NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Offseason Inner Monologues: 2022 Edition

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

A virtual room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all the latest news around the NFL, starting with Gronk's agent Drew Rosenhaus hinting at a potential mid-season return for Gronkowski (6:45) and then diving into Roger Goodell's testimony in front of Congress during a hearing on the alleged misconduct within the Washington Commanders' organization (9:45). The heroes remember Jaylon Ferguson and Tony Siragusa after a very sad day for the Baltimore Ravens organization (21:20). After the break, we dive into the minds of NFL figures around the league, sharing their inner monologues and revealing their plans, hopes, dreams, and fears for the upcoming NFL season (34:30). Note: timecodes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. The Around the NFL podcast. Nice rack, Dan. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL podcast. the NFL. My name is Dan Hansis and I come to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. How are we? Pretty rare that a money drop takes you

a back and after after 10 years it takes a lot. I haven't seen that expression on Dan's face where what's the origin story of that. Did money say nice rack? Yeah. There's often inside jokes that I don't remember that came up and I guess it's right um I feel like if that was directed at someone else that would be the end of the podcast but we're okay I don't know what it means I feel maybe an insult you know you got to get into you know training camp's going to start for everybody you know going to have to hit that peloton you're going to have to really start to zone in for week one maybe work on the rack Mark Mark's zoned in right now Dan I didn't take it as a bad comment about you. I think what I'm not sure what it was referring to. It was murky and

confusing. Well, let's just let it pass then. And we'll dig in and maybe fire Graver after the show. I don't have the power to remove Graver from the commissioner chair, excuse me the producer chair. I would get a three-fourths vote though. We could we could do that. It's another edition. Don't give Mark any ideas. Mark's like, finally, I outnumber, we outnumber them now. Welcome to the Thursday edition. I am still in Texas. the boys are still in California Greg is heading to Mother Japan in days now

and what a moment it's going to be when we do our first I mean how many miles will separate well how far is California Southern California from Japan I mean we're talking an ocean right you know not not pretty much equal

to Tokyo to London which we do as a trip it's about 55 500 miles according to Google like one of my bigger problems of traveling is just like getting on a plane and sitting on a plane for nine hours that that's fair but I am taking this actually both flights by myself so could be worse could be worse we are traveling separately they're going a day and a half in front of me there were visa complications that delayed me having to get a ticket but but I'm going oh just wait until the flight delays I'm I got stranded in Mexico a couple months ago. I ended up a day late to Texas. It's really fun what's going on in the airline industry. Hey, the day yesterday for me was fun. I went to putters and gutters, great place in Marble Falls, Texas.

I shout that out. Went to a great cheese burger place. What was the name of it? If you're in central Texas, I have the place for you to go in Lampasas. I wish I remembered it. I'll get back to you on that. Mark, what's going on for you in your neck of the woods? Well, one question.

Are you getting recognized, you know, at the golf course in eateries on the street? Are people kind of, you know, flagging you down just to say thank you for the content for the work that you've done? I don't think that's going to really happen in this part of the country. Now, that's not to say there's not NFL fans around here or fans are our podcast, but this very much is college football heaven. I'm wearing a bailer hat right now because my father-in-law, is a big time sick and bears guy and we're going to talk about a little more Texas football a little later in the news that has Justin graver the Texas native and UT graduate all pumped up but yeah this feels like if we did like around the CFB podcast I feel like it would be a pretty good chance around the NFL a little more hit and miss just to give you the answer full answer and a little bookkeeping on Monday's show I challenged the shadowy league figures

and said if you listen to the show hit me up on work email and you don't even have to put anything in the body just the subject, I'm listening. Right. One third floor executive did email me, I'm listening. Wow.

One. Male or female? Is a male. I won't say who it was beyond that. But then also had a quick note that they really enjoyed the NFL Media Summit podcast last week and to keep up the good work.

So it was a positive email. But I don't know, maybe Roger or others were tied up in other things. So they didn't get a chance to email me. But I got to say, though, that hits the over. I mean, I said the over under half. So I think it would be when. Did you? I missed that.

I would have said it at one and a half after that. Okay, okay. But it's, you know, we got one, though. All right. So, yes, we're going to do it on today's show. We're going to share some inner monologues. We're going to bring that back. We did it last summer.

It was fun. And guess what? It's June 23rd. This is it. This is ground zero for the quiet period of the NFL calendar. So we're just going to have some fun. And let you know what's going on. The things that certain NFL figures are thinking that are taking up hard drive in their mind right now that they would never share, certainly not with the media.

Yahoo's like us, but also even maybe with their own. loved ones. With their own team? Yeah, with their own team. The deepest internal monologues and thoughts that are often secret, that, you know, it's, you don't, you don't want to be completely vulnerable and release it out there, but we're going to do that today. I think everyone to a certain extent, some more than others, certainly, there's a level

of self-doubt and a level of reflection that goes on that you would keep to yourself, where we're opening, we're cracking that open. This is one source that we're exposing. It's these certain figures that are kind of. coming up today, and we're going to let you know how they feel. But before that, let's do some news. One more, I got 69 touchdowns. If you know what I mean.

It's a little like a little cackle laugh at the end. Rob Gruncowski, of course, sent out the Instagram message on Monday announcing he was not coming back and had once again gone into retirement. And it should be noted that Adam Schaefter was contacted by his agent who texted Schaefter and probably others. It would not surprise me if Tom Brady calls him, him being grunk, during the season to come back and Rob answers the call. This is just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rob comes back during the season or next season. He's coming back. I mean, what is that? What is that?

Rosenhaus, who's Grog's agent, was clearly putting it out there like, we're open for business, just not yet. And I thought it was interesting. Mike Floria, who often, you know, has stories and quotes from Rosenhaus and stuff, noted that it might have just been a financial thing, that it's like if they weren't going to pay him what he wanted, he didn't want to play the whole season necessarily for Tampa, but maybe he'll play half the season. Yeah.

