NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - NFL Schedule Release, Reaction, and Other ... Stuff

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, and Gregg Rosenthal are back to break down the 2023 NFL Schedule release! The heroes start with a look at the season's kickoff game between the Lions and Chiefs (06:52) and then do a mock draft of the season's opening weekend (12:30). After the break, the guys look at next season's international games (23:10) and holiday games (28:13). Dan gets some time to look at the Jets' schedule (33:10) before the heroes wrap up the show with a breakdown of next season's Thursday Night Football schedule (47:45).  note: time codes approximate NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am Dan Hansis. Heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Yes, we are back, kind of. And we plan to do two shows this week, but things changed. It's been a tough week. Not at total liberty to get into all the specifics, but please consult our social media profiles for more. on what has been a very tough week for the podcast.

And, you know, the show is no stranger to adversity and that we will regroup and march on. We always have. And I would say the only request I have for the listeners is just bear with us as we figure things out. And other than that, Mark, how was the play? The play. Which play?

Little Lincoln ref. Come on. A little Lincoln ref? Come on, bud. Little Lincoln ref. A little Ford theater day? You look like you're dressed for like a Lincoln play in the 18th. It is the offseason, Mark.

We do not need the suit jacket at this juncture. I think, you know, if we want to reference, first of all, the play was great, memorable. If we want to reference the stylings of our friend Chris Wesley in that a lot of times when you dress up, it's because there's a dearth of clean clothing in the dress-down scenario. We're not buying that. You always wear the jacket. Even at home you wear. Yeah, but because it's.

It's stationed in our locker. It's stationed in our locker downstairs. So I come in in like a sweat or a t-shirt and then change into this, then change back out. Here's the difference. And Chris Wesley, we're going to hear from Wes in a second. I love that. When Wes said it, it was very much true. Because Wes would, you know, five out of six days or like, say if we did a show three times or in the office five days a week, four of the days he'd be wearing like an NFL network polo and jeans.

maybe a pre-Lakisha. And then all of a sudden he would show up in like a button-down shirt with a pullover sweater and khakis and brown dress shoes. And it'd be just so like, what is going on? He'd be like, I literally don't have any other clothes. They're all dirty. He was like, I buy it. Hold on.

I don't know if I buy your. No, so you're saying my laundry, you are estimating that my laundry situation is untrue. Come investigate my laundry firsthand and you'll see that there are truisms attached to what I've said. As a longtime critic of men's fashion, I think. you are being the change you want to see in the world and I respect it I just that's a nice bridge building attempt Greg I appreciate it

um yes so yeah yeah yeah yeah weird week but the NFL schedule marches on the NFL schedule literally was released on Thursday and we're going to dig into it in our loan show this week

everything from primetime games to holiday games to international games highlight Gregi some team schedules that caught your eye perhaps but before we dig in we'll start with week one just for fun I would like to hear from the great late Chris Wesleying who always hated this time of the year

it is the last league tent poll event or the first depending how you look on look at it. And he was never really about it. I have, I always kind of agreed with him, but since he's been gone, there's been something about this particular thing that I agree with even more. Here is Chris and Eric behind the scenes did a great job digging it up, speaking on his general issues with people getting overly into this time of year. You want to race to the schedule and find out your road trips, plan all that, put a W&L next to every team on your schedule, I get all of that.

Just don't ask me to analyze it five months. There's no analysis necessary. Just enjoy the schedule being released. I miss Wes. I miss Wes this week. And I love hearing his voice and I agree 100%. This was always, yeah, the time of year. And it used to be before the draft, actually.

So it almost was like interrupting draft season. But Wes would hate all the secrecy that we'd have to have with the schedule. we would black out the podcast studio so no one in the building could hear it and he would just think this was the biggest colossal waste of time. But the NFL smartly realized actually we could blow out

that colossal waste of time more after the draft and kind of extend the season a couple more weeks. And I'm with West though. The first thing I did looking at the schedule, the only thing I really cared about personally was are the Rams playing

on Thursday or Monday night? Because it's very hard to take my family to a game on a Sunday and at this point That's my daughter's favorite thing to do in the world is to go to a Rams game. And I didn't deliver that for her last year. And we got one.

We got a Thursday night or December 21st. Excellent. Is your daughter equally flummoxed by the Rams general game plan in terms of the franchise's direction? She asked me a, yes. She talks about Jalen Ramsey often. She doesn't understand it. And it's hard to explain salary-capped considerations

and that there really is no explanation, that it's not a... Daddy, what's a long-range plan with Matthew Stafford? given the rest of the roster? I don't think it's going to be very long range. It's like 11 now. The thing that Wes mentioned that makes sense is like if you're a fan because I was hanging out with a Steelers fan yesterday and the minute like the schedule came out, it was like bang, planning trip to Las Vegas for week three.

Like that makes sense. Wes mentioned that. But I love, I always loved his take on this because analyzing it and we're about to go do that. So it's not like turn off the show. We're going to do a great job with it. But like why not stare at it if you want? I mean, why not stare at like a farmer's almanac that tells you it's going to be. a nice season to grow corn in

2029. Well, what if your village is bombed by invaders in 2026? It's like that unpredictable where we're going to be in week 17 or 18 but we're about to tell you why all that matters. Well, it's like Kyle Shanahan says there's no guarantee we even make it to Sunday.

I find it's... Much less week 17. Especially a fool's errand to predict like the easy part of the schedule because you never know like what teams will rise up and be frisky or even good. You kind of, I feel a little more comfortable looking at a schedule and saying, oh, this is going to be a difficult stretch based on certain superpowers that you don't expect to fall off.

