NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Offseason News + ATN Mailbag

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

In a virtual room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Colleen Wolfe, and Patrick Claybon open the mailbag and take questions from the listeners in the latest edition of the ATN Mail. Before the mailbag, the heroes get caught up on some of the news from around the league including the NFL handing out suspensions to players who violated the league's gambling policy (08:00), the Patriots signing DeVante Parker (11:45), Ryan Mallet's unfortunate death (15:00), Leonard Fournette's scary accident (18:00), and Travis Kelce's cannabis claim (21:20). After the break, the mailbag is opened and the heroes answer questions like what their favorite ATN moments are (30:00), what would be on the ATN playlist (46:30), what the mascot for a NFL team in Alaska would be (50:15), and which team could go from worst to first (01:05:20).  Note: Time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast has thoughts on Tarantino's Uvra. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. My name is Dan Hansis, coming to you from a virtual room, filled with some heroes across the Southland. Patrick Claibon is back with us and love it. Mark Sessler, Of course. And Colleen Wolfe, the woman who told us on the Tuesday program,

is in the midst of a Tarantino marathon. How's that going? It's great. I just finished in Glorious Bastards. That's always been my number one fave. It remains at the top of the list. But I'm having a hard time right now slotting the top tier pulp and Kill Bill because I loved Kill Bill so much on the second watch.

And I actually like two better than one, but it's like, do I like them enough? to if I think if it's if kill bill one and two are being considered one movie like Tarantino likes to go by then I think I'll put it over Pulp Fiction but if we're breaking it up into individual killbills then I would have to go Pulp Fiction Kill Bill 2 Kill Bill 1 wow is that a prepared answer I feel like you're no I'm just like in really in really deep right now in this Tarantino thought I'm surprised by that that you would too. I'm also surprised by it. Yeah. We've been asked

even because we're doing something later today we're answering some questions, but someone asked that Tarantino question over and over and it's kind of your top five and Kill Bill is never, either one of them are never in my, they never break my top five. What? Oh, God. But also like that sounds like we're

like we're slashing the film. It's just that there's five I like better. Yeah. And I think and maybe like Colleen's experiencing this, when you go back and watch and you kind of detach everything from the context of when you watched it you kind of get a new perspective because like everything's always changing and there's always little things that jump out to you more it's good that's why rewatches are important pulp fiction will always be my number one once upon the time in hollywood is very securely in my number

two okay uh i adore that movie um and then number three it really is a rotation for me and i i don't know where i am right now maybe it's kill bill maybe it's inglorious bastards uh you know jacky brown mark we talk about a lot that sneaks in sometimes and gets the bronze medal it's It's so underrated. Jackie Brown is my number three. And like I think it's like his most underrated, um, movie of all. I really do. Um, all right.

This is around the NFL, a study of the complete works of Quentin Tarantino. Uh, well, maybe one day. Not today's show. Today we got a lot to get to. It's a mailbag day. I like this. This is going to be fun. I like this, uh, quadrant.

Greg's still in mother-in-law, Japan, enjoying his vacation. Trying not to bother him too much. Enjoy, Greg. I hope you're one with the culture over there and everyone's having a good time. Here we have this great Sessler, Wolf, Claibon Hansa's quadrant, which I don't know how many of these we've had. So let's see how it goes. The mailbag is full. And sometimes, and I'm very honest, I'm very honest, Patrick with the audience, when they fail the mailbag prompt.

Sometimes they just don't. You get too many of those like, oh, what would you rather, you know, defeat or go up against a giant duck or 7,000 mini ducks? And it's like, stop. Just stop a great question. I kind of like it. Oh, if you were on a desert island, which one of the heroes would be? Just stop it. You always bring that one up.

And I think that people have stopped sending that particular question. Someone did. But this week, I thought the list. listeners killed it and we all kind of put our hand in there and are choosing some questions and we're going to go around about it's going to be good Patrick I like it I'm excited this is my actual first mailbag episode I've always missed the mailbag episode so this is this is it for me and you know what Patrick you're a man uh with many interesting takes and you you're in terms of like the things that you enjoy talking about it's a vast swath it's not just football I feel like

this is a perfect exercise for the man they call Claibon. How far are you, but you're inside NFL Network Studios right now? How close are you to the giant photo of Russell Wilson across a giant wall with his hand, is like his hands clasped together, staring at the camera and integrity splashed across him? I always know exactly where I am in relation to that picture, because integrity is important to me. I am 350 feet. I think 72 steps, depending if I have to dodge somebody. And I, if you need me during this pod to take a picture of integrity and tweet it and just say integrity, I will do that.

You should definitely tweet it to Dan because he thought it said dignity. Which is only. Which is only. Honestly, it's only slightly less ridiculous. Well, I feel like there's a lot of art around our building. We're like, had, had this, you know, they decorated it this summer and Russell Wilson had fallen off a cliff. They're probably picking a different player for that image. They've got a, um, Odell Beckham that they repainted from a browns.

uniform to now a Rams, but they've not made them in Baltimore Raven at this point. So I don't know, we're tracking that one closely. It would be cool if there was like kind of next to, because it's not just Russell Wilson. It's different NFL figures. And then, you know, one of the, what was those at the old malls, they would have the posters that were motivational posters. It's kind of like that. It's very serious photos of various figures in the NFL and then a word that I guess we're supposed to stand for. I would like it was just a very serious shot of us all the around the NFL gang and then just like bozos across it.

It's a good time to check the sink on these podcast bozos. It's a mark of art. My favorite, because downstairs, right, on the newsroom floor, the second floor, there's 300 feet of stylized pictures of NFL legends that run the full style gamut. There's like Jerry Rice in a robe and a crown. And then there's a random picture of Brett Farv, but it's. not Brett Farv. It's like a weird looking cartoon that has nothing to do

with the entire rest of the wall. Somebody put in a lot of work, but it's... It's not like an Easter egg of some sort? This is what's like a purposeful thing? I have no idea. It looks like the Dilbert drawing of Brett Farv matched up with all of this hyper-realistic

artwork. Patrick, somebody did that. Bort Forve. You've gone too far, Patrick. Someone did that and put all their effort. It's There's a lot of art that I don't necessarily get. Shout out to them. They've got more talent than me. I draw a stick figure.

But I think it's appropriate because Brett Farb is a cartoon. You got to show us this. Let's get to the news. At 8, we believe in truth and authenticity. Our company is proudly based right here in Texas, and all of our beer is brewed right here in the good old USA. So I've got to call it like it is. There are a lot of beer brands out there that are trying to cash in on this holiday

by slapping an American flag on their package, regardless of whether or not they are truly American. Joy Aikman, not just jumping into the beer wars with his new Lager 8, also the culture wars, apparently, Mr. Claibon, because it's not, it's as, I wouldn't say it is vague what he's going for here if you're a real man, if you're a real American, and you don't go for all that other. junk drink my Texan beer. He should have had a troop come stand on it so it could literally support the troop

and then like it would be the most troop supporting beer ever. I love that and a flyover would be good too. Let's get to the news. Oh my god. I, by the way, seek that out and watch the entire video because he in case that wasn't on the nose

enough, he goes in a little harder at a certain point. It ends it with a big old swig of eight bad news everybody we got more gambling stuff to talk about it just came down before we started taping isaiah rogers and rashad barry of the indianapolis colts and free agent demetrius taylor are being suspended indefinitely through at least the two thousand twenty three season for betting on nfl games this season also as we had heard rogers was facing a big band and there it is. Titans offensive tackle, Nicholas Petit Freer, who is a starter all throughout last season, is being suspended six games for betting on sports at the workplace. We have a slight

update here that the Colts very quickly moved to release the players involved in this, Rogers and Barry. And on the side of Petit Freer and a statement to ESPN's Adam Schaefter, He said, the betting I engaged in was not NFL related and was legal under Tennessee law. It is only being sanctioned because it occurred at the Titans facility. He went on to apologize. So he got got as well. Patrick, this continues to reverberate across the league. And at some point, perhaps this will stop seeing this.

