NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Offseason clichés & ATN mailbag

Episode Date: June 5, 2015

A room filled with heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- list some offseason tropes used by players and coaches from around the league (26:52). Then the guys answer your ATN mailbag questions including who is the most valuable player that isn’t a QB, what counts as a successful rookie season for Marcus Mariota and which Eagles receiver will have the most yards? (43:25)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is legal in the continental United States, but not Hawaii. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Christopher Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Good afternoon.

All right. I'm a little worried about this show. Cessler hasn't eaten a thing except for what are those cheese puffs all day. Baked Cheetos. They are hideous. Baked Cheetos. Hey, if your Cheetos weren't unhealthy enough, let's bake them. Or wait, that's supposed to be more healthy?

They're now healthy. It's allegedly more healthy. They're now as healthy as an apple. Forgotten in the exercise's taste. I grabbed these off a rack in the break room and I'm regretting every moment. It's like eating a cheese rice cake. I don't even like cheese. All right.

All right. He doesn't like a lot of things. What is your line, Greg, that you have about Mark? I think cheese on sawdust, though. He's a fooditarian. Mark's a fooditarian. He doesn't like bread. That's not true.

He like bread. And Wes Basking in the Globe before we came on, he found out that they just built a cornhole deck at Huckapoo's. Clearly the most obvious bid and really desperate bid yet. by the people of Tybee Island to Wu West Back East. That's a veteran move on their end. Where Cornhole was, they turned into a stage for bands. They have a lot of live music there. So I'm liking this new setup.

I bet you are. They're basically going to just put like Chris Wesleying presents Huckapoo's above their signage eventually. They're pulling out all the stops. I think they're making big money now, whereas, you know, the place burned down in a fire when I first moved there and everybody helped rebuild it. So we all felt a sense of ownership,

and now they're really starting, the actual owner is starting to make some money. Area Man leaves NFL reporting gig for parlor game. And, Greg, you are fresh off a Mountain Goats concert. Wow. You know, that was checking in. It was exciting. I don't know.

I don't think that's going to really resonate with a lot of our listeners, but, yeah, the wife and I had a nice time. I urge you some indie cred. We're out late. You know, we're used to going to sleep early. I went to yet another U2 concert last night I'm kind of embarrassed about it now And I was right next to Pierce Brosnan, 007

The faded 007 actions What do you mean right next to steal? Like you guys were chatting? We weren't talking, but we were both watching Bono before. Is he the type of guy that in person looks like 15 years older than he does on television? He looked good, he looked handsome as hell.

I always, when I hear the name Pierce Broson, I must be the only person that does this, but I think of Bronson Pinchot. Very different. I can get that. All right. So, big show today. We have some things to get to.

Like we teased on Tuesday's show, one of our favorite things this time of year is really to take a look at what we call off-season tropes of the coverage of the NFL. And this might seem like maybe we're attacking the establishment that we cover and perhaps we are. But we're also, you know, poking a little fun of ourselves because this is what we do for a living. And the same kind of storyline seemed to recycle every spring and summer.

So we're going to go through some of those and kind of tag it up with some active storylines that are happening right now. So the off-season tropes we will explore. Also, we will check back in with the mailbag. We did it last week. And we always like to, you know, get in communication with our listeners here in the United States. States of America and abroad all around the world mark why are you looking at me i agree with you the whole world i thought you know you said you spent a portion of your childhood in the syri i did in london outside of london so maybe i thought that would connect with you that's

why i was looking at you i don't know it's something's weird as happening in the studio right now let's just continue on into the first segment of the show so yes let's do that and uh there is before we get into those things we will check behind the glass he's a man you can already tell the confidence is building as he gets more comfortable in his role as the new number two behind TD who's in Nigeria for a wedding he is Sully

What's going on fellas Sully? Hey yo, hey oh Sully I have to admit I failed you guys What happened? What happened? You gave a task to find a trope song and I didn't Oh, Sully Oh yeah, that's right Are you already slacking off?

Yep We had a... At least you're up front about it. Yeah, I know. You only had one job to do. What did you do all yesterday? Well, I b-aed a show. What does that even mean?

Graphics. Now you're BS with us. Grew a mustache. It was a pilot. It was a pilot for one of our producers that might come out. I won't give anything away, but it was good. We had a shadowy league figure conference meeting earlier this morning where we went over how to properly file our TPS reports, also known as our employee reviews, and how to

put the wording accurately and all those things. I would say this is something that will have to come up, Greg, if you were to be reviewing Sully on his second show not to come up with the trope song. It would probably have to come up and maybe he would lose a star. Well, I don't need a formal goal process. I am reviewing him right now. You know, you're talking about some pilot. We've got a show that's on the air.

It's doing great. How about that's the priority? It's been a busy couple days, guys. All right. I did a, hey, do I get some points back? I did go see you two last Wednesday. You did? Yeah, it was great.

All right. With me, you do, but that's it. That's what it counts. His defiance, though, is much less abrasive than TDs. Southern charm. That's true. That's true. All right, let's do some news.

All right, let's start in Philadelphia, where the Eagles, of course, have a brand new backfield. Lashon McCoy, he's yapping away up in Orchard Park and that leaves DeMarco Murray and Ryan Matthews in the backfield and you would think that to Marco Murray, the reigning offensive player of the year will be their bell cow guy with Matthews having some type of secondary role but not true necessarily according to Eagles offensive coordinator Pat Shermer who revealed Wednesday that the two running backs will split carries this season.

Here's Shermer, there are two really fine players, They're two guys that have been starters in places that they've been in and they're going to come here and kind of share the role. I think that's terrific that that's their mindset because both men have said the right thing so far. Mark, spent some time in Siri. Now you're here in America. Eating those cheese puffs, they're baked.

You tell us. Should we buy into this? Or is this, you know, a little teaser of an off-season trope? Well, it feels we hear these tropes, this type of thing for a lot of different teams. What I kind of buy, though, here with Philly, is that I think if they had initially gotten Frank Gore like they wanted to, and if they felt that Frank Gore was healthy enough to be their workhorse,

they wouldn't have signed Ryan Matthews. I think with DeMarco Murray after the season he had last year, I am buying the fact that they went out and found someone else that can be leaned on, and I'm not saying it's a 50-50 split, but I don't think it's an 80-20 split, so I buy it from where they are today. I think if they're healthy, it is. 80-20 split. I'm not buying it.

