for those guys.

I've only been here a little while, guys. I don't want to start trashing everybody in the company. Just Jeremiah is safe. Have me on next week and, you know, Stregor, you know, on Good Morning Football, of course. The peacemaker swoops in. He put out his, if you know, you know, list. Okay.

You know, how about that? and you know take that as you as you will but his his five if you know you know list Nolan Smith edge Georgia pit tackle Kalea Kansi Tyreek Stevenson corner Miami that's my guy Christian Gonzalez corner Oregon and Emmanuel Forbes corner Mississippi State Stevenson is the guy of that list that really jumps out to you well I have him I don't know I like him a lot and I think he's being kind of undersold a little bit you know he's he plays he's zone off man press man i mean you know he's not perfect uh but i think athletically and and just mental toughness wise he's gonna gonna fit in really well i just just a little surprise

it's a deep corner class i mean there's some good names you mentioned gonzalez on on peter's list there he's going to go high devon witherspoon ran well the other day he's going to go high joey porter junior we have the name value and the athlete so it's a loaded position in fact manual forbs also on that list too a fascinating debate because he's a one 166 pound, you know, over six foot, too. This is not just like a slot corner. I mean, this is a guy who lined up outside. Six pick six is in his career, fearless out there.

I think if you like Sauce Gardner's tape, you're going to like his tape too. You know, there's a little freelancing, but boy, he does the job for me. The question is, if you have toothpick ankles and that small a frame, are you going to survive in the NFL? He's unprecedented. He's on my, I tried to guess who would be on your make at home stay up a night or maybe who would make me stay up at night list. And Forbes was at the top, 166 pounds as like a cornerback. If you look at, you know how they have the, you know, percentage in terms of other prospects

and they show the three cone, it's in the 87th percentile. And, you know, arm length, he's in the 50th percentile and this and that. For weight, he's in the one percentile. And that's only because they can't put zero mathematically. There's literally never been a cornerback that tall and that light. And yet when you watch them, if you ignored that, and you shouldn't, because he probably will get overpowered in certain matchups. But you're going to have to have some guys to cover these other lightweight wide receivers.

So it kind of makes sense to me that the whole game is getting lighter. And he would keep me up at night, but he seems like he's like an incredibly high ceiling guy. It's just everyone's going to be afraid that he's 166 pounds. You boiled it down perfectly there. I mean, that's exactly kind of how the production is. is off the charts good. It really is that, that exciting. You know, he's a little on the older side. He'll be 23. I want to say by the end of the season. So, you know, there's a little bit of, you know, limitation as far as how much more, you know, upside and growth and development he has.

But still, I mean, I see a guy who's got rare instincts. I think he's a first round pick now. I think, you know, I was sort of putting him in that early second round range, but I think he's going to go in the first. I think Tyreek Stevenson should be a second round pick, but we'll see. I don't know exactly where he's going to go. But Forbes is the one who I think is causing people to kind of have some serious debates. We had Cordell Flott last year ago in the third round. He's abused like 6 foot 175. So statistically, I want to say height and weight wise, that's the closest comp we've had in recent years.

Otherwise, you've got to go back a long ways to find somebody with, you know, these spinly dimensions like he has. All right. Last thing I have for you, Eric, Connor Orr was on our program earlier this week and he had done some digging. Now, it's an exclusive that is dropping on SI.com later this week. It's up. It's there. Oh, it's up, okay.

Go check it out, everyone. All right, I'm going to ask, mate. We're just going to say, as the lead writer, if he knows, like he, Connor using Ancestry.com had identified a draft prospect that actually had Norse God blood, which feels like a nice attribute that you would put in as a bullet in the draft profile.

Do you know who that might be? Trying to think, are there any like Scandinavians? Is it Cody Mock? No, I mean, that's too on the nose, I think. Yeah, that would be like the obvious answer. That makes it. Ah, geez, Tyler Van Ness.

He has got that kind of square jaw and like the, you know, the ice man from top gun. Herica. All right. Tyler Ness, final answer? All right. That's all I got. All right.

What do you got, Justin? Should I spoil it? I feel like our listeners should do Connor a favoring. They're going to go read it. They will. Trust me. I said Tyler Van Ness. Lucas Van Ness.