Or perhaps we won't. Perhaps this is just a part of the new reality of the NFL now that gambling is part of what the league does. Yeah, eventually, I think through discussion of this, I think more people will become updated on the policy. I don't know what the policies and what the forums look like for them. I know we go through extensive training to the point where if somebody even mentions it, I'm like, hey, if I'm not on a show that's specifically referencing it, I'm not talking about this because they'll come down. And if they come down on these guys, they'll come down on anybody. So hopefully everybody gets it because this, like, guys getting released. That's, I hate it.

Yeah. I don't even like walking past a sports book in a casino because I feel like someone knows that I'm there and I'm just like in the vicinity of one because I'm in an actual building that houses gambling. Like it is very, very, I think the policy is obviously tough to understand because these players keep getting in trouble and the wrinkle of them being in the facility, but placing a legal bet under the terms of the agreement, like that is, that's, that's a tough stitch for him. And also for, for Nicholas, he was the only returning starter on that offensive line. So that's kind of a blow for a line that's already trying to find its footing for next season. There was interesting that Petit Freer said that, you know, even though we attended the league presentation on the gambling policies, as we have, that he was unaware of his specific.

Because he got six games. The others are indefinite. They saw that case differently. It's, it's Thursday turning into Friday. and we're heading to a July 4th weekend, I feel like I would, I would gamble that there will be more of days. Don't, no, no, no, no, don't. I will, I will suggest.

Don't do it there. I will, I will, I will, I will predict that there will be more of these, not only during our show potentially, but over the next 24 hours, as they try to, like, have this occur to raise awareness, but then have it go away during the July 4th weekend because it's not what the league likes to have us talking about. In other news, as I quickly move,

away from it. The Patriots and wide receiver, Devante Parker, are doing business together, first reported by NFL Network, Parker, who is entering the final year of his contract this season, has agreed to a new deal through 2025. As part of that three-year contract, he could earn up to $33 million if he achieves every per game roster bonus and hits all playing time and performance incentives that includes all pro honors, according to a source via ESPN. Yeah, so again, And with these contracts, read closely because that $33 million, he ain't seen that $33 million unless something really special happens here. He's entering his ninth year, Parker, he totaled 31 catches for 539 yards and three touchdowns last season. So, Mark, it didn't blow the doors off the joint.

They met with DeAndre Hopkins. It seems like they need another guy, but they must like Parker enough to potentially keep them around longer. yeah he missed games last year i mean he's never you know been a total whirlwind but they only had outside of juju smith schuster they had no other veterans signed beyond this season so i think that played a part of it i don't think it has anything to do with dandre hopkins at all or it doesn't slow down their pursuit of him it opens up a little bit of cap space but uh just hearing sort of some of the people that are close to new england uh the the pursuit of dionry hopkins continues yeah i get it done what are we doing just if you you met with him two weeks ago now he's still out there if you want

him go get him at a certain point i think he's waiting to see if someone else you know in time due to calamity or whatever wants him more sure that's fair i mean obviously the the patriots think that parker is going to be more consistent than he was last season i would think but maybe i'm like really interested to see what happens with mac jones and bill o'brien like how this whole relationship and how this offense looks different from last year since it was so disastrous. Devante Parker had one big season. It was 2019 with the Dolphins, 72 catches, 1,200 yards, nine touchdowns. He has been a, you know, almost like a textbook definition, at least statistically, replacement level player, all other seasons. So Claibon, this story, this doesn't do much for me.

Just like most of the offense of New England as it's currently constitute does not do much for me. that's my take yeah you have to kind of the the matt patricia era new england patriot's offense you almost kind of just got to throw it out and say like this is this is a new start clearly like we know that there's a relationship there's so many common pieces between bill o'brien and mac jones that there's there's place to believe that it can work but again like as you mentioned dan it's around 10 million dollars like ultimately that's guaranteed to devonte parker like it's a six million dollar cap hit people reacting to 33 it's like oh my my god like this is it's it's not enough to change the nuke situation and i i honestly think like

considering the teams that nuke has played for in the errors that he did that he does want like it's not just lip service like i want to go to a franchise that has consistency and there's a clear idea for what they want to accomplish and that that might be the patriots so it just might take him waiting to figure that out um in other patriots news uh tragic news former backup quarterback Mallet, who had a seven-year career in the NFL after starring at Arkansas and college died Tuesday in an apparent drowning at a Florida beach. He was 35 years old. It was an incident where first responders were called to this beach in Destin, Florida. There's a group of people swimming in the Gulf of Mexico near a sandbar. According to the report, struggled to make it

to shore one of those individuals was Mallet, not breathing, pulled out of the water, and they were not able to revive him. Terrible, terrible story. He was once on the time. The third round pick of the Patriots brought in as a backup behind Brady, never saw a lot of time with the Patriots because Brady never came off the field. In a statement Tuesday, Belichick said that he was extremely saddened by Ryan's tragic passing. And Tom Brady on social media wrote, we lost a great man. Thank you for everything. Ryan. Unbelievable and very sad, Mark Sessler. I mean, you know, like just an awful, awful situation. It stopped me in my tracks when I read it

because you didn't know what the cause was out of the gate. He was a football coach currently. You know, Mallet is, we've done the show long enough where these players, not just the stars, but these guys that came in with a little bit of hype in the league and showed a little bit of promise were part of our show. And I just remember, like, having an era a year or two where I was pounding the table for Cleveland

to make Ryan Mallet their starting quarterback. You had like an impassioned speech about that, right? Yes, yeah, on our show. It's not, you know, we, that's not, we don't need to go down that wormhole too deep today. But like, there were things to, as a player that his arm strength and some of his fire, like, just appealed to me. But, you know, essentially a backup that became a coach. And like, you find when you hear like his age, it's just like, whoa, it's just striking to me. So it's a terrible story.

And it's just one of the worst moments of the off season. Oh, it like makes my chest tight right now, even thinking about it. But it's like 35 years old drowning. that's so unbelievably tragic. Drowning is like, it's my biggest fear in the entire world. It's so, so sad that this happened. And there's just so many,

the rip currents right now in Florida, you can, I mean, it's all over the news. There's a ton of people that are getting taken under by them. And it's just like scary. You guys got to watch out out there during the summer, especially when storms are coming in.