Teams speak with their money. Ryan Matthews signed a three-year $11 million contract. That's pretty low level. Demarko Murray is getting paid like a superstar. The only reason Ryan Matthews is on the team, in my mind, is that they felt bad after they offered him a contract, and then they realized they could get Murray, and they decided not to take it back. I don't know if I buy that. See, that to me doesn't seem like a smart move either, though.

None of that means anything once a season starts. That's fair. What? The contract doesn't mean anything? It doesn't. No, once the season starts, they're going to play the better player. And anyone who's seeing Ryan Matthews the past two years, I don't know how you would doubt that he's going to mix in. I mean, he's a really good running back. I love Ryan Matthews, but I disagree that contract terms and where you're drafted doesn't have a big impact on the rope that you're going to get. I think DeMarco Murray, they see as a guy who's durable that can take a lot of carries. That's what they see from last year,

that they believe that he's a guy that can take a lot of carries and they paid him for it. I think they signed both of these guys and to go with Darren Sproul's, the one part about this article is that they are definitely going to be a run-first team this year. They led the NFL in rushing two years ago, and that's what they want to get back to. Everything that Ian Rapport reported was they'd ever planned to sign both of them.

The idea was to sign Matthews. But they're there now, and Ryan Matthews is a really good running back. $21 million. guaranteed to DeMarco Murray on that contract, including a $5 million signing bonus in three. He's getting paid like $9 million. Well, we need to back the truck up then with his Chip Kelly as a genius if he's adding players for millions of dollars because he doesn't want that person to feel bad. Because number one, you're not really doing a service to Ryan Matthews if you're not letting him get a job somewhere else

where he would have started if he's going to just play 15% of the snaps. They wanted to be an upstanding organization. organization they said go go check out see if you can get anything better we had this offer for you we're not going to pull it from you now that things have changed he went and made it very clear he was looking elsewhere he kind of threw the raiders out there hey can anyone top this raiders out no one really good came calling and he said well i guess they are well i just think it will see more from matthews than people initially thought it didn't surprise me in the least if ryan matthews rushes for more yards than demarko murray this year i'm not saying it's going to happen

i'm not saying that it's likely to happen but it wouldn't surprise me ryan matthews if we had this conversation last May or last June, you would have thought that Ryan Matthews probably rushes for more yards than DeMarg and Merrick. And they're both guys that have had serious injury issues in their past. So to me, yeah, maybe the Eagles did well by sticking to their word and still paying. But at the same time, it makes plenty of sense. They're similar type of runners. So maybe that's a little strange. But at the same time, we get two guys that maybe could, would be better off, you know, having 200 carries apiece. It wouldn't surprise me if Murray is the lead guy for five or six games. He gets dinged up. Then

Matthews is the lead guy for two or three. They're going to need both. He gets dinged up, and then you're back to Murray, and they kind of flip-flop like that. All right, let's move on to Tennessee. Marcus Marriota, the number two overall pick in the draft, and a lot was made of the offense he came out of in college at Oregon where there wasn't, you know, under center work. And, you know, I remember Mike Mayock consistently pounding the table,

talking about how that was something that was going to be an issue in his development. Well, it sounds like the Tennessee Titans are going to go down a route where Mariotta won't be under center a lot. This according to the quarterback's coach, James John McNulty, who told the Tennessean, I think you're in the gun a little more now anyway. The under center gives you a little more threat of the run

and play action and to push the ball down the field type of thing. By the way things go with a pass rush, you are in the gun a big part of the time. So this makes sense to me, especially if you're going to make this guy a first year starter and put him right in the line of which seems to me It's not a great situation for a player like this. But if that's what they're going to do,

they're going to have to tailor to what he's good at, to start at least, right? I thought it was funny reading the article from the Tennessean where McNulty is talking about this, and he's hyping up how much they're going to use the shotgun. And he says, ah, maybe a little bit over 50% of the time. They used the shotgun 65% of the time last year, which was one of the highest rates in the league. There's no way they're going downing usage.

I wrote about this a couple weeks ago that they studied, not only Oregon's offense, but Miami Dolphins, Philadelphia Eagles, and a little bit of the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals use a lot of the concepts that Andy Dalton used at TCU in a spread attack. So to me, they're going spread, and it reminds me a little bit of what the Redskins had, RG3's rookie year, where they kind of didn't let on to the rest of the league what their plans were. And I think that McNulty might be downplaying a little bit, just how much they're going to use the shotgun. I think they're going to use it pretty much as their base offense. Do you trust Ken Wisenhunt of the generally compared to the rest of the other head coaches in the league to take a guy like Marriota out of Oregon and build an offense around it?

He's been wedded to the same type of offense for so long. I just wonder they have to do it, so he's going to have to try. I feel like that's a narrative that we've kind of swallowed hole, that Wisenhunt isn't creative and he can't develop young guys. Well, has he? He can't develop Max Hull and John Skelton. well all right but i mean i don't know if i don't mean i don't know if that means he can't develop marcus marriota that's fair i mean i just think there's not a lot of proof that he's the guy you want doing that i would say that wizard hunt is in one of the toughest positions of any coach entering entering the

season he's already he's been there two years now correct or has it been one no that was well one this was his first year so he can't come it feels like 10 feels like 10 years but it's a really bad first season uh with an uh ownership that's going to want to see some results in year two but if you have a young quarterback that's making a ton of mistakes, you could be in trouble. You could put Levy Smith in a similar category, so we'll see how that plays out. This whole storyline really doesn't make sense anymore in the NFL

because of the increased use of shotgun. It's not just that the 65% is a crazy number. I was just looking it up. The league was at 58% last year of shotgun snaps. I mean, that's what it is. It's not going behind center anymore. As recently as 2005, teams had never gone above 15%, or the league had never gone above 15%.

And now they're just, every team does it. So it's turning into college. That's what it should do. If you had read my Ohio River offense. I know. That would be in there. Well, I wanted to go find that stat. I knew it was somewhere, but it's, you know, 4,000 words.

It's tough you didn't know where to go get it. Of course I did. It's a great job. I wasn't here when it came out. Everyone should read it. In 2004, I believe teams were only using shotgun 15% of their snaps. So it's gone up 26 out of 32 teams last year, brand shotgun on more than 50% of their snaps.

It's crazy. And they have to. This goes back to our quarterback conversation with giving Cam Newton the money that, okay, our quarterback's coming after them that are going to be any better. The NFL is going to have to change their offenses to fit what these quarterbacks can do. By the way, John McNulty made me think of James McNulty from the Wire. Jimmy. Oh, yeah, yeah.