Sorry. Lucas Van Ness. Yeah, yeah. It's all I got. It is Holton Allers. Oh. A literal descendant of Viking legend Ragnar Lothbrock. And that's not Minnesota Vikings legend,

Ragnar. That's real Vikings. That's the, It's the Ragnar. It's the Vikings that have titles. It's the original Ragnar. I mean, those. Those Vikings had rings.

This is, this is exciting. You know, those weren't, there's a tough world back then, you know, you don't want to judge by today's standards, but, you know, not someone you want to bring home to your, to your. I just keep them away from the, yeah, the women and children in general. Anyway, we talk about NFL bloodlines. I mean, I'd rather have the, you know, the Norse God bloodlines myself. I don't know. I'd rather have Joey Porter. Probably true, yes.

Anything else? I'm going to give you just a very quick rapid fire. Give me like a couple on the other players that I think would that would keep me up at night. Okay. Rapid fire here. Brian Branch. Is he closer to Derwin James or is he closer to like the do-it-all thing that NFL teams fall in love with and then doesn't work out when you draft him really high?

Closer to the ladder. The athletic testing, you know, put a limit on his appeal. But he's so smart. So I think it's more of the latter, the do-it-all guy who's, you know, Jack of all trades and you're glad you have him, but he's not, I don't think he's special athletically. Will, where are you on the Will Levis discourse? I feel like now he's been pushed down so far and, you know, credible body by the media that now it's actually the backlash of the backlash is here. And everyone's now like actually Will Levis. Settling at home. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm on the, I'm pro Levis to a degree, right? He's got his warts. And last year didn't do many favors in a lot of ways. But man, you look what he did with Liam Cohen in 2021, who they brought back as O.C. I mean, that's a, that's a strange, but, but I think good move for Kentucky.

They just didn't have any talent last year. He had two injuries he played through. You watch the 2021 tape. There's a lot of appealing stuff. I also hear from a lot of Penn State fans who were like, no way that dude should be in the draft, you know, or in the, in the first 150 picks. I think there's a too much of that bias going on out there, too. But I like the guy to a degree for sure.

Okay. I do have one more to the Panthers regret it forever if they pass on C.J. Stroud. Regret it forever? No, because Bryce Young could be special. I just, man, he just has so many. The margin for air is small with that arm, that size and everything else. I just feel like he's going to be great. But we play 17 games every year. That's my biggest worry.

We'll get into all these questions. We still got about a week and a half of draft buildup to go. But as we get closer, I can't, I can't quite buy that Jalen Carter, who everyone sort of recognizes the best player in the draft is going to go anywhere, but very close to the top of the draft. We'll see. It might require ownership approval, but I, but I hear you. Don't they all? Don't they all at that point? I guess quarterbacks in like situations like Jalen Carter.

Eric, you've said it all. Thank you very much. Continue to track everything Eric does on NFL.com. And buddy, we enjoyed having you. Thank you. And put Dale Murphy in the hall. Yeah, that's right, baby. How about this, Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy going in the same class,

and you and I go to Cooperstown together? Absolutely. You kidding me? I'm down, man. You let me know. All right, there he is. It's like, sorry, honey, I'm going with Dan Hansis to Cooper's. Who?

Just going with a fellow, like, middle-aged guy on a private trip to upstate New York. Don't worry about it. You paint it like that. I don't know what I'll be able to make it. I'm sorry, man. Damn it. You see, Greg. You ruined everything.

All right, go ahead. Eric, have a good one. See, Eric. take it easy um uh did good stuff like at home i like at home i also two things two takeaways um the texans who we made so much of it and rightfully so winning that stupid game at the end of the season that allowed the bears to take number one pick in some ways like if they are indeed going to take a quarterback which i think they will they're kind of like chill they're like we don't have to freak out about this if they're like caught in between on the quarterback

We'll take the other guy, and it's like no stress on us. Well, we'll never know. We'll never know. We'll never know. I'm just saying that's potentially a possibility. They also might be the opposite of like, we want to trade out or we're not even going to take a quarterback because we like Bryce Young so much more than Stroud. There has been that thought bubbling up, although it's hard to say. It's just other personnel people talking that like the Texans might take someone else number two like Will Anderson or Jalen Carter and then trade back up to take like a. Will Levis or Richardson or something?