Or this will be entertaining, especially early. It's like I'm willing to, you guess, although I guess injuries happen. The Patrick Mahomes Chiefs will provide me entertainment and be in some big situations this year. Which is a nice sag, Gregi, to Thursday, September 7, 2003 for week one. Let's kind of go through it here. We'll start with the primetime games And shout out to the team of around the NFL, the Detroit Lions, who turned last season's feel-good story, a season that ended with a winning record, correct? Correct. And no playoff, just missed the playoffs, but a winning record, 9 and 8, into a Thursday night opener showcase on the road in Arrowhead against the defending. champion chiefs.

That's Thursday night football. Pretty saucy. I got to say, Greg, I was a little surprised as much as we love the Lions that they were the team that was selected there to be the opener, which is kind of hollowed ground for the people that planned this stuff at 3.45.

I was shocked. I mean, basically, the NFL's deciding not to burn the Bengals or the Bills or these games that feel or the Eagles, for that matter, these games that feel Titanic. in terms of

AFC playoff seating and then a Super Bowl rematch is really unique You don't always get that And I like that I like that they saved those games until the end of the season So okay

Everyone's gonna watch kickoff anyways Let's put in everyone's favorite dad Dan Campbell And oh by the way NBC Maybe don't mention all those lions That were suspended for gambling I mean like if you look at their home schedule Well I mean I was a little surprised at that

because that was an embarrassing story for the NFL to put that team. By September, nobody will be. No one's going to, I mean, like, even now, we're talking about it. People have forgotten about it. I have no idea what Greg's talking about. Jameson, I mean, I think like there weren't a lot of options other than Bills or Bengals. If you pick about, if you pick who Kansas City played at home. But it totally threw me and in a wonderful way because it's like we were on to the Lions.

I think a lot of people think they're going to be fun and frisky. But it's a team that has been essentially shielded from the public eye outside of mostly embarrassing Thanksgiving. games for eons. And it's like they're recognizing that this is a team on the brink. It's a bit of a risk because part of me thinks, well, it's the chiefs. It could be 40 to 10. But if we get the version of the lions we had last year, you trust them to keep it kind of risky. And it's a big spot for Jared Goff. It's to the top five offenses by many metrics in the league last year. You expect points. And you hope for points. It could go sideways. Absolutely. That's like a big assignment for Campbell and still a young roster. And a much approved defense. And that in that week

one game, sometimes a kickoff game is a total snoozer and you're just still so happy with it. Like I'm thinking of the last kickoff game we did with Chris. You know, that was Texans Chiefs. We were at Chris's house for that. And that could, it was like Clyde Edwards-Layer had a halfway D-Cene. It could not have been a bigger snoozer, but everyone's happy because football's back. So that's there's an, and by the way, I think the power of hard knocks as much as people will sometimes denigrated at this stage. Check it out. Check out the lines that put them on the national There's nothing like winning, man. There is nothing like winning.

And I'm telling you right now, it doesn't matter if it's freaking dominoes, it's spades, it's bouret, it's croquet, it's fucking chest, it's preseason, ass kicking, it does not matter, man. Winning is winning. And it feels good, man. So when George McCaskey of the Bears is openly shooting down the idea of being on hard knocks, look what happened to the lines. I'm drawing a direct line.

Right. You could suggest that your actual, you're and Colleen's coverage of that hard knocks, journey potentially led to this. So maybe the Lions should think of you to some degree. It does not know what Boo Ray is, by the way. Sunday night football, week one. Dallas Cowboys at New York Giants,

and I know, speaking of West again, there might be some deep sighing there. Like, how many times does America need to watch a spotlight game between the Cowboys and Giants? But I'm here. I don't think he's alone in that process. Twice a year. And very often in this kickoff spot,

it's got to be at least three or four. four times they've had a primetime week one game and then on monday night football uh another new york team this the the jutes the jeets oh the jets the jets who as expected getting a lot of prime time love in this schedule and we'll get to them in a little bit but they got bills at jets um opening up the season on the shoot one two nine twenty eight on the uh it'll just call it the anniversary of nine 11. So they'll have that big game in a primetime spot, which is wild. Wild. I also like that they don't do the doubleheader week one, but the doubleheader's not gone. The Monday night doubleheader for the second straight year is part of the week two coverage.

And week three. And Bill's Jets, Bill's Jets to my, what I really want to say was like, that deserves its own spotlight. I don't like it when it gets cut up for a big game. Week two and week three. And then week like way down the road, they have the old weeks, I think it's week 14. they have the double Monday night football starting at the same time scenario which to me is unpleasant but I understand that they just want to simply fill our lives all the time with games nonstop.

You've got to be a modern man in a world that's moving very quickly. You've got to have two screens going. You've got to be computing everything. You have to have your socials open and be interacting with society as well. I'll need that trank dart. Is that like an experiment to instead of flex teams

you just put two games on at the same time late in the season? It's like one of the two. I think the schedule is probably just messed up and they're like, just to put two of that. Let's do just for fun. The rest of week one, like we do during the season and all our preview shows.

Let's do a mini-mock draft here of week one. Greg, you won the title last year. You got the strap. Why don't you make your first pick? That's goddamn right. I'm going to take Dolphins Chargers. I don't know why, but I really want to see this Dolphins team play again shortly.

We got the two of Herbert thing. We got the Jalen Ram. Vig Fongio thing. Fongio. That's my game. Yes, I would go with, ooh, interesting. The top two, to me,

were at the same time. That was a tough choice. Mm-mm-mm. I guess, Dan, you're next because you came in second in the... Yes, I was the silver medalist. You know, just for fun, I do want to see the opening

of the Jordan Love era against Justin Fields and the improving Chicago Bears. It's a bit of a reach, but I got to be honest with you, I didn't see anything that is a home run pick two for me. And I am legitimately kind of fascinated by both of those teams. I agree.