My favorite Wire character. Really? Yeah. And everybody goes with Omar. They always go straight to Omar and great character. DeAngela Barksdale. I like how Bubbles called him McNutty. Bubbles is a great one.

Do you have a favorite character, Greg? I don't think I have a favorite in particular. I think I like Stringer. I never looked at it like a sporting team. Really? You like Stringer. I like Stringer. It says a lot about the man what his favorite wire character is. I think Mark would like McNulty.

I don't know if you've seen the series. Well, what does it say about me if I've never watched an episode? We should move up. I think Bunk is probably my favorite just because you're happy. You're happy to see him. I agree with the boss. Moving on, let's talk about Marvin Lewis, the Cincinnati Bengals head coach, who has some issues with the new PAT rule that changes the extra point from a 20-yarder

to a what is now a 32 or 33-yarder depending on the spot. Marvin believes that that will hurt the teams in the cold weather AFC North. I've not been for it, said Lewis, according to the Cincinnati, inquire. Nothing was wrong with what we had in this division. It makes a big difference, a huge difference. It's a disadvantage of our division for our division because we are playing in it all the time. Come on, Mark. Well, no, there is a stat in the piece where road kickers, teams that come into AFC North stadiums from that extra point distance, are hitting kicks at about 85%, which is far below, you know, the normal that teams are kidding in domes and other things. So

statistically, he has a point. I mean, the bottom line is, it doesn't matter you have to adapt now. You know, Billy Cundiff lost a couple games for the Browns last year on what would have been kicks right around that extra point range. Well, Billy Cunduff is terrible. Exactly, but you've got to go out. You can't, you can't deprioritize that position if that's going to be an issue for you. I feel a little stupid because isn't any team that Marvin Lewis is playing? playing on that same field No, but he's saying Well, yes, he's saying

Road teams. What's his point? It's, dude. I mean, what is the unhappy about? His point is that if you're one of these teams that ends up, unlike maybe the Chargers or a West Coast team,

and you play the bulk of the second half of your season in crap weather, that range is not as easy to hit as it would be in a dome or one weather. Yeah, but the other team is in it. I mean, that's the autumn. It's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

It's not, Greg. The stat points out that the home kickers are doing fine. It's the road kickers that are getting relaxed. So it helps Marvin Lewis. Yeah, but he's on the road half the time, too, in Pittsburgh and Cleveland, another cold weather state. I'm not saying it's a rock-solid argument, but that's what he's pointing to. By the way, some journoe probably asked him the question he had to spit something out. Right?

Give me a break. Probably. No, he is, he's on the competition committee. I think he's fired up about this. He thinks it's a stupid rule. Wasn't the point of the rule. to make sure that it's not 100% and maybe it is closer to 85 or 90%.

Well, I like when Chip Kelly says he doesn't like the rule, and it's like, oh, yeah. Chip doesn't like the rule. But when Marvin Lewis doesn't like it, basically his gist was, it doesn't make me want to go for two points either. Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. We've been through this well.

I just don't get his point. Yeah, I struggle around. But in general, they tried to get people to change the game and go for two, right? Wasn't that the gist? And everyone is saying that no one, that nothing's changed. We're not going to go for two more.

Including Marvin Lewis. Like his logic when you read it, what have we incentivized to go for it? These two-point plays work less than 50% of the time. It's the same sort of scaredy-cat logic that Marvin Lewis coaches with during games that he's afraid to do anything. But Chip Kelly said the same thing.

Have some guts. Viking Special Teams coordinator. Mike Pryfer? Prefer? In his press conference today said that there will be teams that lose games this season because of the extra point, which to me immediately, and he said it will make it more exciting.

Number one, it won't make it more excited. It will make it more frustrating for a football fan when you lose a goddamn game because your kicker couldn't hit a 32-yard extra point. That's why I don't like the rule. You gave the kickers more power to control the outcomes of games and you didn't make the two-point conversion easier and incentivize that.

They messed the whole thing up. This is going to be just like the overtime debate that was raging in 2012, I believe it was? Raging. It really was. I mean, it definitely had a lot more buzz and controversy than this extra point one did. We're the only one stoke in this fire. What else are going to talk about?

By the only, by the time the season came along, everyone's like, oh, yeah, it doesn't really matter at all. It might affect one. Let it be on record that when we talked about the narratives that we're not buying. I said that no one's going to be going to two. Shiff, the genius agreed with me. I hear, my point is it's not going to have a big impact in the game. I think we all agree. Well, not for your Patriots.

But I think Prefer is probably right. A couple of these boneheads are going to miss kicks. They're going to cost games. Is Prefer the guy who's no longer on Chris Cluey's Christmas card? Yes. That's right. That's right. I knew it was a familiar name.

All right. They'll stay in the AFC North finally. Mark, you know, I know you're a big sports fan outside the NFL. You like to all the different professional sports. NBA finals starting Thursday. And on the Brown's website, they have a story up. Brown's, this is the headline. Brown's feeding off Cavs Energy in their.

corner as NBA finals begin. Is that right? I pointed it out to Dan because it's got it had a ridiculous image of Joe Thomas high-fiving someone about the calves, but then you realize he's high-fiving someone in a batter's helmet from a baseball game. So like the editor, it's just a, I don't know what it's like, give me any picture of Thomas celebrating outside the locker room. It's like, but he's high-fying a guy to baseball.

It doesn't matter. Well, it's a city that hasn't won a championship in, what, 51 years? they said could you possibly cut them a break it's been the most amount of seasons for any city aggregate if you add up the different sports it was a hundred ninety three scenes but there is one city that's been in a longer title drought by one year can you guys guess that from our research belize san diego minnesota and yet dan hansis thinks the chargers fans have it good they're insane i never said they've experienced a lot of pain i have never said that you know i love the chargers and if we had the sound drop, I'd sing the song right now,

but I don't know if we do. Do we have a piano, San Diego sound drop? Superchargers? Yeah. You were pushing hard on the, on Sean there. Yeah. There's actual smoke coming out of shot the year. And the listeners, I get a lot of tweets about this.

If you have it, it'll be huge. And if you don't have it, geez, this is a tough spot. Why didn't you send me an email? Sometimes these things happen naturally. He's crumbling. These things happen. Because I said me. Because I'm going through a.

soundboard that I have not organized. Either we'll come back to it or cut this all part out. It's crazy. Please. All right. Here we go.