Who knows? And my other thought out of that conversation, were you attempting to retroactively cancel Vikings there? Like the old ones? No, I was saying, you know, you can't judge them by today's standards and whatnot. Right. But also, like, you probably, you know, wouldn't want to have cross-pass with Ragnar Lothbrock.

That's all. No, probably not. You wouldn't want your daughter meeting Ragnar. No, no, no, no. Certainly not. All right. Let's take a break and do some GM talk. Keep him away from my girl.

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oh, let's rank coaches, let's rank teams. You rank GMs, it just feels more personal. It feels like, I feel like the GMs, especially when it's going up on NFL.com, I feel like the GMs are checking this one out. Yeah, I've gotten some response over the years. And everyone is trying to keep relationships with front offices and whatnot.

But luckily, that's not a concern for me. I'm a jerk. And I don't really have relationships with them. So there you go. you can call it as you see it because they have why does it feel more personal I think it's because they seem more like

you could almost imagine being one of them whereas you know they they should have the tables turned on them all they're doing is making up big boards of players and ranking them and talking about their butts and stuff let's turn the table out of the jobs but did you ever think like we never know you're still a relatively young man like

who knows what if you did want to at some point your career transitioned into getting a front office opportunity. I'm good. I mean, listen, you were ready to walk and become Lamar Jackson's personal assistant. You propose that idea. At the drop of a dime, you're like, yes, I'll take the job. I mean, that seemed more rewarding the hours.

You know, I've got a young family. We're really in our prime. I was thinking of that, you know, in Hawaii. Like, we've got to appreciate these times. These kids, they're not too young. They're not too old. We're a nice unit. you got to appreciate that.

Can I do that while being a Jason Light's assistant for 23 hours a day? I don't think so. All right. So you're just saying the Lamar Jackson gig would be very kind of low stakes and low effort necessary for a nice paycheck potentially? I don't know. Yeah, that could do it. He could be a tyrant. You never know.

I'm happy. We have a podcast. We've built this into something. We're not going to build an NFL team as successful as this podcast. All right. I like that. I like that. let's get to it um i overall think you did a strong to quite strong work on this um i have

unfortunately i don't have too many uh quibbles mm uh which is a a testament to the effort so let's go through it which did i mention i thought was strong okay to quite strong i don't deal well with uh praise i feel better when you here is the top ten i'm not perfectly on board but here we go howie roseman won brett v howie mother fitch two duke tobin of the bangles through let me just in case there's some people that aren't as die hard in terms of knowing the personnel in the front office brett vich chief's general manager who what a ride what a rocket ride greggie from being mocked by gregg rosenthal himself a few years back to number two on the gym rankings uh the chief's winning a super bowl there was many years

back, yes. Two Super Bowls in four years. We'll do that. Duke Tobin of the Bengals three. Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. Interesting. You give him the co-powered title. How do you decide who gets that co-slash?

Well, the bill's got it. At four, Lynch and Shanahan, same deal. Five, but you have, yeah, you have the GM first there. Good. Six, less needs Sean McVeigh. Slash again. Interesting. Brad Holmes.

Dan Campbell. No slash. Just Brad Holmes, seven, Detroit Lions. Goody. Now, Goody, I would think there would be a slash Mark Murphy there. No. He's not making the big personnel. Okay.

Okay. Eight. John Schneider, Seahawks. He probably should have a slash. They had a slash in previous years. Pete Carroll? Yeah. Yeah, give him a slash.

And Jera at 10. Again, I like the placement. Which one was the most difficult for you to place of this group? Well, the Rams. Because of how do you evaluate? what's happened to them. I didn't want to punish them too much before seeing how this season's goes. I didn't want to pre-punish.

But you look at what's happened over the last year. I think the biggest problem was those contracts they gave out, which didn't give them a lot of flexibility immediately to Donald Stafford and Cup and how many guarantees were in that. I also wanted to recognize it was a five-year run of the most wins in the league other than Kansas City. for the ram. So it wasn't just this tiny little window.