Do not mess with the ocean. And that's like the big takeaway. It was a yellow flag day, but the flags don't necessarily dictate what the individual will. can do. And if Mother Nature wants you, people just need to be safe. The sad thing, of course, like, it's a clear tragedy, but Ryan had gone through so much. He had struggled with issues through his career, and he finally found a place, right, where he was mentoring and leading

children. And to have this happen at this point, it's just horrible. I hope everybody pays attention and, you know, looks out for each other when they're, you know, enjoying the water. Well said, Patrick, in other news, another, well, near tragedy involving free agent running back Leonard Fournett, who escaped injury after his car caught on fire as he was driving it. Oh, my God. He posted Fournett on his Instagram account Tuesday, showing his SUV just all sorts of torn up. It's unclear what caused it. Fournett said, man, it was one of those days today, but I would like to thank God my car caught on. on fire while he's driving, but I am still blessed. Fournett was released by the Bucks in March,

playoff Lenny, of course. We'll see if he catches on anywhere. Not a great time to be running back, certainly a veteran closing on 30, but hey, man, he's still alive, and that's a good thing. I'll tell you, like, this brought up a weird memory for me, and I'm, you know, obviously glad that the, just the car went down and no one else. But in, In like 1992, when I was a freshman in college, I was a Browns fan going to Miami of Ohio. And so that's down near Cincinnati. So a couple of us decided to drive up in a Chevy Nova

that this girl had borrowed from her best friend. And he's like, this is my prize Chevy Nova. Like, yeah, you can drive it, but I don't want an else driving it. And so we go from Cincinnati to Cleveland on this highway. In about two hours into the trip, my friend and I in the back seat noticed, like, like dark plumes of smoke behind us where you couldn't see any cars behind you and so we thought well it's probably a good idea to pull over so we you know we pull over and we all get out and then

suddenly like this mechanic guy and a truck came by and popped our hood and the hood exploded with like green swirling liquid so I just like we're like I think it's time to get our school bags and our other bags out of this car and then 10 minutes later it was it exploded in general burning along the highway and burnt to the ground and so when I saw the pictures If you go look at the pictures of what happened to his car, that's what that's, I've seen that before. And it's just like, it's incredible when a car decides to implode and vanish from the earth. Um, how quickly that happens.

What? This, what? I can't believe I've never heard this story before. Mark's got a bunch. Was the mechanic okay who opened the hood after when it exploded? Yeah, there was a very steep hillside. So we all quickly climbed up the hillside and like they put flares up so cars wouldn't come. But then we had to take a, not an ambulance, because we were fine, but it was like a slow-moving ambulance to a rest stop.

And she had to call her friend and tell him, like, yeah, like, I just want to, I don't know how to tell you this. I was driving, but the car is burned to the ground on the highway between these two cities. So it was a strange. And then the Browns were shut out, I think 12-0 by the Broncos. It was like their first shutout in 30 years. So it's just like a disaster. Well, there's the real tragedy. Yeah, that's, yeah.

When are you writing your biography? moving ambulance well it wasn't like we weren't being rushed anywhere because we was actually going below the speed limit it was almost like the ambulance driver was making a point that he didn't feel like he needed to be doing this yeah I think that you could argue that was these rowdy teens ruined in my Tuesday well glad you're okay Sunday all right Mark well good for you great that you're still around finally in the news Travis Kelsey did you know you might not know that when he was playing tight end for the University of Cincinnati. He tested positive for marijuana, suspended that entire campaign. And the views and laws around marijuana have changed considerably in the 13 years since that incident. Players are pretty open past players, especially about their use of marijuana during their careers. And Kelsey told Vanity Fair that around 50% to 80% of NFL players use cannabis and that under the more lenient policy that the NFL put into place in 2021, which Josh Gordon was like, yo, bro, why did that not come in like five years earlier?

It's easy for players to use weed in the off season and stop before testing begins. Here's the quote from Kelsey. And then for some reason, I'm choosing to cue up Colleen. If you stop in the middle of July, you're fine. A lot of guys stop a week before and they still pass because everybody's working out in the heat and sweating their tail off. nobody's really getting hit for it anymore. Hey, 420, bro.

Yeah, you should have had Greg here to tee him up first. But if this is, if you can walk into a store, like essentially a bodega in California and many other states and just buy cannabis, anyone off of the street, it doesn't make any sense to me that this is a problem in the NFL when these guys are going through what they are, putting their bodies physically through so much trauma every single week and then they're not allowed to use something that your neighbor can use, no problem. It's just doesn't really add up. I think it should be changed. I feel like I'm really high. I don't know what that feels like, but I can guess. Oh, really? Because I feel like the estimate would be that 50 to 100% of the staff of this show,

including everyone on screen, has experimented with this substance, but that's fine. I'll leave it right there. Years past, years ago. I think, like, my question would just be, with regards to any particular substance, why are we testing for it? That would be my question to the league. Like, is it testing to ensure player safety, or is it some sort of respectability play? And, like, if so, who is it a respectability play, too? Because this is a product that's legal and utilized in most places. And so, like, who are we trying?

What's the effort? That's all I want to know. Who is it for? What's it trying to do? For who, for what? Yeah. Makes me paranoid. Don't like it.

Some people love it. That's always been true of you, Dan. Give Daddy a Tidos and let's fly somewhere else. You know, also you have Aaron Rogers talking about psychedelics and how that should be decriminalized. And, of course, he is such a strong figure in this league. So I feel like the more people talk about it, the less the stigma will be. Do you remember the days, though? Did you ever go through this when, like, one time I got a like a summer job.

job where I found out, and I, as a youth, I did not do a lot of smoking of tree on any level. I just did not. But I got caught at a party doing it once, okay? And then, like, had, like, two days later found out that I had to take a drug test for this, like, nominal job, which I needed. And so you do the thing where, like, all my friends, like, drink, like, a gigantic jar of pickle juice. And so I spent, like, an entire day drinking, like, not, you know, you take the pickles out and you just drink this giant jar of pickle juice, totally passed. if you would have just run around the high school track four times like done four laps it probably would have done the same thing but maybe pickle juice is a better

not bad when I was in high school my parents um my mom washed a bag of uh weed and then brought it over to me and said is is this one of mary's herbs marries my sister is this it was in the it was in the laundry and I was like yes actually it is thank you very much a little reginal I thought I thought Mary's herbs was a euphemism my sister mary is this her herbs mary's herbs sounds like an alternative rock band playing on k rock in 1996 um all right let's take a break and we'll hit the mailbag all right we're back um as listeners of the show know by the way before we get to the mailbag uh i unveiled the 2003 NFL superstar club on the previous episode

of around the NFL, as always, creates a lot of debate. Not everyone's going to be happy about it. And certainly a lot of people in my mentions were not. There's another person, Mark, who wasn't thrilled. It happens to be someone that's connected to the Quentin Tarantino film universe, the actor Christopher Walken. On this show. Who we know, Mark, has a connection to the NFL that a lot of other people aren't aware of.

of yeah uh you know we discovered you you get to know certain people like by doing the show and some of them are surprising but um that christopher walking is a an entrenched uh new york giants fan and like you don't hear he doesn't you don't hear that publicly but um like a rabid giants fan and so i i'm excited to hear what he had to say well don't speak too soon because uh we're both you know i think everybody in the room here big fans of walkin's work but yes he wasn't a big fan of the latest superstar club. Let's listen in according to our feedback system. This is NFL Network's Andrew Siciliano.