Yeah. Anyway. Charlie Day's handwriting. Can I ask a serious question mark before we move on to the trope talk? Because in all honesty, you don't really have a lot of serious sports interests outside the Browns, professionally anyway.

Well, enough time. Okay. No, no. This is not a shot. Yeah. Is there a part of you deep down that wants the cabs and the Indians to lose? because you want the Browns to be that team that finally breaks the slump

in Cleveland. Well, that's a fair question. I think 15 years ago I would have said absolutely, let it be Cleveland. I still think it's a football town no matter what you tell me. Let the Browns be the one to break the streak. But come on, for that city and those people and whoever follows all three of those teams, at this point

any one of them wins it and I'm happy for the city. And maybe it, you know, maybe it takes a little bit of the bad energy of what's going on out there off. You're siphon that energy in. An older, an older softer, Sessler. You've gotten sentimental of age. You're kind to the children of Cleveland.

Shouldn't it be noted? I mean, it's not. A lot of these people aren't alive anymore, but the Browns went to 10 straight championship games at one point. Yeah, when you were like negative 30 years old. Right, but it did happen. Well, I agree, and most people don't realize. Most Ravens fans that I've talked to who are 20

don't even know that they were once to Cleveland Brown. That's the same thing. It still doesn't add up to these guys. San Diego Supercharges San Diego Supercharges Is that Bono in there? Oh, good.

Wow. I've seen Bono a lot the last week. Sounds more like the village people. It is. Yeah, but, yeah. No, it could be. I have no idea who it is, but... I wish Dan took his goals for the year as seriously

singing that song. Dan definitely taking some notes. at the U2 concert. Sully, great job. Thank you. I did some digging. All right. Where were we?

Isn't it actually on TD that he's created a soundboard grid that no one can decipher? And while we're on the topic, I thought of an idea for TD. I'm going to use a code word in each show that he's missing to make sure he's listening because he should be listening even though he's in Nigeria. And he'll tweet me if he's actually listening. Here's today's magic word or code word. It's actually three words. Ed Begley Jr.

He tweets that to me. I know he listened. Ed Begley. Where we were was you were about to chastise an entire generation of human beings. Oh, no. We're having no concern whatsoever for anything that happened before. No, and I totally get that West. And I know you're a big-time historian, and I love the history of all sports.

But I will say that, like, when someone comes to me as a Jets fan, is like, oh, you can't say anything. You won the Super Bowl in 1969. It's like, I mean, that's 45 years ago, and I wasn't even alive. So don't, like, say that makes my fan experience. it's easier because it doesn't. I like that there's this kind of pride in how much suffering we've all had. Well, no, for certain teams, that's all you have to cling on to. I never knew that was such a thing.

I would think, well, of course you wouldn't. Yeah, exactly. Well, the Patriots used to be bad. Well, you were like 12. This is essentially the reason why the fan paying rankings from Dan Hansis are coming out later this summer. That's what's called a tease, maybe in about a month's time, coming down to. The seven franchises that have experienced the most... I'm doing a lot of research, and I'll tell you what,

any one of these teams really could probably make a case. I could make a very strong case for the Bengals. Who, you know, without, you know, spoiler alert, they probably made the list. I don't know if they did or not. It would be a crazy list if they didn't make the top set. I'm going to go as far as saying, Greg, your team missed the list. But there's a good chance the three teams represented by Mark, myself,

and at least Wes formerly are going to make the top seven, which maybe gives our podcast some of us underdog charm. I don't know. I think so. We've had nothing else to cling on to it. The Yin to the Yang, and then you have Greg on his throne of ease. I'm enjoying it. All right.

Remember that? He actually leans back in his chair while he's on the throne of ease. That's what's happening. Ed Begley Jr. That was good times at the Super Bowl. Where was that Super Bowl? Arizona. It is so early June.

So ugly. Doesn't even know where he was. All right, let's go through some of these off-season tropes. And again, as I said at the top of the show, these are hyper-familiar storylines that will pop up every single year if you follow the NFL world closely. It will be different teams and different players and different coaches uttering these or getting behind these storylines,

but they're always going to show up. It's just the nature of the game. So let's go down the list. Some are the ones that I wrote in a piece last year, but some we came up with some today, some new ones that we've seen, and maybe we'll connect the dots and some storylines that are going on right now.

We'll start with the offense has never been faster. I don't know if we've seen that one yet, but it's out there usually. Stop me when you want to delve into one. Player X, colon, I've never played with someone quite like Player Y. that pops up a lot. Curtis Lofting yesterday about Khalil Mack, he's a monster.

There you go. Injury prone player X bulked up in offseason. Oh, that's the number one. No, well, it's bulk up or I lost win. Or I've never felt healthier in my life. Everything that went wrong last season, well, we're good now.

There's no way that could happen again because it's May and I'm healthy. Right, look out this guy who was an absolute travesty last autumn has gained eight pounds. Player X. I haven't been this healthy in years. Player X is better now than before series injury. That you see a lot of you.

There's a lot of that. I'm faster than I was before. It's like, dude, you blew out your knee and you're a year older. Unless you're Adrian Peterson. You're probably not better. Probably not. I hope you are. Or you are in June, but then the game starts and all this melts into nonsense.

Or you're going to be suspended for violating the league's performance in Nancy. Which happens too. Who is the guy that showed up? Everyone. His shoulder pads were pumped up. It was reported. Oh, you know, the guy in Dionne Jordan, remember last year? Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's right. Yeah, he looks like he took an air pump to his shoulders. That's a great. Oh, yeah, he pretty much did. Coach X, we're extremely impressed by Camp Body Y, faded Vet Z. So, you know, they bring in somebody. It's usually some wide receiver who hasn't been good in six years. Well, it's tricky.

Or Darren McFadden. Or a seventh round pick, and everyone's like, oh, this guy, what a steel. Wow, we found something special here. Actually, this guy is usually Theo Riddick. Right. It's always It's Reggie Bush. It's because you have three newspapers writing three stories a day for all of training camp

and you've got to write something. It's kind of like in Green Bay this offscenes. Who's the most written about player? It's probably Jeff Janice. They just love Jeff Janice. Like, oh, forget about Jordy Nelson or whatever. Janus has taken over. There's also been like 50

stories about how Brian Bulagas stands. in Green Bay is brought much calm to the line. Of course. It's like, all right, well, okay, that's cool. Player X, unsure if he will attend minicamp, Mo Wilkinson is one guy that stands out this year. Here's two different type of headlines that are similar. Middling Team X will shock the world,

or Player X guarantees Super Bowl trip. We had one of those recently. Byron Maxwell of the Eagles guaranteed Super Bowl. Speaking of Byron Maxwell, cornerback on cornerback crime, always can count out. This is my pet peeve, like the last three years I've noticed. And Greg made the point this is probably unique to this era. And it might end in five years.