I take it back. I take it back. I love this. I'm glad you took it back, Greg. Thanks. How about this, the defending NFC champion Eagles going into New England where they're going to have like celebrate Tom Brady Day, which, you know, brings a lot of thorny potential, you know, he left in a strange way, but that stadium's going to be bonkers absolutely lathered up.

Especially if Tom Brady buys the Raiders or something, whatever the latest, like ridiculous report. That's a little bit of a sideways approach to it. But kind of a weird place for the Eagles to start their season. And, you know, I think New England's sort of a middle of the pack team, obviously. But I don't love that for Philly. And their schedule in general is a little thorny, so it gets off to a rough start. Check out how Bill O'Brien reinvents the Patriots offense. Pinch me.

So I think it just, it seems like an obvious point to make, but it's probably a bad sign that the number one. one thing about, like, schedule release is Robert Kraft being so excited that Tom would come visit the stadium. And then they released their schedule release video. And it's all a bunch of retired Patriots players in a retirement home, including Devin McCordy. And it's like, don't think about the actual team that's playing football anymore. Let's just think about, like, past glory.

That's pretty much our main. That's where they're at. I still used to it. All right. So, let's move on. That's good. That's it. that's the top i mean you want to keep going no i guess that's fine is there another throw out one more

game that really interests you Gregie well i want to see the start of the anthony richardson era and i think he's going to be starting week one against the jags i know that's that that might be drafted a little later week one is my favorite week of this season this is the best week of the season i like this niners steelers i want to see who's playing quarterback for san francisco i kind of think the whole year two of kenny picket it's in pitts weird start for the niners uh it could be tray lance could be Rock Purdy. Is it weird, Mark, that you're, the coach that you love more than any coach, Kyle Shanahan, is gassing up the Darnold Hive now, calling him a franchise.

I saw you tweeting about that, and I think it for you, it's a nice fever dream. It's a failed experiment that I, like, if Sam Darnold starts more than three games for that year, they are in big trouble. Fully let it. May is the best time of year for Sam Darnold. Primetime games. Four teams have six prime time games. Kansas City, Buffalo, Dallas, Chargers.

That's a little rich for me. I would agree. The Chargers getting that many private games, but whatever. The Packers, Raiders, Giants, Jets, Eagles, Vikings, and Niners all have five primetime games. This is, by the way, good info from the NFL research department who do killer thing. Right, but that doesn't even count like that Black Friday game, for instance, for the Jets. the Thanksgiving You have some spotlight games

The Bills and Patriots will each play This is With all due respect Greggy The Pats continue to get So much primetime love The Bills and Patriots will each play three straight

Primetime games Which is interesting And it's weeks 14 through 16 And We could flex some of that out If they're just a Only the Monday night game

Because the other ones Our NFL Network And Thursday night I did notice though They only had one Sunday night game Dan And that's the difference, and that's week two. And that's, to me, very much a sign of, like, Robert Kraft has sway with the broadcasters.

But they're like, we've got to get the Patriots their one Sunday night game to keep them happy. But we're going to get it out of the way early before they potentially. You know what is offensive about this, like the prime time alone? I get these other island games. You're giving the Raiders five primetime games. They could be an ugly operation to begin with. You're giving the Vikings five. I'm not sold on the Vikings in general.

and the Bengals aren't even on this list. Hmm. That's a good point. Bengals aren't even on this list. They have four. That's not the worst, but it's like, how on earth are the, the Bengals have been recognized more than any other season in a long, long time as a team that's getting a lot of these games. They have four prime time and a couple other things happening here and there.

But are they not? How do the Chargers have six? The Raiders have five. The Vikings have five. And we don't know who the Packers are, and you're giving the Bengals four. I have a theory because the league is always trying to push the. the product that they are very much in conjunction with the chargers themselves trying to get the chargers to really get a foothold right here in L.A., and they see a Justin Herbert as a

superstar quarterback. They want the chargers to be a thing. And sometimes when someone's really trying hard to make something a thing, there will be football fans or adults. They're like, whoa, like it makes you actually be like repel the thing even more. Like don't make them a thing. The Raiders getting a lot of primetime love. That makes sense to me because they're a great vibe to me. They're a great home stadium experience in primetime. I like the Raiders, even though I'm not a Raiders fan, just watching them. To me, they're pretty good theater, so I'm not as down on that.

But I would also argue that that's, hey, we've just put out this massive effort to create this incredible new stadium in a new venue. I think that's part of it. They're not using it for the. They're not using it for the Rams much in prime time. So you got to use the Chargers. The Rams who did win a Super Bowl only a year ago. and they're in prime time twice. Neither one of them is on NBC,

which to me is like the number one spot where they put the teams. Part of it is, and we'll get to it later, is just though the Chargers schedule. The Wests play the East's. And the Easts are where all the juices going into this season.