You have reached the Around the NFL listener feedback service. Please leave a message after the tone. My ears, do they deceive me? I am listening to Around the NFL, a program for which I have always had the utmost. respect and pow I'm flawed by the revelation the Sequin Barclay Sequod himself running back for my beloved warriors from East Rutherford New Jersey has been snubbed by the superstar club this is nothing less than a

total travesty anyone who is a fan of my long-running big blue fan podcast walking with giants will surely understand my disappointment my right-te anger over this heinous omission by the academy how could they be so misguided so obtuse my heart aches the Sequin and his entire family and I'll be damn sure the powers to be I'm made aware of my fury walking out his weapon of choice is threats What is that? Are we in trouble? Are we, should we be watching our six? What's going on now? I don't know. We're walking on broken glass. Yeah, the, uh, the next episode of walking with giants probably is going to be a lot of hissing, I think there, Mark. And you don't want to be

in the line of fire of a walk in the legendary figure in Hollywood. Yeah, I think people are seeing the passion for beyond the acting, beyond the Thespian realms, um, for Big Blue. But I, I hope he listened to the show closely enough because he's he's got to be his issue has to be with you dan you left the sake one out he was in my in my group and i mean you know if anything i hope that christopher walking can parse the difference there yeah i'm i'm with mark on that yeah i didn't i don't it didn't sound like based on what i was hearing that he was differentiating anything like it was well that's absurd to me because that relationship mattered so yeah all right well that's a little sobering right there to be quite honest with you uh but we are going to soldier on here uh and

And open up the mailbag, which like I said, sometimes the listeners, they really blow it. And they quite frankly disappoint me. Like how Christopher Walk in Hollywood legend is disappointed by the Superstar Club, that's how I feel sometimes when I open up the mailbag and I just see garbage. Dan in full dad mode. Yeah, just like, yeah, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed, son. Now take out the garbage.

I now will say I'm proud of the listeners for what they've done. great questions. We're going to take turns. We all grab some. In fact, you know what, Connie, get us going with the first question. How about that? Okay. Great. So let's start. You know, I love this one. It was, I saw it last night and I immediately started writing all sorts of notes down because it kind of goes perfectly with the show. And I want to make sure I have the guy's name who sent it in because he wanted to know about our favorite AT&S. memories and that he has been a long-time listener of the show, and so he wants the top moments, Isaiah Cox was wondering.

Some that come to mind are Wes's hat, Win West's Toaster with Damashek, the interview with Tony Romo, so we wanted to know our favorite or most memorable moments. And he's been a listener since middle school, just graduated college, so he's grown up with us. Well, he, he, what? He started in middle school. Now he graduated college. What does that mean for us, Sessler? I mean, we're about five years away from exiting the planet, probably.

That is, in all, honestly, that's incredible. That is such a cool thing to look at it from that perspective. I kind of look at things with favorite memories. Obviously, Wes being around always are the best memories. And I think about specifically, you know, the beginning of our podcast where we started to really feel like we were gaining some traction and those days where, you know, we would be hanging out together after shows and, you know, you kind of felt like we were doing something that maybe not everyone was paying attention to, but we knew the show was growing and the audience was growing and it was like

four buddies doing it together. So that's not a specific memory, but that's kind of when I think about what makes me happiest about this show. And maybe the West's specific memory is after he beat cancer the first time and we did our live show together and everything in the world was in its right place to quote Tom York. That would be my favorite memory being on stage and coming off stage and Mark and before we went on and being huddled up together and like just taking in the moment. Yeah, I mean, I think you encapsulated so much of how I feel because I can't come up with a with a top, but there were errors to our show and that era where like when you weren't on the air doing a show, you were out hanging out together.

was a lot of you know we were younger there weren't there weren't as many kids in the picture it it was a different time and I think that our friendships were let that made the show what it is like we're very much alive like when we were outside the building but I will tell you like our London trips were incredible one thing that really showed me that I was thinking about the way that our show runs when we're not on the air was we went to Sky Sports once and they separated us into two groups Greg and Wes were put on a little vehicle with like a bunch of softball questions about fantasy football on a nice couch

and they had like glasses of orange juice It was like a young beautiful woman that was interviewing them Yeah oh like a rising star And it was just this casual beautiful flowing conversation Then they put Dan and I onto Sky News But they put us in a freight elevator mark And sent us down To the fucking newsroom

But then the questions were like It was before the season But they were it was like the easiest question Was a 20 second like hot like a fireball about Colin Kaepernick and like Dan and I thought we're just getting some who might win the NFC East and like both of us were also being rushed because we were like the last part of the segment and so while we were answering these questions the woman off screen that anchor was looking at us being like go go go go go go so Dan and I just like left like

having lost five or six pounds due to sweat and then I remember going back up to the the main air the staging area and seeing like Greg and west laughing it up with this beautiful woman and Meanwhile, Mark and I were just getting, like, grilled on live television in London about race relations in America. And it was like, we got to get out of here. It makes me think of the conceit of the fantasy corner where everything is all great. And then Mark is on there dodging helicopters and bullets. And I'm glad that you were there with him. That's incredible.

That's a great one. Mark, you're up next. Wait, wait, wait, wait, real quick. I just want to throw out a couple of my answers to the question because one of my favorites was when West A. his softball pants. That whole situation, the lead up to it was so funny. I still don't understand how it even happened and there were zippers, right? Like somehow. You didn't eat the zippers, obviously, but tough to navigate. Right. The first Pride cast after COVID when we all got together and we all actually like did the show again in each other's presence and it was at the

bar and a helicopter landed next to us in the middle of the show and Ricky was with us that was yes my dad was there he was talking about UFOs it was the kickoff to dad summit that was one of my favorites a very random one that always comes to mind and it feels like a sleeper was the episode that you guys did at the owners meetings and you interviewed andy reed in one of the segments and i just remember it being so good and Andy played along so well so that was was great and then obviously my first show with you guys like yeah and it was like the listeners were so great and it was the first time that I wasn't called like a stupid bitch on Twitter and it was just very nice to be supported and I immediately knew that you guys were obviously great

but like the listeners were an extension almost of the podcast I love that beautiful beautiful answer yeah oh my god that is funny that that helicopter landing at the during the pride cast that was so chaotic that entire episode was just chaos um all right mark you're up all right uh we will we'll go do a little bit of a football aspect way to get it started connie that's yeah you got the warmth in the room here the virtual i guess this like actually um maybe maybe this isn't football but i'm reading it as a football scenario what take were you the most wrong on and i and this is from mattie crocker and i'd say over the course of as long as long as you've been on this show. What is the thing that you just simply got the most strikingly

incorrect? I'll go first. Tom Brady's regression in the late 2010s, the gradual decline. That turned out to be an incorrect take. And it would be probably my most high profile incorrect take. So that would be my answer. More recently, though, I wasn't alone on this, but me and a lot of other people in January were ready to hand the NFL to Joe Burrow and Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs are like, nah, bro, this is not their time. It's still my time. So those are my answers there. Sorry, Patrick. I didn't mean to offend you or talk my talk. Pimp. If you want to talk your shit, talk your shit, pimp. The Colts for me, like last season. I feel like it's still something that haunts me. I was so all in on them. I talked nonstop about the Colts. Every single

any time that I could talk about the Colts, I would talk about the Colts, and then I watched the Colts, and it was awful. Mine might have come on my last appearance on the show. We were picking spicy players, and I put a sandwich on Jalen Rager catching 40 balls. So we'll see if that is the most wrong. It probably is.