Well, we won't even remember it. But the obnoxious Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Antonio Carmardi, this quarterback doesn't travel. This quarterback doesn't shut wide receivers down. This guy's not a true luck. Shut up. Just shut up. Well, the problem is, and this is probably anyone attached to me to anywhere, is that these stories do better on websites than your actual academic look into someone's offense that no one reads.

Why is, well, Antonio Cromarty said Sherman is a product of the system. Well, that's ridiculous. Why is he so concerned about that? But how come it doesn't happen to other positions? Well, did it not? Was it not wide receivers? You never hear Josh sitting. Hey, Marshall Yonda.

Nope. Sorry, buddy. You're a bum. Or you never hear, you know, Navarra Bowman. It's like, that Luke Keeckley, he's no longer number one. inside linebacker. There's a new bowman in town. I think it might be a Sherman invention, though, because

he was the guy that went chirping the most. This is even before they started winning Super Bowls, and I think that rubbed a lot of guys around the league the wrong way because he does play that system that may be a guy like Patrick Peterson or Dorel Revis don't

play, which is where you're kind of in his own, you're getting safety help, but it does happen constantly now. Every six months or so. Isn't there a period where you could not get a group of five or six wide receivers to stop talking and often about each other? The heyday of Rainey Moss and T.O. They were known as the diva position, and now it feels like it's cornerback. But you're right.

They do well, especially on social media. Nothing puts a step in our guy Goose, Bryce Guston's step, like cornerback on cornerback heat. That's our social media coordinator, also the recipient of the commissioners award best rookie of the year last year at the NFL. Well, he's tailed off in year two, though, so that would be more slump. Yeah, hey, the way, the rain's coming to an end in a couple weeks. Enjoy it, pal. Running back by committee stories are very popular this time of year. We just talked about one earlier today in Philadelphia.

How about Player X has mastered the fundamentals, and it allows his natural talent to shine through, which is a sister of Coach X, colon, Player Y understands playbook now, which is always very insulting to the player. Cordero Patterson. That's him. It's a lot. It's always these articles that are written with clarity that completely explain, oh, this is why things happen last year. It's kind of like even that Broncos writer saying, oh, it's good now that Kubiak's here to change the culture that wasn't, you know, too good under John Fitton.

How come no one was writing about that at the time? No one was writing Cordell Patterson, you know, do it at the time. I'm sure we were. All right. Dan wrote one second. Norv Turner rips on Cordero Patterson's route running. Yeah, remember that. All right, how about this?

Sorry, Greg. The worst point I've ever made. No, I think you're right about the Broncos point. I'll see you guys later. Valuable skill player X wants to return punts. One of my least favorite ones. It's like Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas.

Des Bryant. Yep, Des Bryant. Someone else came up this week. Always volunteering to be that guy. Maybe you should sit that out. It's basically a bunch of 230-pound mountain men firing themselves out of a cannon at you. I feel like that is just like freak out your fan base. Right.

Like, oh, let's put Earl Thomas as our punt return. You've got a bunch of guys that aren't starting to take these roles. Or you take your third wide receiver or someone. You don't put Earl Thomas back there. It's a great sign of how popular the NFL is minutia like that. Hey, Bryant took four punt returns at a practice where there's no tackling in August. And like, that's going to be a big story. Right.

If you knew the inside story, it might be Jason Garrett in the back of his mind needs a guy in an emergency scenario of four other guys get assassinated. It's never going to happen. Yeah, no one gets assassinated in Dallas. It brings me too much. I'm not, Wes isn't the only historian person in the room? Drop the hammer. Wow.

Moment of silence. I was going to say, that brings me to my least favorite part of last week. The whole sky is falling because Eric Fisher took a few snaps with the second team. left tackle. Right. And it turns out, Andy Reid just wanted to get Donald Stevens in a few snaps in case something Fisher, something happens to Fisher. That feels like a shot at Greg, too, because I think Greg wrote the post about it.

No, we never did again. We decided not to do it because we decided it was stupid. Yeah, we kind of found out the real story, and we didn't take it and run with it like other sides did. Scott is still trying to recover from what happened a few minutes ago. I shouldn't even talk about it more because we might have to have our first political edit of the podcast. We're never getting invited to the White House now. Oh, this one kind of connected with the playbook. Teammate X, teammate Y, more focused this year.

I like focus. Like, this player is more focused now. That's a real shot on what he was last year. I like to call that the Justin Gilbert Award. He's trying hard now. It'll be fine. He's plugged in. He's attending meetings awake.

Is part of Joe Thomas's job, by the way, in addition to cheering on the calves, making some type of grant statement about each of his teammates, on the Browns. It seems like it. Well, you got to, again, you've got to go back to the writers because it's like that's who they go to who's a nice guy who's probably at this point agitated enough

to say something honest. It's the only member of the Browns anyone really respects the year after years, Joe Thomas that you want to hear from him. It's pretty much true. Speaking of your friend Gilbert, Mark, player X, I'm not a bust. Who said that?

Eric E. E. Brown just said. Oh, really? D. Milner said it. There's a lot of them. Well, and part of the truth. The trope He was the best quarterback in the NFL. Well, and part of the trope with that one is usually it starts with some sort of counterattack on Twitter towards fans.

Isn't that what Ibron did? Didn't he go back at people on Twitter this week? I'm not the boss. All right. If I was a professional athlete, I would not have a Twitter account. Nothing good can come of that. No. Next up, LaShawn McCoy calls people racist.

That's a trope? Yeah, year after year. Year after year. I think LaShawn McCoy loses his mind. on social media or with reporters year after year, yeah. Remember is O.C. Um and Europe beef? Right, which was multiple summers. So are we in a better place

now? We're not, but that was very tedious in its own right. If you guys didn't see the clip that are, that's listening of LaShawn McCoy going at the Buffalo reporters, it's, it's, it's uncomfortable. I'm surprised it didn't go more viral or anything. Look it up on NFL.com. It was really

uncomfortable and I really wanted one Bill's writer to just like ask one more question about Chip Kelly just to do. By the way, bully to the Buffalo writers because they should have went at him the way they did. They could even went harder, to be honest. They were asking normal questions. And they were and they were dogged about it. It reminded me of Doug Marone when he first took the job.