They're the two best divisions. They play each other, but they also play the two West teams. So there's just like a lot of spicy chargers, you know, out of division matches. So I think that's part of it. Buy weeks. See, this is some of the stuff

that's more interesting to me in terms of trying to figure out trajectory and things. There's always teams that get banged with a bye week that's too early. This year, the first buy week is week five. The Browns, Bucks, Chargers, Seahawks have the early buy. The last by is week 14, which is a little too late, Cardinals and commanders. The Cardinals are the one out of a team out of 32 that I'm not looking forward to in week one. Other than that, I'm intrigued enough. Like at some point, teams fall off.

they have the commanders who I still that's you know not a that's not going to be drafted high but I am curious to watch that's a little no I'm curious the commanders I think could be kind of interest that's got Nick Shook written all over it they've got a lot of um offensive firepower and I'm curious about howell but that's not a great I hate these I these teams getting stuck with the it's it's the Browns Chargers Seahawks and bucks week five buy I think is good for a team if you had like a rookie quarterback and it's like let's reorganize let's see what we've done over the first month or so and get that extra time to come back out firing. But I mean, the Chargers, like, this is a team that's dealt with injuries year after year. They're getting a week

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to learn more. All right, we're back. Mark, something that jumps out to you upon the release of the 2003 NFL's game. Well, Greg mentioned it that the AFC East has the NFC East, and it's just like, you know, we're a year removed, and I mean, I think months removed,

but we haven't really been following, paying attention to what's happening to the Jets, the Dolphins, and even to some degree, the Patriots. Like, it's easy just to look at the Buffalo Bills is, well, they're going to win 13 games, and we're going to see them 14 times. They have 10 games. this year against last year's

playoff teams, including both Super Bowl teams. One of their home games is a Jaguars game in London. They play four of their final six on the road to end the season. And three of the road games are against the Jets. That's going to be thorny. Obviously, they play one game against the Jets on the road. But they get the Bengals on the road and the chiefs on the road. And if I just look at last year's Bill's team,

I mean, they went through so much adversity. And you found out that Josh Allen was this absolutely wonderful leader. and the whole team to me is really, they're a true team. But, I mean, they're going to put right through the crucible all over again. And I think their schedule speaks to me as a team that's going to fall off a little bit in terms of where they'll be in the seating in the end in the AFC. It's about as tough as a slate as Sean McDermott could have dreamt up. Wait, so that Tottenham game is a Bill's home game?

Yeah. That's interesting. Well, because they're not making the Jaguars take two home games for that. Right. And we haven't taped since they announced the international. Yeah, you want to go through those? Sure. All right, let's go through the international slate.

By the way, shout out. I was actually, did a little FaceTime because phone calls with Henry Hodgson aren't enough to see that beautiful. Well, you've got to get the folks. Broad man in HD is what it's all about. We're catching up. And he is now the general man and longtime listeners, Noel Henry Hodgson, that's handsome Hank from the Sheck days, many, many appearances on our show. Now is the general manager of the UK NFL experience. And he was all over television and radio in England for the schedule release, which is nice.

I mean, they don't mess around. I saw the clip on Sky Sports where they got the whole Tottenham, you know, Hotspur Stadium is empty, and they put it up on the big screen, and they got Henry there, and then they do a roulette wheel to reveal the themes. Do it. I think, like, if you're, like, men would enjoy watching Henry or eight, like women would enjoy watching Henry speak about anything. Sure.

He's a full audience, full crowd, adult child. Pleaser. Broad. Broad appeal. No, physically broad. Should you put a lot on his shoulders. He fills out the television. Both physically and professionally.

Absolutely. Anyway, international games. The NFL will host five regular season games outside the U.S. Three in London, two in Germany. I guess the Estadio Azteca and Mexico is still undergoing construction, I would guess, because that's a great scene. Yeah, they're getting ready for the World Cup. that won't be involved

but I'm sure it will be down the line so week four and a big headline coming out of this the Jags who have forever been connected to London ownership is very they have a very a vision that has been unshakable to make the Jaguars

I think the dream I don't even think Shad Khan wants the Jaguars to be the home team of England that's his goal there is this little side thing I don't think it's going to morph in more, but they may not be able to play

in their actual stadium down the road a bit because of repairs for a stretch, almost two seasons. He owns Wembley, right, at this way? Well, they're Jacksonville Stadium. Right, is there issues with the chlorine tank there? I will report back of what the issues are. So the Jags this year have taken it to the next level are now playing two games in England. One a home game, one designated a

road game. Falcons v. Jaguars kicks off the international games in week four from Wembley. And then in week five. So the Jags just stick around. Atlanta gets on the plane. We saw Atlanta play the Jets a couple years ago. So the Falcons obviously like this scene as well. The Falcons go home. The Jags stick around in London and then play the Bills at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The Big Totty. The Hot Tottie. Okay. So Wembley one week, Hot Tottie the next. So you got Jags back to back and you get Josh Allen in England, which is a very nice shoutout,

by the way, to our overseas listeners in the UK. and Ireland and Scotland. Scotland is part of the UK, correct? He's looking at Greg for that answer. I believe it is. I believe it is. It is. I'm not answering. I don't know. Yeah. And only part of Germany. Only part of Ireland. But, you know, it's more that, you know, we love all of our listeners overseas.

Australia. How about you? Shout out to Australia. Iceland. By the way. The Hague, the Netherlands. I can confirm that Scotland is part of the United Kingdom. And Ireland very much not part, but Northern Ireland is. Anyway, we know, sort of.

Except for Scotland. We weren't sure about that. Anyway, let's see, Ravens versus Titans, week six from the hot toddy. And then week nine, we head to Germany. Dolphins versus Chiefs. Hamana, homina, week nine from Frankfurt Stadium. And then Colts versus Pats, week 10, also from the Big Frank.

Deutsche Bank Park. So it'll be a different stadium than a year ago. But it'll be, I suspect, an amazing atmosphere. That used to be one of the best rivalries. League Colts Pats, not as much juice, but to get Dolphins' Chiefs in Kansas City, I mean, in Frankfurt,

to me, that's one of the games I'm most looking forward to this season just because you can't imagine a scenario where Tyreek Hill going against his former team. And it's almost a shame that it's not happening in Kansas City. But you can't imagine a scenario where that thing is not in the 30s or the 40s and not like a really important entertaining game.