Yeah, no, in fact, let's go ahead and say that's the most wrong, even though, why not? Why not have it happen? You must fire for that for sure. I should have. I should have. You're pretty smart. I, Patrick, if that is the worst take you ever had on the show, Jalen Rager, 40 catches.

I also don't necessarily have the mental capacity to remember all the times I was wrong. So, why is that? Because I'm not very smart, colleague. No. Mark. So I got a couple quick ones. And I think that, you know, we don't need to go deep into context because they're obvious for the most part. Johnny Mansell, everything to do with Johnny Mansell, I was quite wrong about.

I had some hot takes about Shaq Barrett when he had like one big game and said that he was a flash in the pan. He went on to, like, dominate the entire season. I heard about it every week. There was a point a number of years ago when I called the Arizona Cardinals the most interesting team in the NFC. And from that point on, they went like one in five and were destroyed in the playoffs by the Rams. So incorrect. And I think everything to do with Chip Kelly, I'll end there because I was so into the concept of it, writing, you know, long articles and think pieces and believed it was going to revolutionize the NFL and he was gone like three years later. remember the smoothies it was like the first time that like he was doing individualized smoothies

everything was hurry up the defense hated him like everyone was gassed by week nine everything everything was sport science literally everything like it's like the way they open the door it's like this is revolutionizing football time of possession does not matter mark don't forget about every undrafted white running back that's ever succeeded in the preseason yeah i mean i could have made the list longer i just you know the Zach our All-Stars. We could all make the list longer. All right, I'll go next. This one is chargers-based, and I thought it was kind of interesting because, you know,

it's not something that gets a lot of talk, but it is a conversation piece that bubbles underneath, I think, on Twitter in certain corners. Colton Ketter asked the question, why are the Chargers and Herbert overhyped every year just to miss the playoffs or occasionally be first round one and duns how many times before this stops um i think my feeling on this is herbert is a stud he's a superstar we just talked about the superstars club so i'm in on herbert but i think it is fair um for people who ask well there was almost in some ways on the on the twitter verse it became a little bit of an echo chamber like you better see Justin Herbert as the legend that he is and view him instantly as this

incredible once-in-a-generation star. But then he got to look at what has he done so far. And he's entering, I think, his third year's starter, maybe fourth year. I think this is an important year for Herbert. I think because people will, when the charges falter with him behind center, will point to whether it's the head coach or the coordinator or the injuries around the team. And in a lot of cases, that's fair. but I also think if you truly are as great as you hear people that are smart about football

talk about Herbert and almost hushed tones, it's time for him to do something, put the team on his back perhaps and make a run deep into the playoffs rather than do what he's been doing, which has been a big producer statistically and his great highlight guy. Maybe this is a big year for Herbert because it is a good roster, Patrick. This is a team. and there are question marks at certain places. Head coach, for me, is one of them. I know they address play caller and have that situation maybe upgraded.

But Herbert, get up and go and show us that you really are that special guy. And all it takes is one, right, to silence the win one. Like yesterday we celebrated John Elway's birthday, right? And through the benefit of hindsight, it's like, oh, it's John Elway, but he didn't always win, right? These things happen late sometimes, and it can completely change things. We had Chargers Day yesterday on Total Access, and I'm thinking, yay, we're going to talk about the Chargers. Baldy was excoriating the Chargers. We did, like, two minutes of horrible tackling video, and it's like, they're never going to win if they can't do this.

Like, Herbert's not out there missing tackles. You know, sure, you can make the case that, yeah, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes aren't going to see the Jags score for consecutive touchdowns and come back and win that game. but also you know you need you need other guys to make plays and i think i think they'll come through but we talk about them because they're a team just like everybody else and like don't be mad we would discuss a team that's fun to watch with fun players like sometimes only one only one team gets to win so ultimately i feel like i'd be on patrick's corner on this one too because i think part of the question was more globally about why are the chargers always overhyped and that predates um justin herbert because they've kind of had outside of a

couple years a solid roster year after year like they're in the mix and right now they certainly have one of the better rosters in the afc and i'm the patrick part for me is that i can't just bake in and assume that the team's going to have terrible ghoulish luck like in critical moments year after year like is that actually something that a team creates but then the charges keep doing it so you feel like a double fool when it happens again well especially coming off the game against the jags um that was brutal but just Justin Herbert, he'll be healthier. We saw him a couple times kind of hobbling around last season after he took

some shots. I remember that one, the Thursday night game that he got put back into. But also, I'd be interested to hear what the baldy segment was with the offensive line because I thought that they would be better this year because they are also healthier. But the receiving core, I think, is deeper too because they drafted Quentin Johnston. So in theory, Justin Herbert should have a little bit more. help, and with Kellan Moore there, maybe it works even better. Make a run. Let's go. Patrick, you're up.

All right. This one comes from George O'Donnell, and I like it because it's weird, because I'm weird. Which team would be top of the NFL if offense had to play defense for a season and the defense had to play offense? Special teams can just say stay put because there's three, and I guess we couldn't do a one-for-one trade. I would incorporate some special teamers in it, though, and I'm actually, I guess I'll just take it and go first. I'll take the first. Philadelphia Eagles before Colleen does. Because I would love to see Jalen play linebacker, and as well as we could have Devante at Corner.

I don't know how much hitting he could do, but he could do it. I think it would work. And also, like, Lane and some of the guys could flip over, I think it will make perfect sense. I mean, I would love to see it, but also I would not love to see anyone get hurt doing this. But I feel like that is part of the exercise. I think, too, what about, I was thinking maybe the 49ers defense, could. play offense, especially if Kyle Shanahan is running things, because obviously he can scheme

things up. But then I was thinking about the Cowboys defense, and Michael Parsons, he played running back before, and you have Trayvon Diggs, who could easily be a wide receiver. So that would be another interesting switch, too. What if, what if, because this question kind of breaks my brain, so I don't really have a conventional answer. But I'll say this, what if, because we're basically naming just good teams right now what if there's like a really bad team or a team we don't think is going to be very good if you just flip them they became unbelievable like all the defensive players on the panthers right now would be incredible offensive talents and vice versa like maybe that's my answer the carolina panthers i think that's titans that's where mine went too was like

maybe a team has done such a poor job of self-scouting that they've actually just need to flip the line of scrimmage and off they go. But my first instinct was with Colleen. I thought like if you have to trust your coaching staff to do something that no coaching staff's ever done, like I'll roll the dice. And this sounds like a trope for me because I'm always talking about Kyle Shanean. But like he could take a defensive lineman and probably get him to complete 15 passes a game.

Until the fourth quarter in a big spot. That's very fair. Colleen. No, I'm also kind of thinking about the Browns a little bit because like we watch enough Miles Garrett basketball highlights, and you're like, okay, like, this is, this is silly. So have Miles a tight end and Nick Chub could play whatever he wants. Patrick, Nick Chub as like an in-the-box safety? I was literally Googling like Miles Garrett and I was trying to see if he played other

positions at any point in his career, like in high school or even like great school, like going back because, yes, I could see it too. Something to think about. The Superstar Club, just one deep right now with Kelsey, Miles Garrett as a field stretching tight end. I kind of like that. I like that. Colleen, you're up.