It was a six-year run before last year. And so I didn't want to kill them too hard, but it was tough. There was a big drop-off after the top five. I also was, you know, wondering, is that too high for Duke Tobin, the Bengals? But I give them a little extra credit for, as our friend Solomon Wilco. It's not really a friend, but someone I respect. Former colleagues. What he said about Marvin Lewis raising the Titanic in,

Cincinnati. I appreciate the hyperlank here. I appreciate it. I give Duke Tobin a little bit of extra credit for doing it in Cincinnati, maybe without as many resources. And if you look at his hit rate on the free agents that they brought in like DJ Reader and Awoosie and Trey Hendrickson and then the draft and I like the Orlando Brown move. And they have a number that they go to and they stick with it. I think they've done a great job. Yeah, this is where and trust me, as somebody does the power rankings, this is not a shot against the exercise. Sometimes it's a little bit. because it's like, Duke Tobin, yeah, he's done a good job, but the fact, they got Joe Burrow, who was a no-brainer number one overall pick at QB who changed the organization. So you don't really, and they got the number one pick because they were dreadful the year before. Yeah.

It's Burrow who reset the organization more than Duke Tobin, but at the same time, he did have to turn in the draft card. Well, he also made lots of good moves around him. Sure. He gets a little extra pop for doing it two different times. He had a very talented team under Andy Dalton. I said at the top, I'm ranking this mostly on what position they're in now, but you get some credit of what you've done over time.

And just all the moves are smart. Sensible. Like Brett Veach, like he gets credit for drafting Mahomes, but he also gets credit for not being afraid to move on from big names, like Orlando Brown, Matthew, and Frank Clark. And the offensive line overhaul kind of has gotten overlooked. Remember, their offensive line stinks. They're offensive line stinks.

He does that overall in 21, especially on the interior, it leads to a title the very next year. The other one I wasn't sure what to do with was John Schneider, who was at an all-time low a year ago right now, and maybe he should even be higher. I don't know if a GM's ever had a better month and a half than John Schneider trading Russell Wilson for all those draft picks at the exact perfect time into one of the best draft classes

of the last five or six years, two starting tackles, Tereke Will and the runner-up for rookie of the year. Ken Walker, who could have been in the mix for rookie of the year. And then two other pretty good players, Boy, Maffa and Kobe Bryant. That's six players in one draft that reminds me of that Saints draft back in 2017 or 18, which they lived off for years.

I mean, the Jets in Joe Douglas, and we can get to them. They drafted two rookies of the year, but I'd even take the Seahawks draft maybe over them. They're close. I mean, yeah, they nailed the draft. And like you said, the Wilson trade was the, move the decade, potentially. Just real quick, before we go,

I will actually take a quibble. I think Vich should be number one. Yeah, maybe. Because, and you didn't make note of it in your write-up, that they won the Super Bowl last year. And Mahomes, yeah, oh, they have Mahomes. So how much credit? Well, yeah, he wasn't the no-brainer number one pick. They went and they

targeted Mahomes and got him when another team. And Vich was the key guy in that by all accounts. So Vich will get forever credit for that. Like the idea, Tyriek Hill is maybe the greatest playmaker at wide receiver of the last, you know, 10, 20 years. Like he is that level to trade him and kind of retool the roster and then also win the Super Bowl, I think, and, you know, beating Howie Rosem's Eagles to do it. I believe he should be number one for that reason.

But I think Roseman deserves a top two spot for sure. No one brings in veterans like Roseman. I mean, Hassan Reddick, Bradbury, Gardner Johnson. None of those guys were on the team a year ago. Even Darius Slay a couple years ago, that trade. They do a nice job in the draft planning ahead. They have all these starters that are set up, Jordan Davis and Juergens and Nkobie Dean that are going to fill in spots this year.

They're always good playing now and later. But yeah, there's a big gap between those two. You asked who I struggled the most. It was actually Brad Holmes. I wasn't sure how to put the Lions because he's done everything absolutely perfect. It's hard to make the Lions into such a fun, relevant, talented team in two years. So he's like rebuilding 101. That said, if you go.

back and look at like executives of the year previously like sporting news has an award here's some winners over the last decade ryan pace he go dave getelman with the panthers you go uh reggie mackenzie won the award once the raiders ryan grigson so like the my point mic mcagnan one one right my point there is kind of like the easy part is getting from the two wins to the like eight wins and now you're frisky yes and then everyone gives you a lot of pop gc so that's a Sort of where Brad Hems is that now, but... Yeah, because you need to kind of build off that initial making moves that are kind of makes sense. Goody's too high.

Yes, yes, yes. Goody's too high. It's done getting better than this. My God. Goody's too high? I think Goody on some level squandered the end of the Aaron Rogers era. He's number eight, right? Yeah, you have him at eight here.