Remember when he had a really terse exchange early on? Well, and it was when Mario Williams got hurt and he went back at them saying, he doesn't have the details, leave me alone. And it was like, wait, this guy's got a little bit of an edge to him. What about Western New York sports journals? That interviewer. Greg's referencing was like, For me, that was kind of an epiphany on why sportswriters,

especially grizzled sports writers after a few years in the business, just have no respect for professional athletes. Because LaShawn McCoy treated them like something he would have picked off the bottom of his shoe. I thought you were going to say it was a perfect example of why the Eagles traded LaShawn McCoy. You could tell, by the way, LaShawn McCoy was acting that he thought that everyone in this vicinity was so far beneath him, that they weren't worthy of his time. All right. How about this one?

Did I do player X? I'm not the bust. Yes, we just talked. I'm not the boss. Yes, that's a minute ago. You can make me a boss, but I'm not a boss. Team X excited about rugby slash basketball slash villain the black star who'll, you know, probably be cut in August. Right.

The guy I was thinking of was Eric Swope of the Colts, but you've got... Be careful with the Niners guy because we have a lot of listeners that are plugged in on this. I actually think Jared Hayne will make the 49ers roster, but the other guy, the Olympian, guy from the 49ers. What's his name? Acoier. Lawrence Acoier? Yeah, he's been on... Blojo? The practice squad. I don't know if the Olympics do well. Yeah, I saw an article from him like two weeks

ago saying, you know, he's going to fill the void of Justin Smith. Well, how about you make the team first? Well, I think I wrote at least 12 Jeff Demp's articles for NFL.com Oh, Dempso? There's a lot of ex-basketball player once. That was really it for a couple a year for about six or seven years. Wasn't there guy from Duke for a while? Either way.

You've got Darren Fells from the Cardinals? There's a couple of games. I never really understood Jeff Demp's career decisions because he definitely prioritized the track end of things in the Olympics. And then he was like, well, I want to moonlight in a side career where I could have a decent chance of suffering a catastrophic knee injury. Well, and he's showing up in late August after his track season's over.

How much can you earn in track in a non-Olympic year? That's fair. But you've got to make a choice. That's what I'm saying. I doubt you can earn much. It's like the extra point two-point conversion thing if you want to get back on that. Half measures, never do anybody any good.

That's how the Patriots got Legerad Blunt. So Greg, you found the whole thing to be intriguing. That's true. The first time around, and I'm just glad we got some closure on Jeff Demps. Oh, Dempso. We just gave him a little run. That's true. Never again.

And finally, aging quarterback X. I can play well into my 40s. Oh, yeah. Drew Breeze this year. Romo says him and he and Witten want to play another five years. I think Tom Brady, famously said that he wants to play into his 40s. Let me, there's a heads up. Probably not going to happen.

Probably going to get crappy. Right around 38 or 39, you're going to fall off a cliff. You're going to start getting hurt a lot. You're going to get shabby. Peyton Manning, 39. Yeah, very close. And, you know, not to disturb the throne of ease, Tom Brady, 38. These guys, they're going to get crappy because that's how human beings work.

I don't care what the science is. Farve was 41? He got up there. Forty-two, maybe? I know, Cessler doesn't think. What was his good Vikings here? I think he was... He was 40.

The very top ceiling to me. I would be stunned if you see anyone else. 107 passer rating, 33 to 7 TD to interception ratio at age 40. And then age 41 was his falloff year. Greg. Clock sticking, baby. He just won the Super Bowl. It was awesome.

Did you see that? I didn't think they'd win. Where did it take place? I'm happy. Arizona. It's hard to remember Arizona, Tampa. It's hard to keep track of all these Super Bowl wins. Well, not that as much.

Sully, we need a throne of eavesdrop. What's going on? A lot of Patriots talk over here. By the time Brady retires, his son will be drafted in the seventh round, six round, and he'll go right on. The Moina and son or the... I don't know, one of them. The best of the three will become a Patriot and take you for the next 20 years.

It'll be a Brett Farb's Aaron Rogers like handoff. Arizona, a great place for a Super Bowl or a fine place, but let's be honest. It's not a memorable. place. That's all I'm saying. No, no. Nice people and nice city, but still New Orleans is head and shoulders above any other Super Bowl city. Just lost all of our Arizona listeners. All right, so those are the tropes. Real quick, entourage update, Greg, you're in good

shape. We, Greg really, you know, he didn't really hang any onion and I still took him anyway, because I wanted to further along the podcast and have some fun. So I gave him three days, not including Saturday. Sunday gate, which I'm not happy, for the entourage movie to make $25 million. It's off to a relatively slow start. I think it's made $7 million. No, 5.4, but that also included Tuesday night they had. You better believe I'm taking the Tuesday night, too.

I know, but that's fine. It's not going to matter. The good thing is, you always like to move the goalposts on bets after the goalposts. After the fact, say, oh, yeah, well, I didn't really want this or this or that, you know. Let me speak. It's not going to matter. number is going to be low enough that no matter what

the equation was, I would have won it. Because I think it's going to end up about 25 or 5 days. I would like to now use this just one second to talk to all the bros. Hey guys, I need you to go to this movie. Finish watching this and

then go to the local multiplex and watch Entourage. It's going to be a great movie, but before Saturday. You need the bros to buy the 18 sandwiches you owe this room right now. Don't bring your girlfriends because that movie has no respect for that half of the population. Well, that was, when you talk about moving the goal pose,

I'm okay buying a sandwich here because I don't want that movie to do well. Finally, let's go to the mailbag. It's going to be exciting to go through this mailbag because, give me one second, I'm Philibustering, because it's a great time. All right, here we go. It's a great time. We'll start with Graham Hackney. at G. Hackney, 78.

Aside from QBs, which one player's absence would have the biggest negative impact on any team? One non-quarterback that would absolutely decimate a team to the point where, you know, there are three or four-win team or something. Or they're a six-win team that wins one or two games. This is basically Damasek's Jenga theory. Yes. Is his Jenga theory not? not include QBs?

He tries to take QBs out of it. Okay. We've seen this happen a number of times. The Patriots have been a much worse team without Gronk. The Texans haven't done well without Arian Foster. I think Marshaun Lynch would hurt Seattle big time if he were going. The year Julio Jones went down, the Falcons couldn't do anything. Well, we can do defensive players, right?