Oh, right. Mailbag, remember? Hey. Okay, this one comes from Christopher W. And he says that he used to love spending a boring workday tweeting random songs back and forth with Wes. So how about we, he said, how about me a random song you like? So send me, I think, or tweet me a random song you like. Nothing too heavy, not a favorite, just a good song.

And I've been in this like, I've been non-stop listening to music from like the moment I get up to the moment I go to bed. Like I'm sure John hates it, but like he will wake up and there will immediately be tunes on in the house. And I've been going through a little bit of like a dancey phase. So I would like to throw out there high love by Dim Sum. I think Sessler would really love it too. So check that out. Also come to me by Lily and Madeline. and Offenbach, that's another good one.

Good summer. Good summer tunes. Feel good. They're upbeat. They're good to drive to. And night drive by John Splithoff. I got three. Got three for the first one. Mark, good ones. Let's make a playlist, by the way, off this. I like this.

Well, I don't know if you need to put mine on the playlist. But like, I was thinking of stuff that Wes and I used to listen to. We're kind of like, I'm not sure anyone else likes this, like amongst our group. But like, we would. go to like the cozy inn and play like van morrison's entire astral week's album probably to the annoyance of some people there but it was actually very much that that vibe but the second west song that came into my head and i don't know where this came from like um bend me shape me that old uh like 50s 60s hit because that's what west and i would you know say to you guys and sing to each other

whenever they'd someone would some lughead would drop in the studio and be like now you've got to do five extra videos that we didn't tell you about and like we're just like we thought we were getting out of here and just like bend me shape me what you know we're just a part of the corporation we'll do whatever you say we shape me forgot about that good ones uh eric iric behind the glass let's let's make sure we're taking these down so we can build out the spotify playlist patrick um the the thing that popped in my head was chicago 25 or six to four um you know it's it always pops up on random and i enjoy it every time um evanescence bring me to life you know Flash back to the Napster days.

Why not? And then, oh my gosh. What could I do? This playlist is going to be all over the place. That is wild. Move b***. By ludicrous. Yeah, there we go.

Why not? Good ass songs. And good question, Christopher, right now, because I just took the boys to see the new Spider-Man movie, which is all right. Love the first one. Just all right. Second one.

Curious what you think, Pat, on that one. Am I Dreaming by Metro Booman, Aesop Rocky, and Roissy? That's a great song. I've been playing that a lot. Song I loved last year, Western Wind by Carly Ray Jepson. A random-ass U-U-2 song, Dirty Day off Zuropa, 1993. And then the last song, Wes and I, vibe, too. Texas Sun by Leon Bridges.

Oh, so good. Such a West song, texted him as soon as I heard it, and he was like, yep. and listen to that one constantly. Those are my entries. And Eric, behind the glass, go ahead, add one of your own as well. That would be great. On the spot. All right.

Who's up? Who goes second? I believe I am. All right. Kyle Overholzer asked this. Hey, ATN crew, long time fan. First question and first tweet. I am active duty, military.

stationed in Alaska, and I miss being close to the NFL. My fun question is, if there was an Alaskan NFL team, what do you think the mascot would be? I guess what would say, what would you call the team? This one felt easy to me. What did you have? Very. I had the, I don't, I was sitting out on my porch when I came up with this, and there

was a lot of wild vehicles, but the Alaska hell elves. Just like something a little new. The hell elves. Wouldn't the Browns maybe get litigious about that? Because they get that stupid elf thing. They have like eight mascots. They just rebranded the dog. Brownie,

the elf. Yeah, well. The hell elves. Aren't those demons? Like what role do the hell elves serve in the hierarchy? I think it's sort of a mythical being of some sort. Typically,

you do a lot with it. The mascot, not always. Hello, L.A. Lakers. The mascot or team name is connected to the region in some way. Are there, is there an elves? Like a demonic elves population somewhere in Alaska? I didn't, I don't know. I can't give you a firm answer on that,

but I think it's just part of the, you're creating a new world sort of. Yeah, I was thinking because I thought it was a great name and it disappeared from a team move and oil mass production of oil and Alaska, maybe still. I don't know. Seward's Icebox,

learn that back in 90. The oilers, the Alaska Oilers. Bring it back. let's go let's fly if it wasn't good enough for houston i think it could be good enough uh for the alaska franchise the edmonton or oilers of the n hl could have an issue with that but that we don't care about the nachel doesn't exist in my world i feel like i have the perfect answer go ahead it's the alaskan arctic wolves and yeah okay i'm biased because the wolves but

Arctic wolves are incredible. They can fast up to four to five months at a time. They survive sub-zero temperatures with no clothes and they can't dig dens in the ice and they can eat up to 20 pounds of meat in one sitting. So I rest my case. I would only sign off on that if you were the logo. If you were somehow a part of the logo itself. Yeah.

Okay. I'm thinking either like a singular verb. Like the frost or the allusions, right? And the logo could be the islands or whatever, but maybe the frost. Ooh, the Alaskan frost. I like that. This next question is from Thomas Denelian. Hope I got that right, Tom, Tommy Boy.

You've done making the leap, but what player or coach do you see going the opposite way, a regression candidate, if you will. What would that be anyway? So we have making the leap. That's kind of our IP. Would that be faking the leap? But no, you're moving back. Are you making the creep?

I think you're like half baking the leap. Like a 1960s like dance move, but you're going backwards? Mistaking the leap? Like we thought they were going to leap, but they didn't. But this is somebody that, I guess, was oh no it's somebody that you think's going to do it and then doesn't okay anyway like a fall like a fall from wherever all right well let me throw out a couple guys um because i kind of saw it as somebody that had established a level of production and now it's going to go in reverse this is

the second show in a row where i wish greg was here because gino smith i'm nominating uh he he kind of tailed off a little bit at the end of last season. And now with more expectation and a bigger paycheck and, you know, in Seattle, will Gino be as good as he was last year? Probably. But he could be faking the leap also last year. Throw that out there. What do you guys think? I'd agree with that. I think there's a case to be made. He's got a really good roster around him. I think that some of the good stuff we stole from Gino Smith were legitimately who he is as a player. So I wouldn't predict um doom i'll give you mine real quick because mine's a coach i kind of i did see that tweet and i just saw the word coach but um it i think he's a good coach but kevin o'connell

the team goes 13 and 4 they won like nine games in the last couple minutes like it's this thing that's never going to happen again um to the minnesota vikings they've spent the off season like essentially just trying to reach their cap they've cut a bunch of people the defense was already the worst in the league last year um i don't know i don't see them winning 13 games I could see them winning nine and then suddenly it's like it's Kevin O'Connell. Is he under a lot of pressure, hot seat scenario? Is it, is it fair to say with the Vikings though that most of most of us and even probably a lot of Vikings fans saw through it a little bit that nobody ever really viewed that team

as a powerhouse and now with these the cost cutting measures that there's a general understanding that they're not going to be as good and maybe that is good news for O'Connell in terms of expectations coming off last year? could work for him. Maybe. But I see what you're saying. If everyone remains level-headed, because if things turn ugly, no one's going to want to factor that. You're right.