So they're not messing around. Those are NFL network games. Yeah, I think in general, if you look back to half a decade ago, and frankly, like, you know, Handsome Hank has something to do with this, the games, the teams have gotten better. Like, you've got star quarterbacks. You've got Patrick Mahomes. You've got Josh Allen.

the Ravens with Lamar Jackson, and frankly, it really just helps that the Jacksonville Jaguars are intriguing. And, you know, this is the first time in history where a team stayed there two weeks in a row. I just want to hear, I want to see a think piece about what's it like for, I think coaches in general don't love the concept of having to pick up camp and go somewhere else and do everything somewhere else. And I mean, the Jaguars are more practiced at that than others, but Doug Peterson's, you know, not done it five times in a row. So how do you prepare for the bills in London in a completely different environment than your home base? I just, that intrigues me for some reason. You would think it'd be an advantage, but we were, we've been, we go there for a week. And, you know, obviously we work at a, at a level that NFL players can't comprehend.

But I would say, I mean, I feel like we spend half the time at like the hotel bar there. I mean, it's like, well, yeah. We'll edit that. It's sarcasm. Yeah. They, at the end of that week, I feel like we're ready to go home. Our great friend, Rachel Beneta, I felt like she was there for two weeks. by the end of that second week, you know,

you might be running out of gas. Maybe it's a disadvantage for the Jaguar. Oh, we'll see. Good way to look at it. Good opposing view. Anyway, Dan does not care. It's time to pivot. Yeah, this is the part that West was talking about.

What are we talking about? I don't care. Let's move back to the homeland. Thanksgiving games. All right. Here's the slate. Packers at Lions. The customary slot for those teams,

Well, it's not always the Packers, right, against the Lions, but thank God the Lions are now a highly compelling team and hopefully will remain that way. So you get the Jordan Love experience, the Packers are total unknown. So we won't know what's going on, but we'll have a much better idea where they're at by Thanksgiving. And remember, this season doesn't start until after Thanksgiving.

The commanders at Cowboys in the middle game, that's a big old me for me. Well, we'll see where the commanders are. I'm with you. Yeah, I mean, who could be, if Sam Howell doesn't work, Are we getting Jake Brisket on? No, you could have done a lot there with the Cowboys. That's very often the two matchups,

Packers, Lions, and Commanders, Cowboys. I'll always remember RG3's rookie season sort of. Lighting up, Dallas. And then the game that is always at different teams is 49ers. There's the late game, the NBC game. 49ers at Seahawks and NFC West Tilt and a damn good one. And they did that before. That's been a matchup before.

I mean, I love that. Excellent. And that is just for a little background. That's the 11th time Washington and Dallas play. Cowboys have won eight of two. And the Seahawks and Niners are playing on Thanksgiving for the first time since they played each other on Thanksgiving. Fill in the Year, it was a 19 to three Seahawks win.

Sounds boring. 2014. Got it. Wait, really? He got it. A bang. Good job, Gregie. That was a totally random.

I went to your home. of during that game. I believe probably the Tito's was probably flown at that point. So that's, it's a hazy memory. That's the only time I ever ate macaroni and cheese because your wife prepared it differently than a grown man who's only eaten macaroni and cheese once in his life. That was the, there are three big, my three favorite Mark Sessler food moments. One. I know what number one's got to be.

Number one's most recently. Yeah. the cheeseburger incident, which is still incredible and shocking. Two is the mac and cheese Thanksgiving incident. And three is after you and I had a rollicking night out about 10 years ago, and we were on the streets of Culver City, and there was a food truck outside,

and we got some street meat burritos. I got the regular, like, meat burrito. You got the veggie, but they were cooking the veggie burrito, like with the meat and you got some meat and all of a sudden I couldn't find you and you were in the bushes and you had to let go some of that. I was wondering where you're going to go with number three but I do remember that and it was like $7 or $8

that went totally to the wrong place because there was like a big piece of steak in the middle of it or something. It banged you on a big spot. Good memories, good memories. Let's see. What else? There's a Black Friday game. A Black Friday game.

So Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving. It's a shopping thing. Amazon Not anymore It is As a massive investment At the NFL

To air Thursday night Football But they also get The Black Friday game Which is available To everybody And it will be The Miami Dolphins

And New York Jets From the Meadowlands And Mark I think you have some Opinions to share on this I want to take the attitude Of I get what's happening here

Like sometimes You're a company This is our company They're just going to do What they do And you got to roll Oh sometimes that's what happens. That is what happens sometimes. And they, I get it. We want a game on every day of the week. And if there is an American holiday being celebrated, it will be celebrated with, if not a trio of games, at least one. And on, you know, what if I wanted to go downtown and stare at cakes in a window on Black Friday, which is like you go out and be a consumer? Well, I will be chained to a chair. And I'm hoping at that point that the Jets who are on about 27 island games are actually a viable team at that point. Because if things, my one feeling about this thing in general is a little jetsy. And,

and we can get into it later if you want. But like if the Browns had this happen number times where it's like you have a positive season, they give you six island games, and then a nuclear bomb drops on the reality of your team. And the jet schedule is a load. It is a rough situation. So you don't really have any more Black Friday thoughts.

You want to pivot. You can do that. I decided to go down Company Man Avenue here because it's like, that's why you're wearing the jackets. What have you been doing on this Black Friday anyways? I don't remember. cake shopping.

We were so excited. You told us on text yesterday. You were going to share all the things that you wouldn't be able to do on Black Friday because now you have to watch a football game. I will send it out on... And now you're going to get a what if the Jets suck screen we're going to get instead?

Check my... It's not too late. We want it. We want it. The game will be over by 3 p.m. That gives you a chance. Check my Twitter by 8 p.m. tonight. And I will send out...