Yep. And J.J. Watt is kind of the obvious. Here's a weird thing. They went 2 and 14 with him once. but what they're going to not win seven games or something I mean that's it's like because Matt Schaubb was throwing a pick six every other time he dropped back I'm just saying he's the best player in the league

in my opinion non-quarterback how about we'll throw this one out Wes there's got to be a candidate here Wes you'll like this one Odell Beckham of course we talked about this in the newsroom today Greg was shocked that I thought that outside of JJ Watt Odell Beckham is the best non-quarterback in the NFL All right next up this is from

statement I don't know how you can get better than unstoppable. At Rulers, Philly. By the way, one thing with O'Dell, he's got the sore hamstring now, one thing to keep an eye on is his health. Can he stay healthy? I would bring him back in week five every season. All right, this is from At Rulers, Philly.

What Eagles wide receiver do you think will have the most receiving yards this year? All right, here's the depth chart, as a reminder. Jordan Matthews, Nelson Aguilar, their first round pick, Josh Huff, John Harris. You want to get excited about him. Miles Austin. Riley Cooper is in there. You can throw in Zach Ertz.

I mean, why not? It says receiver. He's a receiver. I think it's Jordan Matthews easily. I'd agree with Matthews. I mean, maybe Aguilar has a dark horse, but that's tough for a rookie last year? Yep, he was around. I think he'd do better this year.

I think they're going to move him around. I like Aguilar. I think he might lead all rookie receivers in yards. Have you ever seen him play? They've been watching them at OTAs, moving nicely, getting him good buzz. This year's Bishop Sanky. No, I like everything I've read and all the things. That's exactly what you were saying about Bishop Sanky.

The characteristics of him. He's certainly much more highly thought of than Jordan Matthews was coming out of college. I think he's got more of a bigger skill set by all accounts. They're going to run the ball. Aguilar. All right. You can't have an opinion on a rookie? You were telling me how great the.

Panthers wide receivers were the other day because of Devin Funchis, who's a 4-7 200. Actually, I didn't say because of Devin Funches. You said he was one of the... You think Calvin Benjamin is not very good. That was what our debate was. Moving on Caleb Searly at K underscore Searly

87. Mark, that probably means he was born in 1987. Yeah, or he's an older person that committed a heinous crime in 87 and has been on the run since then. Or hiding out. A high school football player plays wide receiver and where's number 87. All right, so it really could go any direction.

What would you consider a success for Marcus Marriota's rookie season with the Tennessee Titans? Excuse me, Titans. It's a tough thing to measure. I would measure it by do I want to watch them on game rewind on a weekly basis because I haven't wanted to watch the Titans in about three or four, maybe five years. I'll throw out some tangible stats. 16 starts, 3,000 yards passing, 400 yards rushing.

20 total touchdowns Well, I'll go closer to Chris's Where it's if you're gonna start week one You stay on your feet and you last 16 games You don't get benched, you don't get hurt in week four You're dependable You show you can be that guy and you improve I don't really the stats side of it

What's 3,000 yards anymore I mean that doesn't really Yeah I'm setting a low floor for him Play wire to wire and give that team some hope I think that's pretty much Mine would be it to see if Chris Wesseling likes to watch him Game Rewan.

I'm glad you're invested. Ken Wisenhunt, if he's still the Titans coach next year, that would probably be a good sign. He won't be. This one from David Ely, our downstairs news editor, trusted news editor, his Twitter game, a little up and down, can be honest with you. But in this case, good mailbag question. What's more believable, Emma Stone as a Hawaiian, or the plot of San Andreas? Now, Wes, I'll fill you in.

I don't know if you're up to date on summer movies. Emma Stone is, and Mark, you have a good insight in this. You saw the film Aloha, the new Cameron Crow vehicle. She plays a quarter Hawaiian woman, and it's come under fire in the internet because she's the whitest girl alive just about. Military people have babies in Hawaii all the time. That's true. I mean, Mark, your take.

Well, I mean, the answer to someone can be Hawaiian. Right. you're looking more, or Ely is looking more from an ethnic standpoint. What's more believable? Well, the question is, what's more believable? The plot of San Andreas, I don't really know. Well, considering that the plot of San Andreas is... Native Hawaiian, I should say.

The plot of San Andreas is impossible. California cannot have an earthquake of the magnitude that is the plot. West is correct. That is the right answer. Plus, you never know. I've got two children right now. They're both half Japanese. One of them looks like it's half Japanese.

My son right now just looks like a white guy. Like, you wouldn't know. He looks like a white. Just looks like a young one guy. So I'm going stone, more realistic. Yeah. Are you offended, Greg, that they would cast Emma Stone instead of, let's say, Olivia Munn? I don't know much about this topic.

Okay. We keep moving, Ely. I don't know. Bit of a batting practice fastball. Not a lot of zing there. This from Bobby Wilcox at Bobby Wilcox. Oh, yeah, this one bothered me a little bit. Speaking of tropes, why don't QBs sign team-friendly contracts to help win Super Bowls?

Brady has four rings. The only recent mega-money quarterback to win the Super Bowl is Eli. Everybody's got to calm down about the Tom Brady thing. He made more money when they restructured it, and it's all in the first three years, and Tommy Boy did just okay. They cooked the books, and that's it, but it made it look like he took a lot less money. Come on, let's be fair. That's not entirely true.

Peyton Manning gets buried, and they're all business. Okay. Okay. But did he still take home more money than he's supposed? In the initial years, but the final years of his contract are wildly low. He got a lot of credit. But they're going to redo the contract if he keeps playing. That's probably. Well, how about this? Every quarterback that's worth their salt is taking a team-friendly deal because you look at what players are getting paid in baseball,

some schmo hitting 2-10 is making more than Tom Brady. So it's ridiculous. All quarterbacks are underpaid. I think the answer is that because nobody wants to take more money for doing their job well or less money for doing their job well everybody wants to make what they can and you have a support system around you have managers agents not you can't be a renegade and then take a massive pay i don't like that question because it always seems to go back to a dig on patent manning and i've always found that to be unfair because he has not cost the broncos a chance to win the super bowl he has made that organization a ton of money and that public pressure from it might have ended up helping the broncos make them take that pay cut to me that's one of the more underrated surprising stories of this entire off season that Manning took a pretty large Don't underestimate the union in this too. They do not like stars taking less money because it upsets the pay scale for the other

players. This from Patrick Cordyback, the Cordyback. I like that. More ridiculous, Gil Brant's Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers' comparison. Oh, that's not nice. Or Peter King's power rankings. And let's unpack this a little bit. Gilbrand, who is, you know, the podfather, said that, like, what did I said?