I mean, I think if you want to take it to court, you'd have to bring all that stuff up. But we're talking about football fans. We're talking about talking heads. You know, things get ugly quick. Anybody else want to throw a name out there? I mean, I immediately, my mind went to the Vikings. You could have multiple people just because of their point differential last year, how close all of those wins were.

I'm also just wondering right now in the moment about Jared Gough, would he be potentially someone who could regress with some of the changes that the offense has made in the offseason and the guys that they've drafted is their philosophy changing? Yeah, that's what I was going to say, like, because making the leap so much of it is perception. And like the player could still be the same player, but circumstances could turn out a little bit different. And then it's like, oh, well, well, they're bad now. But it's hard to have success. I don't think we could wipe away what Gerigoff did, but if we also can't expect him to throw 60 touchdowns. It's just at a certain point, you know,

like Kevin O'Connell can't apologize for those wins, and I think six years from now, those are still going to be wins. But if we could properly contextualize them as we should, it's like, well, they got undressed in a playoff game at home by a team that wasn't very good. I'll throw one more out there, Josh Jacobs, and that's part of the reason why he wasn't put in the Superstar Club for me.

coming off a 400-touch season on a Raiders team that's, I don't know, I think they'll have worse quarterback play in, you know, a very competitive division, you know, there is a track record of the bill come and do when a player gets that level of workload, how he, how he is the next season, fantasy heads, I would think, should be a little bit wary as well. Patrick, I don't know, what is the general vibe in the fantasy realm about Josh Jacobs? Is it all systems go that he's going to be the same guy or like,

what's the vibe? I think people want to see something from the radio. They want to see, like, what's Jimmy going to be like, what's this offense going to be like, you know, how's Josh going to hold up? I'm not thinking everybody's going to fly out there and have this reclamation, like the people who are acknowledging their mistake with McCaffrey last year. It's like you take the good players that are going to be in good situations. We just don't know what Josh's situation is right now. All right. Let's go try to be a little quicker.

Connie, you're up. All right. I kind of want to put a sandwich on Josh Jacobs with you, Dan, but we'll do that. Save that for September. Okay, perfect. All right. We'll both forget. It's fine. You know we will. There's no question. All right.

The last question is, okay, this is from Daniel Hall. And he said, which division is most likely to be the 2022 AFC West? So high expectations coming in and then ends up being mostly paper tigers. And then which division is most likely to be the 2022 NFC East? Low expectations coming in ends up being deep and formidable. This question, Dan, as you mentioned, earlier breaking brains this one broke my brain a bit but i kept going back and forth with is the afc south going to be better than people think with what they have done obviously the jags i i think

that they will win the division again and now they have calvin ridley um and you get more consistency and growth from trevor lawrence and then with the colts i don't know i mean maybe Shane Steichen can work some magic with Anthony Richardson and his past with mobile quarterbacks and developing them in offenses. Plus, you have the Texans who drafted a ton of talent and brought in, I really like the Dalton Schultz edition, Damien Pierce, he's a star there. And Domeco could actually turn around the defense with, they have some good, good players there drafted Will Anderson, Derek Stingley Jr., so they have good pieces.

I'm just wondering, like, the Titans, I think they're going to struggle. And I don't know when we'll see Will Levis. But I just, I think that they might be better than we think. That's interesting, the AFC South. Two rookie quarterbacks, it's a lot of variance there. Could be three different new quarterbacks, yeah. Yeah, three different quarterbacks. I'll nominate the NFC North, actually, as could be better.

The Vikings, I think everyone is universally saying they're going to come way down to Earth. But they still have a core of players, Justin Jefferson's on that team still. Kirk Cousins, I know opinions vary, but I don't think that offense is going to create her. I think Madison will keep the running game moving, and then Brian Flores is running the defense. So that could maybe help some things, even though he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with. The Lions, I think we all feel like there is a positive outcome there, potentially, as a double-digit win team. The Packers, same thing. If Jordan Love plays well, he has some players around him and a winning pedigree.

for that organization and then the bears like justin fields potential making the leap guy the roster's way better um that could go a couple different directions but they could certainly be much more competitive i think the other side of it mark is the kind of an easy one for me i think everyone is looking at the afc east and saying oh yeah like everyone's hyping up like whenever you're a division that's being hyped up includes the jets and dolphins as two teams people are assuming are going to be good like it's probably not going to happen not both those teams are going to be big time teams and maybe neither are but you have jets dolphins bills pads um everyone says it's the best division but these things don't tend to work out that way well i think because

we're talking about like last year's a fc west where it was like can can four teams make the playoffs two of them were absolute disasters the problem is you're playing each other um the jet's schedule is so brutal you're asking the jets also as an organization to do something they've never really done the dolphins are new at this also right now um i trust the dolphins a little bit more the bills come down earth a little bit the patriots to me are sort of middle of the road i could see a team winning the division with nine wins if they all like in a dog fight eat each other up yeah there was there was so much player movement and so much like high profile player movement last year and so much hype for the entire division that i don't think

i think it's going to be a few years where we see that much hype for division anymore i think everybody's kind of taken their medicine and so like that was that feels like a a perfect storm but I'm with you on the east, Dan. It could go either way. Okay. Who's up next? I'll take the most predictable one ever. Yeah, this comes courtesy of Johnny Ridd.

When will Patrick admit that his take that momentum doesn't exist is complete garbage? The easy answer to Johnny is never. I feel like, honestly, we could come to a stasis here and acknowledge. right that for some people maybe positive things does beget more positive things but but it's it's always been my contention that we don't know that we don't know what players are going through we don't know how they feel about themselves some of the greatest punt returners of all time you know you ask them what they're doing when the ball's coming they're like I'm scared to death I don't want to get hit and they ultimately end up scoring touchdowns it's like

people are individuals people are different and we don't necessarily have all the data so I just think no matter how good you are no matter how positive you're thinking you're thinking if you're lined up across from Devante Adams, like the power of positive thought and going to keep you from him busting your ass. And so like that's just my belief. But maybe we could find a happy, happy medium. I'm sorry to anybody's personal belief system that I've offended. But these guys are professionals and positive thought. And Patrick, you've also, you brand it. You're, this is part of your Patrick experience. Like you, even if, even in a private moment, if you come to a different fork in the road here and realize that you don't even

agree with your own take, you just can never, you got a part of the brand. surrender yeah no but the brand would if somebody comes out and defines what it is and like shows me how it works then clearly that's true for momentum astrology um you know holistic health practices like just show me and i'm there but i know that the air goes under the ring faster than it goes over the wing and that generates lift i can't build an airplane but i can conceptually see how it works and so i'm okay with getting on one but when you tell me that like this energy that binds the galaxy together is moving things and then this team wins because god likes them more or something i don't know i'm just i just need to see some god whatever power of positive vibrations

come on in patrick it's great over here the water's so nice try it out thank you erin i totally believe in momentum colin is i feel like i'm 50 to 80% i can guarantee you uh when you know i can't i can't get i yeah this one we don't have enough time we don't have enough time to really do this. But I will say that the Jalen Rager answer from earlier felt like a placeholder for you to formally apologize to people about momentum. But you're not doing it, and I respect you're digging in the heels.