Because I do think that he kind of... He didn't give Rogers the roster in terms of playmakers that he needed last year. just, I can't, I can't look past that. I think he'd really dinged him. Now, Watson was a hit, but, you know, he was a rookie who developed late in the year, you know, the move to move on from Adams to not be able to land Darren Waller, although I don't know where Waller is at headwise, whether he would have made a difference with the Packers. I just think him for last year's disappointment to the point where maybe it would take him out of the top 10, but not like a major free fall.

So I don't have a major. I've always rated him higher and get pushback on that, especially from Packers fans who don't like them as much as I seem to. His drafts have been good. They haven't spent any in free agency this year, but previously their targeted free agents have been really good. I think it's the GM's job to just keep them in the mix, get him close every year. He did a good job with the Lefleur hire.

Yeah, I hear you though. Gerard 10, I'm cool with Belichick. I see, I know it was difficult for you and you feel like this is enough of a punishment to drop them out of the top 10. I think you've had him at number one in the past and always high up. in the rankings. But they're just such a... They're a mid.

Why is he not lower than 11 at this point? Did you watch the game on Monday? Like, did you watch the games the last three years now? What keeps him knocking on the door of the top 10 other than name value? You know, their drafts haven't been bad the last two years. They've gotten three good starters, I would say, out of both, if you count Mac Jones as a good starter. We'll see. That's a tough one.

pretty good pick. They're spending, it's hard to know how to separate Belichick, the coach from the front office, but they like, you know, their defense, they make a lot of production out of questionable players. So do you give that credit to Belichick the coach, or do you give that credit to Belichick, the guy who's bringing in these low-cost players? They're very middle of the pack. Eleven feels middle of the pack, but I guess you could knock them below like Telesco and DeCosta.

This group is all close to me. It's not like they've been bad. They're just mediocre. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, yeah, they've made the playoff once in the three post-Bradie years. The year they did make it, they got just, that defense got absolutely bombed out by the bills late in the season and then in the playoffs. And then, you know, last year was kind of, let's face it, a disaster.

But, you know, do you, the, the head, or the coaching staff decisions that he made, that's more Belchick, the coach than the GM. So you've got to kind of separate that. So not killing it, but I would maybe put him around 13 or so. Okay. No big deal. You got Mickey Loomis. Let's see.

Is this 14? He's 14. He's 14. Let me just go through the next, the rest of the ones that are eligible here. Because some guys aren't eligible until they have a couple years under their belt. You got Telesco at 12 of the charges, De Costa, the Ravens at 13. That's kind of a tough one to judge right now. Loomis of the Saints at 14.

Chris Greer, the Dolphins at 15. Joe D of the Jets at 16 He was one of the toughest one's a tough one They're 13 and 37 in his first three seasons It's not good It's pretty rough Just to look at that But on paper

They seem amazing other than his quarterback decision Which was a fiasco Maybe other teams would have made it Supposedly the Eagles were trying to trade up For Zach Wilson's like Sometimes you just get lucky or unlucky But this upcoming season will define I couldn't give him too much credit

I think that's fair. I think 16 is totally fair. As I've said, multiple times on this show, he has been a 235 hitter with 44 home runs. And if you could deal with the batting average being low, but the hits being meaningful and important, then it works. But like I said,

if the Rogers deal doesn't turn into what Jets fans hope it will turn into, he's going to be gone. Like I think Douglas will be gone, and I think Saul will be gone. there's so much riding on this year because 13 to 37 he inherited wreckage and really has built up this roster as we've talked about.

It looks pretty good. I was tempted to put him higher than that but then you're getting with guys who have done it before. Now if they go 11 and 6 or have a win in a playoff game, I think he would deserve to be a top 10 guy because he did. He showed that he built it into something

tangible in their playoff team again but they're not there yet. They have to do it. So I think that's fair. You have Jason in light of the bucks at 17, Chris Ballard, the Colts at 18, interesting. Andrew Barry of the Browns at 19. This one I would have a little pushback on as well. Now, I know that the Sean Watson trade you're not a fan of.

Nobody was really a fan of it in the subsequent contract that Barry was involved with handing to Watson, turn the league upside down and mess things up for a lot of people. But Barry, I think the, I think the Browns have, although they had a down year last year, I think he continues to make overall strong moves. And if the quarterback move hits, I think they're a power player in the AFC. So I think maybe Barry, based on his track record, the last three or four years should be higher.