And if you want to parse that even further, the fact that. Rosenthal specifically cites, you know, if Tom calls. It's not necessarily Grunk searching for another team to come out of the woodwork and pay him. It's just like, you know, the Bucks want to bring me back and they're in contention and they need him. I'll play, you know, but a couple things I guess have to fall in place. I actually felt bad for a second after the show just thinking about it. It's like, oh, we didn't really provide context of like what these last couple years meant for Gronk's career and what a legend. It's like, but I'm glad we didn't because he'll be coming back.

I thought we absolutely totally nailed it and spent about two and a half minutes on it because this is exactly what we said would occur. And by the way, if he does indeed stick to this retirement, it still is nothing to feel bad about Greg. Because in five years when he's a first eligibility canton guy, if we're still doing the show by then, we absolutely will have all those conversations. It'll be great. There'll be great conversations. Just wait half a decade. The bigger problem is the Tom Brady situation. There's no escape now.

I feel like we're like Blood Brothers for life, Mark. This show will be going on for infinity. Why are you pointing that comment to me? Because it's a threat toward you, basically. All right. All right, Roger Goodell testified Wednesday before members of Congress. We're going to talk about this because, unfortunately, a part of doing this job, which is covering everything connected with this.

professional football league around the NFL is all the distasteful things surrounding the Washington commanders, and it's building and building and building. And now we're going to talk about the latest chapter. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell testified Wednesday before members of Congress at a hearing by the House Committee of Oversight and Reform about ongoing scrutiny into the organization's workplace culture and accusations from women. women employees of pervasive sexual harassment by team executives connected to the commanders. So Goodell testified Wednesday, a congresswoman, Rashida Taleb from Michigan, after initially

asking whether he would recommend Snyder's removal as owner of the commanders, the congresswoman followed up by asking Goodell, will you remove him? Here's what Roger had to say. Will you remove him? I don't have the authority to remove him, Congresswoman. And an NFL owner can be removed, and here's the background, and why a Goodell answer that way. An NFL owner can be removed only by a three-quarters vote, 24 out of 32 majority vote of fellow owners, although Goodell does have the ability in his position as commissioner to officially recommend such a vote.

Daniel Snyder, the center of all this, the owner of the commanders, was invited to testify but declined to citing overseas business commitment. and concerns about due process. Committee chair Carolyn Maloney out of New York announced during the hearing that she plans to issue a subpoena to compel Snyder to testify. It ain't going away. It was disappointing to watch this. To watch Roger Goodell try to answer for Dan Snyder, which is like that's what the commissioner on paper makes his,

his money for is being up there and trying to protect Snyder. But at what point does that grow so tiresome that Roger Goodell does recommend to start this process? Because he could. If he really wanted to, he could recommend to start the process and at least force some sort of vote. It doesn't seem like that's going to happen. If only because if it was going to happen, you would have thought it would have already. And they kept pointing to that they've, they've. change their organization.

Ron Rivera came in. Jason Wright, their new president came in. Dan Snyder is no longer the day-to-day operating owner. But there's a lot of quotes from Ron Rivera and other people that indicate Dan Snyder is still very involved in the day-to-day operations. And so that doesn't really match up. And some of the allegations are new. And I think that's probably their biggest problem is that the new NFL investigation into

them after the one that they never released the report for. came from allegations that came from these congressional hearings a year ago. And there's allegations from the Washington Post that Dan Snyder essentially sent goons to intimidate these witnesses and find things out. And that was in the last year. So that's not just old news. Washington Post also had a report with details about a previously known sexual assault that Dan Snyder was accused of that there was a payment of back.

in 2009 so it's all just disappointing just as someone that's I feel like we've been ever since we've worked for the NFL there's been extremely disappointing negative stories about this one particular franchise and and there's one commonality that that's been there the whole time is still right it's hard to find an owner that has more consistently gone against what you would want an NFL owner to do I mean there's some startling other cases out there as well but Snyder going on decades this has been the culture And I mean, the idea that he would survive this after we find out along the way during this investigation, that he was using private investigators, offering hush money to witnesses, doing shadow investigations to intimidate people inside his own building. To me, I don't know what the other owners, the other 31 owners, where they are mentally if they want to protect him and keep them around.

Because if you're Daniel Snyder, the one thing you don't want to do is testify at all. I mean, I totally get from his angle why he is staying away as long as possible because nothing good can come from that. And I thought that Goodell, you know, his role is to protect the owners to some degree, but he spent two hours having to be very slick and very slippery around certain answers. I mean, they offered a bunch of strange questions, too. It wasn't all just on this investigation because they have two hours to do what they want with it. But if you're a Goodell, this is the last thing you want to be happening in the middle of June when football season is about to start. can explode. I think this doesn't end with Daniel Snyder out of the mix. I don't think there's a lot of hope for any of these owners to be corrected in the way they behave. In a statement, a spokesperson

for Snyder characterized the report and the hearing itself is a politically charged show trial and said Congress should not be investigating an issue a football team addressed years ago. That is the whole angle. And even the one that comes from the league now with after the investigation that the team held of the commander's football team and it led to the $10 million fine and Snyder being forced to step back that they say things have changed since then but there are obviously a lot of people out here

including in the government here that want more. That's not good enough, just this idea, oh, it's fixed now. They want accountability for what's happened in the past. And when asked about the alleged, quote, shadow investigation that Snyder and the commanders were involved with, Goodell said any action that would discourage people from coming forward would be inappropriate. So that's where we're at there.

Good luck with that new stadium, by the way, like getting public funds for the new stadium. I think that is, it's all connected there, that this is the local team that Congress is a little more interested in maybe than other teams. There's public money. There's the antitrust exemption that the NFL gets and has benefited from. So I don't think it's, it doesn't seem like it's ending. That's why when the, when the, when the Jack Del Rio comments came out, one of the first piggybacked responses by lawmakers was, well, that might have been the tipping point that takes us out of any interest for this new stadium. In football news.