Show me what it is. Like somebody explain it to me so that I can understand, see student, you know, just a bachelor's. Some things are just abstract. Perfect. Up next is, I lost like the order. What were we doing is Connie? No one really knows.

I think it's Colleen now. Okay. No, no. Colleen's all out. She's empty the clue. I'm done. Oh. Mark, did you, Mark, throw one out there.

Okay, hold on. Let me just scroll down. Mark already out of all of his applications. Look, we've lost momentum for the segment because I didn't have it in order. It's a thing. How about this one? There is always a team that goes from worst to first. Who does everyone think it will be this year?

The Jets came to mind. The Falcons came to mind for me. Let's see. Let me give the options, okay? Jets, Browns, Texans, Broncos, commanders, bears, falcons, cardinals.

Taking my fan leaning out of it, I'll stay out of the AFC East, and I will say the Chicago Bears. Got me, sniped. That's all good. That's momentum revenge. Yeah, that's true. I'll be incapable of getting you from here on out.

Anybody else want to throw it out there? Bears or Falcons, maybe? I could see it. Mark can't say it, but he thinks the Browns, and I think that's a good answer also. I don't think so. I could see them coming in second, but I don't think they've got the DNA to win the division.

If you could see them coming in second, how could you not see any scenario where they come in first? What if they come in second by three games? You know what? I'll say the Jets because Dan feels like he, can't say it so i'll say the yeah i just think you know that the jets are a tough ask because i think the bills will remain a you know a titan unless they come down and then it does get really interesting there we go i do mark i like mark's take that the nine wins wins the a fc east would be wild

that would be chaos for that division interesting bills fans don't want to hear that um all right i'll throw out one more let's see what do i want to go with let's see well let's see let's see let's see um oh yeah I wanted to touch on this I thought this was interesting this is talking about a little how do you make the game better how do you help these officials you know here's the question why do you think and the question is from faux real so foe so real why do you think the NFL is fighting rule changes that could help the league like Sky Judge or making every play and every penalty reviewable. I think it's mostly rooted guys in pace of play.

And I was just, I was thinking about this. NBA games are about two and a half hours typically. Major League Baseball, shout out Domingo Hermon, by the way, perfect game. Wow. What a game. Yeah. Radically reinvented elements of their gameplay this season, MLB, and shaved like 30 minutes off game time.

So they're coming at a 235 now. for a game. The average NFL game was three hours and 12 minutes last season. That's kind of been creeping upward through the years. And there's a 12 minute halftime. That's not going to change. There are around, I look this up. There are around 15 to 25 commercials per quarter. That adds up to about 100 commercials per game. And I'm going to tell you something as somebody works for the NFL. But that's not changing either. Commercials will remain very prominent in a telecast of a game. But I think the NFL might be able. a little spooked with how the viewing habits of youth culture are, adding elements that will

slow down the game to stop and check every play is something they don't want to do. And I wouldn't want them to do either. But maybe there's a, there's a median here, Patrick, where you can add something like Sky Judge without it being something that grinds the momentum of the game to a halt. Yeah, I think the momentum of the decision makers is a reluctance to change. We see that in so many aspects. We saw it when pass interference was reviewable and they kind of hamstrung the process. They didn't necessarily want to actually commit to it. Because there's ways we could speed up the process, right? We don't need necessarily the dog and pony show of having the official go out to a thing, look into the hood and walk it back out. Somebody could just look

at it and say, that pass was incomplete. It shouldn't take 45 seconds because these things are called in real time. So they should be able to be reviewed in real time. But they seem to be reluctant to take that process away because they want to show it to people for some reason i don't i don't need to see it show me the replay say it was incomplete that's it i think that's where they could do it all right mark uh give me one more all right here we go i gave you all mine to be honest no how about this lee west one good though this is a lee west banger i've given you everything i can give you it's on the screen staring at you lee west If you broke your leg and had to spend a couple of months bed bound, what would you do while you're in your bed?

EG, board games, TV gaming, TV gaming or anything else. And first thing you would do when you could walk again. Okay. My bad, I do realize that I attacked it in my worksheet here. So apologies for slowing down the show. I think what I would do is like at the first, at the start of that experience, when I just realized I'm going to be in this bed for like two months. like I'm going to do something really like life changing like write a book or do you know create something that I finally had that space what I would wind up doing is probably like a bunch of

edibles and playing like old Nintendo games that I couldn't beat as a kid and beat them as an adult 420 bro we're a journey for you we are on we're on this we're on a similar path I gave this some thought and I was like I would finish infinite jest by David Foster Wallace I would learn how to play the acoustic guitar. But in reality, I would probably just, like, gain, like, 200 pounds and play a load of MLB, the show, 23 on my son's Nintendo Switch. I prepared for the show by writing my notes down on actual note cards for some reason today. And on my list here, the number one thing is write a script.

The number two is guitar. And I was also wondering, like, how much mobility do I have? Would the guitar be a thing that I could do if I was bed bound? I think so. I think it's a broken leg, right? Is that the injury? Yeah. Right.

So you could like prop it up on like a, you know, a pillow or whatever. Your husband too? Yeah, prop it off on John. That's all. I would take some online classes. I would learn how to do finances since I have no idea how to do anything with finances. I would invest. And I would take a stand-up class, which is ironic.

I would contact. I remember a couple years ago when Will Fuller had that great start and then he popped positive for a PED and he kind of haven't seen him since. I would get in touch with Will Fuller and take whatever he was taking to get out of that bed as soon as possible. It would be like a training montage. I don't know like the gripping exercises. I just I have I've always had problems sitting still. You guys know that working with me. So it would be a real struggle. I'd have to get out of there. And then play with my kids, of course, would be the first thing I did. I don't know if you'll be able to find Will Fuller. That man, that man's gone.

He gone. Whatever he was taking, give it to me. Whatever. Good stuff. Closing up the mailbag. I told you, they really stepped up this time.

Yeah. So many questions. And a lot of really good ones. I think one thing, a clerical note for us, because sometimes we've decided to do a mailbag, like, day of show. And so it's just,

just sitting out there for, you know, 98 minutes, but we gave them a full, um, earth cycle, a full day plus to come up with stuff. And I think it reached other parts of the world. And, uh, the results are better. Mm, I've given them more runway in the past than they've done. I'm trying to give them. Wow. Yeah. I'm just saying this, let's focus on the positive that they, they succeeded here. Okay. And we hope we gave answers that were entertaining to the point where the podcast hasn't been shut off by now. Thank you to, uh, Patrick, you've said it all, you know, good luck in that studio, wherever you are. And like the Russell Wilson full-sized or like gigantic-sized photo tells us to strive for every day in that office.

Have some serious integrity over there, bro. I will. And you'll get that picture here in two minutes. All right. We'll be back on Monday. We're doing a Monday show, me and Gregie. Um, so, uh, please tune in for that. Uh, thank you for listening. Uh, enjoy, uh, your holiday, you know, I don't care. Like, if you're drinking Bud Light, if you're drinking eight, if you're drinking, uh, water, uh, be safe as you do it. Enjoy the holiday with your family here in the States and, uh, and friends. And we'll see on the other side of the weekend. Well, July 4th on Tuesday, so that was premature. But anyway, who cares? Until.

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