Look, he's been in the job officially for three years. The third year is when you're supposed to really make a move. In years two and three of his tenure, they were eight and nine and seven and ten. The one year that they had a lot of success when he was the GM, It was mostly with the players that were already there. So their record is mediocre. The Watson trade, if you take out all the off-field stuff,

was a fiasco last year. He was a disaster. I mean, that was, you can keep saying like, okay, we got to wait until next year. It's like, okay, but you gave all that up. It's a fiasco because of the off-the-field stuff. But it was a fiasco because of the on-the-field stuff that he was so bad. He was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.

He struggled. In like five starts. Six starts. That's a third of the season. He was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league, and you gave up all that for him, and you went seven and ten in your defense. I just think when you say that you're connecting the other stuff

when you say that. But he's year three in your defense, which he's responsible for, was terrible. You know, like year three is kind of the move year, and they were in a worse position in year three than they were in their first year. So it doesn't reflect great. I agree when you look at the move to move to move,

it looks a little better. The Watson stuff was deplorable the way it all played out, but his year three is different than other year three is because the centerpiece of the organization, whether you like it or not, that they traded for was suspended for most of the season. So it made his year three kind of like almost hitting pause on it and be like, my real year three, quote unquote,

is when Watson is my week one starter. And I think like with the guy a little bit above him, Joe Douglas, like, yeah, Deshaun Watson has to play well. And they need to be a team this year or that ownership, like in New York, is a little temperamental. That might, everybody might be out of that building as well if Watson falls on his face this year. A lot of pressure.

I agree. A lot of pressure. Terry Fottno, from Atlanta at 20. Kind of like what he's done. He didn't really have a choice to do much the first two years. Quarterback I don't love, but these are the guys just like, it's kind of like, man, it's hard to have a hard take. Ron Rivera and Martin May.

of Washington at 21. Scott Fitterer, Carolina, rounds out the list. And these guys not... Casario and George Payton are second to last and last. Oh, okay. I missed that. Nick Casario 23, George Payton. I mean, you just get buried for Russell Wilson.

Sorry. And now, like, when you do this list next year, it's going to be George Payton slash Sean Payton. It might just be Sean Payton. I don't even know. But yeah, you got to give George the credit. I don't know if George will be there next year. We'll see.

Too early to rank Trent Balke, Rand Carthon, Omar Khan, Quesia Adolfo, Mensa, Mandae, Aston, Fort. You didn't get to hear this. I love Jonathan Gannon's on Aussie, like wondering what they're going to do with the third pick. I just want to hear this again. I'm into this Jonathan Gannon error. Every day I ask Moni, I'm like, Moni, what's you doing with that pick? What's you doing with that pick? He's like, you know what I'm doing with that pick.

I don't know what you're doing with that pick. What? Where is that from? Is that an NFL network one? That's good. Yeah, at the honors meetings. That's funny. Ryan Poles, Joe Shane, and Dave Ziegler.

It's less about the ranking. More, you know, check out the analysis. Way too much. 4,000 words. NFL.com slash Rosenthal. Good work, Gregie. Okay. Anything else?

We've done it. I think we've done. We're back to three shows a week next week. Yes. And then the week after that is the draft, which will, the coverage will be, again,

we're going to do something little different with the draft this year. We're going to share details of that next week. We can't have the conversation without Mark. I don't even know the detail, so I'm looking forward to this. This is unbelievable. Greg's been out.

He doesn't even know. Where was Greg? He was in Hawaii. It's the new Greg. This Greg was very similar to the old. Greg, I got to say. That's not a takedown. It's just like felt very after.

Other than the first 34 seconds when you were saying that it was going to be a new Greg, this felt like the same Greg. Well, maybe on air, you know, you, I'm not going to change who I am. But hopefully in my personal life. Oh, okay. That's how I treat people. All right. Did you find like an ancient medallion or something in Hawaii?

I feel like there's something about that trip that changed you. Yeah. I think it was cranking through. Love is Blind season four and just seeing what matters in life, you know. I hear you on that. All right. That's it. That is it.

Willie and Taush. Willi and Taush. Got it. That's my big takeaway from this episode. Till next week. Read the call. You know, I'm going to be able to be.

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