For anything that includes our actual real thoughts about life, check our social media right now. Exactly. Yeah, let's check out the Jets schedule. if that's a natural transition. Listen, the Jets are a major storyline around the league this year. Jets fans are like soaking that in.

It's a great feeling. However, we're going to learn a lot about this team quickly. And to Mark's point, they could be in a lot of trouble if they don't come out of the gates with the offense humming and the defense playing at a high level because I think they have as tough

as schedule as any team in the league out of the gate. You got open up in prime time against the bills. So that's a team that they've played well against overall, but that is the bills. That's Josh Allen, that's Sean McDermott. That is a superpower. Week two, they get on a plane and they go to Dallas to face the Cowboys, which the NFC is weaker than the AFC, no doubt,

but that is another very difficult matchup for the Jets. They come home, and I think this is like the breather game early on for them. It's the Patriots, and you say, okay, that's doable. Greggy knows as much as anyone. The Jets never beat the Patriots. Not in 14 years. They need to. That's something.

they're still trying to slay even last year they got swept and then they welcome in the chiefs in week four so as a jet's fan the schedule does appear and again we never know to soften up in the back nine but you can't sleep on a potential car crash early on get out for me and I have high hopes about this team as I've said if I can get out of there Greg two and two I'm feeling really good about the season but it's tough it's no there's no gimmies there I think that's the way to look at it You got the Broncos two, week five, and then you got the Eagles, again. So you got six, I know you have one game, you know, the Broncos and the Patriots in there look easier, but they're not total patsies. And before you're by, get the three and three there.

But that's sort of the case with the entire division. I really think the AFC East division schedule is the toughest. The NFC East isn't far behind, but the fact that out of division, you have to play the AFC West, which I think you're guaranteed that the chiefs are going to be legit. think the Chargers will be in the mix and the other two games are competitive. Then you have to play each other and you have to play the NFC East. It's just tough. So you're going to get buried somewhere. The Patriots are the other team, I think, that have the toughest schedule in that division

because they don't get to play the Patriots. Right. And their start is Eagles, Dolphins, both at home. So you get the two home games to start. And the way they do play the Patriots because the Robert Craft against Bill Belich. Yeah, Bill Belich struggle within that building at this point. Every week is Patriots against Patriots against Patriots. That's very well said.

Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys is a pretty tough first four opponents, the second two of those on the road. All four of those teams seem like teams that want to win double-digit games. But that's the thing. In the AFC East, even saying that the Patriots, they're over under will be, what, seven and a half or something like that, I don't know what it is. One of the Bills, Jets and Dolphins, who are all over the primetime schedules, because to me they're all fascinating. one of those three teams is more than likely going to have quite a disappointing season. And I don't have a feel. I think they're all really good.

I think the Jets deserve to be in the top eight or nine of the power ring. And I think the Dolphins do too. And just like something has to give, though, there. I think the Jets do because we are wanting to watch them. And I mean, just that that could get rough by December. But it was a year ago, everyone was saying like, oh, the AFC West, probably if not four playoff teams, at least three, two of those teams didn't win more than six games. So it's like someone in this division is going to take an excitingly dangerous,

like a total dirt nap. You look at the AFC West with the benefit of hindsight, of course. Some of that felt a little artificially inflated. We didn't know what it was going to happen with Russell Wilson. That made sense on paper. And the thing with the Raiders, we saw Devante Adams. We said, oh, now they're going to be good. And that didn't work out.

With the East, the AFC East, which is so interesting, is we know the Jets have a top defense and now Aaron Rogers is there. So I feel really good about them being a competitive team. team. The Dolphins, who everyone's kind of sleeping on in this division, they, as long as the quarterback stays on the field and now they even have a more competent backup quarterback and Mike White, the Dolphins, I think, absolutely have a chance to win 10 or 11 games. I mean, their schedule is ugly, like, just like these other. Sure. They all, it's a very, as Greg was saying, like you're playing a lot of top teams,

but the Patriots are not going to roll over and go 4 and 13. They're going to, I think the Patriots are going to do what they do, and they're going to hang around and be an 8 to 10 win team and then I trust the bills unless they take a step back, which they could because the division has caught up to them a little bit here. So this could be a division where if it plays out where no team bombs out, where the wind total could be a little deflated because of the war that's going on in this division and maybe 11 and 6 wins it. Or 10 and 7, but you'd be a more dangerous complete playoff team record record aside. And on the flip side, I think the North Division in the AFC especially benefits because they get to play the AFC South.

It's not easy. You know, in NFC, they play the NFC West and like that's a media, an average division, I would say because you got the Cardinals, but you also have the 49ers. But you look at like the teams like the Ravens or the Browns or the Steelers. Like there is opportunity, I think, for the AFC North teams to end up racking up surprising records. One of the reasons why we think the Easts are so good is because they had easy schedules last year.

Like, to me, the Patriots were not an eight-win team last year. Did they even win eight, or did they only get the seven? Either way, their schedule helped. And the Jets, especially, you know, against all those backup courts, their schedule helped artificially inflate that division just a bit. But I'm not worried about the Jets being stinkers. But they're probably between, especially. Stinkers would be like they're eight and seven going into week 17 for the...

Which would be in Cleveland Browns on Thursday Night Football. Wouldn't that be juicy? The Jets and Dolphins, Jets fans don't want to say. say it, Dolphins fans don't want to say it. One of them will probably flop. Probably. The dolphins, and it's all like, like we said, it's really hard to know, but early in the season that Dolphins having at Chargers, at Patriots, I hate starting on the road

for two games, first of all. You have at Bill's week four, at Eagles, week seven. So that's four very difficult road games and the Chiefs in Frankfurt all before you're by. Like, I'm looking at that, and there's a couple easier games, home games to the, you know, the Broncos, Giants, Panthers. It's like if you're five and four looking at that schedule, I'd feel fine. Like, and that's the thing.