Let's get into it. Time for News and Notes presented by Upwork where you can build the team that will build your business. Learn more at Upwork.com. NFL Network, C. and Rappaport reports Jalen Ramsey underwent shoulder surgery on. Tuesday. Hmm, that's interesting. June 21st shoulder surgery football player. Okay, that's important to note. But he should be ready before the start of the season. Rappaport added that Ramsie played with tears in both of his shoulders during the

2021 season. He was on Instagram the day the report from Rappaport landed and he was in a shoulder sling. So he's been with the Rams for two and a half years since that blockbuster. trade from the Jaguars, and he's coming off, obviously, a Super Bowl championship. So that's a major, major piece of the puzzle in L.A. and they just have to hope the rehab goes off without a hitch. I am afraid of, like, saying the same things that we say at this time of year, every year,

but sometimes you just got to do it, which is that, like, no one wants to have surgery in June. They were hoping to avoid it that this is bad news, because if they knew that he had to get it, you would have had it much earlier, and that there's no real accountability. accountability in terms of timelines with injury reporting in June. And just we've learned over the years that many times when they say they're going to be ready for the season, that's true. And many times when they say they're going to be ready for the season, it's not true. And there's really no way to know at this time of year. But it is something that is disappointing. There's no way the Rams and Jalen Ramsey, especially considering how thin they are at cornerback would have wanted

to wait this long. Yeah, the timing is super ill. The only thing I'd say that's positive, if if he can get healthy enough, is that you're under the same system with Rahim Morris. He's their sort of five-position star guy that does everything for them. He knows what he's doing. It's not like missing time in meetings or, you know, that part of it is certainly manageable. But yeah, it's sort of a mess. In signings news, the Steelers have signed defensive tackle Larry Ogham Joby to a one-year deal. He finds a home.

He had a three-year $40 million deal, $40.5 million, to be exact, with the bears that fizzled out after he failed a physical. But now he lands on his feet, not the deal he was looking for in free agency, but he could reestablish his value playing with a Pittsburgh defense that has obviously some big-time players on it. Your thoughts on the move, Mark? Well, I think it's a classic Steelers. late summer signing and they found a good guy here.

It could be more than depth because after Stefan Tuit retired, he could play that role. He brings pressure from the inside. I mean, at this point, if at some point he lands with the Ravens, he will have been with all four AFC North teams. But he did good things with the Browns. He had a career high seven sacks last year with the Bengals. Speaking to that internal pressure,

he's not sort of been hot and cold against the run. He wasn't good against the run last year. But when you add him to Cam Hayward, you know, you got Miles Jack in Pittsburgh, well, T.J. Watt, I like this signing for the Steelers. I think it's, when he goes there, I think it's going to work out. If he went somewhere else, not so sure. Right. You said it perfectly with a classic Steelers signing. They find these cheap guys late in free agency. And Ogon Jovey's been very up and down as a player. And that's why the Bengals chose B.J. Hill over

him. They actually, you know, B.J. Hill ended up replacing him when Ogon Joby got hurt, played outstanding in their playoff run. They end up giving Hill the big contract. But Ogon Joby flashes and has made a ton of big plays in his career. And I just feel like Mike Tom and it'll get the best out of him. This now leaves, Dan, 14 players still left on the top 101. That has never been the case this deep into the off season. I'm just going to list them for you. Just why not?

O'Dell Beckham, Dwayne Brown, still out there, the tackle, 37 years old. He played pretty well last year. Trey Flowers, former Patriot Lion, J.C. Tredder, not sure why he's still available. Will Fuller. Eric Fisher, Julio Jones, Anthony Barr, Justin Houston, Sheldon Richardson, Indomacan Sioux, Kevin King, Donta High Tower, and Riley Reef. I mean, there are some guys who can play for you, I think, for the most part. Some good ball players there.

Some good ball players. Go get them, including, I believe you mentioned Will Fuller. Still out there. I know everybody's kicking the tires, looking to get better. Put that man with a good quarterback, he will make you better. You have a little bit of a Will Fuller fetish, and it's been going on for you. He's replaced Lamar Miller as like the random former Houston Texan named Miller that you love. That's it.

You guys cracked it. Wait, he's not named Miller. He's fuller. Now my brain is just broken. It's close. Ers. It's late June. Ers from the Texans tree is my fetish.

Ah. All right. All right. Got some sad news. Ravens Outside Landbacker Jalen Ferguson has died at the age of 26. Actually, I have two items of really sad news. around the Baltimore Ravens. So Jalen Ferguson passes away at the age of 26.

The team announced Wednesday. Ravens coach John Harbaugh said that Jalen was a good-hearted, gentle person who loved his family and his team. He was a joy to talk with and be around every day. Baltimore police said officers responded to a home in the northern district of the city where they found Ferguson unresponsive and being treated by medics. He never regained consciousness and was pronounced dead. on the scene by medics. This is a man with three children, three very young children,

a former third round pick by the Ravens in 2009, who had been fully involved in all of the team's off-season practices this year. So he was going in a great direction in his career, so young with the family, and we lose Jalen Ferguson at the age of 26. Also, we lose Tony Saragusa, the goose, one of the more notable, well-known NFL figures of the early 2000s and late 90s. Defense of tackle with a huge personality, died Wednesday at the age of 55.