I can't concentrate. Sully's, like, cracking up. It's great. It's great. You know, having Sean back there, we got someone that actually listens to the show. It's like an actual dance party back there. It's a live studio audience. He's been cracking up the whole time.

Yeah, no, I'm serious. Dan's been cracking me up the whole show. Oh, good. MVP. Oh, there we go. It's already settled. But I will say, what is that about? It's a little, it's the little.

comments that you throw behind oh well thanks your intro sally i love you but i gotta say that the only person that can handle the MVP is td yeah that i i admit it on twitter yeah that i have an asterisk next to all my oh okay oh because then t d said on twitter that he doesn't even accept that you were saying the asteris

oh well yeah that's well you're giving it to dan i agree with td anyway gil brant said that uh if you put cam newton in the green bay office offense. What was it? They wouldn't skip a beat? Was that what is a long? Something along those lines. And Peter King had the Vikings, I believe, number six in his power rankings to start the season. And the Chiefs at number four. And the Jaguars are two. Well, that's not true, but it was a pretty wild list. What's more ridiculous? Well, Gilbrandt, who. Greg's squirming in his seat. I don't know why. We're just talking,

you know, opinion over here. Gil Branden, who knows more about football than, you know, maybe the four of well or no combined is the godfather he made the point that cam newton's accuracy problems are overblown and it's usually the surrounding talent around him that's more of the problem which i think is just patently untrue i mean if you watch him he's got a scattershot arm it's very inconsistent uh on the other hand peter king's list i mean i'm surprised he put his name on that thing oh stop it's it's this is an easy one the gill comment to me is insane the packers would be so much wild and I'm a huge Cam Newton fan so much wildly worse whereas least in Peter King's case the NFL is a topsy-turvy unpredictable league every year

Chris Wesleyan the two of us sometimes go after all the writers for just being sheep and picking the same teams year after year and here's someone in a big spot that has a very original take so you know we shouldn't totally hear it. Peter King's record on analysis over the last decade you know what I'm saying well but I would I would say that Kings is less zany in the sense that it hasn't happened yet. And last year when we were doing our regs out of his chair. Well, we all had the cowboys in the bottom five. Most of us, if I'm not, we all, the cowboys buried, buried low. Some people had the redskins winning the division. We had nutty stuff going on, and we were wrong on a ton of things. We were right on some. So he's swinging for the fences. And you know what?

He did, here's where he's smart. He did something that was so bizarre compared to the other list that people are talking about it. I don't like what Mark points at me. It gets scary. I was going like that. I was like a long thing. I was like a lot. I was like a air traffic control. I was going like this. I mean, Gil's thing, I wouldn't, I don't agree with either of them, but Gil's been around.

Two more, two more. Good question by the Cordybeck. Yeah, I like that. A couple good questions. It started out a little weird because Greg was clearly uncomfortable, and I don't know why, but everything's strained out. Gil Brand is the godfather.

It would all due respect. There was all respect to Gil on it. Greg and Emma Stone have passed some ties. Let's just go there. This room, Saul, Saul, Moran. at fits 958 that's really all over the map most scarce position in this year's draft that i should prioritize now this is a fantasy question and i will say we'll do it again come august our fantasy uh football spectacular because you might do two this year all right why not because we got chris wessling

and gregg rosenthal all right i'll take those days off i don't think anybody's going to listen to me after i bagged on emmanuel sanders let listen don't let anybody know that but these two guys were really powerhouses of the old rhodo world site and you know so we got to take advantage of it so that will be coming up in August but for now let's answer this question most scarce position in this year's draft that I should

prioritize from Saur Maran who is also Fitsy I'm quickly checking but it's got to be running back as always well last year it was tight end tight end it's like how can it position

it was only Jimmy Graham really because Gronk was coming back from the ACL. He wasn't moving yet in training camp. But this year... And then dumb asses like myself prioritized Jordan Reed and get banged. How scarce can tight end be when... I don't know. I guess if there's one or two, then basically you're fine

if you just have one of the other guys that are just okay. I haven't studied at all, so I'd be speaking out of my ass to try to answer this question. All right, but in August you will be ready. Sure, if you tell me to be... Oh, yeah. I speak out of my ass. I can't wait for that show. Running back.

What a fun show. And finally, this from Richard Hunter. And his handles, not that Hunter. Is there another Richard Hunter that's very famous? Doesn't matter. Which concert would you rather go to? Delaware's comeback performance. Delaware, of course, Greg's former goth, emo band in New England.

Or clipboard Jesus' acoustic guitar debut, that is Charlie Whitehurst, of course. This one's easy. What do you think? Clifford Jesus can only play glycerine and pink houses. Why do I want to see that? I'd much rather see Delaware. I don't know what kind of concert you're drawing in for Delaware. Like how many tens or hundreds of people.

Just assume it's a very private club big, a very intimate setting. Assuming that they're going to play what the early 90, mid-90 got selection that Greg wrote four or five of those songs, it would be a look into who he was back then. I'd have to go Delaware. Yeah, I think that's the easy answer. or just to see Greg and to be able to make fun of him. I'll tell you what, I'm crazy. I went to three U2 shows in last week.

They're my favorite band, but I would give up the chance to see Bono ever again to see Greg on a stage with his other little Massachusetts friends belting out some love songs. Little Massachusetts. Why do you assume they're little? There's no love songs. There's no goth songs.

What are they like political songs? Was it like Morrissey? Or like goofball songs. Were you more like Weird Al? more like maybe like they might be giants or something well we like the idea that it's a goth band so it is that's important thing birdcaging your soul is that what

they might be yeah yeah Anna NG I thought you were like a classic naval gaser in terms of the or is it shoe gazer shoe gazer we're like uh yeah mix mixed between them and the dead milkman I would say maybe

all right listen we got to see this wasn't that a skateboarders band I don't know I'm just making And finally, if anyone, if you're listening right now and you were involved with that, Ben, or you have any footage, audio, video, or otherwise, the one guy reached out to me, I dropped the ball. Yeah, let's get in touch with him.

Well, stop holding out on us. All right, that's it for today's show. We'll be back. I think we do three shows next week. Let's try to do three shows next week. But we might do two. You're going to get some shows either way. That's all we can promise.

And we'll talk more football. This is Dan Hansis, signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the boss. Hey, O'Sully. Hey, oh. On the glass. And McGinnis. The Irish. Until next week.