There's such high expectations, but five and four might not feel that great. Let's take a break and then wrap up our schedule preview. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the team.

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slash NFL now to learn more. All right. Welcome back. There's a portion of, again, the NFL media research team. You know, bring it on Bristol, whatever your research group is. Right. What was the one that always used to get brought up for decades? Elias.

Whatever. Elias Sports Bureau? Come try us, Elias. Because we got NFL media research. Are they still operating as a bureau at this point? I don't know. We probably swallowed them up in some corporate supermerger. There you go.

a lot of blood spilled schedule inequities it's still a leader in historical research and yeah it's history is right in the world of professional sports i love alias that's been a huge part of my i mean they are literally the official statisticians for the national football league shut up gregg uh the NBA and uh major league baseball have you ever heard of it winning Elias so they're still doing well shout out to Elias love you man what they did They had cornered the market. What is Greg is now? I do not know.

Elias cornered the market for about 20 years where any time any historical thing was cited, they said, oh, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, I think it was called. And since then, a lot of leagues have built out their own research groups. Yeah. But as Greg is represented for the company,

points out, we still here, dog. We still here. Hey, Elias. Love you, brother. Are you trying to get a job? Schedule inequities is within our research packet here, which I like. So five teams will have three game road trips during the 2023 season. That's rough.

Back to back to back road games is rough. The Ravens 4 through 6 get Cleveland, Pitt, Tennessee. That's in Tottenham in England. The Giants week's 9 through 11 get Vegas, Dallas, Washington. The Titans 9 through 11 get Pitt, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville. The Panthers 12 through 14 get Tennessee. Tampa Bay, New Orleans, and the Broncos 13 through 15 get Houston, Chargers, Detroit. I want to point out also when those teams I just read, you'll notice how much work goes

into these schedules that these, the schedule anchors will say, okay, if we're going to bang these teams, they get three road games. We're going to make sure we don't give them three monster contenders in a row. There's going to be some breathing room in there. Not everything is thought through, but sometimes teams still get banged a little bit of the way it works out. And four teams start with back-to-back home games, which is very nice. Broncos, Falcons, Broncos have Raiders, commanders, Falcons, who I think should be in the running for a team of Yan Yan. Falcons in general, their schedule is favorable.

How about the Falcons getting out of the gates against the Panthers and the Packers without Aaron Rogers? Interesting. The Patriots, Greggy, opened back-to-back home games, but they ain't easy. Eagles, dolphins, and Steelers get Niners versus Cleveland, back-to-back road games for Packers, Raiders, dolphins, and Niners. I think, and you mentioned the

Falcons having, you know, that nice start. That division to me, and I mentioned the AFC North, but even more than the AFC North, there will be opportunity for those NFC South teams, for one of them to win 10 or 11 games even when they're not very good. I think they have

the easy, like all of them combined, have the easiest schedules in the league because, A, they get to play each other. That's nice. B, you get to play the AFC South. I'll take it. And then you play the NFC North. So there are no world beaters in all of that. I feel like that entire team, I'm doing projected starters now, the entire division.

I know the bucks are quite a bit behind in terms of Vegas, in terms of the odds, but the other three teams are close. Like, all those teams are good enough and probably should win six to seven games, and they're just hoping they get a few breaks to win nine or ten. And I feel like that describes the entire division. Someone's going to end up like being one of the stories of the season, winning 11 just because the schedule's too easy. Yeah, just to drill down like a little bit like the Saints.

So they have seven of the first 11 games on the road. Yet those games are like Carolina, Green Bay, New England, Houston, Indianapolis, Minnesota, Atlanta. That's serviceable. And the Panthers don't cross more than a single time zone after week three. So some of it is like they are clumped together regionally in a way where like you're not, Some of these teams are traveling insane amounts. Others barely seem to leave home.

Although, yeah. I always see the teams make a big deal about the time zones and the traveling. And I get it, but it's like... Out of the numbers. The numbers show... You're in a private jet. It's once a week. I guess I'm partly thinking as a tennis fan.

It's like, oh, Anna Callan Sky has got to play in India on Sunday, and then she's on the West Coast of America on Tuesday. No one's crying for her. She's not in any private jet. And if these tennis players can handle it, I'm just saying. They're like going like 11 time zones week to week And I'm sure it's not helping them Probably business class

Look at the numbers on a West Coast team Starting at 1 p.m. Eastern Like it's they're horrible I was going to get to the Thursday night schedule Which is always compelling Because it's a source of great intrigue And consternation for some Did you guys have any other teams

You wanted to highlight before we had there? Just two little things on the Super Bowl teams From a year ago Because I think they're both well positioned To be favorites again Again, I noticed how the NFL ended the Chiefs season with Bengals on New Year's Eve. To me, that's like the number one rivalry and the number one most important game if I had to pick one in the entire schedule, just because, look, they've been the last two

AFC championship games. We know the quarterbacks. They've played these great games. That's Week 17. And then the Chiefs go from Bengals Week 17 to At Chargers, Week 18. That's just like a spicy finish. I feel like it's the Chargers' number one goal here to make that game matter and still be in it. And then I notice with the Eagles, who on paper in terms of strength, the schedule,

just opponents winning percentage have the toughest schedule. And it's brutal after they're by. It starts pretty cake for them to start out with a nice schedule at New England, then Minnesota, at Tampa, Washington, at Ram. So I feel like a soft start for them. And then maybe the toughest stretch of anyone's season on paper in the middle of the season. Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, at Cowboys, at Seahawks, if you want to throw that into that. That is crazy.