Cause of his death was not immediately available, but he was a key cog in the middle of the Ravens defense in 2000, one of the best, if not the best defense ever, 12-year career with the Colts and then Ravens. And I like this tweet from Jim Erse, the goose squeezed 200 fun-loving. years into 55. He was one of the most physically strongest players I've ever seen in 50 years. In Greece, they would ask one question at the end of one's life. This is only Jim Mersey would tweet this. Did he have passion? In Tony's case, yes, he did. So we lose Saragusa and Jalen Ferguson. And one day, very sad. Well, with Saragusa, I'll just say one thing about him, you know, he was an on-air presence on Fox for years too. And I, that, that, I wasn't always, I'm thrilled

with what he did on that on that vehicle but um his teammates to a man uh it absolutely love this guy and i think he was one of the better practical jokers um of this century in the league because there were stories where like on the first hard knocks um when you know shannon sharp was in that tight end room with the with the rest of that crew he locked them in their meeting room and put a table up against the door and they couldn't find their way out and like it was just this that was just sort of what do we do all that there's another time when a bunch of young players. This is a weird story. They had made a giant pot of cocoa in the locker room. And Syragusa snuck in like a large amount of laxative. And so they went out to

practice in the cold after this cocoa. And one player after the next was running back into the facility to do, to, you know, respond to what a laxative would do. And the last thing I'll mention is that he, when they went to the Super Bowl in that year 2000, they knocked out the Raiders in the playoffs and it was it was his hit on Rich Gannon the turtle totally turned Oakland upside down and his quote Syragusa said I saw Rich's eyes roll back he got every pound of my fat ass on him so I despond him to be one of the more enjoyable characters of that era oh yeah I mean yeah you got to be one of the better undrafted uh free agents of the 90s period you're an undrafted guy and you end up starting in the league for 12 years start 148 games uh win a ring

with the Ravens, you meant to be part of that broadcast team, Kenny Moose and Goose. I just, that trio, it's always like in my brain. It was Kenny Albert, Moose, and Goose. They were either the number two team or the number three team. And he sort of did this thing. Not many people have replaced it where he was on the sideline, but he was part of the broadcast the whole time and just saying goofy stuff. And I'm with you on the Hard Knocks memories.

Like, I don't remember that much as a player. Ozzie Newsom brought up that he was one of the best. run stoppers in Ravens history. And actually that sort of role has continued throughout Ravens history under Ozzie Newsom. They're always sort of looking for the next Tony Saraguso, a big time run stopper in the middle. Now it's Brandon Williams. It's like halloady not a different guys like that. But that hard knocks to me was maybe I'm not remembering well, but I just feel like that was the best one because they sort of didn't realize what it was. And it was big time players being totally loose. They got away with a

They allowed everything. And if you're a big enough dork that you would want to go back and watch a hard knocks, that would be like my number one recommendation because it's just like a different NFL and Saragusa was was maybe the star of it, the number one person. Oh, he was. I mean, it was, I think Brian Billick thought he was the star because I'd never seen a man carry himself with more rational confidence as the head coach of that team after the 2000 Super Bowl season.

I just remember him laying in a hammock at one point with like a. a Bahama, you know, Panama Jack hat on, just like, I am the king of the world. But Sargusa, that wasn't even his best HBO vehicle, Gregi. He also had a four-episode run on the Sopranos late in that series where he played an enforcer named Frankie Cortez. So, you know, he had all sorts of different angles. And he also, yeah, the, what did you call it, the Moose, Goose and Loose? What was it again? It was Kenny Moose and Goose.

That team was a team for a while. I feel like we used to, or at least I used to have some fun at the expense of Goose with his role on those telecasts. So we'd like cut to Goose and then he'd be, the way I always remember it, he'd either like be behind the field goal post or like halfway up the tunnel and they'd just throw to Goose and he'd say something Goose-esque and then it would come back to the telecast. But yes, definitely a memorable figure. I feel like Wes had strong opinions on Kenny Moose and Goose. If you went back to like our 2014, 13, it's like, we have been, we have been doing this a long time. I mean, they were, that, that, I understand that of a nice nickname, but they were critiqued at times. I mean, he was part of it.

He wasn't everyone's cup of tea on air, but that, you know, that's fine. And one more note on Jalen Ferguson, great nickname in college, Sack Daddy. Awesome. He holds the FBS record for career sacks with 45. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. I know.

I mean, that, you know, that is potential. And he was going to have, you know, when I did the projected starters, not that the football side of it is that important. But, you know, he had an opportunity because of injuries and just how their roster is. He was probably penciled in to two start this year. They've been good at kind of developing that position. And this was his time to step up and just, it's tragic.

I think everyone there, his teammates and everyone were just stunned. It was out of nowhere. All right. And finally in the news. Arch Manning, the next Manning, there was the father. Was he Tulane? Was he a Tulane guy? No, Archie. Archie was that old miss. And then with the Saints, you know, great Saints.

That's why they wound up and, you know, and not one of the great saints of all time. There haven't been that many that have topped them. And then there was Peyton, one of the greatest to ever strap it up, multiple MVPs, a couple Super Bowl wins and then Eli who had a couple Super Bowl wins of his own at Greg Rosenthal's expense directly

and one of the great Jimen ever and now here comes Arch son of Cooper Cooper who is another brother from the Manning family that people thought had a chance to be a truly great pro

but I believe it was a neck injury that kept Cooper from following his NFL dreams but here is a son who is a absolute blue chip quarterback. He ends up committing to Texas over other suitors that included Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, and Virginia. Now, we are not your source for college football insight, but Justin Graver is a native Texan. As I sit in Texas right now, like I said, at the top of

the show, they love their college football, and I could picture a young Graver just rolling through co-eds and then just attending all those Saturday games. He's doing the hook him horns thing or whatever that is. There it is. And then now you have this dude. Are he pumped up, Graver? Three sickers. Yeah, pretty pumped up.

I think Texas is finally back, right? We can say it with confidence every single season. We got to win some games first, right? And they're moving to the SEC. You would think with him if he lives up to his billing, I don't know anything about prospects, but he's been like the number one prospect hype-wise for years. Yeah, I don't know if it's just because his name is Manning, but he's like the clear number one quarterback on that level of like Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck type of guy. So he works out. And Graver, you just, you know,

when you went to school, I asked you before the show, you just missed the magical run of Colt McCoy at Texas, probably the last really relevant era for them in some respect. Will this pull you back? Will you be going to, do you think that you'll go back and watch games? And do you think that Manning has a chance to outshine Colt McCoy in this setting? I think he does because his name is Manning, but he's got to be, he's got to win games, like Greg said. So I've been pretty like into Texas football. They have a really fun way of making you strong believers in September and then completely crumbling down the stretch. So every year is like a fun ride of.

Yeah, basically. A little bit. I mean, they've fallen off the map. But now, you know, they're entering the SEC. They're getting ready. Shout out to Isidore Newman, where Arch goes to school. A couple of my good friends from college went there. A football juggernaut, despite being some small, like, school.

And they somehow get all the mannings. I don't know how that works. That's a great point, Greg. Dan, what is going on in the streets? You're in Texas. It's happening right around you. What's the physical human response to this news that just broke hours ago? You're right there.

there's nothing going on i'm actually fairly close to austin but again texas is very spread out you know it's very different than where the three of us currently live which is a very highly concentrated region of the country so i haven't seen another human today putters putters and gutters is like where everyone is uh yeah hanging out and that's it there was like seven people of putters and gutters um and that's it but anyway good good luck to did you see that picture by the way of all the Manning's hanging out, I believe in New Orleans, but maybe not. Maybe they were in Texas. And they all had identical looking polos and wrinkled shorts.

And I showed that picture to my son to see if he recognized anyone in the picture. And he did recognize Peyton Manning and mention how much he dislikes Eli Manning as a Patriots fan. I don't like that guy, Eli. So it cuts deep there, Dan. You know there's a Manning nephew or son that wears Slayer shirt and has a mohawk and you know ripped up jeans and a chain and smokes cigarettes that they just keep hidden yeah probably like up in the attic somewhere like chain to a chain to a bed like you know the the Kennedy story the the poor Kennedy woman that they kind of kept out of view yeah a similar

situation they put a they put a drill into her head by the way so I know it's a very sad story I was kind of dancing around that aspect of it but more that she was kept out of the the public eye for the balance of her life. Right. Lovotomized. Taken out of the rotation. Could this guy be lobotomized? I don't know.

If he exists, he might be in danger. Certainly, he'd be in danger of being forced to wear khaki shorts. Right. Well, it's similar to how Mark's child that popped up a few years ago, right? Remember the missing child? I mean, I guess she's not missing anymore, but we didn't know about her. No, it's my daughter. we've, Dan met her.

She's a very nice young woman. What's her deal? She's 24 years old. Lives in not too far from here. Per reports. And that was news and notes presented by Upwork, the world's work marketplace. Learn more at Upwork.com. All right.

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behind the eyes of some of the most notable NFL figures. And I would say this, and I think this needs to be a bit of a promise, that we won't use anything that we broadcast today against these individuals, because we are, in a sense, you could say it's an invasion of their privacy at a biblical level, what we're doing here. So that goes for everyone listening. Any shadowy league figures, including that one gentleman, on the third floor and anyone else.

I think that's fair. Ground rule is set? I think that's just because we're wielding a certain amount of power here and it's going to take us and the listeners a lot of restraint to not even think about that. You know when you hear something very disturbing about someone and every time you see them, that's all you can think about. We've got to refrain from that being the case with these NFL figures.

Well, right, plus 2022, like people are concerned about privacy data. and we're getting literally inside their brains. Absolutely. That's some privacy data you normally want to protect and they can't. All right, so let's get inside a brain. Greg, do you want to get us going today? Sure. Let's get inside the mind of P. Caro.

People ask me all the time. How long is this going to take? Yeah, are you going to throw the ball forward? I don't know that. I don't really care about that. What do I do know? Is that things are going to go the right way. People want to say, oh, Gino or Drew.

How about asking this question? Rashad or Ken? That's Rashad Penny or Ken Walker. Here's what Gino can do. He can turn around, hold the ball to his left, and then one of those running backs can run to the left or to the right. It's up to them. They actually can also run to the middle.

One of the things we've been thinking about, they can actually start running to the left and then they can change directions and then run to the right. There's all sorts of options. I'm just so jacked and pumped to get after it. I'm so happy Russell Wilson's gone. Oh, wait, was that allowed?

Was that what allowed? Out loud. I like the Peak Carroll cadence. I thought you really got Pete Carroll down there to something. You can almost hear the winter green gum chomping between the back molars. It's funny, yeah, that Pete, you know, still always positive, always completely confident that the most optimistic scenario plays out. That's just Pete Carroll.

And that he's not concerned. I think he, I mean, now that we know, I mean, he didn't want to even let it out from his own internal thoughts there at the end. But he's just so excited. He's so excited to be turning the page from this domineering personality that was running his franchise. when he has so many different offensive options that he laid out, that Drew Locke and Gino can do very well. Well, it's funny, Greg, that you were able to drill into the mind of Pete Carroll because I have drilled right into the mind of that quarterback that you mentioned.

Oh, wow. Ooh. Gino Smith. Oh, my gosh. I thought you could. said, Matt Russell. This is it. This is my moment.