So the Eagles got to eat early to set up for that. I got one for you because I think we think the Falcons can make a leap based on their schedule. The Bears, it's hard not to make a leap. They had the fewest amount of wins in the league last year. But they play only four playoff teams. And for all these, how many playoff teams, one of them is the Bucks with it minus Tom Brady. Different situation. They get Jordan Love in his second career start.

they get either Baker-Mayfield or Kyle Trask in week two, week five, it's going to be Sam Howell or Jacoby-Berset. So I think it's a nice, it's a good situation for Chicago. Their schedule, I think the North is manageable. You can look at the Lions or the Bears as teams that could compete. I think the Packers have a chance. Anyone could win that division.

I mean, it's sort of a wide-open deal. And the Bears with, you know, if you get it from Justin Fields, who has a, if he went and had one of those big leaps, which I think is very possible, they're a team that could, like, go from worst to first. They're the Jaguars of this year If their young quarterback Can take that step up

And everything's lined up for them What were they, 3 and 14 last year? They could be a team that all of a sudden They're in playoff contention In the middle of December And it helps at the conference is what it is. It helps. They're actually favored right now

compared to the Packards. They're the third favorites in the division. It's the division that's closely, most closely bunched. Lions are favorites. Vikings next. Bears next. in Packers not too far behind, but they're all pretty

I'm a little surprised that the Packers are, I would not put them forth and put them second. I mean, the Lions fans, it must be a little bit uncomfortable for people just pestling them in to be like, oh, this feels like the favorite. That feels ominous for whatever reason. And it might feel especially ominous after you have to go to Arrowhead in week one.

Friday morning hot takes could be spewing. Bit of a wake-up call. Thursday night football. And Al Michaels legend that he is is back for another season. And he said in an interview last year, and I talked about it when he did it, that the Thursday night football schedule was, quote, a little leaky. And this is a major partnership between the NFL and Amazon.

And for instance, Mark, and we're still excited to hear about your Black Friday plans, by the way. I don't have any now. I think a big part of that game showing up, first of all, first of all, it makes sense. Logically, as a football fan, not even factoring in the Jets. That's a noon start on the West Coast on the Friday after Thanksgiving. Nice division battle. Penciled me in. It also gave Amazon another bite of the apple.

That's also maybe one of the best games on their schedule. And it wouldn't surprise me if that's the most, you know, streamed game of all time, just because that's essentially going to be a holiday right in the middle of the day. Let's see where we are with those teams. I love saying it now. I think you do love saying it, Mark. But I'm saying like the Lions playing the worst team in the league is the... Or three and nine.

I'm just saying it's the most watch. I know. The Jets could be bad, Mark. It's certainly. I am. You have stated that repeatedly. I am rooting for the Jets to be successful. I know you are.

I know you are. I love it. Clearly. Thursday night football, week two, the Vikings, Eagles, start things off. Week three, Giants, Niners. I'm just going to go for it. Go through it. Lions Packers, week four, Bears, commanders, five.

Broncos Chiefs, six, Jags, Saints, seven. Buck's Bills, Titan Steelers, Panthers, Bears, Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins Jets, Black Friday, Seahawks, Cowboys, Patriots Steelers, Chargers, Raiders, Saints Rams, Jets Browns. It's good. It's still, though, including teams that aren't getting much primetime elsewhere. Just put it that way. Still serving as that, yes. Saints are there twice. Do they have any other primetime games? You know, the Broncos have been downshunders. shifted quite a bit in terms of their prime time appearances. I'm pretty sure that's got to be the Bucks's only spot. But the good thing about this schedule is they didn't have to force primetime games this year as much.

The Cardinals, for instance, are not in prime time at all. I would be curious to see the Colts and Texans in prime time because of their rookie quarterbacks and because I'm a dork, but those teams aren't really getting prime time love. The Colts get it zero for Anthony Richardson. same thing with the Texans. And so normally that might have been put into this TNF schedule and they're not there.

And so overall it's better for sure. I think the thing that worries me about it a little bit because there are some good matchups in here. Seahawks Cowboys is really good. Jets, uh, dolphins, obviously. You got the Rams in a week 16. Why? Like from what we know about the Rams today.

To get me to a game, what did we talk about? That's my only chance. Beyond your selfish interests. I'm there. If you're listening to me and you work for the Rams, hook us up. Did you say self-interest or selfish interests? It has nothing to do with the larger population, just simply Greg's... You've got to give the 20-21 champions one primetime game.

Come on. Tennessee Titans, Week 9? I mean, we'll see. It's just that some of these are fine now, but they could be an odorous problem. You know what? They could... Wait, they can't flex the TNF. They wanted to flex late-season TNF, but that's not happening, at least not at this point.

Yeah, I get... That's it. I can anymore. It's enough schedule talk. we took it to the max we did it we did it for the listeners I did miss this week

and as you mentioned at the top you can check our socials you do miss connecting with the listeners about football we just love our connection with it and it doesn't feel right when that's ruptured but that's

that's why we do it we do it for each other we do it for the listeners so it's good to be back even if it's one of the sillier shows of the season I thought it was very serious and taken very seriously, Greg. I mean, it's just, it's all football, so I guess it's never too serious.

Yes, a very tough week. We are not strangers to adversity, not of our own invention, and we always carry on. This podcast, there are no reverse gears in this tank. You guys know that. I'll just add again. Give us time. to get things real. Now we just got to come up with what we're talking about

over the next two or three months. Oh, that. I'm sure we will. All right, everybody, have a nice weekend. We'll be back next week. He the call. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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