My stage. And no one's going to take it from me. Last time I was in training camp with a starting job in my back pocket, some jabroney teammate broke my jaw because I skipped out on a high school football camp without notice and refused to reimburse the cost of airfare. My teammate had fronted me in good faith. What a jerk That guy was totally and 100% in the wrong

But I'm always right I'm Gino Smith Coach Carol traded for Drew Locke That's funny as hell Pete knows that dude can't hold my giant jock strap Let's strap Drew in the Gino coaster this summer

Then watch him plummet to a horrifying death Yeah, that's right I'm straight up murdering the competition this summer Baker Mayfield coming to town Please The only thing that dude could beat me in

Is commercial revenue And a lack of troubling DUI arrests And that's only one nothing Plenty of ballgame there Mental checklist time, baby Win a starting job Check win MVP check

win Super Bowl check find proof earth is flat sideways check oh yeah this is gonna be a great year oh

still chasing that flat earth concept I like that he doesn't give up well he doesn't press because I would have thought I would have been the one who could get inside the mine but you you really did it he backed off that flat earth stuff publicly but you know he thinks about it all the time right and you know and p carroll has some theories of his own so the two of them kind of go hand in hand

interesting it's going to be an interesting season in seattle based on what we just heard well i hope the murdering was metaphorical you know on the field um because otherwise it'd be a little it'd be troubling but again we can can't use any of this against him. No, that's true. No. That's a good point. But if anybody wants to, you know, shoot Drew Locke a DM that might have ability to, maybe, just a heads up.

Watch your back. I don't think we're supposed to tell Drew Locke, based on the ground rules of this. Yeah, I think we need to keep this inside the trust tree here. Oh, that's true. All right. You're up, Mark. And that was another edition of. Sipping on Vino, check in on Gino.

I assume you have someone from the Seattle Seahawks. I do not. I'm taking us to Tampa where we're going to get inside the head of Bruce Ariens. Sometimes it bugs me. Tom retires, then Tom unretires, then I retire, kind of. Let's be real, baby. I was bumped upstairs. Classic lever pull on the old guy.

So now Tom and Leftwich, huddle is a two-sum to design the weekly game plan without me. Classy moved by Lefty after I went to bat for him 10,000 times. Sometimes I tell myself, trust nobody. Brightside? I'm still making a fat paycheck. Still get to eat in the team cafeteria. which, by the way, has hugely improved since they've replaced that last chef's super dull Jessica Yardley with this new guy, El Gucci.

El Gucci has done incredible things to the menu. Wonderful pork tenderloin yesterday for lunch. Every morning, waffles dipped in butter and foreign syrups. There was a fish fry last Friday, which I was first in line for. El Gucci has his own way of crisping French fries and then serving them with multiple dipping sauces, ranch. Chipotle, sweet chili, honey barbecue, Dijon. The other day, Battleship Fournep came up to me in the cafeteria, and there I was huddled over a massive second lunch. Two dense tri-tip sandwiches, a big bowl of spaghetti under meat sauce, a green salad with honey-dipped croutons, and a massive tumbler of whiskey.

What you've been working on these days, Fournette asked me. Nothing, baby, I said. Nothing at all. That checks out. Feels on point. It feels like I have some concern level for Bruce's health, you know, because he's been, you see him puttering around in that golf cart when he was coaching last year. So I don't know if there's like a lot of exercise. And I definitely, it seems like Al Gucci, great food, but dangerous, that he's eating

almost too much. It's a problematic path, potentially. Yeah, Bruce is, he loves. loves life and he's not a guy that's always as careful as he needs to be. So hopefully he's mixing in some salads of the commissary. I would love to see, honestly, so since the announcement came that he was moving upstairs, what was that in February, January, February, if you gave him a piece of loose leaf paper and a pen and said, please, if you could, Bruce, list everything you've accomplished

work-wise since you've moved into this front office role. would love to see it. And he can't bullshit. He needs to actually list tangible work that he's done. He's probably made half a million dollars in salaries. Right. I don't know if he has a boss, but I think it would be good if he doesn't. I mean, I feel like I am, you know, we're still working hard and I want to do the best job we can. But I have slight Aryan's tendencies here because our huddle has really gone up a notch since we moved into Ingle. Several. And it's free. So much like for Aryans. And I schedule my time at work around service.

I actually had to run in yesterday to just get the microphone to bring to Japan, you know? And I showed up specifically to get the end of breakfast and waited around for the beginning of lunch. Before that 11 a.m. cutoff. Right. 10.30. So you have to get the before 1030, hang out, do a couple, you know, talk around and then get that lunch. And sometimes then we'll tape a podcast. If it was a day we do that, come back for kind of lunch two, which is like a soup or a little

I love lunch part two. Yeah. They've got pizza slices free all the time. There was initially when we moved into the building, they said, you know, it's going to be free for, I think, September, just so that people who, you know, the anxiety of returning to work, like, let's kind of grease the skids, give you some nice food. And the pricing, the cost never came. It just remained free, which is sort of an anti-corporate move there. Typically, they're like taking water coolers away and stuff like that, not here. And during our contract negotiations, and, you know, you have different options and you're weighing what you want to do next with the podcast and in our careers.

And, you know, we ultimately, you know, when I was asked, you know, what made the difference. And I said, oh, yeah, you know, great, you know, great people work here. It's great. You know, the studio's great. We've had such a great run here at NFL. We think we could keep it up going forward. But really, if you wanted to get into my internal monologue, it was like, oh, the free food at the much improved commissary. Like it starts there and ends there

It was at least 20% of my thinking In terms of making a final decision And that's an internal monologue Greg, you got another one? I do All right, let's do it This is inside the mind of Aaron Rogers Yeah

I really think for me It's just kind of funny how this off-season being portrayed in the media we're all going to miss Devante I love Devante you saw the photos on Instagram that's proof right

it's real but um but uh I don't know if people really saw the results of the MVP award voting the last two years. One name I didn't see at the top,

Devante Adams, didn't see him get a vote. But I think people maybe should go see those results the MVP award the last two years. There is one name that's there. It's pretty consistent. It's like I told Goody last year, I have I think I've been pretty incredible, and based on my years, yeah, I think it'd be nice if everyone out there just recognized.

Now, if there's one thing I know to be true, it's that inside Aaron Rogers's brain, there's a lot of self-congratulation, what self-congratulations going on? So vindictive. I mean, he... Was it vindictive? He just, I mean, it's more... He needs to look for someone to push him. back against and he sees he sees what's out there and this is the closest thing oh people people aren't

rank in the packers in their top five offenses are people so worried oh the packers are going to be really missing devante adams the packers are about one man and one man only this will be a good test they haven't quite stacked that roster in his favor there are some other quarterbacks that have gotten better support this offseason in my opinion and one of them is A guy that's about to enter his second year up there in New England. Well, summer break is here. I'm back home in Jacksonville. Duval.

And it feels good. Drinking Natty Lights. Blasting my favorite band, Creed. Taking the pontoon boat out on the lake with Becky, Jughead, and all my other friends. We deserve this. I deserve this. I've worked hard on my body and game all off-season so guys like Craig Rosenblum can make snarky comments at my...

He won't be able to make snarky comments at my expense this year. But hanging out with babes and bros doesn't stop my mind from wandering. And at night, I forget it. I can't sleep. I can hardly breathe. It's all I can think about. Who is my offensive coordinator? Is it Mr. QB sneak on 39, Joe Judge?

That can't be. Is it Patricia? Matt Patricia? That guy locked his keys in his car at minicamp. Twice. I know enough by now that it's not appropriate to ask questions or have creative thoughts with my team. But every other quarterback knows who their coach is. why can't I

it's almost like Hey stop What Coach Belchak Is that you How could you be in my head It's impossible You will do as you're told

And take orders from superiors without question But Do you understand I just Do you understand Grumble grumble Yes sir Okay

No more creed on the pontoon Only Bon Jovi Yes coach my life is a nightmare wow it's not easy up there on the Patriot way I mean it's it's Belichick's

next frontier we think we can get inside the mind he is inside the mind of 90 different men all the same time he's literally inside the minds now monitoring their conversation he waited a long time to penetrate the mind of Mac Jones till this pivotal moment where there was doubt

It's a big finish. It's a big finish. I think that's one of his skills. It was the greatest skills in the legendary coaching run is that ability to mind meld. It's funny because when I, when I hear like Mack Jones's voice inside of his head for some reason, it's like more like, well, I hope the guys are really going to catch the balls this year. That's true. I just, I don't know why that's, I really got to have fun playing the football with the guys. I didn't know he was from Jacksonville.

That kind of opened up a whole other world for me. Yeah, I thought you were going. That's a vibe. I didn't either. I didn't either, frankly. Why does that open up? Yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense. He seems like a sort of Southern bro, which is what Jacksonville, I imagine, to be.

It's Alabama. Yeah. I mean, no disrespect to anybody listening from Duval. But I thought he was like a good old boy from, I guess from Alabama or the surrounding. area up there. I don't know. Life is rich. That in North Florida, you know, it's very, it's very southern.

Florida, is that what they call? I've been there. I've had a few wild nights at Florida Bama. Again, how come we didn't get any of these Rosenthal Wild Nights? You speak about them with such frequency. Did any of them happen post-9-11, Greg? Uh... And wait, 9-11, no.

No, no, I mean, I had some wild nights in my life, but I was out of college and, and there might have been a few trips back there for weddings and whatnot, but not at Florida Bama. Are you trying to implicate Greg and? No, I'm just saying that most of Greg's wild tales happened from an era before even 9-11, it seems. All right, I just wanted to make sure you weren't registered. Okay, it was an important sort of moment in the country that was like a before and after. I see where you're going, but I was out here in Los Angeles at the time working at hallway pictures,

which produced Johnson's family vacation starring Cedric the entertainer as an office assistant. In term of the time space continuum there, Mark, that if our theory holds true that Greg was born age 32 standing up, does he even know what 9-11 is? Is he just playing along right now? Well, that's a rich mystery. I'm not, I, I, that's a fair question. All these two lane stories are just part of some amazing backstory that I pre-wrote. Yes.

All right, that's giving me a lot of credit. All right, Mark, finish it. Well, this is strange because I, we must be linked in this exercise to some degree when we're using these powers because I also have a New England Patriot who is going to be very important to Mac Jones. And that is first round pick Cole Strange. And when I was penetrating the mind of Cold Strange, poor Cole. You know, I kind of spent a lot of time in there trying to figure out because he was doing something weird. All of his internal monologues are done in Dear Diary format. That's how he thinks.

I don't know if that appeals to Bill Belichick and that's why they, you know, maybe drafted over drafted him. But this is, here we'll go. Here we go. Yeah. Interesting. Nice setup. Dear Diary. I heard the chuckles when I was drafted.

Of course I did. Who's this guy? And why is he going 29th over? all. The little blogger boys won't be giggling so hard when I grind a dolphin's interior lineman into dust four minutes into week one. Those little keyboardists won't know what to say when I make all pro after 17 pristine starts without allowing a single sack of Mac Daddy Jones. My physical body glows like a diamond. This morning, I climbed the mountain located at the edge of my apartment complex. Upward and through the hilly regions to where few trees remained.

There I encountered a billy goat. It stood frozen, its eyes piercing into mine. Through some hidden power of nature, the goat spoke to me telepathically. Something many humans do not understand, said the beast, its eyes now blazing red, is that your experience here, is simply a vision, a dream of sorts, but not in the way that you think of dreams. Is football real, I asked? Not especially, said the goat. Are you real, I asked? Can I answer your question with a question, said the animal?

Okay. Would you believe me if I said I was your ninth grade girlfriend, Nikki Exxon, in the form of a mountain goat? But Nikki Exxon married Chris Traeger. No, that's a false illusion. I am Nicky Exxon, and I am still in love with you, and think about you every day, Cole. I have to go now, I said. I have to lift weights to the facility. Then I walked down the mountain and got into my truck and drove to Patriot Place

where strength and conditioning coach Ted Frumpy spotted me on the dumbbell. I love that both you and Cole are fans of the phrase my physical body and I feel like this is almost a dream for you too Mark that you would run into a high school or middle school ex-girlfriend in the form of a goat like you would love that. I felt more connected to Cole Strange. Wandering the banks of Lake Happiness. Yeah, I think like I, you know, I mind the minds of many NFL players to do this exercise. And his stood out to me, I feel a connected kind of brotherhood to him. Knowing what we know, you know, what we learned minutes earlier, I would be concerned if I'm cold that Nikki Exxon could potentially be in great danger as seen as a distraction and one that needed to be muzzled or, I guess, industrialized. if goats are being processed industrialized people eat some goats some goats you're saying Belichick

or that right well or that Nikki Exxon Exum potentially is Bill Belichick and she's not it's not really Nikki that's another level is he turning into the clown from it where he has the ability to take on different forms and a psychological and physical menace I mean it's it's a heavy thing to be Belichick and inside all these minds because he has been opened up to many of the darkest secrets of the known universe. And I hope he can keep his focus as coach knowing what he now knows about Nikki and the goat and everything, all the implications that it has. Bill Belichick is Pennywise. It actually checks out. All right. There you go. Again, anything you heard here, try not, I know you can't eliminate it entirely from your mind's eye.

but just try to understand that these were private thoughts and to respect them in that sense. Thank you to everybody. Yeah. And great, Graver. I think, you know, we've done this in the dead of the off season a few times. I feel like we need to bring this back on a Tuesday or a different show during the season, I think. Getting inside their minds during the season, I think would be a fun exercise. It's good call.

G.C. G. G.C. All right. That's it. for another week of shows here in the off season. Greg, you will now head off to Japan. Good luck to you. Got a big championship game in the YMCA Bronze League

coming up on Saturday first. So your coach, you sent a text, your coach, the coach of your son's team quit, like on short notice, and you've been thrust into the role of head coach at the most critical juncture of the season.

In hindsight, he's sort of grew. me he needed extra help and was a little inconsistent of with his attendance and had various reasons for it throughout the season and then he just was gone and i've had to take over and um i don't know how to run a basketball practice so you're like the paul westhead if you watched winning time on hboh i feel like more like the dave mcginnis or uh i guess dan campbell with the dolphins would be of one i would rather be or joe vitt you know that but um but i'm struggling and we're in the champion championship game against a team that is nine and one and whose coach takes it so seriously,

it makes me upset. If you could beat the team with the coach that takes kids sports way too seriously, it's so much more rewarding. But we're five and five. We're heavy underdogs in this one, but we don't want to take the other gentleman to task, but what kind of person quits the team as coach just before the championship game? why not can you not maybe cap it off with one more contest he left me in a tough spot a couple weeks ago probably didn't think we were going to the championship we've had a nice little late season run so you've already you can orchestrated this playoff run I'm two and one

well I think that's are you going to the games the games they take care of themselves the practices are some of the longest hours of my life I just feel like I don't know what to do are you playing big or what's your rotation going to be well they're six years old you try to give everyone some playing time, but I know the way this guy works. He's not taking his best players out. So I'm definitely doing like a box in one, putting our best defensive player on their one superstar. And just that's my main innovation hoping for the best. Is Walker had seen an uptick in playing time since you took over? No, I almost overcorrect and like try to do it. But he's he's solid. Like he would be in the middle, you know, he's, he wouldn't be playing the whole game

anyways. Like some of the, we do have a couple stars. When you, um, announced this, Graver had some very good ideas for practices and stuff. Would you, would you ever consider bringing him on as an assistant coach? I would love to. I wish you had sent me those suggestions and I could have had you come to the Santa Monica Y on Thursday for the last practice or Wednesday and, but I could have used your help because I looked at that clock and I was like, wait, we got 20 more minutes. What am I going to do now?

What did you suggest, Graver? Oh, I suggested layup lines, three-man weave, a nice scrimmage. Scrimmage always eats up a game. But there it is. Scrimmage is the standby in coaching youth teams. You got 25 minutes left? Scrimmage. How about like a game of horse?

Kids don't know any better. The kids. To play a game of horse with like, you know, like ice cream Sundays as a surprise. That would take 30 minutes. Right. It sounds like you're living, kicking and screaming, but with basketball instead of soccer, which is a great willful. Just know, the kids, the kids think you know everything.

it's the parents that you have to win over because they're watching and they're watching yeah i feel like i'm letting like the ones who are genuinely talented i feel like i'm letting them their kids down that they're not really getting any uh learned Greg you've tug them to the kids will follow you into hell taking them to the championship game i don't i don't understand the like the self if you know you if anything you can turn to the parents and say eat it they should they should applaud what you've done well what one of them could have stepped in to be they all seem supportive they're all nice there just think about this too Mark. Think about the big, I'm assuming Greg, the coach is a bigger man. He gets angry at

something happens in the game. He says something to Greg. You know, Greg has a way of saying things back to people. Oh, I won't be shy. I won't be shy talking to this game. And just imagine what would happen if Greg hits him with a little Greg bomb. Oh, if he keeps complaining to the officials and stuff like that, I'm going to, I'm going to say something. I think I need to go to this game and see how I think it's my call for another peacemaker summit. I know this guy, I haven't said a word in our matchups, but it's on everyone's radar, believe me. There's always that guy.

Without ever having seen or know the man, I know exactly the type. Anyway, all right, that's it. Good luck to you in the championship. Thank you. When is it? Saturday morning. All right. Good luck in the championship and a trip to Japan.

And Mark will be you and I with Kavon Tibido. on Monday. We've got to figure out how we're going to move that relationship forward closer to friendship status. Well, I have full confidence that we do. Each time we meet with him, you know, the friendship becomes more intense. And so I think that that is the direction. Beautiful. All right. Thank you everybody for listening. Enjoy your weekend. Have fun. Be safe. Head to putters and gutters if you're in the Marvel Falls area. Even if you don't, just remember one thing. He'd the call.

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